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A collection of the best guides and tips for using FriendFeed.
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3 Reasons you should be on Friendfeed Now by Hutch Carpenter http://bhc3.wordpress.com/2009...
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Did You Make the List? How I Use Lists to Organize My Life-Stream http://www.changeforge.com/2008...
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FFHolic.com - Great site for discovering content and people. http://ffholic.com/
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San Quentin. Why we visited. What we learned. Live conversation:
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Today a group of us visited San Quentin Prison. Got a complete tour. Talked with murderers. Walked the yard amongst inmates. Visited much of the facilities. Visited an actual cell and talked with the guys who live there.
- Robert Scoble
It's one of those things that will always have an impact on me and the other bloggers who visited.
- Robert Scoble
who set that up?
- Jesse P. Luna
Fascinating. Do any of the inmates blog?
- Catherine Ventura
Guy Kawasaki and Dennis Hall did. More details here: http://www.mediabistro.com/baynews...
- Robert Scoble
Catherine: none are allowed on the Internet. But several have blogs done by their families or friends.
- Robert Scoble
That's pretty crazy. I see it every time I take the ferry to Marin.
- Daniel Brusilovsky
Nothing fun about this place. It's quite different being there than seeing it on TV or in the movies. I never felt at ease even though I knew nothing would happen to us.
- Robert Scoble
The prison system is its own economy in California.
- Jesse P. Luna
I know what you mean. I spent time on a film shoot in an Italian prison once. You feel the pain everywhere.
- Catherine Ventura
I'll try to rattle off some of my memories. Walking in the front gate was wild. The gate is very old, built in the 1950s. We walked in the same entrance Johnny Cash did. You get signed in. Show IDs. Not allowed to bring in any cell phone or cameras. They stamp your hands. Not allowed to wear blue pants or jeans (we put green pants over ours). Go through one door. Wait.
- Robert Scoble
Go through another door. Wait for the first door to lock. Then walk into yet another area. Wait for yet a third door to open (only opens after you've closed the door behind you). Let's just say that it's been decades since the last person escaped from here.
- Robert Scoble
We walk in the courtyard and there's a new prisoner (in white) being led in in handcuffs. But the courtyard is pretty beautiful. San Quentin is actually a prison most prisoners want to come to because of its beauty and programs. We instantly meet a well spoken prisoner who starts giving us a PR speech before we stop him and ask why he's talking to us like a PR guy. He explained...
- Robert Scoble
...that he's one of the "best" prisoners and is in a program to earn good points and by talking nicely with us he's earning good points which will help him possibly gain release. We learn later he murdered his sister with a shotgun about 28 years ago and has been inside ever since and is up for parole again next year. The conversation stuck with all of us. We asked him how many...
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- Robert Scoble
Only a few hundred of the thousands of prisoners are in a "program" which means they do work (most of the state's furniture is made here in a factory on the prison grounds -- we sat in the chairs and they do nice work) and take classes and are generally trying to become nice people who can survive on the outside (the guy we talked with took college classes and earned a degree here).
- Robert Scoble
After visiting the furniture factory (Prison Industries, they call it) we headed across the yard. While doing that a general alarm rang, a voice called out "alarm" and everyone dropped to their knee. Guard towers looking over the yard had guns aimed and ready. Our guide said we don't need to kneel but it was a spooky moment.
- Robert Scoble
We visited the dining area where we got locked in (we were only ones there) and saw the famous artwork of Alfred Santos. The New York Times has pictures and details here: http://www.nytimes.com/2007... -- awesome artwork that only a few regular people get to see. A guard later told us about being attacked in a riot in this room (200 inmates will sit here at one time with only three guards watching at a time). It is one of the most dangerous places in the prison.
- Robert Scoble
As we walked the guard who was giving us the tour explained how gangs inside the prison worked and how people carry contraband, notes, and other things in, well, body cavities. Let's just say I have new respect for what people can do with a shampoo bottle.
- Robert Scoble
Thanks for sharing your experience. I'm sure it was great to go home
- Douglas Sandquist
from iPhone
We walked over to one of the sleeping areas, which had hundreds of bunk beds open without any walls. The guard explained why prison life is so stressful. Imagine having to sleep knowing that your enemies can try to cut your throat at any time.
- Robert Scoble
My uncle also got his college degree while in prison. Unfortunately, the bulk of the work programs at his facility weren't focused on the quality of work being done but rather the sheer meeting of quotas.
- FFing Enigma
Then we visited one of the buildings which had five stories of very small prison cells. Two people to a cell in a space about half the size of my upstairs office, which isn't that big. A toilet (no privacy) and not much else. Along the sides were cages, which we saw some people in. One guy was whining like a baby. Turned out he was thrown into a cage after getting maced for getting in a fight.
- Robert Scoble
Our guide, a guard, asked him "were you fighting?" Answer: "no." Then our guide asked "did you win?" Answer: "Oh yeah, I kicked his ass." Guards learn quickly how to get the truth out of people here.
- Robert Scoble
These cages were the size of telephone booths and people get thrown in them to punish them for misbehaving and to calm them down. Around the corner we're invited by the guards to visit someone's cell. I call it the PR tour because it's obvious the prisoners in the cell have been through this before.
- Robert Scoble
Turns out they were in for burglary and assault. They explained their life. 23 hours in the cell. 1 hour to eat. Every other day they get half a day in the yard. Every other day they get to take a five-minute shower (no privacy).
- Robert Scoble
I looked for technology. Beside having wifi for the guards (secure, of course) there was very little technology to speak of. Many of the prisoners have NEVER seen a web page. The Warden is on Facebook but not Twitter or FriendFeed. But other than a Dell on his desk I didn't see much other tech.
- Robert Scoble
what about tvs? did they have those?
- Catherine Ventura
As we walked out we visited where the exercise yard used to be. There are tons of bullet holes in the roof covering the yard. Why? They used to fire a warning shot to try to break up fights/stabbings. Now the rule? No warning shots. If you are going to fire your weapon as a guard it will be to kill.
- Robert Scoble
Catherine: we heard some prisoners had them but I never saw a TV but we didn't visit many of the housing units. They didn't allow us in the areas where the worst prisoners are (we saw some condemned prisoners, but they were handcuffed and carefully watched). But certainly no HDTVs.
- Robert Scoble
Joe: it was an eye opener, for sure. It certainly was a way to learn something different and also build a relationship with other bloggers too. We should have some pictures, by the way, soon. The guard had a camera he was allowed to take in but he was careful not to take pictures of other guards.
- Robert Scoble
Interesting to read this inside friendfeed - in 1 paragraph chunks every minute. I don't usually use this service. Normally I would see this via Google Reader.
- Damien Hogan
Joe: I would go back, sure, but probably only if they gave me full camera access. If I were ever to write a script this would be an awesome place to do research.
- Robert Scoble
Damien: I like writing raw and this doesn't really belong on my blog anyway.
- Robert Scoble
True, re blog - perhaps there is some other location for it - before it gets swept away in the stream.
- Damien Hogan
I'm glad to have gotten to do it. It's a place we all hear about and most of us never get to experience it. Oh, we also talked at length with the warden. Interesting about the budget struggles he's under. Said that he had to give layoff notices to lots of the education workers. What impact does that have?
- Robert Scoble
Just wow, Robert - thank you for the detailed, yet raw stream of thought account of being on the inside.
- Micah
Well, remember, many of these prisoners will get out. If they have no education and aren't prepared mentally and spiritually for surviving on the outside and getting along with people guess what they'll do? Cause harm to us.
- Robert Scoble
Gave me new perspective on the budget battles since so much of our money goes to the prison system (one of the bad parts of our society).
- Robert Scoble
I remember on my first Alcatraz visit when they shut the door and we were inside the hole - solitary confinement. I'll never forget it.
- Micah
Oh, and guess who's been visiting lately? The Chinese and Turkish Prison managers who want to make sure they stay on teh right side of the human rights lines.
- Robert Scoble
Micah: I did that at Alcatraz too, but it doesn't have the emotional impact of being in a cell at San Quentin with real life prisoners standing around.
