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Pundits keep predicting the demise of netbooks but their reasons make no sense (and they're wrong). http://news.bbc.co.uk/2...
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"It's the internet's fault for making us much more multimedia savvy," he said. Uploading and editing still or moving pictures and handling audio all require far more power than the basic netbook offers, he said."
- Mark
Who the hell does video or photo editing on a freaking netbook?!
- Mark
Live now: This Week (Year/Decade) In Tech 228 with Kevin Rose and Robert Scoble - our year and decade ender. http://live.twit.tv Dicusss here...
Daniel Rowley, Anthony Farrior, Johnny Worthington and 24 other people liked this
I beat Johnny.
- Judy Jones
Tease:
- Leo Laporte
@scobelizer the IRC is where it's at!
- Andrew Euell
EFnet ftw ;)
- Jay Neff
exploring the darkside of twitter on NPR http://www.npr.org/templat...
- Carl Golden
I've got to remember to use this service more often.
- Shane Tilton
from BuddyFeed
Blippy certainly is pushing the boundaries.
- Caleb Elston
I think he has something to, like you said Leo adding Netflix, Amazon, etc Affiliate links in for instant monetization
- Jay Neff
Can I get a scale that lies about my weight then twitters?
- Ghworg
It's all opt in, you decide what you want to share, it isn't as big of a deal as I first thought with concerns of privacy really
- Jay Neff
Really want a FitBit
- Caleb Elston
I think I need to take a screen cap of this. No Johnny W liking a TWiT post. Hmmm he must be busy today. lol
- Bill Heslin
Wow. IRC is so crazy. I think the story of the decade is surely mobile and email. The iPhone's popularity is huge for this. Google too.
- Elliot Christenson
Leo busy FF room today. Hey everyone!
- Bill Heslin
Hey Bill!
- Caleb Elston
Hi Caleb
- Bill Heslin
Scoble are you going to talk about TSA restrictions on electronics on plane?
- Peter Trussell
Maybe
- Robert Scoble
Really excited by Square, could really shake up the payments space. PayPal for the real world.
- Caleb Elston
and PayPal sucks lol
- Jay Neff
here we go. iSlate lol
- Caleb Elston
boy if Apple doesn't deliver they are in trouble
- Kim Landwehr
Tablets haven't worked that well in the market, so it makes sense that they'd call it a slate instead of a tablet.
- Jeff Harbert
@Kim, yeah- I actually just sold the rest of my AAPL stock.
- Caleb Elston
All time high, taking profits. Will buy back in a month or so
- Caleb Elston
@Caleb, wish I had AAPL stock to buy and sale (:
- Kim Landwehr
@Kim not really much stock just about 25 shares
- Caleb Elston
The tea leaves for iSlate is the brand new iTunesLP creation tools. All HTML, CSS, Javascript
- Caleb Elston
So where do you guys discover the majority of your technews? (besides TWIT :)
- Caleb Elston
Caleb - Lifehacker, MakeUseOf, MaximumPC, Twitter.
- Jeff Harbert
@Caleb - Digg, The Register, Twitter...
- Andrew
@Jeff cool, so no aggregators really?
- Caleb Elston
@Andrew Do you do much filtering on Digg? Just the tech areas for instance?
- Caleb Elston
Yeah the Tech page is set as my starting point.
- Andrew
@Caleb, No, I don't like aggregators. Even for blogs, things like Google Reader and Bloglines annoy me.
- Jeff Harbert
@Caleb - One exception to that is Popurls. That one's handy.
- Jeff Harbert
@Jeff Interesting. Is there something in particular about them you dislike?
- Caleb Elston
Yeah I barely look at Google Reader any more, it's just like a huge inbox you have to crawl through now.
- Andrew
@Caleb - Readers don't give me blog comments, for one. I also find that the look and feel of a website will help me remember where I first read something. Blog themes are also usually stripped out and made homogenous by readers. Don't care for that.
- Jeff Harbert
can someone post the links to the #twitdecade videos leo plays
- Andrew Euell
this guy is annoying
- Mark
news producer guy
- Mark
I've gotten nearly all my breaking news this year from Twitter.
- Jeff Harbert
I learned about Twitter on TWiT. TechTV and it's spawn are one important story of the decade.
- Jason R
Twitter definitely provides most of the news/links that I click on. I prefer the layout/design of Original Signal to Popurls, just a shame it seems to have been abandoned. Only annoyance is no way to turn off the popups when you hover on a link.
- Andrew
"we have some deep integrations coming with a bunch of different players and big announcements coming up" --Kevin Rose on TWiT
- Andrew Euell
anyone know if traffic on digg.com is still growing?
- Mark
I think the fire alarm is starting to beep more frequently...
- Andrew
Story of the decade is REALLY TWIT. I agree with Jason Robertshaw. I learned of Twitter on TWIT.
- Elliot Christenson
those glasses dont suit her
- Mark
I agree with her comment. (Now I just need a piece of inexpensive hardware to switch between USB webcams.)
- Jeff Harbert
I like my Zi8, but the EIS could be better.
- Jeff Harbert
haha! 640x480
- Andrew Euell
I had a cheap HP camera back in the day. Utter crap.
- Jeff Harbert
Heh, my mom had the Sony Mavica! :)
- Ken Wiesner
My last employer had a floppy-drive Mavica.
- Jeff Harbert
we had a mavica for a trip to vegas with the family. BACKUPS could be a story of the decade. Digital is now practical because of BACKUPS.
- Elliot Christenson
I know Carbonite is a sponsor but I gotta say their product for Mac really sucks. It doesn't backup video automatically! You have to manually select video files to backup. I switched to Backblaze. We should try to get them as a TWiT Sponsor!
- Ken Wiesner
Am I the only one that thinks location services like Foursquare are dumb?
- Jeff Harbert
@Jeff hate to disagree, but I think location is actually a core element to be shared. Just like Photos, Video, Text...location is next.
- Caleb Elston
@Caleb - but it's so transitory. So I check in at a bar - I won't be there an hour later.
- Jeff Harbert
People recommend you for the "Crunk" badge. :)
- Ken Wiesner
@Jeff that's true, but tweets are similarly ephemeral, but we now have much better realtime alerting systems so you can actually know about that right away.
- Caleb Elston
@Caleb - And it also does me no good to know where anyone non-local to me is. Scoble is having dinner at the Ritz - I'm across the country, so what use is that to me?
- Jeff Harbert
@Jeff, bingo - and if you're in a small town, who cares that you just popped down to the gas station in your pyjamas?
- Andrew
@Jeff that might be true for Robert, since you don't really know him, but if it were your son or brother it might be interesting, a conversation starter for the next time you speak.
- Caleb Elston
@Andrew - Exactly, which is why I think these services are dumb.
- Jeff Harbert
@Caleb - I'm actually acquainted with Robert. It still does me no good to know he's having dinner at the Ritz because he's nowhere near me.
- Jeff Harbert
@Jeff Touche haha
- Caleb Elston
Love Amazon Prime.
- Jeff Harbert
I love how the book store guy is kicking everyone's ass in the cloud space. :)
- Ken Wiesner
Bezos is a force of nature in business.
- Jeff Harbert
NASA should limit its spending to human exploration related activities.
- Jeff Harbert
Leo is dropping comments about his wealth alot lately
- Mark
@Mark I think Leo is very pleased and confident about the success of TWiT.
- Jeff Harbert
best ad transition to date
- Andrew Euell
Pet peeve - that's navigation, not GPS.
- Jeff Harbert
A TWiT conversation is going to hit best of day. It's been awhile. Love it...
- Bill Heslin
Automatic parallel parking is a joke. If you can't drive, don't drive.
- Jeff Harbert
I love that electric vehicle thing! That would be so cool! And I cannot wait to become popular P:
- Zachary TG
Fully automated cars would be cool though. Real life savers, since most people don't know how to drive safely.
- Jeff Harbert
Robert's is right Microsoft is just not cool anymore
- Kim Landwehr
I'd still like to have a full computer in my car.
- Jeff Harbert
Doesn't the decade begin in January 1st, 2011?
- Héctor
Dave Winer and RSS , Scoble names his child after RSS ...I may have to unblock you Robert...lol
- Bill Heslin
@Héctor - Leo mentioned that in yesterday's TWiG. He said he'd rather get a little email from correct listeners like you than wait a year and get 10x more from people who think it begins 1-1-10.
- Jeff Harbert
Correct. I remember arguing about it 10 years ago, but this time around I don't feel like nitpicking for that same exact reason. Sounds like a good plan.
