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There will be a live, in-person, face-to-face (audience participation included) Rebooting the News with Jay Rosen, Saturday Oct. 3 at the Hilton San Francisco 4:00 pm, in the Union Square 15 & 16 room and YOU're invited. The room holds about 40. Dave Winer's dad died last night so he won't be there. I will be and others rebooting the news will be.
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The we are in is called Union Square 15 & 16. It's on the 4th floor of Tower Three at the Hilton. If you're a journalist, or a start-up, or just someone with new media dreams, you are welcome. You don't have to be a member of Online News Association or an official participant in the conference, just come.
- Jay Rosen
Dave and I paid for the room ourselves, so that's why we can say that without fear of contradiction. Address: 333 O'Farrell Street, San Francisco, California, United States 94102 Tel: 1-415-771-1400 http://www1.hilton.com/en_US...
- Jay Rosen
I'll bet that's the Hilton on O'Farrell. Wish I could get down there (3 hours away). Your timing makes it tempting.
- USelaine
Thank you Jay, I'm planning on attending.
- Peter Mullen
so oprah was injected into the twitter default list immediately - got a nice 700k followers and hasn't posted in a week - discuss.
Tim, Rajiv Doshi, Susan Beebe and 31 other people liked this
She has to go do bed without dinner!
- Dave Winer
The fact that this surprises anyone surprises me.
- Alex Scoble
The same is probably true for her followers, I'd be surprised if more than 50% get what Twitter is
- Jorge Escobar
attention deficit disorder?
- bob phillips
She's probably off evaluating JaikuEngine vs Laconica for her own Harpo-branded microblogging community site. Not.
- Ken Sheppardson
clearly the line that the twitter founders gave us about how people get on the list is a joke, but we knew that already.
- Allen Stern
Who? The nearest I get to following a 'star' is the British comedian Stephen Fry because he genuinely interacts and makes me roar with laughter. Mind you, FabooMama does that too :-)
- Sally Church
700K followers isn't social it's marketing. And they probably didn't see that much bang for their buck yet ... so ... off to something else.
- AJ Kohn
We knew that Twitter was going to place its "celebrity" users into the default list and especially oprah after shes increased traffic to Twitter.
- Nicholas James
I mention this thread on my latest blog post: Read/Write Twitter: Twitter’s real value is up to you http://cli.gs/78ZLP2
- Jorge Escobar
she is like 60% of those who try twitter -- they do not return
- Bob Boynton
I think it's unfortunate that there are celebs out there that don't harness twitter, but just get an account to gather followers. What's the point if you're not communicating? I'd be happy with just a portion of those followers (100k), but I actually engage.
- Kevin Elliott
I am laughing. Twitter's story is about to get worse.
- Robert Scoble
I am not at all surprised. I think the Oprah publicity did more harm than good to Twitter.
- rob
Fuck Twitter. Block me bitches.
- Brian Daniel Eisenberg
What's even funnier to me: Not that people are surprised but that anyone expected her to post regularly in the first place.
- Trish R
She had three posts today if anyone cares…
- Erik K Veland
she doesn't get it give the poor girl a chance ...she'll be back
- Thomas Power
We were discussing this a few days ago, contains some interesting point of views. "Does Twitter's Recommended Users List Give an Unfair Advantage to the Privileged Few?" http://ff.im/2nwsb
- Sharon McPherson
Maybe she is scared of the mistake Hugh Jackman made with his Ghost Writer
- Azzam
Hmm. Let's see. You build a website that people use for free. That website gets OPRAH to join... I'd put her face on the front page holding a big blue bird that says "follow-me!" tattooed on its forehead, even if she doesn't use it all too often. "Oh no! it's been a whole week since she hasn't updated!" - Who cares? Don't like the SUL? Don't look at it. Don't like Oprah getting followers? Don't look. That's the wondrous beauty of Web 2.0; user-controlled environment. Make of it what you want.
- Sociosophy Reviews
Her assistant is likely too busy.
- Jim Goldstein
that is why @oprah is fail. Plain and simple. #toughroom
- Drew Lucas
I think the Oprah/Kutcher try Twitter live incident truly was Twitter's jump the shark moment
- Brian Sullivan
What's an oprah? Isn't that like a vegetable or something? As far as I know, vegetables are not capable of using twitter.
- Jeremy Brooks
Who's Oprah?
- Matt Warren
lame
- Susan Beebe
Friendfeeders: Do not respond to this, do not comment and do not 'like' it.
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Why not? ;-)
- Jan Simmonds
Sorry, you can't tell me what to do :)
- Rob Diana
Haha, poor you =))
- Ninh Nguyen
But I liked it!
- Jorge Escobar
Surely you wanted us to do the opposite of what you said. It's the only thing that makes sense. Very clever, Mr. Owyang...
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
Is there a reason for this, Mr. Owyang?
- imabonehead
Jeremiah, you can't ask FriendFeeders to not comment / not like! These social networkers are the best commenters/likers ;)
- Thierry R. Andriamirado
Sure that FriendFeed is the best media to train people in commenting & liking stuffs
- Thierry R. Andriamirado
i likie!
- Gordon Swaby
No comment.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
No comment either
- Roberto Bonini
OK.
- Mitch Wagner
:p
- Helen Sventitsky
This is a test. This user is conducting a test of the Emergency Comment System. This is only a test. [attention signal] This is a test of the Emergency Comment System. The users of your social media site in voluntary cooperation with the Federal, State, and server authorities have developed this system to keep you informed in the event of an comment. If this had been an actual comment,...
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- Scott of Two Countries
Can't touch this.
- Mike Reynolds
Surely you are joking with this post.
- Alex Scoble
Sheep. ;)
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
Umm, maybe this belongs on Twitter, the non-collaborative microblogging platform.
- jcunwired
I never do what I'm told.
- Robert Scoble
THIS IS REVERSE PSYCHOLOGY I KNOW IT
- Mike Nayyar
Done
- Håkan Dahlström
The White Horse syndrome.
- Nir Ben Yona
See this thread: http://friendfeed.com/e... (Infinite loop!)
- Jemm
He said "do not comment and do not 'like' it". So I am only commenting :)
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
@ Robert Scoble me too I never do what I'm suppose to do :-)
- YoYo_P
meh... I'll do it anyway
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
you're not the king of me.
- grant fox
Just cuz.
- David Cook
Yes sir! I will not respond to this, will not comment and will not 'like' it. NOT :)
- imabonehead
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- Louis Gray
LOUIS!!!! You borked FF dangnabbit!
- WorldofHiglet
Higlet, this was the right post in which to do it. :)
- Louis Gray
Oh lord. Now you've gone and done it. You've created a black hole in the fabric of the universe and we will all be sucked into an alternate reality. Thankfully we won't notice, because we will still see a reality.
- Jack (a.k.a. Jeber)
I feel all dirty now
- Robert Kenney
While that might be true, Louis, watching the sideways scroll plus realtime is too trippy!
- WorldofHiglet
Now open this post in FireFox, Higlet.
- Louis Gray
Haha! I comment anyway!
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
*hide*
- Brian Daniel Eisenberg
Pffft. Are you trying to demonstrate that not all browsers are created equal? Not only do I not use FF for FF (you heard) the fact that I did just to make sure highlights a very important point. I discuss that more here: http://beta.friendfeed.com/worldof...
- WorldofHiglet
Failure to Obey - :-)
- Dan Morrill AKA Techwag
yes, Dan, there's always one....:)
- WorldofHiglet
lol! Thanks WorldofHiglet :-)
- Dan Morrill AKA Techwag
Though in this case, more than one :))
- WorldofHiglet
I like many others will also refrain from commenting here. This is just silly and I don't do silly. Sorry
- Brent Smorgen Bleg
Done and done!
- mark
Today is opposite day right?
- Jesse Newhart
I never knew I was a friendfeeder...
- Mike Nencetti
˙ɟɟnʇs ʎƃoloɥɔʎsd ǝsɹǝʌǝɹ ǝɹǝɥʇ ʇɐɥʇ puɐʇsɹǝpun ʇ,uop ı
- Sharon McPherson
There is no "do not like it" button in FF !
- Antoine Bertier
What ever you say ;
- Martin Liechti
from Nambu
ok i will not
- (jeff)isageek
Make sure you hide his thread from today
- Matthew DeVries
I suck at following directions.
- Laura Norvig
oh man, why not? Now I'm confused!!
- Connie Crosby
but, but...
- Rick Cogley
A new design for FriendFeed at http://beta.friendfeed.com/ - http://blog.friendfeed.com/2009...
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Great job!
- Robert Scoble
Nice job friendfeed!
- Kevin Mohr
Awesome work!
- Aaron Draczynski
Indeed, very good job. Gives me some ideas on Nambu integration.
- Gersham Meharg
realtime by default now eh? nice
- Karl Rosaen
I hate it. I love it! I haven't even scrolled down to the bottom yet. Hold on.......ok, it's good. :-)
- Jeff Eddings
Cheers Bret & team - it's feeling pretty good so far (which includes initial gut reaction)
- Christopher Galtenberg
Nice job. I can at the very least say it is a big improvement aesthetically. I haven't finished checking everything out yet, but so far so good.
- Rolf Schewe
why there is no Re-share function?
- Tony
I miss the ability to have a Firefox sidebar setup that just had my list of items scrolling past and nothing else along the side like this view: http://friendfeed.com/realtim...
- Justin Yost
Reshare will be back. Just an artifact of beta-testing, didn't make it in for this morning
- Bret Taylor
Definitely not looking for attention here, but I just don't like it.
- Nick
This real time integrated updates is pretty kick butt. Especially for comments.
- Gersham Meharg
don't like the grey background
- Moses
Any new comment can not move up this item?
- Tony
Our settings vary to prevent things shuffling around excessively. We bubble up when someone you are subscribed to comments.
- Bret Taylor
I like the updating comments, but when it shifts what I'm reading out of the frame it's a little distracting. Overall, great work!
- Derek Coatney
also wish i can add links/pics/embed in the "comments"...for example, i'd like to include an image of my email from http://www.emailcover.com, but it only shows up as a link
- brainno722 (Peter)
thanks, it looks awesome!
- Dani Martínez
Congratulations guys on a job well done!
- Thomas Hawk
Love it, but needs a floating Pause button.
- Barak B
+1 Barak
- Kenton
Barak, very good idea
- Kol Tregaskes
The filter is great! But any filter can not output to friends.
