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@Scobleizer You're right. Seth Godin seems more of a talker than a doer when it comes to social media.
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Fool.com: How a Start-up Evolves - http://www.fool.com/news...
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"Businesses grow from start-up to conglomerate in three distinct phases, each of which is driven by a different type of person." Phase 1: Commandos (people who create something out of nothing, turning an idea into a product). Phase 2: Infrantry (people who turn a promising start-up into a profitable business with systematic development, manufacturing, and sales efforts). Phase 3: Police (an occupying force intent on holding territory, bureaucrats defending the empire, approximately as interested in reducing expenses as growing sales).
- Jess Lee
from Bookmarklet
Phases 1 and 2 are awesome. 3, not so much.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
Like the names of the phases at least. Phase 1 is definitely the most fun!
- Kieran Daly
4. Profit!!!
- Alvin Woon
@Alvin: You skipped a step! It should be 4. ???? 5. Profit : )
- Jess Lee
Jess - that sounds like the plan for all sorts of web companies.
- Andrew C
I'm so glad I work in videogames! (where profits aren't even in the plans, usually. =P )
- Andrew C
Spoiler Alert: Jesus dies in The Passion of the Christ
ExistMe, Mona Nomura, Live4Emma (L4S) and 42 other people liked this
WHAT! No! This is almost as bad as when VH1 ruined the Sixth Sense for me.
- Mike Nayyar
COME ON I HAD THIS ON MY NETFLIX QUEUE.
- Mark Trapp
Couldn't you have just put that in the comments! I was going to see that one! Thanks a lot, assclown!!
- David Cook
Ha! Already read the book! :P
- Michael McKean
Michael, I read the book, too, but my copy ends before this Jesus character comes around.
- Akiva Moskovitz
No big deal. Jack Sparrow died at the end of "Pirates of the Carribean: Dead Man's Chest," and they still brought him back for one more awful sequel. In "Passion II: The Hades, You Say!" Jesus' ragtag band of Apostles journey to the underworld to rescue their Lord and Saviour -- with hilarious results!
- Chris Baskind
Suddenly overcome with the urge to watch Wholly Moses and Life of Brian back-to-back.
- Akiva Moskovitz
I always thought it was odd that so many Christians got so involved about this movie. I don't share their beliefs, but from what I understand his life and resurrection are the important bits...anybody can get beaten for 2 hours and strung up, it's the other bits that are supposed to be special.
- Neal Jansons
It's what Jesus went through that make the other bits so much more compelling for Christians. Back then, anyone could get crucified but the excruciations were, well, legendary.
- Akiva Moskovitz
I hear he comes back in the sequel
- Paul Haahr
Then he came back with bunnies and chocolate eggs.
- Morton Fox
Jesus was hilarious in that one
- Steve C
I'm pretty sure there is 2nd act aka The Return
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
movie was just ok for me... until the "raindrop" happened. That blew. me. away.
- vijay
I heard he just faked the death for three days and then disappeared. Publicity stunt for getting lot's of followers, but with zero activity after that. I wonder if he claimed to be a "social media guru" ;)
- Jemm
nahh he's an old media guy Jemm, Jesus might have some problems understanding twitter :-)
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
NO WAI!
- Steven Perez
Moskovitz, you RAT BASTARD!
- Jim Is Not Smart
Your ruined it!!!!!
- Baard @ Pixum
No way! Did you know that the ship sinks in Titanic?
- James Ferguson
I already thought the book was unnecessarily confusing and didn´t think Mel would be the right guy to clarify anything concerning christian ethics, the jews or anything.
- Thomas Bøhm
@hugobarauna ela tinha uma API favorita tb!?!? (atenção mulheres: falem q tem uma API favorita pro @hugobarauna e ele gama fácil!)
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Oh, I totally get why friendfeed doesn't do profiles now. Google is doing those. Google is also doing app platforms with Open Social. So, add friendfeed's feed + Google Profile + Google Open Social. What do you have? FACEBOOK KILLER!
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There's a method to the madness. Googlers + Xooglers = Win.
- LogEx
Well, HMMM.
- Rochelle
Absolutely. That's encouraging.
- Michelle McCormack
FriendFeed gets bought by Google this year?
- Jesse Stay
Fewer profiles to maintain = Win
- Julie Bovee Hill
I've hear that line of thought before usually with the resulting equation being "Windows Killer" or "Google Killer" or "Cisco Killer".
- Adi
I suspect some kind of deal between Google and FriendFeed has already been done. I have a private account on FF. When I entered my FF URL on Google Profile, a full list of all my services feeding into my PRIVATE FF account showed up on Google Profile for me to add. Not sure I like that FF shared this info with Google, if that's what happened.
- Dominic Jones
I haven't seen anything from the FriendFeed folks that makes me think they'd want to be acquired by Google. I'd sorta like to see things go the other way, with the other components of a "facebook killer" offered by other smaller firms/teams and standards for interoperability and communication between the parts.
- Ken Sheppardson
Crazy! it seems to be getting to critical mass for the big players.. isn't this also something Microsoft are trying to do? i.e. their new stuff with profiles/links to other social sites.. but yes, I wonder if facebook has finished it's honeymoon? more open and flexible aspects with the stuff you mentioned.. i.e. google app platform etc.. but seems more open? good stuff though!! back into friendfeed... lost it for a while, but can see why it's so cool!
- David Sheardown
That's weird I just said that same thing a few hours ago here http://beta.friendfeed.com/techcru...
- Chip Ramsey
I like the fact that it just showed all my feeds coming into FF. Certainly makes it easier for me.
- Carl Joseph
Friendfeed bought by Google = I cancel my FF account faster than you can say "don't be evil."
- Shawn K. Quinn
@Carl For me it was kinda creepy. I'd like to know how Google knows what services I have coming into FF if my account is private and I haven't let Google follow me.
- Dominic Jones
Dominic, I was spooked when I first saw that too, but if your services are public and you use a consistent username, many of those may be coming simply from Googles search index.
- LogEx
FriendFeed doesn't have to get bought by Google. Both companies share the open web philosophy... interoperable technologies, portable data, etc.
- LogEx
@logical extremes Nah, it was the exact list of services I have coming into FF. Including custom feeds with inconsistent account names. Either Google keeps a record of each FF user (I switched from public FF to a private FF account about three weeks ago) or FF shares this info with Google.
- Dominic Jones
I would be shocked if FF shared private account details with the GOOG. Previously having your feed public could easily explain it.
- LogEx
You don't think it's interesting that Google is storing a handy little file on each FF user and all the services they have coming into their accounts? I find that intriguing.
- Dominic Jones
Dominic, just saw this... Matt Cutts says Google usses OpenSocial API to find services for the profile suggestion... http://friendfeed.com/e...
- LogEx
Ah, so it makes no difference if you have private account on FF, it's not private http://socialgraph-resources.g...
- Dominic Jones
YAY a Facebook killer !! Please say it is soooo!! YES!!!!!
- Susan Beebe
Dominic, this is Google's Social Graph API, not a special deal with FF. As long as they have a cached version of your profile page, they will be able to find the services you were using.
- Pat Hawks
@ Pat thanks. Learn something new every day.
- Dominic Jones
For this to totally work; picasa (or one of the others) is going to have to become popular with the Google profiles, as well as getting tied into status updates from clients like ping.fm
- Keith Barrett
I think it's a whatever-Google-wants-to-snuff killer. Social media "sites" will become anachronistic. It's just going to be a layer on top of everything we do online.
- Chris Baskind
I have to admit, I got pretty gosh darn excited when I saw the vanity URL option last week for the Google Profile -- that's a really big step into the social space -- Google's stepping into the pool folks!! woo hoo!!
- Susan Beebe
This ain't nothing until it's done. Then it is still nothing until we start using it in large numbers :)
- DC Crowley
Dominic, you were indexed while that page was public; it hasn't been crawled since. The Social Graph API uses the same crawler as Google Search.
- Kevin Marks
I'm afraid I dont want to hand out all that market to google - fear it would kill experimentation and innovation in the field.
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
Interesting theory Robert, least you got your username I have had to settle for joe.dawsons from Gmail
- Joe Dawson
Hmmmmm...would it be sufficiently different from Facebook to entice mass migration?
- Heather
..but do you think we will follow the path - unless we are forced to?
- Sampad Swain
facebok killer would be interesting. But if non-techies over at facebook can't manage their site, how would they ever manage friendfeeed? Plus, the numbers of 200 million to 1 million is about a snowballs chance in hell.
- Peter Efland
An expanded FF profile would be nice (not on the feed page but something linked off it) but why Google's? I'm not arguing with you, Robert, just want to hear more of your thought on this please. #betakoltag-sg-profile
- Kol Tregaskes
I found that not all of the suggested accounts were correct but not surprised by the relative accuracy since I've already seen the same type of service elsewhere.
- Rick Bucich
Wonder when they'll get acquired then - late 2009? 2010?
- Nicholas James
FriendFeed getting bought by Google would suck: how long would it take for them to port the entire thing to Google's infrastructure? That's how long nothing would happen with FriendFeed. Think Jaiku and Google Voice/Grandcentral.
- Mark Trapp
Just exaggeration scoble...that won't kill facebook. That seems too nerdy for mainstream, as simple as friendfeed is it's still complicated for a shitload of people. I think you're too quick to dub new services 'facebook killers"
- Gordon Swaby
so when will this mutant start to kill? timeframe?
- Pico Seno
Maybe the word "killer" should be banned from any social networks/social media discussions. I'm tired of it.
- Jorge Escobar
ah considering Scoble effect... could this thread preventing the killer thing from happening? :D
- Pico Seno
All of these services are similar to the telephone system earlier in the last century. The more people on the service, the more valuable it becomes while at the same time the cheaper it is to provide to everyone. We're really just asking who will be the Ma Bell of the social networking world. Though I love twitter and friendfeed, many of the people I love are finally just using Facebook and are starting to use their status updates in a Twitter-like fashion.
- Chris Aldrich
It would be pretty interesting to see some sort of Open Social integration of Google Profiles into FriendFeed. As Logic Extremes pointed out, Google doesn't need to buy FriendFeed. That also doesn't seem to be its preferred modus operandi. Google's approach to the social Web is distributed and open. Some sort of Open Social integration into FriendFeed would be fantastic. Perhaps some kind of Friend Connect magic? Kevin Marks?
- Paul Jacobson
Open Social project is just awesome and gonna be very easy to implement. :) Lets how much it will turn up!
- Mohammad Abdurraafay
Robert how about a gentleman's wager: Google buys FF within a year. Then you can take me out for dinner. if they don't, then I take you out for dinner. This way we can talk about all this in person :-)
- Om Malik
Wow, that's an offer no one can refuse.
- imabonehead
You're onto something here, Mr. Scoble. :-)
- Nenad Nikolic
Robert I'm glad you get it - so many others don't'
- Chris Saad
Again, I predicted the acquisition. I said Google, but I was right on the year. :-)
- Jesse Stay
Carol Bartz, CEO of Yahoo, drops the F -word on first conference call.... I'm buying Yahoo stock based on that. #stocktwits #fuckyall
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Nice I'm in too.
- Kelby
She was definitely hired to handle Ballmer in negotiations.
- Adi
She also told employees she'd "dropkick to fucking Mars" anyone who blabbed to blogs. She's my favorite CEO.
- Kate
I agree with Kate she's an awesome CEO
- Kelby
I think I connect with her because she speaks a lot like my dad. :)
- Kate
She definitely speaks her mind.
- Kelby
“We sort of had one product management person for every three engineers,” she said, “so we had a lot of people running around and telling people what to do, but nobody was fucking doing anything.”
- ⓞnor
CNN: Ashton Kutcher first to reach 1 million in Twitter battle with CNN. http://www.cnn.com/2009...
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And now there's a concerted effort to drive his total down, being spread through the #unfollowfriday hashtag that's been trending for a few hours now.
- Virante
10000 anti-malaria nets are the real winners here.
- Bora Zivkovic
I'd love for FriendFeed to add a GMail/Reader-style keyboard shortcut cheatsheet bound to the ? key.
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Agree, Daniel, especially as more shortcuts are on the way.
- Kol Tregaskes
That would be an awesome feature! Originally Seen At: http://beta.friendfeed.com/friendf...
- Nicholas James
? requires two keys on some keyboard layouts
- Opensource Obscure
That's a good thing - how often do you really want to see the cheat sheet? I hit shift+/ to see it in GMail
- Daniel J. Pritchett
from IM
Yep, I'm happy with "?".
- Kol Tregaskes
However a Greasemonkey script will help :) ..
- CantorJF
Very much needed. Keyboard shortcuts have basically zero discoverability otherwise. In fact, there should be an element of the basic GUI that indicates that (a) there are shortcuts; (b) you can press '?' for a list of them.
- Karl Knechtel
One big difference between Twitter and friendfeed (in Twitter's favor too!!!). See here:
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People follow on Twitter. My friendfeed rates have gone way down.
- Robert Scoble
I looked into a few people I've recommended. On Twitter they are getting followed at a MUCH higher rate than their friendfeed accounts are.
- Robert Scoble
That's not a good trend for friendfeed, because it means that there's a much stronger power law in effect there where people like me will have more power to get content noticed than new people who come along.
- Robert Scoble
That is because Twitter is getting a lot of mainstream media attention unlike Friendfeed.
- Veetrag
I wonder why that is? I have some theories that I'll explore over next few minutes.
- Robert Scoble
either im missing something...or haven't used friendfeed much... can you only comment on the main post - or can you comment on a comment?
- Cole Orton
Come to the live version of this post to join along in live time: http://beta.friendfeed.com/scoblei...
- Robert Scoble
It's much easier to add people in twitter and then to just ignore them. FriendFeed is much richer.
- Kevin Gamble
Robert, just because you recommend someone on FF doesn't mean they'll automatically get followed. If he or she isn't interacting here, why would I? I could just read their tweets elsewhere.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
i really think ff is missing out if you can't comment on a comment
- Cole Orton
Veetrag: not true. I filtered out for numbers of people on Twitter.
- Robert Scoble
Tina; yet on Twitter if I recommend someone they get followed in droves.
- Robert Scoble
twitter doesn't require an attention span, which a lot of the internet doesn't have anymore
- BCK
Robert: When you Like and comment on entries from the folks you follow on FriendFeed, you're putting their material in our line of sight. It's not as important to follow massive numbers of people on FF, because one's network does the work of pulling in new content.
- Ken Sheppardson
Cole: what are you talking about. Just use the first name of the comment you are replying to, just like I did.
- Robert Scoble
Brevity of information in twitter? More thorough information on friendfeed? It depends on how much the follower is wanting/willing to consume.
- jcunwired
While your point may be true, I don't understand if it means anything....
- Bwana ☠
BCK: nope, I don't think you've hit the answer either.
- Robert Scoble
jcunwired: FAIL too. You still haven't hit it.
- Robert Scoble
Flashback to 1997. Twitter = Lotus cc:Mail. FF = MS Outlook/Exchange.
- Peter Ghosh
that just seems like bad design - there's no "link" as to what comment you're commenting on that way.
- Cole Orton
Just try to have this conversation in Twitter. That's not happening.
- Kevin Gamble
That's true, Robert, but assuming you're talking about the rec you made Friday night 1) it was in a comment, not your original post (which would get more attention) and 2) time of day really does matter.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Bwana: on Twitter everyone's page has tiles of the people who they've followed and the numbers of people they are following. Twitter has created a "follower game." Friendfeed doesn't make that game so obvious so people don't play it.
- Robert Scoble
Friendfeed is more serious than twitter. I mean that friendfeed is used for spreading interesting topics and conversations. Twitter is more to get updated and the majority uses for uhm lets see.. nothing useful.
- Rafael
I already follow 1300 people. I only follow more people if they A) are adding good content B) are participating or C) are friends/family
- Alex Scoble
No follower game is a bad thing? FOaF obsoletes it imho.
- Bwana ☠
I have followed you on friendfeed since yesterday... much easier to break through the noise, but I have been on Twitter longer so I tend to follow your recomends there.
- Michael Angelo Truncale
I can interact very easily with people I'm not following on here. Sometimes I don't even realize that I'm not following certain people.
- Michael McKean
Tina: I've been watching the follower numbers of other people who recommend people too. On friendfeed we are far more adverse. I believe that the real-time version of friendfeed has caused people to unsubscribe, too.