- Héctor
I don't like the iPhone. I need a real keyboard.
- Jeff Harbert
Thinking of getting a Droid to replace my Blackberry in Sept when my current cell contract is up for renewal.
- Jeff Harbert
Yeah I'm going to drop my BlackBerry Storm - was such a disappointment.
- Andrew
Night all
- Caleb Elston
Electric vehicles will fit 95% of everyone's vehicle needs. Yes, you will need a second vehicle.
- Jeff Harbert
Sorry, it's the public holiday here in Oz for Boxing Day... I just woke up and I'm now going for a swim...
- Johnny Worthington
from iPhone
Later Caleb!
- Jeff Harbert
Hey Johnny...Was wondering where you were...Enjoy your day!
- Bill Heslin
Please stop thinking that electric cars will 100% replace normal cars.
- Jeff Harbert
And btw, good old lead-acid batteries are just fine for electric cars. We don't need a battery breakthrough.
- Jeff Harbert
Thank goodness for holidays - this is the first time I've been able to watch TWiT live, as it's after midday Monday in NZ. Although luckily TWiG falls on Sunday here. :)
- Andrew
audible = DRM = FAIl
- Mark
hey you know how audible uses DRM, how does that work on a CD since a CD doesn't support digital copy protection does it?
- Mark
(you can burn audible to cd)
- Mark
If you think about it most people spend most of their time driving to and from work and around town, a perfect use for electric vehicles
- Kim Landwehr
"earthy crunchy" --Leo Laporte on Kevin Rose
- Andrew Euell
@Kim - Exactly. We don't need 350 mile range. 80 is more than enough for most people.
- Jeff Harbert
you DO WANT Rackspace as a sponsor, trust me
- Mark
(they are very generous)
- Mark
Esp when Rackspace goes down and takes half the internet with it. Three times now? Or is it only twice?
- Jeff Harbert
meh every host goes down
- Mark
99.99% uptime
- Mark
@Mark - kills the "cloud" argument though. How can a cloud go down?
- Jeff Harbert
well if someone unplugs the power for computers in the cloud i guess
- Mark
What kind of plasma?
- Jason R
If that's the case, Rackspace needs to restrict access to their power cords. ;)
- Jeff Harbert
gotta agree on the HD
- Kim Landwehr
there are a whole bunch of weather/technology metaphors yet to be exploited with this whole "cloud" thing
- Andrew Euell
HD really has made web video in particular much more enjoyable.
- Jeff Harbert
giant women have never been so attractive
- Andrew Euell
has a DVD screener leaked yet hehe
- Mark
Blogs aren't history, they've become enhancements & supplements to videos and tweets.
- Jeff Harbert
I like that comment by Leo - why pigeonhole it? It's all content.
- Jeff Harbert
Yay. Dr. Kiki rocks
- Bill Heslin
"tough ass particle" --Leo Laporte on the Higgs Boson
- Andrew Euell
great - I could understand all of the previous video vignette's except the bio-tech one ;)
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
....and an overpolluted planet with 15 billion people. Something to look forward to.
- Jeff Harbert
aging a disease? Cure that, that would b awesome
- Bill Heslin
what about a cure for sleep, free of side effects of course
- Andrew Euell
@Andrew - or just make sleep more effective. I'd love to get by on 3-4 hours per night.
- Jeff Harbert
Biggest story of the decade - social media. It changed the societal consciousness.
- echostreamer
it's not Facebook per se, but rather the ability of any company to connect that many people on the internet: Orkut, Twitter, Google Groups, etc
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Fun show, guys.
- Jeff Harbert
Great show, long live TWiT!
- Andrew
digitel yamah keyboeerds and roland key boerds have realy advanced in sound and what u can do with them
- daveccorey
Why is the Tricaster such a POS???
- Ken Wiesner
Leo thank you for another great year....Peace to you and your family...Have a GREAT New Year. We'll B Here!!!!
- Bill Heslin
I noticed on the TWiT youtube channel, Windows Weekly is watched 5-6 times more than the other shows
- Mark
As it should b Mark. it's a great show... :)
- Bill Heslin
Windows Weekly is 12500+ per show. TWiT the flagship is 2 or 3000
- Mark
“We do not seek to challenge why we are feeling a particular emotion; instead, we seek to confirm it.” – Paul Ekman, http://www.amazon.com/gp...
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Speak for yourself, Ekman.
- Mr. Gunn
I hate all that hollow motivational crap
- Mark
I've read this book, it's quite good. Mr. Gunn, Prof. Ekman has spent many years studying emotion across many cultures. He's making a statement of fact that's based on many more than himself. Mark, I don't see anything particularly motivational in the quoted statement, and there's nothing particularly motivational about the book--it teaches a skill.
- Ruchira S. Datta
Living in a left-brain world, people seem unable to talk sensibly about emotion. Hopefully things like this book can help, by leading to discussion...
- Daniel Dulitz
Gonna have a fun afternoon with @JasonWomack we'll talk about productivity in 2010 and how to get more of it.
"Bitkisel diyet" and Roberto Bonini liked this
the 2010 web starts in a few days right?
- Mark
Gillmor Gang 12.22.09 - http://www.youtube.com/watch... (via http://friendfeed.com/stevegi...)
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Not a very exciting episode. most of the panelists were quiet and withdrawn and lacked passion
- Mark
I'm liking this not very exciting feel
- Steve Gillmor
I thought it was a great episode. Doesn't have to be drama to be good. Nook arrived this AM, we likey. Gave Mom a Kindle so Stepdad can self-publish his short stories to Amazon, have at least a couple of subscribers. :)
- Karoli
Live now: Windows Weekly 136 with Paul Thurrott. http://live.twit.tv Discuss here....
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Tease: The death of PC gaming, the birth of real computing, and what's happening to Microsoft Word
- Leo Laporte
Increasingly computing means connecting to the Internet.
- Leo Laporte
Leo, you should see if Paul can drive a stick so he can drive your Mustang to CES.
- Hawklu
PC gaming ... Is it dead? Or just dying? Fact: PC gaming represents less than 10 percent of all gaming revenue right now, with consoles at 90 percent. It's not even close. I wrote a bit about this but only compared it to the Xbox 360 It's so much more than that. Piracy, cheating, hardware issues, DRM, and so on are all abysmal on PC But also other consoles (PS3/Wii) and handheld game...
more...
- Leo Laporte
I'd be really curious what % of PC games sold are FPS... seems like that's the one holdout area.
- Ken Sheppardson
90% console? LOL you guys should stop talking about games, seriously. NPD reports do NOT count digital purchases, everyone knows that. Guess where everyone buys PC games.... Steam and D2D.
- elfguy
What really drove me off the PC for gaming was constantly dealing with hardware/software incompatibilities. "Oh, sorry you have version 5.3 of SuperQuickOpenDirectGL, you need version 5.*4*... crash"
- Ken Sheppardson
OK, ok, so it's not 90%, it's really 85%. Next.
- Ken Sheppardson
Madden 2008 was the last PC version, IIRC. I finally had to break down and buy an Xbox to play 2010.
- Ken Sheppardson
The FPS keyboard+mouse vs controller argument's a bit like the conversation about physical keyboards on smartphones. Personal preference.
- Ken Sheppardson
Here's a Half-Life movie... http://newteevee.com/2009...
- Ken Sheppardson
"Viewed more than 1.5 million times since its YouTube debut last Thursday, Escape from City 17 is one of those rare viral videos that seems destined to launch a breakout success. In the live action indie short, a pair of argumentative rebel soldiers flee from a futuristic, totalitarian city about to blow, beset on all sides by stormtroopers, gunships, and general confusion. It’s set within the world of the best-selling video game Half-Life 2..."
- Ken Sheppardson
Sync play Geoff Smith "I'm a Twit"
- Andrew Johnson
Microsoft loses Word appeal with i4i Will "fix" Word to remove offending code No worries about Word being taken off the market
- Leo Laporte
iPhone is not really the most popular smart phone of 2009 (in US only) (RIM and LG both beat it out) But .. Come on. This is the platform to beat. 2010 is going to be interesting.
- Leo Laporte
Love the fact that Paul complains of people not digging enough yet throws so many false statements about gaming. Gold. Oh and nice impression of me Leo! :)
- elfguy
Paul is not an expert on Gaming it has become clear in this episode ;)
- Mark
New Atom platform Congratulations, shoppers. Those Christmas presents you just bought are all obsolete Kind of a mean thing to do on Intel's part: Announce new chips the week of Christmas, ship them right after New Years.