- Tony
+1 Barak
- Tony
what filter?
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
adding a filter sucks, things like has comments from should ajax populate :(
- Stuart Evans
from twhirl
you can create filters when you click "filter"
- Tony
The anticipation was high, but so was delivery! Great job FF team.
- Micah Wittman
Awesome!
- Iván Abrego
Like it! Facebook import (notes & link, not status) seems broken though...
- Alex Lomas
A keyboard shortcut for Pause, maybe?
- Micah Wittman
Thanks, Alex, we will look into it,
- Bret Taylor
Can you open an existing conversation in a new window?
- Barak B
1st look is good, like the real time...didn't make it to the bottom the first few minutes. Also the comment box drops down as I am commenting now...message got off screen ;)
- Sanne Buurma
please add keyboard shortcut for play/pause feed
- Ouriel Ohayon
Please, remove the gray background. Any color, but not gray.
- bnoise
Agree with Andy, dislike the fugly grey
- Sally Church
Barak: click on the timestamp to open a conversation in a new window.
- Kevin Mohr
Barack B : you can click the time and select open in new window.
- Simon Wicks
Just bring back the filters to the main feed. Other than that, it looks awesome :D
- Gerardo Curiel
Agreed, the grey isn't that great.
- Gersham Meharg
refresh the page would move up the item which have newest comment?
- Tony
sad grey: why don't you let everyone choose the colour of the background?
- Davide Leonelli
looks awful for me - http://www.flickr.com/photos... - do not like the gray or the wasted space
- Nick
Grey or not, rather think about what the beta has to offer in functionality
- Sanne Buurma
Please, bring back service icons near each post — it's very hard to scan information flow without them. Also hope you'll do something with new subscription module — it's unuseful while managing a lot of imaginary friends.
- Juras Vetrau
Nice. Good job guys.
- Peter Kruit
The colouring needs looking at for sure. Unless, of course, you are going to redesign the logo? ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
dislike the grey, sorry
- Manuela
Agree on colouring - but hey its a beta. Thanks Bret.
- Roberto Bonini
But Bret, picking a nice background colour is basically free (although I guess you should really be testing 41 variations :-))
- Alex Gawley
perhaps highlighting your own comments in the flood of comments (easier to scan/find)?
- brainno722 (Peter)
agree, gray background is bothersome.
- AJ Kohn
Wait, is the frequent shifting up and down of items I'm reading (i.e. the items in view) really supposed to work out well? I suppose you guys tried it for a while and you just got used to it?
- j1m
Peter, yep but thankfully the Cleaner FriendFeed GM script still works in Chrome and FFox, which does this for you.
- Kol Tregaskes
Don't like: broke my Blocks list, Block not available from Hover Menu
- Will Higgins™
Why Will Higgins have a superscript of "TM"? how typed in?
- Tony
it keeps the bad low-contrast grey on white text for comments that deters me from reading it. You made the main text bigger, now make the comment text black.
- Kevin Marks
Fantastic job guys !
- David Berrebi
can't see source of posts and comments
- Moses
Will: block will be back, just missing today, but it is not something we are removing (just something we didn't get in for this morning)
- Bret Taylor
I think you guys should really embrace the idea of hashtags. Let us add them to other people's posts, having various services auto-tag imported items, let us search on them using filters. Tagging is one great way for us to get a handle on the volume of information here.
- Kevin Kuphal
What's with the orange and the green on the side? Its a bit ugly if you ask me. Also, is there a way to change this, as well as make the beta permanent? (I like living on the cutting edge).
- darnell
I too like the orange and green. It's the blue I'm not sure about. :-)
- Daniel Dulitz
I like the FF blue
- nouhad
Yeah, but it clashes with the logo. Either Friendfeed needs to change their logo, or get rid of the colors. Or (even better) allow users to change the colors. :-)
- darnell
Looks horrible to me, I think we should have a customizable interface more like iGoogle, I like the idea though, just more customization, like sidebar customization, friend lists, realtime widget, chat widget, all movable and arrangeable, there sure is enough space etc...
- Kyle Weller
I'm with Kyle and Darnell - I like being able to customize my GMail colours, and having that feature on FF would be cool
- nouhad
Sorry, I don't like it. Real-time makes me nauseous still and the design is terrible.
- Lindsey is Fierce!
Yes, bring back service icons, somewhere. Also, the bigger font in entries doesn't look good.
- bnoise
Ignoring 71 previous comments... I really like the new design! One request: allow the pause button to follow my cursor as a scroll down the page!
- Chris Messina
+1 Chris Messina. That would be an awesome feature.
- Beau Liening
Add a floating "COMMENT" feature at the bottom of each thread, so I don't have to scroll up to click "comment"... this is a weird experience in new beta UI
- Susan Beebe
@Ari: This is why I really think tagging is what they need to focus on. If we could each add #ffbeta or something to our own posts as well as others, you get the trending and other features that twitter already has. Combine this with filters and you really get some killer information management features.
- Kevin Kuphal
I really like having one UI instead of different modes (normal, realtime, miniwindow), but to support the old "mini window" experience, perhaps allow the right hand side bar with filters and subscriptions to be collapsible?
- Karl Rosaen
@Karl: API is key here. Twitter isn't massively popular because their website rocks. Twitter is massively popular because there's a massive layer of applications built on top of it. Build that for FF and you have the same potential growth
- Kevin Kuphal
I wish it could use more of the screen real estate of my monitor, given my normal window size, it has large amounts of unused space on either size of the content due to the fixed layout. Maybe a multi-column mode?
- Ray Cromwell
Nice job! but, where are my rooms??
- Krishnamoorthy
@Krishnamoorthy rooms I believe have changed to feeds beta.friendfeed.com/[room_name]
- Lou Paglia
the new design works better for me. I am sure there will be glitches, but so far so good.
- Sharon Hurley Hall
Is there a way to change my prefs over to to the beta so I don't have to keep entering beta.friendfeed...?
- Ryan Stanley
UI suggestion: there's a link to expand all comments, there should be one to collapse them as wel.
- Ryan Stanley
UI suggestion: after expanding comments you scroll all the way to the bottom reading the thread, then you have scroll all the way back up to click the Comment link. Why not have it at the bottom of the thread too.
- Ryan Stanley
Feature suggestion: FF needs a built-in way of referring to people publicly, just like Twitter's @. Perhaps use the same convention. But there needs to be a way people to address each other in public threads, so a user can make sure to be informed when people are talking or referring to them.
- Ryan Stanley
going to read through faq - roadmap of what made beta & what's going away would be nice - big concern for me is the lose of ability to expand lists to see individual participants - i find that one of ff's strongest features - that and block but i see from earlier in this thread that its will make it in later in beta (whew)...
- mike "glemak" dunn
Um, Twitter much?
- Christiana
A Pause button that follows you on page scroll could be more distracting than it's worth. But how about something like it appears upon a white space mousedown/mouseup event.
- Micah Wittman
You guys should use this userstyle: http://beta.friendfeed.com/ajbatac...
- Kyle Weller
Curious about how the new design will affect the iPhone version of the site...?
- Chris Messina
welcome qwerty. :o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
Hmm, I tried to read this thread, but I never got to the bottom, because the unexpected shifts of the text just became too much after a while. Fundamentally, if the page keeps shifting up and down unexpectedly, it's hard to see how anyone's ever going to read it -- hence the many requests for a floating pause button, which would help. You could also imagine pause on hover. Being able to read down the page without having the text disappear seems to me like the #1 use case of ff.
- j1m
I like it.
- Willem (@wim66) ☠
Of course, it's not really like you want Pause -- the real-time updates are great when they're below wherever the eyes are :-)
- j1m
I love the new UI! I'm a big fan. It feels a lot cleaner and more organized. The real-timeness doesn't bother me. It seems pretty clever about when and when not to refresh. Great job, guys!!! : )
- Jess Lee
Bret - Great job! There are certainly things to clean up before this interface goes to the main page. Rooms should REALLY be on the subscribed list on the right hand column. I would LOVE to be able to put Blank Lines in comments. I don't care if they count for a whole lines worth of characters (as opposed to a more common one character for the cr/lf) Blank lines make comments more legible and clear than just a runtogether paragraph.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
I don't like how the interface STILL loses my place if I subscribe to someone while posting a comment (or even reading it!) I should be able to subscribe to YOU while I read YOU and not lose my page place. The Page should need to be refreshed to reset everyone because of the new subscription.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
I don't know about the queued items, I like the real time feed, having selectable speeds instead of "over-caffination required mode" would be good. Most discussions this is irrelevant, but the discussion on tis new beta this morning (i.e. on scoble's feed) showed how insane that can be.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
The real-time-only feed in the beta is causing Safari 4b on my MacBook use up a lot of CPU cycles, hence depleting the battery faster. I'm sure FF3 will too. Please consider an "ECO Mode" similar to the current standard mode, which only refreshes once every few minutes, for those running their machines on battery power. Without such an eco-mode, and with the rapid-fire pace of live updates, I fear that I won't be using FFeed much at all. Certainly not leaving that tab open for hours on end like I used to.
- Siddharth Deb
I don't know if I've done something, or you guys did, but when I look here, I only have a few services setup in the account, when I go to the old interface I have a LOT more -I'm not certain that everything is feeding through? (i.e. I have Digg and Disqus set up, I see the correct list of icons on the old interface, but on the beta "settings" popup, No Dice. Even if this is irrelevant to the actual data flow, please fix this to make me sleep well at night. ;)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
One more thing - Could we have a character counter in the comments? It would be REALLY nice, if my account is setup to post this comment to my twitter account, and it's going to post the link to this discussion, please Add the number of characters in the link (plus a space) to the total character count. That way I won't be truncating the comment and/or the URL when it gets to twitter.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Another thing: I used to be able to click the "More" next to a single discussion, and "Link to this discussion" Where is that? If this is an outmoded way of thinking please let me know. Otherwise, um...can we have that feature back?
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Rob: the timestamp ("9 hours ago") is the permalink
- Benjamin Golub
Benjamin: You rock! Thanks!
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
do you need a techno dunce to help the average joe make sense of this?? haha...i love it...
- Lauren Shanahan
Very twitter like. But better due to nice conversational.
- xiawinter
I actually kinda like the grey... though it does look like it's an opportunity to let companies brand the background in some way.
- Frankie Warren
For cc to Twitter functionality, can the number of characters be a count-down instead of a count-up?
