i use Friendfeed,Twitter,Blip Fm. & Facebook
- Glenn Collins
Great video Sarah! I like FriendFeed and Facebook. I'm adding you to my Tumblr now. :D
- Daynah
Daynah- yay! Everyone- the reason I didn't list Facebook is because I made the mistake of adding too many people (people I don't know IRL) to my Facebook profile, and now most features are useless to me. Do you think those people would be offended if I moved them over to my fan page? I don't want to be a jerk, but they'd probably like that account better anyway as I plan to start adding videos there, etc.
- Sarah Lane
I use Facebook, Friendfeed, twitarmy, and twitter, so if I can't let the people know on twitter I got gas, I think they will live.
- Dave Hoffman / N3PRO
Twitter and FaceBook were working for me Thursday morning, albeit slowly.
- George Brickner
Twitter was down? I never would have known if there hadn't been Wall-to-frigging-wall coverage. CNN ws freaking out since they didn't have their favorite gimmick.
- Jason Huebel
from iPhone
Shara: Twitter is the alternative,Friend feed is a lot better than Twitter ,try it a week and you will never think on Twitter as main tool
- Johni Fisher
Not that I condone fascism, or any -ism for that matter. -Ism's in my opinion are not good. A person should not believe in an -ism, he should believe in himself.
- Dave Friedel
I just created this group as a way to gather great content for my upcoming show "Current.ly with Sarah Lane" from a variety of sources in one place. I think I'll feed my Current Tech blog, del.icio.us links, cool stuff I find on Tumblr...not sure about my @CurrentTech Twitter acct (I could always just post here and bypass it altogether). Thoughts?
They should've just done a bookmarklet and/or Greasemonkey script. Then you can have the Digg bar while leaving the address bar in tact. Which, I believe, is everyone's biggest gripe.
- Paul Reynolds
framewars. that's simply oddly old. nobody learns from past mistakes ?
- k0nan
Paul Reynolds: It's not the only gripe. Aside from not wanting Digg's URL taking the place of mine in the address bar, I refuse to allow someone else's frame to lounge across the top of my site.
- Tom Harrison
Paul Reynolds: I agree that a browser extension would have been a better way to implement this toolbar. If a user has gone to the trouble of downloading and installing such an add-on, fine. But it's quite a different story to have casual visitors following these shortened addresses and browsing around my site with a Digg URL and a Digg-branded frame sitting above the fold.
- Tom Harrison
What's interesting is AFAIK Facebook has been doing the framing thing for a while. I think Digg probably cribbed the idea from them and tied it together with a URL shortening service. Probably for an active Digg user, it's a great feature and experience but they've obviously stepped on the toes of their most valuable audience: content generating sites.
- Paul Reynolds
I will say from a FriendFeed user aspect, I like it because I can go straight to the source site and digg it if I choose to.
- Paul Reynolds
Noticed DiggBar the other day. Extremely irritating, in more ways than one.
- Martin Häger
As an aside, no one gripes much about the Facebook Bar, which I find to be at least equally annoying as the DiggBar, and sometimes even more so, since closing the Facebook Bar means Facebook spitefully seems to redirect you through the slowest possible servers to render a page.
- Mike Nayyar
That's incredible! Hopefully with President Obama now in power tech media like this will become more mainstream. Great job Current TV and Twitter!
- Charlie Flowers
Great that you're using wireless mics. Now if we can just get you to up their levels, you'll be super top notch, RS!!
- James D Kirk
Just watched it, as expected, Tim provided great insight, one question though, was there any kind of democratic voting system used, what selection criteria used to selecting Tim from your great list.
- cryptmod
Please provide a transcript for those running Ubuntu or other OSes where this particular codec works poorly.
- Bruce Lewis
Bruce: the one on the web page is Flash. Can you download the video and try it from there?
- Robert Scoble
I don't even see a video on the web page. I downloaded the mp4 and Ubuntu said it needed "bad" codecs for it. Then it played, but very slowly and without sound.
- Bruce Lewis
Bruce: bummer. I wonder what kind of codecs it needs. We're doing pretty standard stuff and created these with FinalCutPro.
- Robert Scoble
interesting interview, looking forward to part II
- Philipp Mertens
works for me on Ubuntu. Firefox sometimes doesnt display flash videos, i have to restart firefox to get it working.
- Varun Shenoy
About the mp4, the movie player says H.264 / AVC.
- Bruce Lewis
I truly look forward to the day Tim joins FF conversation!
- Susan Beebe
@potamus: Try new 64bit flash10 player, if you have an x64. They fixed the 'gray-box' problem.
- Onur Gündüz
Does anyone know Jillian Mcdonald? She's taking people's photos, photoshopping them & selling prints w/o their permission http://jillianmcdonald.net/project...
@scott - respectfully - it is cost effective to attribute & associate value to a far more basic granularity of data - a zero or one, even - a question, what makes the image uniquely identifiable? the ability of a friend &/or family to identify the person? curious - what about that person's voice?