- Leo Laporte
Rumors of an Apple TV subscription platform This sounds interesting But... Has to include all major networks. Must have closed captioning. If it works ... Could kill cable.
- Leo Laporte
Audible pick of the week: Here's the Deal: Don't Touch Me by Howie Mandel http://www.audible.com/adbl... "A frank, funny, no-holds-barred memoir that reveals the Deal or No Deal host's ongoing struggle with OCD and ADHD - and how it has shaped his life and career." Recommended by my friend Joe, and given as a Christmas present
- Leo Laporte
Tip of the week: Save money online with this awesome browser plug-in Invisible Hand for IE, Firefox, Chrome Shows a very discreet notification when the product you're browsing can be bought for a lower price elsewhere. Absolutely priceless. (Pardon the pun.)
- Leo Laporte
Software pick of the week: Blurb and Booksmart http://www.blurb.com/ Make your own photo book - the ultimate holiday gift Or a book of any kind Pricing: http://www.blurb.com/create... Next week: My favorite Audible book, tip, and software pick of 2009
- Leo Laporte
captaha dataentry , what do u know about it??
- Imran Ahamed Imon
Heh. Netflix seems to be succeeding with a subscription model. I wonder how long it'll be before they have 'direct to Netflix' streamed content.
- Ken Sheppardson
I have both the Roku box and Xbox, and I have to say I really prefer the Xbox with it's ability to browse stuff not in your queue. Really is just as simple as the Roku.
- Ken Sheppardson
Xbox now has a "Zune" app... seems they're stride for stride with Apple in the TV box market.
- Ken Sheppardson
Abes of Maine is in Brooklyn, BTW
- Ken Sheppardson
actually they moved to New Jersey
- Ken Sheppardson
"We are a family run business, who has been in operation since 1979. From our humble beginnings in Old Orchard Beach, Maine, where we started as a mom and pop retail store, after several years of beginning our mail-order business, made the move to NYC in September 1986. There on Coney Island Ave. in Brooklyn, we built up our company into a reliable and reputable establishment"
- Ken Sheppardson
I'll never do business with Abes again. Had some pretty painful CS exchanges with them.
- Ken Sheppardson
uh oh wish i'd known that ken!
- Leo Laporte
Well, like I always say... as long as nothing goes wrong, everything will be fine :-/
- Ken Sheppardson
Oh, but you bought through Amazon, so you'd be dealing with them rather than Abe's if there are any problems.
- Ken Sheppardson
Live now: MacBreak Weekly 172 with MacWorld Expo's Paul Kent, Andy Ihnatko and Alex Lindsay. http://live.twit.tv Discuss here....
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Tease: Steve Jobs loses one and wins one, Apple enters the TV biz, and a Macworld Expo preview...
- Leo Laporte
Hello from Pasadena, CA, is Andy in town?
- George Mag
I won my Fantasy Football League and I am considering buying a Motorola Droid today. I have an iPhone 3GS but I think the Verizon network is faster than AT&T on 3G.
- George Mag
will it be a good thing or a bad thing that apple wont be at macworld?
- Aaron
Macworld was always a fringe event, Apple is mainstream now and CES is a a mainstream event.
- George Mag
Funny how they throw out the Red Carpet for TWiT now we are the biggest name at the conference ;)
- Mark
I don't think MacWorld ever had a live feed except for Apple's Keynote, they made too exclusive.
- George Mag
yeah but 99.9% of apps will not make the big money
- Mark
why is this news that a small number of the millions of developers are making big money? its the same for all markets
- Mark
The Killer App for Android has yet to reveal itself.
- George Mag
Tap Tap Revenge also has in-game downloadable content that you pay for. I should know. :(
- Seth
some PC indie developers make millions, some make pennies
- Mark
What true for stocks is true for Apps, Pennies add up, its total transactions that count.
- George Mag
yes but its running at 320x240 resolution
- Mark
so 500mhz is plenty
- Mark
I'm ready for the "death" of traditional TV. If a show isn't interactive in some way (ala TWiT) or topical (news, sports), there's no reason to stream it "live". All the standard dramas and sitcoms will go on-demand, per show, with "release dates".
- Ken Sheppardson
And it looks like I totally missed the point. Again :-)
- Parody
I'm not talking about some alternative to video, I'm just talking about the way the video is delivered.
- Ken Sheppardson
Maybe every 15 minutes you could just say "For those of you who tuned in for the [15|30|60|...] minute version of MBW, thank you for joining us and see you next week"... then just keep going.
- Ken Sheppardson
What to Choose: IMAX 3D versus RealD versus Dolby 3D for 3D Movies? - 3D Vision Blog -- http://3dvision-blog.com/what-to...
- Ken Sheppardson
Ken, the only reason I don't like th Audible ads is since I joined, Andy has cost me a lot of money... Plus I am shopping for a new car in March... I have been looking at a Ford... GAH, GET OUT OF MY HEAD
- Johnny Worthington
lol johnny.... you're "one of us... one of us... one of us"
- Chris Heath
George Mag, have you used the TurnByTurn navigation on android 2.0? voice activated (like ford sync) with street view pictures (with hi-lighted arrows on the road where you need to turn) ... it's pretty killer... the phone itself costs as much as a tom-tom or garmin and you get way way more than those devices offer (for only a small monthly service charge)
- Chris Heath
good show do u think we NEAD A APP SHOW
- daveccorey
Did Leo find somebody to take his Mustang to CES? If not, I nominate Paul.
- Hawklu
Live now: This Week In Computer Hardware 51 with PC Perspective's Ryan Shrout, http://pcper.com. http://live.twit.tv. Discuss here...
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Tease: Intel updates Atom. The world yawns. A new Tegra powered tablet? And the linux keyboard.
- Leo Laporte
Item 1: Intel Launches Updated Atom Platform with Pine Trail Technology http://www.pcper.com/article...
- Leo Laporte
Yawn 2.0
- Martin
Not even Pentium 2. It's Pentium MMX-based, IIRC.
- Martin
If we're talking about sucking, both Flash and Atom do.
- Martin
Item 2: MSI and Dell reveal bunches of Pine Trail netbooks http://www.pcper.com/comment...
- Leo Laporte
Item 3: Another Tegra-powered tablet looks impressive General tablet discussion - do you want one? What is it used for? Convertible tablet notebooks a better idea? http://www.pcper.com/comment...
- Leo Laporte
Item 4: Move over Eee Keyboard, this Linux Keyboard PC is only $99 http://www.pcper.com/comment...
- Leo Laporte
Item 5: Contest winner - need to pick
- Leo Laporte
I like my Netbook for browsing in the living room and on the road. But do I love to get back to my desktop machine when doing anything beyond that.
- Martin
You could blame Intel because they made small form factor notebook extremely expensive for the longest time.
- Martin
Now they have Atoms, CULVs and notebook CPUs with different TDPs.
- Martin
Fully functional and Linux kinda don't mix.
- Martin
Leo is in a weird mood lol. Why did he stick the middle finger up?
- Mark
Blog owners: you will want to check out @meebo at 1 pm today because they have something nice. My video will come tonight.
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Hey Robert, what would you say your job title was and can you sum up your job in 1 sentence? And please no abstract nonsense ;)
- Mark
His Job title is: Robert Scoble. ;)
- Lee Stacey
Had I not saved a version of the post I was working on outside of WP I would be swearing at @rackspace on Twitter right now.
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Nice. Just appeared in my FriendFeed stream, with a timestamp of "23 hours ago from Twitter"
- Ken Sheppardson
same for me along with a dozen other tweets from elsewhere
- Mark
I am in a good mood today. I will donate $1 to the SF food bank for the first 100 people who post "Scoble is an egotistical fatso."
Baroness Von SmashAHomie, johnpiercy, Holly Rae and 15 other people liked this
Done.
- Judy Jones
Scoble is an egotistical fatso but I like his Twitter posts!
- Arthur Coleman
Scoble is an egotistical fatso, but need to pay so people call him that!
- Marco Neves
from IM
Sorry Robert but I could never post something like that about anyone
- Tom Raftery
Scoble is an egotistical fatso
- Mark
"Scoble is an egotistical fatso." but a very nice one :-)
- tony bland
Fifth bitches! Wait what? "Scoble is an egotistical fatso."
- Eric @ CSTechcast.com
"Scoble is an egotistical fatso."
