Most coveted job title on Earth right now, huh? So, now you're on the squad, what's the minimum bribe to get you gushing forth to the guys on the merits of being able to tag our own (or each others) posts? - Slippy Lane
Congratulations!! Smart move by FriendFeed. :) - felix
“Ah, I forgot to pre-debunk the "Dude, Google claims that they own everything you do in Chrome!" conspiracy. Debunked that last night in a Mashable comment and then again this morning: http://bit.ly/2toGWg . Sheesh.”
Thanks for setting us straight Matt! - Anne Haynes
When we are discussing legal documents, it's the verbiage that matters, not the intent. As long as clauses 11.1 and 11.2 are in the EULA, they have full effect. - Franci Penov
that is how Mozilla reads it and why they are not scared - Fred Grott
Thanks for setting people straight, Matt. It was so obvious that the EULA was a c/p job from another service that I never gave it a second thought, and I was utterly stunned that so many people lost their minds over it. Guess expecting common sense is just entirely too much to ask these days. - Vincent Ferrari
I have a feeling they actually launched Chrome too early and simply did not have time for such a stupid legal thing. Unfortunately for a company attracting attention like Google does it is something to avoid. - Svetlana Gladkova
why all the google bashing? Chrome SHOULD be a more secure browser than FF when Google is finished.. isn't it still in beta? hello? - paisley via twhirl
Yes Matt, but then why the legal language that says otherwise in the TOC? What Google say and what they did are two different things here and the law upholds what is written. - Sally Church
Most times I'm really glad I'm not in Matt's shoes. Other times i think it would be pretty neat to have 'a view' at the Plex :) - Charlie Anzman
Airwolf was NOT crappy. It was basically the greatest show ever created, and I still whistle the theme song every time I fly my helicopters :) - Paul Buchheit
yeah, Airwolf was ok. better than Blue Thunder. - ~C4Chaos
streethawk. like airwof, but on a motorbike. and more crappy. - Alex Gawley
"Hello Michael" - what no Knightrider? - Toby Graham
they could bring back airwolf but have it be the only prototype comanche helicopter ever built... and give it full stealth mode... - Justin Long
Paul, you said "fly my helicopters" -- you have more than one? - mathew ingram
I think most shows in the 70s, 80s and early 90s were better than all the "reality" shows that are on today. Let's not forget Knight Rider. - Robert Felty
Yes, there are at least 5 in my office. - Paul Buchheit
I love how the gimmick in these shows always followed the same pattern, showing once or twice depending on the show. Dr. Banner transforms into the Hulk twice; K.I.T.T. transforms into flying/ super K.I.T.T.; McGyver solves two puzzles each time; the A-Team goes into "build weaponry" mode once (?); the Next Gen Enterprise separating its saucer section (first season?), etc. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C... - Philipp Lenssen
@Philip - the building weaponry part was always part of my favorite. It always seemed to come between 40and 50 minutes, and at least 50% of the time, B.A. would weld something. - Robert Felty
greeaat news for all involved. congrsts. - Alex Gawley
Congrats Ben! I could see that coming at some point - Dobromir Hadzhiev
Congratulations! I knew it was coming when I noticed you'd been making changes and even had a FF email address... and there was no denial: http://beta.friendfeed.com/e/5... - Tony Ruscoe
This is recognition for his great work! Congrats! - Winston Teo
"Most liked entries, most commented entries, most liked videos, most commented videos and most popular users on FriendFeed" - Erhan Erdogan via Bookmarklet
I think it's neat. It's only a popularity contest if you look at it that way. I think its another cool way of finding cool posts and people to follow. Data is what you make it :) - Steve Isaacs
Plus it seems very well designed and implemented - props to the programmers! - Steve Isaacs
I agree with Mona. Down with these popularity contests. - Shawn Farner
Interesting informations and statistics in FFholic user's feed ---> http://friendfeed.com/ffholic like "%12.0548 of FriendFeed users are private! (data based on FFholic.com)" - Erhan Erdogan
i don't mind popularity contests. i mind the people that take them too seriously. - Morgan
To me, this site is less about the "most popular" people, and more about finding most popular items (and by person). It is interesting at least. - Louis Gray
And thanks to 'popular' people like you, LG, that share items, the 'popularity' is spread evenly :) I just don't like seeing people getting feelings hurt over lists and websites. We're no longer in high school... - Mona N.