- Winston Teo
I'd like to second the notion that there should be a way to address an individual within a thread...the agreed upon "Rob:" works great, but maybe could be clickable so that there's no confusion as to which Rob or which Scoble you're talking to ;) (i.e. maybe a CTRL-Click or something on the person's name after their comment to start a new comment with their name at the beginning? )
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
The grey background looks kinda dullish, and it looks like someone ran out of ideas for colours..
- Winston Teo
IMO avatars occupy way too much real estate now, I liked the smaller ones better.
- ǝuǝƃnǝ
thsi is nothing on the new design, but after being on here all night with no attention to a down twitter, I am reminded of this: It would be nice if I could set the post to twitter for comments and likes a) permanent b) off or C) on a per comment/like basis -twitter users say this "yeah, when ppl I follow flood me with FF spam ... I usually unfollow ... even block if it irritates me enough." And I would like to be able to be easily selective of what gets put through, and it would get more GOOD attn for FF
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
please, for the love of god, move the "comment" link to the BOTTOM of the list of comments. seriously, am I the only one who can't believe this hasn't been fixed for so long?
- Dossy Shiobara
I like it
- Cristian
Great stuff! :-) FriendFeed does it better than Facebook. Please go real-time all the way for subscription requests and confirmatoions too.
- Nenad Nikolic
from twhirl
++ Nenad Nikolic
- Darren Heydon
I dont like nofollows on friendfeed and links are moved to urls very bad :(
- Turkey banned Bloggum :(
I like quick stats on user feed on top right of screen.
- Turkey banned Bloggum :(
Love the new friendfeed!
- Chris Martin
from Nambu
It's not bad, but I prefer the smoothness of the old one to the lines and edges in this new one.
- scott willeke
I love the new letter-counting post widget in the beta though.
- scott willeke
at first glance, find it much more readable than the old one. Pity there still isn't "my items that were liked or commented by others"
- Stephanie Booth
from twhirl
Bret: all the videos are now up at http://scobleizer.blip.tv -- thanks for inviting me and for all you do.
- Robert Scoble
I like this beta
- Goofy2
Stephanie: comments:1 likes:1 from:sbooth
- Justin Long
stephanie & justin - that is in the catch all http://beta.friendfeed.com/filter... - i went and liked/commented on something from each of you that had no other activity - you should both see that bubble up in /discussions...
- mike "glemak" dunn
LOVE THE NEW BETA ! the new filter is so powerful, more powerful if you could add "language parameter"!!
- foxmachia {山石}
still waiting for direct-to-room links on the right column, is it planned? (with lastupdated timestamps if possible)
- Kemal Hadimli
Nice.
- Thomas Chai
Payment Gateways? Best Options ? - Lets Discuss.
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1. PaySignet ?
- Nishant
2. BillDesk ?
- Nishant
3. http://eazy2pay.com/ ?
- Nishant
4. http://ccavenue.com/ ?
- Nishant
Um. Zuora? Authorize.net? Braintree Payment Solutions?
- Mark Bao
authorize.net?
- TrafficBug
costco actually has an agreement with someone as well if you are a member. I will take a look to see what I can find.
- Rob Diana
for the costco service take a look at http://www.elavon.com/acquiri.... Costco also has a bunch of affordable business services.
- Rob Diana
http://www.liqpay.com - you can accept credit cards without a risk of chargebacks
- Arthur Welf
I have 15 videos I'm unleashing to the world. Two weeks of work uncorked! I will link to them all from this link:
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Here's the videos/companies I'm uploading. As I upload them and get them live I'll add links:
- Robert Scoble
http://www.fastcompany.tv/video... Small Worlds. Cool browser-based almost 3D environment sort of like Second Life, except no plugin required.
- Robert Scoble
http://www.fastcompany.tv/video... 0XDA. A new startup in Seattle taking shape.
- Robert Scoble
http://www.fastcompany.tv/video... Bryan Bell (designer who works at Tapulous, but tells story of XML icon that he designed).
- Robert Scoble
Kommonwealth (a startup building a CSS designer in Vancouver).
- Robert Scoble
Thinkspace. A green place to start a startup in Seattle.
- Robert Scoble
Verisign. New way to logon to internet sites securely.
- Robert Scoble
http://www.fastcompany.tv/video... IBM's James Kaufman (talking about medical research).
- Robert Scoble
IBM's James Kaufman (talking about martial arts research -- world's fastest punch and how they measured it).
- Robert Scoble
http://www.fastcompany.tv/video... IBM's Dharmendar Modha, who is working with a ton of freaking smart people to come up with a new kind of computer brain.
- Robert Scoble
IBM's Stewart Parkin, who is running a research lab to find new kinds of computer memory.
- Robert Scoble
Likaholix. A new startup that Louis Gray will "like." Started by two smart engineers who left Google to build their dream. (this won't be up until sometime tomorrow).
- Robert Scoble
http://www.fastcompany.tv/video... Symantec, a product release of its new Norton 360 security suite.
- Robert Scoble
http://www.fastcompany.tv/video... Cyberlink's PowerDVD
- Robert Scoble
Liam Casey, who runs PCH in China, talking about supply chains and how your favorite gadgets are made.
- Robert Scoble
Whew!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Lots of work to do tonight. See ya later, first video will be up at about 11 p.m. then a torrent should follow.
- Robert Scoble
Very interesting! I am an experienced purchaser and member of a supply chain association in Sweden, so I have to check out this video!
- Martin Lindeskog
Still got a few more to get up, but I'm getting there. Whew!
- Robert Scoble
I really want to see the new Symantec security video. Thanks for showing.
- Josue Fontanez
Just tried Small Worlds. "Server is unavailable. Please try again Later"
- Barak B
Josue: I'm trying to get the Symantec one up. Soon, soon.
- Robert Scoble
SmallWorlds is game-oriented. Second Life may be confusing and hard to use, but it has no limitations on what you can build within it. Actually, there are more differences than similarities between SmallWorlds and Second Life.
- Opensource Obscure
Example of Twitter titles vs Blog post titles (people tend to put better content in their tweets)
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Some people do :)
- Bwana ☠
maybe this is due to the shortness imposed by tweeter, people have to say meaningful and precise thing in a short stream, this is why brevity and idea encapsulation work on twitter.
- abdellah
But in this case he said more on twitter than in the blog post title.
- Paul Buchheit
yes, but in the twitter message there is the need to point to the article, so this is why the headline have to be significant catchy and strong, in the blog the author think that he get his audience then the headline is less powerful.
- abdellah
Actually, I think it's just because Twitter encourages a more conversational tone, which is generally better than the usual title/subject "tone".
- Paul Buchheit
Limitation encourages more creativity
- John Samuel
better then !! resume the stuff, better from what point of view? it is better from the point that the twitter one is more appealing and this is the main job to do. in the blog post the headline have just to push people to read more, a better test would be to inverse I mean to post the blog headline as a tweet and the tweet as blog post headline :) and I agree limitation encourage creativity.
- abdellah
sounds like people need to think more about what their blog titles are. I've tried over the past six months specifically to think about how my blog title will be shared alone other places.
- Thomas Hawk
I agree, it is must likely that people in twitter will click the Link, it is more personal than choosing your post title. It would be a good Idea to check the titles on the post vs the tweets that led to them to see the whole picture. 10x
- Iaax Page
Sounds like he said it all in the tweet ?- makes you wonder why there was a blog posting at all. Neither the tweet nor the blog post title makes me want to read on so if the goal is to encourage reading the blog post I think both fail.
- Brian Sullivan
Agree with Brian...
- Saurabh Arora
I stopped pushing my blog feed to Twitter and FF. I think it is more personal (and people are more apt to click) if I do the linking by hand with some context around it. However, I don't think I'd do what Matt did and add the 'short summary' bit.
- Scott Kingery
Before syndication, blog post titles were ornamental. Mine are often a convoluted pun that only makes sense after you've read the entry (like Diesel Sweeties does, only not as funny). I'm always horrified to see FF posting the title without any content, because they were never intended to stand on their own. (It's probably time to acknowledge the growing contexts and start writing more independent titles.)
- Seth
"I'm always horrified to see FF posting the title without any content" A good blog post title absolutely should work on its own, without any further context... what Nielsen and others call microcontent http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki... (edited the article to include Nielsen's definition). Whether it should give away everything is another question. If you're interested in Matt Cutts' writings in general, his book review title is pretty self-explanatory and might get you interested to click-through by
- Philipp Lenssen
Best Practice may be to have nice summaries in your blog feed. Matt's feed, for example, has limited-length excerpts from the post. If he added it as a Generic post with the proper checkbox checked that summary would appear as the first comment. Not ideal, but better than just the title...
- Kevin Fox
Kevin - any idea whether the 'Excerpt' box on wordpress would serve this function? I never put anything in there.
- Hutch Carpenter
You could also implement MediaRSS on your feed for an even bigger punch. Example: http://friendfeed.com/e...
- Mark Trapp
I use MediaRSS and summaries in our Antarctica feed: http://friendfeed.com/kfury... I don't know if WordPress's 'Excerpt' functionality matches up with this, but I think so. I'm about to start using WP full time for my personal blog, so I'll definitely be checking it out.
- Kevin Fox
Cool - I'll try adding an Excerpt to my next post, see what happens.
- Hutch Carpenter
I use Drupal, but from observation of people on FriendFeed using WordPress, I believe you might need a plugin for Media RSS support.
- Mark Trapp
Yeah Mark, and it's spotty and undependable...
- anna sauce
I think it's fair to say that a title should stand on its own as a title, but it's not reasonable to expect titles to be summaries. Feed items can explicitly contain a summary. If one is provided, great! If not, why not show a snippet of the content?
- Seth
Facebook invited me to a press conference in the morning. I wonder what it will show me? Any guesses?
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Perhaps the new Facebook Pages functionality. (Speculated: Facebook Pages refresh like Facebook Profile refresh with tabs, and stuff.)
- Mark Bao
Something 'Poke' related?
- Johnny Worthington
Buying Friendfeed or Twitter, maybe new features on FB?!
- Martin Lindeskog
Maybe their new terms of service! :-)
- Rachel Levy
Their new twitter "like" service. Or, something to do with their CNN/Facebook video service.
- Michael Fidler
In light of their last TOS debacle : Cybermen?
- Mo Kargas
I hope it's more than Pages, for your sake.
