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The Future of Music Distribution - http://futuremusic.tumblr.com/post...
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Mark Earls "Herdmeister" at MidemNet 2009 - http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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Musicians are Businesses - Government and Small Business Development in Louisiana - http://blog.artistshousemusic.org/post...
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Teens Prefer Music To Sex And Have No Intention Of Paying For It - http://www.hypebot.com/hypebot...
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Conversation With Hype Machine's Anthony Volodkin - http://www.hypebot.com/hypebot...
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HP keeping up on their social media “Buzz” powered by spy.appspot.com! - buildcontext - http://www.buildcontext.com/blog...
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I just received word from Pam Dearen at HP of internal Digital Marketing Community portal's launch - "HP Buzz" powered by spy.appspot.com!
- Ben Hedrington
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Your Taste in Music Can Reveal How Smart (or Dumb) You Are - http://www.labnol.org/interne...
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Trent Reznor and Nine Inch Nails say goodbye, for now - http://www.nin.com/?%3F
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User data ownership on Facebook and why it doesn’t matter - http://scobleizer.com/2009...
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I'm glad to see Robert back to long-form, insightful blog posts, rather than getting distracted by twitter and friend feed.
- Steven (optionshiftk)
You do realise that they extend their license to stuff you link to right? They can subicence as steve points out to their hearts content and you lose the value of your own content. I agree with your blogs sarcastic point about serving facebook. I made a similar one myself.
- Anton Mannering
from twhirl
I took a different angle on this too. I'm less worried about the things I know, and more worried about what we do not know. In essence we transfer all control to Facebook, but they are not transparent about what they actually do with our data. We don't know if we are signing up for the next best thing or selling our soul to the devil. Mark is answering the wrong question and we fell for it again: http://bit.ly/19GmYF
- Alexander van Elsas
BTW here is an excellent writeup of Amanda French comparing TOSes of different sites like Facebook, Myspace, Flickr, Youtube. Moral of the story? The uproar is justified: http://bit.ly/tJJBK
- Alexander van Elsas
As a person who builds very consumer facing products and features I believe it DOES matter. With power (175 millions users) comes responsibility. FB has an obligation to transparency regardless of whether there service is free, and it's TOU is one piece of that transparency. If you claim one thing and do another, or you claim one thing and then claim another thing because your business is changing, that matters...
- Ryan
Who uses FB to publish original works? Promotion yea. But don't people who have something to protect get their ©, ®, ™ before putting it out there and then just link to it from the various mediums?
- Ryan Stanley
Just read Alexander van Elsas post. We should be discussing this on his FF feed. Great post and insightful analysis. Glad to see someone actually read and posted the TOU.
- Ryan
@Ryan, @Jason, thanks guys! You're welcome to discuss it on my FF feed, it's here: http://friendfeed.com/e... , but here is fine too ;-)
- Alexander van Elsas
Robert and Alexander, I have to agree with Robert. As I mentioned to you, Alexander, if you go to any institution implementing a GLS or CMS, you pretty much have to play by their rules and (having learned by painful experience) your data is not necessarily treated as if you are an esteemed author who could sue THEM for plagiarism. ;) That's as Robert says, reality. So I agree with his response.
- Melanie Reed
In the early days, I treated my portfolio as a catchall for everything. I went with the bait. But having learned who really has the most "rights" to it and then with their upgrade, having seen all my legacy RSS link and bookmarks destroyed I was forced into the realm of Robert's reality. Facebook, Flickr, etc are going to do what they are going to do. Now, I can adopt a strategy that serves my needs out of that....or not. I'm learning as I go.
- Melanie Reed
@melanie the most important issue is the lack of transparency. We are forced to give up everything while they do not. It is not an equal balance. Saying that that is just the way it is is accepting a bad practice that could easily be replaced by a good one.
- Alexander van Elsas
@Alexander I agree that lack of transparency is the important issue. Now whether I like it or not I have to try to understand the other party here. I can see (but not like) the effectiveness of the ad targeting FB uses. How pivotal is that to FB's revenue? Seriously, would any of us say 'yes' willingly to allowing ANY of our demographic information to be used by Ad customers?
