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Bill de hÓra: Extensions v Envelopes - http://www.dehora.net/journal...
"We've had a few years to watch and learn from social platforms and formats being built out on Atom, and I think that direct extension, not enveloping, is the way to go. Which is to say, I'll take a DRY specification over a cohesive domain model and syntax. It does means having to explain the mapping rules and buying into Atom's (loose) domain model, but this only has to be done once in the extension specification, and it avoids all these "hosting" rules and armies of developers pulling the same data from different fields, which is begging for interop and semantic problems down the line."
- MikeAmundsen
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PolitiFact | Chain e-mail says those on public option will have to get microchip implant #PantsOnFire - http://www.politifact.com/truth-o...
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"Even if microchips had somehow been the target of that line in the bill -- and they're not -- the provision in question, which doesn't appear in the Senate bill, only talks about creating a database that keeps tabs on devices that have already been implanted in people. It says nothing whatsoever about requiring implantation "in the majority of people who opt to become covered by the public health care option." That part is fiction, pure and simple."
- MikeAmundsen
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With all the misinformation coming from the conservative side of the house, Col. Jessep's tirade from A Few Good Men comes to mind.
- Rene Wirtz
You gotta love people who make shite up, and then get more people backing them up, making more shite up... *sighs*
- Bette Cooper
Assuming you had your basic needs taken care of... which one would you rather have: Power, money, fame or control?
Mark Aitken, Jason Huebel, The Catz Meow and 17 other people liked this
Definitely money. The kind of education I want to give my kids requires money.
- Bruce Lewis
Money...the other three are illusory at best.
- Alex Scoble
Money. It buys you all of the other things.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Money. It would allow me to do so many things. It might not bring me happiness, and I"m not a hugely materialistic person, but more money would give me more freedom to make more choices.
- Ian May
Money, for the same reason Akiva said. And, I don't want fame.
- Ha3rvey (ret ta go home)
Control so I could take all your money away *evil laugh*
- Rodfather
Wow, really... Money does not really buy you "power" or "fame"... I mean in the sense Obama is powerful or Angelina Jolie is famous
- Bindu Reddy
Money - there's a lot that I'd like to do, or see, and with enough money I'd be able to give some away as well.
- Jennifer Dittrich
Money. Because the list of choices is missing stuff I'd want more.
- Spidra Webster
Power, money, fame, and control are the basic needs, aren't they? :) .... What is control as distinct from power? What I'd like would be youth, mental and physical health, sociability, energy, will, and I suppose more money would be nice.
- SuezanneC Baskerville
Money. You can lose power, but you have to screw up bad to lose a ton of money.
- Alex Scrivener
Money
- Mo Kargas
Wow... I am really surprised at how overwhelming "money" wins... I don't really think money buys you power or fame or control. In face there are many very rich ppl who don't have much have any of these.
- Bindu Reddy
...lust of the eyes, lust of the flesh and the pride of life..."
- Jeremy (cropmarks)
These things a Jedi does not seek. mmmm.
- Geoff Schultz
money. with money, you can buy the rest.
- imabonehead
Money. I don't care for power (of the political kind, whether inside an organization or in the public arena), I've always been somewhat uncomfortable with/around fame, and money would buy me control over my own life.
- Tudor Bosman
Money, cause I need it.
- Eric @ CSTechcast.com
And Bindu, money can definitely buy you fame, just look at Paris Hilton :)
- Tudor Bosman
Well she is more of the exception than the rule and she has a bunch of other things like - glamor/beauty etc to make her famous :)
- Bindu Reddy
I'm gonna take the road not yet traveled, & that you jaded IT heavy weights may perhaps call naïve, but I'm gonna go with love...EL-OH-VEE-EE..LOVE. <3
- sofarsoShawn
money: of all the ones on your list. money is easiest to share.
- MikeAmundsen
ha LOVE... now how did I forget that as an option :)
- Bindu Reddy
You gotta make the money first. Then when you get the money, you get the power. Then when you get the power, then you get the women.
- Johnny Worthington
I would have to understand the difference between Power and Control first, but I'm thinking it would be one of the two. I think money leads to the other two, so why start one step back?
- Rahsheen ™, Coach of FF
Power is influence over others. Control is control over your life and doing what you want to do. I think people always think that they just need to make "enough money" and they will get control. The issue is it is very hard to define "enough" and most people spend all their lives getting to this sometimes elusive goal all time not having control... In a lot of cases, they keep revising the goal as well - I just need 1 M or 10 M or 100 M etc..
- Bindu Reddy
Money. I don't care about power, fame, or control.
- Alix Whitmire
If I'd known that was your definition of control, I might have put that first.
- Spidra Webster
*sigh*... I hope someone gets my reference...
- Johnny Worthington
Johnny, I am with you....Tony Montana rocks :))
- Bindu Reddy
people give you power, fame is fleeting, control is free. money is liquid, easily exchanged, and mutually understood. in fact, money, in sufficient quantities, will allow you to collect all the power and fame you wish. again, control is free and totally up to you.
- MikeAmundsen
Power / Control ... can't really seem to decide between the two.