- LogEx
In a devilish plot for the ages, Facebook have lured Alex away so they can have their own 'Scoble'... Cause you know... you don't have a successful social network until you have a Scoble :)
- Johnny Worthington
Probably the new Pages and maybe the new Facbook Mobile improvement.
- Nakeva Corothers
Social commenting system for other sites?
- Erik Britt-Webb
New Pages redesign. see http://bit.ly/gicKl
- Kevin Foreman
new Terms of Service :P
- Jaanus Kase
they found a way to make real money?
- Steven Hodson
Oooh, the new Facebook Pages design?? I'm predicting this is finally where FB will start to generate revenue... tied to ads of course. But its the biz owners among us that will pay $$ for results.
- Mari Smith
Kindle for iPhone. Well played Amazon. - http://venturebeat.com/2009...
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They're not missing a beat...
- Mike Nayyar
YES!! This'll let me read my books when I'm away from my Kindle! SWEET
- Internet's Tad
Bah Humbug - not available (yet at any rate) on Canadian store
- David HC Soul
yeah US only for now David (sucks)
- MG Siegler
The Cosmic Machine - EventBox - http://thecosmicmachine.com/
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its called Ping.Fm! http://ping.fm/dashboard/
- TheHenry
It's totally different to Ping.fm. It's not another multiple-service updater. It allow you to follow many social services from a desktop app.
- Leandro Ardissone ⍨
ping.fm has a desktop app if you have an Im client
- TheHenry
an im client is a desktop app.. ping.im offers a bot to use with your IM :)
- Leandro Ardissone ⍨
from IM
EventBox: One-Window Social Networking (Review and Giveaway) from Smoking Apples. http://is.gd/7Wwx
- Jonathan Kong
Anyone interested in FriendFeed support in this app? http://is.gd/aBpG
- Devon Campbell
Well a ping.fm for mac's
- Victor
This app is really quite nice
- Jason Wehmhoener
bump due to duplicate
- Zee.
So people pay for beta apps now? WTF?
- Voyagerfan5761
from fftogo
@Voyagerfan5761 It's an investment. The assumption is that the app will someday come out of beta. Then you will have a copy for less than people who paid after the beta. It's not much different than buying a stock hoping it will go up.
- Devon Campbell
bump due to duplicate
- Zee.
I really like this app, over two months later I still use it daily.
- Jason Wehmhoener
GrabUp - Home - http://grabup.com/
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Sending screen grabs to your friends has always been an unnecessarily slow and arduous task. Taking the screen shot, opening a browser, loading up an image host, uploading the image then copying and pasting the link... grabup makes that entire process instant.
- Pablo Corral
from Bookmarklet
Submitted final iteration for review so I cracked a Pinot!
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2007 Pinor Noir from La Crema - Sonoma Coast. Santa, Rosa, CA.
- Brian Daniel Eisenberg
from email
7 Steps To Build A Startup From Scratch With No Money - http://www.youngentrepreneur.com/blog...
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"I recently did an interview about how to build a business up from scratch with little or no money and I used my own story as an example. Here are the steps that I took. This process helped me build my business with $0 in startup capital. Hopefully you can learn from my experience and make it even better."
- Hayk H.
from Bookmarklet
Destroy Today / DestroyTwitter 1.0.0 Beta release (twhirl/tweetdeck killa) - http://www.destroytoday.com/...
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دوان دوان برای تست
- Nimaa
WTF is this and what happens when I give it my password
- Tyler (Chacha)
it's an air twitter client and it's pretty damn awesome.
- Cee Bee
why should I use this over tweetdeck?
- Susan Beebe
'cause it's compact and FULL of features
- Cee Bee
Cee Bee - what features? I can't find anything new...and it lacks many of what tweetdeck has.
- Zee.
i'm using http://www.tweetdeck.com/beta/
- Nimaa
Is it just me or are more people using (and more apps allowing the use of) Twitter in place of IM?
- Akiva Moskovitz
no ability to group contacts from what i can tell, but the ui is pretty smooth and allows one to get all kinds of view/preferences with ease. i prefer a smaller window though it should probably be re-sizeable
- Cee Bee
akiva, i was thinking about that just yesterday -- how IM seems to be going the route of the 8-track barry gibb discography
- Cee Bee
Just said WTF because it said Destroy Twitter.. thought it was going to spam the heck out of me
- Tyler (Chacha)
Very Nice App. I wish it was Resizable though.
- Tyler (Chacha)
Cee Bee, I wouldn't even have an IM client installed if it weren't for two friends, both across the country, with whom I talk regularly. But there's no chance in hell I'd get either of them into another instant communication medium, unfortunately, so I'm stuck.
- Akiva Moskovitz
I personally find Twitter unusable as an IM platform. It's too much like a disorganized firehose. I find the @reply too cumbersome to actually use to have conversations with people.
- matthew john ernisse
matthew, that's why apps like this are necessary. They can filter, present conversations as threads, alert you to new DMs and @replies, and so forth.
- Akiva Moskovitz
@akiva I think it's unlikely then that Twitter will supplant IM until it is able to provide IM-style functionality natively. I don't think the mainstream audience is going to tolerate having to find an app to tack the functionality on.
- matthew john ernisse
Oh, I wasn't talking mainstream replacement. I'm just talking about the tech savvy. Twitter's too confusing for Ma & Pa MSN Messenger user, even with flashy little apps like this one.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Tried out their DestroyFlickr app and I liked it. From the site: " I'm Jonnie Hallman. Most of my days are spent destroying today. To destroy today is to make the most of the day—destruction as a form of creation. This is my carpe diem. "
- vijay
I like this a lot, suits my minimalistic style.
- Nick
I guess it depends on what kind of tech savvy user you're talking about. I follow people just for the influx of trivia and random links mostly. I don't use apps with twitter, and have like 3 people I follow set to send SMS to my phone. Since the track function has been broken it's been even less useful since now @replies aren't SMS'd to me.
- matthew john ernisse
matthew, it's just a matter of how you choose to use Twitter. I'm the opposite of you: I tend not to follow people who just post an endless stream of links or who provide one-way conversation. I follow people who I find interesting and might chat back and forth with sometimes. So, it'd be more a viable idea for me than for you.
- Akiva Moskovitz
As has been discussed many times before, Twitter is many things to many people, and there is no 'right' usage or even standard usage. I use Twitter to converse with other local people, I auto-tweet my new blog posts (about the only auto thing I do really), and I often click on links posted I think might be interesting. Like Akiva said above, I think 'interesting' is the key word. I would add informative too perhaps, but even that usually needs to be of interest too!
- Ian May
nod, I think it'd be more likely to attract conversational usage from me if the website offered a better interface for it. I use many different computers and devices throughout the day that an app isn't really viable for me, so I tend to use it in the way the website allows. Much like how I'm more apt to participate in discussions here because of the ease of doing so :)
- matthew john ernisse
matthew, yep, conversations are definitely better in FriendFeed regardless of how apps try to coax it out of the Twitter API. But, back on the subject of this post: I tried this app and didn't like it. If I were to try to integrate Twitter into my daily life more, this is not the app I would use to do it.
- Akiva Moskovitz
what's with the name?
- Paul Whitaker
No you should use #feedalizr to integrate it all into your daily life www.feedalizr.com
- Michael
bump due to duplicate
- Zee.
bump due to duplicate
- Zee.
So, what's the verdict? Better or worse that. Tweetdeck?
- Christian Anderson
Looks like a good basic client. Tweetdeck is better, IMHO.
- Nate Pilling
a loverly and simple app.i use it all the time
- Zafarali
another 'killer' app...
- Harry Mahardhika
Congratulations, Paul & Jessica!! Welcome to the world, George!
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Born at 04:44 on Saturday, 1/24. 8lbs. 10oz.
- April Buchheit
That's a big baby!
- Paul Buchheit
Yeah! That's almost twice Thomas's birth weight and 7lbs. more than Camilla's.
- April Buchheit
Congrats!
- Daniel Ha
Congratulations, Jessica and Paul! Its a great, fun ride :)
- Toby DiPasquale
Yay! Congrats!
- Akshay Dodeja
Congratulations!
- Gabor Cselle
Congrats!!
- Ashwin Bharambe
Congrats!!
- Danish Khan
Congratulations!
- Paul Boehm
Congrats!
- Robby Walker
There's No Way Twitter Is Worth $250 Million Today - http://www.louisgray.com/live...
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dude u need to lay off the gerber peaches :) good concept tho i like it - next time let me do the "nay" and you do the "yay" lol
- Allen Stern
*yawn* -- deeply appreciative of your work louis; however, it's all make believe and always has been make believe; so as i blustered earlier http://tr.im/cok9 it's the PROCESS that is broken. the entire silicon valley vc community is one big Social Network Poster Child for Group Think Cronyism. i doubt Jeffrey Skilling used the words "get it" vs "don't get it" more than the Sand Hill lot. #broken #fail
- michael silverton
Allen, we can do point/counterpoint any time. But I bet you end up being the "counter" more than I do.
- Louis Gray
Okay. So you did point counterpoint. But what you said at the end of your first post, "but at the end of the day, I would be investing", gives away which is your real post and which is your post playing devil's advocate.
- Gregg H.
im always the counter, never the countee
- Allen Stern
That said, Gregg, I said in the first that I would ask many questions, and in the second that one should exercise extreme caution. Of course, it'd be wonderful in the first place to have enough cash to be courted.
- Louis Gray
Clever, LG!
- Mona Nomura
Two drafts? Louis, you know we love you but I think you've done a Scoble overdose or something .... Can't wait to see how this plays out if you leave them both up. (Pretty weird stuff coming from you?!).
- Charlie Anzman
Don't you get it folks? This is what happens to people who have twins ;~)
- Ed Shahzade /NextInstinct
Louis, haven't had time yet, but if it says what I think, remember; they're not investing for 'today'.
- Ed Shahzade /NextInstinct
Charlie, both posts are staying up. There is a definite case to be made for both sides. I want Twitter, FriendFeed and others to succeed, and I am always biased and bullish in favor of the tech sector. That said, I think now is a hard time for anybody to raise money and get strong value.
- Louis Gray
And Ed... the twins are a major reason why I've been "quiet" this weekend. Had them practically all day yesterday and most of today. (Including now) I had a break from 6-7 so ... back to back.