- Melanie Reed
@Ryan, Your copyright is still valid and is not changed by Facebook's TOS. It you read their TOS carefully, you will find that by posting or sharing your content on FB, you are granting them an unlimited license to do whatever they want with your content. You still own the copyright, but it's value might be greatly lessened by allowing FB unimited usage rights.
- Jeff P. Henderson
What if I'm a unsigned and indie band that uses Facebook to promote our music in a group or fan page. Does the TOS give FB the right to "use, copy, publish, stream, store, retain, publicly perform or display, transmit, scan, reformat, modify, edit, frame, translate, excerpt, adapt, create derivative works and distribute" those works for commercial purpose?
- Matt Albiniak
@Alexander This brings up how business on the Internet is done. How do we want that done? How do we want businesses to conduct their research on target audiences? What should they know before hand in order to market to us? How do you want them to do that? I'm not fighting for their "rights" so much as I am asking that the methodology of what is acceptable marketing practice (that will be effective) is defined. BTW- I have a stake in this as our org has copyrighted material up on FB, too.
- Melanie Reed
@Matt, Based on my interpretation of the TOS, I would say probably yes.
- Jeff P. Henderson
@melanie my simple answer would be to choose a business model that monetizes user value. It would force you to do the right thing, always. Check out smugmug as a very positive example. They do not just have paying customers, they have paying fans!
- Alexander van Elsas
@Alexander If I understand you, that would indeed cause a problem that many are trying to avoid: disenfranchisement in the digital world. Not everyone is capable of paying. So as I understand it, thus the two-tiered system as Flickr does with their pro accounts and the free. So how do we address that?
- Melanie Reed
"Zuckerberg is saying: "We're not evil. Just trust us!" But this has been the mantra of nearly all companies that handle personal information. What company would say: "Yes, we intend to use your data maliciously and in ways you'll abhor"? There are many problems with Facebook's policy of 'trust us'" http://www.concurringopinions.com/archive... Solove, as always, gives an excellent analysis of the pitfalls.
- LogEx
@melanie, you do not have choose a model in which every user has to pay to receive value (although that is the cleanest model there is). freemium is definitely a great model too. Provide a service for free and extra's as a premium. Either way. A user centric model will ensure you give more value to the user than to anything else.
- Alexander van Elsas
@logical extremes, I recall banks and insurance comapnies saying the same things and look where that got us ;-)
- Alexander van Elsas
@Alexander, exactly. Facebook should either drop the pretense, or adjust the TOU to describe exactly what they intend.
- LogEx
Matt, Melanie, etc...I'd definitely suggest you take 5 or 10 minutes, and go read the earlier mentioned comparison by Amanda French http://bit.ly/tJJBK . The differences between what MySpace, for example, asserts as a right over your data, and what Facebook does, are both real and relevant to any creative type. Amanda has ferreted out the relevant sections of the license terms for multiple sites, and compares and contrasts well.
- Ken Kennedy
Scoble's missed the boat, same as Chris Brogan. Facebook (and LinkedIn) has Terms that are NOT the same as everyone else's, and which, unlike MySpace, Flickr, YouTube, Picasa and Twitter, do NOT permit you to revoke their license to use your content. I dove into the legal issues here: http://is.gd/jJXy
- Maxwell Kennerly
Article on the new Facebook TOS changes and protecting yourself http://tinyurl.com/d4oeps
- Chris Miller
from twhirl
@Ken, thank you for replying and @Alexander, thank you as well! Ken, I did read Amanda's post. And, with respect to you and others, I still agree with both Robert and Matt. And in regard to MySpace, they are the ones who allowed access to everyone's private data to the search engine Spock. That's why I don't use MySpace or Spock among other reasons.
- Melanie Reed
the point is if you upload it to facebook and decide later you want it deleted, and it's not deleted then....well it's nice to want things. I don't think this justifies the uproar, only that people should (have already been) thinking twice about what they put on those sites. It may, and probably won't, ever really go away once it's out there.
- Richard Lawler
Really good side by side comparison here- http://amandafrench.net/2009...