- Bhowmik Shah
Ok, I figured that's what you meant, so I'll modify my answer to Control. I don't necessarily need power over others. Control would allow me to help those who need it and try to make a positive difference in the world. I don't really like the word Power because power corrupts.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach of FF
Control, Money, Power, Fame in that order. Based on Bindu's definition of Control. Fame is the least desirable, because while it has its benefits, like getting into special clubs or invited to meet other interesting famous people, it also has downsides, like not being able to go everywhere and be left alone. Power over other people is useful sometimes, but it can be abused, and you can...
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- Cristo
Control to control power, fame and money.
- ashish
None.
- Mona Nomura
Money. I don't need control or power (how do those differ? I mean, power over others is effectively control of one's own life, except for issues like health... and money, I guess) and fame has a lot of drawbacks I'd rather not live with, even though the upside can't (IMO) be achieved with regular power or money.
- Andrew C
Cristo - You think the way I do. One big reason Power is not desirable to money is that in most cases having power over someone or some group of people means having someone else have power over you. CEOs, management have some power but they in turn are subject to some one's power.
- Bindu Reddy
control! no fame i am allergic to fame, don't want people recognizing me everywhere
- ffcode
Bindu, yes. In a similar fashion, I wouldn't want to have hired help living with me full time because it would be a loss of privacy. I don't want people around me 24/7 that are working for me. As long as you're not trying to impress others, the greatest joy is just being able to go where you want and do what you want, whenever you want. That and building something cool, i.e being creative.. ;)
- Cristo
Money. I could buy the rest if I really wanted it.
- April Russo (app103)
My issue with this question is the priorities are all skewed. It's about doing what you love, your passion, and if you follow your passion with 220% heart, the control, power, fame, and fortune comes with that. If your main focus is to gain any one of those superficial attributes, you will be the only one to blame for your failures.
- Mona Nomura
I think I'd pass on those and go for some good ole fashioned happiness
- Ras - Dago-Baadass! of FF
peace
- chaz2b
Mona, ah, to be young and idealistic. Sometimes, however, you have to do things you don't love or have passion for to succeed. Balance is the key, although I don't always practice what I preach. ;)
- Cristo
Well... power is an illusion at best, and fleeting. Money can be made. Fame is also fleeting, and based on the whims of an indiscriminate public. Control is mine to wield at will. I'll stick with what I have now... adventure at every turn, a good man at my side, and good friends to gossip with from time to time. :D
- Bette Cooper
Oh Chris, I am far from young - 31, to be exact :) Through experience and personal circumstances, it's all about doing what I love and everything will follow. There is only one life and I refuse for it to be half assed and or settling. Life is just that precious and damn short. ;)
- Mona Nomura
31 is young in my book. Anyway, as long as we're not arguing, I'm happy. ;)
- Cristo
Hahahhahahaha! I don't think we'd ever go back to those days - I respect you way too much (now) ...and you know what? I kinda sorta like it. ;)
- Mona Nomura
Cristo/Mona - What are you guys up at such a ungodly hour?
- Bindu Reddy
Mona: :) Bindu, I don't know. I haven't been sleeping much lately. My brain isn't shutting off. Too many ideas. I've actually got a web 2.0 idea, which kind of scares me. :)
- Cristo
A web 2.0 idea :)) Now that is scary :) So you working on it?
- Bindu Reddy
I haven't written a line of code yet, if that's what you mean. But I'm thinking about it in the shower, when I'm not planning my loft of the future project.
- Cristo
Ya that is always the fun phase :)
- Bindu Reddy
Money.
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Wow you can have no name?
- Bindu Reddy
Yeah. I'm not sure if it's a backspace trick or what, but I've seen it before. I suppose if we really cared, we could look at the html source. I'm more concerned with calculating how much money I need to fly gulfstreams everywhere I travel. ;)
- Cristo
Mona, doing what you love with your all doesn't make anything happen, most of the time...not even money. In fact, it can make you go broke. I used to be heavily, passionately into art and handcrafts, but a financial disaster in 2003 left me with no money for yarn, thread, beads, paint, fabric, etc. And the amount of money and time I spent to make my creations rarely translated into a...
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- April Russo (app103)
Charlie Parker. Simply amazing.
- Cristo
it's a trick question..... Power = Money = Contol / Fame Some have control, others have fame, none have both at the same time. I'm happy with basic needs and friends and family.
- Ⓐ ☠ slayerboy ☠ Ⓐ
i would avoid fame at all costs.
- Joe Silence is not dead
Money
- Shevonne
All of them
- ★ Soner Gönül
money $$$$$$$$$$$$ :-)
- anjelina
Money. You can do so much with it, including achieve all other choices. Fame isn't really an important target, if one at all though, for me.
- Maxamad
$$$
- VAL D.
If this were a genie in the bottle question, anyone who didn't say control would be so screwed right now.
- Michael W. May
Definitely Control. Self-control first.Then to organize controls for healthy living,sharing etc.Especially helping to ones who are in need . Finally, to establish a control with life itself,and live coherently with the rules of nature. Money,fame or power can not buy knowledge and wisdom .Thank you...