- Robert Scoble
I get all kinds of nuggets on FriendFeed from people I don't follow... through FoaF
- Bwana ☠
You don't have to necessarily be friend with someone on FF to see his/her comments. If it's a friend of a friend you'll see a lot of likes/comments of that person "for free".
- Christoph Studer
Michael: you can tell you're not following. Their icons next to their comments are white.
- Robert Scoble
Bwana: exactly
- Christoph Studer
i am very confused by this posting. what are we supposed to "see here?"
- @baratunde
@Robert - welcome the the Friendfeed clique mindset
- Steven Hodson
@baratunde: the conversation.
- Robert Scoble
I agree that people are trimming their follows possibly due to real time. That's their choice. On the other hand, content is still readily accessible via FoaF (assuming of course that it's still on).
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Steven: yes, we are cliques here. More like nodes.
- Robert Scoble
My followers who don't follow Robert, see this conversation by default. Twitter doesn't do that.
- Bwana ☠
I find the real-time version of FF makes me want to stay and watch more. This conversation, for example, is very interesting and great to watch in real time.
- Jason Mayoff
Tina: unfollowing people in friendfeed is stupid. Just put the lame ones onto a list.
- Robert Scoble
Since beta I've had lots of new subs - have you just reached critical mass, Robert, whereby everyone on FF is only a FOAF away from you?
- WorldofHiglet
i'm thinking i'd use friendfeed more - if there was a killer mobile (ahem, iphone) app for it
- Cole Orton
Bwana: true, and that makes following people a lot less important. But it does give hyper connectors like me more power to get a lot of people involved in a conversation.
- Robert Scoble
Well hyper connectors is something Twitter has in spades :)
- Bwana ☠
Robert, lame or not that's what people are doing (and really, you're going to call someone else's choice lame just because it's not what you would do?). Lists are an option, filters are an option, and so is unsubscribing. So is doing nothing.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
WorldofHiglet: I still am getting new subs, but this isn't about me. I'm watching normal people's follower behavior.
- Robert Scoble
Tina: it's lame. It's also a free world, so I can call behavior lame. :-)
- Robert Scoble
This Sunday night conversation is brought to you by... Rackspace... And now, back to our program
- Bwana ☠
It's also interesting how a conversation like this goes hot and heavy for about two minutes and then just dies as it rolls off of everyone's pages and the numbers of comments gets too unweildy to navigate.
- Robert Scoble
Why follow a lot of people when FF search and filters are so powerful?
- Tom Landini
Cole: agree. Would love to see a killer iPhone app.
- Jason Mayoff
i also don't like that i have to scroll alllll the way up to click the comment link if/when i have all the comment fully expanded on a post that has, say, >10 comments.
- Cole Orton
Hey, I know: how 'bout we try to get over counting stuff?
- Ken Sheppardson
Robert: unfollowing people is "stupid"??
- Ken Kennedy
One word - twollo.com - that's why Twitter has higher follow rates
- Jesse Stay
Ken: humans love counting.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: Lots of things humans love aren't good for them.
- Ken Sheppardson
Ken: yes. Just put the people you hate onto another list. That way you can watch and see if they get more value later.
- Robert Scoble
I don't know about the rest of you, but my stats on Twitter vs my stats here don't make a damned bit of difference to me. Here, I barely follow any stats beyond how many people like my posts and who they are. On Twitter, there seems to be this huge drive for getting bigger, better numbers of followers, how many tweets someone has posted, etc. Guess what? It's bullshit.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
Its a lot easier on Twitter to follow ppl ,its like the 1 click amazon patent :-)
- Johni Fisher
Tom: I think you are right there - if I was starting FF now I wouldn't necessarily follow the people I do now and use filters to find the stuff i want. Which would be awhole different experience.
- WorldofHiglet
Chris: bingo, but on the other hand, it's a game that people like to play.
- Robert Scoble
Let me rephrase: users will look to you for how they think they're supposed to use the service. Calling a use choice lame is your way of directing their use. As for who gets followers: what's more useful, a couple hundred mildly interested follows just because Scoble mentioned you, or 10-20 really interested follows that found you via a search, filter, or FoaF?
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
I enjoy FriendFeed a hell of a lot more than I do Twitter, simply because I don't have the drive to improve my stats. I can post whatever and expect real responses and discussions, not plain old resharing and quick-quip replies.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
I totally agree with Chris.
- Rafael
Funny, but I want to tweet about this discussion, but I can't find a link to it. (New to FF)
- Jason Mayoff
Tina: +1.
- Ken Kennedy
Tina: well, following me is lame too. :-) But unfollowing really is lame. It sends a message to those people that they aren't important anymore. Everyone is important.
- Robert Scoble
Jason: Click the timestamp under the entry
- Bwana ☠
If people are more concerned about how many people they follow, how many are following them, and how many things they're pushing out, they're missing out on the opportunity to really affect things. They're simply playing for the score, not for the game.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
Chris: Right. I'd rather have "low" stats and high interactivity rather than high numbers of people who I'm not particularly interested in.
- Michael McKean
Jason: the permalink is the time underneath the headline (timestamp). Or, this: http://beta.friendfeed.com/scoblei...
- Robert Scoble
Wow!! I got real-time back on threads!! Yay!
- Bwana ☠
Thanks... odd place to put it.
- Jason Mayoff
Jason - that's where Twitter puts it as well :)
- Bwana ☠
It's quality vs quantity. FF = quality. Twitter = quantity.
- Brian
Jason: it is odd, but it is always there and you'll never forget it. Heheh.
- Robert Scoble
What I fail to understand every time one of these conversations is brought up is why they are brought up at all. Comparing apples to oranges never results in any definitive result.
- jcunwired
What Bwana said - FoaF Also, I think twitter's 15 mins of fame is almost up IMHO
- BEX
It's a LOT easier to get followers on Twitter, whereas on FF it's like pulling teeth. The whole point of social media is to be social, and if users can't socialize quickly "out of the box", then they'll move on.
- Ryan Garns
who feel's these real-time posts are hard to follow?
- Cole Orton
Brian: the thing is my friendfeed is moving a lot faster than my Twitter and I'm following a lot fewer people here.
- Robert Scoble
Twitter is follows the KISS method. Keep It Simple Stupid. For some, FriendFeed looks too complicated and they don't feel like spending that extra time to benefit from the true purpose of the network. Though I'm reassured that most people on here understand what FriendFeed has to offer over Twitter.
- Michael Forian
Wouldn't it be nice to have a keyboard shortcut for entering comments when threads get long and fast like this one?
- Tom Landini
jcunwired: I disagree. I learn something by doing comparisons to other services.
- Robert Scoble
Now, if it's NOT real-time--it feels lethargic.
- Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
omg this conversation is moving so fckn fast! I just get a up to drink a coke and when I came back. OMG! Frind feed was exploded!
- Rafael
Cole: go here: http://beta.friendfeed.com/scoblei... now scroll to the bottom of the page and just keep it there. VERY easy to follow.
- Robert Scoble
Cole: I like real-time. You catch what you catch. You miss what you miss.
- Jason Mayoff
Michael: FriendFeed doesn't look as complicated as it used to. Or at least the beta doesn't.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
I think Friendfeed feels like a content vacuum, I have no confidence whatsoever that I can get what I put in to it -- back out.
- Andrew Leahey
Jason: I find that if I miss something cool my filters catch it later.
- Robert Scoble
and if you miss it, oh well... ooh, look a penny
- Bwana ☠
I don't feel that way with twitter.
- Andrew Leahey
one big diff is the showing of following/subcriptions and followers/subcribers. Twitter showed it on the mainpage while ff show it on your profile page. in a way, twitter succeed when everyone is trying to win in the number game. but i feel ff is where real conversation can be held between more than one stranger across the world. and it can be more than 140 chars.
- Gerald Neo
andrew: you really need to look into filters. And read my blog from the other day.
- Robert Scoble
Andrew: do you mean being able to find your content within FF, or do you mean getting a return on the hours you're investing?
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Andrew: Try following even 250 people. I pretty much ignore half the stuff that goes by on Twitter these days because I can't follow it all.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
twitter's brand and uniform design are untouchable right now - not about features; twitter can develop them
- Andy Fox
scoble - that is easier to track. thanks.
- Cole Orton
I can find content so much easier on FriendFeed, it's scary
- Bwana ☠
The purpose of participating in twitter and the purpose of participating in friendfeed produce entirely different results, that's what I'm saying. I stay on friendfeed because I enjoy the conversations that others share about an individual's comment, shared item, etc. I use twitter to make me aware of the comment or share. Very different experience.
- jcunwired
Twitter search is like a hive now
- Bwana ☠
Scoble: I just discovered filters, I'll check out the blog post for sure.
- Andrew Leahey
Andrew: http://scobleizer.com/2009... this shows how much better friendfeed is for finding valuable stuff.
- Robert Scoble
Twitter Search is about the only good thing left with Twitter.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
Thanks for the info sir.
- Andrew Leahey
It's not the quantity, it's the quality... That said, how many seriously deranged cyber-geeks are engaging in this conversation? FF is still too confusing for the average user.
- Neil Jensen (Vermonter)
"FriendFeed Filters are the star of the beta" A brilliant guy wrote that.
- Bwana ☠
jcunwired: true, that's why I have a screen that is all about Tweetdeck.
- Robert Scoble
I think FF could have made the live pages like this could do well to have the newer comments on top instead of updating at the bottom
- Charles Rice
I can easily dive in and swim with a conversation in FF. Twitter now feels very random.
- kilbuda
Chris: Twitter search is fine, but if you have search but no content then you've got nothing
- Jason Mayoff
Bwana - that too. In a sense, I use friendfeed as a source of bookmarks (knowledge). Twitter would not give me that.
- jcunwired
Vermonter: I'm only slightly deranged.
- Michael McKean
Only thing that scares me about FriendFeed is history. That area seems iffy.
- Bwana ☠
Vermonter: really? Facebook is more complicated than Twitter OR friendfeed and it has 10x the users of Twitter. MySpace is more complicated than that, and has 7x the users of Twitter.
- Robert Scoble
Bwana: what do you mean by "history?
- Robert Scoble
We cant find on Twitter this kind of conversation as we do now live here
- Johni Fisher
Robert: Search history...how far back can I go?
- Bwana ☠
Bwana: all the way.
- Robert Scoble
Bwana: Twitter only goes back a few months.
- Robert Scoble
as I said, twitter is good for updates and curiosities, Friendfeed is good for conversations about interesting topics(or not). Frienfeed is the serious side of twitter
- Rafael
The quality of content is more important! I got more info from FF. The content from twitter in FF is just a little part!
- netvista
Robert: that wasn't always the case. Is this a recent change?
- Bwana ☠
Bwana: I can't find my Tweets from the Chinese Earthquake over on Twitter, for instance.
- Robert Scoble
What I like about FF is that I can sit here and have/watch this conversation without being distracted by thousands of other things going by.
- Michael McKean
Bwana: you can search for it, but you can't page back more than 300 items unfortunately (here on friendfeed).
- Robert Scoble
I'm a relative FF newbie and this discussion has sold me. I'm stayin'.
- Jason Mayoff
Bwana: the content has always been there on FF, available by search. The pagination that far back has been restricted though
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Jason: welcome!
- Robert Scoble
Nice to have you join us, Jason =)
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Yeah I have to say, this discussion has seriously changed my opinion on FF. Thanks Robert.
- Andrew Leahey
Jason - you've found the Holy Grail! :)
- jcunwired
@Robert... True.. Facebook is unwieldy, too. But mass usage has forced tolerance. Unwarranted tolerance perhaps. Hard to see how FF will gain traction unless users help make use of FF clearer.
- Neil Jensen (Vermonter)
Tina: echo! Heheh.
- Robert Scoble
Welcome to the club, Jason!
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
The Holy Grail indeed
- Jason Mayoff
Robert: that's what I mean.
- Bwana ☠
And that means I can't archive all of my FriendFeed data if I wanted
- Bwana ☠
You can't have a filtered real-time feed yet correct? That's the functionality I'm waiting for!
- Keith Barrett
Bwana: true. I hope they fix that. It's important for Track.
- Robert Scoble
Hence the "iffy" description. I'm hoping they fix that later.
- Bwana ☠
Keith: right. They promise that as a feature to come. We call that "Track."
- Robert Scoble
I think they should rename the "comments" on here. I'm not sure I'd call these comments. This is like a topic-driven chat.
- Andrew Leahey
Keith: I'd like to see that as well.
- Michael McKean
Bwana: but at least the data is there. It is NOT there on Twitter. Horrid.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: How do you sort of...back up your tweets? FF?
- Andrew Leahey
andrew: yes. But it is searchable. And you can come back and add onto it forever.
- Robert Scoble
You mean there's no record of all that's gone on on Twitter?
- Jason Mayoff
Just used Safari search on this conversation to find who mentioned a killer iphone app making a difference for FF (Jason). Agreed.
- kilbuda
andrew: I don't.
- Robert Scoble
Andrew: it's both, depending on the topic at hand. If you play with the DM feature to a group of people, it's definitely like a chat.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Jason: try to find my Chinese earthquake tweets. I tried and I can't get to them.
- Robert Scoble
Jason: they might be in a database somewhere, but you can't search on anything older than about August of last year, if I remember right.
- Robert Scoble
Facebook/Friendfeed are also very different. Our real life friends and our social networking friends are entirely different audiences. What FF brings is a different perspective - the opportunity to share with those who might not agree with us, who might teach us something that we wouldn't learn from our circle of RL friends. Invaluable, incalculable.
- jcunwired
I'm not even going to bother expanding all the comments. I'm just going to assume Scoble said something along the lines of "Easy access to cat pictures, babby pictures, my brother, FFundercats, Leather Donut"
- Mike Nayyar
Robert: where do you find the permalink to this thread?
- Tom Landini
At any rate, since the beta, Twitter has seen less of me.
- Bwana ☠
Tom: on the date under the topic that started this.
- Robert Scoble
I'll get this one. The date. CLick the date
- Jason Mayoff
And if the beta improves, it may get worse for Twitter in my world.
- Bwana ☠
That's what I'm talking about! Look how the conversation change the focus. Now we have another interesting things being discussed here... Thats awsome right?
- Rafael
Tom - click on the timestamp
- jcunwired
To get back on topic a little... it would be really cool if when you clicked a white chat bubble on the left if it turned to blue and you were following them... like a toggle button. Do you think that would lower the barrier too much? like people digging stories they havent read.
- Frankie Warren
Yes, I just went and searched http://search.twitter.com for any tweet last June that mentioned "earthquake." None appeared. FAIL.
- Robert Scoble
So just out of curiosity, what is the page within FF that you spend most of your time browsing/following? Filters? An individual post like this?
- Andrew Leahey
Frankie: I would LOVE that.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, very curious about your theory that prompted this post.
- jcunwired
Thanks: the permalink page puts a comment box under all the comments so it's easy to enter stuff.
- Tom Landini
Here's the thing. I'm a fairly sophisticated user. But I don't have any idea how to follow this thread, or why I even got here. Or how to follow (I'm don't text. Web only.) I think that presents a challenge for FF adoption. I've been wrong before.
- Neil Jensen (Vermonter)
Frankie: If you hover over someone's name next to their comment you can subscribe from right there.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
andrew: me? I skip around my filters when my lists slow down (in real-time)
- Bwana ☠
I don't stay in one place very long
- Bwana ☠
unless it's a juicy thread like this one
- Bwana ☠
Andrew: I have five friendfeed screens open at most times. Home screen. Tech list. A window like this one. And a filter or two or something else I'm tracking.
- Robert Scoble
Is there a reason to add new comments to bottom, not the top, thus avoiding having to scroll?
- kilbuda
I'm a speed reader. I love these fast-paced conversations :)
- jcunwired
Hmm, interesting. I'm just trying to get a handle on how people who have found FF really integral, use it.
- Andrew Leahey
Tina: yes, but then it refreshes the page.
- Robert Scoble
Good deal.
- Andrew Leahey
Once Internet users have decided to play the microblogging game, they're ready to adopt one microblogging tool, and only one (forget the geeks). Then, if their intention is to notify friends about their actions and thoughts, they'll take Twitter. Because even CNN may follow them there ;) If their goal is to discuss and discover stuff, they'll take the plunge with FF. Unfortunately, 98% of those users want only to notify and be sure their notification won't get lost in a "content vaccum" (andrew's words).
