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Ρε παιδιά, ο Σημίτης γιατί φοράει ακουστικά; Δυσκολεύεται στα ελληνικά; :P #acropolisfail
Chris Zlatis, endiaferon and Manos Matsakis liked this
οχι του μεταφραζουν στα Κινεζικα...
- Demetrios the Traveller
Κρίμα που δεν έχει like για τα comments! Φοβερό το σχόλιό σου Δημήτηρη :)
- Vasos Kassianidis
χιχιχι και η γαλοπουλα μεσα στην χαρα με το μπορδοροδικοκκινοπερδιγαλι...
- Demetrios the Traveller
μα καλά...είναι δυνατόν?? χαχαχαχαχαχα
- Manos Matsakis
We started including FriendFeed subscriber counts when we crawl your blog's feed - http://blog.friendfeed.com/2009...
Amarnath Prabhakar, HealingBrush, Ruben Sanchez and 184 other people liked this
This means that, if you use a service FeedBurner, your subscriber totals will include FriendFeed subscribers in addition to subscriber counts from Google Reader, Bloglines, etc. For a lot of people like me, this will be a pretty significant boost in your overall subscriber numbers.
- Bret Taylor
from Bookmarklet
This is great! Thanks!
- Stephen Mack
Not sure why it is called "friendfeedagg" right now :) We will ask them to make the name a bit friendlier, but the stats are there nonetheless.
- Bret Taylor
What service did Kevin use to make that pie chart in the example?
- Stephen Mack
Thanks again to the FeedBurner team for working with us on this one - they were incredibly responsive and great to work with.
- Bret Taylor
Stephen: the chart comes from FeedBurner ( http://feedburner.google.com/fb...)
- Bret Taylor
from email
Very interesting !
- Farzad
Great!
- تنهاترین انجل
You can add your blog to your FriendFeed profile (if it isn't already there) at http://friendfeed.com/setting...
- Bret Taylor
not sure if i like it...
- Zio Bonino
There is a problem. My followers on FriendFeed follow all my feeds, not only my blog. So the "attention focus" is different between one user that follows directly my blog via RSS and an user that follows all about me. Two different counts in the main page of FeedBurner, RSS and FF, would be great.
- Alessandro Di Nicola
and for the reach stats? it's crawled?
- Felter Roberto
I'm not sure this was the right thing to do. Yes, there are 200 people subscribed to me on friendfeed, and my blog entries fly by in their feed. But from the Google Analytics stats, there are essentially no referrals from friendfeed to actually read the blog posts. Someone who subscribes to the blog RSS feed can be said to have an intent to actually read the blog, A subscriber on friendfeed doesn't necessarily have such an intent.
- DGentry
Unfortunately I suspect we'll see a TechCrunch article soon about "How To Inflate Your Subscriber Numbers Using friendfeed.com!" Edit: like the one they wrote about netvibes http://www.techcrunch.com/2008...
- DGentry
I agree with DGentry and Alessandro, this may not be a good idea. The problem could occur when Twitter and Facebook start reporting subscribers in the same way. This could start a very bad trend.
- Rob Diana
Hmm, I'm not sure if I like that. It surely inflates the subscriber-stats for the Feedburner-Feeds.
- Marcel Weiß
I think this is a disaster for feedburner. I publish a full feed from my blog so subscribers get the same content they would have if they visited the site. I can lump that into traffic as if they were a site visitor. But friendfeed merely publishes a headline so those friend feed subscribers have a very different experience than the ordinary RSS or email subscribers. In looking at recent traffic, only 10 referrals out of 7,000 came from friendfeed.
- Doug Cornelius
I agree - I am not loving this for my feedburner stats, seems not quite right. To me it seems like FF subs are subscribing less to my blog feed and more to me and my general commentary/presence on FF. It seems a little inflationary for rss sub numbers. I prefer to keep them separate, rss subs and ff subs.
- felix
but feedburner shown who "WANT" read our feed o who CAN read it? i think the second. And now it's the same. :)
- Felter Roberto
I'm awaiting Louis Gray's opinion. I think he had 8,500 RSS subscribers before, and now has 13,814. Which is the more accurate representation of the number of regular readers of louisgray.com ?
- DGentry
perhaps is better crawl blog's feed really show in FF. If i go out and my pc in off all the day, my google reader don't read any feed e my ff don't show me any message, Feedburner count me for FF and don't for google reader. And tomorrow, when i turn on my pc, my google reader download all the feed and i can read also the post of the day before, but FF show me only the last message and i lose all of the post.
- Felter Roberto
Whoa, awesome!! FriendFeed rocks! :) My new blog at http://susanbeebe.com now has a huge potential for additional subscribers due to this great new feature FF just added, THANK YOU! :)
- Susan Beebe
Wow my subscribers just jumped up 3000%
- Ralph Whitbeck
What's done can not be theoretically undone - so if this is the way it is, it should stay, or our one-time blips will look odd, won't they? DGentry, I don't know if I am in love with it. I think Rob is right in terms of it rendering the number meaningless. I've been excited to see my numbers go from 5,000 to 8,000 naturally (I guess) in the last two months. This means I can't celebrate that jump.
- Louis Gray
Doug said: "But friendfeed merely publishes a headline so those friend feed subscribers have a very different experience than the ordinary RSS or email subscribers." A lot of people use Google Reader in list view, which is *almost* the same thing as just seeing a title. There's no way to differentiate between those subscribers and ones which see the full content. Or subscribers that choose to mark all your items as read or just ignore them without even looking at the titles.
- Tony Ruscoe
For Louis, I guess the saving grace here is that you can see the breakdown in FeedBurner and choose to ignore FriendFeed if you wish. That means you can still watch your "normal" subscriber numbers climb and celebrate hitting 8,000 subscribers naturally. (You just can't share that number in a chicklet...)
- Tony Ruscoe
Tony: agreed these issues already exist for RSS subscription counts, and for web based readers such as gReader users could be counted even if completely inactive
- Mike Chelen
If someone subscribes to me on FriendFeed but also subscribes via other means - are those deduped or do they essentially get counted twice?
- AJ Kohn
AJ, I assume yes.
- Louis Gray
They get double counted, naturally.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
from IM
What if more than one user has the same feed, like Philipp and I do for the Google Blogoscoped blog feed? Does that add together both of our subscriber totals? And does it include all the subscribers for all the groups where it's been added too? (Cross-posted from http://ff.im/47QNJ.)
- Tony Ruscoe
One clear flaw of this is that my wife's blog at http://www.thegrayeffect.com, says it now has more than 9,300 readers, up from 50 yesterday. That's clearly wrong.
- Louis Gray
This is very bad! Of course I'd like higher numbers of RSS subscribers but this is a fake number. Please consider this again...
- Marko Saric
Louis I think thats the general problem: when someone subscribes to you on ff, are they also a subscriber to you on every one of the services you import? You import thegrayeffect.com as an RSS feed, and you have 9270 subscribers here, therefore thegreyeffect.com has 9270 new readers. More broadly, does a subscriber to the aggregate feed also count as a subscriber to every individual component of that feed? Or is the sum greater than the individual parts?
- DGentry
I saw a huge jump in subscribers today. I thought that Feedburner was broken. This explains it.
- Gary
Tony and Louis, the multi-author blog is one of those feeds that causes problems. I did not like this to start, and I am beginning to think I like it even less.
- Rob Diana
I hope Twitter and others don't get the same idea...
- Marko Saric
Hummm. As much as I like the idea, it seems destined to provide incentive for people to beg for subscribers here on FriendFeed which is exactly the behavior that I seek to avoid, and has been generally devoid on FriendFeed to date. It rewards FriendFeed usage and - as such - helps FriendFeed grow but ... is it the *right* growth?
- AJ Kohn
OK. Now I understood why my Feedburner count was inflated. I think, this is not a right thing to do.
- Krishnamoorthy
I actually REALLY dislike this A LOT. My subscriber count was a great measuring stick for me and also a solid indication of how many people -might- actually be reading my content. The vast majority of my subscribers here aren't reading my blog. It's very misleading and makes the RSS subscriber count a lot more meaningless to me.
- Ryan Stephens
Rob, one of the oddities here is that FriendFeed shows more than 9,000 adds to TheGrayEffect, but only about 5,000 to louisgray.com. That may be due to deduplication, but it is certainly odd.
- Louis Gray
howtomakemyblog: Twitter and Friendfeed are in this regard completely different services and I therefor don't see any way in which Twitter could do something like this. But Jaiku might do it.
- Horst Gutmann
from IM
I'm wondering, though: are people who hide the blog feed substracted from the number of subscribers?
- Horst Gutmann
from IM
The easy fix is to disconnect my blog feed from FriendFeed. Otherwise the subscriber numbers are useless. --- So I did. That seems like a bad result for FriendFeed.
- Doug Cornelius
Wow Doug, you chose Feedburner stat purity over FF conversations? That's pretty surprising to me. I suppose you can always tweet your posts into FF if you really want 'em to show up.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
from IM
I just deleted my blog feed from FriendFeed... it's a stupid change really... fake, inflated numbers... it's much easier to get a FriendFeed subscriber than a real RSS subscriber. And also a real RSS subscriber is much more likely to take a look at your article than a FriendFeed one.... spammers that want to boost their RSS subscriber numbers will love this though!
- Marko Saric
I can't help but notice that Marko and Doug have 350ish FF comments each. I suppose that shades your perception of this change in a different way than it might for someone who - like me - has orders of magnitude more FF comments than blog posts.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Daniel, the fact that they have a smaller comment count should be concerning to FriendFeed because those are the users they need to keep. People like myself and more active users are not going anywhere.