- Dedegi
I was looking at how one gets airline upgrades yesterday on Cathay Pacific (HK's airline) and one person said there are like 13 categories of who gets upgrades - VIPs like foreign heads of state, etc, _and Cantopop stars_ were in the top category. Money is great, but like I said upthread, fame's upside can't be replicated with it.
- Andrew C
If I had money, why would I need to upgrade a commercial flight's seat?
- Cristo
freedom.
- Aron Michalski
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Cristo, yes, well, it was more of an illustration. I assume Cantopop stars generally have enough money to fly in nice seats anyways.
- Andrew C
If I had money, I most likely wouldn't be on a commercial flight. Also, if you have enough money, fame usually comes along for the ride, whether you like it or not. Now, it does bring up the question of where the money came from. I'd rather be known for earning the money, rather than inheriting it. E.g. Warren Buffett.
- Cristo
None of the above. Aron has it right: Freedom.
- Karoli
When I see "Freedom" as a sentence by itself, I cannot help but think of "Arrested Development". AD fans know what I mean. I hope.
- Andrew C
I think I'd like a bit of each. But if I had to pick one then its money; with enough of it you can buy every thing else on that list.
- J. Abdul-Qahhar
Could you not obtain the other things if you started with power?
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
Control.
- Kol Tregaskes
With Control you have power. With Power you have Money. With money you have fame.
- CW™
But, CW... do you have freedom?
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
As long as my basic needs are taken care of, I personally have the one thing I want and that is Happiness. Yall can have the money power control and fame IMO I have seen all four things bring misery, strife and heartache when folks obtain them. I just want to be happy. ^.^
- The Catz Meow
What's the difference between power and control?
- Kevin Fox
Kevin, I think earlier in the thread Bindu defined control as being over your own life and power being over other people.
- Cristo
I think Power. Fame is fleeting, money gets spent, control is hard to maintain, but power is something that can be built on.
- Jason Huebel
This really makes me curious as to Bindu's next development. o_O
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
I think power is no more necessarily lasting than money or fame.
- Andrew C
I suppose I should qualify that with "benevolent power".
- Jason Huebel
I guess money is the lowest common denominator .... so money :). "freedom" (not on the list)... is what I vote for. It's not just freedom to act but also freedom that comes from control over your own emotions, thoughts, etc..
- Vipul Rawat
In that case, Control, Money, Fame, Power.
- Kevin Fox
Kevin, we agreed, except I switched Fame and Power.
- Cristo
I'm surprised. We're both such attention-whores. ;-)
- Kevin Fox
Oh yes. That is my purpose for being on friendfeed. ;)
- Cristo
Money
- Jesse Stay
Is gold an option?
- Gary Burd
I would put control first, with reputation second. Reputation is a bit different than fame--it may be limited to people in the know.
- Ruchira S. Datta
Ruchira, I think reputation is very different from fame, and I have to invalidate your answer because it uses a choice not provided. :)
- Cristo
None of the above. My choice would be 'Respect'. I guess that is sort of like 'Fame'.
- Thaths
Based on Bindu's description, I'll go with control and reduce/increase the value of the others to sustain a satisfactory level of control .
- Rodfather
None of the above but mindfulness, wakefulness and attention
- Vlad Hrouda
Census worker in Kentucky killed self, officials conclude | McClatchy - http://www.mcclatchydc.com/251...
"Bill Sparkman, 51, of London, might have tried to cover the manner of his death to preserve payments under life-insurance polices that he had taken out. The policies wouldn’t pay off if Sparkman committed suicide, state police Capt. Lisa Rudzinski said. “We believe it was an intentional act on his part to take his own life,” said Rudzinski, who helped lead the investigation."
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BBC News - Paralysed Belgian misdiagnosed as in coma for 23 years - http://news.bbc.co.uk/2...
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"Medical staff believed Rom Houben had sunk irretrievably into a coma after he was injured in a car crash in 1983. The University of Liege doctor who discovered in 2006 that, although Mr Houben was paralysed, his brain was working, said the case was not unique. Mr Houben said that at first he felt angry at his powerlessness, but eventually learned to live with it."
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omg. its terrible.
- Bahriye
"Johnny Got His Gun," Dalton Trumbo 1938 "Joe Bonham, a young soldier serving in World War I, awakens in a hospital bed after being caught in the blast of an exploding artillery shell. He gradually realizes that he has lost his arms, legs, and face, but that his mind functions perfectly, leaving him a prisoner in his own body." [http://go.mamund.com/nai2]
- MikeAmundsen
PolitiFact | Chain e-mail claims cap-and-trade will require home retrofits, license before sale #PantsOnFire - http://www.politifact.com/truth-o...
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"his fact-check is clear-cut. There's nothing in the bill that would require homeowners to retrofit their homes to meet new efficiency standards or get a government "license" before putting their home on the market. Homeowners who do want to retrofit their homes can do so voluntarily and with the help of government funding. This chain e-mail gets a Pants on Fire!"
- MikeAmundsen
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Political arguments are much easier if one just makes up lies about what the other side will do.
- Andrew C
On November 8, 1970, Tom Dempsey of New Orleans Saints kicked an NFL record 63 yard field goal against the Detroit Lions - http://www.mmbolding.com/BSR...