- Robert Scoble
Rofbert, when prison budgets get cut the concept of rehabilitation is usually the first thing out the window. The system shifts to sheer containment, which usually causes skyrocketing recidivism rates.
- FFing Enigma
Fascinating about the Chinese and Turkish managers!
- Catherine Ventura
Tina: yup. And this is already a tough place to rehabilitate people because the gang system is against you if you're here. One inmate has been stabbed 31 separate times.
- Robert Scoble
US has got 2.3 million people incarcerated at any one time. Most will be released. Definitely worth thinking about how to manage what happens after that. Education is key.
- Damien Hogan
170,000 in California, the Warden said.
- Robert Scoble
23.6% of the world's prison population according to wikipedia!
- Damien Hogan
Joe: we were joking around that this was probably better than prisons in China and Turkey and the guard offered that information.
- Robert Scoble
I was just working on the Manhattan DA race and all three candidates used "ending recidivism" as a campaign platform. Good sign.
- Catherine Ventura
Robert - absolutely. A ghost town facility is no comparison to a living, breathing penitentiary.
- Micah
Micah: and when you are talking to prisoners face-to-face and you know that any of them could take you out at any time it adds a little bit of an edge that's tough to explain.
- Robert Scoble
Oh, at the beginning of the tour the guard explained the hostage policy of the prison. Under no circumstances will they trade a prisoner's release for your release. Our guard is the chief hostage negotiator, we learned. He ended one situation by trading a steak dinner for a hostage once, he told us.
- Robert Scoble
Talking to prisoners is definitely surreal...a few years ago on a doc film crew I spent a day in the Maricopa County Jail (Phoenix) and that crazy tent city Sheriff Joe Arpaio runs there...not the same as a prison, but still a very tense place.
- Phillip Johnson
Anyway, gotta go do other stuff. Hope you enjoyed this.
- Robert Scoble
Thanks!
- Catherine Ventura
Thanks.
- Phillip Johnson
Ta
- Damien Hogan
Thank you for sharing Robert it sounds like an interesting visit.
- Rob Cairns
A couple other things: 1. some guards are paid more than $200,000 a year by working tons of overtime. 2. An automatic way to get fired here is to lie (as a guard). We heard a few stories about that.
- Robert Scoble
Robert ... Outstanding recap of our four hours on "the inside". I have to say, the gas chamber was an unexpected bonus. Amazing tour! Dennis Hall
- Brandon
I've visited both San Quentin and US Penitentiary Lompoc - which once had the nickname and function of "The New Rock", but is now FCI (Federal Correctional Institute) Medium - as part of my training to work on Alcatraz.
- Ranger Craig
Former Alcatraz inmates I've known always talk about how they hoped, if they were caught, they would do time in a federal penitentiary rather than a state prison. Comparing the two I'd agree, if only because of the overcrowding at San Quentin. California's first prison began on a ship in San Francisco Bay - those inmates built the original San Quentin which opened a year later in 1852.
- Ranger Craig
One thing I love about FriendFeed and Twitter is that we have a real Ranger who gives tours on Alcatraz. Hi Craig, interesting info.
- Robert Scoble
Thanks, always glad to get a reminder of how bad things can be...
- Denverken
Thanks for this, Robert!
- beersage
Thank you for sharing your experience in a sensitive, informative way. There are so many things in life most of us never know about, but could benefit from by learning about. Prison life is one of them.
- Marie Carnes
Good piece. As fugitive recovery specialists we have had direct contact with many tenants of the Q. (from the outside, of course). San Quentin has always possessed a certain mystique and awe to both convicts and regular citizens. Before institutions such as Pelican Bay, San Quentin was known as the original 'Gladiator School'.
- hypyklrz
Interesting story, Robert.
- Sue - Friendfeed is best
This was great, thanks for doing it. People need to see the folly of taking society's screw-ups and shutting them away where they learn nothing but more ways to screw up.
- Lo
crazy dude. crazy.
- Zac Bowling
Trainblogging again - http://fury.com/2009...
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Wonderful writing. I miss the penguin stories.
- Marie Carnes
We have at least 5 more Antarctica stories, including at least a few penguins. They are coming. Life just got kinda crazy for a while and kittens took up a lot of our free time. A lot of that will be changing soon. Antarctica will be back!
- Rachel Lea Fox
Yay to trainblogging! Wroteup a trip report here- same EB->SJ Amtrak ride. Best commute ever. http://www.banane.com/2009...
- anna sauce
Posterous vs. Tumblr: A Head to Head http://mashable.com/2009... I like both, but has started using friendfeed instead
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I've started using friendfeed for microblogging, tumblelogging. It works as easy as posterous. Just mail everything to share@friendfeed.com
- Svartling
You can even post files that way.
- Svartling
FriendFeed has permalinks, index well in Google and has excellent comment system, so why use tumblr or posterous?
- Svartling
You can even create sub-blogs easy. Just create a room/group and you get a new sub-domain here on friendfeed
- Svartling
Post images, videos, docs and a lot more, just like tumblr or posterous. Even better.
- Svartling
Embedded FF content does not make it out to rss--Posterious does (for the most part).
- Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
from iPhone
Images does at least.
- Svartling
Heck, all posts you post elsewhere are even imported to friendfeed! :)
- Svartling
FF embeds do go out via RSS but not all readers respect embeds. See this thread for more: http://friendfeed.com/friendf...
- Daniel J. Pritchett
from IM
Thanks for the info and link!
- Svartling
Maryam's relatives In Iran tell us they hear chants of "God is great." here is why that is significant:
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They are yelling that because that is the same chant they would say during the revolution 30 years ago. They do that to make it clear their protests are aimed at the leaders, not at Islam.
- Robert Scoble
tease
- Erin @queenofspain
Commercial break.
- Blake
Who needs CNN? I've got Scoble on my radar.
- Jason A. Nunnelley
i agree, God is great
- joebrooks
they've been saying God is Great all week during the night.
- geoff hines
"Allaho akbar" is what the cries say throughout the city.
- Robert Scoble
it also helps people let others know they are all in it together. the loader the chants, the more people feel support among their countrymen.
- Shayan
This is a way of telling the Supreme Leader that god is great but you are not.
- Robert Scoble
Shayan: yup. Are you in Iran?
- Robert Scoble
Robert, it's a defiant chant?
- Jason Nunnelley
Jason: very defiant.
- Robert Scoble
btw robert thanks for making CNN realize how much their were failing us.We appreciate it very much that you brought attention to the situation when it was starting to pick up
- Shayan
islamic govt certainly cant ban ppl from shouting god is great; also carrying a koran might prevent you from being beaten in the streets...
- Miko Matsumura
They are saying (from their subconscious): I can call on the bogeyman (that we both know doesn't involve himself in our petty issues) just as much as you
- Greg Marlin
Miko, I'm not sure about the Koran protecting you from a beating.
- Jason Nunnelley
These events are quite different than those we usually hear about coming from mideast. They tend to be about sunni vs. shiite, but this is people vs. government
- Blake
Shayan: my voice was one of thousands.
- Robert Scoble
yes I think it's reasonable to be skeptical of it, but possibly worth a try...
- Miko Matsumura
they can't ban ppl from chanting GOD IS GREAT as they are doing this on roof top so its kindda uncontrolable/ and holding Quran is not that helpful as police or guards and plain cloth forces don't care
- Shandiz
Robert: no. i wish I was there now. kinda feel helpless not being able to do much from here. I was there during the last student uprising (1999) and many died in vain last time. hope it's different this time around.
- Shayan
Shayan, I think it's different than 99 this time. I hope the outcome is, and hope the government avoids bloody conflict -- I should say continued bloody conflict.
- Jason Nunnelley
Shayan: I remember that. That time we didn't have YouTube.
- Robert Scoble
Firk God / Santa Claus if you want to know how to make mayhem, message me and I'll give you the plans we should have implemented when Kenya rigged the elections (Zimbabwe and Iran only exist because the world let Kibaki steal)
- Greg Marlin
the main benefit of the chants is that folks can express their support for the cause without being identified. most families would turn the lights out and start chanting. if you are identified, it doesn't matter what your chant says. you are still in danger. so is your family.