- Jérôme Flipo
kilbuda: the comment box is static on the bottom if you navigate to the thread: http://beta.friendfeed.com/scoblei...
- Bwana ☠
That's an area FriendFeed has to fix
- Bwana ☠
Vermonter: new friendfeed UI makes it very possible to follow. Visit here, scroll to the bottom, and watch! http://beta.friendfeed.com/scoblei...
- Robert Scoble
It's not about friendfeed anymore (unless something radical happens) - facebook is the hulk (no pun intended) in the room
- Antonio Altamirano
Heh.. they really need to make the permalink more noticeable. :)
- Michael McKean
Facebook is boring to me...
- Bwana ☠
Funny someone mentioned searchability. I just discovered the limitations of that on Twitter this morning. When I can't look back past thrity days without having to learn how to use the API...and that really irritates me.
- George Hall (Australia)
You can use the friendfeed sidebar too... its very easy to follow!
- Rafael
Bwana: I wish they would make it so new comments appear at top.
- Robert Scoble
185 comments here are just fine - no way I can follow a conversation of 185 tweets.
- Bora Zivkovic
Perfect! Thanks, Bwana.
- kilbuda
Bora: I do. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Bora: you've got to get in when it starts.
- Jason Mayoff
Did you know FF copied Twitter's permalink format? ;)
- Jérôme Flipo
tina: thanks! haha i just tried it on you :)
- Frankie Warren
Antonio - I disagree. Mudane conversations and thoughts are all I get from FB, FF adds a new dimension to what the mind can absorb.
- jcunwired
I learn here. I rarely learn anything at Facebook.
- Kevin Gamble
YEP, new comments definantely need to feed in from the top for me, too.
- CLC Radio
I use Friendfeed alerts, and I can tell when these conversations get too noisy, which is now!
- Francine Hardaway
Comments on top; agreed Robert.
- kilbuda
Actually I find that th most useful thing about Twitter search is that the results include private and deleted tweets :)
- Keith Barrett
hehe Francine
- jcunwired
lol Keith
- Bwana ☠
don't get me started on that
- Bwana ☠
Anyway, who was asking about my theory?
- Robert Scoble
me
- jcunwired
Francine: get onto real time and give up on alerts. Alerts are old school. Heheh.
- Robert Scoble
Did you know that if you re-click the permalink from the permalink, you get a pretty simple window?
- Jérôme Flipo
I think the idea behind having comments appear at the bottom rather than the top is because somebody's under the (perhaps naive) impression people actually read everything other folks wrote before they comment themselves :-)
- Ken Sheppardson
agree
- atanas
jcunwired, what would you like to know? My theory is that people on Twitter follow a lot more. Mostly because it's a lot easier to follow, but also because everyone knows how many followers everyone else has (it's on their main UI).
- Robert Scoble
Ken - good point. Case study: Youtube
- Bwana ☠
Ken - New comments appear at the top and no one reads the history
- Bwana ☠
I would like to be able to comment on a comment. I'm into real time, but sometimes I like to follow FF out of the corner of my eye and not focus on this conversation. I multitask
- Francine Hardaway
here you can find a way to follow these conversations right in your firefox sidebar: http://userstyles.org/styles...
- Rafael
Alerts? Is that like a fax?
- Phil Maxwell
Ken: i click the comment button before i read the thread so its waiting for me at the bottom :)
- Frankie Warren
Robert - someone already brought that up. Twitter is a popularity contest.
- jcunwired
@Robert Thanks for the FF beta tip.
- Neil Jensen (Vermonter)
Robert; thanks. And I second the request to have an option to display comments at the top of a real-time display, however I think that for older, inactive postings I'd prefer to read the comments in order.
- Keith Barrett
Francine: I multitask too. I just run five screens. :-)
- Robert Scoble
I submit the follower game can ruin the quality of the network
- Bwana ☠
Agreed, Bwana.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
The topic we talk about is not popular entry in "Best of Day", no real time statistics?
- netvista
+100 Bwana
- jcunwired
Oh, I like the pop-up window. I didn't realize that Friendfeed can do that.
- Robert Scoble
I really hope FF never threads/indents comment. An entry's a nice unit of conversation. If something needs it's own branch, just start another entry.
- Ken Sheppardson
FriendFeed is just too much for the typical user. First you have to "get it". On Twitter there's not much to "get". You put some words in the box and hit send.
- Eric Florenzano
netvista: good point. That's a bug. We should start a spreadsheet for the friendfeed team of things that are bugs.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: Pop-up windows?
- Rafael
Robert: How?
- Rafael
Well Robert a new thing in your theory
- Bwana ☠
I've gotten 3 new followers from this thread
- Bwana ☠
Rafael. Click here: http://beta.friendfeed.com/scoblei...
- Robert Scoble
Eric: there are people who use FF exactly the same way, they type some words and update it, leave it at that
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
interesting
- Bwana ☠
Rafael, sorry that's wrong.
- Robert Scoble
I wonder if Twitter users get new followers from a conversation
- Bwana ☠
Robert - yeah i realized right now
- Rafael
Eric - that is very true. There is a learning curve to FriendFeed that does not give the instant satisfaction of Twitter.
- jcunwired
Rafael: from your feed click the timestamp of a post. On the resulting page, click the timestamp again, and you'll get the pop out window
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Rafael, click here: http://beta.friendfeed.com/scoblei... Then click on the timestamp again.
- Robert Scoble
Sweet! Thanks Robert!
- Phil G
Robert: Thank you so much!
- Rafael
Robert: echo =)
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
jcunwired: friendfeed is a Formula Race Car. It takes a while to learn to drive, but when you do it does a lot of stuff a Prius can't.
- Robert Scoble
like the popout window...
- kilbuda
Robert: Sweet find. Thanks for pointing that out.
- Brian
me too
- Rafael
I saw brett do that in you video robert and was curious how it worked :)
- Frankie Warren
... and no reverse gear ;)
- Phil G
Pop out window is cool.
- Tom Landini
oh and it leaves the comment open at the bottom! epic.
- Frankie Warren
Speaking of which, I gotta plug in, my battery is low :)
- jcunwired
Frankie: I missed a lot of stuff that Bret showed us because I was trying to keep the camera focused. Did you like the videos?
- Robert Scoble
now i can browse and keep lookin to the pop-up without losing any comment
- Rafael
Yeah love the popout window. Wanted to hug Ben when I saw him post it
- Bwana ☠
FF can do tricks!
- kilbuda
I'm still learning how to be a power user of friendfeed. I haven't memorized the keyboard commands yet.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: Just watched the vids now. Rly interesting stuff, thx for putting them up. Sometimes was hard to understand questions from the audience, though...
- Christoph Studer
Ben: Its better you run... everybody wants to hug you ;)
- Rafael
Any one got new follows from this conversation?
- netvista
Robert: i loved the video!! seriously its very difficult to figure out how to use friendfeed at first effectively. seeing best practices from power users helped a lot
- Frankie Warren
I have netvista
- Bwana ☠
I still prefer tabs over popup unless I have multiple monitors active
- jcunwired
A popout of a tracked real-time feed would be the best!
- Keith Barrett
I think its cause Bwana is an awesome name though ;)
- Frankie Warren
I bought a 24 inch monitor just to use Friendfeed on.
- Robert Scoble
heh Frankie
- Bwana ☠
FF should do something like Gmail chat.
- Christoph Studer
Keith - you are right... but you can have a Firefox sidebar you know?
- Rafael
Now the balance has shifted back to FF
- sofarsoShawn
Christoph: the realtime combined with the DM capablity makes it a lot like Gmail chat, actually.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Watch multiple conversations in pop up windows
- Christoph Studer
netvista3987 - How would you know?
- Phil Maxwell
hmm, there's an idea - having interesting realtime conversations like this in sidebar
- jcunwired
Christoph: yeah, it really rocks using the popups.
- Robert Scoble
Exactly, jcunwired.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Christoph: current features are largely sufficient
- Jérôme Flipo
I want to dock good conversations on my blog.
- Robert Scoble
Wow, I've put that read through a text-to-speech app, makes it even more productive right now, This could make a little booklet from it. The new forum post experience.
- ElijahBailey-Zu of FF <0,
Interesting search/filter, at least 100 comments and -friends:username. Interesting FF'rs you've missed.
- Andrew Leahey
Robert: I f you use Firefox, try to use this sidebar, easily bookmark you realtime page to bookmarks bar and in properties choose to open with the sidebar : http://userstyles.org/styles...
- Rafael
want a sidebar-like window? http://beta.friendfeed.com/scoblei... (I'm in Chrome, can't do it)
- Jérôme Flipo
Maybe have the "pop outs" integrated into the main window instead of new browser windows. Would make it easier for me to track multiple discussions from one spot.
- Christoph Studer
is there no RSS for comments?
- Phil Maxwell
Kinda like a big party... wouldn't it be cool to be able to break off into small groups, as new topics develop?
- kilbuda
This format kinda makes the comment count they used to have meaningless now... theres a big difference between one well thought out comment and just chatting in the pop out.
- Frankie Warren
Phil Maxwell: because i subscribe someone here for this conversation! haha
- netvista
Frankie: Agree
- Christoph Studer
Phil: you can subscribe to someone's comments and there should be an rss for that feed
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Rafael I did, but I also like popouts, plus firefox doesn't run on my phone and I suspect I can just plug this URL into a browser.
- Keith Barrett
Frankie: I agree. I wish I could see how many items I have commented on, not how many comments I've seen.
- Robert Scoble
Doesn't look to be an RSS for a single comment but yes a personal feed Tina
- sofarsoShawn
what about comments for an individual post?:
- Phil Maxwell
I'm glad they added that. I love being to able to subscribe to someone's likes and not their comments and/or posts
- Bwana ☠
Frankie: Right. I wouldn't even call these "comments".
- Michael McKean
Phil: unfortunately, no
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Bwana: agreed (again). Haven't delved in using it yet but I think it's an interesting option.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Keith: Uhm I understand you. maybe when Mozilla launch the mobile Firefox you will be able to do that!
- Rafael
How can I measure my self worth if no one follows me.
- Demian Vonder Kuhlen
from Nambu
Anyway, Twitter brings me interesting content, but FriendFeed is true brain candy. I'll never get this level of conversation or knowledge from twitter.
- jcunwired
Michael: the engagement of friendfeed has gone WAY up in new friendfeed due to the real time comments.
- Robert Scoble
Maybe "comment counts" should be more like "like counts". One comment per discussion and user.
- Christoph Studer
I like pronouncing the name Bwana out loud: it's fun: Bwwannna. Heeehehhee
- sofarsoShawn
Demian: I'll follow you.
- Robert Scoble
O_o
- Bwana ☠
Yeah, these are much less "comments" and more just sorta empty "yeah me too, lol" style stuff. Like, you know... tweets.
- Ken Sheppardson
Demian: life's hard sometimes :)
- Phil Maxwell
You know; it's too bad I can't just click a comment speak bubble image and have it automatically format it as a comment response by filling in the name)
- Keith Barrett
Wow.. I never noticed that you can subscribe to comments and likes!
- Michael McKean
So the pop-out window moves much faster without the load of the page...nice
- Wallace
I think you're looking at this wrong Robert. The big difference with FF is Friend of a Friend. I use *you* to bring me other people. I trust you to *filter* it for me. After a while I might add someone who continually pops up in my feed via your FOAF, but why subscribe right off the bat. The context between Twitter and FriendFeed is different. It's not about quantity and reaching follower numbers, it's about quality and interaction.
- AJ Kohn
AJ: good point, but that gives me a lot more power than I have over on Twitter.
- Robert Scoble
Sorry Bwana, it's just one of those things: I'm weird
- sofarsoShawn
FriendFeed is great for deep threaded conversation ... but Twitter generates so much more exposure.
- Brandon
can you imagine this conversation on Twitter... I mean really.
- Bwana ☠
AJ: I don't mind the power, though, cause I'm an egotistical bbaaahhhssstttaaarrrddd. Just ask my brother. Heheh.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: It's not necessarily a bad thing to have "hubs" with power, is it? You have them in real life, too.
- Christoph Studer
Exposure? or false Hype?
- sofarsoShawn
Anyone using the sidebar script for Firefox?
- Andrew Leahey
Christoph: true, I'm not sure it's a bad thing. It's a good thing as long as I behave. If I start being an asshole, then it's a bad thing.
- Robert Scoble
Bwana, I reach for the advil just thinking about it :)
- jcunwired
Scoble's a power hungry Green Hulkster
- sofarsoShawn
sofarsoshawn: What's the difference? :)
- Michael McKean
Robert: i agree with that... with out an install base its really hard for comments to get noticed in the real time feed unless you have a bunch of people keeping your stuff at the top.
- Frankie Warren
The point is Twitter is a hype! Appear in all big corporations and tv programs... twitter has big popularity... friend feed is a shy guy at the moment
- Rafael
Christoph: power corrupts eventually, though.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: And people will start treating you as one, i.e. unsubscribe. :-)
- Christoph Studer
Christoph: you nailed the force that will keep me from becoming too much of an asshole. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Power corrupts only certain individuals. I haven't seen you exhibit those traits yet Robert :)
- jcunwired
Robert: That's way you say unsubscribing is "lame", haha.
- Christoph Studer
@Robert: Well, I've given you that power and everyone else I subscribe to. Should you fail to be a good filter, I'll drop you like a hot potato :) So who really has the power? That's why FF will win IMO because it creates a far better mechanism for authority and trust. But ONLY if you're selective with whom you subscribe.
- AJ Kohn
Christoph: yes, I have a bias there. Heheh.
- Robert Scoble
Oh! I just noticed that if you press "enter" once in the search box, you get the advanced search page. A kind of little feature you'll never find on Twitter ;)
- Jérôme Flipo
Robert: One of the biggest differences is that: Friendfeed doesnt have ads and bullshits.. Twitter its a treasure for ads.
- Rafael
Jerome - just press the search button, you get te same thing
- jcunwired
Rafael: friendfeed has decentralized moderation. That's a KILLER feature the rest of the world will discover in about 18 months.
- Robert Scoble
@ Mckean Hype vs. Exposure: Hype I'd say is exaggerated publicity hoopla if you will. Empty. Whereas exposure is public focus but what matters more so here is that Twitter can't function to the same quality as Friendfeed now can
- sofarsoShawn
Chris Charabaruk: Yeah, but did the beta get any major media attention? Nope. None what so ever. And that's sad. It seems like people are purposely ignoring everything "FriendFeed" and it isn't right. I think the world is big enough for two cool and active social networking sites (or more), yes?
- Michael Forian
Rafael: friendfeed will prove to be more resistant than other social networks to spam and assholes because of decentralized moderation. It's one reason why I love it so much.
- Robert Scoble
jcunwired, even Google doesn't have this function
- Jérôme Flipo
people go where the identities/profiles/people/contacts are; right now, when it comes to non-permission blogging, thats Twitter. Its not about features. You can speculate as to why Twitter has the people, but thats just academic. They have the people and they win....features can come...it doesnt matter, does it?
- Andy Fox
Don't give him power. You wouldn't like Robert when he's omnipotent :)
- Keith Barrett
Michael: friendfeed is in Financial Times tomorrow.
- Robert Scoble
decentralized moderation? Does that mean if someone offends me and I block them, their comments won't show up for me anywhere?
- Phil Maxwell
Robert: what do you mean by decentralized moderation?
- Frankie Warren
Sometimes I wondef if FriendFeed would have taken off if the founders weren't ex-Googlers
- Bwana ☠
I really want feature of FF is : What's hot on FF right now?
- netvista
Robert: How many FT readers want bacon with their tea? :D
- Jérôme Flipo
Phil: exactly. Frankie, decentralized moderation means I can delete you in my items and you can delete me in yours. As long as we keep adding value to each other's lives we'll not delete. But, let's say you were a spammer. Bye bye!
- Robert Scoble
Frankie - we (you) moderate, not an administrator.
- jcunwired
Ok, I definitely do dig the pop out window for an indivdual post/conversation.
- Ken Kennedy
Bwana: How does the ex-Googler's factor in?
- sofarsoShawn
Robert: We have to create a strong community in friend feed and hoping that we could separate the bullshit and ads from the interesting topics, in a way we could keep the good of friendfeed.