- Ryan
@Melanie ... no worries! As long as you've got the data, you're more than entitled to make your own decision. If I were you, I'd keep stuff I want to monetize off of FB, though...you really have no control once you've uploaded it there. It's a walled garden that FB can cash in on as they will. (note: I expect this will get restated before too long...this is too big a grab even for FB, but as of now, that's how it works out).
- Ken Kennedy
@Ken, Interesting that you said that just now as there was a Facebook Ad, (company unknown as I didn't clickthru-that's one less cpv they'll have to pay for) that popped up on my right in Profile view that claimed "Monetize User Content" -"Grab content off your site from users and put it on T-shirts." roflol. This does provide some humorous aspect to me especially when you consider, I could get our ministry content out to a greater territory. ;)
- Melanie Reed
GOLDEN Rule: Don't put anything on any site/form/webpage that you may change your mind about. Once it's out there it will never disappear. imho
- walterh
@walterh, I hear what you're saying, and I definitely grok the spew of 'information wants to be free' (FTW!), but that's not really what's critical here. This is "boring" legal stuff...regardless of whether or not the data is available in some cache somewhere (which it is), this is FB asserting the right to use whatever you upload for it's own commercial purposes, forever. That's a whole different issue that "it never gets deleted anyway".
- Ken Kennedy
@ken I am not really trying to argue your points. I was trying to say that all forms like FB will at sometime try to sell your info when they reach a critical mass. A perfect example of this is the phone scam going on right now were people call you telling you that your car warranty will end soon. These people are calling me on my cell phone. I only give my cell to trusted contacts as it is the only real way to get a hold of me in real time. That so-called trusted contact or service has sold my info.
- walterh
@ken .....if you don't put personal info out on FB then when this happens you will not be regretting what you have done or posted.
- walterh
@walterh Just FYI, the car warranty thing isn't a sold data issue...it's just a "brute force" attack on phone #s (ie, they call them all). It's gotten so cheap to make phone calls, even LD, that much like email spam, the minuscule response rate they get pays for it. As for personal data on FB, again, I understand that, but it's not really what we're talking about. Consider a band that wants to share their music, but not intending to let FB monetize it if they get popular. They're out of luck.
- Ken Kennedy
So the expiry clause was in there when I signed up (i.e. if I leave they lose their rights over my content). If they have now changed the terms but I've not agreed to the new terms, then I'm not bound by them, right? Or did I miss a "we can change the terms whenever we feel like it and you're still bound to them" clause?
- Yan
@ken I understand your point. Let me ask you this. Has a case like this gone to court yet. PS the warranty people have never called me at home. Had that number for 20 years. Every other sale company calls me at home. I do see your point that it could be "brute force"
- walterh
The blog post has merit, the headline, not so much.
- jcunwired
I basically agree with Robert that this isn't shocking since Facebook hasn't respected user's much; however, I do think ascerting ownership to data already in the system crosses the line. This is similar to the Google Reader shared feed issue that Steve Gillmor railed on for a while.
- Robert W. Anderson
yeah, he reels em in with the hyperbole
- Josh Haley
hyperbole Josh? yeah that Bill of Rights crap is overrated. BTW Google fixed that problem.
- Steve Gillmor
Beyond the argument over who owns what and who's creating value for whom is a more interesting question, I think. Most people will not give a second thought to their rights to the intellectual property they create on Facebook. They just use it. They upload photos and videos and talk to each other. It strikes me that one thing Facebook is remarkably good at is capturing a user's...
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- David Erickson
hmmmm ... fascinating and important points being made here. However we are at the core talking about the morality and selflessness of corporations. The only way to own your own data completely is keep on your hard drive. Look at the terabytes of data Magnolia unfortunately lost last week. Their intentions were entirely altruistic, yet a technical malfunction intervened. We are in the midst of a radical shift and "ownership" is going to be defined by security, trust, and new elements ...
- Bankwatch
... that have yet to be defined. Do you trust Google? Do you trust your bank? Do you trust gmail Apps Premium? These are fundamental questions and the answer will define internet and our future. Market forces will take care of it, but getting there might be ugly.
- Bankwatch
It is a cheap and risk free business model for the service provider: The user generates all the content, is responsible for all legal consequences (even when the provider reuses the content in an unanticipated way), but the service provider may make all the profit out of it. whereever, forever. This business model was once called Web 2.0...