It's funny, while I see an email everytime someone follows me, I have no idea who many people that is now. I don't even know where to look. I don't think I even want to know :) - John Worthington
I want to like this entry, but you have a pic of arrington. - Alan Le
What's nice right now is that most people really only like entries that show up in their FF screen, so this gives us (at the moment) a broader spectrum of the various FF niches. - Justin Long
Erhan why U deleting the Fun comments? Is this a private club? That is why ffholic is FAIL Good luck! - Igor The Troll
Igor: I don't find you as a FUNNY boy and also I have no relation with this good job. Also ALSO also bye BYE! - Erhan Erdogan
Maybe U do not know the inside story! See U! - Igor The Troll
What just happened here? Was that an argument.. I am confused. - Kyle Lacy
Create an application that finds the most interesting people who AREN'T being followed and I'm there. Maybe.. scan popular links shared by popular users and see who actually shared it first. - Shawn Farner
I saw this post in the most-liked last 24 hours list - great job! - Erhan Erdogan
Maybe create an application by the people mostly blocked! And I am not talking about Spammers but with relationship to solid comments! There are some interesting controversial people on Friend Feed who have been blocked by a few A-Listers and many others just jumped on the band wagon! It is too easy to make a judgment by first impression without really knowing about the person! Anyway just alternatives to most likes! - Igor The Troll
Holic: Congrats to you! ; ) We want more features, graphs, statistics and also daily, weekly, monthly reports to our emails. I want to be your premium member for these. : ) - Erhan Erdogan
thanks erhan they are all on the way ;) thank you for your great support! - FFholic.com
"Brian Rakowski walks to the whiteboard in a small conference room in Building 41 on Google's Mountain View campus. A lanky, gregarious man in his twenties, Rakowski is the product manager of a top-secret project that's been under way for more than two years." - Bret Taylor via Bookmarklet
Congrats on the great article, Brian. - Bret Taylor
@john: alleyinsider is the last source i will trust as to whether it is going or not going to happen. But, really, as @slippy says, choice FTW! The rest will just pan out. - Ashwin Bharambe
That picture is great. It looks like a band photo. - Andrew Burd
Internets are the new rock'n'roll, Andrew, didn't you hear? - Slippy Lane
The photographer, Joe Pugliese, has a great website: http://www.joepug.com/ In fact it's so great I haven't got round to reading the Wired article yet - Adewale Oshineye
Enjoyable read except for this completely bizarre paragraph -- "Not long after that, Brin and Page came by to check in on the furtive beginnings of their browser. "I remember sitting at my desk, which at the time had a stuffed snake running along the back of it," says Pam Greene, an engineer on the team. "Sergey was bouncing on one of those exercise balls, watching Darin give a demo, and petting the snake." - Osi
"The snake, called Mr. Bigglesworth, seemed to purr softly in Sergey's lap, providing a calming influence during the demo. However, when one of the tabs crashed, taking the browser with it, Sergey's voice took a more strident turn. "I have gathered here before me the world's best developers," Sergey began, "and yet each of you has failed to kill Internet Explorer. That makes me angry. And when Sergey gets angry, Mr. Bigglesworth gets upset. And when Mr. Bigglesworth gets upset, people die!" - Karim
Sergey then pressed a nearby console button that retracted Darin's chair into the floor below. A flash of flame could be seen as the screaming developer vanished from the conference room. - Karim
Somebody help me!" Darin pleads. "I'm alive, only very badly burned!" This proves to be very distracting, and after being interrupted several times, Sergey picks up his phone, and reports the situation to a henchman. "I'll go deal with it," he assures Sergey. "If someone opens the retrieval hatch, I can get out," Darin explains. At this point, the hatch opens. Darin is at first grateful, but then a gunshot is heard. - Geoff Longman
After a pause, Sergey is satisfied Darin is dead and attempts to continue explaining his plan, only be interrupted by Darin again, who says indignantly "you shot me! You shot me right in the arm! Why did you-". Darin sentence is cut short by a second gunshot, which proves to be the end for him, as the hatch is heard to close. (http://www.moviedeaths.com/aus...) - Geoff Longman
Google’s Chrome is aimed at Windows, not IE
This is no longer about browser but about the an entire marketplace spread between desktop, mobile and web. With Chrome, Google’s taking a shot at Windows, not paltry Internet Explorer
I’ve covered this in more detail on my blog
http://sachendra.wordpress.com... - Sachendra
The point of Chrome is the same point one would make about the iPhone. Will iPhone outsell Nokia worlwide in total number of phones sold? Not a chance in hell! Has it changed the face of mobile phones forever...absolutely. This is where I think Chrome is a fantastic concept. By open sourcing D8 Google has literally empowered every other browser including Safari and Firefox to be Windows beaters. In actual fact IE may even implemented their own canibalised V8 to canibalise their Microsofts existing fat client business. If you ask me, Google is the master of judo in this case. google 2 MSFT 0 - John Kotsaftis via feedalizr
I haven't been able to find many details about the V8 design, but it's apparently a straight JIT (no interpreter) with inline caching of property accessors. I didn't see anything about HotSpot/TraceMonkey-style optimizing compilation, and it doesn't seem to use any intermediate language. (http://code.google.com/apis/v8...) Is this the future of dynamic language runtimes? Am I a nerd? - Jim Norris
Nice to see Wired putting out a great article in a timely manner for a change - rather than spend page upon page talking about minor internet celebs and how they gatecrashed gawker media parties to build their fame. - Jonathan Beckett
Jim, tracemonkey should still be faster. Paul friendfeeded an article comparing them. I should say that tracemonkey will still be faster eventually, unless V8 adds hotspot-like tracing as well, in which case, my money would ride on V8, since Google probably has half of the hotspot team :) - Sanjeev Singh
“Here's an idea not everyone will like: Firefox and IE should drop their rendering engines and switch to Webkit (used by Safari and Chrome). Then we wouldn't have the added annoyance of targeting three different DOMs.”