- Rob Diana
HAHAH - now i see what happened - i don't use my feedburner feed here for CN - but for my other sites I do - so now I see I got about 2,000-2,500 bump for those feeds today - yea, like 2,500 people coming to insidetransit every day - i wish! as Rob says, these numbers are meaningless and shouldn't be reported this way. just like the other "defaults" on some of the other services like google reader. mystery solved.
- Allen Stern
Oh yeah I'm not saying FF should keep the feature as is - it's misleading at best - just that I was surprised that anyone values their Feedburner count over their FF stream's purity.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
from IM
So who's really at fault here? FF for taking advantage of Feedburner's poor implementation of subscriber counts or Feedburner for offering the possibility?
- Daniel J. Pritchett
from IM
Do you think FriendFeed had any idea there would be this many people talking about it?
- Rob Diana
So is it better to turn it off altogether or to make it a toggleable feature that users can choose to use or abuse at their discretion?
- Daniel J. Pritchett
from IM
@Rob - Who knows what FF expected, but it's really cool to see discussion evolving around this in a live FF thread. People are being mostly civil and constructive and it's all happening right here on the FF thread. I guarantee you FF HQ is reading this and staying hands off for a few hours until they can figure out a solid response.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
from IM
Instead of deleting your blog feed from FriendFeed, you could just provide FriendFeed with your actual feed URL instead of the FeedBurner one. (I don't think the feed URL actually gets published anywhere by FriendFeed, does it?)
- Tony Ruscoe
daniel - you cant do that - then x blog says "we have y subs" while z blog says "we have a subs" and x gets the ad deal because they have more subs, etc. sadly advertisers and agencies still don't get that the number is meaningless.
- Allen Stern
@Allen - Most of us here aren't directly making money off of subscriber counts, but I appreciate that this would be an issue of great importance to you.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Daniel: No matter how active you are on FriendFeed, if you think a FriendFeed subscriber is just as valuable to your blog as your RSS subscriber, you are fooling yourself. And I am talking about value to your blog as that is what RSS subscriber number represents, not about relationships / conversations etc. you might have wit hyour "subscriber" on FriendFeed...
- Marko Saric
I think my Friendfeed network is more valuable to me than my blog's readership, but I still keep the blog around for the few unique things it can offer me: A well-developed body of work to point to in professional situations, google juice, and a place to share long-form ideas.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
from IM
So if I could get Robert Scoble, Jason Calacanis and Leo Laporte to add my post-every-six months blog to their feeds, does that mean Feedburner would show I have 100K subscribers?
- Ken Sheppardson
This will definitely be abused by spammers who will use it as an opportunity to inflate their RSS numbers and make their blogs seem more important to potential advertisers, readers, subscribers etc who are unaware of this FriendFeed change.
- Marko Saric
Jason Calacanis To Pay Friendfeed $200,000 For Spot on Suggested Users List
- Daniel J. Pritchett
from IM
+1 Daniel
- Allen Stern
There's no reason Twitter couldn't turn around and do the same thing, right? Heck, they could set up a service to automatically tweet your RSS feed over to Twitter on your behalf, then just add the number of Twitter subscribers you have to their stats. I think this is more a Feedburner fail than a FriendFeed issue.
- Ken Sheppardson
Seems like maybe somebody took all the "Have you ditched Google Reader for FriendFeed" threads the wrong way... hm.
- Ken Sheppardson
What about making this optional per feed?
- Horst Gutmann
from IM
Ken, right now Twitter doesn't request any feeds though. Those numbers get into FeedBurner by FriendFeed providing a subscriber count in the USER_AGENT header when they request the feed.
- Tony Ruscoe
It seems logical to me that you're counting people and not tools.
- Mistletoe Glen
I'm surprised Feedburner agreed to this. Next Twitter will ask that followers on their service count as readership.
- Aviv
Aviv - that presumes that FF and FB had a discussion about this. It reads to me like FB always allowed polling agents to specify a subscriber count via their API and that the FF team just decided to change the way they utilize that feature.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
from IM
If someone subscribes to your blog feed using Google Reader, it doesn't mean they read it. Likewise, if someone subscribes to your FriendFeed, they may or may not read your blog posts. Subscriber numbers are all about reach. I see no difference between FriendFeed and Google Reader. Your subscribers see what you're posting and decide whether they want to read it. Using web analytics...
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- Tony Ruscoe
tony +1
- Horst Gutmann
from IM
Tony, you're right about RSS subscribers being able to skip over your posts at will but there's still a disctinction to be made between subscribing directly to a blog feed (traditional) versus subscribing to the totality of a person's shared activity (friendfeed). The former implies an explicit interest in the blog, the latter does not. Moreover FF makes it trivial for a user to subscribe to a person and then perma-hide their blog posts if for example you like talking to Louis Gray but not about his blog.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
from IM
Tony, you have to agree that subscribing on Google Reader means at the very least that right now, at the time of adding that subscription, you have the intention of reading future blog posts. But with FF, I don't think I'm even aware of blogs maintained by 90% of the people I'm subscribed to.
- Aviv
VERY cool.
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
Daniel, Aviv, good points. But I think that by subscribing to a person, you're generally interested in them and what they have to say. Blogs are merely a subset of that person. The big problem for me is that there's no way to verify that you own a blog feed, so (I think) it will inflate your subscribers if it's added to multiple user accounts and groups even without your permission.
- Tony Ruscoe
To put it another way, should anyone in your field care that your mom reads your blog? We all know she's just doing it because she loves you, not because your blog is so gosh darned wonderful. FF subscribers in FB stats are the same thing - people like *you* and while that might carry over to a limited interest in your blog it certainly doesn't imply that many of them have ever read it.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
from IM
I subscribe to blogs of people I know because of who they are (in addition to blogs which interest me) even if I'm not particularly interested in the subject they write about just in case they write something I like. The fact that I know them and like them as a person often means we've got at least one thing in common. And vice versa. I like reading lots of my FriendFeed subscriptions' blogs but I've never subscribed in Google Reader, so FriendFeed is currently the only way they can see me as a statistic.
- Tony Ruscoe
Fb must count only the number of post link shown on FF, exactly how count how much feed google reader download from the blog. it's different that to use the contact number at all. it's possible? i don't know
- Felter Roberto
from twhirl
Innovative. I don't use FeedBurner on my blog, so not seeing the effect. Still relying on the Google Reader count of subscribers.
- Hutch Carpenter
Yet another great reason for a blogger to invest time in the friendfeed community!
- Garin Kilpatrick
So ... if I convince other people to use my blog as one of their fed items, then I pick up the amount of people who are subscribed to them as well? Or create a new account and put a few different blogs on it and get people to subscribe. Or 'trade' a feed for a feed with others to boost each other's counts? The more I think about this, the more I dislike it.
- AJ Kohn
Hmm nice. Just jumped from about 5 to 148 with tobiasverhoog.com I do think though that friendfeeders may read my feed differently than subscribers via Google Reader or another feedreader.
- TobiasVerhoog.com
Uh, maybe it's because I have not had my coffee but where do I see this shiny chart? Friendfeed? Feedburner?
- Rick Cogley
Rick: you can see it in FeedBurner
- Bret Taylor
from email
Bret: thanks. Yes indeed it's there. :-)
- Rick Cogley
and another thing to add onto what Daniel has been saying: hides. if I have 10 FF subscribers but 3 of them are hiding my blog entries, does it report the subscriber to Feedburner as 10, or 7? if it's the former, then the Feedburner stats become really inflated.
- chrisofspades
also, there's nothing in FriendFeed that stops me from importing someone else's blog, which means I can artificially inflate their Feedburner stats without them even knowing I did it. seems ripe for gaming, to me.
- chrisofspades
Right, Chris. As I have 9,000 potential to add to you, I'll start selling slots for $9k.
- Louis Gray
as enticing as that is Louis, I don't have a blog ;)
- chrisofspades
how does it know to link it to your feedburner?
- Gary
Gary, first of all you need to be using FeedBurner for your blog feed. Each time FF requests your feed, they include the number of subscribers in the user agent string. FeedBurner then uses that number to include in the stats for your feed. (If you don't use FeedBurner, you'll still be able to see the stats in your web logs each time your feed is requested.)
- Tony Ruscoe
from fftogo
If people are being exposed to my blog headlines, no matter if it’s on an RSS reader or FriendFeed, they should be counted as potential audience. At the end of the day, the much more important metric to measure is the actual visits to your blog and how often they visit afer that. I've posted some thoughts about it here http://bit.ly/N0jQc
- Jorge Escobar
So that's what happened....
- Spot us
New Facebook Is Missing Many Things. Most Importantly, Apps - http://mashable.com/2009...
Manos Matsakis, mjc, xero and 2 other people liked this
"Before anyone gets me wrong, I know that everything that was in the old Facebook, prior to the latest redesign, is still there. But it’s less visible; so much so that I’d go so far that many of Facebook’s features are rendered useless. I intentionally waited a couple of days before assessing the new Facebook; I wanted to give myself some time to get accustomed to it. After all, despite a huge community backlash to the major redesign of 2008, I was thrilled about it and found it much better than the previous iteration. I’m afraid I cannot say the same about the new design."
- Kol Tregaskes
from Bookmarklet
Couldn't agree more. Plus the intermingling of advertising with news in the "highlights" section, which takes up about a third of the screen, has me ignoring EVERYTHING in that section.
- Kevin Pedraja
I love it Open Random Supportive (ORS)
- Thomas Power
VC Freak, Louis Gray, Manos Matsakis and Vinko liked this
beta version of this
- MG Siegler
new service to share your iwork documents with other people
- MG Siegler
damn apple is coming after google today huh?