- Shayan
It is such an amazing indication of how incredibly powerful social media is now. If this doesn't open the eyes of traditional journalists, I don't know that anything will.
- Erik Boles
FriendFeed needs a troll button. :)
- Jason Nunnelley
Robert, Shayan: what roll do you expect international attention will play in the conclusion?
- Jason Nunnelley
Jason/Robert/Erik: exactly. I was telling some writer at San Jose Mercury the other day. last time something like this happened all the government had to do was shutdown 3 newspapers to kill the news. this time they are fighting thousands of citizen journalists. This is absolutely amazing...
- Shayan
Shayan -- the peoples voice cannot be oppressed any longer. You hit the nail on the head. it used to be a one way statement, it is now a two-way conversation.
- Erik Boles
there was a video of a woman reciting in the dark "where is this place?" also talking about the volume of Allahu Akbar chants on different nights
- Eleanor Wynn
Jason: the international community's attention helps in many ways especially by putting pressure on the regime's friends such as Russia and China. It also gives people on the ground hope that somebody is hearing their cries. Human solidarity always helps those in peril and gives them more conviction.
- Shayan
Jason: Iran's leadership has lost all respect in the world. Not that it had much but this will have deep impacts for years to come. There will be more resolve on nuclear issue now. Today Neda. Tomorrow YOU.
- Robert Scoble
they are risking their lives, we are just watching intently, it is all we can do
- Eleanor Wynn
Technology is a huge force that tyranny has a difficult time defending against.
- David Damore
because it comes from so many hidden places
- Eleanor Wynn
I believe the informational freedom (note people: freedom is taken, not granted) is most powerful in its ability to spark action in Iran. If the Iranian people stand together, they may create change. It is harder to kill a very large crowd than a single person. However, until recently, my fear was that the few brave Iranians were exposing themselves as targets for the government. With the numbers growing and continuing, they appear more hopeful for real change.
- Jason Nunnelley
they just don't stop or go away
- Eleanor Wynn
Jason: I would suspect you are correct. Initially it was just a protest, then as govt. operatives started killing people, it brought realization to the people of Iran, and they realized they had to stand together, for as long as it takes.
- Erik Boles
Have you read the Peggy Noonan article in the WSJ yet? "Whose Side Are We On? You Have to Ask? - With Twitter's help, the youth of Iran take on the ayatollahs."
- David Damore
David, technology is a tool that catalyzes other forms of action. Talking doesn't topple regimes. At some point people have to develop a plan of action and execute it. What they do, that is a big and scary question. This regime isn't going away any time soon without a big fight.
- Jason Nunnelley
Quoting for the WSJ article: "Half the people in Iran are under 27."
- David Damore
the videos are extremely compelling, more than still, you are there with the person filming and the people being filmed
- Eleanor Wynn
and so many points of view, unlike news where it is the same clip over and over
- Eleanor Wynn
Eleanor: I think that is the really powerful tool here. So many raw, unedited, unrehearsed video's directly from the streets. We have been at the mercy of big news post production for so long.
- Erik Boles
that is the video, in the dark, the woman reflecting with the chanting in the background
- Eleanor Wynn
Erik: I agree, after Twitter, going to the TV set seems lame
- Eleanor Wynn
Eleanor, TV is lame. Diddo on that.
- Jason Nunnelley
Funny, CNN is talking about this now. Sounds like lots in the city were chanting this last night.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, what are the objectives of this revolution
- Aaman (Clone of FF)
Aaman: to be heard.
- Robert Scoble
To be precise, it might be too soon to call this a revolution, but in its nascent form, are there any signs of a leadership emerging, or stated principles? FWIW, I feel Mousawi cannot be the true face, unless he is seen as representing the principles of the original revolution
- Aaman (Clone of FF)
The only thing that matters in Iran now is, will the military stay loyal to the govt. Everything else is irrelevant.
- Bob Morris (polizeros)
Robert, Aaman: I'd assume there's some element of justice here as well. The people were granted a vote, told the election results would be respected, voted, and believe now that the government defrauded them. They have a moral standing, even under the most strict of loyalist perspective. At this point, since the government established elections in law, the government broke the law. Now...
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- Jason Nunnelley
It's one thing to be angry with your government. It's quite another to know the law of the land is on your side and your government is in violation.
- Jason Nunnelley
http://su.pr/1Oufcn What is happening in Iran is not happening to just Iranians but to all of us. It is happening to the world.
- Aaman (Clone of FF)
Perhaps I don't understand FriendFeed...I see "Here is why that's significant:" but I don't see any link or text after...
- Tony Zito
@Tony Zito: The reason is in Robert's first comment. He posted the topic, then continued with the immediate comment to explain.
- Mark H
The great thing about this whole episode is that it shows that Iran is a country of normal people - makes it very difficult for any future US government to bomb the hell out of it under the 'enemies of democracy' card.
- Martin Bryant
A Prayer for Iran: Out of chaos Thou dost create divine beauty; amidst dire disorder Thou dost plant the seed of harmony that blossoms into sweet Peace. May you be Free. May you be happy. May you realize all that is good.
- Meryl Steinberg
Free spirits cannot be chained - by any force of arms. The forces of tyranny may silence voices but they cannot silence the spirit.
- Lorin Olsen
Well Said Lorin.
- Garin Kilpatrick
ffThreadKiller: find out how often you kill threads - you're the last person to comment - on FriendFeed! - http://chrispeoples.com/ffthrea...
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wow. LOL!
- vijay
this is very very beta. things are pretty sparse right now but I thought this would be a nice little tool.
- chrisofspades
FYI, it doesn't count all of your comments! as of now it only counts the last 500 or so posts you've commented on.
- chrisofspades
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- vijay
i always suspected this - glemak killed 425 threads! [44% kill rate] - pls someone comment below me so my kill rate doesn't go up ;)
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FYI.2, it only counts posts that have more than one comment, unless it's someone else's post.
- chrisofspades
@mike that's a hall of fame kill rate!
- chrisofspades
@chrisofspades I've killed more threads than you, but we have the same kill rate.
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this is why ff is superior to twitter btw ;)
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lol chris - just added that to my profile - w/ pride :)
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- Stephen Mack #TeamMomo
worldofhiglet killed 205 threads! [27% kill rate] I am not trying hard enough.....MUST KILL HARDER!
- WoH: Professor MOTHRA
...cool tool, btw :)
- WoH: Professor MOTHRA
:}]]] good one ... now, i want to say "thank you" to the person who said or revealed something to me, on the other hand, i know that "thank you" comments is 1. empty 2. bumps up uncessarily the post 3. kills/covers/ the previous info easy display ... what should i do? .. id prefer some time expiring comments, or something ..:] .... btw - petrbuben killed 59 threads! [5% kill rate]
- pb:
Aww, I broke it: "Notice: Trying to get property of non-object in /home/chrispeoples/chrispeoples.com/ffthreadkiller/index.php on line 24 ... No results for bitseybloom."
- Lola Bean (Penguin)
lol, awesomeness - lunareclipse killed 92 threads! [24% kill rate]
- Sarah Peterman
Uh oh ... I'm afraid even check. I feel like I'm often last on threads because I'm late ... I like to think that I'm commenting on threads that are already dead anyway, and my comment is just failing to resurrect them.
- Andrew Perry
faithx5 killed 186 threads! [22% kill rate] Ha! Fun tool.
- Jandy
@Chris .. are you gonna get into stuff like 1. who commented first 2.who liked first 3. who likes the least liked, the most liked .. this is going viiraaal 8] ...... and, how about UPDATING our own comments into a tabbed thread? ////////// and yes, i do am waiting for real time CLOUD - of comments, of search, of public line .....
- pb:
Okay, I couldn't resist ... I have a 28 % kill rate.
- Andrew Perry
briansullivan killed 177 threads! [17% kill rate]
- Brian Sullivan
scobleizer killed 13 threads! [10% kill rate] -- what does the percentage kill rate really mean?
- Brian Sullivan
means you are active, and have often the last word :] /?