- Colette
Whoever said "Scoble is an egotistical fatso" had no idea what they're talking about.
- John Craft
"Scoble is an egotistical fatso." - does anyone know, what fatso means? ;)
- Peter Smulovics
fatso means a fat so-and-so
- Mark
"Scoble is an egotistical fatso." posting it under protest but it's for a good cause so here we are.
- pea
lol is it regarding that SEO article? :D
- Sasha Kovaliov(.com)
For a worthy cause: "Scoble is an egotistical fatso."
- Jack (a.k.a. Jeber)
Posted it on Twitter with a link back to here. This is why Robert is simultaneously maddening and whimsically endearing.
- WorldofHiglet
"Scoble is an egotistical fatso." Now, get that that loot to the food bank, stat!
- Derrick
Scoble is an egotistical fatso. You know, for the kids.
- James Ferguson
"Scoble is an egotistical fatso."
- Gordon Herd
Scoble is an egotistical fatso [edit] Happy holidays Robert.
- AJ Kohn
I'm not sure that would be polite.
- Mistletoe Glen
Scoble is an egotistical fatso.
- scott willeke
Scoble is an egotistical fatso
- Thom Kennon
"Scoble is an egotistical fatso."
- Tim Chemacki
Scoble is an egotistical fatso.
- Antonio Burzio
"Scoble is an egotistical fatso."
- Michael R. Bernstein
Why don't you just donate the $100 without the grandstanding?
- Brian Sullivan
@briansullivan because "Scoble is an egotistical fatso."
- Mihai Secasiu
"Scoble is an egotistical fatso." +$1.0
- Nir Ben Yona
Scoble is an egotistical fatso.
- Joe
Scoble is an egotistical fatso. I don't feel good saying that, but anything for a good cause.
- Howard Keziah
Omg Scoble is a kind hearted egotistical fatso :)
- Jeunelle Foster
Brian: to have some fun. I was bored waiting for the surfers to pick me up early this morning. Shoot me.
- Robert Scoble
Scoble is an egotistical fatso
- Morgan Haley
Scoble is an egotistical fatso
- Georgia Diehl
I've been saying "Scoble is an egotistical fatso" for a couple of years now :-D
- jcunwired
"Scoble is an egotistical fatso."
- Wang Yip
Here's to hoping "egotistical fatso", as in "Scoble is an egotistical fatso" soon leads Googlers here--and they give to the food bank, too.
- Pierce Presley
Alright man, you asked for it, you got it... Scoble is an egotistical fatso (not that I necessarily believe that... #justsayin)
- Aaron Strout
Scoble is an egotistical fatso.
- Aaron Draczynski
"Scoble is an egotistical fatso."
- suzanne
Check out the #1 algo listing.... http://www.google.com/search...
- Thom Kennon
Robert Scoble is an egotistical fatso
- VAL D. Zone
System.out.println("Scoble is an egotistical fatso.");
- imabonehead
Bone, place it in a loop :)
- Mo Kargas
Per Mo's request, for (int i = 0; i < 100; i++) { System.out.println("Scoble is an egotistical fatso."); } :D
- imabonehead
Niiiice :)
- Mo Kargas
It is too late for this dialog. Robert Scoble is not an egotistical fatso. :) :) :)
- ashish
"Scoble is an egotistical fatso." Now, get that that loot to the food bank, stat!
- Mathew A. Koeneker
"Scoble is an egotistical fatso". And now even I am in a good mood. I guess speaking the truth helps :D
- Pallab
'Scoble is an egotistical fatso' .. Hear, hear, written for a good cause only. I'm sure Scoble is not even near that quote : )
- liladreams
Scoble è un ciccione egoista.
- Ted Gilchrist
Scoble is an egotistical fatso
- sirishkumar
This thread is awesome!
- Trish R
Scoble is an egotistical fatso
- sirishkumar
Robert Scoble says that "Scoble is an egotistical fatso".
- Victor Ryden
'Scoble is an egotistical fatso': no, but he has his moments ;)
- Jon Saville
Scoble is an egotistical fatso. #sffoodbank
- Baroness Von SmashAHomie
And you thought FriendFeed was doing bad - check out Google Reader:
Paul Harvey, Mitchell Tsai, practicehacker and 59 other people liked this
Regarding FriendFeed's numbers, be sure to see here: http://staynalive.com/article...
- Jesse Stay
I forget to use Google Reader. I prefer FF
- Mike Nencetti
Also see: http://friendfeed.com/jessest...
- Jesse Stay
Isn't that because the URL most people use for Google Reader is http://www.google.com/reader ?
- Ken Sheppardson
Ken is right. I always use http://www.google.com/reader. You can also get feeds on http://www.google.com/ig/ Jesse, it's time for you to retire from stats mayhem.
- Louis Gray
Remember, 65.4% of all stats are made up on the spot.
- Ken Sheppardson
i use google.com/reader too
- Jeff (the マクダジ of FF)
Web 1.0 is to Web 2.0 as Alexa is to Compete.
- AJ Kohn
There will also be users coming from other countries like us here (google.ca/reader).
- Merry Xmas FFeeders - AJ
Louis, I'm simply sharing the same type of stats you did with FriendFeed. Who shall retire first?
- Jesse Stay
Louis shared stats for FriendFeed using the wrong URL?
- Ken Sheppardson
Ken, http://reader.google.com is how I access Google Reader
- Jesse Stay
See how it redirects to www.google.com/reader?
- Ken Sheppardson
Ken, my point is Louis's stats mean as much as mine do - there are way more factors that go into this, I agree
- Jesse Stay
Jesse, without demeaning you personally, this is false and ridiculous. FriendFeed is a domain, a specific one, and I chose the primary domain. Google Reader is a subdomain or directory, and you chose the one that, as you show, nobody uses. The Alexa data you showed for FriendFeed illustrated something that nobody is experiencing. This isn't gamesmanship. It's just wrong, again.
- Louis Gray
I have a hard time understanding the fights and points Jesse chooses to get into.....just baffling.
- Matthew DeVries
So let's take this constructively - what's a better way of comparing the two if http://reader.google.com is a bad way?
- Jesse Stay
Neither.... it's apples and oranges.
- Jason Williams
Jason - considering some use FriendFeed as a replacement for Google Reader it's not apples and oranges - they're competition.
- Jesse Stay
Really? Why on earth would anyone use FF over Reader? FF complements Reader but shouldn't supplant it. Is there really a constructive way to read rss feeds here?
- Jason Williams
Jason, many people do that - it always comes out when Scoble is threatening to leave Reader. It's also why your FriendFeed stats now show up with your Feedburner stats.
- Jesse Stay
looks like we gotta get louis to work more hours to get that chart moving in the right direction!
- Allen Stern
Amen Allen (that's the spirit)! I'd love to see more stability and more focus on core functionality, not the social features. More stats, more organizational tools, more sharing tools. Better UI. Less bugs. I would use it more if that were the case.
- Jesse Stay
Give me a better way to manage thousands of items a day and I'll read thousands of items a day. For now I've had to reduce my use due to how bulky and hard-to-manage it all is.
- Jesse Stay
for the record i rarely to never use google reader.
- Allen Stern
when friendfeed shows me full content RSS feeds instead of just title links, let me know. until then, I'll keep using Google Reader. that's the same notion that twitter is a replacement for it. I get it but it doesn't work for me.
- Bill Kinney
Jesse knows that I read more than 1,000 items per day and am connected to more than 1,000 people via shared item feeds. The graph above is not valid. Google Reader is a great complement to FriendFeed, and always has been. It's the vast majority of my feed. Reader is also, very flexibly, able to share to different sites, including Twitter and Facebook.
- Louis Gray
Yes, Bill. Jesse is just grumpy today. :) He knows better than to post data without any substance and try and get a faux argument going. He also is tempting me to post a SocialToo traffic chart and compare it to Twitter. :)
- Louis Gray
i think that louis and jesse need a "time out" - both of you to your respective corners for a juice box
- Allen Stern
No way, Allen! Not when there are great injustices in this world! :)
- Louis Gray
louis i just sat through 4 hrs of city council hearings at city hall - not once did google reader or friendfeed come up :)
- Allen Stern
Jesse, the difference is that Readers traffic isn't dependent on who else is also using it. As much as Google would like it to be, it's not a social tool. I can get my FF feed in Reader but not vice versa. Do you really get your "news" from FF? It's the same thing with Twitter. People try to make it a RSS replacement but it isn't no matter how much you want it to be. 140 characters might be ok for links and quick social commentary but in depth news, not so much.