- MG Siegler
iwork.com is down
- Nate True
finally competition to Google Docs?
- Vinko
view docs online, adds comments, notes, etc
- MG Siegler
download a copy in multiple formats
- MG Siegler
Hmmmm...now this collaboration thang might just be the killer
- Mario Camou
...it took me to the apple iwork page...
- JA Castillo
Ribbbidddeeedoooo!
- bravestface
Competition to Google Docs... but do you have to pay to use it?
- Susan
just tried the URL, it is pointing to Apple's iWork product page
- Vinko
beta vinko, beta :)
- MG Siegler
no word on payment yet susan
- MG Siegler
i would bet no, you just pay for iwork -- my guess
- MG Siegler
if they charge it won't work (for the online part i mean)
- MG Siegler
iwork.com redirects to Apple's iWork product page...which still talks about iwork '08
- Mario Camou
well, no competition for google docs then, if you can't edit the docs online.
- Susan
@MG - nice of you to qualify that! ;)
- JA Castillo
not that anyone is using GDocs for that purpose either :)
- Ross Rader
iWork dot com just sounds like eRoom or SharePoint for Doc sharing
- Brian Roy
but you can edit online with iwork.com
- randy stewart
Good sync with iPhone and I might switch from GDocs to this
- Mickey Mellen
I second the iPhone sync
- Shane Sveller
Will this be free for those of us that are Mobileme subs?
- bravestface
The collaboration thing could've been the killer...but only if it was editable...view only? not a chance
- Mario Camou
@bravestface I sure hope they make iWork.com free or bundled with MobileMe
- Vinko
@Vinko - agreed, but history tells me not to hold out hope!
- JA Castillo
whoops... ok, you can't edit online, only leave comments. hmmm....definitely feels half there.
- randy stewart
"One more thing...the third thing"???? Come on!
- Mario Camou
...yeah, bit of a killjoy, that one...
- JA Castillo
Yeah, we want more!!!
- Vinko
From Gizmodo: Customers can sign up free for the beta, but it will be a fee-based service once iWork.com launches.
- JA Castillo
Can someone pls contact Google (maps) & have them fix this http://maps.google.com/maps... ? "Πάροδος" αντί για το σωστό "οδός", αλλά και "Λεωφόρος Λυκούργου" "Λεωφόρος Ερμού" "Λεωφόρος Αδριανού" "Πλατεία Μητροπώλεως" κ.α. Το έχουν κάνει για όλες τις πόλεις???
Manos Matsakis liked this
Inside Facebook » Notes from Mark Zuckerberg at Future of Web Apps Expo in London - http://www.insidefacebook.com/2008...
Kol Tregaskes, Manos Matsakis, Mike Fruchter and 7 other people liked this
"Mark talked about his loose theory of a “Moore’s Law” for content sharing: the amount of sharing that goes on is growing exponentially over time. Asked about Open Auth, Open ID and other standards initiatives, the view expressed was very much along the lines of not having done it yet as opposed to not wanting to follow open standards at all. Mark’s view of Facebook as it stands was that “It’s more closed than we want it to be.” However, he believes Facebook’s implementation of things such as the Platform APIs and FBML are more developed than their open standard equivalents. Asked if he would build Facebook (or any web application) the same today as he did four years ago he said no, especially given advances in cloud computing and the availability of other sites-as-platforms."
- Mona Nomura
from Bookmarklet
Before all this crap, why can't they 1. clean up the UI to make it load faster. Too much script and our browsers can't keep up!! and 2. enable messaging privacy options, wtf!
- Mona Nomura
good points, Mona!! except that i think they just have to put the old version of FB back cause a mere clean up of the new UX wont cut it :)
- Hayk H.
At last, Flickr optimized for iPhone — http://m.flickr.com/
Alan Le, Manos Matsakis, Martin Bryant and 8 other people liked this
Finally, an excuse to use my Ipod( other than music playing)
- Terence
Twitter totally kicked FriendFeed's a** when I needed some info today. Twitter FTW?
Jeff (the マクダジ of FF), Susan Beebe, Richard pancakhaus Walker and 11 other people liked this
that is surprising
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
Definitely surprising.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
@torque: see tweet below...totally ignored on FF...lots of feedback on Twitter!
- Sarah Perez
Someone screenshot this post. THIS IS HISTORY!
- Outsanity
lol
- Yolanda
not surprised. my twitter activity is really going 'back up' again in the last month :)
- DC Crowley
Ask not what FriendFeed can do for you but ask what you can do for FriendFeed.
- Robert Scoble
Hi Sarah: A lot of people hide Tweets since "@reply" floods clutter our main feeds. Try posting natively, I'm sure you would've gotten tons of responses. ;)
- Mona Nomura
not at all surprising. most of my requests for help here go ignored. only one questions answered (thank you Vincent X) out of many. Twitter, always comes through.
- Admiral Anika
@Robert good point. Highlights the differences between the two services quite clearly. Twitter people are always happy to answer quick questions (aka Twitter polls), FF'ers like to engage in discussions. I am right?
- Sarah Perez
Yeah, most people hide Tweets. Expecting responses from them is almost madness. They are too plentiful and usually useless out of context.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
The only thing we have to FriendFeed is FriendFeed itself.
- Mark Trapp
@MOna ++ and also if you post too many tweets right next to each other time-wise, they get a "more..." on most feeds, so no one sees it.
- anna sauce
@Rasheen @Mona So FF'ers essentially ignore/hide Tweets now? Interesting. I don't do that. Am I the only one?
- Sarah Perez
Sarah - A lot of people hide all Twitter feeds on FriendFeed. Also, that question has been asked quite a few times on FriendFeed...if only friendfeed made their search a bit useful. Robert Scoble started this thread awhile back: http://friendfeed.com/e... [update: how long did it take me to write this...apparently 3 people got their "tweets are hidden" in before me. HA!]
- Justin Korn
@Justin Thanks for the link. That's helpful. Should have known it's been done. But I was hoping for some more super-fresh apps. It's been like...3 weeks since that post. lol
- Sarah Perez
and I think the FriendFeed groups aren't helping -- I wonder if that's why Twitter hasn't enabled those... and also there has to be some sort of @ notification when one of your posts gets replies... come on FF!!
- Jorge Escobar
Why are people hiding tweets on friendfeed? hrmph... That's how I post most of my stuff
- LarchOye
Not surprising at all. Twitter really has most of my attention atm. Now if Tweetdeck added friendfeed I'd be all over it.
- Tris Hussey
sarah i don't do hide tweets. it's seems a waste of time when you can just scroll by. if something catches my eye, it's not that hard to click a link to get context. EDITED: i lied. i hid all gtalk updates. that just seems like a ridiculously pointless feed.
- Admiral Anika
@LarchOye I'm disappointed to hear that as well. I thought it was a nice way to interact between the 2 services. But if the heaviest of FF'ers hide tweets, then well, isn't FF becoming a bit isolated?
- Sarah Perez
Lurch, because most of us more likely use Ping.fm so that would make too much noise for a message for the same thing you posting on FF
- Outsanity
I only hide tweets of people who are high-frequency tweeters with a low S/N, but most of the time tweets with likes/comments are not hidden.
- LogEx
Sarah and Larch - it's a matter of balance. It seems most people don't know how to control multiple postings, so they post something with Ping.fm say and it post to Twitter and FriendFeed. That means I see it twice. It's an annoyance. I do have Tweets show up that have likes and/or comments, but my scrolling patterns seem to ignore them :)
- Justin Korn
@Sarah Perez - Yeah I use Ping.fm to post to twitter, plurk, and facebook, and I use friendfeed to read everyone else's posts and such... Seems like the best way to do it for me
- LarchOye
@Outsanity - I use Ping.fm, but I don't post to FF with it, I just post to twitter... Maybe I'll have to change that around. The problem is, that I want my stuff posted to both, and I don't want to miss things from users that only use twitter... BAH
- LarchOye
Your experiences will vary from the top 20 actives who all seem to believe Twitter on FriendFeed is the devil. It's hard to come up with a representative sample of performance off of a single tweet: for example, I've had no problems getting people to respond to my tweets, even if they are inane. If you're engaging your audience and consistently and reasonably following up with comments, people find your stuff.
- Mark Trapp
Sarah, I bet the reason for this is that you only asked your question via Twitter, and many here likely block Twitter in most cases. If you asked your question via internal message, like this, everyone would see it.
- Louis Gray
I basically use Ping.fm to post to everywhere, including FriendFeed. I want my posts here to be instant because I'm always here, but I monitor everything (usually). I use Ping.fm for stuff that might start a discussion, which is why I send to FF directly. Bits of Twitter/Identi.ca/Plurk/Jaiku whatever discussion are usually useless. That's why I hide them, unless someone I follow thinks they are worth a look.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
@louis yep. that's what Mona suggested. But I didn't realize how many ppl block tweets. Not liking.
- Sarah Perez
Allow me to also point out that this has been suggested in most of the early posts written about FF when it first got popular a few months ago. If the people that subscribe to you on FF are into Twitter, they will probably carry your tweets by Liking/commenting them, but otherwise...they will probably just disappear
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
Sarah: Also, take into account what Anna said. Sometimes, Tweets are grouped: http://img.skitch.com/2008100... (Screen Shot from someone who never comes to FriendFeed). And even if most of the information you aggregate into FriendFeed is via Twitter, if you pop in throughout the day to respond, people will notice as well. Like this: http://img.skitch.com/2008100... :)
- Mona Nomura
Sorry I hide all tweets. I think if you've posted natively to FF, the response would've been much different like Mona stated.