I'm sure someone will say something about "competition", but since it's open-source, they can continue to compete, just as Google has with their new JS engine, V8. Since everyone would be starting from the same point, they would all have the burden of not breaking compatibility. - Paul Buchheit
Microsoft would embrace and extend, creating WebKit Expression '09, and Firefox would only use WebKit 520 for the next 3 years, complaining that Apple and Google won't slow down their development to accommodate an 18 month development cycle. - Mark Trapp
NO -- webkit is at least poorly studied for security vulnerabilities, I don't want to live with swiss-cheese-alike crap from fruity company JUST because some few entrepreneurs want to make their life easier!!! - silpol
Extending the product is a good thing -- it's how the platform advances. As long as it's all open-source, we all win. - Paul Buchheit
It's not that everybody should like it. It's that they should all do it. - Louis Gray
Actually, that's already been discussed as part of the Gears' strategy... simply make Webkit a plugin for Firefox and IE. It's actually not *that* outlandish. - Chris Messina
Paul, the problem is WebKit is licensed under the LGPL; Microsoft could merely create a plugin to WebKit that did all of its extra features. They really wouldn't receive all that much flak about it, either. - Mark Trapp
@Chris - I recall that being mentioned at google code. I wonder what it would take to make a plugin for IE or firefox to use complete chrome processes as an 'accelerator' - Robin Barooah
Yeah, an IE "plugin" is the way to go. That way users don't even need to change their habits or UI, and it could potentially fall-back to IE for sites that still don't work with webkit. There's just no advantage to having different rendering engines at this point. It's high cost, low benefit. - Paul Buchheit
Didn't Netscape 9 allow users to choose which rendering engine they wanted to use? - Tony Ruscoe
@Tony: Netscape 8 did: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T...) . You'll need to manually type the closing bracket, it is being excluded as part of the URL and I can't manually fix it. - nadim
for you all dearst proponents of single engine - go read "1984" book... dependence on one engine (or any subsystem, when it comes to that) for whole world is dangerous... and utterly stupid when it is done for sake of small group's convenience :-/ - silpol
@slipol - that would be true if we were talking about one engine developed by one company, but with an open-source project with many developers, I don't see how this could be a problem. Do you think that hundreds (maybe thousands) of developers worldwide will all collude to do something evil? Well, if so, some other people will come along and create a fork. In fact, WebKit was forked off of khtml. Let's not forget to thank the KDE folk for the good engine to begin with. - Robert Felty
Why would the two most popular browsers in the world change? - Globecode
Rob, the problem that silpol is presumably saying exists with a monoculture is that everybody is vulnerable to the same diseases. This has happened in the past where security vulnerabilities in compression and encryption libraries have made huge amounts of unrelated software vulnerable. But Paul has a good point that a dominant platform certainly makes things easier for the developer, which is why there are millions more apps for Windows than any other platform. - Gabe Schaffer
You are making a big discussion out of nothing. The hypotesis that if they all use the same basis, that will have the same DOM, they will be interoperable. That has been proved wrong: all the web browsers out there already have the same working basis (Web Standards) and still they messed things up. What makes you believe that this would be different? - Marcos Marado via fftogo
Marcos, the difference is that they all started from very different places and IE and Firefox both have a lot of historical gunk. Web standards wasn't their working basis, the browser wars of the 90s was. The browsers have been converging for years now, which makes web development a lot better than it used to be, but that only emphasizes the uselessness of having multiple rendering engines. The monoculture argument is of course nonsense. Having three engines isn't going to make the world any safer, especially since they use the same base libraries. - Paul Buchheit