- pb:
232 threads (25%) here.
- c.a.j.
Yeah, I like Peter's definition...:D
- WoH: Professor MOTHRA
I kill threads for a living.
- Andrew Trinh
aha:] ..well i think we really need some neat buttons +1 -1 at every comment /? , and blog it, tweet it buttons/checkboxes ... /?
- pb:
so am i still top dog (44%) - by the way, i will kill this thread too muwahaha ;)
- mike "glemak" dunn
d0tski killed 167 threads! [25% kill rate] AWESOME!
- Bec Rowe @d0tski
sharonmcp killed 153 threads! [23% kill rate] Damn, this is feeding my inferiority complex. :-)
- Sharon McPherson
ajbatac killed 127 threads! [14% kill rate] I told you... I'm a thread killer
- AJ Batac
i killed 182 threads! [18% kill rate]
- Cee Bee
@AJ: pfft! 14%? peanuts!
- Louis Simoneau
yagamidai killed 204 threads! [42% kill rate] ( I'm almost a superman~ ! U~~hahaha )
- yagami
this should show the number of total comments one has made as well
- Cee Bee
I've killed 114 threads for a 26% kill rate.
- John (bird whisperer)
ambertides killed 138 threads! [26% kill rate]
- Pixie
comix killed 325 threads! [46% kill rate] I think this says something about me but I'm not sure I want to know what. :) Ha may hap I'll kill this one as well *cue evil laughter*
- comix aka martha
arc315 killed 420 threads! [39% kill rate]
- Andrew C (✓)
I'll be back after the game to address some of your comments. glad you guys like it!
- chrisofspades
199, 19%
- ronin
brome killed 145 threads! [31% kill rate]
- Brome
zoblue killed 248 threads! [25% kill rate]
- Zulema ❧ spicy cocoa tart
mokargas killed 265 threads! [26% kill rate] MUHAHAHAHA
- Mo Kargas
How about excluding single-message threads from the calculations? [31% kill rate]
- ЕП
martha you are the new top dog - welcome to the hall of fame of threadkillers ;)
- mike "glemak" dunn
Top five, 41%. I told you not to argue with me unless you had something to say. But it's a meaningless statistic unless recalculated in relation to all (presumably-read) subscribed-to feeds and their total number of comments. So I'm killing this thread ;-))
- ianf ⌘
ajkohn killed 203 threads! [20% kill rate]
- AJ Kohn
I do it all the time; I find thne key is to be obtuse and neutral, people have a hard time arguing or agreeing. FTW indeed... Or FTD.
- Aron Michalski
from fftogo
I killed 150 (15%). I'm not a heavy commenter anyway. :)
- Alejandro
*Deadpan* Oh hoo ray :D
- comix aka martha
It says I only killed 16 threads, which can't possibly be right.
- Morton Fox
I told you already, I AM KILLING THIS THREAD. Don't make me repeat this, or else.
- ianf ⌘
Can't you read? You begin in the left margin, and go letter-by-letter to the right: I AM KILLING THIS THREAD. Don't make me repeat this, or else
- ianf ⌘
You did that again! Uppercase apparently not enough for y'all. In any event here it is once more I AM KILLING THIS THREAD. Don't make me repeat this, or else
- ianf ⌘
metalerik killed 47 threads! [22% kill rate] I'm pretty sure I would have won this in my first few months though. now off to set alarm for 3 weeks from now to come back and kill.
- metalerik
37% is known as "nuthing" around here (41%). Anyway, folks, it's official: I AM KILLING THIS THREAD NOW. Go post somewhere else.
- ianf ⌘
vzx killed 144 threads! [14% kill rate]
- Vezquex
21%
- Robert Kenney
I stand bowed in awe. Still KILLING THIS THREAD, NOW. Move on to greener pastures, ye friendly sheep of Friendfeed!
- ianf ⌘
23%; not too shabby.
- Aron Michalski
from fftogo
LOL! I've killed 37% (355 threads...) bad, bad me.
- Karoli
No, you didn't you're still a kitten in ThreadKiller terms. Wasn't this THREAD KILLED by now?
- ianf ⌘
micahwittman killed 270 threads! [26% kill rate] ~ though I plead merely "put in a coma" for at least 12%.
- Micah
Nice work on this app, Chris. Look forward to its progress :)
- Micah
Man, if I could only count my comments from TechcrunchIT....
- Aron Michalski
from fftogo
gah ! most difficult comment ever... i think i'm at 238 / 24%
- Richard Walker
Phew! 210 threads for a 27% kill rate. I was worried that it was going to come up like 95%...
- Hookuh Tinypants
jemm killed 173 threads! [19% kill rate] Great idea :D
- Jemm
I've just created a group: http://friendfeed.com/ffthrea.... Please put all your questions, comments, and suggestions there, thanks!
- chrisofspades
imabonehead killed 255 threads! [24% kill rate]
- imabonehead
Oh, Wow! My kill rate is 48% (259 threads).
- Vijay
279, 32% :-( It would be nice to have a tweet this option.
- Kol Tregaskes
235, I thought I was good, until I read this thread!
- Mr. Gunn
Does this include entries imported via the custom RSS service in FF BTW?
- Kol Tregaskes
pattonroberta killed 206 threads! [30% kill rate]
- RAPatton
Yeah baby: rickcogley killed 216 threads! [32% kill rate]
- Rick Cogley
kateb killed 127 threads! [25% kill rate] That'll teach 'em
- Kate
joedawson killed 278 threads! [27% kill rate]
- Joe Dawson
castillo killed 206 threads! [26% kill rate]
- JA Castillo
woww, it's a great idea!
- Kaan Şengül
martha still tops at 46% - rock on :)
- mike "glemak" dunn
I only killed 20%? Feels like more...
- Holger Eilhard
30%, but when I checked the list, it included threads that I hadn't killed...or maybe I don't understand what a "kill" is....?
- MoTO #TeamMonique
I am with Barry -- what is the percentage of anyway?
- Brian Sullivan
261, 29% kill rate. I could play in the majors hitting .290
- SteVe C
baldie killed 155 threads! [17% kill rate]
- Rahul Das
guruvan killed 330 threads! [35% kill rate] -gonna have to work at th 46% - there should be another number on this that weights murderous effect by the sheer number of comments. (i.e. if you made 4 comments, and killed 2 threads, that's not as impressive as if you have 10,000 comments and killed 4,000 of them.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Yeah, except I call that "saved them from derailing." Anyway, GAME OVER THREAD KILLED HERE & NOW.
- ianf ⌘
@Guru .. this is true. why not also supply an outright a plain list of strongest commenteurs, but please, exclude those "descriptions imported as comments" ........ well i have seen a thread in russian here with 4600 comments . so i do wonder, who will kill this one ? :]]]] upd:btw, this is 111th comment .. wonder who will make 222th .. hm, maybe its 112th
- pb:
This tool is likely to prevent me from being a chatty Kathy on FriendFeed - Lucky for all of you!
- Arleen Boyd
I like being a thread killer (sometimes). It means you see my comment all the time ;) If there was a conclusion to be made in the discussion, it seems the thread killer made it. If, on the other hand, the thread was just a conversation, and some boor just spews forth and kills it...well....
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
what rob said ;)
- mike "glemak" dunn
when people posting at long comments threads, do you also read previous posts ? :]
- pb:
238 threads. 27%. http://ff.im/3VVzM
- Parth Awasthi
63 threads, 22% kill rate, excluding this one :) .
- Abhishek
petr - yes always
- mike "glemak" dunn
hm. i see ... should we somehow draw online - collaboration ... some scissor-- game to eliminate to the last, whol get to khool it here ? ...:I
- pb:
vmlemon killed 304 threads! [42% kill rate]
- Tyson Key
Meh
- Tyson Key
219 threads @ 24%
- Mitch
Thread killer doesn't like me... it doesn't see me. Or have I not killed any? Naw....
- Arleen Boyd
Arleen, it says "alohaarleen <http://friendfeed.com/alohaar...> killed *27* threads <http://friendfeed.com/alohaar...>! [40% kill rate]". you haven't killed many, but you do have some ;)
- chrisofspades
from email
I killed 135 threads! [22% kill rate] :o http://chrispeoples.com/ffthrea...