- Jason Williams
Allen, but they did mention a series of tubes, at least in passing I'm sure :)
- Micah Wittman
*thinks of how to talk Jesse down from the ledge...* Jesse, Hi :) At best you are criticizing conventional wisdom web statistics in general and mixing it with a clearly flawed swipe at Reader. ### Now, carefully, come back from the precipice and live to fight another day.
- Micah Wittman
You guys are all proving my point - that this argument is just as crazy a claim as this one is here: http://friendfeed.com/louisgr... - you can't trust stats
- Jesse Stay
I use Feedly, which is off the back of Google Reader
- Ian May
Jesse, nobody has proven your point. The only point that has been made is that you made a mistake and tried to draw a parallel, and you failed.
- Louis Gray
Of course you can trust stats, Jesse. You just have to understand how they were collected, what they mean, and not try to use them to support some completely unrelated hypothesis. I've seen two graphs of US and global FriendFeed visitor stats that support two different statements... that US usage is down and global usage is up, respectively. The graph you've created for reader.google.com is irrelevant and immaterial, for reasons given above.
- Ken Sheppardson
I could be wrong, but a certain someone who pronounced FF as dead cited that new features in GR were going to kill it. Just sayin'. Also just sayin' - I'm with Louis on this one. The combination of Google Reader and Friendfeed have changed the game for me, bigtime.
- jcunwired
Surely not.
- Will Higgins™
I'm probably in the minority but I have replaced Google Reader with FriendFeed. Pretty much for discussions like this one. I'm not sure I find the same value in Reader, I tend to bookmark and re-visit the same sites anyway. FriendFeed brings something to the table that a bookmark just doesn't. Reader, not so much. At least not for me.
- Mark Davidson
from BuddyFeed
We need a UFC match between Louis Gray and Jesse Stay. The 9-lettered names of mayhem!
- beersage
I'd like to append my last post with, I still scan GR, so the previous comments about using GR and FF together as a powerful combination--in practice, if not in heart--I'm in agreement with.
- Mark Davidson
from BuddyFeed
See what happens when I stayed in GReader (and some Twitter) all day, I missed a good thread. I read/skim a little over 1,000 posts a day, I'm not sure if I read more than Louis (42,597 items in last 30 days) but it's my information center. Friendfeed use to be my place for discussions around the news, since engagement has dropped here (for me at least), I've moved back to Twitter for a fraction of that engagement (FB for friends/coworkers/family).
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
I never knew there was a reader.google.com
- Richard Lawler
Almost all of Google's (non-acquired) properties can do both whatever.google.com and google.com/whatever which is very smart actually.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
On the subject, I must thank Louis, Jesse and many others that act as filters on GReader BTW. When I don't have time to go through the bulk, these guys help bring the cream to the top. I try to do my part in filtering for others but I feel that it's a team effort to bring the signal to others as automated filters aren't smart enough (yet).
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Funny, I cut back on my usage of both services and the graph goes down. You can blame Scoble now. I don't use Google Reader anymore.
- Robert Scoble
Don't talk about yourself in the third person.
- Mark
I blame Scoble for the drop in the Twitter chart as well then. <smirk>
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
My use has gone down significantly and I'm seriously looking for the perfect solution to replace it. Hoping Seesmic or Tweetie or Tweetdeck do that soon. See: http://staynalive.com/article...
- Jesse Stay
I now know Louis's Kryptonite - criticize Google Reader ;-)
- Jesse Stay
Robert, please don't leave Gmail, because I still need that. Thanks.
- Mark Davidson
from BuddyFeed
Jesse - I agree with your April blog post 100%. I also want to mention that Google Alerts is also a helpful tool for monitoring blog posts. (And without a doubt, most of us use it.)
- Mark Davidson
from BuddyFeed
Jesse, kryptonite would weaken someone if it were their personal poison. I am not weakened by your inaccuracies and stubbornness. :)
- Louis Gray
Anyone know what Feedly's numbers are??
- Roberto Bonini
it is still my best organic conversational real time tool...
- Yann Ropars
Feedly is actually down 11% in Nov as well. http://siteanalytics.compete.com/feedly...
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Is this a trend?? The holiday season and all?? What about Feedburner stats?? If RSS usage (i.e for RSS clients) is in decline (unlikely) it would show up there.
- Roberto Bonini
manieles: feedly's content is generated dynamically in the browser so the metrics you are pointing to are just metrics of our blog (most users download feedly from the mozilla (and now chrome) sites. 2009 was a good year for feedly: we grew 1,527% from Dec 08 until Dec 09. http://twitter.com/edwk...
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Ah, I guess that makes my comment above moot. There goes that theory.
- Roberto Bonini
Sorry Edwin, just like reader.google.com the compete numbers don't show the story of true use.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
No problem Mark (it happens a lot). Roberto: Feedly is still relatively a niche service compared to Friendfeed and Google Reader so your theory could be correct. I do not have visibility into the Google Reader usage information but I can say that the underlying infrastructure keeps on getting better and innovating at a very fast pace. They have the foundation for a distributed...
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- Edwin Khodabakchian
Sounds like what I said about FriendFeed :-)
- Jesse Stay
Jesse: Friendfeed is down but they are not dead. It all depends on if Facebook will decide to invest and move the service forward or not. If they do not, at some point Twitter and Facebook will have a super set of the friendfeed features and at that point their will be no turn around possible. Friendfeed sold out too early.
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Edwin, Jesse is having an off day. Feedly is doing fantastically. Google Reader continues to have the #1 position in RSS and things are flourishing with their social features. FriendFeed has great technology and a fantastic community, but stalled momentum. Jesse should be in better form in about 5-7 days.
- Louis Gray
Jesse are you sick *again*? I told you to eat more bacon! :-)
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Would be interesting to see a metric that measures total number of posts having comments and likes versus total posts and compare that to the "glory days" of Friendfeed. How much different is the engagement now?
- Steve
Louis is basing his "FriendFeed is down" on faulty stats - that's the point of this thread. FriendFeed's just fine: http://staynalive.com/article... - I agree Reader and RSS are fine. So is FriendFeed.
- Jesse Stay
Steve, you can always use FriendFeed's advanced search to find 100 comments and likes posts.
- Louis Gray
Jesse, discussing this with you is getting boring. That post was wrong and based on data even worse than the public information I used.
- Louis Gray
Nothing on the Internet is dead until the servers are unplugged and the information is not cached elsewhere. There could be 1 unique user on a site and it still could be very useful for that one person.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Mark, that's correct. I covered that when I said I would still find value if I were the last FriendFeeder. What's frustrating about this nonsense of a thread is that Jesse made a mistake with his graph and continues to stand by it.
- Louis Gray
As did Louis (I'm not standing by this graph - I was making a point), and he continues to stand by his (about FriendFeed traffic being down)
- Jesse Stay
Because it is down.
- Louis Gray
Louis, if you think my post is wrong, how about a post proving my points wrong
- Jesse Stay
:-)
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
It is a waste of time. It also does not benefit me or the community to make high visibility of negativity around this site. That's why I posted what I did here previously, also knowing it tends to be written about and spun by other blogs.
- Louis Gray
I don't think Louis believes his graph is wrong - who's the stubborn one? ;-)
- Jesse Stay
Congratulates Jesse and his graph for making my best of day on FF. I am not a fan of Google reader. the graph looks accurate to me and the feedback I see of GR.
- Mike Nencetti
Jesse: I am confused. It seems that the point you are trying to make is that graphs are wrong in general and that both friendfeed and RSS are fine. Is that correct?
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Edwin, correct
- Jesse Stay
Jesse, I believe that Compete.com data is not perfect, but it is the best publicly available data that we have. I also believe that the trends it portrays about this specific site are 100% accurate. Your data showing Google Reader at zero is laughable and an embarrassment to your reputation.
- Louis Gray
Mike, this didn't make "best of day". It made "most obtuse of the day". :)
- Louis Gray
Jesse: which metric would you use to determine if friendfeed as a service is up or down?
- Edwin Khodabakchian
It is not showing it at 0 - it is showing it at very low.
- Jesse Stay
Google Reader's traffic is hidden within www.google.com's data. Dare I add iGoogle for RSS feeds into that picture as well. However, Friendfeed's traffic is not hidden (for US Traffic) in Compete's numbers.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Jesse relied on Alexa data (which is the ugly stepsister of Compete.com), and he suggested that Bret Taylor's graph showing a higher percentage of international users suggested growth, when, more accurately, it portrayed that US visitors fell away at a dramatic rate.