- Rafael
decentralized moderation = crowdblocking. It takes only a few comments for a spammer to get blocked by many and that then trips internal FF daemons.
- AJ Kohn
netvista: that's called a filter. I have a filter that shows all items written by anybody but that have at least one "like." That's what's hot right now.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: interesting
- Phil Maxwell
netvista3987: make you're own filter http://beta.friendfeed.com/search...
- Jérôme Flipo
Rafael - we have, we do - the developers have. What we see Twitter becoming will never happen here because we have all the power.
- jcunwired
netvista3987: you can even exclude your friends (add -friends:netvista3987), exclude items you've already liked and commented (use the minus operator again).
- Jérôme Flipo
sofarsoshawn: friendfeed was started by four superstars from Google. HOw does that factor in? It's been down one hour in past year. Search is freaking fast. It has an ugly, but workable UI. Heheh.
- Robert Scoble
Being reminded so much of Gmail chat I'd like to see who's currently typing into the comments field. :-)
- Christoph Studer
Well, regardless of my hesitancy, this is the first engaging convo on FF I've engaged. And though I had seen the beta briefly, I hadn't taken the time to really understand it. And this has inspired me to flesh out my FF profile. FF anti-fail all around.
- Neil Jensen (Vermonter)
Currently listening to Berlin "No More Words" on Shoutcast right now...interesting.
- Christopher Knopick
jcunwired: May the force be with you!
- Rafael
Flipo: thanks. it's great. I already add this filter.
- netvista
Christoph Studer: like emoticons?
- Jérôme Flipo
Vermonter: wait until this is used by a conference for a back channel. Leo Laporte was using it on Gillmor Gang and TWiT this weekend and got 1000 comments each.
- Robert Scoble
Here in Brazil Twitter started to get lost by people who dont know what to do with a simple question. thanksfully friendfeed will not get popularity here in brazil
- Rafael
Pressing enter twice on a search box... clicking a feed then clicking the tim to get a popout...directly referencing "/friends" in a URL I do sense a need for some documentation on how to engage the cool features.
- Keith Barrett
Rafael: don't be so sure.
- Robert Scoble
@Scoble I was referring to Bwana's earlier comment that it was more a hindrance then beneficial and was wondering how that could be so
- sofarsoShawn
Jerome: I was kind of kidding...but one could do this with small avatars of people typing. Or just a list of names.
- Christoph Studer
Am now watching FF real time in my sidebar. NoNo more alerts.
- Francine Hardaway
Leo's use of it is what makes me think this is going to work. They're onto something here.
- Jesse Stay
Keith: I'll do another video when I figure them all out.
- Robert Scoble
Gillmor Gang comments were the greatest. The level of sophistication skyrockets when the community is one of your choosing (more or less).
- jcunwired
Keith - keep in mind most of these new features are in beta.. I can forgive no documentation in beta
- Phil G
Francine: welcome to the future.
- Robert Scoble
Keith: Yes, better documentation would be nice! Although it's kinda fun to figure these things out.
- Michael McKean
Robert: It's only a question of friendfeed do not support other languages
- Rafael
I think FF is just too sophisticated for main street, people don't get it
- Alex
That's a compliment: we're sophisticated, wait till I post more lolcats
- sofarsoShawn
I never said that.
- Bwana ☠
Alex - when main street gets it, there goes sophistication :)
- jcunwired
Oh I'm not complaining at all! I'm trying to help..
- Keith Barrett
Rafael: friendfeed does support lots of languages. But I need filters. I want to see ONLY Farsi comments, for instance. I can't do that.
- Robert Scoble
Alex: At one time computers were too sophisticated for most people.
- Michael McKean
@Alex I didn't get it really until tonight. Not sure I do yet, but I'm getting there. Maybe others will too.
- Neil Jensen (Vermonter)
Alex: I disagree. The mainstreet is on Facebook, which is far more complex than either this or Twitter.
- Robert Scoble
jcunwired - good point!
- Alex
Robert: I understand you
- Rafael
Alex: if humans see utility in learning complexity, they will.
- Robert Scoble
People didn't get AOL. They didn't get blogs. They didn't get eCommerce.
- AJ Kohn
FF is a lot easier to jump into than FB, IMO.
- Michael McKean
They still don't
- Bwana ☠
:)
- Bwana ☠
My wife speaks Farsi and I'd love to be able to have her see only Farsi items here. I can't filter by language. Yet. They have that on their feature lists to build out.
- Robert Scoble
even my mother is om Facebook, I can't see her on FF really
- Alex
I don't keep close tabs on my follower levels, but I've noticed my Twitter followers have gone up, and my Friendfeed followers have gone down too.
- Ian May
more or less yes: "Sometimes I wondef if FriendFeed would have taken off if the founders weren't ex-Googlers" - Bwana
- sofarsoShawn
I'm waiting for the service that will automatically translate anything typed into the viewers chosen language without the need to manually translate individual lines
- Tony, Paradox of FF
Alex: four years ago you would have said the same thing about Facebook.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: I was hoping for a language filter as well.
- Michael McKean
Robert: but you can see... Facebook here in brazil its almost like Orkut for Americans... few people use it. But Orkut here is something like OMG you dont have an orkut account? you are a jerk! Got it?
- Rafael
Robert: where'd she pick that up? Nuts!
- sofarsoShawn
Tony we have done that in our chat for our online experiences using Googles Translate APi
- Tony
Tony: Picasa has it on comments. Would be great to have the same system for FF.
- Christoph Studer
FF = Community - Twitter =
- bcultral
sofarsoshawn: the fact that friendfeed was started by four superstars from Google is a major reason why I use it.
- Robert Scoble
@Robert: Filter for certain foreign characters would get you pretty far, no?
- AJ Kohn
Shawn: you assume I believe they haven't taken off... and they have
- Bwana ☠
you're the only one who thought that.
- Bwana ☠
most of the people on facebook don't know how to use 1/4 of the features, but they understand they have a profile and people write messages to it and that's enough to get them started.
- Phil Maxwell
@tonysteward cool :)
- Tony, Paradox of FF
sofarsoshawn: I have NOT been disappointed in that. This service has ALWAYS been 1. Up. 2. Fast. Others? No.
- Robert Scoble
it detects the browser language and then when they chat it auto translates
- Tony
client side
- Tony
No, Bwana: if you read your statement you are the one who distinctly wondered
- sofarsoShawn
sofarsoshawn: my wife was born in Tehran.
- Robert Scoble
sofarsoshawn: FF doesn't need users do develop the service (they have the money and the geniuses). So, in some way, they don't need the Google's buzz to make the killer app that Scoble and others would recommend because it rocks and not because of their authors.
- Jérôme Flipo
Sigh, go repeat my name or something :) I know what I said
- Bwana ☠
I am probably the only person in my 200+ list of friends that actually KNOWS how to set FB security features so that I can control what groups of friends (or the public) can see what items and apps.
- Keith Barrett
I know what you said too read your earlier post dude, I'll go say your name :)
- sofarsoShawn
I'll be right back. Heheh. Yes, friendfeed has turned into chat!
- Robert Scoble
I guess most of us only get what we think others will get too. FF beta makes the possibility of others getting it seem clearer than it did to me before.
- Neil Jensen (Vermonter)
Keith: Thats normal! the majority uses facebook just to watch other people lifes
- Rafael
The product lifecycle of gmail should be an indication of the long term approach I believe FF will take.
- AJ Kohn
Oh my... he just did a brb!
- Michael McKean
I wonder if FriendFeed would have taken off if the founders weren't ex-Googlers. <-- Read again. if the founders weren't ex-googlers, would FriendFeed have taken off... maybe if I reverse, you'll understand.
- Bwana ☠
Bwana: does it really matter?
- Phil Maxwell
The amount of content that FriendFeed real-time commenting is going to generate is MASSIVE. Hope they have a good file system and DB setup!
- Keith Barrett
I don't like being misquoted
- Bwana ☠
Like I said
- sofarsoShawn
I want it to be clear
- Bwana ☠
Vermonter - did you just start with friendfeed? Aside from a few features, most notably realtime feed, its pretty much the same.
- jcunwired
Keith: And lightweight connection handling.
- Christoph Studer
Oh wait, no, I get it you used a double negative, making it a positive, so yes Bwana your're correct, but bad grammar
- sofarsoShawn
Chris, an even better question
- Bwana ☠
hehe Chris
- jcunwired
++sofarsoshawn
- ElijahBailey-Zu of FF <0,
@jcunwired just the learning curve of a thus far somewhat disinterested FF user, I guess.
- Neil Jensen (Vermonter)
Chris: lol
- Jérôme Flipo
a double negative? LOL
- Bwana ☠
my give up.
- Bwana ☠
High five! me too
- sofarsoShawn
we could discuss about that for days, but only the future will tell
- Alex
Vermonter, search google for friendfeed filters. A few bloggers - bwana, Louis Gray, Scobleizer have some vvery good tips for controlling the noise so that you only see what you want to see. It helps a lot.
- jcunwired
AJ Kohn: I love comparing Hotmail/Twitter with Hotmail/Gmail. It's a matter of time before the best overpass the most popular.
- Jérôme Flipo
The conversation has strayed a bit, I think :)
- Michael McKean
Alex: For sure. we just need to work for a better future for friendfeed...keepin it healthy
- Rafael
My problem is that I don't know what I don't want to see :))
- jcunwired
Hehe, always a tough choice. Discerning is key.
- ElijahBailey-Zu of FF <0,
There's a room too for filters, as well a list here http://beta.friendfeed.com/fffilte... as they are compiled
- sofarsoShawn
There's a filters group.
- Michael McKean
oops, make that a big B Bwana :)
- jcunwired
I heard on Leo's show yesterday a good quote, about why having a too strong community (in FF) may be an obstacle for its success (I remember the word "insular")
- Jérôme Flipo
Thanks for the conversation all. Enlightening. And my fellow Vermonter is free from pirates, too. I'll sleep well tonight.
- Neil Jensen (Vermonter)
Omg, now I can breathe a little, this conversation is slowing down
- Rafael
yeah, be careful of those double negatives in the blog post
- Bwana ☠
they'll getcha
- Bwana ☠
It's amazing, I wonder how long a thread we could go. You just say a word, it creates ripples and we define an area around a topic. Like a tree or something. That's something that is appreciable and important in that experiment we enjoy here.
- ElijahBailey-Zu of FF <0,
465 comments...
- Wallace
Jerome - I haven't heard this week's TWIT, but I say poppycock :) Its a social networking site, there are tons of communities. You choose what you want, and filter/dismiss the rest
- jcunwired
well done boys and girls...I'm going to bed! Excellent conversation! Good night to everyone! Good night Robert!
- Rafael
The 'strong community' is what makes it worth staying. There is no sense of community in twitter, just a bunch of people blindly following other people
- jcunwired
Robert: why subscribe to someone who only pipes twitter into friendfeed? and another thought: maybe the average twitterer mindlessly follows and the average friendfeeder is more interested in the quality of their subscriptions
- Chris Heath
This is epic: I have to take my leave as well. 'Night All!
- sofarsoShawn
the best conversation I have ever had on FF, thanks Robert! see you guys
- Alex
Hearing all your names and comments made it very different to me. I was making coffee, reaching and being able to make it through when it was around 100 comments one very demanding but so enriching real all-way discussion.
- ElijahBailey-Zu of FF <0,
jcunwired: sure, I love the community(ies). The problem is for FF newbies: they don't feel comfortable and prefer Twitter where discussions are less loud.
- Jérôme Flipo
\0_ sofarsoshawn
- ElijahBailey-Zu of FF <0,
Jerome - exactly. That is the one detriment to FF and why the masses have not shown up
- jcunwired
Hey Bwana, if you're still here, looking forward to your next appearance on TWiT. Always a great addition.
- Andrew Leahey
@jcunwired not so in Burlington, VT #btv is a growing and connected group of Twitter users. Can't vouch for other local communities.
- Neil Jensen (Vermonter)
Thanks andrew, always a fun event
- Bwana ☠
10 followers from this convo... that's a record
- Bwana ☠
Whoever it was who pointed out how many comments. I don't look at these things as comments. They're just parts of a very large discussion.
- Jason Mayoff
Bwana: Not what we're counting ;-)
- Ken Sheppardson
jcunwired: I follow a lot of astronomy people on Twitter and we're all pretty well connected with each other. I imagine it's the same with other like-minded people.
- Michael McKean
Michael - have you explored the rooms here on Friendfeed?
- jcunwired
Jerome - Well, you can still just like lolcatz pictures and just follow the guy for that. I think there's more details here that makes it interesting. I use twitter when I don't have time to reach deep now and need a summary of past events (not a mobile user for that). Here I jump in, make investigations, keep the stuff I like for future reference, one thing I'm not too into with twitter.
- ElijahBailey-Zu of FF <0,
Ken - Well Robert's got me zoomed in on it now... I never paid attention to where I get FF followers from
- Bwana ☠
Michael - consider bringing some of your friends over here
- jcunwired
But I can't remember the last time I had 10 in my inbox so fast
- Bwana ☠
Bwana, I havent looked at followers in months, now I'm curious too
- jcunwired
dammit :)
- jcunwired
Blame scoble
- Bwana ☠
Hey you know, where is the link to rooms in the beta ui?
- Andrew Leahey
hehe
- jcunwired
jcunwired:Yeah, and I see what you're saying. It's not as "tight" on Twitter.
- Michael McKean
What we really need are those little presidential debate real-time opinion poll lines so we can see in real time whether people agree or disagree with what we're saying.
- Ken Sheppardson
Bwana - I haven't gotten a new FF follower in a dog's age, but I mostly blamed my own light usage.
- Phil G
Hehehe, when you reach the 'Ultimate Comment' connection, that's it, Bwana is the name. ;p
- ElijahBailey-Zu of FF <0,
Michael - the cool thing about a group of people with specific interests is that you can aggregate content from multiple sources so that your community can absorb them - google reader, social bookmarking, youtube, flickr, blogs...
- jcunwired
Bwana: you wrrean interesting contributor to thisconvo and want hear what else you have to say.
- Jason Mayoff
On Twitter it's more like a bunch of people who just happen to be following the same people.
- Michael McKean
Phil - that's true. I guess subscriptions increase with participation
- Bwana ☠
hi, is there some collections of interesting filter setting i can use? i think FF should allow people sharing their filters.
- netvista
I think the thing with FriendFeed vs twitter is that on Twitter, the more people you follow, the more content you get. On FriendFeed, it's related to how active the people you follow are. You don't have to follow a lot of people with FoaF.
- Ⓐ ☠ slayerboy ☠ Ⓐ
Did anyone even bring up ffholic.com? I guess I should scroll up.. brb
- Bwana ☠
intelligent participation - or FFundercats, whatever floats your boat :)
- jcunwired
this might take a while
- Bwana ☠
jcunwired: Right, and you can discuss them in a more controlled manner.
- Michael McKean
I want a timestamp of the last activity on FF profiles. I was wondering where Scoble could be right now (instead of participating to this discussion). Just beside the "About 15 posts per day", there could be a "2 min since the last like/comment/FF post". That could also encourage users' activity.
- Jérôme Flipo
Man. This is not easy to do on an iPod touch
- Jason Mayoff
nobody brought it up yet, Bwana.. chrome search worked well in this window :)
- Phil G
nope, no one brought up ffholic.com - which brings the follower/count game to FriendFeed
- Bwana ☠
andrew: click on Subscriptions, down at the bottom. They are called Groups now.
- Tony, Paradox of FF
Jérôme: agreed
- Phil Maxwell
Firefox search says you're the only one
- jcunwired
Jerome: timestamps for comments too would be nice too
- Chris Heath
Ironic how Arrington is 3rd most popular user :)
- Bwana ☠
Chris, you can see timestamp by hovering over the quote symbol in left margin
- jcunwired
Chris: Hover over the bubble on the left.
- Michael McKean
Thanks Tony!
- Andrew Leahey
glad to help.
- Tony, Paradox of FF
So twhirl for friendfeed, totally useless, right?
- Andrew Leahey
the timestamps work except for the most recent comments of an active post...they all say 1 second, 0 seconds, etc
- Phil Maxwell
Excellent FF tips that aren't readily apparent are surfacing in this thread.
- Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
thanks for the responses on the timestamp comments ppl
- Chris Heath
I haven't found a FriendFeed client that rivals the web browser experience yet.