- Zulkarnain K.
8 threads! [10% kill rate]
- onurc
shey killed 150 threads! [25% kill rate] OUCH!
- Shey
180 threads -[20% rate] ... OUCH!!
- Amani
I'm getting ready to listen to the Ffundercats podcast, and found this thread on the Ffundercats blog page. empoprises killed 326 threads! [32% kill rate] I figured it would be higher, but perhaps it doesn't count threads that I start - if those were included, my kill rate would be much higher.
- John E. Bredehoft
John, it does count those threads, provided they have more than one comment. more info here: http://friendfeed.com/ffthrea...
- chrisofspades
from email
My thread-killing prowess has improved. Last week it was 269 threads and 26%, now it is 276 threads and 27%. Fear me!
- DGentry
25%
- Mike Reynolds
mitchelltsai killed 398 threads! [41% kill rate]
- Mitchell Tsai
keeping steady: .. killed 54 threads! [32% kill rate] including this one
- ЕП
bump: metalerik killed 251 threads! [34% kill rate]. nice to see I'm getting better at something! :)
- metalerik
it's not there anymore...
- Sed Non Satiata
Our Man In Chicago: Alderman Carothers, allow me to educate you on James Brown lyrics - http://ourmaninchicago.blogspot.com/2009...
Marie Carnes liked this
"Now, I'm not well-versed in matters of fraud and bribery - or no moreso than most people in Chicago and Illinois, which is to say "more than most of us would like to be" - but I do consider myself one of the top 20 experts on James Brown (Caucasian division). And I'm here to tell Alderman Carothers that, no, there is no "prominent" song by James Brown called "You've Got To Deal With It" (or even "You Got To Deal With It" as he was quoted by the Sun-Times)." Amused me as well - I'm only a top 50 expert in James Brown related matters, but was befuddled at this reference as well…
- Seth Anderson
Thing 1/25: I haven’t eaten a Nilla Wafer in 25 years because, while I love them, I love my sister more. - http://fury.com/2009...
azalea, Janine, Shellee and 30 other people liked this
Dreams are powerful, and I'm glad you shared this with us.
- O.Shane
=O.Shane. Thanks for sharing that, makes me feel as though I'm not the only one who has vivid and occasionally prescient dreams.
- EricaJoy
It's a good thing you weren't drinking a glass of water in your dream!
- Justin Santamaria
I do kinda miss Nilla Wafers though. :( oh well... Susie is totally worth it.
- Rachel Lea Fox
Yes, I should mention that, in solidarity, Rachel and Karen won't eat Nilla wafers either, even though I never asked them to refrain.
- Kevin Fox
Fascinating dreams. And great writing project. I don't recall ever having a dream with food in it, but I have had many dreams because of food I've eaten. Specifically, garlic makes me have vivid, crazy dreams, sometimes heart-pounding dreams.
- Marie Carnes
Very interesting! So what would you have done if I had (unknowingly) bought some Nilla wafers along as a snack for a poker night? (I certainly would never do it on purpose, having now read the story.)
- Stephen Mack #TeamMomo
Knowingly slipping you a wafer would certainly NOT be a joke. I hope that never happens to you because I think it could cause irreparable damage to a friendship.
- Anne Bouey
Oh if you'd unknowingly brought some to poker night it probably would have been fine. I wouldn't have had any but it'd be okay. And I may have eaten something with processed Nilla wafer in it in the last quarter-century, but if I didn't know, never found out, and it wasn't intentionally done, then I don't think it applies to my dream. I've already had two people joke about bringing or...
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- Kevin Fox
That's a lovely story and thank you for having the guts to share it. (Love the minimalist design of your blog, too - very nice.)
- Rick Cogley
The few times I have dreamed about birth and death and have awakened to find them true have persuaded me: you're doing the right thing.
- Mary B: #TeamMonique
awww sweet story...wow, true love
- Susan Beebe
You can now get email / IM notifications for individual groups and individual people. Just click "Email / IM" on any profile page. Once you have turned on notifications for a feed, it will also be visible on your notifications page at http://friendfeed.com/setting...
Matt Kaufman, Jannifer @wordsforliving, Roy Liu and 140 other people liked this
You guys have been busy
- Johnny
I think FriendFeed just became a Google Groups replacement.
- Daniel Sims
Sweet!
- alieb
Fifth!
- Josh Haley
Sixth!
- Alfredo 亜瑠布れっど
that great .. thanks!
- Jay
awesome work guys
- Jamie
Is there any way to integrate the Desktop notification app with Growl on MacOSX?
- Peter Murray
Wow, this is a nice addition. More and more you can use FF for your one stop shop ...even replacing RSS reader (it is close).
- Amani
Quite cool, indeed. Thanks!
- Brett Kelly
Lovin' this. Need to go to bed so will set it up tomorrow. Thanks!
- Molly
Since I started using twitter, it's been one feature removal after another. FriendFeed, on the other hand, keeps adding features -- features I might not use or might turn off, but features none the less. When can I buy FriendFeed stock (or what do I need to do to get some options)?
- Andy Bakun
very cool, keep up the new features coming
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
Excellent, thanks guys.
- Kol Tregaskes
See MG Siegler's nice write up on this new feature over on TechCrunch http://www.techcrunch.com/2009...
- Susan Beebe
this is pure awesome-sauce.
- Marcel Weiß
very kool. any chance you will have this for saved searches in the future?
- (jeff)isageek
imaginary friends are back! ;D
- Jordi Gerona
+1 (jeff)isageek for IM/email notifications on new posts to your Saved Searches
- Nathan Chase
This thread was discussed on the FFundercats (http://www.ffundercats.com/2009...)
- Josh Haley
Any opinions on "show my friends' commented and liked feeds, too" option? It used to be here before, now it's gone.
- Özkan Altuner
it's awesome how often you guys are launching new features; it's definitely setting a terrific pace for others to follow. Great job.
- Muneer Mirza
Did Twitter Just Kill #followfriday? | Stay N' Alive - http://staynalive.com/article...
carl morris, Mathew A. Koeneker, Amie Gillingham and 39 other people liked this
"In a very vague statement today that I guess Twitter doesn’t expect us to understand, Twitter removed, without warning or feedback from users it would seem, any and all Tweets in your stream that include @replies to people you are not following."
- Chris Charabaruk
from Bookmarklet
Twitter may have just killed the relevancy of twitter. This is a stupid move
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Just one more in a series of them, Rob.
- Chris Charabaruk
from IM
long live identi'ca!
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
This will make it difficult to find new people to follow. There will be no hint of their existence. I guess we're all supposed to follow Oprah, Ashton, and Shaq.
- DGentry
I just can't get over how stupid this is...the relevance for twitter is the noisiness and the publicness of the thing...without that, twitter is nothing
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Think about it... Doesn't this also mean the possible death of retweets? After all, if Twitter hides a link tweet because the retweeter mentioned the original poster...
- Chris Charabaruk
I'm thinking that it only hides replies that begin with @. I'm seeing retweets just fine. If so, then #followfriday should work just the same.
- Michael McKean
of course the RT is what's killing followfriday in the first place. No, I think Jesse is probably correct
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Even if that's the case, it's still a bad decision to make this change. Give us an option, that's okay, but just hiding them straight-up is bullshit. I've actually found decent people I never would have known about, because someone I knew replied to them. Now that ability is gone because Biz and Ev decided without even considering the effects on users.
- Chris Charabaruk
me too, Chris. I monitor the conversations of people I admire or am interested in and I'll take a peek if they are conversing with someone I don't know.
- Laura Norvig
Apparently Ev and Biz have decided that we should all only follow people we already know and never find anyone new on Twitter to follow.
- Jandy
no, they think we should do that and follow famous people too. like oprah.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Jandy: Ah, that same stupid decision that Zuckerberg made some time ago?
- Chris Charabaruk
I've never understood why some updates show up in my timeline and some don't. I've had direct replies never show up on my page. when I follow someone, I want to see all their updates.