- Louis Gray
Louis: May be you and Jesse are looking at this from different angle and are both right
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Nah. Edwin, I will always support good data. :) This is bad data.
- Louis Gray
Quantcast shows a similar decline. Every service that is respected shows a decline. http://www.quantcast.com/friendf...
- Louis Gray
Louis, I never denied yours was based on US data. My point was FriendFeed was not down, which you claimed it to be.
- Jesse Stay
May be Friendfeed has a lot more persian users which are less active but nevertheless users. But over all Friendfeed has a lot less momentum and engagement because the early adopters have moved to twitter
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Jesse, I continue to claim that global traffic worldwide, including US and non-US traffic is down, period. And even if you were right, turning this into Orkut or Friendster is not a thing to be proud of.
- Louis Gray
Jess: the problem is that down is not as important as momemtum and innovation.
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Louis, again, you're showing the wrong state re: Quantcast - click the "all" link and you'll see something more reflective. They're down in the short-term (at least in the US), but not in the long-term.
- Jesse Stay
There' nothing wrong with Alexa from a world view. Just don't mix numbers between Compete, Quantcast and Alexa. Compete clearly shows the US usage has dropped.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Louis, I never turned this into a comparison of Orkut and Friendster - where is this coming from?
- Jesse Stay
Jesse, the short term is the start of the long term. You know better than this.
- Louis Gray
I am. Those are sites dominated by non-US visitors, contrasted with Facebook and Twitter.
- Louis Gray
Louis, I disagree the short-term is the start of the long term
- Jesse Stay
Jesse: One simpler question for you: do you think that there is a chance for friendfeed to regain momentum and flourish without an engineering team behind it?
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Edwin, absolutely, but I think there will be an engineering team behind it eventually
- Jesse Stay
and there is an engineering team behind it currently, or it would not be able to handle the current traffic.
- Jesse Stay
Hmm. Do you have another example to point us to? Where will the engineering come from eventually?
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Edwin, Facebook
- Jesse Stay
Friendfeed is clearly transforming. It may gain momentum for a while until 'other services' catch up. However once a better wheel is made...
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
I think that you are fooling yourself
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Edwin, absolutely not - there are numbers to prove it - whether it's still FriendFeed or transforms into Facebook, it will still be around, and serving way more than it is now.
- Jesse Stay
Facebook wanted the brainpower and that brainpower is not integrated into other facebook projects
- Edwin Khodabakchian
That brainpower is still keeping FriendFeed running at the same time
- Jesse Stay
Here again. I think that you are fooling yourself
- Edwin Khodabakchian
That brainpower still believes in FriendFeed
- Jesse Stay
Jesse, I would listen to Edwin, and Matthew Davies, and almost everyone else in this thread.
- Louis Gray
Facebook is in a hyper competitive space, those brains are working 150% on facebook projects
- Edwin Khodabakchian
You can clearly see that the FF team is porting features into FB, they are attempting to have a friend of a friend system similar to FF. IF THEY SUCCEED, FB has become Friendfeed.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Jesse, Bret is VP of Products at Facebook and working on Connect and the dev community which reaches 100x+ more people than FriendFeed does.
- Louis Gray
Louis I didn't say FriendFeed wouldn't transform into Facebook. I did say it wasn't going away and it would continue growing.
- Jesse Stay
But it is not growing, and that entire argument is dead right there.
- Louis Gray
It is growing, your argument is dead.
- Jesse Stay
I think that you are right that it is going to stay (that is a low hanging fruit) and it might grow in some geographies (like it does in Iran because of the network effect) and because it was ahead of its time in terms of conversation, the erosion will take longer but there is no doubt that with no engineering, it is a dead end.
- Edwin Khodabakchian
AOL is not growing but it's hardly dead. Wait, I'm on Louis's side on this...
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
AOL is investing massively to survive
- Edwin Khodabakchian
AOL is apples and oranges - if Facebook stops growing you can start comparing it to AOL.
- Jesse Stay
Mark, that's fine. I don't think there are sides. There's what's correct, and whatever Jesse is doing.
- Louis Gray
Or whatever Louis is doing - he seems to think he's correct, which he's not (now this is getting repetitive)
- Jesse Stay
Too bad the friendfeed team did not believe in friendfeed the same way Jess believes in Friendfeed!
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Edwin, the FriendFeed team saw what we all see and sold at the right time for a fantastic opportunity.
- Louis Gray
I will agree to disagree with Louis - that's about the only way I'm backing down on this. I believe passionately in FriendFeed, and I see no reason it's dying.
- Jesse Stay
Edwin look at how much the FriendFeed team uses FriendFeed - they still believe passionately in the service. They believe so as much as I do.
- Jesse Stay
(and I never said it was dying, nor did I say I don't believe in what was built here) Go find me saying that anywhere.
- Louis Gray
Jesse: would you have sold to friendfeed?
- Edwin Khodabakchian
I don't get what you are saying Louis - what is your argument?
- Jesse Stay
Start from the top. (And read your DMs). The graph you show here has zero validity and it is in no way relevant to the graph you are discussing from last week, period.
- Louis Gray
All I know is that public statistics lie. Paul B knows the real answer for FF, as does Jeff Huber for GReader stats.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Okay, so your argument is that FriendFeed is declining - isn't that the same as dying?
- Jesse Stay
If you get the flu, do you always die, Jesse?
- Louis Gray
If you lose 20 pounds, is it guaranteed that you will eventually hit zero?
- Louis Gray
Louis, okay, whatever - I see no reason it's declining
- Jesse Stay
Then you are being naive and ignoring all the public data, plus anecdotal data from this site itself.
- Louis Gray
The FF sale is more than a flu, it's a handicap scenario. It makes it harder to see a perfect future.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Louis: I am not sure that facebook was/is a fantastic opportunity for the friendfeed team. Facebook connect is awesome but this space is still at its infancy and I am not sure that the centralized facebook/twitter model will be the model of the future. Friendfeed had the advantage of understanding search really well and being distributed at its core - great asset!
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Louis, not naive at all - I shared the public data publicly on my blog, showing backed evidence the site is still growing. Where's your rebuttal? Do I have to show this again?: http://staynalive.com/article...
- Jesse Stay
Using your links in your article, Jesse, Quantcast topped out in August and has fallen significantly since. And we already noted that the Alexa data, which is the outlier, shows a small upward trend.
- Louis Gray
Louis, your argument is it's falling short-term. My argument is that it's growing long-term. My data supports that. I'm definitely not naive and frankly I'm beginning to be offended you're calling me that.
- Jesse Stay
OK. Good discussion. I think that Louis and Jess should go get a beer and huge each other. Time to go write some code!
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Yes, if you put the calendar back far enough, the trajectory is upward. Of course it is. And Edwin, I can't get Jesse to drink beer.
- Louis Gray
Great, then we agree
- Jesse Stay
I agree that if you go over a 2 year calendar, traffic to FriendFeed has increased.
- Louis Gray
I guess I missed something... I've seen (1) Quantcast and Compete charts of US reach/visitors which says domestic use is down (2) an Alexa chart that says international use is up (3) a comment and accompanying chart from Bret saying "international growth has started to completely dominate since August (4) a pretty significant shift in the FFholic Most Active user list to international users, and (5) lots of anecdotal evidence from English-speaking users saying they've seen reduced (or stable) activity.
- Ken Sheppardson
...is somebody taking exception to any of those observations?
- Ken Sheppardson
Nope. Agreed, Ken.
- Louis Gray
But the entire thread originated with the Google Reader flat line, which was a mistake.
- Louis Gray
Yeah, I think everybody's just trying to ignore that at this point ;-)
- Ken Sheppardson
I just don't get why Jesse's trying to make this you-can't-believe-stats/charts argument. I think there's something in my list of 5 point that Jesse thinks is wrong.
- Ken Sheppardson
Jesse doesn't believe the Compete or Quantcast data showing a decline.
- Louis Gray
I don't think I ever agreed the above graph was correct - it was put there to show a point
- Jesse Stay
So you believe US usage is up, or not declining, Jesse?
- Ken Sheppardson
Ken, I didn't mean you can't believe them - I mean they can often be deceptive
- Jesse Stay
Which is amusing, because the blue line here is identical to the same blue line I posted last week.
- Louis Gray
My head hurts.