- Louis Gray
Louis, you can ask the questions. But Twitter won't have any good answers. And to all those wondering about Twitter's super secret plan for a business model. Sorry to kill the mystery, but there is no secret plan. It's advertising, gobs and gobs of advertising, with a healthy dose of data mining sold to marketers.
- Gregg H.
I can understand Louis. I often had my 1st 2 like that when they were infant and 2. Different needs, but non stop, and not sleepers. What I'd give to go back for 1 day...
- Ed Shahzade /NextInstinct
Still think you should have given Matthew and Sarah the byline for the second piece ... By the way http://friendfeed.com/e... Good week my friend ....
- Charlie Anzman
I'd counter that. There's no way it's NOT worth $250mm
- Bob Walsh
in many respects, twitter is perhaps akin to an application-layer arpanet: it's Too Useful and Promising to Die. in addition to w/e other sugary glaze attributed to it, it's also become a public utility, a substrate for extended, augmented social cognition. there are all kinds of vitally positive & powerful human and technological advances that the market would gleefully earmark for infanticide. i understand the anomie & existential angst of the industrial capitalist vc's; i just have no compassion for it.
- michael silverton
Bob, if that's your take, then this approach is more your style. http://www.louisgray.com/live...
- Louis Gray
@Greggish: Inside info there? If that's the case ... Twitter is going nowhere fast. SocNet CPMs are abysmal, major CPGs (aka Clorox) don't want to purchase in the space and most CMOs are sick of Web 2.0 (and yes, that matters since they have the purse strings.) If I were a potential investor I'd tell Twitter to launch the alpha/beta version of ads so I could see the trajectory. That Twitter doesn't do this ... speaks volumes IMO.
- AJ Kohn
@louisgray can't go wrong here - and I agree that Twitter is more useful than Google on breaking news.
- Mike Reynolds
I'm reminded of Robert's similar no/yes posts on FriendFeed going mainstream: http://bit.ly/1457K (won't) and http://bit.ly/102mM (will).
- Hutch Carpenter
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If you're a fan of the office and saw last night's episode, you'll be all over this app. We created it as a simple promotional tool for ramamia.com. You can see our marketing/PR thinking behind the app here too: http://blog.ramamia.com/2009...
- jason l baptiste
bow wow
- sofarsoShawn
Internet Explorer 8 is 6,000x better than IE6, but it still bugs me. Google Chrome is the future. Here's why:
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1. Google Chrome is way faster.
- Robert Scoble
2. Google Chrome is a rethink. IE8 is a bug fix.
- Robert Scoble
3. Google Chrome has one box. IE 8 has two.
- Robert Scoble
Google Chrome is very light weight (including the UI)
- Vaibhav
4. Google Chrome works better with Google Reader and other AJAX sites.
- Robert Scoble
5. IE8 has too many menus and icons. Gives a real cluttered feel.
- Robert Scoble
IE's been a glorified bug fix since MS relabeled it from Mosaic, Robert - no secret there. :) I'm loving Chrome.
- teleken
WebKit is a really good rendering engine. I've always secretly wished IE8 would use WebKit as their rendering engine and scrap IE rendering, and somehow incorporate ActiveX and all of the IE features into it, since WebKit is open-source, not tied to a specific competitor (as opposed to Gecko and Firefox) and is fast and stable. – Have to agree about Google Chrome as well. It's a great browser. As much as I love Safari, I wish Chrome would come to Mac sooner :)
- Mark Bao
6. Google Chrome's search integration is magic. Start typing something and it figures out what you want. IE8 waits for you to finish, then brings up a boring web page.
- Robert Scoble
Any others?
- Robert Scoble
When it finally works on a Mac, perhaps I'll believe you ;)
- Jeff
If it didn't bug someone it wouldn't still be Internet Explorer.
- Josh Sharp
Looks like WebKit is the future, all mobile browsers have started using it.
- Vaibhav
Google Chrome and FLASH don't get along!
- paul mooney
Now I just wish Chrome worked better with Flash, or Flash worked better with Chrome.
- Dennis Jackson
Google Chrome is focused on internet. IE seems to mix to much other junk in
- Mike Scott
By the way, I wrote this whole item in IE8 running on Windows 7. If you are still going to use IE, please do get IE8. It is much better than previous versions.
- Robert Scoble
Not a big fan of IE or Chrome... I'll stick with FireFox.
- Steven Sanders
Google Chrome is slick...but I still like the simplicity of FireFox.
- Charlie Flowers
I love Google Chrome, I just wish the addon's started rolling out.
- Michael Fidler
Because the browser is a commodity... Connecting (correction - Deep Integration) with Google's cloud based services is the secret sauce.
- Brian Roy
Charlie: simplicity of Firefox? You've gotta be kidding, right? I love Firefox because of its complexity! (Plugins keep me there a lot of the time).
- Robert Scoble
I still need to play with Chrome in order to form an educated opinion. I'm just too hung up on Firefox still. :P
- Korey
Timely thread. I literally installed Google Chrome on my home computer within the last half hour (hey, I'm slow at these things - I'm not trendy). Just poking around a bit now, liking the speed. StumbleUpon support is an issue, but I'm reading up on it and other stuff. Just read Sarah Perez's post on privacy.
- Ontario Emperor
I h ave never been a fan of ActiveX. The fact that several websites still rely on it versus better technologies irks me and I refuse to use them.
- Jason Shultz
from twhirl
hope they add the tabs preview to Windows 7 when you hover over the taskbar chrome icon
- Vaibhav
Paul: Google Chrome gets along fine with Flash here. What are you experiencing?
- Robert Scoble
Yeah, I have to admit, IE8 is a pretty good browser, relatively speaking (relative to IE7 and IE6.) Renders my pages a ton better than previous versions.
- Mark Bao
Flash slows down Chrome for me pretty significantly, sometimes to where it's not even usable. Maybe it's just my computer.
- Dennis Jackson
How is IE6 a basis for comparison to anything anymore? Totally agree about Chrome.
- Bob Starr
loved chrome until I found out it wasn't compatible with my Roboform. I'm lazy and not too security conscious.
- BEX
IE 8 was supposed to be more compliant with standards, but it breaks a lot of websites which work in IE7, FF, Chrome. (Scratching my head)
- Vaibhav
Amen on the 'IE mixing other junk in' thought. I hate typing a hostname into it & it tries to hit a UNC or whatever the heck it's doing...
- Steven Byrnes
Chrome has a whole list of niggling problems and has had since day one -- they just never seem to get fixed. I like the speed and simplicity but Chrome will become the next IE unless Google starts paying attention to detail.
- Brian Sullivan
Chrome lets you create 'desktop applications' that don't get lost in all of those tabs and don't waste space with the address bar!
- Jon Issler
I use Chrome from time to time, but it just feels wrong when I do, I think I'll be sticking with Firefox.
- Randy
I am with Vaibhav on "webkit is the future as well"
- Peter Finn
Val: Privacy is dead. I really don't care.
- Robert Scoble
Chrome's biggest shortcomings right now are password security and the lack of plugins/extensions... Have to give Firefox a nod for having those two nailed!
- Jon Issler
I think Chrome is Google's paid service platform... http://www.johnworthington.me/...
- Johnny Worthington
Google Chrome is like FireFox back when it was Phoenix: Sleek, sexy and satisfying. Beta 2 adds autocomplete, profiles and a Greasemonkey style scripting.
- John Rubier
Chrome has built in Task Manager.... anyone? ..... alright, never mind.
- Vaibhav
@Dennis check your fans. If your on a laptop the fans and/or exhaust may be blocked with dust. that happened to me on my laptop, any flash video slowed my laptop down. realized one day (after reinstalling windows and still having the problem) that my fans had a lot of dust. used compressed air to clean them out, problem solved. happy laptop!
- Jason Shultz
from twhirl
One thing I know I liked about Chrome: The web-comic! http://tiny.cc/9Ck9L
- Korey
I'm amazed at how many flash/chrome issues there are. Ive never had any?
- Mike Scott
Looking forward to chrome coming out for the mac
- Kevin Whalen
I still see that firefox is the future! unless google chrome will be a 100% organic software http://snipr.com/9u3ld
- Mark Guadalupe
I love firefox and plug-ins, but does Chrome need plug-ins? I thought their deal was to run current and next-gen online applications better, which will likely preclude the need for the plug-ins we firefox users can't live without now.
- Bill Garrett
Robert, I really like Chrome too. The universal address/search/history bar is the future of browsing. There are only a small % of sites that do not work with Chrome... usually old school corporations, such as ones that I have to pay bills online at. Grr. Works 99.8% of the time for me otherwise.
- Brian
I just installed the Windows 7 beta. I fired up IE 8 and it didn't correctly render a nonprofit's Web site I administer as a volunteer (www.spauldingcenter.org). IE 8 didn't correctly render some of the CSS. I installed Chrome and Chrome got it right. IE 8 is obviously not yet ready for release.
- Rod Bauer
from twhirl
I love Chrome and it is my default browser now. In fact all my flash problems in Firefox and IE went away in Chrome (video paused many times during playback, audio kept going). They are both memory hoars. Maybe a problem with too much Flash on websites? The lack of plugin support is very troubling.
- Chris Mayer
I'm keen for getting mac version of chrome too, though its going to be interesting to see how they're gonna handle interface
- Mike Scott
from IM
Re: 6. The search bar autofill? Err FF has that too for recently visited sites. If you get an Add-On it'll do the potential sites too.
- Adam
Google Chrome may be nice, but there was an "Epic Fail" on my system when Chrome decided that it was the default browser (out of four browsers) and would not directly allow me to un-check the Default-Browser checkbox. It was quickly removed.
- Robert Miller
I don't care about Internet Explorer any more. I switched to Firefox + Foxmarks, and solved a nagging problem - synchronization of bookmarks across multiple Windows *and* OS X machines - that the 'softies *still* haven't managed to solve, despite wasting a few developer-centuries on Live Mesh.
- Pat Rice
Love Chrome. Use it whenever I can. It does have problems with some sites, and I'm always having problems with flash crashing in it.
- cjmart
Kind of ironic that Chrome and Firefox and both performing much better for me under Windows 7. The beta Chrome release is really sweet.
- Charlie Anzman
@Pat: I use live mesh to sync my bookmarks between machines all the time. Add your favorites folder to mesh and you are good to go. Mesh for mac is available too.
- Chris Johnson
Google Chrome doesn't know what's RSS!!! FAIL
- carrotmadman6
I feel like people are debating the relative merits of tn3270 emulators...