- Richard Lawler
Chris, I agree. Taking away the option is stupid. I guess they want us to use Twitter as THEY see fit.
- Michael McKean
I suggested the other day, it's a shame when people's dreams stand in the way of others truly realizing and utilizing the full potential of the dreamer's creations.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Biz and Ev need to learn that when you release a social tool, it's not yours any more. It belongs to your users.
- Chris Charabaruk
Not feeling this at all. What's the point?
- Derrick
two notes questions - 1. why wouldn't you want to see *ANY* mention of your user name in the "mentions" tab? 2. could this be something coming from the celebs? no idea just throwing it out there.
- Allen Stern
Is this just a lame excuse to lighten the load on their servers?
- Michael McKean
Michael: This wouldn't lighten the load much if at all. They now have to filter out these messages for _everyone_, not just those who had the appropriate option on. Slightly simpler code, more server load.
- Chris Charabaruk
That makes no sense whatsoever. I have met some great tweeps as a result of a follow up to a hashtag or @comment I posted. I agree with Michael- why wouldn't you want to see/monitor your name mentions. Maybe Chris is correct.
- Karma Martell
I just can't figure out the logic behind this. Perhaps because there isn't any.
- Michael McKean
Karma, Allen: You'll still see mentions of yourself. You won't see tweets which only reference users you don't follow.
- Chris Charabaruk
Agreed, Twitter suddenly makes a really bad move. Cuts out lots of relevant conversation.
- Mike Reynolds
If @A follows @B but not @C, @A won't see posts from @B replying to @C unless @A is mentioned in them somewhere. That kinda thing.
- Chris Charabaruk
This seems fine at first, but when you count the number of times where you've made a good connection with @C when you're @A, it becomes insanely stupid.
- Chris Charabaruk
I think what they're trying to say is, "We think you're too stupid to figure out this feature, therefore we are removing it completely."
- Michael McKean
Chris, thks for clarifying, but still a shame. Seeing the threads is part of the allure.
- Karma Martell
It is a real shame. Because depending on how Twitter does the filtering, this could kill off #followfriday.
- Chris Charabaruk
exactly- insanely stupid
- Karma Martell
really it is killing crowdsourcing
- Karma Martell
Holly: After all their screw-ups and downtime, and FSM knows what else, you want to trust them? They lost my trust long, long ago.
- Chris Charabaruk
Karma: Exactly Holly: the folky who created twitter are the ones making the bad decisions because they don't use their creation
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Yes, Twitter just killed #followfriday and any time a person uses @USERNAME in a way other than meaning a REPLY to that person.
- Mike Reynolds
I think this excerpt from Download Squad article http://u.nu/97e5 nails it: "Perhaps the recent popularity of Twitter as a way to contact celebrities -- we're post-Oprah here, people -- made users a little sick of seeing the people they followed replying to celebrities they didn't follow or care about. There's a fairly simple solution to that, though: change the @reply settings...
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- Sharon McPherson
Mike, make them stop. Thank you.
- Derrick
I think it also mean that "If I said some thing like I was talking to @Jesse today" and you don't follow @ Jesse, you won't know that I did that.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Rob: Exactly right.
- Chris Charabaruk
This is stupid, this is preventing me from seeing tweets that I might want to see. Stupid. FriendFeed and identi.ca FTW!!!!!
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
What's weird is that I'm still seeing @ replies sent to people I'm not following - but - only if the tweet is sent from a Twitter app.
- Sharon McPherson
It's possible that the filter change itself hasn't gone live yet; it's simple to pull a checkbox out of an HTML form, but a bit more complicated to change the underlying code.
- Chris Charabaruk
Sharon, heh. If it only filters out web replies, maybe it's not such a big issue? I don't know anyone who doesn't use a client. (I'm lying - I still think it's a big issue.)
- Jandy
AJ Kohn relayed a thought in a separate thread that Twitter is essentially killing the protocol for RETWEETS.
- Mike Reynolds
I just asked one of the client developers what this was going to mean for their application. I'm waiting to hear back on this
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
the API clients may be able to work around the issue in other ways too. the web users are screwed tho (but they need to get off the lousy web site anyhow)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
The only method I could see working is pull individual users' RSS feeds, and no doubt there'd be some limit on that. This could end in violence between Twitter and client developers.
- Chris Charabaruk
Even then, if Twitter stops putting tweets starting with @ in the feeds, then we're pretty much screwed to see them. Total fail.
- Chris Charabaruk
depends on what the API is actually pulling...I'm not an expert on that, but yes, RSS feeds would would fine
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Twitter updated the post, so it's just tweets starting with a @reply (mentions elsewhere are okay). Still, it's a bad call. There's a lot to be found by following someone's replies.
- Chris Charabaruk
It sill kills the inadvertent tweet " @soandso said to me yesterday that Twitter, Inc. was elitist" when you're not following @soandso
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Chris Charabaruk: I agree! As I said in another thread, Twitter is about to get very boring.
- Sharon McPherson
I generally try to phrase those differently so it's not a @reply kind of tweet, but yeah, a lot of people don't bother doing that.
- Chris Charabaruk
Sharon: Charabaruk. Only one C.
- Chris Charabaruk
What a horrible ridiculous #FAIL on Twitter's part. I hope they see the error of their ways within the next 48 hours or they're going to be missing a lot of users really soon.
- Jillian York
Chris Charabaruk: My apologies, edited.
- Sharon McPherson
Thank you.
- Chris Charabaruk
Jillian: It's rare for Twitter to back down from a stupid decision. It's happened before, I think, but I doubt they will over this.
- Chris Charabaruk
what is the way to tell them? and, what is the hashtag to use to discuss this so it trends to the top and gets their attention?
- Bora Zivkovic
There's no good way to tell them, except perhaps in person. I don't think they watch their own replies, or read email.
- Chris Charabaruk
Bora: The hashtag is #fixreplies
- Sharon McPherson
If a ton of people started tweet-boming @twitter @ev and @biz they would hear it
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
OK, I see people are using #fixreplies
- Bora Zivkovic
They don't watch their own @replies? Well, no wonder they have no idea how people are using their service!
- Jandy
Jandy: I'm not certain that they don't read 'em, but if they don't, that certainly explains A LOT.
- Chris Charabaruk
Excerpt from ReadWrite Web article: "This isn't a small change at all, it's big and it's bad. The new setting eliminates serendipitous social discovery." http://u.nu/89e5
- Sharon McPherson
yeah!
- @baratunde
Um, I think #twitterfail is already hitting pretty hard enough. It'll catch bigger media attention than #fixreplies.
- Jillian York
@jillian, you can't stop a hashtag. train has left!
- @baratunde
Doesn't hurt to use both, if you can squeeze 'em in.
- Chris Charabaruk
Chris Charabaruk: I led the team that got LinkedIn to back down on blocking Syrian users. I have faith.
- Jillian York
@baratunde #twitterfail already took off ;)
- Jillian York
I just sent a handfullt of tweets "#fixreplies @twitter @ev @biz blah blah blah"
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Jandy: I've made that point to @ev and @biz on several occasions, and I made it again tonight. How can you make decisions like this whan NO ONE at twitter uses Twitter?
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
@jillian, according to http://hashtags.org/ #fixreplies is on the top list. no sign of #twitterfail. i'm using both to be safe
- @baratunde
OMG I got great number of retweets on my barrage! wo0t!
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
puls a ton of retweets of Jesse's original blog post about killing Followfriday lol!
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
@baratunde shit, now that's just a testament to how fast twitter works. i'm sticking with both too though. and summize is mad backed up as always.
- Jillian York
holly have you tried twitter searches via an API client?
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
TweetDeck is actually working fine for me, it seems. I can use it as I used to.
- Jillian York
Hilariously, #followfriday is a popular tag right now based on the fact that people are retweeting this and other similar posts!
- Jillian York
One of the API app developers that I'm in contact with suggested that his app will not be affected by such a change...this leads to me think that the way that API calls get the data, it's up to the app developer how to interpret it. This is something that will primarily affect twitter.com web users. (and who would want to do that anyhow?)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Has it come out yet why Twitter did this? I mean, are they going to replace it with something new and vibrant like they did with the other stuff they took away? LOL.