"On November 8, 1970, Tom Dempsey of New Orleans Saints kicked an NFL record 63 yard field goal against the Detroit Lions at Tulane Stadium in New Orleans (video). Dempsey kicked four field goals that day against the Lions, the final and record breaker with two seconds left gave the Saints a come-from-behind-victory of 19-17. Dempsey was born with half a right foot and with no right hand. He was fitted with an artificial foot in childhood, and it is with that wooden foot, encased in a modified football shoe, that he kicked field goals and extra points."
- MikeAmundsen
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so question to all you android users out there...what is the best twitter client to use for the #android phones?
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my android twitter client of choice is Twidroid right now.
- MikeAmundsen
I also use Twidroid.
- imabonehead
Seesmic just came out with an android app.
- Laura Norvig
YouTube
- Utah Senator Chris Buttars Doesn't Want The Gays Stuffing It Down His Throat All The Time - http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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Nice choice of words, Senator. [/sarcasm]
- Steven Perez
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What, only on Sunday then? /sarcasm
- Rene Wirtz
priceless.
- MikeAmundsen
Oh. Em. Gee. Senator Butt ars is NSFW
- Richard ¿digame? Walker
QuirksBlog: Presentations - The Mobile Web (@ppk) - http://www.quirksmode.org/blog...
"I’ve now uploaded both my Fronteers 2009 and my Full Frontal 2009 presentations to both Slideshare and QuirksMode. The two presentations are the same for about 60%, the rest is different, mainly because I had less time at Full Frontal and it was a JavaScript conference. Therefore I added a bit about JavaScript performance and removed quite a few subjects I discussed at Fronteers 2009, including, sadly, the nice historical intro."
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@mamund you walk that race? :)
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"you walk that race? :)" ha! you're so cruel!
- MikeAmundsen
FactCheck.org | Fort Hood shooter an "advisor to Obama’s homeland security team" #false - http://factcheck.org/2009...
"It’s possible that the author of this e-mail and authors of similar versions got their information from Jerome Corsi, who we’ve previously criticized for spreading falsehoods about the president. In an article published by World Net Daily, a conservative news Web site, Corsi wrote: World Net Daily, Nov. 6: Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, the alleged shooter in yesterday’s massacre at Fort Hood, played a homeland security advisory role in President Barack Obama’s transition into the White House, according to a key university policy institute document"
- MikeAmundsen
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PolitiFact | A chain e-mail full of praise "...90 accomplishments from President Barack Obama's first six months in office." - http://www.politifact.com/truth-o...
"We scanned the list and while we may quibble with a few that have not been fully accomplished, they are by and large accurate. And we should note that many conservative critics would likely contest the phase "accomplishments" however."
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Ireland and Kentucky: Contrasting Biofuel and Energy Plans | Energy Bulletin - http://www.energybulletin.net/node...
"Ireland and Kentucky have a surprising amount in common, but they’re charting very different courses for their energy future. Ireland is a moderate energy consumer with a plan to reduce its energy use. Kentucky is a profligate energy user planning to increase its consumption. Biofuels play a big part in the energy plans for both, but will likely have different impacts."
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thisDev: I Want To Like Microsoft Azure. I really do... (Roy Leban) - http://www.thisdev.com/2009...
"When I first heard about Azure, I thought it was a brilliant way to split the difference and get the advantages of both systems -- a wonderfully scalable system with great flexibility. Sadly, Microsoft has produced the exact opposite -- a poorly scalable system which requires developing to a special API that limits flexibility. In other words, the disadvantages of both systems."
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Due to my daughter not quite getting movie-making, today's after-school lesson will be on CGI, make-up, scripts & other special effects.
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She is just getting that the people are actors. We watched part of Pirates of the Caribbean and asked if she recognized Will Turner from LOTR. A light went off. Last night, we sorta watched MiB ("Mama, why are they all wearing black?" *headdesk*), then showed her a bit of Will Smith in Independence Day. "But how does he know what to say?"
- Anika
sounds like it's time to start producing her own plays, etc. love that phase!
- MikeAmundsen
*prays we're not talking about a teenager*
- Matthew DeVries
Of course the adults know Will's wearing black and other dark shades all the time to make up for all the loud colors in the early years. Yes, Fresh Prince OBA, I'm looking at you. o_x
- Micah Wittman
That's the thing, Mike. She does do her own plays. She's been doing it for 3 years now, complete with costume changes. Now, that the boy can talk and play along she even tells him what to say. This sort of stuns me. Like watching Star Wars, she doesn't quite get that Tatooine is a made up planet. =) I have to admit, I wouldn't mind living in her world a bit.
- Anika
Anika: i always tried to keep my kids thinking in 'make-believe' as long as possible. no reason not to, really. some of their friends made it a bit harder for a while ('why don't you grow up?'), but by the time they hit the middle grades, they all wanted to hang out and do 'fun stuff' w/ our kids. i remember when our youngest started asking questions about movie-places (town, sets,...
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- MikeAmundsen
We're watching the bits on the LOTR movies. She liked the costume part, she's losing it at the miniature part. Meaning, she's bored of hearing them talk, but she's really interested in learning how to make them.