- Brian Roy
I like the speed/lightness of Chrome, however i dont think it will be big anytime soon with anyone other than techies. Doesnt run many addins/plugins etc... Unlikely any enterprise will adopt it either. Its a great reference app.
- Chris Johnson
Chrome certainly is clean and renders fast, but until the experience can be customized via extensions like Firefox, there is no one way I can make it my primary. I just loaded Win. 7 on my laptop and the only thing I ported over from any of my other machines was my FEBE.
- George Rogers
Important point for me is that Chrome opens more of the monitor for the content on the page, not for toolbars that i do not need while browsing a page. no loss of functionality without the toolbar.
- Jeff DiStanlo
I wonder how many people even know what tn3270 is used for :) I know I do all too well.
- Patrick Allmond
+++ on this. FoxMarks is awesome. Just wish FoxMarks had an iPhone browser sync also :(
- Patrick Allmond
Any Flock 2.0 users here? If Chrome comes out for the Mac, I may take a look as well - but Firefox/Flock has been great for me for now.
- Erich Miller
@Robert: Maybe simplicity wasn't the right word..."ease of use" might be a better term. I think that FF's layout is not as radically different from the browsers I grew up with (IE & Netscape), as Chrome seems to be...maybe that's why I find it simpler to use. Having said that, Chrome is by no means complex, just not as intuitive as FF. As you mentioned, the plug-ins add to the ease of use. It seems you can get a FireFox plug-in for anything.
- Charlie Flowers
BTW, have you tried FF's AutoPager plug-in. That thing is amazing! It "automatically loads the next page of a site inline when you reach the end of the current page for infinite scrolling of content"...it's perfect for things like Twitter, Google, and yes it works for FriendFeed too. :D
- Charlie Flowers
I'm using Flock 2.0 on both Mac and Windows. I've uninstalled Chrome -- didn't care for it much since Flock does everything I need it to.
- Victor Solanoy
:hits the Googles to figure out what the Flock you guys are talking about:
- teleken
IE8 (and Firefox) offer a lot of tools to supplement your browsing experience. Chrome just gets out of the way. I'm not sure one or the other is a fundamentally superior approach.
- Toph Tucker
Installed Flock for all of 5 minutes. Sticking with Chrome, thanks.
- teleken
ctrl+t takes forever on IE8, and for what? A blank tab. I like Chrome's approach
- Andrew Smith
Firefox's is simple and extendable. Firefox' strength comes from its pluggability and ease of developing new plugins. Chrome needs to beat that.
- Angsuman Chakraborty
Chrome needs to support Linux before it can even think of replacing Firefox. Chromium port of Chrome on Linux isn't very stable.
- Angsuman Chakraborty
firefox plugins are the new activeX. there's too much functionality i use for me to shift *now*. i *do* like chrome, though.
- moogs
I like moving tabs into new windows, but does crashes alot w/ Flash
- Da
7. If one tab crashes, all the other tabs are unaffected. Let's see ANY other browser do that.
- Nathan Chase
i think i'll stick with firefox. so much more you can do with it..
- Terry O'Fee
Chrome is fast (unlike IE), has a very minimal UI (also unlike IE), and you can move tabs to other windows. I have never been able to get Firefox to open new tabs next to the tab they're opened from, instead of at the far right, plus I don't really care about extensions. Plus, I've never had any issues with Flash. The only problem is that my school email won't work in Chrome (but that's minor). Chrome wins for me.
- imperator3733
from twhirl
Robert - how is the performance of IE8 compared to Chrome and Firefox? Personally, I'd be using Chrome if I had my add-ons and greasemonkey scripts. I love Chrome's mult-tasking / memory management - very nice
- Susan Beebe
@Imperator, Firefox's UI can be slimmed down, and you can fix the tab issue with Tab Mix Plus. Also, Firefox 3.1 is faster than Chrome.
- Tanath
how bout: Chrome is CSS compliant? IE8 isn't, I know this by experience
- Duncan Riley
@Nathan -- as far as I know, IE8 separated tabs into different processes first....
- Toph Tucker
I think FriendFeed should put a comment button at the bottom of the comments... that said, Opera is the fastest, but it has a few shortcomings. I use FireFox or Chrome depending on what PC I'm at. Some sites only work in IE.
- Gus
Google Chrome uses your screen real estate more efficiently
- Aad 't Hart
Chrome focuses on the web and not on the browser and that's what a browser's supposed to do.
- Rohit
May be when there are basic extensions available for Chrome then it will be fair to compare with Firefox. For now, I don't see Chrome that useful, even though it's clean, a bit faster and provides more screen space. After a couple of days of using Chrome, I switched to Firefox as I felt less productive without the powerful extensions in Firefox.
- Amar Shah
When Chrome has an extension like Better GReader, TabMixPlus, and NoScript, then I'll switch, but FF has everything I need with the extensions. NoScript is about the ONLY addon I absolutely need to use for security of my computer.
- Ⓐ ☠ slayerboy ☠ Ⓐ
You can install extensions on the Chromium Builds! Go for it!
- Will Higgins™
love chrome as much as the next guy, but it does crash sometimes over simplest things, like downloading sth from gmail or greader. & it's not just one tab that goes - it all goes & only one comes back, either gmail or greader...
- siggimus
Chrome also crashes when importing Firefox Bookmarks, which makes it awkward to switch. But yeah, I would still use Firefox over IE 8.
- Todd Brunner
from twhirl
my mother understands the search-thingy-box in chrome.
- Svensonsan
@scobleizer I think this would have made a good blog post. Would have been easier to read you view points. The discussion could then have happened on friendfeed. Too many comments to read properly
- Sidharth Dassani
Chrome and WebKit are the future - just hope there's still room for Firefox. Remember how Firefox became Firefox?
- Mona Nomura
from fftogo
I agree. Chrome focuses on opening fast, which is critical for impatient people like me. Firefox and IE are way too slow.
- Richard Crocker
WebKit can do CSS3 gradients, and I have only seen it in WordPress for creating actual images with gradients. Chrome is the future indeed! Extensions? heh, I use javascript bookmarklets to do my bidding! Chromes bookmark manager is more powerful than I expected. Passwords can be imported from FF but there is no backup option yet.
- Web20Critic
Chrome is really promising, but still incomplete imo. Being a web developer, I have deep connections with firefox plug-ins like FireBug (with Yslow), dev. toolbar and a couple more. But looking at the future, I think the final round of the browser wars will be between Safari and Chrome (ofc IE will still have at least 50% market) because Firefox gets slower and more agonizing with every new release, and lacks the support Apple and Google offers for Safari/Chrome
- Onur Cengiz
If chrome crashes, report it! Make a note of what you were doing and blog it, microshare it, post it on the chromium blog etc. This way all of us can help make it work for us! Nice thread for tech support, Mr Scoble!
- Web20Critic
7. Because Chrome has a new and improved version every week/month/quarter (depending upon the distribution channel) whereas IE version comes once in 3 years.
- Varun Mahajan
Robert: How did you get IE8 on Windows 7??? The installer refused to run when i tried.
- Roberto Bonini
Roberto: it came with Windows 7. Or so I thought. I already had it loaded on this machine before I upgraded.
- Robert Scoble
@voppa friendfeed is 10,000x better for conversations that Twitter. Plus it is the best aggregator in the market.
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That's total baloney. Friendfeed is only about 23x better for conversations than Twitter.
- Bruce Lewis
Difficulty level of friendfeed is higher than twitter. Twitter so simple for almost internet user. Maybe if Friendfeed redesign its website, or there are plenty of application that support Friendfeed, Friendfeed will be bigger.
- Alif Rachmawadi
from twhirl
FriendFeed feels much more like a community than does Twitter
- Seth Greenblatt
You're right. Twitter sucks for conversations and it's irritating when people use it as such. Just been relooking at Friendfeed and still don't like it. Needs a better design. Not intuitive like Twitter. It's a great concept but fails in it's execution.
- Paul Povolni
Cant wait to see what Friendfeed does with its presentation over the next year. What if I want photos to be big on my screen? And for custom rss feeds, I should be able to customize the favicon by feed (add a simple upload img option).
- beersage
I was having a rare convo on Twitter last night and I found myself getting self-conscious that we were polluting that fast-paced stream of isolated statements. Personal conclusion: twitter no good for convos.
- Martha
I think Twitter is great for "blogging" your life throughout the day. I don't think it was ever meant for anything else, hence the proper syntax for each line for Twitter to read correctly is <username><verb><action>. It's Facebook status on steroids. Friendfeed though a bit more complex seems to be the place for virtual convos.
- Brian Fegter
@Brian I agree with you on this
- Adriana
Personally, I believe Profilactic is a better aggregator than FriendFeed. I'm here for the discussions.
- Bwana ☠
Bwana: why do you say that? I don't like the name, for one. It is a major turnoff.
- Robert Scoble
the aggregation tools are amazing. the conversations are nice, but the power to create amazing content rooms from all over the web is a highly-underrated part of FF value.
- Morgan
Robert, 10,000x, is that an exact calculation? ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
my awesomeness calculator show higher numbers, can it be wrong!?
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
OK, here's the favor. It's a big one. For big hearts. Please help. http://darmano.typepad.com/logic_e... Please retweet.
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done! Thanks.. to -you-
- Thierry R. Andriamirado
YOU have helped raise OVER 6k for a family who you never met. YOU are the influencers.
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"Great minds discuss ideas. Average minds discuss events. Small minds discuss people." - http://ambivalence.tumblr.com/post...
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Hey, did you know Stowe wears funny hats?
- Robert Scoble
A since this statement discuses people we can conclude....
- Todd Hoff
todd: no this statement discusses an idea. Agreed, the idea is about people, but it is still an idea. It only becomes a person when it's no longer nameless.
- Tom Ribbens
This so relevant after last night's pissing match between Winer and Scoble.
- Stephen Pierzchala
Stowe is always coming up with these gems. Great sentiment with the start of the New Year and everyone's posting resolutions lately. How does this statement apply to our notions of authority vs. popularity?
- Hutch Carpenter
I see three people named: great, average, and small :-)
- Todd Hoff
I still don't agree with this sentiment
- Lindsey is Fierce!