@Paul I can only assume that you proclaim monoculture argument as nonsense only because you've never seen domino effect on large scale, with species of slightly different nature still staying... I've heard same kind of argumentation from Opera people as they were bragging on idea of "one proper engine under one proper standards" only to show them a bunch of weak points in their cardboard architecture, granted I had apropriate tools. But... Whatever. - silpol
The monoculture argument is based entirely on analogy, which makes for nice stories, but is a very weak form of evidence. - Paul Buchheit
Paul, but if they really wanted to interoperate, i.e. If the browser wars were really over, then they would just stop the last few years nonsense and go for standards compliance. Why did Apple fork KHTML? Why does IE insist in not adapting standards? Ultimately what matters for both end users and web developers is that each browser sees the same page in the same way. It's fictitious to say that the way to acomplish this is making them use the same code (why not use your argument for Javascript?): the way to do this is simply to follow the rules - in the web case, standards. - Marcos Marado via fftogo
Why bother with HTML, JS and others such standards then? Let's close up those shops and just standardize everything through Webkit. Which is great, unless if for whatever reason Webkit doesn't work on your device (or until the great Webkit fork). Let's standardize DOM instead, ne? :) - David Lee
Standardization is hard because there's a large amount of pages crafted specifically for quirks particular browsers. Going standard breaks them. - 9000
it sucks that it doesn't work on Windows Mobile yet.... ugh, I'm stuck in the stone age with IE6... - Harold
This conversation is so all over the place, I don't even know where to begin. All I can say is that 1985 wasn't as bad as I would have thought, seeing as it came after 1984. - Chris Messina
What's the point? You're still going to have to support IE6 for a decade anyway, and any new browser has to not break old apps. It's like those people who suggest that MS just replace the Windows kernel with Linux, as if all old apps will suddenly disappear, leaving the slate clean for all the glorious new apps to come. - Gabe Schaffer
that's one idea i love! standardization, baby! - stefan
Until someone decides that engine is crap and writes their own? - Robert Konigsberg
@l0ckergn0me I tend to think that safari had been kissing firefox's arse -- from flexibility and extendability to popularity and functionality - silpol
I have tabs open for Facebook, FriendFeed, Twitter, Blogger, Google Reader and about:memory in Chrome and I am at 50,824! - Joe Dawson
Is that with FF2 or 3? And with what extensions? - Dwight Silverman
However, let's compare that with the new Javascript updates Firefox is set to add here soon. Compiled Javascript makes a big difference. - Jesse Stay
Has anyone been able to use the Google Toolbar? - Stagekid
Hey Stagekid, you can't use Toolbars in Chrome yet, but... you can use bookmarklets! This includes bookmarklets for Friendfeed, Facebook, Google Reader, etc. :) That's not gonna replace all the coolness of toolbars, but I think it's a great start and hopefully it'll be helpful for you. - Adam Lasnik
Now that you mention it, stagekid, no. Must try that in the morning. - Roberto Bonini
Chome appears to be about a second faster rendering Gmail, by my very informal testing (e.g. have both FF & Chrome open, hit F5 in FF, click the Chrome window, hit F5--Chrome still renders before FF). - Justin Long
Chrome does a lot worse with more than 50 tabs, which I end up with a bit too often. - Jake (aka Jawee)
Icecat 3 (Firefox rebranded) is at 161,202 with 16 tabs open for me btw. - Jake (aka Jawee)
I am always floored when I hear people talk about having dozens of tabs. I have, at most, maybe five; and that's when I'm really busy. Otherwise, I trim it down to only what I need presently. Do people use tabs as a kind of bookmark system? Go to a tab rather than to a bookmark? - Akiva Moskovitz
Yup. I am probably making the switch on my very limited resources machine at work. - Geoff Schultz
Same here, much improved performance. V8 is getting the job done. - Dave Martin
Akiva, I see my mom do this. She opens stuff that she thinks she will use and never uses it, or she leaves stuff open that she has used because she thinks she may need it again. I think most people just need to use bookmarks more effectively :) - Rahsheen(isSoAwesome)
Rahsheen(isSoAwesome), it would be neat to see a browser feature that scans your Favorites/Bookmarks and lists off the ones you haven't used in a while (if not ever) and lets you clean them up. - Brandon LeBlanc via twhirl