- Anika
yeah, i recall our kids faded rather quickly when i started yammering on about details. after a while, i learned to noticed when i'd lost my audience and just pipe down. they had lots of fun w/o all my precious knowledge<g>. my oldest now teaches high school engiish. they youngest is starting college as an art major. middle child is finishing geology. two out of three ain't bad<g>.
- MikeAmundsen
=) I totally thought your kids were little ones like mine! This one is pretty flighty and only likes to hear what she likes to hear. She's dazzled that *I* know it, but doesn't really want to know it herself. She wants to go back to the costumes, particularly the dresses.
- Anika
My 7 year old is catching on, too. He makes his own movies with the Flip Camera. Zoe cracks up at his skills, but they're starting to look all the same to us. Now whenever he sees something on TV he asks, "Is that in real life?"
- Trish Haley
Anika: yeah, i kinda blew my cover, eh? i love kids and they're magic no matter the age!
- MikeAmundsen
@Trish: i've thought about this more lately. i think we're raising children w/ a new sense of "the possible" now. media offers so many new examples of how we can be creative. of course, lots of entertainment media also shows how shallow things can get, too.
- MikeAmundsen
Biblical anti-Obama slogan: Use of Psalm 109:8 funny or sinister? | csmonitor.com - http://features.csmonitor.com/politic...
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"The psalm reads, “Let his days be few; and let another take his office.” ... [T]he verse immediately following the psalm referenced is a bit more ominous: “Let his children be fatherless, and his wife a widow.”"
- MikeAmundsen
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Oh they do love lifting lines out of context, don't they?
- Akiva Moskovitz
I'd say sinister, considering all the death threats Obama's been getting from wingnuts since he became the first black US president. The fundies who believe the Bible justifies or even mandates slavery and/or racism can't handle that fact...
- Dennis Jernberg
1(A) Be not silent, O(B) God of my praise! 2For wicked and(C) deceitful mouths are opened against me, speaking against me with lying tongues. 3They encircle me with words of hate, and attack me(D) without cause. 4In return for my love they(E) accuse me, but I(F) give myself to prayer.[a] 5So they(G) reward me evil for good, and hatred for my love. 6(H) Appoint a wicked man(I) against...
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- WarLord
this kind of "sub-texting" is typical for the religious right. if you're of the "in crowd" you'll get the joke; the sinister joke. FWIW, i rather think Obama's appropriate response could be contained in the first five verses of that very same Psalm.
- MikeAmundsen
This was sent to me yesterday as a bumper sticker joke by an admittedly conservative friend. I first looked up the Psalm to verify that it was accurate. I then laughed about it and never considered any sinister undertones until reading this article. If there was intended sub-texting I missed it.
- Eric Logan
Using this particular verse this way is PROFOUNDLY -- albeit unintentionally -- ironic. The verse is a quoted example of the "wicked and deceiving words" and "false accusations" aimed at the slandered psalmist who, in verse 3, laments that "Words of hate fly all around me, though I give no cause for hostility." By applying the verse to Obama, @cheriDouglas has unwittingly associated...
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- Mark Czerniec
Hard to miss the "subtext" when it says: "9May his(O) children be fatherless and his wife a widow! 10May his children(P) wander about and beg, (Q) seeking food far from the ruins they inhabit!" typical of the crazies who demand respect but don't give it
- WarLord
what cracks me up so is that this psalm is a listing of the _falsehoods_ uttered against the writer. the verse mentioned in the bumper sticker is just one of the false accusations. is this just too "meta" for anti-Obama folks to grasp?
- MikeAmundsen
The e-mail that I received said simply == > Pray for Obama Psalm 109:8 it never referred to any other Psalm. I had not read any of the surrounding Psalms and looked up just that Psalm to verify accuracy of the explanation. “Let his days be few; and let another take his office.”
- Eric Logan
Yet another not-so-subtle incitement to assassination, no doubt originating from the usual suspects. Relevant background: google(pulsa dinura rabin sharon http://www.google.com/#q=puls...)
- Sean McBride
The actual text of the version I received. Still does not seem sinister to me. ====> We were in Pigeon Forge over the week end. We left to come home on Sunday. Traffic was moving slow & a car in front of us had an Obama bumper sticker on it. It read: "Pray for Obama. Psalm 109:8". My husband’s Bible was lying on the dash board & he got it & opened it up to the scripture & read it. He...
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- Eric Logan
‘We prayed for Sharon’s death’ http://www.ynetnews.com/article... "Right-wing activists claim they had held a ‘Pulsa Dinura’ (curse) that called for the prime minister’s demise 10 years after they had put the same curse on slain Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin" And Psalm 109:9: "May his children be fatherless and his wife a widow."
- Sean McBride
@Mark gets the true irony here. +1
- MikeAmundsen
More on the Old Testament ideological/cultural matrix behind this use of Psalms: "Robertson blamed Sharon stroke on policy of "dividing God's land"" http://mediamatters.org/researc... "On the January 5 edition of Christian Broadcasting Network's (CBN) The 700 Club, host Pat Robertson suggested that Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's recent stroke was the result of Sharon's...