- Alan Le
@Mona: I engage on FriendFeed in chunks of time 2-3x per day (usually)...I go back and like/comment on stuff that I may have missed earlier. I do this because I need to have more structure in order to get my work done. The most active FF'ers seem to pop in and out all day. Does that mean I'm not engaged according to FF standards?
- Sarah Perez
Okay now that I'm starting to notice it, the @reply shit IS really annoying... FF should fix it so they come in as comments with their original post
- LarchOye
I'm an auto-post from Twitter to FF guy who reads FF on Twhirl guy. I like both.
- Douglas Karr
from twhirl
There are no standards or rules, Sarah! If you're engaged, then people will take notice. If they don't, it's most likely because of Tweet grouping. :)
- Mona Nomura
I love twitter AND FriendFeed... what can I say? they both are really good, but FF definitely wins on the stability, scalability and community aspects.
- Susan Beebe
Css3.gr, το νέο ελληνικό project - http://apas.gr/2008...
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thanx για το Like αλλά και για το share :-)
- Apostolos Papadopoulos
Goodbye z.feedly.favorites and z.feedly.seeded - http://edwink.devhd.com/2008...
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Most excellent! TY Edwin. (Not that it's a real issue if you just stay in Feedly.)
- Kevin Gamble
Why? I used those folders! Some of us can't operate entirely within Feedly for reasons to do with our workflow. I found those folders to be of particular value in Google Reader precisely because I can't be in Feedly all the time. Please clarify the rationale for the change if possible. Maybe there's something I'm missing?
- Jill O'Neill
Thank you Edwin!
- Charlie Anzman
Hi Jill. We learnt over the last 3 months that people feel very passionately about their google reader and some small number saw those tags as pollution. After doing some additional research we found that we could with some extra work make the integration more transparent/respectful hence this change. If you let me know which folders you use, I will talk to the team and see if we could build a preference knob where you could opt-in and regenerate them. Sorry for the inconvenience.
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Looks like I might be giving Feedly another chance. Nice work Edwin
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
Shey. please wait a little more until we migrate out of the z.feedly.people.
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Will do Edwin, thanks for the heads up :)
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
Great news, this should help increase adoption
- Bwana ☠
I have to remind myself to leave feedly long enough to load the updated versions. Tremendous work Edwin, thank you.
- michael sean wright
Great job Edwin. Keep the cool enhancements coming
- Neill Adamson
Thanks for all the kind works everyone!
- Edwin Khodabakchian
I believe that feedly is an extremely useful and cool addon... it can get really big soon but I am not using it because of the Google Reader additions. I use Google reader from my iPhone, other computers etc and I really don't like the extra "feeds" that although they are useful for feedly they are not practical in other cases. This is the reason I don't use feedly now and when z.feedly.people is removed I will try again!
- Manos Matsakis
Manos. This is a good summary of what we have heard from active google reader users and the reason why we are working on the change. Please give us 2 more weeks and z.feedly.people will be migrated as well.
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Feedly is becoming more and more polished with every version being introduced - I must admit lately I havent had the time to be as addicted to my RSS feeds as before so I tend to dip in and out of usually my favourites in Feedly but I can see that I could easily immerse myself for hours trying to play catchup on my feeds...sterling work.
- David W
Mystery solved: Apple’s new product is iTablet | The Apple Core | ZDNet.com - http://blogs.zdnet.com/Apple...
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Real?
- Edwin Khodabakchian
from Bookmarklet
Seems to be the consensus. Wouldn't that be great?
- michael sean wright
that would indeed be nice...specially if the firefox team gets to reflect the multi-touch APIs in the DHTML model the way safari does! I think that it would completely change the way kids interact with computers.
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Either way, I can see Star Trek style UI *Interaction* before the end of my life :)
- Yuvi
WOWOWOWOWOWOWOWOWOW
- l0ckergn0me
First off, it's not going to be an iTablet. Second off...please no no no no no no no no. I've been saying for years that if Apple came out with a tablet, I'd buy it the day it went on sale; but I just bought a spec'd out MacBook Pro! I can't afford this! Not now! But looking back at my "first off", I've calmed down a bit. :)
- James (@willia4)
That mockup is damned sexy though.
- James (@willia4)
Since Apple's products just have 1 syllable after the "i" - iMac, iPod, iPhone - it won't be called iTablet. My guess: iPad ;-)
- Alexander Ebel
What I really want to see is a new line of MBPs, but this does look interesting.
- Anthony Citrano
I thought there was one already?
- Outsanity
iTab
- Outsanity
Or "MacTab"
- Outsanity
The ModBook but I thought I read that Apple was going after them causing the iTablet rumors to gained momentum.
- ·[▪_▪]·
macbooks will definitely be upgraded. whether it's in the form of a touchsceen is yet to be confirmed, but it kinda of leans that way
- Cee Bee
they don't know any better than the rest of us what's coming so shouldn't be using factual sounding headlines like this. stop whoring for pageviews. besides, it's just plain mean if this isn't true.
- Jon Price
I am sill hoping for a UMPC from them. I was one of the Newton lovers. :)
- Aura Mae
Tablet should be a function, not a device. IMO
- Jeremy Chone
Jeremy: you have become a philosopher!
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Going to Facebook later today to interview devs about the new site design, connect, and feeds. Wanna know anything? I might do a Qik too.
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Yes please, can we have friend feed show up like the old design?
- michael sean wright
why the script so often chokes in FF3? / where's the widescreen support
- Richard Lawler
from twhirl
I'd like to be able to search for a url.
- Shawn McCollum
Is simpler integration/aggregation of users' OTHER social media in the cards?
- Dave Roth
it would be nice to be able to cut and paste an email address from a contact rather than have to retype it in every time.
- Thomas Hawk
when are they going to fix the messaging features - private message handling is not great in facebook.
- Morgan
When will FB allow users to export their own attention stream? (ie the newsfeed about them)
- Sean Ammirati
ask them when will they change their stupid TOS to stop being so unethical
- Marcos Marado
their notes/blogging platform is very old skool. when will that be upgraded to allow import of photos,video,etc..?
- Randy Ksar
Why do something like Connect when there things like OpenSocial and OAuth that do the same? I understand not using OpenSocial, but OAuth is a fairly generic authentication/authorization standard. Do we really need another proprietary one?
- Rob Diana
Why can't I only see those people that I have not sent a fan page or group invite too? Why can't I segment by network on that screen like I can for an application invite?
- C.C. Chapman
Ask them who it is that has the secret crush on me!
- Greg Lowe
i don't follow Facebook stuff closely, so maybe this has been answered ... offhand, i'd be interested in whether there's any plan to adapt Facebook policy for international markets (ie, allowing greater anonymity in Japan), and if not, what other plans they might have to overcome that sort of hurdle (if any).
- idnan
I second the Firefox 3 problems. Links on the new layout die more than half the time.
- Sean O
Are they planning on giving more importance to video distribution on the platform?
- xavier vespa
I would want to know how users could export more of their personal information to make backup of it.
- Daniel Schildt
And yes, they need to change TOS so they don't own every photo people add to their profiles.
- Daniel Schildt
They should also fix chat and add support fox visible logs for it (or option to avoid logging) like Google does with Gtalk inside Gmail.
- Daniel Schildt
Can we expect OpenId kind of features in the future? Can they also be used by third party websites that have nothing to do with facebook?
- Corné Wielemaker
Ask them also if they would do mindmap styled diagram that would show your connections and how each of them are connected to other people you know. Some sort of interactivity in that (if made with JavaScript or Flash) could allow quite great learning experience as you could find out much easier who knows who. There are some third party apps that do that kind of stuff, but I don't personally trust them that much.
- Daniel Schildt
a) how long will they keep the "classic" design available and b) how many people are choosing the new design?
- Laura Norvig
Ask why Facebook Mobile doesn't support T-Mobile.
- Jeff Lopes
When they finalize transfer of people to new design and how long they keep the old one around? Does old design make apps developement more difficult when compared to new one? What changes they recommend for people making add-ons for Facebook? Are apps going to have more reasonable privacy restrictions to not get access to all info?
- Daniel Schildt
livecast.com works good on my windows mobile for all you winmo users out there
- Tyler Gillies
Does the new design increase or decrease traffic to applications?
- Jamie Ginsberg
How could users add more customized fields to their info tab in profile (and would that make Facebook more bloated)?
- Daniel Schildt
do they plan on allowing video streaming etc in the future AND will they come out with their own FacebookIM client for the desktop
- Travis Cooper
When will they add photo commenting (and viewing of photo comments) to the iphone and mobile web interfaces?
- Andrew Fielding
Can you ask their Chief Privacy Officer to take phone calls from reporters?
- Andrew Feinberg
Why does their site degrade to a blank page when javascript is turned off?
- Brandon Titus
I hate being held hostage in an email thread listening to unending chatter from people I don't know and don't care to know. And can the apps under "Boxes" be made collapsible? It's like a dumping ground for useless apps now, I hardly go there. I keep those apps for peeps who can't live a day without poking me. And yeah, the blogging feature needs a major upgrade. Wait, their TOS gives them rights to my profile pictures? What the...
- Carolyn Chan
answer this honestly - who out there uses their laptops in the loo (bathroom)...?
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I can honestly say I have never done that.
- Candace
not I
- Todd Jordan
I just came out the bathroom with my laptop.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
It's the reason why I set up a wi-fi network at home.
- Morton Fox
Lol if you even use computer when taking a shit, then you should really think to stop computer cold turkey .....
- alfred westerveld
yup - i have many times
- Morgan
but @alfred - think about the productivity side! :)
- Zee.
errr.. do I have to answer?