- Arnd Gronenberg
you're right. facebook should be used as a hub, flickr gives you CC options, it's not hard to set up a wordpress blog for the same, i think youtube are the last in the list. there's plenty of apps on facebook that will update your profile when you upload photos to flickr, or make a new blog post. they're not perfect but they're getting better.
- Terry O'Fee
They changed their mind: http://blog.facebook.com/
- Liron Eizenman
Most people wun care too much. But yes i agree it's creepy.
- Alekkus
Well, then there's the 25 Things you didn't know about in the Facebook TOS: http://bit.ly/25thingsTOS
- Steve Woodruff
To me it clear from Mark Z's post that the lawyers were tasked with drafting a revised TOU and blew it. ROLLBACK!
- Ryan
doesn't say much for their lawyers on the writing and the way the TOS was handled...
- Stuart Evans
from twhirl
This is the new age of transparency. The big CEOs will have publicly available pictures of them from college. Professional images will become humanized. Social media has allowed us to share everything about our lives and so we did. I thought Mark made a great point in his first post regarding the issue when he explained that in order to give the community the services that they want, certain legalities are necessary and must be represented in the TOS. We just have to get used to the new age.
- David Spinks
@David, if Facebook, and Mark Zuckerberg too for that matter, are just as transparent as they force you to be then it would be fine. Until that moment it is pretty ridiculous that privacy only works one way. You must disclose everything and they take it all without providing the slightest clue what they actually do with it
- Alexander van Elsas
I wish someone would analyze TOS that bank credit cards, mortgages impose. The funny thing is that while Facebook is having to backtrack - it probably never would have screwed us over - but banks that increase rates from 3.9% to 39% over night - regularly do.
- Anshu Sharma
Good post, Robert. It's always been clear that Facebook has put their own interest in content assets first, but in fairness it's not so different that way than say...Friendfeed. One does pay a certain price for posting in Facebook, but to reach those who are more interested in relationships than in marketing their content, it's a good price oftentimes. I do think that over the next year that more publisher-friendly terms will come to Facebook, they've been lazy and now they'll have to catch up.
- John Blossom
Indie Band Pays Fans To Download Album - http://www.hypebot.com/hypebot...
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Mark Zuckerberg is answering the wrong question, and we fell for it again - http://vanelsas.wordpress.com/2009...
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"I might not even mind that Facebook monetizes my user data, my friends, and my interactions. But right now, I don’t know how Facebook uses that data.We might think that our online lives are not connected to our real lives. We might even think that privacy is dead. But the problem is not that privacy is dead, but that it is distributed unevenly. In other words, the user is forced into...
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- ivanandersson
So many good discussions taking place across different media that it is hard to follow it all ;-)
- Alexander van Elsas
Hutch comments " Alexander - I’m less worried about Facebook’s intentions and actions. The fact that they are so public, and that user trust is so critical to their growth and engagement, is an important moral lever there. Facebook is huge, across the world. They are scrutinized continuously. They want to go public one day. These factors are why I’m less concerned about their policies....
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- Alexander van Elsas
My response: @Hutch there are many companies that are follwed critically by the public but this recent financial and now economic crisis has shown that this is no guarantee to do the right thing. I wonder why Facebook needs such a far-stretching TOS. Mark’s response talking about users sharing stuff doesn’t provide any insight in why this is needed. Read this post by Amanda French who...
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- Alexander van Elsas
Good comment by Jack Wilson: "Alexander,I think you are spot on for pointing this out. This is something that each of us as social media devotees should be asking the people that provide our social media experience. There is a struggle between copyright and freedom of information, but that does not diminish the responsibility of the companies to explain to us exactly how they are using...
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- Alexander van Elsas
Indies Win 50% Of This Year's Grammy Awards - http://www.hypebot.com/hypebot...
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Indie artists and labels won 56 of the 110 awards given or just over 50% of the total prizes at 2009 Grammy's.
- Matt Albiniak
6 Predictions For The Live Nation Ticketmaster Merger - http://www.hypebot.com/hypebot...
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LiveNation/TixMstr Merge: Will be approved, raise tix price, about customer dbase, majors increase digital download presence. (read more)
- Matt Albiniak
Hacking Twitter (Wired.com) - http://blog.wired.com/busines...