- Marie Carnes
Heres one: RT @ev Reading people's thoughts on the replies issue. We're considering alternatives. Thanks for your feedback. 14 minutes ago from web
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
It would appear that tweetbombing @ev and @ biz DOES have an effect ;-)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Rob, NICE! We did trend pretty quickly with #fixreplies.
- Jandy
I definitely think a good amount of people sent that directly to ev and biz, so they had to notice. hehehe. I love it when a plan comes together
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
@Marie. awesome
- @baratunde
baratunde, glad you liked it :)
- Marie Carnes
I *can* see replies from people I dont know in Tweetdeck, checking for Seesmic.
- Jacque
I still don't know what follow friday is. I could use a search engine to find out, but that would be cheating.
- Chuck Baggett
lol! Snark alert! haha
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Ev and Biz- what are you guys smoking? #fixreplies
- Siddharth Deb
From my understanding (and correct me if i'm wrong) Twitter basically is "privatizing" the whole experience..?
- Aline Ohannessian
That would seem counter to the direction of the rest of the web, and the entirety of twitter, so no, I don't think that's correct Aline. I think, given @biz's bs this morning about the engineering team reminding him this is a technical necessity, that twitter is grasping at straws trying to cut interprocess messaging traffic down in order to stay afloat. While I'm not an expert in the...
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- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
I hope so. #followfriday with it's laundry lists of users in 140 characters is SPAM. It's of no value to me at all. Tell me one or two people you recommend and why. I never click on lists of people and summarily unfollow all the people I followed who insisted on this means of promoting others. Think about it. We don't refer or recommend anything in multiples--movies, restaurants etc. Twitter should be no different.
- Gregg Scott
Gregg: you're missing the fundamental purpose of followfriday as it exists today: Get to the Top of the TopFollowFriday list. It's no longer about recommending your followers, but getting enough of them to reciprocate so that you can make it to the top 100 users on the topfollowfriday.com (and similar) lists. Once you make it onto that list, the odds of getting retweeted go up...
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- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Thank you for setting me straight!
- Gregg Scott
Agree on FollowFriday - I hate it. No context to the recommendations (unlike seeing all @replies)
- Jamie
I do participate occasionally in recommending people on FollowFriday, but I do it as Gregg suggests is the proper way. I put at most 3 people in a tweet, but only because they are all related to the reason I gave for recommending them. But, I only send out a handful of recommendations. And sometimes I recommend application providers, or even bots. There's a few bots I really like. Oh, and I try to remember to recommend @followmenot he hates being followed. heh.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
My solution to newspaper sales slip: Re-run classic comics strips. Terry and Pirates. Mike Nomad. Lil Abner. Run 'rm in bunches, full size.
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Maryam needs a new car. Which should she get? Toyota Sienna/minivan or a Honda Pilot? Anything else in this class we should consider?
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Most important to us? We have five members of our family. Actually six, since Maryam's mom lives with us. So we need a big car now to take us all around. Also important? Resale value. Gas mileage. Reliability. Ratings on Consumer Reports, etc.
- Robert Scoble
Mt want to look at Toyota Highlander. Believe it gives good gas mileage.
- kamla bhatt
Matthew: does the Forrester seat six?
- Robert Scoble
kamla: Highlander not big enough. My ex had one of those.
- Robert Scoble
Nick: Japanese brands typically have better resale and better reliability.
- Robert Scoble
Pilot or Honda Odessey
- Shiva
After our minivan era, we (my wife) got a Pacifica. I like it better than the Pilot/other crossovers. A little more power (mercedes engine) and plenty roomy for us (w/2 children).
- Jim Mitchem
Are you going to use it as a ski car?
- Christian Anderson
Forrester seats 5.
- Jordan Hofker
I would stick with minivans. They are easier to drive and comes with great perks that would be great for a family of six or larger.
- Shevonne
Christian: we go up to Tahoe once in a while.
- Robert Scoble
Honda Pilot.
- Russellreno
The Pilot. But I'm a Honda fangirl, since my family has had umpteen Hondas/Acuras, and they've all run up to 200k miles and more with no serious issues.
- Jandy
Really? A Minivan? The Mazda CX-7 & CX-9 are supposed to be great cars and can fit up to 7 (on the CX-9). But if you don't need that many people in the car, consider getting a wagon from VW, Audi, or BMW. The 328 Sports wagon gets 27 mpg and is one fun car/wagon to drive. I know... I owned one before I moved to NYC.
- Christopher Gizzi
I just went through this. I wanted a more regular ski car and didn't need to schlep quite so many bodies so we picked up a Nissan xterra. An awd mini van might work better for y'all
- Christian Anderson
Been there recently.. Nissan Murano.. really a great car. [Edit: but it's not that big. Toyota Highlander would probably be better for you]
- Aviv
actually, if you need a car that large the Buick Enclave is HANDS DOWN the nicest new people mover out. and Mr. Scoble... the VW Routan is actually a variation on the best selling minivan ever, the Crysler Town&Country.
- glen green
The Toyota Sienna is the Blue-Ray HD version of a Camry, so one cannot go wrong in getting one. Ours has made clicking kids into their seats much easier on my wife's and my noggin while avoiding the head bumps:)
- Roney Smith
The Subaru Forrester is the most popular car among English aristocracy, according to Top Gear (season 3, episode 3). It's doesn't attract attention, can go anywhere, carries a lot, and lasts so long that they pass it on to their children.
- Jayson Elliot
The Forrester Is way too small. It's in the same class as the hylander
- Christian Anderson
Jayson: the Subaru isn't big enough. Thanks!
- Robert Scoble
Matthew: that's pretty cool, but I like Japanese cars. Toyota has treated several branches of our family very well and Alex has a Honda that's great.
- Robert Scoble
You might want to also check out the Mazda 5. My friend Chris just got one and it gets decent gas mileage, is apparently fairly well regarded on CR and is quite a bit cheaper than a Pilot. You might have to get passed the shape though. I think Chris got his with two rear LCD screens for like $23k.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
Two relatively new Nissan's in the family. Nothing but RAVES from here ...
- Charlie Anzman
I looked at the 4runner pretty closely when I was looking. It has third row seating that is pretty accessible
- Christian Anderson
We ended up getting a Volvo XC90 (1 kids is 10, one kid is 7 and uses the built in booster seat, and one is 2 and a half and has a Brittax car seat - the absolute BEST car seat I've owned for any of our kids) because it was the ONLY car that could sit all three kids across the middle bench AND have room for 2 more in the third row. HOWEVER, we did extensive research on vans and really the only one that had the right mix of safety, reliability and technology was the Toyota Siena. Buy Toyota.
- Tim
Murano/CX-7/Odyssey are good choices (if you don't mind the ugly snout on the Murano). The Audi wagons are also good though will probably be too small. Toyota Avensis, Tarago are also good, but man are they slow :). Out of the left field suggestion: BMW X5 3.0D...
- Mo Kargas
If the Saturn Vue or (the bigger model - the name escapes me) is still using a Honda engine then you get the good engine without Honda price. I have an 05 Vue that essentially has the same engine as a Pilot. It's been a great car.
- AJ Kohn
When our twins were born, we got a Honda Odyssey because 1) we like Hondas and 2) they have the power sliding doors (actuated from keyfob) on both sides, making it easy to load two babies / small children even though our hands were full. Your young'uns are close enough in age that your situation isn't dissimilar. You should look into a Honda Odyssey or Toyota Sienna.
- Elden Nelson
On a related note, regardless of whatever you have currently, spend the money and buy both kids a Brittax marathon carseat as soon as they are heavier than 10 pounds. It is the best and safest seat on the market and it will be the last seat you buy for both kids until they are into seat only booster seats. Like our Bugaboo stroller, I wish I had bought the Brittax first.
- Tim
My wife and I would echo what Elden just said - our Odyssey has been fantastic.
- Micah
we love our sienna and it's lasted several years w/o major expense.