- embee
um, mobile browsing...?
- Mona Nomura
@mortonfox - i think we'd get along like a house on fire :)
- Zee.
I have a laptop that stays there.
- jcunwired
go on embee...! But i'll take it as a yes anyway... :)
- Zee.
@Mona....naa, i think its gotta be your laptop
- Zee.
@Jody hahaha! Briiliant.
- Zee.
Nope, my luck I'd drop it in and since I'm shoddy about the whole backup thing, I'd loose a lot of face at work. Can't risk that!
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
My macBook (Drufus) is mentally scarred for that very reason.
- Kamath (नमः)
[a whole slew of jokes aside] this should be extended to include the iPhone.
- jcunwired
@zee sometimes I want to get out of loo as quick as possible so I don't think I will productive then ;). But okay maybe if you got a smartphone or something I think you can do it, but still it's wrong :P. It's just wrong.
- alfred westerveld
I don't. That's gross. lol
- Daynah
@Jody but surely everyone use the iphone in the loo...surely...
- Zee.
ehm, well, old laptop is conveniently placed at a table right outside the bathroom..it kinda helps with minimizing time before leaving house in the morning
- embee
I do
- Peter Dawson
Does installing a flip down table top right next to the loo for this purpose mean I need help?
- Johnny Worthington
@John...lol, you have got to be kidding :P
- Zee.
My friend... I am not.
- Johnny Worthington
fantastic. you are my role model. lol
- Zee.
every time my other half takes a shot at me - i'm showing her that comment John... :)
- Zee.
@john if I ever have kids, i want them to grow up to be just like you!
- embee
My wife uses it as well sometimes. We have a two year old daughter and time by yourself, even 10 minutes, is a rare commodity ... I use it to FriendFeed and edit my photos. I thought why not do it properly...
- Johnny Worthington
my iPhone is enough :)
- Manos Matsakis
Never done it ... it's not because I don't have a laptop. *Goes to put computer in bathroom*
- Dieoxide
what's you socialmedian url? mine is http://www.socialmedian.com/jasongo... ... please list yours so can follow you
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http://www.socialmedian.com/davidpe... - David Petherick
- David Petherick
http://www.socialmedian.com/reechar... - just signed up -
- Richard pancakhaus Walker
http://www.socialmedian.com/charlie... Late adopter :)
- Charlie Anzman
Is there any way for me to edit the "you" to "your" in this message on FF?
- Jason Goldberg
http://www.socialmedian.com/katewar... just signed up though
- Kate
http://www.socialmedian.com/rydenv - Victor Ryden
- Victor Ryden
@Jason - there should be an edit button right next to your original entry.
- Victor Ryden
http://www.socialmedian.com/smbeebe Congrats Jason on the launch of Social Median today!! BTW, thanks for the tShirt! I got it today!! :-)
- Susan Beebe
http://www.socialmedian.com/erhan Go go go... ; )
- Erhan Erdogan
Facebook Connect 12 hours in. It's taken over my minifeed, my Outlook box, and engaging me in conversations. Must be said: that's genius.
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am i just dense? i haven't seen anything on facebook about the connect feature being released, and i'm REALLY curious to try it out.
- Shawn C. Reed
I'm hearing good news on the data restoration front. Please stand by. Or carry on. Things are looking up is my point.
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Facebook Asks Developers to Agree to Social Contract - http://www.allfacebook.com/2008...
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"One interesting new policy is that developers cannot incentivize requests. This means providing points for inviting more users is now officially against the terms."
- dave mcclure
from Bookmarklet
thanks for the share ... I think this will have big implications
- Nick O'Neill
Hopefully this will limit some of the blatant spam issues with FB apps
- anna sauce
im so tired of the spam asking to join so people earn points.
- rob friedman
Hitting a nerve… - http://scobleizer.com/2008...
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Robert, you are hitting a nerve. Blogging isn't what it was. It is becoming an echo chamber of pr crap and lists.
- Steve Olson
I think that small corners of blogging is that. to ascribe the entirety of blogging the aspects of a few bloggers isn't looking at the big picture.
- Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins
Agree with Mark. You're almost exclusively speaking of the silicon valley tech blogosphere (or subset thereof) and the PR/Marketing blogs where the echo chamber and shallowness is such an issue
- Deepak Singh
Don't know that I necessarily agree, since we strive to be different, find things that people aren't talking about (while still also talking about the things that they ARE talking about), and I know a bunch of others who do the same. You just aren't reading enough varied blogs. Step out of the chamber ;)
- Andru Edwards
It's easy to get caught up in the PR game. Writing "real" reviews is hard work and it is just easier to tell people about the upcoming products. Once engadget struck it rich with their linking to PR stories - others followed in hopes to get the money. Slowly people will realize that "sharing" also includes experiences with the product and finding better ways to use the product. As always, thanks for the thoughtful posts.
- LPH™ and his dog P™
The nerve has been struck Robert. And here I thought I was the only one who felt this way. Thanks for bringing this to light and getting back to what makes the tech industry the best industry to follow; the innovations themselves. I mean really, can you see us all getting together to discuss the waste management industry?
- Aaron Krug
Thanks Robert. I do agree and have watched on the sidelines contributing only to my corporate blog and twitter regarding tech to avoid the fray. Kudos for saying what everyone is thinking. I suppose it's time to start contributing to the change instead of waiting for it. Keep it up - you're making a difference.
- Bill Sanders
@Mark, Deepak, and Andru, The big popular blogs are becoming echo chambers. Not all. No doubt, there are great blogs out there, but if you aren't using a specific formula which is becoming trite, you don't seem to go anywhere. It reminds of Hair Metal in 1990.
- Steve Olson
Has/How/Why tech blogging has failed you - http://scobleizer.com/2008...
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Long rant, sorry, had to clear the air so I can start blogging again. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Wow...I'm very interested and excited to see/hear/read what is to come from Scobleizer land next.
- Justin Korn
I hope I make your list and if not, please let me know why so I can potentially improve.
- Allen Stern
Glad to see that you are starting to realize, despite Techmeme that the world doesn't revolve around just the bay area.
- Harold Gilchrist
from twhirl
Gotta say you're bang on the mark there. Tech blogging should be about the tech, not the biz.
- Luke Robinson
Allen: I like your blog. It's just that I love hanging out with all of you and talking geeky stuff a lot more than talking about this deal and that deal and all that.
- Robert Scoble
Harold: I've always realized that. I feel I got unfairly tagged with believing the world only was about the Bay Area. I guess I deserved that to some extent, but this area is quite dominant in the world of tech (including the tool you're typing on right now) so some of my boosterism is to be expected. Funny that the top Israeli company has offices here too.
- Robert Scoble
Kudos to you Mr. Scoble, what a very bright post you delivered today! Thank you for bringing some fresh perspective, that's always refreshing and welcome. I'm also happy you cite Lifehacker as an example. They focus on the smartest digital experience possible and help us improve ourselves. That's the biggest deal of all. Techbloggers should never forget it.
- c0wb0yz
I love the tech first and foremost but the business is important too, especially in respect to the sustainability of said tech.
- Jamie
Jamie: I agree. But the business needs to serve the customers and the customers/participants/users or whatever you want to call you and me aren't coming first in this industry anymore and that's worrying.
- Robert Scoble
Wow funny enough thats the way i have been feeling for a while now I am looking forward to seeing what is next from the Scobelizer...
- John Spencer
from twhirl
I agree overall - CN has only a small percentage of biz - most is trends, analysis, and reviews. I had an interesting discussion about this with someone last week - if i had a computer that could handle video, i'd make a quick video to explain - there's an important part you are missing
- Allen Stern
Next is to get some sleep. Gotta be up at 7:30 to be at Fortune Conference at 8 a.m. for breakfast. It's an incredible conference, hope to see some of you at the Tweetup at 5:45 p.m.
- Robert Scoble
This is often relevant from major blogs/ celeb bloggers. The smaller and more personal blogs are still focusing just on tech ;) Perhaps you need to update your feeds :-)
- Dennis Bjørn Petersen
from twhirl
Allen: will be watching in the morning for what I was missing. I'm sure I'm missing a lot. I had to stop ranting at some point, it was getting too long! :-)
- Robert Scoble
Dennis: I know. It's why I spend a lot more time here lately than on blogging. The smaller stuff shows up here a lot more regularly and I see a lot less "Yahoo business news."
- Robert Scoble
Excellent post Robert. It's why I don't read Techmeme as much as I used to. The life and joy in exploring, playing with and dissecting tech, the geeky exuberance in 'new stuff' has been lessened across almost all tech sites in general, leaving a bland veneer that is just business talk. Things a geek like me doesn't care about, as I'm not an investor.
- Mo Kargas
Techmeme has suffered because most of the tech blogs they follow have become nothing more then PR outlets like you said.
- Harold Gilchrist
from twhirl
As I posted in your comments, that's a really good post. It's great to see the old Scoble back - the one who I started reading back when your "latest thing" was Tablet PC! Welcome back, mate.
- Ian Betteridge
Robert, blogging is becoming commercialized, as it becomes popular. I do not see it as a problem. It just might mean that you and a bunch of other likely minded people have to move on to a greener, more fascinating and less populated pastures. Like friendfeed, etc. Luckily, there are lots of them around and tons in the pipeline. Enjoy!
- Павел Романовский
I don't know, Robert. On the one hand I agree 100%. And can I say that as editor of WebWorkerDaily I am the one who gets those 15 press releases a day and I *constantly* have the "is this useful?" filter on. I hope that's clear in our postings. Anyway...Your post is kind of like the person who is used to picking their own corn complaining about the supermarket because it's not the same garden. It's not. The grocer has to pay its bills, as does the paid tech blogger.