- Ken Sheppardson
I thought I'd post it up against the same deceptive result so we were on the same terms
- Jesse Stay
Jesse - Next time use a red line .... :)
- Charlie Anzman
Sigh. I could also show a graph that over the last 120 years, GM sales are way up, and compare that to the sale of unicycles.
- Louis Gray
Just laughed out loud at that one Louis
- Hutch Carpenter
Damn, you mean Unicycles sales are up right now? Tomorrow is free shipping day.... :-)
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Are you saying Google Reader is like a Unicycle?
- Jesse Stay
Nope.
- Louis Gray
So Google Reader is going to be like GM?
- Jesse Stay
Ah... sorry... a light bulb just went off... showing a chart that shows US traffic is declining is deceptive in that some people who look at it might conclude that's overall activity, when in fact total, world-wide activity is steady or increasing.
- Ken Sheppardson
That's one of Jesse's theories, Ken. (Still doesn't explain the Google Reader non-sequitir)
- Louis Gray
If Google Reader is like a Unicycle, it's like the Honda's U3-X..... a very cool one!
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
I'm starting to piece this together... so showing reader.google.com traffic is declining when in fact total Reader traffic is up... ?
- Ken Sheppardson
Ken, correct
- Jesse Stay
reader.google.com is a domain nobody uses. Reader traffic is unknown, but certainly not the flat line displayed here.
- Louis Gray
Louis, I use reader.google.com
- Jesse Stay
I'd agree with that theory. The World growth is outpacing US internet growth.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
I just took a look at the graph at http://www.alexa.com/siteinf... Turns out that although international reach is up as shown in your graph, Jesse, Alexa shows a 20% or so decrease in their pageview graph since the peak near August. More users spending less time...
- Ken Sheppardson
Ken, that is short-term though, which was another point of mine. Long-term they still have an upward trend. It is still much too early to determine if they are declining yet. Maybe in 6 months you guys can all show me I'm wrong.
- Jesse Stay
Facebook bought FF in Aug, that throws a trendline in completely different direction. It's an inflection point.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Mark, FF took a dip after that, but they recovered and went even higher than before the FF acquisition. I wouldn't call that an inflection point.
- Jesse Stay
Which chart shows traffic higher than before the acquisition (not counting the spike after due to curious people who never heard of FF before they read it)? Are you looking at Alexa's "Reach"?
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Yes, Mark... Alexa's chart of international reach shows that the % of worldwide internet users who are visiting FriendFeed is up. It's also the 47th most popular site in Turkey, 227th in Italy, and 412th in Pakistan. :-)
- Ken Sheppardson
Mark, correct, which is more accurate because it compares visitors globally, not just US
- Jesse Stay
In fact Alexa says 20.7% users are from the US and 20.6% are from Turkey, and another 20% or so from Italy, Japan, and India combined.
- Ken Sheppardson
Right but the question would be what were those percentages between countries back in August? A shift in demographics needs to be adjusted by online population in those countries.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
There's roughly 74M people in Turkey. For every 1% drop in US visits, about 4% would automatically gain for Turkey in the Pie Chart without a single new user in growth.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
I don't believe they're breaking out the % of users in each country that are visiting FriendFeed, they're talking about what % of FriendFeed users are coming from each country.
- Ken Sheppardson
Ken is correct.
- Louis Gray
Strongly Disagree. Look at my coupon work site: RedPlum.com 92.2% are from the US. I highly doubt I have that much audience but I'd love for it to be true.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Disagree with what, Mark? That stat means for every 100 people who visit your site, 92 are from the US.
- Ken Sheppardson
Sorry, I misunderstood your comment. It's a pie of % of FF visitors are coming from which country. We are on same page.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Yeah, sorry... I switched from "reach" to the user breakdown midstream there.
- Ken Sheppardson
So as I was saying, a 1% drop in US visits moves Turkey up 4% when you factor populations and no new additions.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
To tie that together with Compete's US view, the US audience dropped 20% in last 90 days so Turkey would naturally rise in the pie chart regardless of new user growth from that country.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Actually digging that information a bit more, only 21.1% of the Turkey population uses the internet so the spread would widen even further.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
wow
- ★ Soner Gönül
Interesting......
- Keith Griffiths
What a ridiculous discussion! It has already been said: the stats are apples and oranges. Let's look at the comparative numbers for internet users who are brain-dead versus those who can type. It would appear graduation from grade school bans internet access.
- Douglas Hopkins
Facebook hurts !
- Desirade
Yeah, don't bother. Senestezi is spamming.
- Ken Sheppardson
Cool @chrispirillo is now onstage at http://www.lewebparis.com
You lucky, lucky people.
- Mark
If I told you what Google is announcing I'd have to kill you. Or, rather, they would kill me (we're all embargoed until 7 p.m. PST tonight).
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And Arrington hasn't blogged it yet?
- MVB (Grinch of FF)
Doesn't an embargo usually also include not telling anyone you know what they are announcing?
- Rachel Lea Fox
release the information you big girl
- Mark
How 'bout EST ?? :)
- Charlie Anzman
Scooped? http://www.techcrunch.com/2009...
- Kevin Fox
Is it Vevo? Launching tonight.
- ashish
embargo is widely broken
- Mark
I heard Myspace is buying Google! There's your scoop
- shaun mclane
Live now: MacBreak Weekly 170 with Andy Ihnatko and the triumphant return of Scott Bourne. http://live.twit.tv Discuss here....
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Apple purchases LaLa for engineering talent, LaLa approached Apple after deciding they would never be profitable http://www.nytimes.com/2009... Apple purchases LaLa for 17 million, not 80 million as initially reported http://www.techcrunch.com/2009... Apple rejects 32nm Arrandale...
more...
- Joshua Waire
Tease: Apple buys Lala, AT&T sucks, but there's an app for that, and the new Mac Pros are here...
- Leo Laporte
Thanks for the link to RueLaLa.com
- John Durham
Scott has 'people' :)
- Johnny Worthington
Leo's Tommy Bahama shirt was just $39 at Rue La La. Join now and it's $10 for me and $10 for you: http://www.ruelala.com/invite...
- Leo Laporte
macbreak dev is my fav!
- Uğur vigo Özyılmazel
from iPhone
Kind of like the old MP3
- John Durham
Joshua: I never thought of putting all the links in one post. haha. :] me==idiot
- sunkenplanet
Has Bourne lost weight ?
- Mark
Sure looks like it to me
- Mark
Looks like what Robert Conrad used for mini-series "Centinnel" - James Michener
- John Durham
Rathoooolee. 43 folders of rathoooole. the weekly macbreak in rathooooole. totally offtopic rathole.
- sunkenplanet
Leo, please tell the Robert Conrad story...
- John Durham
According to this article in PC Mag http://www.pcmag.com/article... the Crunchpad is now the JooJoo. It goes onto say that Arrington and Rathakrishnan only had a verbal agreement and some promises from Arrington never materialized...
- Johnny Worthington
$500 for an off-brand Atom-powered OS/hardware table => DOA
- Ken Sheppardson
$500 for something out first...
- Johnny Worthington
How much did the iPhone cost?
- Johnny Worthington
Merlin twittered: When you're done suing over the CrunchPad, could you also get me the twelve bucks I lost to that Three-Card Monte guy in 1989? TIA. http://twitter.com/hotdogs...
- sunkenplanet
iPhone was Apple
- Ken Sheppardson
Brand matters.
- Ken Sheppardson
Did brand matter before the iPhone was launched? My sister wants an iPhone cause it's an iPhone, not cause it's Apple.
- Johnny Worthington
You just heard him in the video, Leo. He doesn't have an accent.
- Ken Sheppardson
Jeez...
- Ken Sheppardson
JooJoo... Isn't that a chewy gummi-based sweet?
- Johnny Worthington
My son works for the Defense Language Institute, he can help with your accents...:-)
- John Durham
6-12 months there'll be a dozen ChromeOS 12" tablets in this space at <$300. ...on the low end, that is. Off-brand. Plus the Apple premium offering
- Ken Sheppardson
The OS just is not proven...good luck with that...
- John Durham
In 6 months... How much do they have to sell to be profitable
- Johnny Worthington
I'm not sure I WANT a tablet.
- sunkenplanet
I want one for $200. I don't want one for $500.
- Ken Sheppardson
The Chosen Pad
- Ken Sheppardson
^--- Show title
- Ken Sheppardson
LEO: Please play the RATHOLE theme. :D
- sunkenplanet
This whole show is a rathole, sunken. That's why we like it :-)
- Ken Sheppardson
The DLI is only in Monterrey,...