- Bwana ☠
I was messing around with AlertThingy all this time, I think thats why I didn't grasp the attraction.
- Andrew Leahey
This is a totally unmanageable thread. Most of the information here is lost and unfathomable. If there every was an argument for some sort of comments management (threaded or otherwise) this is it.
- Brian Sullivan
me either bwana, the iphone webapp is pretty good, i heard the beta iphone webapp kills the battery life though
- Chris Heath
andrew - with friendfeed, even though the api is great the web interface evolves faster than most developers can keep up with.. several microblogging clients have already given up on the challenge.
- Phil G
why don't my ff posts copy to twitter anymore? i didn't change any settings
- BASEnet
Rob: what would you think of the ability to digg comment by clicking on their icon, so that you can sort the discussion by "most liked comment" and get all the best juice of this thread in just few seconds?
- Jérôme Flipo
Bwana: I don't really see the need for a client. The web interface works very well.
- Michael McKean
Phil: Good point, maybe when FF itself kind of stabilizes and settles somewhere, clients will start coming out that rival the experience?
- Andrew Leahey
afterdark, you may need to disable and reenable, they're still there
- jcunwired
Michael: Bwana was just replying to me asking if twhirl was worthwhile.
- Andrew Leahey
afterDARK, you're the second person i've heard say that today submit a bug http://friendfeed.com/about...
- Chris Heath
That's probably another reason why Twitter is so much more popular - smartphone clients
- jcunwired
I think the real value for 3rd parties are going to be things that work with the API in ways that the web interface doesn't already do. Like FFholic, for example.
- Phil G
What I'd like out of a "client" could probably be accomplished with some sort of wrapper that managed a frameset that included embedable views ala http://beta.friendfeed.com/scoblei...
- Ken Sheppardson
Following somebody on Twitter is very light, and usually fake. Following on FriendFeed is an investment.
- Louis Gray
Ladies and Gentlemen, Mr Louis Gray *plays piano*
- Bwana ☠
jerome: likable comments would rock... then you could have the most liked comments in a thread... or within some constraint... even the most popular of the day
- Chris Heath
Thanks, i will submit a bug report
- BASEnet
Hi Louis!
- Jérôme Flipo
+100 Louis, well put
- jcunwired
@Scoble K, so Im lost how is this in Twitter's favor now?
- sofarsoShawn
Louis, kind of like what i was saying way above, friendfeeders are probably a bit more discerning in who they follow as well
- Chris Heath
ah, this is the first I've seen of FFholic
- Phil Maxwell
hehe Shawn, that's what I want to know - I want to hear Robert's theory
- jcunwired
If you can fill all your available inbound bandwidth by following 100 people, why would you follow 1000?
- Ken Sheppardson
So perhaps the Twitter follower count will retain the vanity, and FF will be more about what /you/ get out of it. Rather than Twitter, which is about all the who's getting something from you.
- Andrew Leahey
I think Scoble said it best, it's a game.
- Bwana ☠
@kshep, yeah once i'm into a discussion on friendfeed i like to use that embed view ... much cleaner imho
- Chris Heath
A game that ruins networks IMHO
- Bwana ☠
Ken - you never know what you don't know :)
- jcunwired
when you follow for sheer numbers I mean </clarification>
- Bwana ☠
Yeah, if your network is "everyone" is it really a network?
- Ken Sheppardson
totally agree @bwana (notice i'm sending to twitter as i type)
- Chris Heath
1.) Be Robert Scoble 2.) Start a thread on Twitter versus FriendFeed 3.) ??? 4.) PROFIT!!!
- Mike Nayyar
HAH!
- Bwana ☠
Oh my!
- Michael McKean
jcunwired: Well, following 100 people here means you see not just their stuff but the entries they engage on. That amplifies things at least 10x
- Ken Sheppardson
also, i'm not following you on twitter either... why get just your tweets? i want it all!!
- Chris Heath
hehe Mike, true. I do a happy dance if I get one comment for my posts :/
- jcunwired
I think its interesting to see the web getting pushed through these different filters. Like FF now, before it was digg for a little while.
- Andrew Leahey
Its like we're taking all new content added to the web and its sort of a value added proposition. Each service tacks something on as it passes through.
- Andrew Leahey
andrew, the web is still pushed thru digg, and digg is way bigger than friendfeed (currently) and bigger than twitter too
- Chris Heath
Digg bigger than twitter? Really?
- Andrew Leahey
digg has something like 30 million uniques per month... i'm not sure twitter has that... do they?
- Chris Heath
Chris: I recently heard 20 millions
- Jérôme Flipo
Well, what about Twitter client usage?
- Michael McKean
nobody knows how many users Twitter has
- jcunwired
I think Twitter takes Digg.
- Andrew Leahey
Front page digg counts have been declining, IMHO, I think the url shortening thing is going to take a big chunk out of them too.
- Andrew Leahey
andrew: how many digg users have the alexa toolbar, really?
- Chris Heath
isn't alexa only counting internet explorer users?
- Chris Heath
probably a comparable ratio to alexa toolbar users that twitter from twitter.com
- Andrew Leahey
i'm very skeptical of alexa numbers - other traffic counters too...
- Chris Heath
don't get me wrong, im not anti-digg, or knocking it. i just think twitter has more exposure now.
- Andrew Leahey
"unfollowing people in friendfeed is stupid. Just put the lame ones onto a list" - so you're ideal model is everyone is subscribed to everyone by default and then people are responsible for organizing lists?
- Todd Hoff
definitely, its flawed. i just think its flawed pretty equally for those two particular sites. i dont know, no offense intended.
- Andrew Leahey
todd: i think he's trying to say subscribe to lots of people since you can cordon them off into lists
- Chris Heath
Todd Hoff: lol, unfortunately, Robert has left the thread.
- Jérôme Flipo
He said "be right back". Did he get lost on the way to the bathroom?
- Michael McKean
andrew: no offense taken, i have no ties to digg (emotional or otherwise) - i'm just not sure about the numbers
- Chris Heath
Robert probably wanted to say that if you decided to sub someone, you had good reasons which justify to put them in list rather than unsub them once they become to loud.
- Jérôme Flipo
[OT] I love the ability to edit a comment. That's great for non-native English speakers who want to keep up with the conversation without making dozens of typos per comment.
- Jérôme Flipo
jerome, if it would update the comment in real-time after you edit it that would be wicked cool too!
- Chris Heath
I want the comment to go italic for few seconds to let me know it was edited, that always helps.
- Bwana ☠
Yeah, *some* indication of an edit in RT would be slick.
- Ken Sheppardson
Chris: sh*t, it doesn't?!
- Jérôme Flipo
Good idea.
- ElijahBailey-Zu of FF <0,
I've decided to follow everyone who has commented on this thread, why not. :)
- Phil G
They could update the tooltip over the comment icon to display some info.
- Jérôme Flipo
jerome, i'm not sure, but have been told that you have to refresh to see edits
- Chris Heath
Well, there's an easy way to test that...edit 1...edit 2... edit 3... edit 4
- Ken Sheppardson
Phil, that could take some time!
- jcunwired
i refreshed: "Well, there's an easy way to test that...edit 1 - Ken Sheppardson"
- Chris Heath
Actually that would be a useful feature - follow everyone in a conversation that you find stimulating
- jcunwired
anybody see "...edit 1, edit 2" showing up on my last comment when viewing the RT feed?"
- Ken Sheppardson
refreshed again: "Well, there's an easy way to test that...edit 1...edit 2... edit 3 - Ken Sheppardson"
- Chris Heath
but you don't see them in RT?
- Ken Sheppardson
so i'd say pretty confidently that it's not updating in real-time : that seems pretty non-trivial to me
- Chris Heath
yep. me too, i.e. non-trivial
- Ken Sheppardson
well you can't always get everything you want... i just wish that they'd add some more stuff to the beta, i find myself going back to regular friendfeed to mess with subscriptions/rooms/settings and a couple other things too
- Chris Heath
yeah, I'm not getting the rooms thing... or the creating a feed for a room, that is no longer really a room.... but whatever :p
- Krikit Media
I'm *positive* they're going to be adding stuff in. There are things just just can't do right now without going back to pre-beta, and they're certainly not going to maintain both sites indefinitely. Tomorrow morning is the 1wk anniversary of beta. I wonder if that'll mean anything.
- Ken Sheppardson
They have to be very careful not to release too much features right now (if their goal is to go mainstream). Imagine if you had joined Facebook right now, with all its apps and buttons? Twitter is so simple, they've to upgrade slowly.
- Jérôme Flipo
[ot question to the chat]: i've been sending my FF comments to twitter... always have. but now in the beta i'm in conversations here much more (Gillmor Gang, TWiT shows etc) and i'm generating a lot of posts to twitter from my comments here. Is that probably a bad idea? would you turn them off? should i care? (since i'm still garnering twitter followers even quicker now that i'm posting to twitter more)
- Chris Heath
Scoble;The UI decides how the app is used. Conversations are interesting in FF and not twttr. Twitter added reply_ to ids some time back. What they are missing is a ui which looks like this. Optimized for a conversation under one topic.I would wager we will definitely see it some day. I suspect they are in no panic to add it and they might be thinking it is easier to gain momentum with the simpler feature set.
- Faizan
Ken: it'll mean it's been 7 days. I've confirmed that with a reliable source :)
- Phil Maxwell
And I just saw my first FF comment spam posted. FF is going to need some sort of mechanism to prevent that. Also the original poster of the feed item probably should have power to delete anyone's comments.
- Keith Barrett
They do
- Bwana ☠
Keith, you block them (not sure how in beta, but just remove beta. from the url and you can block them)
- Chris Heath
Interesting observation Robert. I've been observing the opposite with my FF vs Twitter accounts. The rate of new followers on Twitter has slowed for me (partially from spending more time here and elsewhere - partially from starting to just block numbers gamers that don't tweet) and the rate at which I'm finding new people following me here is (slowly) increasing.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Chris - personally I'm not nuts about the idea, but then I use Twitter and Friendfeed in two distinctly different ways. When I see a FF comment or like come over from FF to Twitter its often so out of context that its passed over
- jcunwired
jcunwired - yeah, it took a while! phew.
- Phil G
Earlier in the week I think on Gilmore Gang on TWiT, Paul from FF said they were going to make the beta the standard within a couple of weeks.
- BASEnet
The system could be: if you're block by X% of people whose entries you've commented, you're kicked out!
- Jérôme Flipo
There needs to be a comment link at the bottom or hotkey for these long threads. omg
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Click the timestamp.
- Michael McKean
Jérôme: or just hide their comments by default like a lot of sites do
- Phil Maxwell
Jerome - jerks need social interaction too. A better policy would be to have those people all force-follow each other :)
- jcunwired
jcunwired: one thing i'm thinking about doing is to stop sending comments to twitter, but at the same time start sending likes to twitter (which i'm not doing now) that way i'll only send one link per discussion - you know i'm actually going to do that after typing it ... i've convinced myself
- Chris Heath
Phil: that's what I said. I hide, you hide, others hide, then FF catches the spammer, close his account, and thus, prevent others to be spammed
- Jérôme Flipo
I wish I could choose WHICH likes to send to Twitter. Or maybe I'm missing something?
- Michael McKean
jcunwired: love your idea!
- Jérôme Flipo
I think the real problem for someone like Robert is that the real time has increased the noise on people's home feeds, and they haven't really started to use lists and filters yet. ANd I have to agree with Robert about not unfollowing people -put them on a list, you never know when they might add more value later on. This is why you follow astronomical numbers in the first place. To find the gems
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Michael, I don't think you can differentiate. Its all or nothing.
- jcunwired
Here's one for you, Robert...on subject of filters...if I wanted a filter containing JUST my flickr feeds, how would I set up the filter?
- George Hall (Australia)
Jérôme : that's how tiwtter handles spammers ...seems to work pretty well
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Chris: I caught a lot of heat ffrom my twitter followers for the comments going to twitter during a discussion like this. I turn them on only when I really want a single comment to go there so they get the link with outme having to "like"something and give them the wrong idea
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
George Hall, i have a feeling that the feature you request will be forthcoming
- Chris Heath
Oh, I see. I thought most systems report the spammers for action, before hiding its posts to others, i.e you have to bear the flow of spam before the team in charge decides to take action.
- Jérôme Flipo
One ittty-bitty filter like that would make my beta experience complete...;-)
- George Hall (Australia)
guruvan, interesting i haven't heard word one from my twitter followers... i rarely do - most of my @replies come from ppl i've found via im@twitterspy.org
- Chris Heath
Michael: perhaps they could pop up a little check box below the Like asking if you would like to send it to Twitter? That would probably work.
- Phil Maxwell
I wish there was a way to choose each time I like or comment to send it outbound or not, or set the answer to that question as a default maybe a check box next to the comment or like links
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
George Hall - http://beta.friendfeed.com/search...
- Mitch
guruvan: why that's an excellent idea.
- Phil Maxwell
Chris: I did hear from several 2 of which accused me of "spamming" them with ff.im links - but it was always after a discussion that moved like this one is...where it was multiple comments pretty quickly....So I leave the Likes turned on by default, and the comments off.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
NOW my beta experience is complete...thank you Mitch. That can be adapted to the other services, I take it?
- George Hall (Australia)
guruvan, that's what i was affraid of and i've done exactly as you have
- Chris Heath
Yeah for sure. I think friendfeed is service:internal
- Mitch
Phil: LOL! Great Mind think alike 'eh ?
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Chris: That's why I'd like to be able to turn the outbound feed on and off right at the discussion. A lot of comments are really just that - comments...I'd like those posted to twitter to get more people involved in the goings on over here. But I don't think they need to see a link to every time I say something in a thread. (which could be yet another feature...not posting outbound more than once per thread per time period)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
guruvan, earlier today (and yesterday) i had the idea to turn it off while commenting on twit-conversations but decided not to (changed my mind now) - but the once per thread per time period is an interesting idea too
- Chris Heath
Mitch: Got everything set as a filter except any specific rss feed. How does one do that?
- George Hall (Australia)
Chirs: If it was easier I would turn it on and off all the time. I get a lot of traffic/RTs and follows on twitter form the FF likes and comments. It really only irritates with it's like 10 in a few minutes. Some twitter people feel "spammed" on the likes because they have to click 2 times to get to the story that I liked. I wouldn't mind seeing the "original link" check box next to the like link. -so that if there isn't (or isn't likely to be) discussion I want them to see, I can send them straight away.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
George: Check with Mark Traphagen (trappermark) re: RSS filter..he's been working on that and I don't recall where that stood.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
And to add to that point: With the way that many, if not most, twitter users are following massive quantities, and yet still using the website, or a client and no groups, how COULD they see Robert's tweets? But they MUST see Robert's tweets, or Louis gray couldn't have said this: http://beta.friendfeed.com/louisgr...
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
curious as to why this friendfeed comparison to twitter discussion is (as the saying goes) beaten in like a dead horse -in so many variety of ways. is it really that fascinating in describing advantages of friend feed over twitter? (i'm agnostic in either service but curious as to the catalyst(s) in why this is a continuous thing.) there's mechanistic differences, but isn't the point of all this to make of it all what we will? make it our own?
- sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq
I think people readily follow on Twitter because the tolerance for spam on Twitter is higher. It is after all a 140 char message. But on Friendfeed with all the metadata and functionality you really want items that are meaningful to you.
- Vishy
Holy long comment thread, batman! (aside: the existence of such comment threads is one of the advantages of FF) Okay, so I think FF will only succeed if it can encapsulate your entire Twitter existence within FF itself. In other words, on top of all the great things FF does, it needs to become a good Twitter client. This will take some serious pumping up of tools like imaginary friends...
- Karen James
Takes a while to catch up on 300+ comments =P @Netvista: you asked about sharing filters. There's is a room/group where people are doing just that http://beta.friendfeed.com/fffilte... When they share a filter, it's a link to a specific search result. When you're looking at the result, there's a link @ the top in the red bar to create a filter from it. @Mitch and George: to search only FF generated posts, service:friendfeed works.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
So did Scolble finaaaallly answer his comment? "So how does Twitter favor from this BIG difference?" Or was he just inciting more frenzy Scoble style? Looks to be not yet...he disappeared.
- sofarsoShawn
Shawn, it's 6 am in Scoble's time zone. Even he has to sleep sometime =)
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Both of them have users forcing people to click through which is a pain. End.