Hutch: Stowe is an authority on weird hats. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Depending on how you define great as well. Those that move history understand that it's the convergence of people, events and ideas that makes a difference. Great ideas alone do not change the world. :)
- mikepk
Stowe is always wearing weird hats: http://www.flickr.com/search... -- now, find an algorithm that would give him hat authority. :-)
- Robert Scoble
I've seen Stowe's artiste hat at TC50 and Defrag. Quite sporty on him. I couldn't pull it off. I'll grant him Artiste Hat authority.
- Hutch Carpenter
The greatest minds discuss hats. :)
- mikepk
i discuss nouns. in my opinion, great minds often don't discuss at all. this opinion has very little reasoning behind it, and is the result more of impression than consideration ... this is how you can tell i have a smallish sort of mind.
- idnan
Best Feedback Of The Week From Simon Kapenda: A gazillion number of new sites is launched every day, most of them are useless and doomed to fail on their first launch, including some of mine, but Ramamia is a unique site that offers a cool breath of fresh air for online social networking, geared for families and friends. But, don’t just take my... - http://princesimon.wordpress.com/2008...
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Welcome to the Ramamia Support Room. Friendfeed is a great place to interact with others, so we figured we would use it as a simple channel for customer service and feedback. Share with us: Feedback you have, questions you have, feature suggestions, and more.
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This is an awesome idea Jason. FriendFeed has all you need for customer support.. posting messages, posting screenshots of stuff that doesn't work, liking stuff to agree that something's not working for you and of course commenting. Nice idea! Ask away! (Mark Bao, co-founder)
- Mark Bao
Ramamia - Easy sharing for your entire family - http://ramamia.com/#
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Does http://be-a-magpie.com bug you? If I were @ev I would block this ad network from Twitter. Discuss:
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Twitter should make sure it is only one to build systemic monetization schemes on its service. But either way I don't like it when people "Amway" their friends.
- Robert Scoble
That's pretty rude towards Amway, RS! So, tell Twitter to start monetizing already.
- jamesdkirk
I haven't seen it in action yet and don't want to try it in fear that I will loose all my followers.
- Sweyn Venderbush
I'm not a fan. and they will get unfollowed if I see it in my stream
- Erin @queenofspain
should we not let the twitter market work it out? Is there a major difference between twitter ads and ads on a blog?
- jason keath
Does it violate their terms of service or something? I don't see how they can block it if not. Sure, it's annoying, and if I start seeing folks I follow using it heavily, I'll probably stop following.
- Ken Sheppardson
Wow, I was going to blog about this in a few days. I think Twitter might want to block magpie and instead do this themselves!
- AJ Kohn
Social Media is about sharing interesting things with people who find those things interesting, not about soapboxing crap and spamming others with random junk. Magpie is a service that doesn't understand that, and though it attempts (poorly) at doing some level of justice to spamming, it's still spam/ads and unwelcomed in my book.
- Enrique Gutierrez
James: I was in Amway for a while. They totally try to get you to sell stuff to your friends. The comparison is very apt.
- Robert Scoble
or they could let it run in a test phase, see if it works and then buy it like they did with summize...I'm still debating how I think Twitter should be monetized, but working for Google on the AdWords product I have some opinions :)
- Derek Coatney
should Twitter create it's "magpie" rather than let magpie run riot?
- Jansen Lu
I suspect this is happening already Robert. Everyone is gaming the system.
- Mark Taylor
No, that was the training organization you belonged to. I was in for a while too. Amway products ARE top notch. And we all make recommendations ALL THE TIME to our friends. Plus you and I and others with online presence put ads on their blogs/sites/feeds. Is it any different? I don't really think so.
- jamesdkirk
A while back I made a post that concluded that twitter is good for exactly one spam (http://seanreiser.com/node/342) because you can drop anyone who uses their influence to start spamming. (And, yes I think magpie tweets are spam). I dont know if twitter should block it, but I will avoid folks using it.
- Bastard Operator From FF
It's close to what we have planned, but we think we have a better offering. Magpie bugs people, but I'd like to think http://twitAD.com won't. ;)
- Andy A.
(warning, I talk about my company in this comment) - I believe our company has a better option (www.zenect.com). Instead of having full SMS ads come from you to all your followers, our ad network inserts 40 character (or less) tagline ads at the end of messages. We don't integrate with Twitter at this time but instead offer a full micro-blog + mobile ad network. And I agree with Jason that the market will determine whether Magpie is viable and popular. If people like it, more power to them.
- Doug
I've offered up this for @ev and my fellow tweeters: http://bit.ly/3PZ56Y #tweetrocket
- Jason Kintzler
Amway, er, Quixtar's products are fine. The marketing and distribution scheme is sleazy.
- Robert Scoble
agree wholheartedly, Robert. Twitter is largely not a place for this type of marketing. I do not want ads in my Tweetstream.
- Stephen Collins
from twhirl
Robert, I'd love to tell you about OXY FRESH!!!!! KIDDING! But srsly, an Aunt of mine got sucked in to Oxy Fresh, another MLM scheme I think :)
- Richard ¿digame? Walker
Nice intro, Doug ;)
- jamesdkirk
yep, it sure does. Especially when those that I tend to click on their links more often have it enabled. Clicking on ads rather than a genuine recommendation from them is going against the grain of whay makes Twitter, friendfeed... all the SM tools useful.
- Wendy Peters
from twhirl
OK, I'll fess up. I've set up Magpie here. I've had it running about two weeks. I've had just one comment about it, and that wasn't really adversarial, and one person ask what it was, and they wanted to join. I've checked and it's sent out just 3 tweets since Friday, so not excessive. I'm monitoring it closely though, and if I got major objections, and/or lots of unfollows I'd review my participation.
- Ian May
I'm not advocating one distribution system over another, but I find it interesting that a fellow who makes his living telling us all about the "latest thing" in order to inform us and let us know why we should like a service would compare this service with one that at base levels just uses social interaction to distribute its products
- jamesdkirk
to those using magpie and claiming no negative vocal response I ask, have you monitored your unfollows? I know a lot of people will simply just unfollow you without saying anything, it's what I do.
- Chris Pugh
but still, doesn't it all come down to "unfollowing" if you don't like what I'm sending in my stream? (presuming I was using this service?) Let's not forget that, folks!
- jamesdkirk
I say "more power to them!" If people like what they do, it will succeed. If they don't, the people who sell their tweets will find they have no audience. Advertising runs our media-centric economy. As long as the market is free to opt out by unfollowing, Twitter will become what its users want it to be.
- Kenneth LeFebvre
http://useqwitter.com will help out there CP.
- jamesdkirk
dunno, Robert -- be-a-magpie says "scobelizer" is worth up to €22,816.42 per month. (presumably emphasis on the "up to") though one wonders if having your tweets BOOT CUT JEANS NOW ON SALE AT THE GAP constantly interrupted by BEN & JERRY'S VANILLA, NOW IN ORGANIC advertising will just make them TRY THE POPCORN SHRIMP PLATTER AT RED LOBSTER annoying.
- Karim
@jamesdkirk that's exactly it ... the service pays by follower count, so the self defeating fact is simple. use magpie, get unfollowed, lose all your followers, stop using the service, start rebuilding your twitter network ... repeat? sounds stupid to me
- Enrique Gutierrez
from twhirl
@Chris I've had a few people unfollow me, and a few more follow me since I've started using it. I haven't noticed a sudden increase in unfollows, just normal turnover, when folks realize that they don't find my inane drivel very interesting after all...
- Ian May
I'd do this if I were Twitter since they could insert ads at an appropriate rate for each users (based on tweets/hour) and type (based on keyword filtering). Only Twitter would be best at ensuring the ad load wasn't too high. And face it folks, they have to make money someway. It's this, subscriptions or banner ad mania.
- AJ Kohn
@Scobleizer None of the people I follow use it. I threatened to un-follow if anyone signed up ;-)
- Joseph McLaughlin
Perhaps a service like magpie could work out a deal with Twitter of some kind?
- Ian May
I'd agree with AJ Kohn. I like the service they provide, and would deal with "tasteful" insertions. It or something similar will happen. And it WILL HAPPEN here on FF before long as well. Wait and see.
- jamesdkirk
one more thing - If I want to be advertised at - I'll follow one or all of the spam bots that follow me. heh
- Enrique Gutierrez
from twhirl
If you are using magpie, your SNR inverts. It needs serious tweaking. Here's @geekmommy's post/discussion on #magpie: http://twurl.nl/ajtuf5
- Zena Weist
Is there an ad network where I can be paid to *refrain* from saying how much certain products suck? heh.
- Karim
*thinking out loud* Could this be why Bezos invested ... does he see a massive new affiliate network via tweets?
- AJ Kohn
it doesnt affect me as I have yet to see it in use. it seems everyone is looking out for retaining their 'Tribe' rather than making a quick nickel at their expense. .
- timduke
One of my Twitter friends says he's unfollowed two people already after seeing their Magpie ads.
- Michael Perlman
I have no problem with this. Twitter is victimless: if you don't like seeing #magpie tweets, unsubscribe the sender. Very simple. If I were Twitter, though, I'd boot be-a-magpie as a revenue competitor.
- Chris Baskind
I think the difference between bloggers having ads on their blogs & using magpie is that an ad on a blog page is passive. Readers can choose to read them or not. It doesn't generate a text message or chirp or enter any life stream or feed. Personally, I think services like magpie somewhat "sully the stream" and make it less organic; more disingenuous. [disclosure - I am blogger w/ads in my sidebar - but don't use twitter to spam my readers/followers]
- faryl
I also think it's a trust & etiquette issue. If I were John Chow (no offense to John) my readers might expect that - I'd be practicing what I preach. But as someone whose blog is about using social media to connect in positive ways, I don't know that it would be appropriate. Bottom line, if I have to think about "would this be ok to do", I probably should opt NOT do it. Maybe as twitter evolves and there are more filtering tools out there. But not now. I agree with geekmommy's post (thanks @Zena Weist)
- faryl
Robert, I see this slightly different than Amway. With Amway you're directly approaching friends, which would be the equivalent of "DM"'ing all your friends a magpie. With this, you're simply putting an ad up above your house for all your friends to choose to look at or not.
- Jesse Stay
this service caused us to write the only bad review to date - of over 100 reviews on Sociosophy.com --- http://www.sociosophy.com/blog...
- Sociosophy Reviews
from twhirl
Not one person has complained about my magpie tweets to me. Maybe I'm not worth the time?
- bill giltner
Wow, I touched a nerve here. Will write a blog about my thoughts. Be back later.