- MikeAmundsen
As my wife read these comments, she chimed in that the Chysler Town and Country was also our favorite. It has incredible features (the halo lights are amazing and would be tremendously useful on long trips), and it is a great handling car. Plus you get the added plus of buying American. Just make sure the warranty will still be something you can use if they go out of business...
- Tim
Don't know how you could feel good about buying a chrystler right now.
- Christian Anderson
I currently have a 2006 Toyota Sienna. It has been a great car to this point. Lease is up in a month and leaning towards the Pilot now that the kids can handle the doors on their own. A friend of mine just went from the 2006 to the 2009 Sienna and said the quality had dropped a notch or two. Minivan has better milage and easier access for all. Kind of nice when your hands are full of kids, groceries or camera gear to be able to push a button and open the doors.
- gfurry
We had a Mazda5 in Switzerland and loved it. The US version is a bit more stripped down, but still is fun.
- Morton Swimmer
Mark: we are pretty sure we are going with a minivan.
- Robert Scoble
Are you looking new or used? The Ford Windstar/Freestar has been very good for us. I don't think Ford is selling those new any more though.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse: new. Mark: although Leo has us thinking Highlander again.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, then I say go with Toyota. I've had very good experience with Toyota.
- Jesse Stay
Sienna. best Minivan hands down
- Jeff (Team マクダジ )
Yeah we replaced a 1999 Siena with the Highlander. The Siena has been a great car (it's now the kids' car).
- Leo Laporte
That's very true Mark - the Siena was an easier car for young kids. Especially if you get the automatic sliding door. We had it for 10 years.
- Leo Laporte
My mom has a highlander as her primary car. It was great toting around my 90 year old great Aunt. When I visit the West coast in May I'll use it for 2 weeks - I'll tell you how our family of 5 worked in it.
- Tim
try the honda minivan or the Ford Flex. The Flex is assume.
- Comptr
Personally I would go with the Honda Pilot. I've owned nothing by Hondas my entire life, quality has remained consistent from the 90's in my experience. I own a Pilot and (not sure how much this applies to people living in California) but it handles awesome in all weather, especially crazy snow. Tons of room, we have 2 dogs and it holds up to them easily. It rides INCREDIBLY smooth,...
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- Devlin Dunsmore
from twhirl
My mom has a Pilot that's about 5 years old. It still rides real smooth and we've never had problems with it. I'm very happy with Honda's and how durable they are. Don't know much about the other cars, but I don't think you can go wrong with the Pilot choice.
- Michael
Devlin: Toyota PR just contacted me on Twitter @SonaMoon said hi and offered her help if I needed anything.
- Robert Scoble
I'm renting a Nissan Sentra while my car is being repaired: DON'T GET ONE OF THOSE!! Awful car.
- Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
Hmm, interested that Toyota is actively watching Twitter - not suprised by definitely interested. I wonder if other manufacturers are watching this conversation
- Mo Kargas
What about the Ford hybrid SUV?
- Karoli
do you need power or towing? then get SUV. want better MPG, get minivan. Sienna is the best minivan... SUV i would say Yukon XL, you can get a smoking deal on one right now.. and they have gobs of room, AWD for crap weather, and great power.
- Jeff (Team マクダジ )
My absolute favorite big family car is the Marathon (has a jump seat). But since they don't make 'em anymore, definitely go with the Toyota Siena.
- Marie Carnes
I think you should get a Tahoe since your a fan of that new Eminem track!
- Garin Kilpatrick
Hummer
- Indio Apache
from twhirl
Can't help here - my advice is always "buy used" - I am a luddite in cars and only buy them used, and once I know which models can just keep going hassle free for years.
- Iphigenie
I´m with Nick. Volkswagen are great quality cars (and have the coolest in-dash Siemens manufactured media/HDD/navigation system which also counts in this day and age;)). I upgraded the firmware on the navi this weekend, and also have a CAN-BUS cable for general hacking of the car, the ultimate geek car:) I have the Touran Turbo-diesel which I guess is the Routan overseas in the US. VW FTW!
- ɯɥøq sɐɯoɥʇ
VW Touran != Routan . Routan is a rebadged Chrysler and it is supposed to suck. The Touran is much better, but not sold in the US.
- Morton Swimmer
VW makes great quality cars? When I bought my Jetta in 2001 that was definitely not true. After the fact I read the Consumer Reports guide that showed VW having terrible quality problems, should have read it before buying the car. Have things improved greatly at VW since 2001?
- DGentry
I do like me some Subaru... the Forester is great, as is the Tribeca
- Lou
Our '03 Odyssey is a great vehicle. I don't care for minivans or SUV's, but if I had to choose one or the other (as I did six years ago), I'd go for a minivan: they're more versatile, usually seat more, and get better mileage than a comparable SUV.
- Steve Lowe
POWER SLIDING DOORS! I swallowed my man pride once I had kids for this luxury alone.
- Chris McLean
Chris: funny enough I see the practicality of this. My wife is the one resisting the mini-van thing. I think she's finally coming around, though. :-)
- Robert Scoble
I love my Honda Pilot
- andy brudtkuhl
If you don't need the third row seats, really consider the Honda CR-V. Very utilitarian with much better gas mileage. If the third row is a necessity and you really want a people mover, Odyssey is hard to top.
- Mark Philpot
Mark: yeah, I need the third row.
- Robert Scoble
I have a Forester and I like it, but it's definitely too small for what you need.
- Nathan Rein
We like our Ford Expedition Limited. Really like the auto fold down 3rd row seats. Only get about 18 mpg though...
- J.D. Deutschendorf
Of those two, Honda Pilot. No two ways.
- Parth Awasthi
Of those two, Toyota Sienna. No two ways.
- Ken Sheppardson
Honda Pilot was redesigned for 09.It get's my vote. I would take the MDX over the pilot though
- Gordon Ebanks
I'm on my third Dodge minivan (drove the first 14 years, second was hit my a truck) They don't get the mpg of the motorized rollerskates, but you can seat 6 comfortably and fold down seats for cargo. Very servicable.
- Robert Hafer
Go with the minivan. She'll never regret the amount of space. It's easier to maneuver to around inside, and we were able to fit a full size couch with the door shut in our minivan. You'd never be able to accomplish that with an SUV like the Pilot.
- Mike Bruder
I'm a little late to the party here but to me there is no question; go with the Sienna. We're on our second and will likely be getting another when our lease expires later this year. It gets better gas mileage than any other mini-van or SUV and has way more room than anything but the giant SUV's. It's comfortable and reliable and if you want you can get it in AWD (with a loss of 1 or 2 mpg).
- Kenton
Another thing to that I like about a minvan is sliding doors. No matter how hard the kids swing them open in a crowded parking lot they can't hit the car next to us. I can't say the same about my other car.
- gfurry
gfurry, very good point. We just recently replaced a two-door car with a 4-door hatch. I've lost track of the number of near misses or thumps into the posts of our carport. All the kids want to do is get out of the car as fast as they can.
- Kenton
Volkswagen has a new diesel engine that not only burns bio-fuel but gets more than 60 mpg. Don't know if they offer it on the van, but the campers are cool.
- Phil Boiarski
Volkswagen and others have lots of great diesel engines. For some reason they only share a couple of them with us in America. Why can't I buy a VW Van with a diesel in the US?
- gfurry
Love my Honda Odyssey. Toyota wanted to nickel & dime me with options (want *two* sliding doors? That'll be $$ please, thanks!) and wouldn't remove the ugly fake wood detail work. No thanks!
- Don MacAskill
Toyota Sienna is a fantastic vehicle. We've had two in a row, with the last one being acquired last year. We bought it because we wanted AWD, but you'd do well with either this or the Honda minivan. Incidentally, with two infants - having auto opening and sliding doors is a big advantage to getting a minivan.
- David Geller
We have had two Toyota Siennas ... great vehicles and good seating options, auto doors, and easy to break down the seats for hauling big stuff around as a mini-moving van
- Steve Holden
"Madness does not always howl. Sometimes, it's the quiet voice at the end of the day saying, "Hey, is there room in your head for one more?"
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Love that.
- Karoli
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