- Richard A.
Great Conversation, I missed the "live" version as it happened but was able to catch up quickly. Things I'm interested in, sidebar for FF live for browsers? Never mind found it here http://userstyles.org/styles...
- Mark Essel
I tried to read this thread but it was at 600+ comments. Does FF have a tl;dr auto-summarizer yet? No offense folks, but I don't have an hour on Monday morning to catch up here.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Timestamps would be nice too.
- Chris Poulson
Timestamps for what, Chris, the comments? Those are available: hover over the speech bubble to the left of a comment
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Tina beat me to it, but beyond the bubble, some sort of timestamps would be nice so you can just scan the list and tell who said what when. For example, I'd like to be able to see what folks said after I gave up keeping up with the discussion on this around 10pm or so last night.
- Ken Sheppardson
Exactly Ken... Maybe something more along the lines of how Twitter does it. "Chris Poulson 34s ago"
- Chris Poulson
I don't buy that FF generates less followers. The sample size is much smaller to pull from. For an apples to apples compares we need to look at percentages. I'll bet you, percentage wise, you have more followers on FF and Twitter.
- James Furlo
Why do we have to focus so much on the tools? We couldn't expect this behavior to go mainstream. They are nothing other than means to enhance human interactions and relationships. Twitter is about notification and Friendnfeed is better at conversation; but let's ask what's the value of social media to us human being. I'd like to just be able to follow what I think are the best aspects of the people I like, so that I can be good at one thing and leverage on them when it comes what I think they are gd at.
- Tim Lai
*bumps* the contradictions are just ubiquitous
- sofarsoShawn
Gillmor Gang 04.06.09 - http://gillmorgang.techcrunch.com/2009...
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The Gillmor Gang - Michael Arrington, Leo Laporte, Robert Scoble, Kevin Marks, Andrew Keen and Dan Farber - talk about FriendFeed 2.0 with Paul Buchheit. Recorded Monday, April 6, 2009.
- Steve Gillmor
Just beware the anger.
- Shawn Thompson
Beware the anger?
- Paul Jacobson
Paul: First it's Arrington vs. FriendFeed, then Arrington vs. Scoble/FriendFeed, then FriendFeeders vs. Arrington, then Keen piles on... in other words, pretty typical GG ;-)
- Ken Sheppardson
This is tomorrows commute for sure!
- Ken Morley
Ah, excellent! Familiar old names. But who is this Arrington newbie?
- Richard Carter, FCD
Paul: it was a great conversation. Wondering if you have any plans of posting to an identica install the same way I can cc to my twitter account. Is there a reason that this is not implemented? Every time you talk about multiple messaging platforms it gets me thinking about identica and FF playing well together.
- Christian Burns
This is an interesting discussion to me because I've noticed that twitter is becoming or has become a micro messaging platform. Friendfeed seems more for a power user type that understands RSS and feed technologies. Twitter is dead simple, and allows anyone to get on and start. Twitter is for dummies. But also very interesting is the flexibility of Twitter and how pseudo standards like @username and #hashtags are developing.
- John Wright
Really a terrific discussion. And it took place on FF,in the Twit chat room, and on the video/phone simultaneously.
- Francine Hardaway
Is Gillmor a friendfeed investor? Seriously, how many Gilmor Gang episodes can you discuss friendfeed?
- Techboy2000
Techboy2000: Steve's interest is in restoring Track. It's that simple. It has nothing to do with Twitter or Friendfeed.
- Christian Burns
Is the incidental music supposed to be some kind of in-joke? It is amazingly bad...
- Alex Gawley
just finished listening... excellent discussion and congrats Paul + team!
- Jay
Great conversation! Arrington and Keen are maddening and seem out of touch. Agree with Leo that Twitter will be the AOL of this new social ecosystem. Twitter's early success means that they are now stuck where they are. They can't afford to add any complexity without confusing their existing user base. They are what they are, and FriendFeed is something else.
- Ken Morley
I listened to this episode an hour or two ago and I was dumbfounded how closed minded Andrew Keen is and how fixated Michael Arrington is on Twitter. Twitter is successful but FriendFeed has a lot to offer. It is unfair to declare Twitter the runaway winner and that there is no point for anything else, including FriendFeed. It is a bit like this American fixation on the iPhone as the best thing since the Internet. There is a big world out there.
- Paul Jacobson
To be fair to Andrew, I believe it's only been in the last month or two that he's bought into Twitter, and now people are trying to sell him on "the next big thing". He's come a long way from "The twits are twittering on Twitter" http://blogs.zdnet.com/keen...
- Ken Sheppardson
I didn't get the sense that Andrew Keen had used FriendFeed very much. Arrington either for that matter. They seemed to not understand some reasonably basic FriendFeed functionality, like being able to forward FF posts to Twitter.
- Thomas Hawk
I had the same sense, Thomas. Kinda like when you hear a movie critic and wonder if he saw the same movie you did.
- Mark Traphagen
The way that Friendfeed works allows it to do the heavy lifting, filters, conversation, realtime, direct messages to groups. It adds value to Twitter, but can still stand on it's own. Mike did have some good points, as did Andrew from were they are standing the spoke the truth. It's just that life is better for us standing here.
- Christian Burns
"Is FriendFeed a Twitter client"?! *With* FF, everything is. delicious. GReader. Flickr. EVERYthing with a feed.
- Denise Howell
I listened to this today and really enjoyed it. It felt like Arrington was much more focused on things like market share, whereas Paul (and to some extent Steve and Leo) is really looking at a much bigger picture: where is the web and digital communication going? Paul seems to have the luxury of just wanting to be part of faciliating a new form of communication - he doesn't need to assure fthat his company will be at the forefront of the revolution, just that the revolution takes place.
- Laura Norvig
The fact that Google is releasing these detailed datacenter videos (from 2005) makes me suspect that they now have something much better. Worth watching though. http://www.youtube.com/watch... http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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First time i've seen FF display side-by-side youtube videos. this new???
- Roberto Bonini
++ Roberto :)
- vijay
The datacenter was built in 2005, but that's not when the video was made. In order to get the PUE for 12 months, the video must have been made at least a year later.
- Gabe
Yes Roberto, HOW DID HE DO THAT??? :)
- Richard pancakhaus Walker
Touchdown FAIL - http://www.zee.me/blog...
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Hahahahahah oops...
- J. Abdul-Qahhar
Idiot. And this is why I don't like when players fool around on the field. DO YOUR JOB! ugh.
- ♥patricia♥
LOL DOH!
- Santa CW™
that was amazing. and it did autoplay in FF! how hot is that. i hope the coach benched that guy!
- Charles Hudson
Oh dumb people...
- Mike Nayyar
that is awesome, reminds me of the banking industry
- Bryan Thatcher
The wonderful thing about tiggers is tiggers are wonderful things. The tops are made of rubber, the bottoms are ... oh shit!
- Mattb4rd
What a wanker.
- Andrew Trinh
This never gets old. and the fact he didn't learn from this is even better http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- BCK
I think the death penalty is legal in cases like this.
- Dave Winer
Zee your website is throwing HTTP 500 errors doesn't look good. :(
- rob friedman
yeah, sucks eh Rob....bloody site5...should be up in a few more minutes...(hopefully)
- Zee.
+10 dave =D
- Ken Morley
huh, that's nifty that you have the comments fed from here into your blog post. :) which plugin is it?
- rob friedman
yeah, it's awesome - not sure if i'm meant to be talking about it just yet though. They haven't released it but i'm testing it out
- Zee.
pillock!
- Rob Sellen :o)
please share when you can Zee, I'm very interested.
- rob friedman
from twhirl
<hand smacking forehead>
- Ken Stewart | ChangeForge
LOL!!!!
- Luca Filigheddu
Hilarious !
- Nir Ben Yona
ROTFL
- Robie
can't believe it :D
- antonio pavolini
so close and yet so far from the target =)
- Davide D'Incau
lololol
- Chris Farrugia
AHAHAHAHAHA!
- vijay
lol
- Alp
@Peter - so true.
- Nir Ben Yona
pmsl show of eh lol
- eric
I think the correct expression would be 'Oops'.
- Erwin Blonk
missed it by that much...
- Gary Fredrick
oops....
- ybs
ahahahahahaha
- Lucio
Cool :-)
- Zee Waqar
wuajajajajajaj great!
- Francisco Kemeny
looks like an Eagles receiver...
- Anthony Farrior
What a muppet! :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
BCK is right: he didn't learn. FAIL.
- Bill Sodeman
XD
- Jay
hahahah :)
- Metin Kahraman
Anthony - yeah - and he did it again on Monday Night Football this season - learned nothing from this earlier balls-up ....
- Patrick Jordan
One of the top 10 animated GIFs of all time
- Roger Benningfield
somene did a self-pwnage!
- imabonehead
a) Was he trying to break his longest touchdown dive record? b) Was it something that worked during training sessions? c) Is he excessively stupid? d) All of the above
- Nenad Nikolic
这个绝对有意思
- 佛徒
None other than Philly's own DeSean Jackson. Best part? He didn't even learn from this, as Patrick said. It's all about ME.
- Sean O
just found the video - what a pillock http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- Zee.
231! terrific, let's ffholic this, that must be #1. ;p
- ElijahBailey-Zu of FF <0,
#4 for those interested, great post Zee, the animated gif gave a feeling on that first FF beta day that was inexplicable, modern times type of feeling, that things were changing for the service in interaction gathering. 8}
- ElijahBailey-Zu of FF <0,
missed it by that much lol
- Zax Stevens
Can hear Homer now.... Doh!
- Michael Karagines
It is Twitter who should be wearing the "Beta" label, not FriendFeed. Here's why:
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Beta products are usually unfinished, and could crash at any time, or lose your data.
- Louis Gray
Twitter often goes down without warning. Twitter has been known to lose tweets, avatars and followers.
- Louis Gray
Twitter often foils developers with API limits and outages.
- Louis Gray
In contrast, FriendFeed practically never goes down.
- Louis Gray
FriendFeed, if anything, errs by "over counting" your comments and likes, not undercounting.
- Louis Gray
FriendFeed stores all your comments and images in a robust, searchable database.
- Louis Gray
I think FF has the realtime thing down... Twitter is still working out the bugs (now that's beta) ;-)
- Ken Stewart | ChangeForge
So while the FriendFeed team respects you by putting a beta on their newer interface, they are offering a high quality, stable, product where the data is safe. Twitter, on the other hand, could go down at any time, and take your data and metadata with it.
- Louis Gray
i vote we move friendfeed to mode delta - can i get a show of hands?
- Allen Stern
Louis: Totally correct. I really expect the behavior of twitter from a 6-12mo out of the gate startup. By three years old I would think that you have matured enough to AT LEAST be able to notify users of the current status. Twitter seems to think that if they don't post it, no one will notice or remember. wrong...Maybe some pointed ALL CAPS has helped this week...we'll see during the next outage
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
The best thing about Twitter is its search engine. They didn't even make the search engine. They bought it. And they still haven't integrated it for all users.
- Louis Gray
To be fair, FriendFeed hasn't had the same kind of load demands that Twitter has had to accommodate.
- Mike Nayyar
In contrast, the FriendFeed team has a robust search engine from the people who helped make Google's search engine as strong as it is today.
- Louis Gray
Mike, FriendFeed does not have the load Twitter does. But at this point in its lifecycle, the traffic and users are comparable.
- Louis Gray
Twitter is the only site I know that can turn outages into cult following. FF doesn't have or need a Fail Whale!
- Shane
Mike: Totally true, but twitter has been able to see the load demands coming for some time, AND they've had positions open in their techops department for over two months now. If they would bother to fill them, they would have the extra hands on deck necessary to deal with problems. (P.S. I applied and have not heard word one...)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Talking about the Fail Whale! I just got it. No lie. "Twitter is over capacity" Must be traffic from NCAA finals
- Shane
Love the cheeky "Here's why:" crosspost on this one, Louis :D
- Daniel J. Pritchett
FF wished it had enough users to create the load issues that Twitter has to deal with.
- Erik K Veland
Yes straight form "unplanned maintenance" to failwhale
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Twitter has to deal with SMS, does that count for anything?
- Mitch
I saw a fail whale tattoo once - wasn't sure what to make of it. I mean, you're clearly into twitter because of the tat, but does it make you a hip edgy tweeter to have a negative impression of twitter branded on your body? I hope that tattoo was a fake.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Erik: after a few more twitter days like today, with the new interface @ FF it will
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
I can't help but think that Twitter is responsible for its own API problems. I'm glad that the API exists to enable powerful clients like TweetDeck but if Twitter would only internalize some of the more obvious awesome features they could really reduce the API load while optimizing some of the required indexing in-house.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Erik, that's probably true, but what we're discussing is the quality of service. Google scales without downtime. FriendFeed has scaled without downtime. Twitter has had any number of scaling issues we are all familiar with. Successful sites grow. Great sites grow smoothly.
- Louis Gray
Daniel: I disagree. Using the clients to produce constructs out of simple API should lead to lower system loads @ twitter.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
I think the whole beta labeling thing needs to go out the window. We live in a constant state of Beta on the web, so why use it?
- Brandon Mendelson
@Rob - if Twitter enabled FF-style filters you don't think they could save themselves the agony of ten billion people running Tweetdeck 24/7 just to keep up with various custom lists? Granted I haven't whiteboarded the whole thing just yet but it certainly seems to me like it would result in a lower net load.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
One other consideration for Twitter -- no site has had to change to suit to what its users' want to use the product for quite like them.
- Mitch
Mitch, I'm willing to give that point if you can back it up. Are you familiar with the changes that have occurred with FriendFeed over the same time period?
- Louis Gray
LG, you are a smart, smart man.
- Rochelle
Daniel: I'm not sure how the filters implemented would save on the people running their clients 24/7? Filters, no matter where they're placed don't cause me to shut my client down. My tweetdeck runs about 20/7 ;) I sleep about 4 hours a night. I do shut it off then. otherwise it eats all my memory by the time I get up. (but maybe you are right...I just think dumping larger chunks of more compressed raw data to the clients and letting the clients process it is a better load scheme.)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
What are you asking for? Proof that Friendfeed hasn't changed? Go through the FriendFeed-Feedback room and read all the suggestions from people about changes they'd like to see. Aside what was implemented in this beta (like DMs and profile blurbs), virtually nothing was changed for the entire life of the current UI of FriendFeed except for little tweaks that the FriendFeed team wanted like alt-text URL lengthening or "view this article in Digg" (or similar) in the dropdown. Just tweaks IMO.
- Mitch
FriendFeed had tonnes of backend changes though, as Bret's blog post illustrated quite well with the schema-less SQL storage.
- Mitch
How long have you been using the site, Mitch? I've been watching for 18 months, and the changes have been far more dramatic, in my opinion, than those from Twitter, which just does one thing, period, still.
- Louis Gray
Well since I snatched up my username I haven't stopped using it if that's any indication. I just see everything that's happened in the current incarnation of FF as things tweaked. The IM bot and FFNotifier were pleasant surprises along the way though. Props to the FriendFeed team for all they've done but the volume of things in the Feedback room unanswered shows more than you're counting it for I think Louis.
- Mitch
I do agree that Twitter is pretty stagnant Louis. I just thought you were being a little rough on it and wanted to play the devil's advocate as I curiously often find myself wanting to do when reading your work.
- Mitch
I wouldn't consider it "rough" as much as just counting up the many issues they have had, Mitch. I see the strain developers have first-hand in working with the site, and the parallel of their downtime with FriendFeed's revamp made it a good topic.
- Louis Gray
Good topic, agreed. Playing off of what's hot I suppose, I can't blame you.
- Mitch
so....Windows is always in beta?..
- kang
FriendFeed never crashes
- Adam Singer
FriendFeed probably got Penguin a backrub (please confirm otherwise).
- Mitch
Twitter has been driving me nuts lately, clicking on follow doesn't work sometimes, very slow, etc..