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- Sean McBride
Sean, Where do you find a connection between the Pulsa Dinura and Psalms 109:9 ? I still have not found it and I have read all of your referral links.
- Eric Logan
Eric -- isn't the connection obvious? What is in play is the use of biblical imprecations and curses by religious fundamentalists to incite hatred and violence against political leaders. This is a form of psychological warfare which can often motivate unhinged minds to commit acts of violence, including assassinations. Did you read the immediate context for this quote? Psalms 109:6-15?...
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- Sean McBride
Eric: Rabbi Brad Hirschfield gets it: "Psalms 109:8, An Ugly Prayer for President Obama" http://blog.beliefnet.com/windows... "The issue is not the scripture quoted or the name by which God is called by those doing the praying. The issue is invoking the God in whom any of us believe, to act as executioner of those with whom we disagree....
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- Sean McBride
It is not obvious to me, at all. You first have to take the next Psalm 109:9 instead of 109:8 than you have to make a leap to an allegedly Kabbalistic ritual performed by a radical group. Which is condemned, forbidden and misinterpreted according to a rabbinic authority ===> According to Rabbi Ariel Bar Tzadok, from Yeshivat Benei N'vi'im, in Chicago, Illinois, USA, the popular...
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- Eric Logan
Sean, I agree with Rabbi Hirshfield's statement but, the links you are making are tenuous at best.
- Eric Logan
Thanks to WarLord for posting the entire Psalm. A few years ago I authored a Bible blog, and the main thing that I tried to do in that blog is to look at entire passages and not isolated verses. Perhaps those who believe that Obama is a secret Muslim may think that Psalm 109:1-7 are applicable to Obama, but frankly I don't see it.
- John E. Bredehoft
Eric: the use of hate-filled biblical imprecations and curses to incite political violence, including assassinations, strikes me as a simple concept to grasp, and the connections between these various cases are not tenuous at all. Rabbi Hirschfield instantly made the mental connection between the Psalm 109 bumper sticker and the Rabin assassination, which was preceded by similar...
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- Sean McBride
Oh, and to Christians, I was wondering why the first verse seemed familiar. It's one of the verses that Peter cited in Acts 1 when Judas Iscariot had to be replaced in the group of the twelve Apostles. (Answer to the ensuing trivia question: Matthias.)
- John E. Bredehoft
Sean, It seems that an anti-Israel position often colors your perspective. Rabbi Hirshfield's insights are starkly more balanced in comparison.
- Eric Logan
Eric: Objecting to the use of biblical curses and ceremonies to help incite the assassination of Yitzhak Rabin and other political leaders is "anti-Israel"? How so? And Rabbi Hirschfield isn't "balanced" on the matter: he categorically condemns it.
- Sean McBride
Sean "No doubt originating from the usual suspects." Every example that followed your statement was an example of Jewish radicalism. I said and reiterate Rabbi Hirshfield's insights are balanced compared to yours. Read his last paragraph again.
- Eric Logan
DM me whe I should weigh in here, Mike.
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
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Eric: "the usual suspects" = anti-Obama zealots who are motivated by religious extremism, whether Christian or Jewish religious extremism. Pro-Israel militants from any ethnic or religious background. Neoconservatives. Neo-Confederates. Christian Zionists. Judeo-Christian fascists. This is the political sector that has been producing most of the most extreme hatred and incitement...
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- Sean McBride
The same political factions which have been trying to paint Obama as a secret Muslim and incite violence against him are the same political factions which have been trying to ignite a global holy war against Islam. Neoconservatives and Christian Zionists mainly -- the usual suspects. That is how the subject of Islam primarily relates to the Psalms bumper sticker controversy.
- Sean McBride
Eric: I just used Topsy to scan the most influential Twitter commentary on the bumper sticker -- most people get just how nasty and insidious it is. For instance http://blog.sojo.net/2009... Quoting C.S. Lewis on the imprecatory psalms: "The hatred is there — festering, gloating, undisguised — and also we should be wicked if we in any way...
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- Sean McBride
Rachel Maddow: Some Religious Right Calling For Obama's Death? http://www.youtube.com/watch... Eric: pay close attention to Frank Schaeffer's analyis on Maddow's show, and notice his credentials on this subject (he's a leading Christian evangelical insider). He remarks that the Psalms verse is "trawling for assassins" and describes its promoters as religious maniacs and the American version of the Taliban. Funny or humorous? Schaeffer isn't amused.
- Sean McBride
Sean, I think we both can agree on your last three posts. Your earlier posts led me to believe that there was a direct nexus between the examples of "rabid and hateful" internal Israeli political discourse that you illustrated and these particular Psalms. If that was in fact the case sinister undertones would certainly be more demonstrable. My first thoughts which where lacking context...
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- Eric Logan
Eric -- some people may be reading and interpreting this verse in an innocent way, but I do think that whoever set this operation into motion is sinister and malevolent. What Friendfeed and Twitter users are saying about the Psalm 109 controversy: https://friendfeed.com/search... http://topsy.com/s?q=psalm+109
- Sean McBride
Who owns Zazzle.com and approved the sale of Psalm 109:8 merchandise? http://www.zazzle.com/pray_fo... I would really like to know.