- Judi Sohn
I know I am a newie to all this but I have been reading blogs for a while. I've bee thinking up a response and I'll post later. Long comments on the iPhone make for one queasy bus ride.
- Derick Valadao
Finally. Thank you. I follow 357 feeds. Everyday. Granted I have many pop-sites (lifehacker, engadget, etc) on the list. But not one is of these "new breed" of tech bloggers out there. Even though I am in the industry, they do not speak to me. They are just another form of CNN to me. Linking to each other and regurgitating the same gibberish, no matter how relevant or important, it does not speak to me. Anyway, welcome back! This is very refreshing news to me. I will be following it with much interest. TY!
- Carlos Ayala
We should all just organize a "Tech Blog Strike", unsubscribing to those blogs that only push press releases. Let's see how they sweat when they see their subscriber count falling...
- Jorge Escobar
Obviously my previous comment was "tldr". I just wanted to say how great it is that a person in your position is able to repurpose his content to better fit the goal you are trying to reach with your content. It's a great direction to take in a time where most blogs are just trying to echo up to the top.
- Derick Valadao
Excellent post on the state of the blogging nation.
- Sheila Thomson
My only real problem with tech bloggins is how easily ideas take hold and spread to get page hits. This is very easily seen in the Vista hatred - there was never any objective reasonf or it... but it was so useful for traffic generation and looking cool that it was rampant.
- Soulhuntre
from twhirl
It's probably less about the business/tech divide, and more about me-too echo blogging
- Dave Pelland
I think so... tech bloggers are jsut as easily victims of peer pressure and memes as anyone. Once an Idea ("love google") defines someone as "getting it" then few will look at it objectively.
- Soulhuntre
from twhirl
This is a welcome breath of fresh air. Fantastic.
- Pete Gilbert
Scoble. Great post. Agree completely.
- Tom Quinn
Super excellent post and, ironically, exactly what blogging is all about. One good thing about an economic downturn, it will weed a lot of fluff out of the infosphere -- with less incentive to act as promotional platforms for startups, blogs may get more informative about using established tech.
- Sprague D
Great article Robert. It is your authenticity even more than your tech blogging that has made you the great writer that you are. Anyone can report Apple's earnings yesterday. You have always had an honest voice though that makes your writing stand out.
- Thomas Hawk
The take away is 'sensational headlines'. Add to the "Rumor:" and we don't need this stuff unless it's coming from a tabloid format site
- Charlie Anzman
Blogging is about saying what I want to say, and sharing things that I like with anybody who cares to listen. I'm not interested in driving traffic (thank goodness) or repeating what others have said, but contributing to a discussion.
- Chris Nixon
Great post Robert. Very good read and right on the mark. I religiously read feeds in Reader, but only a few that help me. I love Lifehacker. Almost everyday I find something new and useful to my job.
- Gary Schmidt
The Techie audience thirsty for knowledge is much smaller then the Get-rich-quick audience, but the largest demographic are the Free-lunch boys. The blogs with the most revenue have tricked their advertisers into believing teenage boys are business decision makers.
- paul mooney
I love tech bloggers and the things they write about. The good ones will always come at a common topic from a different angle and I just LOVE that because it makes me think outside the box and start connecting dots all over the place. Robert you are definitely one of those bloggers that I love to read and I don't think any of the ones I read have failed me.
- Devlin Dunsmore
from twhirl
Awesome reading! THX a bunch!!
- Ronald
I have to agree about the comments system though. One thing that we started to see a while ago was data portability and being able to communicate accross services. I think Disqus does that quite well and it's a great first step to making sure that the comments system becomes a little more useful on blogs.
- Derick Valadao
Well said Robert, left a comment, said my piece, cheers!
- Steve Spalding
Wow, an impressive and honest assessment of some major issues in the techblogosphere.
- Richard Akerman
Robert - I'm not in the tech industry. But I love what lots of tech stuff has done for learning stuff in my life and for others. And I want to keep on learning. You've certainly helped me here - I wouldn't know a fraction as much about using Friendfeed productively, for example. Glad we're going to see more of this kind of stuff. Welcome back.
- Tom Landini
Knocked it out of the park. If we can just get back to being geeks again, a lot of this drama will calm itself...
- Jared Smith
Great read, but kind of depressing the way things have gone. I just like being a bit geeky and all things will work out in the end.
- Alan Ashley
from twhirl
Shripriay, you hit it on the head. It is a shame that all the tech bloggers just wants to be Engadet or Gizmodo these days.
- Harold Gilchrist
from twhirl
Nice writeup Robert. I enjoyed your detailed analysis & history of the situation. Perhaps you can lead us in a new direction?
- Mitchell Tsai
i read the tech bloggers then try to actually use the gadget. would like to hear more results from the usage angle.
- Lee Kent
Shripriya, I agree with you wholeheartedly. My original comment was much longer but got cut due to length. I wish more blogs were like Louis Gray and Lifehacker which take a step back and then hit us with posts that are useful/interesting almost 100% of the time. Zero Punctuation is a great example for the gaming crowd--one post a week, internet fame.
- Derick Valadao
Hmm... A Scoble article I like.... Is this the Seventh Seal? Seriously, you're right on in that the echo chamber of groupthink has made tech blogging boring and predictable. I think there's a few people out there fighting it, and FF makes it easier to find them. I think you're off on the business side, though... I think it SHOULD be about the technology, but the entrepreneurs coming out of the Valley have made it necessary for us to discuss the business side by not having solid business plans.
- Jason Carreira
Anyway, hope this is a sign of things to come from you.
- Jason Carreira
Thanks Robert. Great read, and perspectives. Love to see more on productivity, like Lifehacker. Just became a GTD convert BTW and loved the David Allen piece.
- Jericho
Thanks for that Robert -- perspective is key.
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
I'm sorry but those that don't scale are toast, from a commericial and traffic standpoint. I know that is part of the point (varying aims and objectives of blogging etc.)
- Alex Hammer
Slap your self and get back on that horse Robert. You have NOT failed us. Human nature makes us want what we do not have. For some it's page views/revenue, for trolls it's attention, and others it's n-list status. The rest of us are looking to quench our thirst for knowledge. And please give our group a little credit. We have become ever-so-skillful at weeding out those sources that do not provide this knowledge. I repeat...You have NOT failed us.
- Andrew Smith
I appreciate what you are saying, and am glad that others share the same opinion as myself. What happened to being the guys who always had some tech trick that seemed like magic to the uninitiated? The joy of tech for me is showing that magic to others and getting them interested in what's out there too, and lately we have all become business whores a little bit. I look forward to the future content coming from you, and getting back to what made tech cool in the first place, the tech itself.
- Aaron Krug
One of the things I value most about Robert is his inner homing mechanism. He's very prone to get lost, but something always shakes him loose and he re-calibrates. Or is that re-boots? (Kind of like iPhone 2.0 now that I think about it.)
- Michael Markman
I agree w/ your article, Robert. The wonder that makes so many of us interested in tech does get lost at times- I never saw tech blogs as the place for that stuff, but appreciated it when I found it there.
- anna sauce
Alex: While scaling is necessary if you want more people to view your content, why should that come at the cost of the content itself? Too many startups are trying to replace a solid marketing plan with social media and end up trying to use big blogs as a means to advertise their product and ride the traffic tail to customers. From what I gather, this tends to make jaded bloggers who...
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- Derick Valadao
I kinda find this funny.. the comments are so distributed between FF channel and Scobles blog channel ? which one am I too follow ? I mean yesterday we had this big huge augments about cluster and fragmentation of conversations. So Robert, here's a suggestion. Turn off comments on your blog and let your readers comment on FF only. Else dont post your blog entry to FF and break your own...
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- Peter Dawson
I just approved a bunch of comments that were held in moderation. Now there's 88 comments over there. Whew.
- Robert Scoble
melmcbride: good point. It's easy to just stay on FriendFeed all day. It's hard to come up with something new to say that takes more than a short paragraph. Damn, I'm sounding so old school. The neat thing is when I do a longer blog is comes in here and improves everything.
- Robert Scoble
i think this is part of the echo chamber that is the silicon valley. people who live there use the "new" thing for so long they soon get sick of doing it. they are same people who think everyone elses use technology the same way they do and feels the same way they do.
- Jonathan Jesse
Scoble steps out of the bubble and takes a breath of fresh air... hopefully more follow or we're going nowhere fast.
- Harish V
I thought this was great! Robert, I think what I hear is your desire to just do whatever the hell you want to without regard to "The Man". Go for it. You of all people can do that!
- Elliott Ng
Robert the real issues is that everything really only needs to exist once. Conversations don't neeed to exist in many different places. Your blog comments and the conversation here are all the same conversation. I'd love to explain the solution as i see it but it'd take too long.
- Anton Mannering
Robert I am still lost- How can you profess to be be a convo aggregator , yet approve 88 comments on your blog ? @Anton, no Blog comments and these comments on FF, are two different sets of conversation happening on the same topic. Lets not confuse this fact !! There is a fork in the convosphere.
- Peter Dawson
@ Anton: I sort of agree with you, but i don't think comment fragmentation is all bad. Sometimes well-written comments appearing somewhere else can draw attention to good ideas. If I don't subscribe to a particular blog but see the feed posted here on FF, I'll pick it up and then maybe I'll go straight to the blog. There's value in fragmentation along with the frustration.
- phil baumann
I think a service like disqus should be used so that friendfeed comments on links to blog posts (with comments therein) will all show up no matter which medium you use to discuss them. Does this exist yet? I thought disqus would have this covered by now.