- Brian
@Mitch - if FF or Twitter indexes things in the same manner Google does (i.e. find every keyword and proactively index it before it's searched) then that's a flat amount of regular data processing that they can plan around. They don't have to actually send the results of your search offsite unless you come in and flip through your filters/lists to see what's happened since your last visit. An active external search might not be that efficient - it could be hammering the server with the same query
- Daniel J. Pritchett
...repeatedly, and then it's up to the server to recognize a repeated search. It's probably a good idea for the search engine to optimize to first store and then incrementally update repeated searches, but who knows if Twitter or FF is actually doing that.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Beta-lables have to go. It's the Web 2.0 equivalent of the Web 0.89a Under Construction gif. Look at Gmail, half a decade in beta! Ludicrous!
- Erik K Veland
We'll probably never find out details that specific re:search.
- Mitch
Google released whitepapers exactly that specific that I read in grad school. If I had to guess which current social networking company would follow in their footsteps on that naturally I'd say FF, not Twitter.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
@Daniel +1
- kang
I'm trying hard to find the whitepaper that I read way back when but it's been 4-5 years and there's a lot of cruft that's popped up in the meantime. I'll be sure and DM you if I can find it, Mitch.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Sounds good. Too bad Google Docs wasn't around back then. I love storing all my PDFs there.
- Mitch
@Mitch - This isn't as academic as the paper I read but it's still a pretty exhaustive treatment of Google's page crawling and indexing. I hope it will do for now. http://www.scribd.com/doc... I imagine people aren't quite as likely to home in on the search aspect of current-gen services that do more than just search, so who knows when we'll see academics tackling FF/Twitter search...
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Thanks LG :) great review :)
- Live Crunch Blog
Louis, not only has twitter been stagnant the last 18 months, they've actively _removed_ features.
- Andy Bakun
Andy, you say that like it's a bad thing.
- Erik K Veland
Judging from Twitter's /actions/ or /output/ as opposed to its PR, yes, it's still in testing. In fact, they have the freedom to tweak it incessantly because they haven't come up with a business plan.
- Ahsan Ali aka. Slick
Well, it's bad when you're using that feature and it seems to be key to using the site effectively. I used to use the IM integration on twitter a lot, since the order things came in made them easy to read and follow the threads of conversation. That's impossible with the regular twitter UI, and IM doesn't exist anymore.
- Andy Bakun
@Louis Comparable users and load? Come on....;) When Kevin Rose tweets to 400k people and 50k respond with an @ message, that type of load is something FriendFeed hasn't even sniffed yet.
- drew olanoff
Louis meant that FF is keeping up with Twitter at the same relative ages, i.e. FF has as much traffic at X months as Twitter did a year (two?) ago.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Drew, it is something Gmail has sniffed though
- Jesse Stay
Jesse, Gmail was in private beta for some time, and then was invite only (in a very controlled manner) for sometime after that. Plus, usage spikes that "realtimeweb" services see such as sporting events and natural disasters cannot be replicated in an email setting.
- drew olanoff
Twitter's never worked properly, the end :-)
- Richard A.
Even a hobby would output a labor of love.
- Andy Bakun
I've never loved too much twitter, but now that all the "big names" - in US especially - are pushing friendfeed against it, I'm beginning to appreciate Twitter more than ever. :-P
- Markingegno - Donato
FF has a API Rate Limit, too... (500/day)
- Alp
Friendfeed has real time updates :). Twitter does not :(
- Garin Kilpatrick
Poor Digg, people are crapping all over the Digg Bar like at http://blog.wired.com/busines... for "framing people's sites" but Facebook got away with it.
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Interesting that Facebook is now the kind of company where employees leak executive emails to the press but Google still isn't. Culture++
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Infrared Photography - http://rabelaispanurge.blogspot.com/2009...
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"In infrared photography, the film or image sensor used is sensitive to infrared light. Because everyday objects reflect infrared in proportions that differ sharply from that of visible light, the tonal relationships are wildly unexpected. Such near-infrared techniques used in photography give subjects an exotic, antique look. Green vegetation becomes white, whereas human skin becomes pale and ghostly."
- April Buchheit
from Bookmarklet
awesome! eerie and candyland pretty all at once
- Felicia Yue
Why did this blog go off air ?
- Swaroop
The Story of the Lost Google Tapes Part 2 - http://www.podventurezone.com/Podvent...
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"Although Brin and Page were only 26 at the time, and obviously taking a crash course in starting a company, it was clear to me that they were very smart guys and I figured that, with the guidance of seasoned investors like John Doerr and Michael Moritz, Google had a bright future. So I wrote a very positive article and submitted it to my editor, expecting a favorable reaction. Not so fast, my editor, threw the article back at me and said, "This needs to be completely re-written with a more skeptical eye. I personally know these guys and they don't know what their doing.""
- Paul Buchheit
from Bookmarklet
The actual interviews are at http://www.podventurezone.com/Podvent.... It would be nice if they had a transcript available as well.
- Paul Buchheit
Prescience ain't what it used to be.
- Jack (a.k.a. Jeber)
Wow. This is amazing. Tapes from the early days of Google? Can't wait to listen.
- Rishabh Mishra (p248)
wonder whether editor still has job?
- A.T.
Nobody seems to care whether experts have been right or wrong in the past. It's more important to seem authoritative than to actually be right. Anyway, the whole magazine is gone in this case. The tapes are from January 2000.
- Paul Buchheit
"What their doing"? I assume the editor said that to the reporter, rather than wrote it in an email. Editors are usually good at grammar and stuff.
- Kevin Fox
There are several grammatical messes in Part 3. He really ought to hire an editor.
- Laura Norvig
your gwapo ha
- gokouomar
Liked for Paul's comment about experts.
- Bruce Lewis
Fans keep Wozniak 'Dancing With the Stars' - http://www.cnn.com/2009...
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From CNN: "Wozniak and Smirnoff are up against a bevy of entertainers, including an Olympian, an NFL Hall of Famer, the most successful female rapper in hip-hop history and an actor whose claim to fame is appearing naked in the film "Sex and the City." But all that star power has so far been matched by the power of computer geeks who are using what they know best to keep the rhythmically challenged Silicon Valley icon in the game. Chris Harrington, technology director for [...] Luquire George Andrews, set up VoteWoz.com and a similarly named Twitter account, which so far has more than 55,000 followers. [...] When you have beautiful athletes, movie stars and TV personalities, and then you mix in a geek, there's something a little strange and entertaining," Harrington said. "Being a fellow geek myself, I thought now is the time to work with the technologies that we know and start pushing for the vote.""
- Mark Trapp
from Bookmarklet
facepalm
- Bwana ☠
WOZ is the new Sanjia
- Santa CW™
I love the devious grin he's got on his face. Like "Yes, I know this is ludicrous! Hee hee, check me out!"
- Paul Smith
..... and so, he gives hope to the rest of us geeks.
- Ladybug Heather
Woz is my hero. He got me started by giving me $40,000 worth of Macs back in 1989 for our journalism department at West Valley Community College in Saratoga. I love that he is doing this. Even though I agree with Jason that he can't dance.
- Robert Scoble
OMG, Steve Wozniak is a celebrity? Fuck it then - I'M going to go on the show next.
- Ciaoenrico
They should let Woz do his dance routine on a Segway.
- MVB (Grinch of FF)
I love Woz. He is an artist..
- Onur Gündüz
Onur: did you know Woz has the world's highest score in Tetris? He loves playing games. I bet he got bored with video games and wanted to play something bigger.
- Robert Scoble
I heard he carries around uncut sheets of $2 bills that he cuts with scissors to leave tips and the like. He's my hero.,
- ha3rvey (just a friend)
Robert: Highest score in Tetris? Gosh :) I think it was before the plane-crash. I heard his short-term-memory is not functioning anymore. He is lucky, he is alive anyway :)
- Onur Gündüz
Onur: I don't agree with that. We met after the plane crash and he always remembers me. I interviewed him on stage, too, a couple of years ago up in Washington, and his ability to recall things seemed pretty good.
- Robert Scoble
And I've watched him play Tetris. It goes so fast I can hardly see the things on his screen. It's amazing to watch a master play that game.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: Woz remembers you?? :)) Wow. My mom barely remembers me :) If he is OK, that's really great news. I don't want him to fade out like my other uber-nerd-heroes.
- Onur Gündüz
Onur: yeah, and what's even weirder is I remember his phone number even though I haven't called it since the mid 1990s. Of course he makes his phone numbers memorable. If I remember right he owns 222-222-2222 but can't use it because babies would call him up all the time by just clicking the 2 key over and over.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: LOL :) Now I wonder who owns 111-111-111 Steve Jobs?
- Onur Gündüz
Onur: woz might own that one too. He's employee #1 at Apple (at least that's what his badge says).
- Robert Scoble
Am I the only one dissatisfied by the BSG conclusion? They basically answered a lot of questions with "God did it", and then the characters choose to terminate their civilization, culture, knowledge and technology, entering into a 150,000 year dark-age.
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They left us with their "best part", which is apparently the 8's mitochondrial dna.
- Paul Buchheit
No, you are not. I was waiting for a grand finale where everything will be explained in some surprising, mind-blowing way. Everything *was* explained, but the explanation was, lacking a better word, lame.
- Tudor Bosman
I thought the last part, where they brow beat the whole future time-traveling head angels teaching us an after-school special lesson, was lame. In retrospect, the rest of the ending was probably the only appropriate way to end everything: throughout the series, the running theme is mankind got too proud with its technology and built cylons; the cylons rebelled, and even the best laid...
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- Mark Trapp
The one thing they could've done was stretch out the catharsis over more than 20 minutes: I feel like the entire second half of season four was at least a full season's worth of plot condensed after they wasted so much time on nowhere plots in season three. I think they could've explained a little more about the divine plan, but that was probably a victim of the condensed plot line as well. Hopefully The Plan, the TV movie coming out later in the year, expands on the divinity story.
- Mark Trapp
I had no problem dumping most of the high tech because it would make them easier to find in case there are any stragglers were looking for them, was failing and wasn't all that useful. New Caprica looked more like something from Charles Dickens than the Garden of Eden.
- RAPatton
Most tech oriented people I talked to loved that they finally "won" the war with Cavil, heroically, but hated that they chose to be erased from history and live terrible, brutish, short lives without modern medicine or anything. Most people were hoping that they would land on Earth and find it was the genesis of Kobol, a destroyed (non-radioactive earth), like Planet of the Apes, and they would live off in the future in our memories rather than being dead 150,000 years ago.
- Ray Cromwell
One option RDM could have taken with the 'past earth' version would be to make them Atlantians, having build the city of Atlantis and vanished for some reason. But Colonials with children giving up *everything* and living like primitive man? I don't see it, no matter how bad the Cylon war/Cycle was. Some humans would have voted to go live with the Centurions in the base ship or tag along with them I bet. Hell, I would have voted to set a ship down somewhere and live out of it.
- Ray Cromwell
It was incredibly weak.. all this god did it stuff.. your all seeing angels.. Starbuck was an angel.. blah blah blah... really did a disservice to the characters.
- Dave Senior
from twhirl
I was hoping the angels would turn out to be some hyper-advanced AIs from Kobol that had gone to war and started the original exodus, and had been spreading a viral meme through generations of robot DNA manifested as visions, angels, All Along The Watchtower, etc. It wouldn't explain the clairvoyance of how to arrange both fleets to arrive just in time for the super-nova. Or that the singularity+FTL would turn into a time travel device(weak, yes) but allow for Baltar to be the author of Pythian prophecies
- Ray Cromwell
I also thought it was very naive of Apollo to blame war on technology. Humans have been warring for a long time. Technology has just changed what it looks like. The same goes for pedophiles. They used to hang out at the school playground. Now they can hang out in the internet instead. I did like the foreshadowing of things happening again, as the hybrid said.
- Robert Felty
I was disappointed that no one pointed out how much is sucks to live without technology. I also thought it was interesting that a couple of the main characters wanted to be hermits in the end. I was happy that they finally let Roslin die.
- Clare Dibble
Claire, there was a dialogue with Romo Lampkin, where he showed surprise that the entire fleet was so willing to forgo "creature comforts," to which someone replied that he underestimated the amount people would sacrifice for a "clean slate."
- Mark Trapp
I could have done without the final moral lesson but was otherwise satisfied.
- Kevin D. White
That crew of screw-ups as the first intelligent life on Earth -- explains a lot. And Baltar and 6 as the 'angels' walking with us to this day. Sorry, but the juxtaposition of Adama throwing up on himself and Tigh and Ellen getting further shitfaced in a strip club, with the scenes of beautiful pristine Earth, was maybe about the lousiest ending that could have been thought up. Ronald Moore's creation was pretty ugly, top to bottom.
- Christopher Galtenberg
But we were left with one lingering question: where will the cylons find fashionable duds now?
- Christopher Galtenberg
I haven't written my final review or figured out what it will say, but part of the reason I found it satisfying is that to me BSG is a collection of characters, and the ending for each made sense, and gave me closure. I like this way of ending, as opposed to the Sopranos which I found unsettling and lacking resolution.
- Dave Winer
We're all descendants of a half-Korean cylon mitochondrial Eve. :p
- Josh Haley
Yep, loved it! They found their paradise and didn't want to spoil it, there's absolutely nothing wrong with that. After all the pain and suffering a simple life would be very attractive.
- Rob Fahrni
I guess I don't believe in the Luddite fantasy of paradise, that if only we destroyed all our knowledge and technology, then things would be ok. I doubt that ignorance is the way forward.
- Paul Buchheit
It was about as good as any series ending I've ever seen, probably the best SciFi for sure. I'm sure I'm not the only who bites his check bloody when someone says "All Good Things"
- Matthew DeVries
Only 2 things bummed me out, that they didn't flat out say that Starbuck was the daughter of a Seven, and that they never unboxed the Twos.
- Matthew DeVries
I think things would have been horrible. Think of the Europeans arriving in the New World. How many of the initial waves died? How many of the immigrants and natives succumbed to disease. The Colonials would not have been immune to Earth 2 diseases, nor the primitive natives of theirs. How did Adama build his dream cabin with no steel tools? Did he make a Stone Axe? Look at how city dwellers failed when back-to-nature Communists marched them into the fields to be farmers.
- Ray Cromwell
Paul -- maybe we'd feel differently if we were the last survivors of a civilization that had destroyed itself -- with technology.
- Dave Winer
Paul, I'll drink to that, but I wonder how they could've resolved the ongoing theme of "our technology screwed us" in a way that wouldn't involve a rejection of technological progress. Consider that in the first war, they managed to defend against the Cylons by removing networked computers from their defenses, and the only reason Galactica survived the holocaust was because it was the luddite battlestar of the fleet.
- Mark Trapp
Matthew: Kara being the daughter of Daniel/Seven was never in the cards. RDM went on an interview tour basically saying "my bad, we didn't mean Daniel to be anything more than a minor character in the Cavil backstory. Don't pin your hopes to him."
- Mark Trapp
But Mark - Kara and Hera? Come on. Starbuck was Seven's daughter, that's just a given.
- Matthew DeVries
Dave, I considered that, and of course there's no way to know how we'd feel after being through all that. I think the fact that the show's ending bothers me so much is perhaps an argument that it was a "good" ending :)
- Paul Buchheit
You know one guy would've been smelting out iron barrels and making potassium nitrate the first time he had to go bow or spear hunting. Maybe he was one of the ones who landed in China.
- Rob Haas
You can have a clean slate without obliterating all the lessons you've learned up to that point. It just seems wasteful and naive to think the "clean slate" wouldn't dream of electric sheep at some point down the road. But, hey, it is BSG after all. RDM did the best that could be done in that context.
- Scott Greiff
On Xenoevolutionary scale, what are the odds that a biologically similar culture will develop far far away with all the historical biological impressions that Earth has? And I'm not even taking Drake's equation into this whole thing (which would throw the odds far far far far away)
- Eran Sandler
Once saving grace is that the Centurions who left at the end on the baseship presumably have a historical record, and can return in a future BSG Movie, Galactica 2080, to warn Japan about creating humanoid female fashion robots, and to rescue a band of super-powered scout kids..... :) I am still depressed that a culture that invented FTL, immortality through resurrection/consciousness uploads, and AI, destroyed itself multiple times, forgot its history multiple times, and essentially gave up.
- Ray Cromwell
I think we're forgetting something in all this: the show had a proper ending. Maybe it's not the ending we didn't want or like, but it ended. How many of our favorite shows have we seen that were cancelled out from under us, with no way to proper finish the story or with some lame attempt to tie off the myriad loose ends? I'm just glad that Moore and his bunch got to tell their story completely. Was it the one I wanted? Not really, but it finished. And that's not nothing.