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Just amazing what can be done with 140 characters.
- David Bisset (sn)
With my luck my washing machine would get more followers than me.
- Keith Beucler
me too Keith :-/
- David Wynn
cool. i want my xbox 360 to tweet
- David
@David - http://duncanmackenzie.net/blog...
- Andrew Terry
I would like to tie in a GPS tracker w/ twitter - many uses right there.
- David Bisset (sn)
Bisset, The Brightkite iPhone app can do that with the 3G.
- coldbrew
Indie Label Asthmatic Shares "What Is Working?" - http://www.hypebot.com/hypebot...
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"...people buy records because they want to own them, not because they want to hear them."
- Matt Albiniak
Google Releases Sync for iPhone and Windows Mobile - Push Gmail Coming Soon? - http://www.readwriteweb.com/archive...
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Video: Trent Reznor's New Model For Music Business Profits - http://www.hypebot.com/hypebot...
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Last Week In Review: Merger Talks, More Losses, Executive Shifts, An Angry Boss & More - http://www.hypebot.com/hypebot...
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From Weekend Warrior To $4.2M By Giving Music Away Free - http://www.hypebot.com/hypebot...
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Video: MPTrax Offers Online Live Booking Solution - http://www.hypebot.com/hypebot...
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Portugal not in MPTrax list of countries... :-(
- Marcos Marado
Al Jazeera has a Twitter account to give the Gaza perspective on the current conflict. http://twitter.com/AJGaza
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Any other perspectives?
- Rob Schieber
I am following them but like you said, it's a one sided persepctive-
- Enriqueta
Perspective? this is a one-sided cover influenced by a terror propaganda.
- Nir Ben Yona
These ones reflects the real situation in Israel: http://twitter.com/fromisrael and http://twitter.com/QassamCount
- Nir Ben Yona
I'm following this, the BBC, and listening to a lot of shortwave
- David Parmet
from twhirl
@DavidParmet I haven't seen a shortwave radio in YEARS.
- Prolific Programmer
@NirBenYona everyone has a bias, the trick is to keep it in mind as you listen to it.
- Prolific Programmer
I just blogged this and it started a separate conversation that I wanted to loop in here: http://friendfeed.com/e...
- Robert Scoble
@Prolific Programmer: That's true if you refer to both sides reports. However the Al Jazeera network break the rules. Here's a Facebook app to add: http://apps.facebook.com/qassamc...
- Nir Ben Yona
@Ben Yona Is your second comment sarcastic?
- TunisianGuy
A little.
- Nir Ben Yona
Peace is possible.
- Rob Schieber
this is very interesting
- Susan Beebe
@NirBenYona al-Jazeera is a lot better than most news outlets. They regularly have Israeli MKs alongside Hammas members. I can't say the same for BBC World or CNN International, which give the view that the Palestenians ought to be happy Israel's giving them the little sliver of land that is Gaza.
- Prolific Programmer
If you are running Livestation (http://www.livestation.com) you can watch Al Jazeera English service and enter their real time chat room, even talking to a few reporters. Lots of shouting over there
- Andrew Leyden
AlJazeera also created a place for people to submit events in Gaza as they happen http://labs.aljazeera.net/waronga...
- Baher Al Hakim
@Prolific Programmer: presumably the BBC World stance is to balance out their domestic coverage (separately funded) which runs entire features without deviating from a pro-Hamas line - obsessively covering "deaths" (omitting the nature thereof) while ignoring the ongoing attacks on Israel. Hence the protests today in London all calling on Israel to ignore the aggression, rather than calling for Hamas to stop the attacks or disband.
- James
Al Jazeera is a really good media outlet.
- Marshall Kirkpatrick
very useful
- Seltoon
al jazeera is a very good news organization.
- Cee Bee
Maximizing Your Music Experience (Part 1) - http://www.hypebot.com/hypebot...
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Maximizing Your Music Experience (Part Two) - http://www.hypebot.com/hypebot...
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Nine Inch Nails Released Free In New PlayApp Format - http://www.hypebot.com/hypebot...
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