- Sean McBride
Contact for zone is Zazzle.com, 1900 Seaport Blvd, 4th Fl, Rewood City, CA 94063, US, 650-872-8000 according to whois.
- Brian Sullivan
Creepy. Just creepy.
- ProsePetals (aka Denise)
Yeah, and this is from the so-called "Culture of Life."
- Ladybug Heather
I think people need to read back 8 years about what was said about Bush, then complain.
- Spencer
Spencer, yes, Bush received death threats. Every president does. However, death threat comparisons between Bush and Obama? Obama's death threats are 400% higher than Bush had. (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news...) So what is it you want us to look back 8 years ago for, again?
- ProsePetals (aka Denise)
You know, I can't think of any liberals who issued death threats against Bush, or who tried to incite violence against him, or who agitated to ignite a civil war. They held Bush in contempt, thought he was quite stupid, and were convinced that he would make a big mess in Iraq. The tone of the Birthers, Teabaggers and fundamentalist religious zealots is an entirely different phenomenon. Their forebears are the Confederates who started the US Civil War and who assassinated Abraham Lincoln.
- Sean McBride
The tendency of left-wing radicals to consider even the most innocent criticism of Obama a personal threat is the cause of hatred and animosity. They cannot win an argument with their rationale so they must devolve the discussion into a hateful argument where they can call names and present baseless accusations.
- pitlord
@pit: ROFL!
- MikeAmundsen
In 1999 Robert Beaver and his two sons founded Zazzle.com, a service which enables users to create their own products. Zazzle.com users can create virtually anything, from customized t-shirts to postage stamps. Users can also recieve a commission on products that they sell and design themselves. Zazzle is funded primarily by Kleiner, Perkins, Caufield & Byers and Sherpalo Ventures, who in 2005 provided $16 million in seres A funding.
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David C. Cooper: your comment doesn't address any of the discussion in this thread about the Psalms bumper sticker and the fanatical religious fundamentalist culture in which it is embedded. Did you bother to listen to Frank Schaeffer's analysis in the video cited above?
- Sean McBride
Heh, typical of his MO.
- ProsePetals (aka Denise)
One need not go any farther than the ridiculous notion that a reference to Psalm 109:8 is somehow equivalent to a death threat. Let us know when you're capable of discussing the issues rationally. -_-
- pitlord
It's a clear incitement to hatred and violence -- a dog whistle for crazed religious fundamentalists. How do you answer Frank Schaeffer's commentary? Schaeffer knows this culture intimately from the inside. As an admirer of Meir Kahane, you are also intimately familiar with the culture -- Kahanists have often used the Psalms to make bloodthirsty threats -- that is why even the Israeli government officially defines them as terrorists.
- Sean McBride
Schaeffer's commentary is identical to the bile that's been regurgitated in this thread. The left-wing radicals are trying to mischaracterize conservative free speech as violent just because it is critical of Obama. If conservatives truly wanted to apply anything beyond verse 8 of this Psalm to Obama why didn't they just cite the entire Psalm? They could just say "Pray for Obama, Psalm...
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- pitlord
@pit: you never fail to impress, my friend.
- MikeAmundsen
Psalm 109:8 all the way. :)
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- MikeAmundsen
Dear Friendfeed old people - I'm watching a TV show right now (Not spoiling which) where the power is hopelessly out, and they're forced to do their police work without power. They had drawing of a suspect, and someone found an old Mimeograph machine. The young people were clueless, the old guy on the show comes up, grabs the drawing, throws it..
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..in the drum and boom, makin copies. I thought that these things needs wax stencils, made with ribbonless typewritters, you couldn't just throw a piece of paper in it and make the copies.
- Matthew DeVries
Am I wrong?
- Matthew DeVries
yeah - mimeo def needs a stencil.
- MikeAmundsen
more here [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...]
- MikeAmundsen
Ditto machine? Yeah needs the original on the carbon paper
- CW™
hey! this is an 'old people" trap! and i fell for it!
- MikeAmundsen
I know they seem to still use them in some schools here. Yikes!
- Eric @ CSTechcast.com
actually, memio is very cheap and easy to use. can even do them w/ crank-powered drums; no elec. needed.
- MikeAmundsen
This brings back memories of running stuff through the mimeo in jr. high and all the purple ink....
- Sally: pecan pie master
yep - i can still smell it; takes me back to school daze....
- MikeAmundsen
Why were they always purple and blue?
- Eric @ CSTechcast.com
So how could you tell what you were typing without a typewriter ribbon?
- Matthew DeVries
Mimeo was black. And yes, this old person wondered about the stencil. You'd need to trace the drawing on a wax stencil first. The ditto machine produced the heady-smelling purple copies.
- m9m, Crone of FriendFeed
You mean all these years I'd been mislead in believing that the purpley-ink copy machine was a mimeo? Next you'll tell me that an IBM Selectric really a typewriter.
- Sally: pecan pie master
Actually, I was considering "Blurry Purple Dittos" as a band name.
- m9m, Crone of FriendFeed
actually, i used Ditto Machines in school, not mimeographs [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...]. in fact, my dad used to work for Ditto Corp when i was a kid and i got to play around a lot w/ them. messy, aromatic, and lots of fun!