- Scott Moskowitz
which bits are salable in the images she sells? The bits attributable to production (PhotoShop) & which to the recognizability of the subject of the image? Is there something more specific that you believe should or should not be sold without authorization? Mug shot? High school photo? What is *owned* by the subject? - there is an objective solution if the question is better framed - thus I am curious
- Scott Moskowitz
Sorry, they're a "derivative work" and the right to create/own/sell such work vests in the original artist or creator. NOT by the subject, NOT by the modifier.
- Glen Mistletoe
Scott M., seriously, stop talking like this is a damned scientific paper. She's taking people's photos and using them without permission. If she wants to photoshop photos, let her take her own damned photos or pay for the right to use others' photos. End of story.
- Raoul Pop
@scott - My issue is that my photography is being used without permission to create an image that is being sold. It's pretty straightforward.
- Scott Beale
Also, just to clarify, when I said "people's photos", I meant photos that people have taken, not photos of people. Sometimes 140 characters does not quite cut it.
- Scott Beale
another context a person who frequents a bar may be less willing to share basic identifiable information with her camera - the recording of information on her device as captured in image form prior to any production value-add (someone took the captured digitized image & used PhotoShop to allegedly add value) - how much what uniquely identifiable information is *personal*
- Scott Moskowitz
Seriously, I have absolutely no clue what your are talking about. I'm ready to leave it at that.
- Scott Beale
I think Scott M. is a troll. Not a foul-mouthed troll, but a troll nonetheless. Dude, do you not get that photos are being stolen? Are you that obtuse?
- Raoul Pop
stealing photos and selling them is ethically WRONG. period. end of story
- Susan Beebe
Thanks Raoul & Susan, I'm glad to have a bit of sanity in this thread.
- Scott Beale
right on!! that was like a bad acid trip! ha, ha! not that i've ever had any ya know
- Susan Beebe
Several people have been in contact with her. For the most part she's avoiding any questions about the use of the photos and is now saying that they are not for sale once people started asking her about it.
- Scott Beale
What's amazing about all of this is that she is a Associate Professor of Fine Art at Pace University, so she should know better: http://jillianmcdonald.net/bio...
- Scott Beale
so I would say the first step would be to contact her and ask her to stop and find out if and how many of the images she has sold. if that doesn't work, have smithers release the law hounds.
- Dave Bullock / eecue
Gregory, so let me get this straight, you think that Michelin creates art, the tires, and that's exactly the same as photos made by a photographer. Um, ok.
- Scott Beale
photography is art. Jillian is ripping off Scott's work = wrong!!! she's not even giving credit where credit is due... so lame
- Susan Beebe
This kind of stuff makes me sick- lack of respect for the artist (from an artist herself!) have you gotten in touch with her Scot? Good luck.
- anna sauce
Better yet, get ahold of the dean at her university... It's making -them- look bad, and that should get you some action of some sort.
- abacab
Did someone just put Scott's photography on the same level as tires?
- Mike Doeff
and once again, this is why i stand by my beliefs that Creative Commons is a mess of a system that doesn't work for photography. I understand that you use your photos to promote your other business ventures, but you could still do the same under All Rights Reserved and have more say over the end usage.
- lane hartwell
and I still can't see where she is selling anything. She's just a crappy derivative "artist".
- lane hartwell
I doubt this had anything to do with CC. Also I'm not the only photographer who's work she used. My point is that an established artist and associate professor of fine art should know better.
- Scott Beale
Regarding "selling" part, a friend of ours contacted her about the prints and she said that they were for sale. It was only after she was called out on this that she said that they photos were not for sale.
- Scott Beale
Here's Jill's quote from the email where she responded to my friend who inquired about the prints "There are three different prints, each in a limited edition of 5. If you're interested in prices I can get you those too."
- Scott Beale
Okay, I didn't see the info about selling them. Yes she should know better. It's not right for someone to sell another person's creative efforts without their explicit written permission. I don't know your exact CC license, so I can't say what is and isn't acceptable usage. Again, my issues with CC, it's just not clear.
- lane hartwell
@gregory - that's kind of what I'm thinking as well. So it's okay to make a derivative work of something commercial but if it's another artist it's automatically not okay? That said, the sale aspect could be a slippery slope, but I really don't see how this can be construed any different from Girl Talk's Feed the Animals or any other mash out / derivative work out there. We applaud musical derivative work, but reimagining someone else's visual work is not cool? Really?
- Neil Lee
I haven't talked to her, but when confronted with this by our friends she avoided the issue.
- Scott Beale
Neil Brings up an interesting point. Scott, aside from your noncommercial/attribution license, I'm genuinely curious to learn of your reasoning for going with 'no derivative'. I'm finding myself in a hypocritical trap when comparing my approach to photos vs music. (in terms of mashup culture).
- Mauricio
My 2 cents on the music vs. art thing as a former Music Industry minor. :) In the case of music, anyone can sample songs without the artist's ok, BUT they have to pay them a fee to use it. The artist can say "hey I don't like your stuff, don't use my music", but there is no legal way to stop it from happening if they go through the hoops to credit you for the sample and pay you royalties. (this info is 10 yrs old- dunno if things have changed since then). I'm not sure what rules apply to using art.