- Steven Perez
Oh, and I think that it was the only proper ending that could be had: break the endless cycle of pain and death and find a new way, even if it meant giving up the things that made them "advanced". Then again, after all these years of hype, what possible ending would have satisfied the majority of viewers?
- Steven Perez
Thanks for heads up but we don't all live in USA... Season Finale is scheduled here in three months...
- Boubacar Balde
from twhirl
For a series to have an official ending here in the US is kind of a big deal. I kind of wish more shows would wrap up, considering they ran out of ideas awhile back.
- Jon, the Chilled Beartato
Has there ever been a good ending to a sci-fi/fantasy series? Nerds cannot be pleased.
- Matthew DeVries
I gave it an 8 out of 10. The crew was under a lot of pressure to wrap things up, and for the most part did their best to tie it all together. Did they cop out on some questions? Absolutely (Starbuck anyone?). So there were some ways I was disappointed, but I thought it was better than the last couple of episodes had been trending (horribly IMO).
- David Wynn
The best way I can rationalize the loose ends / mysticism - is that it serves as a counterpoint to the technology - it indicates that the universe that they live in is still much more complex than they (or we) understand - and that although the cylon/human battle seems monumental, it's insignificant in relation to the as yet still unknown. I think that's where allegory with today is most clear. The only thing that weakened it for me was the in-your-face Baltar/Caprica in 2009 silliness.
- Robin Barooah
...although that actually looked as though it was tacked on afterwards - my guess would be studio fears that the emotional/spiritual ending would be lost on some people so they wanted a simplified ending as well.
- Robin Barooah
Saw the title of this thread before watching the finale so decided to let RDM be God and trust HIS divine plan and thoroughly enjoyed the whole thing.
- Nicola Quinn
A much much better conclusion would have been something like what Asimov did to merge and end both the Foundation and the Robots series.
- Mario Nogueira Ramos
I wish this was available on Netflix streaming. I'm afraid to admit I haven't seen any of them. I'd rather stream it than get the DVDs though.
- Jesse Stay
I'm still waiting for someone to cite a more perfect SciFi/Fantasy ending. There's never been one. So just respect it for not being flat out terrible like ALL of the other SciFi endings have been. Voyager was the closest to not terrible, and it was still pretty terrible.
- Matthew DeVries
I agree the Luddite conclusion is annoying. But lately I'm thinking it's not so much "either or." A happy convergence is occurring between the POV that "it takes a village to raise a child" (ie, we'd all be better off in those simpler times) and the increased value that comes from less anonymity online. Instead of lurking and seedy chat rooms, the participation and responsibility is way up. In a way, we're recreating the village. It's a little bit tech, and a little bit Luddite.
- Edward Zwart
Edward: It's a little bit country, and a little bit rock and roll?
- Mark Trapp
Really? Maybe the most vile and self-centered character consistently and throughout the whole series, Baltar, finally decides to something else before himself and he his the hero. All is better: a simple moment to erase the the selling out of the human race. Isn't the message that you should do as you will for as long as you can, and just when you are pretty sure you are about to die, say you're sorry and you'll never do it again. Ouch!
- Chris Rose
from twhirl
Ooo! I just thought of the perfect ending for BSG--they should have called me-- right during the biggest battle, the alarms are sounding and we fade to, insert character here, wakes up and, insert clever-thought-provoking visual here and fade to black, roll credits. I'd like to thank the Acad.....
- Chris Rose
from twhirl
Having wasted many hours following the plot-churn that was the third series I'm glad I wasn't able to see the fourth. Judging from most of the comments here it wouldn't have been a good investment. Why is it all these space operas, from Star Wars to BSG, have to get religious? But then maybe I'm demonstrating why we Brits always get cast as the villains in US series -- something to do with our tendency towards jaded detachment..!
- Tim Ostler
I too was dissatisfied. Sorry, but post-apocalyptic Sci-Fi is a difficult genre and they just didn't deliver. History repeats itself, maybe it will mutate this time around? Gee, I haven't heard that stuff 100 times before. The religious stuff was preachy and overkill. The anti-technology stuff was ridiculous (remember a few episodes ago when toothpaste was a big deal). They resolved everything but the resolution was bunk.
- AJ Kohn
Overall, I liked it, but there was too much "God did it" hand-waviness for it to be completely enjoyable. If there was hinting at some of them becoming Atlantis, at least that would have addressed the "everyone would NOT choose to give up all their technology" issue. A SciFi series that had a much better conclusion than this was Babylon 5. The end of Season 4 of that show (the *real* ending to the main story) was fantastic. Season 5 was alright, but felt more like an epilogue than anything.
- Chieze Okoye
I thought the war scenes were great. I kind of half-heartedly liked the re-enactment of the "opera house," the really long death scene was lame. Glad Olmos got the final scene. Well, despite the odd angels-on-earth-still-in-90s-fashions (though they're 150K years old..?)
- anna sauce
... and I'm also glad that an American TV series decided to end. Starbucks disappearing was dumb. In general, wish they'd done more flashbacks/character substantiation in the weird 3rd/4th seasons that were so slow and melodramatic.
- anna sauce
You are not the only dissatisfied one. I didn't care for it the first time I watched it, let it sit for a day and watched it again, only to find marginal improvement. Not quite as bad an exit as the Sopranos, but certainly not as smart as MASH. 5 stars out of 10 to what was an otherwise extraordinary series.
- Cole Jolley
Anna - you wanted more flashbacks? I thought that the last several episodes were too slow. Most of the revelations about the final five etc. had already been revealed, so the flashbacks didn't really explain that much. I thought that one of the great parts of the series was how suspenseful it was. That was lacking in my opinion in the last several episodes (except the finale).
- Robert Felty
I think I would've just let it pass as a reasonably neutral, non-sucky finish if not for the flash-forward at the end. I found that totally inconsistent, it took me out of the story completely, and sorta left a bad taste in my mouth RE the whole series.
- Ken Sheppardson
I for one am glad for the sucky flash forward, thereby justifying my not having spent any time at all on this
- Steve Gillmor
Finally saw this (it showed up on Hulu yesterday) and it really wasn't half as bad as I was expecting from these comments. :-D I didn't think it was particularly depressing that they walked away from technology. Maybe the depressing part was that the technology didn't change them: that *despite* the fantastically advanced technology developed over millenia, humanity's idea of a "good time" still revolved around politics, illicit sexual encounters, and getting drunk and puking on yourself.
- Karim
Maybe the correct analogy is not to Luddites -- who hated technology because they saw it as stealing their jobs -- but more to the Amish, who wish for peace and nonviolence. ;-)
- Karim
Teens capture images of space with £56 camera and balloon - Telegraph - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news...
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It's not quite space, but it's close.
- Michael Nielsen
from Bookmarklet
I wonder if they were in contact with the groups that did that in 2008 and 2007 - http://scilib.typepad.com/science...
- Richard Akerman
Nice images, Richard.
- Michael Nielsen
That is so awesome.
- Steve Koch
This is great.
- Bill Romanos
love this. I wonder if you could mount a model rocket to that beast and have it fire once in the stratosphere. With the less dense atmosphere, I wonder what kind of altitude you could achieve.
- mikepk
Awesome. And could be the source of so many science exam questions. How long does it take to get to maximum height? How far does it travel laterally? How much does the balloon expand, and why? Given the density of the air, could you hear the balloon pop? :)
- Matthew Todd
Those are good questions, Mat. But somehow my thoughts are dominated by mikepk's proposal to combine with a model rocket :)
- Steve Koch
To Infinity and Beyond!
- Matthew Todd
+1 infinity
- Steve Koch
Great photos here, http://blog.makezine.com/archive...
- The Neurocritic
I used to do model rockets when I was a kid - so many times I wish I could "see" what our rockets saw. This kicks ass.
- Anthony Citrano
all tooo cool
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
The Twitterer - http://politicalhumor.about.com/od...
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Comments? On Friendfeed!:)
- Igor Poltavskiy
«Forgot pants today. I will discuss here why:»
- Alexey Ivanov
那我给你穿个底裤先，哈哈
- 阿石
Only six years until we hit the future promised in Back to the Future Part II. Where are our flying cars and hoverboards?
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Google Labs
- Charlie Anzman
And the Cubs winning the world series!
- Alex Scoble
I was pretty disappointed that when we hit 2001, we didn't have commuter shuttles to the moon, but practically speaking, I guess I'd rather have ubiquitous wifi and tablets than flying cars and hoverboards, so it evens out.
- Victor Ganata
I've always dreamt of those hoverboards!
- directeur
didn't you watch the documentary that came with the dvd?? the hoverboards are real, just too dangerous, they won't release them! ;)
- Terry O'Fee
hmmm, after seeing the first one the other night with my girlfriend, I was thinking the same thing about the flying cars...
- Harold
Yep. When we watched it a few months ago, I got all pissed over what we don't have now.
- Admiral Anika
Then again - We've seen Dick Tracy (with cellphones) ... plus a little. Now if we could fly around like the Jetsons! ....
- Charlie Anzman
The liability issues would be huge. I have a feeling that pediatric emergency room visits for head trauma would sharply spike.
- Victor Ganata
We'd have flying cars that run on vegetable oil if Al Gore won the presidency. http://is.gd/lGnt ;)
- KyleHase
from twhirl
Half the humor of the internet is the humor of missed humor.
- Paul Buchheit
I wonder what the premiums of an insurance policy on a flying car would be?
- Victor Ganata
I'm sad to say I actually fell off the Segway (and yes, I watched the whole safety video before they'd give me a key). It was the stupid turn-handle. I needed to avoid an obstacle so I leaned and turned the handle, but turned it the wrong way which, along with my leaning, jettisoned me off the side. The rest of the Segway was so instinctual. They should've done a better job with the turning UI.
- Kevin Fox
I loved that movie!!!!! I want all that technology.
- Tamar Weinberg
@Chris White Remember it was the late '80s. Goofy looking was in style.
- Jesse Hattabaugh
I *just* watched this trilogy for the first time ever. Heck no, no flying cars. We should probably never have those (unless they steer themselves). II did get it right about flat screen tvs, though.
- Kamilah Gill
what about the cuisinart fusion machine? that's what we really need!!!
- don loeb
Seriously, screw the flying car. I want my Mr. Fusion Home Energy Reactor.
- Victor Ganata
i would destroy every single flying car UNLESS they made a delorean version.
- Terry O'Fee
Victor. A couple companies are working on small nuclear reactors which would power neighborhoods of up to 20,000 homes. I think they are buried, and have a lifespan of about 30 years. http://www.guardian.co.uk/environ...
- Robert Felty
Michael, is it flying?
- Onur Gündüz
brilliant, though, especially the first one. +1 zemeckis
- Anthony Citrano
hahah come on, the delorean needs to come back into fashion. we all know it :P
- Terry O'Fee
not in australia :P i know matthew reily (famous author) has one, but he has a fully scaled model of han in carbonite. a geek with money :P
- Terry O'Fee
wasnt he also involved with the mob or something? wasnt it that that got him into trouble??
- Terry O'Fee
Delorean's money shortfall was well-known, so the FBI (having their own shorfall of suspects, apparently) approached him undercover with a scheme to smuggle cocaine into the US by hiding it in the cars manufactured in Ireland. He needed the money and they threatened him and his family if he refused, so he went along with it. He beat the obvious entrapment charge, but I think they eventually got him for some unrelated fraud.
- Gabe
i remember seeing he finally got on his feet financially a few years back, promised more deloreans, and then died of a heart attack, poor bugger.
- Terry O'Fee
I love the first comment from Charlie :)
- Joe Dawson
You guys should check out paleofuture.com
- Rubin Sfadj
Screw the hoverboard. I want my, steam powered, hover converted, time traveling, train to the stars!
- Joe Pierce
i love the gull wing doors too :)
- Terry O'Fee
And just 1 year till Arthur C. Clarke's 2010 comes true. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
I still want a hover board.
- tomit
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Very gradual change we can can believe in - http://www.mikero.com/blog...
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L O L
- Josh Haley
hahahah!
- Susan Beebe
big thumbs up
- MikeAmundsen
Genius.
- Ken Norton
Hilarious!
- Chieze Okoye
Haha that's great...I don't believe in either change though :/
- Jonathan Brown
Love!
- Rob Schonberger
Hilarious ... especially under any change management aspects
- joergkurtwegner
Excellent! :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Don't be ridiculous - it's an ox cart, not a chariot.
- Hayes Haugen
This is HYSTERICAL!!!!
- Patricia F. Anderson
err neither. The world is a slightly convex disc resting on the back of four elephants, which stand on the back of the Great A'Tuin
- Deepak Singh
wow, so rational.
- anna sauce
Yeah - I purchased that specific shirt when someone tweeted it yesterday. It's fabulous!
- Daniel Brown
@deepak Elephants? I thought it was a turtle? Oops, sry, wrong continent...
- Jim Hardy
They need to sell these as embroidery files that can be stitched onto the academicals or stole.
- Jim Hardy
Proof the Beatles are the most popular band ever: A day in the life of Abbey Road http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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This is AWESOME
- Josh Haley
Check out 1:34 LOL
- Josh Haley
1:34 ROFL!!!
- AJ Batac
I hate to admit it, but I've done it. :)
- Jen (SquirrelGirl)
hahahahahahahahaha
- Iain Baker
So awesome!!!! Literally LOLed at work.
- Nurse Katie
That's hilarious! some people don't know how to walk at all!
- Juan Pablo González
WTF 1:34 ? hahahaha
- Juan Pablo González
I must got there.
- Christian (Simply X)
That IS awesome ... and I'm glad that's not part of my commute!
- Alan
I must remember to never drive down there!
- Matthew Neale
that's great
- Chieze Okoye
I'd probably resist the temptation, if I ever made it to the UK. On the other hand, I did visit Danforth & Pape on a trip to Toronto in 1994.
- Pat Rice
Fantastico! Melhores faculdades dos EUA online: http://www.academicearth.org/
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Realized just now that I don't use Delicious anymore to share links. I use Friendfeed.
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Ditto @Scott
- Todd Brunner
from twhirl
copy, paste, and tell the tweeple
- Pete Delucchi
Tried to log in to delicious yesterday and couldn't remember my login deets
- Christian Anderson
Same here.
- Victor Solanoy
Same.
- Melanie Reed
yeah cause its easier to go back and check your links in delicious if you want to keep it if it's not just another lolcat pic.. things move too fast to go back in here
- Terry O'Fee
uh, yeah!
- Josh Haley
I still do because I find them a bit easier to find later. Plus they get pushed here, twitter and, after a few build up, to my blog as a link post.
- Scott Kingery
I still use delicious! But only for things that I think I shouldn't miss in the future. And as always, I just bookmark stuff there, forgetting everything about them the next second. It's almost like a ritual!
- rampantheart
from twhirl
It's easier following up on a link in del though.
- ◄ani625Ξ
Veronica, that's a good thing. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Bookmarklets rule and FF has nicest one so far.
- Rodfather
I wrote a delicious clone and integrated it with my blogging software.
- Wirehead
I use Delicious all the time. Like the fact I can take my bookmarks anywhere that has a internet connection. Use FriendFeed to share funny pictures.
- Hector Ramon
I think the only person I ever shared links with on delicious was myself. In the future. On another computer. The firefox plugin is great -- and I wish Chrome had something like it so the links would more easily go cross-browser in near-realtime.
- lilbyrdie
is there a bookmarklet for delicious? I used to use the plugin for Firefox, but now I'm on Camino and I never looked for a new one.
- Veronica
@Veronica - see here for the bookmarklet: http://delicious.com/help... - I tend to use Google Bookmarks for the stuff I use day-to-day and delicious for all the things I think "that might be useful in the future"
- Andy Davies
I use Delicious for myself, FF to share with others. :)
- mikepk
All of this talk of feeding on delicious friends is making me hungry!
- Paul Reynolds
I use del.icio.us more, with friendfeed. Now they route to Twitter near realtime; before, they were homebodies.
- Denise Howell
I don't share links. I keep them all to myself. Screw you guys. OK, maybe Twitter.
- Mike Nayyar
I never used Delicious to share links. It's a tool for saving links for yourself primarily IMO. Delicious has been so valuable to me personally because of that. I think ur doin' it wrong.
- Fleagle
People share links???? HAHAHA!!!!!
- Benno
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