- MikeAmundsen
Matt: TV show might have used a Thermofax[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...] machine instead of mimeograph. Thermofax worked w/ regular typewritten or written pages, but were lower quality.
- MikeAmundsen
since i've already offered way more than requested, i might as well complete the set. in a previous job (long ago) i was a music score copyist. we would write the 'originals' in black ink on clear plastic sheets and the copies were produced using an Ozalid machine [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...]. the copies yellowed over time, but it was a popular and relatively inexpensive way to produce the copies needed for performances.
- MikeAmundsen
*ditto copying this thread right now*
- Micah Wittman
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@Micah: +1
- MikeAmundsen
Wasn't thermofax, it was manual, crank driven, no electricity.
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Whatever clock "I'm late anyways"
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Think Progress » Washington Times op-ed: Obama lacks ‘blood impulse’ for what America ‘is about’ due to his ‘Kenyan father.’ - http://thinkprogress.org/2009...
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Wesley Pruden: "It’s no fault of the president that he has no natural instinct or blood impulse for what the America of “the 57 states” is about. He was sired by a Kenyan father, born to a mother attracted to men of the Third World and reared by grandparents in Hawaii, a paradise far from the American mainstream."
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"Pruden has a history of writing racially-charged items. In 2005, he wrote a column criticizing the Senate for passing a resolution that apologized for never enacting an anti-lynching law. As Media Matters noted at the time, Pruden had previously made numerous “sympathetic statements about the Confederacy” and employed “a neo-Confederate activist in the Times newsroom.”"
- Sean McBride
Neo-Confederates (white racists, Nazis) in the contemporary conservative movement. They barely make an effort to disguise their agenda.
- Sean McBride
sheesh.
- MikeAmundsen
Damn. I'd argue Obama is exactly what America is about. This Pruden chap looks kind of weird. Must be the witches brew that he drinks.
- Roberto Bonini
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I vaguely recall reading about Pruden in one of Al Franken's books.
- Andrew C
"Pruden has embraced Confederate causes with Beirich and Moser describing the Washington Times as "being the only major daily newspaper in the US to run a weekly page on about a war that ended 138 years ago"." [http://www.sourcewatch.org/index...]
- MikeAmundsen
What the- what?
- Christopher Chung
+1 Roberto: "Damn. I'd argue Obama is exactly what America is about."
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Experts say the House bill's employer mandate would have a small impact on jobs. | FactCheck.org - http://factcheck.org/2009...
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Eastern Kentucky town shows what health legislation can't fix | McClatchy - http://www.mcclatchydc.com/251...
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"Kentucky's fifth congressional district, which includes Harlan and Perry counties, has the lowest life expectancy of any district in America: 72.6 years for men and 76.4 for women. Those numbers would be little changed, Friedell says, by either a government-run system or a requirement that all people have insurance. Substantive change, he says, will only arrive built on a basis of re-ordered health values founded on programs like the ones in Hazard."
- MikeAmundsen
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Yeah...the town name is a self-fulfilling prophecy. Look at the population, look at the history. The article says, "there are enduring models in places such as Hazard that could prove instructive to rebuilding healthy communities across the nation, both rural and urban" -- but I actually disagree. When you consider the number of factors involved in Eastern KY (and other parts of Appalachia), there are mitigating factors involved that are not present elsewhere.
- ProsePetals (aka Denise)
Though I do agree they need to *up* their health care practices.
- ProsePetals (aka Denise)
PP: i live in KY and have spent time in that region. the culture there definitely makes some things harder - including the folks themselves<g>. FWIW, i am on the lookout in the future to hearing nat'l health opponents start citing communities like this as _examples_ of failure. IOW, i post this as a pre-emptive strike<g>.
- MikeAmundsen
I left KY a little over 2 years ago. I lived there for about 2 years (western end) and it was a surreal experience for me. I didn't believe the stereotypes (because I hate stereotypes) until I actually lived there. (Some parts of GA live up to the stereotypes...and WV & TN, too)...and there are just certain communities that have to be looked at independently. Eastern KY -certain parts-...
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- ProsePetals (aka Denise)
Another question occurred to me, Mike -- and I haven't looked into it, but maybe you could answer. In western KY, the Medicaid population is high (compared to the national average). I would imagine it's not terribly different on the eastern end -- but I don't know. That question is also applicable when considering health care reform, because the Medicaid population won't really be affected anyway. Central KY is where the money in the state is, so I don't know the ratio is, demographically, either.
- ProsePetals (aka Denise)
PP: good pt. Medicaid is high on both sides of the state - mostly due to coal/tobacco issues; both economically and consumptively (if that makes sense). and yes, i agree that areas w/ high Medicaid pop. will feel only a slight impact (if any). i wonder how many others areasin the country will be like this.
- MikeAmundsen
Quite a few, when you think about it. The idea of the public option isn't to touch people who already have state (gov't) coverage...or people who are happy with their private insurance--but that strange in-between population who earn "too much" to qualify for state coverage, but not enough to afford private insurance for themselves/families. This brings yet another thought to mind --...
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- ProsePetals (aka Denise)
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