- Robert Scoble
@bill giltner - do you use qwitter? after people become aware of what this service does, that might be something to consider using.
- Sociosophy Reviews
Sociosophy, Bill, SocialToo does what Qwitter does too - tracks both people that followed and unfollowed you and sends in a batch daily.
- Jesse Stay
from twhirl
yes it does, well at least my experience with socialtoo has shown that as I received an email today telling me who followed and who unfollowed.
- Raymond Marr aka Knatchwa
from IM
@jesse_stay thanks for the tip! we'll have a look soon
- Sociosophy Reviews
from twhirl
Personally, I don't mind it. It makes Twitter into a real business tool.
- Daniel Brusilovsky
Sociosophy I have to disclose my bias - I am the developer of SocialToo, so if it gives you any troubles let me know.
- Jesse Stay
from twhirl
We should be able to handpick ads we want to share with our friends, that's the most natural way to do it.
- TunisianGuy
Social Media is not about having ads shoved at you without permission. If I see magpie in my stream, I will unfollow
- Sylvia Webb
Personally I do not find it too obtrusive or annoying - that said I wish Twitter were doing it themselves because then I'd mind less.
- Nation Hahn
in a related question... how do you feel about a service like @breakingnewson inserting ads with magpie ... let's face it, it would be better then the tweet-a-thon begging they seem to do... an they are more a service then a person tweeting
- Bastard Operator From FF
Ancient Internet history (1978)--THE 1st email spam (http://www.templetons.com/brad...) "ON 2 MAY 78 DIGITAL EQUIPMENT CORPORATION (DEC) SENT OUT AN ARPANET MESSAGE ADVERTISING THEIR NEW COMPUTER SYSTEMS. THIS WAS A FLAGRANT VIOLATION OF THE USE OF ARPANET AS THE NETWORK IS TO BE USED FOR OFFICIAL U.S. GOVERNMENT BUSINESS ONLY. APPROPRIATE ACTION IS BEING TAKEN TO PRECLUDE ITS OCCURRENCE AGAIN. THANK YOU FOR YOUR COOPERATION. MAJOR RAYMOND CZAHOR, CHIEF, ARPANET MANAGEMENT BRANCH, DCA"
- Micah Wittman
Sorry, but I'm posting that link again (http://www.templetons.com/brad...) it's packed with interesting discussion. Another teaser quote (from RMS---YES Richard M. Stallman, that 'RMS') "Well, Geoff forwarded me a copy of the DEC message, and I eat my words. I sure would have minded it! Nobody should be allowed to send a message with a header that long, no matter what it is about."
- Micah Wittman
Thanks, Robert for starting the discussion. These are very intersting views, positive and negative. Thank you all for the feedback. We've silently introduced a number of changes to Magpie yesterday to give tweeps more control over their magpie-tweets. You can now hand-select ads, put up your own disclaimer (other than #magpie) and control the tweet/ad-ratio better. I'm looking forward to reading your blog post and to getting more feedback in the comments. Thanks again. (I'm the CEO of Magpie & Friends Ltd.)
- Jan Schulz-Hofen
TechCrunch just wrote about this issue here: http://www.techcrunch.com/2008... called it "PayPerPost for Twitter."
- Robert Scoble
As of now, i haven't found Magpie to be that intrusive, probably because not many people I follow have subscribed for the service or there have been very few ads from Magpie. I might unfollow them if the ads starts becoming too frequent. I think the right way for Magpie to go is enabling only handpicked ads which users can share with their friends like any other info they want to share. However, if the same service was introduced by Twitter, I wouldn't mind at all.
- Devakishor
@Jan It's great to see you here on FriendFeed joining in on this discussion. I've actually been very impressed with your service so far and the amount of consideration you've put into listening to users' feedback and adapting the service. As others have mentioned, I don't see serving ads in Twitter being much different than serving them in a blog. However, I do love the addition of your two latest features, as I think that puts even more control into the hands of the users, which is what we're all after.
- Mike Templeton
@miketempleton thanks for your feedback. you one of the folks who mentioned that feature earlier on uservoice. it took us some time to implement, now let's see who people will like it.
- Jan Schulz-Hofen
I'm thinking of adding a "Magpie kill switch" to TweetDeck so these tweets don't even get shown.
- Iain Dodsworth
It's simple! If I see magpie in my stream, I will unfollow.
- netvista
lain, you should just make a filter by keyword - tweets with specified keywords in the stream don't show
- Jesse Stay
from twhirl
As many people as I know who are having a hard time right now - or who would make a nice bit of change for doing, essentially, nothing - very few of them are actually desperate enough to do it. I'd love to have an extra $1700 a month, and I could easily double my follow count by following bots. Yet I'd never do this, not for 10x that. And I'm dumbfounded as to why anyone would want to monetize their personal conversations. "Brought to you by Carl's Jr."
- Tinu Abayomi-Paul
Robert, I've never had more comments on a post (or more hits) than I did on my anti-magpie post. http://tinyurl.com/5hzkvg - it's still getting hits and comments. Honestly? I don't think it's viable.
- Lucretia Pruitt
Its interesting to see how many out there are trying to monetize Twitter 'externally'. This is one but then there is also Tapulous with Tweetsville on the iphone - I paid $4 to them :)
- Mrinal Desai
+1 for no ads by followers. I'm un-subscribing anyone who wants to monetize their twitter feed. There is already too much noise on twitter. If you think your content is monetizable, write a blog for Pete's sake!
- Shivanand Velmurugan
I don't have a problem with people wanting to monetize their twitter accounts. I don't have a problem with selling ads in the network. My problem is that even if Magpie alternates 1 ad per 5 tweets, what if I follow 5 twits with Magpie. How often am I going to see an ad? The idea is pretty smart actually, but I think it needs a lot of work yet.
- Jason Brett
It definitely bugs me!: http://thefutureofads.com/2008... Wrong medium, poorly formatted message, and it's (in most cases) paying people for things that they shouldn't be paid for (conversations with friends). If everyone was just broadcasting on Twitter, it would be a different story, but ads have no place in conversation (as seen by the anti-advertising backlash on forums) so they have no place on Twitter either, at least in this format.
- Cory OBrien
PayPerPost destroyed blog valuations without adequate warning. Before loosing a Twitter account you spend time building it's best to take a wait and see approach. They are paying you because of your accounts value - will they reimburse you in the event the account is terminated? Just a thought.
- Robert MacEwan
Magpie success will depend on the creative of the 'advert' - a cuckold tweet is likely to induce 'interesting' relationships.
- zeroinfluencer
How is paid content different from any other advertising such as Adwords? Part of the visible site includes non-paid content, and some displays paid content. As long as they are accurately labeled, the reader can make an informed decision.
- Mike Chelen
Seth Godin Finally Joins Twitter - http://twitter.com/sethgod...
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Just to sell his new book.... *shakes head*
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
@Shey LOL I'm like, wow, kinda late for that, huh Seth?
- anna sauce
yeah, probably right...damn his face looks annoying there... Reminds of Eddie describing the fold in the magazine on Raw "here want me to stir it for you?"
- Zee.
I know that alarm bells go off at Twitter if you're following many more people than follow you. Does anything happen in the reverse, if you're following many fewer people than are following you?
- Ontario Emperor
I'll wait until he starts tweeting something before I follow.
- Hutch Carpenter
@anna: wasn't he at @sethgodin, the only guys on twitter with zillions of followers and who never follows back? This being said, I like what he writes generally :)
- directeur
Well that didn't last long, looks like it's been deleted
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
Wow, that WAS quick. Maybe it was unauthorized.
- Ontario Emperor
wow...that's strange
- Zee.
That's too bad - I was rather in his corner, staying off of it. Wonder if he'll join everyone else again by abandoning Squidoo too.
- Ciaoenrico
hmm
- Hayk H.
Wake me when Seth becomes relevant again. To me, he's been mailing it in for a good while. Brilliant basis and thesis but it's been milk ever since.
- AJ Kohn
Who is that?
- Mona Nomura
Yeah, AJ, agreed. If Seth used micro-blogging, he'd blow most of his load with around 10-12 posts.
- Christopher Galtenberg
mona, popular marketing dude/writer/speaker.
- Hao Chen
Long overdue
- Charlie Anzman
Will follow him and see what he has to say.
- John-David Lusan
i've been told this could be a fake...
- Zee.
read this http://sethgodin.typepad.com/seths_b... he doesnt use twitter
- johnpiercy
yeah, i remember that actually and hence my surprise when he apparently joined...he could have always changed his mind i thought
- Zee.
Heheh, I'm doing a webinar on Thursday with Seth, so I'll find out if this is real. It sure doesn't look real.
- Robert Scoble
doesn't use twitter wtf?!
- Susan Beebe
Mona, you were kidding, weren't you?
- Laura Norvig
i don't think she was Laura and besides he's famous but not that famous
- Zee.
Bad time to admit I wouldn't know Godin from Adam?
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
See, more proof Seth needs to be on twitter - he's clearly not engaging his audience! LOL
- Susan Beebe
It looks more like a Kool-Aid line to me:) Real or imaginary, it's a Kool-Aid line!
- Roney Smith
don't use twitter much anymore - could care less
- mike "glemak" dunn
@mike I actually use it more than I used to
- Kyle Lacy
seth who?
- David Parmet
from twhirl
woah Kyle!
- Zee.
Following.
- Igor Poltavskiy
The owner of this twitter account has just posted...."PLEASE NOTE THIS IS A --FAN-- ACCOUNT FOR LATEST UPDATES ABOUT SETH'S NEW BOOK, TRIBES."
- Zee.
Well, maybe he's a bit "five minutes ago" but once I stumbled upon him, it seems like I saw him everywhere. It coincided with me hearing about Squidoo (which is definitely five minutes ago), but I started hearing about all his books and seeing him scheduled to speak at conferences.
- Laura Norvig
laura - yeah, he's like spam that way ;)
- mike "glemak" dunn
"PLEASE NOTE THIS IS A --FAN-- ACCOUNT FOR LATEST UPDATES ABOUT SETH'S NEW BOOK, TRIBES"
- Mike Reynolds
mike look up in the comments...
- Zee.
Thanks Zee, I see that you posted the response already :)
- Mike Reynolds
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mike your shares are awesome - just say'n ;)
- mike "glemak" dunn
Most of our geek interests are pretty much inline. Thanks Mike :)
- Mike Fruchter
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