- Lorrianne Nault
Mauricio, the answer is simple, I just want them to contact me first. That way I have an idea of what's happening to my work. More importantly the license I use helps me protect the people in my photos. For instance, in this case she simply cut people out of my photos to use for her art.
- Scott Beale
Here's more from Rubin Starset, who contacted the artist. She first told him the prints were for sale, then after everything started to blow up, quickly changed her mind: http://rubin110.livejournal.com/511433...
- Scott Beale
In our modern environment where music is commonly shared - in theoretical violation of copyright and so forth - is it entirely unexpected that someone would go and share photographs with similar disregard? The difference here being that they're making money from it, I suspect. I license my photographs under CC non-commercial because I'd prefer to choose how they're used to make money. I chose the CC NC license in part because I have to accept that people will share my photos like candy - but not sell them!
- Richard Soderberg
Would this be something to potentially escalate and contact the chair of her department and such with? Not that we want to unduly punish someone over a misunderstanding, but our universities and educational institutions pride themselves on students and faculty not plagiarizing their works. While her use is derivative, it still seems to violate the principles of academia as well as the license of the original author.
- Dave Schumaker
(Follow up to my post immediately above) - That said, we're at 7+ hours and counting, and other than being cagey, she hasn't offered up a reasonable explanation yet.
- Dave Schumaker
For what it's worth, I totally support Scott's preference for non-derivative, but I thought the point had to be raised that there's a serious disconnect between what we consider okay vs. what we consider stealing. @dave schumaker - I really, REALLY don't understand what her employer or anyone else connected with her has to do with this.
- Neil Lee
I agree with Neil. Keep Pace out of this a her works are her personal works and not connected to the school she works for. Now the people who commisioned the Zombie performance are far game on the other hand. She is doing her zombie performance as a commisioned work and part of that is the prints and posters that use Scott's photos. So technically she is using his art to make money --...
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- CatCubed
I'm a bit surprised at people bringing up the music analogy. Derivative use of music is also NOT OK - it depends on the length, context, and how significantly it has been altered. You can bet that musicians who have a substantial piece of music ripped off and see others make money off it are not happy and will go after their rights. Better to get permission first.
- Laura Norvig
@raoul did i offend you? "troll"? i am an inventor of digital watermarks, i get it @susanbeebe i don't drink - my question is where does fair use begin - "confusingly similar" standard separate & apart - photographs of individuals is not so clear cut @laughingsquid howard austin feld did some of the same things with work for hire I paid for, so, I posed the question - if you had the ability to know the valued bits, eg, the bits that *caused* payment for the image, would you consider such a technology?
- Scott Moskowitz
@lauran you are correct - i included a person's voice in my long lost query - the permissions include the sound recording, song writer / publisher right, performance & mechanicals (relating to the publishing &/or song writer) depending on the intended use, fwiw ...
- Scott Moskowitz
Jillian Mcdonald http://tr.im/76d not terribly good stuff, but I'm not sure I have moral qualms with it in this day in age. just tonight I stole Tina Feys head right off Google
- Noah David Simon
speaking of the soon-to-be-Twittering Al Gore, here's a photo of him from last night with Current co-founder Joel Hyatt http://www.flickr.com/photos...
It seems as though McCain said way more than people thought. Pardon my language but in this video, it sounds like he said "bullshit" twice, "no shit", "scumbag" and "ass". Pretty crazy! Reminds me of Full Metal Jacket!
- Andrew Baron
The more I watch and listen to this, the more I can't believe it. :D
- Andrew Baron
Those mics were live. You could hear him rustling papers throughout the debate. You would have caught him blurting out such words. I call BS.
- Eric @ CSTechcast.com
@Vincent X, Nice, thanks for posting the Full Metal Jacket video, its a pretty amazing scene!
- Andrew Baron
I want a president who isn't afraid to say those things, though. :) You know, someone who tells whiners to "shut the fuck up" every once in a while?
- l0ckergn0me
@l0ckergn0me, lets just hope whoever it is doesn't have the nuclear codes in his hand when he starts losing his shit. :P
- Andrew Baron
Chris, like someone who will say "Chill the fuck out, I got this?"
- Kevin Bondelli
I guess that's what people have been saying to the FCC for years. This would probably constitute a major fine. Many others have paid more for saying less.
- Andrew Baron
Also, obviously it's cool to say sh*t behind closed doors, or informally like this, but not when you are in the middle of a formal debate on national TV, running for president of the US, trying to set a good example for all the families out there that have young kids who have decided not to have foul language in their homes.
- Andrew Baron
Yes, there's a beta of a new Twinkle in testing now.
- Robert Scoble
When can we expect to see this new version? and yes, twinkle on Facebook would be nice too.
- Bob Blunk
Twinkle is awesome but it needs a couple more things to be perfect. The ability to group friend messages a la Twittelator. I mean a button, not a checkbox deep in the preferences. This should be changable on the fly. It needs a delete feature a la Twittelator, and the ability to follow @user links. I'd like some way of requesting the location update a la Twitterific for when the first...
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- Ernie Oporto
Brandon: yeah, this is a few weeks old. I went back on Thursday and learned they have a new beta in testing that's very cool and will be out soon.
- Robert Scoble