- Derick Valadao
Great points as always Robert. We're with you on this.
- Missionary Broadcasting
Peter: I approved about 40 that were being held in a moderation queue. I don't let newbies post a comment on my blog because then it'd be overrun with spam. FriendFeed has a much better system to protect against spam than my blog's comments. I think that it'd very cool if I could replace my blog's comments with FriendFeed, but that'd require an API that would make a URL, return it to my blog, and get it linked in, all really quickly.
- Robert Scoble
I haven't read the comments here, but feel I can comment. Robert, as someone who as known you for five years now - just before the mania began - I am pleased to hear this. What got me into your blog in the first place was your ENTHUSIASM for technology, particularly GTD. Never let that go. You be you. I will be me. And everyone else will be everyone else. In the end, you gotta follow what you love. It works for everyone from Steve Jobs to the Pope. Your friend online and off - SR
- Steve Rubel
@ phil bauman Ok 2 things. First of all I didn't say it shouldn't appear in many places. I'm saying that if you're in Roberts comments and I'm on Friendfeed then we should be able to see ALL the conversation from both. But it need not exist in a whole bunch of places only be visible from there. Second I think the argument that there is value in fragmentation is similar to saying there is value in using a ploughshare pulled by an ox. Ther is but not to most people.
- Anton Mannering
@ Robert Scoble: Interesting you should mention your blog comments being friendfeed. I know a startup or two working on those problems. In reality though the issues become way bigger when such a service is subject to really large numbers (non-tech crowd). Solving those problems is where the fun and games are and I only know one startup with a real solution for that.
- Anton Mannering
Ironic, isn't it--the influences (PR, marketing, big media) the original bloggers were trying to break away from are--surprise-- still here and the game hasn't changed as much as we thought. PR people still push their stories, tech and news blogs focus on a few big name co's and start looking like traditional media, etc. What's needed is more of the energy, enthusiasm and original thought that Scoble and others brought to the game earlier on--otherwise, we've only duplicated the old media on a new platform.
- mark ivey
I send you a tweet also but I believe that I must also write here how spot-on was your post... I can't wait to see more real Tech news coming from you and I hope that this will force other bloggers to remember how they started back then...
- Manos Matsakis
This is clearly your best post ever. Thank you for all of your hard work. I read your blog because it entertains me. I would love more posts "sharing geeky things." On the other hand, if you blog about news, technology, and a few pro-company biases, that's nothing to be ashamed of. Just because you (or any other blogger) do not provide a perfect balanced news experience does not mean that you have failed. People are responsible for finding their own news this day in age.
- Brian Wilson
Great post and I totally agree. "What's needed is more of the energy, enthusiasm..."
- Eric_T
Great stuff Robert. As blogging and social media continues to spread outside of tech and into other niche industries and verticals, those of us facilitating and evangelizing that spread should continue to look back at this post so history isn't repeated. See you at the Ritz tonight.
- J.J. Toothman
"I think that it'd very cool if I could replace my blog's comments with FriendFeed, but that'd require an API that would make a URL" - yeah I second that motion. If I had a widget that could do that but with bi- directional flow , that would really be a convo aggregator. This will certainly be an interesting challenge to some of the geeks out here !
- Peter Dawson
You can, if you're willing to give up the content. Glenn developed a great plugin that allows for bi-directional flow. It works for Wordpress and (I think) Blogger http://blog.slaven.net.au/wordpre...
- Steve Spalding
Great timing :) I got strange looks this weekend when I said that I don't review anything that has been 'pitched' to me - but rather things I discover that I think are cool. I discovered something this weekend at BlogHer that I will review. But no one sent me a press release. :) It's just a really neat gadget!
- Lucretia Pruitt
I think you should watch the movie 'Resurrecting the Champ' - its about a Writer. Drew the analogy to your post and the movie (that I just happened to see yesterday) http://mrinal.vox.com/library...
- Mrinal Desai
Enjoyed that rant, Robert. I'm not a tech geek, I don't read techmeme or techcrunch as the gist and trends can be followed here on FF, but I do read blogs like yours, Louis, Jeremiah and Hutch's, mainly to learn new things. Before FF I had never heard of Rescue Time, Jott, Evernote or TSheets for example, but hearing about new ideas and then experimenting with them myself, well that gets me interested and excited. The corporate enterprise stuff leaves me cold, it isn't nifty or flexible enough for users.
- Sally Church
Nice post. The PR influence bit reminded me of this article by Paul Graham: http://www.paulgraham.com/submari.... Agree to the fact that Tech blogging has been less 'tech' than it was a couple of years ago.
- Nikhil Dandekar
I loved the rant earlier yesterday, and even more impressed by the ff reaction. My take on your blogging, having followed you since MS days. Stay on what you think, not what others think. Avoid the whole Gillmor Gang bs, and associated groupthink.
- Bankwatch
I think that every new medium matures as it becomes possible to make real money at it - this is inevitable. I don;t think it will be the death of blogging certainly but we are in a new phase. Older blogs will mature and still keep that flavor or they will stagnate and die. The personalities will decide that. One of the things I like about your work Robert is the enthusiasm. Sometimes it makes you a bit naive, others it makes you a little to fast to declare something game changing but it is always good input
- Soulhuntre
Robert, just read your wonderful post now, and I'm still fascinated by it. I'm commenting here because I know you'll read here first. You know, this competition that you were taking about, almost cause me to stop blogging, but then I realized that I'm writing because I like it, so as far as I'm concern, I'm not trying to compete anyone, this is why I'm taking things easy and on my own...
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- Orli Yakuel
Orli: you know me too well! :-) Yup, agreed. Just do it because it's fun. The problem is that posts that make us all smarter don't stick around very long because of the flow.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, maybe it's because 'blogs' are not so unique anymore. Lets take Friednfeed for example: everyone can get noticed here just because they favorite picture on Flickr or dugg story on digg (regardless if they writing a blog, or giving any other opinion in the subject) this and other massive content mixed up together on a daily basis is flowing so fast, it almost seem that if you'll...
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- Orli Yakuel
We just updated Facebook for iPhone. Version 1.1 is up! Get it while it's hot! http://ax.phobos.apple.com.edg...
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Does it have the wall yet?
- Nicholas Molnar
Yup!
- Dave Morin
I wish I could find changelogs for these apps easily. :P
- l0ckergn0me
@l0ckergnome - App Store update page on iPhone shows quick summary of changes in each update
- Patrick Jordan
Facebook app icon shows when you have new mail messages in FB
- Michael Markman
Photos and wall...awesome. This is now my primary FB interface
- Jamie
Anyone else notice the striking resemblance to Twitter on the home page of the iPhone App? :-)
- Jesse Stay
Short urls contest: bit.ly versus urlborg - http://webtropic.wordpress.com/2008...
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LOL, if he tries to cross-pollinate bit.ly with urlborg ideas, we will be there to point it out. And that will be more free press for both tools, not a bad thing in my book.
- Phil G
@abacab It is almost inevitable once something becomes known to stop people from immitating. But isn't this also a justification for the originator too? I agree with J.Phil too: we will be there to point out.
- Nikos Anagnostou
Twitter to buy summize? i'm hearing a bunch of rumors...
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Hope not, summize works just fine.
- Czar
NO! Then we'll REALLY be screwed!
- Hao Chen
Gotta do something with the 15 mill?
- Brian Sullivan
This would make a lot of sense
- Mike Doeff
That would pretty good actually. I hope they can integrate it into twitter experience, and make it part of their api as well
- Shivanand Velmurugan
from twhirl
well, they have to get code that works from somewhere.
- Slobokan
Interesting.
- Clay Newton
They have to do something with that money, seems like a good idea since they could leverage it for replies.
- Scott Watermasysk
I think it is a good move for the twitter gang. a service that works well with twitter...maybe it will rub off on twitter :)
- (jeff)isageek
Would make perfect sense.
- Francine Hardaway
from twhirl
I think it would be a smart move for them.
- Alan Le
I hope not... Summize is great as it is.
- Chris Thomson
Considering the email I got from Twitter's help dept. promoted Summize, I'm not surprised.
- Erin @queenofspain
"I for one welcome our Twitter-Summize overlords."
- Joe D'Andrea
Did anyone notice that Summize recently added translation links & language filters? Summize is a VERY well done webapp if you ask me.
- Brian Daniel Eisenberg
Buy Summize? Why don't they just integrate the Summize API into Twitter - Just Kidding - Could be a good thing!
- Eric Cedo
Twitter would break Summize!
- Andrew
One company with no revenue buys another company with no revenue and whose existence depends on the first company? Why couldn't Twitter add the main Summize feature set in a few weeks if they could get their act together?
- David Fry
valuations? I'm shorting Summize if this happens...
- ryangraves
Summize would be doomed by being bought out... At least right now, they have the option of expanding to other networks such as friend feed, and brightkite, if they really wanted to!
- Joel
They have to spend their money on something and they sure as hell aren't spending it on infrastructure at the moment.
- Adam Helweh
I was thinking about that ever since I started using Summize... it makes perfect sense...
- Manos Matsakis
constantly suggesting it, great idea
- Patphelan
Through a little more weight on the sinking boat why don't you.
- David Jacobs
Make it be true.
- Andrew Ruess
from twhirl
They'd better buy Oracle technology for scalability!
- Eric Sausse
I hope they buy up a few of the best apps that have been developed over the last year. They need to innovate, and it's people outside of Twitter who are developing the coolest stuff. Hopefully those people can help them integrate functionality into the site and bring new ideas!
- Hillary Hartley
this is smart for twitter, but generally bad for summize -- although I don't think any of those guys are really high profile and a win like this would work in their favor if they were sick of swinging for the fences. Interesting to see how it plays out.
- Tyler Willis
Oh noez... *hears Summize breaking*
- Brandice
"Summize is over capacity".
- Daniel Rowley
We'll need to think up new animals/concepts to signify the eventual 'Fail' *I'm thinking of photoshopping up a chalkboard with an incorrect calculation*
- CannonGod
They should just buy friendfeed instead...
- Colin Brumelle
they'll buy a service that does what they claim to be able to do... smart..
- Absalon Isaac Prieto
this makes it interesting and open for someone else to potentially come in a build a summize-like search across the other networks like brightkite, plurk, friendfeed etc.
- Brandon Zeuner
it would be cool if Friend Feed could have a mobile web site.
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http://www.louisgray.com/live... feedalizr
- Bill Bittner
fftogo is the one, I really like it and have seen a few comments posted here from there!
- Joe Dawson
The above link breaks due to the via tag. Here it is: http://www.louisgray.com/live...
- Louis Gray
fftogo is your place :)
- Ben Borges
fftogo rocks!
- Dieter Schwarz
Another vote for fftogo here, works really well!
- Joe Dawson
:)
- Benjamin Golub
from fftogo
fftogo is what i use too, love it.
- J Allen
use a mobile feedreader? (or an iphone -- duck)
- dK
I would like an official FriendFeed2Go that doesn't require me to remember that stupid key.
- Aaron Myers
fftogo!
- Sarah Perez
Yes. would be great
- Navin
Yeah I agree, why not?
- Timon
+1 for an official mobile version
- Alessandro
http://fftogo.com is my mobile FF site
- Susan Beebe
+1 for an official mobile version also.
- Jason R. Hunter
+1 for an official IPHONE version! :-)
- Dieter Schwarz
+1 for an iPhone version too
- Giovanni De Stefano
from fftogo
+1 iPhone version, and being able to make FF shares via SMS
- Steve Isaacs
+1 for an iPhone version!
- Daniel Spradau
+1 for iPhone version
- xero
+1 for iPhone version....whyTF isn't it out already? Look at Hahlo...amazing, but limited due to Twitter API.....do it now!
- Philip Ryan Johnson
from twhirl
with Nokia Tablet, I don't need neither mobile version of FriendFeed nor iphone ;)
- A.T.
Have you tried Loopt, yet? I'm looking forward to the iPhone app. (www.loopt.com)
- Mike Dotta
Java isn't inter graded into my Dash's browser. Your phone must be like a laptop.
- Jacob
+1
- Mitchell Tsai
My credentials stay in the login area but I keep getting kicked back to the login screen all the time!
- Joe Dawson
+1 not just focus on the iPhone, there're majority of nokia, moto, samsung users.
- Langley Zhu
I normally have a iPod Touch or computer with me when I want to check FF, but sometimes FFTOGO will work, I just don't like the whole remote key thing.
- Aaron Myers
fftogo is nice, but not enough, it's not compatible with enough phones, hoping FF is going to provide it's own mobile
- Majento
Blackberries! Including the smaller screen of the Pearl.
- David Silvernail
yes, i have a samsung instinct and ff on there won't even keep my login info w/o shutting off the web browser.
- Admiral Anika
I hate the remote key on fftogo,why we can't log on with our own password for Christ's sake
- Steve Chou
Plurk Keeps On Going Strong - http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r...
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I bet that Plurk ends up with more users than FriendFeed and Twitter. It's just has this goofiness and gaminess that the mass market will find appealing, even if the snobby A-list tech bloggers ignore it. I'm not on MySpace, either, very often, but it's done just fine without me. Congrats!
- Robert Scoble
Agree Plurk could end up with more users than both twitter and FriendFeed. Twitter because of uptime and FriendFeed is too complex/powerful for mass adoption in its current UX.
- Christian Anderson
Do you guys think that Plurk's Karma system will start being emulated in other sites looking for mass appeal? The whole concept rubs me the wrong way.
- Frankie Warren
Personally I hate the Karma system, but I don't think the whole thing is targeted at me either. It's viral, encourages participation, and seems to be working.
- Duncan Riley
I can't bring myself to create a Plurk account, but I think it'll appeal to the MySpace crowd... once it breaks out of the early adopter trenches, I could see it doing well. See you there when they cross the 5 million user mark.. at that point I don't think I could keep ignoring it. ;)
- Eric Hamilton
@Frankie: the karma system has its benefits and its disadvantages. Sure when you are on like you normally are its fine, but if you go on vacation sans internet say goodbye to karma. And as far as users I've become active over on plurk along with several others but many signed up did a few posts and quit, so its a little bit of both, people who are sticking with it, and dead profiles
- BCK
i've whined about the karma system and think the tech early-adopters will all hate it, but Plurk was designed with teenaged girls as a key target and it seems to be doing well attracting more of a diverse, mass (albeit still small, but growing) audience, versus the ubergeeks on friendfeed. Karma will only get aped if Plurk becomes a certified hit and Plurk is not in danger of that just yet.
- Christian Anderson
Right right. But do you think the karma system is being recognized as something that is driving usage of the site and will therefore be increasingly used by start ups trying to break into the mainstream?
- Frankie Warren
And this is after dozens of people said "fail" when they first heard about it and they had downtime issues. Just goes to show what persistence is worth in the face of critics. I still haven't found a liking for it myself, but I respect their efforts.
- Ray Grieselhuber
I have an account, but... I just don't know if it's really worth it yet?
- l0ckergn0me
the only real interactions i've had there were with Duncan. Mainly because we happened to both be trying to figure it out at the same time. Plurk is a bit myspacey for me. I think it has real potential, but its not there yet.
- Christian Anderson
the one thing I'll add (and I dont think it was in the post) is that it's my non-techy friends that have taken to Plurk the most. I'm seriously thinking consumer play in the Mahalo space. Still, it's not too bad, at least its up more than twitter :-)
- Duncan Riley
plurk last a week with me, thread conversation good. Not always conversing with your friends in bad. Gone back to Twiiter and using FF more
- Nick Cowie
from twhirl
I was on it for about the same time frame Nick, it just didn't seem engaging to me!
- Joe Dawson
Plurk is only as 'myspacey' as your friends are 'myspacey' - there are plenty of grown-ups on Plurk having great threaded conversations all day long. Sure, the initial sign-up page and the public timeline appear a bit teeny, but then I thought for a long time that twitter looked dumb because of its home page and public timeline before I fully engaged with it too. To each their own, but I think Plurk's uptime (yes, with a far smaller user base currently than Twitter) & threaded conversations are major pluses
- Matt Hooper
I changed my twitter avatar to the Fail Whale. Plurk FTW!
- The Dude Dean
The Facebook Blog: We're Open For Commentary - http://blog.facebook.com/blog...
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Facebook makes it official: "Starting today, you can comment on your friends' Mini-Feed stories right from their profile."
- Louis Gray
from Bookmarklet
yeah it was live and already got shut off on my profile. looks like they're having issues, i got 3 different error messages when trying to use
- MG Siegler
I haven't logged onto facebook for a month. The only thing that will probably change that is a link on FriendFeed pointing to a discussion on Facebook...
- Robert Seidman
Will my comments and associated thread show up in my mini feed as well?
- Palin Ningthoujam
too late baby! :)
- directeur
Trying to find something in the news feed to comment on.
- Hutch Carpenter
I thought the new design was the priority here, geez give me POP3 and I'll be excited, this is just a rip-off, not cool facebook, not cool
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
Is it live yet? I'm not seeing any type of 'Comment' button.
- Hutch Carpenter
Odd. Was there about a half hour ago. The comment bubbles are missing now. Smooth roll-out.
- Mark Trapp
Yay! Facebook's borrowing a great feature from FriendFeed. I love Facebook because a lot of my real-world friends are there. Hopefully we can get Facebook buzzing. Most of my 17-80+ friends are annoyed by the games. It's really cool to hear that Dan's daughter just won a ski race, or Louis Gray has twins, Susan has been feeling sick, or John is headed to Europe next month...
- Mitchell Tsai
I wonder if the items will repost in the feed like in FF? I already have problems on facebook in that *none* of my non-tech friends like to comment on anything. I'll use the posted items application and theyll bring something up a month later in person rather than leaving a comment on the item itself.
- Frankie Warren
Comments are back.
- Hao Chen
Facebook Becomes FriendFeed; Launches Commenting On Mini-Feed Items ( http://mashable.com/2008... )
Manos Matsakis, Alex C. Williams, Hao Chen and Jared Smith liked this
yeah right!
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
Now I get why FB mini-feeds is a big deal = FriendFeed. Thanks for the comment.
- Mike Reynolds
Fucking great, yet ANOTHER place I have to go look for comments now. Thanks a lot Facebook. Someone just fucking stab me in the eyes.
- Daniel Spisak
from twhirl
It's a good idea, but the fact is, FaceBook is a closed network for the most part. I'd like to see some stats regarding how well these features are actually being adopted
- Glenn Batuyong
from twhirl
I would love to see a user bio in addition to user pics, particlarly when I go to their user page.
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You can always check their blog or other service that allows profiles. It's one more step, though.
- Rishabh Mishra (p248)
I agree. We should at least have an URL field, where one could put a direct link to a 3rd-party profile webpage.
- Opensource Obscure
@Opensource: That would totally work. Good idea.
- Rishabh Mishra (p248)
i was about too suggest the same, it'd be handy in finding people you might feel interested in following, id like to know whats their take on stuff, who are they, why would they push content to me?
- Ruben Llibre
Would be great to post an entry to my feed when I create a room like 'Wil created a room: ICANN"
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