- John Durham
For sure Ken, I love the theme though. haha
- sunkenplanet
Joo Joo - Sounds like candy
- Mike Davis
JooJoo, Nook, Google, Bing. As Paul said on WW, this is pretty crazy. haha
- sunkenplanet
LIke the Roku...most of the fans from MBW can find your shows...but the Roku is great for the average person.
- John Durham
Where is Merlin? "In case of emergency break glass" Get him back on the show. My ears are on fire.
- Michael K
It wouldn't surprise me to see a resurected CrunchPad in 2010 ... a subsidized, commodity ChromeOS tablet. All the carriers could have subsidized tablets with WWAN... Wall Street Journal, NYT... could all distributed subsidized devices
- Ken Sheppardson
Their own version of the Kindle, essentially
- Ken Sheppardson
ChromeOS... or Android
- Ken Sheppardson
I have a box of empty envelopes I'd sell for $600
- Ken Sheppardson
I think the Kindle will still have a place...not everyone (geeks like us) wants something that has access to everything. ha ha..
- John Durham
I have a jar with coins. :P
- sunkenplanet
I have a clipboard with a mock up of the iTablet...
- John Durham
I went to a concert 2 weeks ago (Pearl Jam = 30,000+) and the 3G service crashed. The amount of iPhones I saw was crazy.
- Johnny Worthington
If other networks got the iPhone, stuff like the Droid would tank. Most people don't care about free and open.
- Johnny Worthington
Tablet Mockup?? http://www.innovationsinnewspapers.com/wp...
- Damon Knight
The same thing happened at MacWorld last year..coverage was ...well no coverage.
- John Durham
If you have no service, how does log the spot?
- Johnny Worthington
That is the picture I have taped to my clipboard.
- John Durham
I mean............... it's not a bad idea... at least they're tying... kinda
- Johnny Worthington
Like when the TWiT Army crashes website...
- John Durham
You can't update hardware with a patch
- Johnny Worthington
What kind of Macbook to start my 14 year old geeky son with for Chanukah?
- Elly Tucker
Droid site is rather cool - http://phones.verizonwireless.com/motorol...
- Damon Knight
I think they did it to stop having the list flooded with major brands... '1 network each' kinda thing
- Johnny Worthington
Leo, I have a question about Ford Sync and multiple phones. Can you only pair 1 phone at a time? If you can pair 2, what happens when 1 rings?
- Johnny Worthington
"The Sync also has support for multiple phones, up to twelve per unit to be exact. If more than one phone is present at one time in the car, the Sync will attempt connection with the accounts primary phone and then will switch to another linked phone as needed." -- http://www.bluetomorrow.com/bluetoo...
- Ken Sheppardson
Cool, thanks Ken
- Johnny Worthington
Although I'm not sure what "as needed" means... whether that means when a new call comes in, or when the primary phone isn't present and it needs an outbound connection...
- Ken Sheppardson
Jeans and black turtleneck :-)
- Ken Sheppardson
Pretty sure this is pre-operation... They just approved it
- Johnny Worthington
COST??!!? Scott Bourne cares not for money!
- Johnny Worthington
32GB RAM? You could probably run Twitter on that box.
- Ken Sheppardson
Leo, all the time. I have so many 'Dream Machines' in my cart
- Johnny Worthington
Get a few screens too
- Johnny Worthington
3x 30"...
- Ken Sheppardson
Does it come with Office?
- Johnny Worthington
OpenOffice?
- John Durham
Apple mousepad?
- Ken Sheppardson
I hope I still get those little Apple stickers... I love those
- Johnny Worthington
So Scott could've bought 55 Dell Mini 9s instead...
- Ken Sheppardson
Leo, your set has changed so much after my visit to the cottage...no Skpyesarus..new camera, mikes,... Episode 89 Windows Weekly..
- John Durham
Ken, I would get the Inspiron Zino HD Desktops
- Johnny Worthington
I really think a tablet is not coming from Apple in 2010.
- Chris Charlton
Leo needs a tool that links his donations to the Apple checkout process automatically... people donate $X, he automatically gets a new Mac
- Ken Sheppardson
Apple Told To Pay Patent Troll OPTi $21.7 Million (AAPL) http://www.businessinsider.com/apple-t...
- sunkenplanet
I GOT IT... Andy looks like he is from A Christmas Carol
- Johnny Worthington
Johnny..doesn't it just have an Atom processor?
- John Durham
leo cover this simply for the title innuendo and the picture included haha :D New iPod Touch POS May Go Commercial http://www.ifoapplestore.com/db...
- sunkenplanet
You could build quite a cluster with ~30-50 Atom boxes :-)
- Ken Sheppardson
I got Dr Seuss for my daughter
- Johnny Worthington
Remind me not to play him in Scrabble...
- Johnny Worthington
Ooooooooooooooooooooooww... That's cool!
- Johnny Worthington
How you look behind the camera means little in front of the camera :P
- Johnny Worthington
NEW! SHINY!
- Johnny Worthington
Speaking of stories...how about the Robert Conrad story?
- John Durham
So I leave my Pre on the Touchstone inductive charger most of the time... couldn't key off that. I wonder if somebody makes a little BT dongle that you can just put on your keychain for this...
- Ken Sheppardson
I like Chrome cause it isn't a 'browser'... it just shows what I am looking at
- Johnny Worthington
AMEN! AMEN! AMEN! AMEN! AMEN! AMEN! AMEN! AMEN! AMEN!
- Jeremy (on vacation)
It's a bargain for quality
- Johnny Worthington
5am Eastern Australian Time
- Johnny Worthington
Robert Conrad story...
- John Durham
5am? A really devoted TWiT listener :)
- Ken Morley
"The Chosen Pad - Ken Sheppardson"
- Johnny Worthington
Some JooJoo reference...
- Ken Sheppardson
55 Dell Minis
- John Durham
Cup
- Johnny Worthington
Bourne a JooJoo
- Ken Sheppardson
It is the Holiday Season, Joo Joo, La La, La La
- John Durham
YUP GOOD SHOW ANY know jingel bells
- daveccorey
RSS for BitTorrent, and other developments - http://www.scripting.com/stories...
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Why are you so interested in helping improve bit torrent? I bet 95% of all bit torrent usage is copyright violation and the rest is "linux distros". hehe.
- Mark
Just rode the bus next to the worst smelling person in my life. It was a woman & she was pounding vodka.
Eric Geller, George Brickner, echostreamer and Mitch liked this
Yay! Someone else smells worse than me! THANK GOD FOR VODKA!
- Pete Delucchi
Get out the mask. Peeee-ewwwwww!
- Dave Friedel
if vodka smells bad, I don't want to smell right
- echostreamer
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I still don't get what TWiT is. I listened to that NSFW show for 5 minutes, where they're making "cock" and "dick" jokes, and I say "boy there's alot of penis jokes in here"... poof, kicked out of IRC. Is TWiT a family friendly network, or is it an edgy network? It cannot be both or nobody will watch it at all.
- Dave Friedel
I really like that TWiT has a good variety of shows now. Like any network not every show has to be for everybody.
- Joe Pierce
By that logic Dave, most networks would fail because on TV they have adult content at night time.
- Mark
No, it's that they're sitting there saying those words over and over, but not allowing viewers to say them. So it's okay for the hosts to say it, but not the chat room? It sucks.
- Dave Friedel
Dave, I have exactly the same stance. I like the content but am frustrated with the total over-zealousness of the chat mods.
- Eric Geller
Yeah, it's like do they want participation or not? Don't have an R-rated show then boot people out of the chat room for something that wasn't even a profanity whatsoever. Their mods need to maybe get a clue what the audience is so they don't just have viewers bail out. Duh.
- Dave Friedel
Yeah, but they're hurting their own network because of not understanding the programming or the audience. It seems self destructive. Maybe it's because the main show I listen to is This Week in Fun, and I love it. But if Sarah or Martin talk about sex or poop, it's fun to sit and watch all the people get kicked out of the chat room who try to comment on what the hosts are already saying. It sucks. And after about a year, it's making me want to stop watching.
- Dave Friedel
Dave, there's a #unfiltered channel in the IRC for chatting around shows like NSFW and TWiF
- Chris Heath
Whatever. If they want people to go figure it out, they ought to explain it. It's just dumb.
- Dave Friedel
it isn't that hard. there are different rules for the guests than for the chatroom. The chat is family friendly. Leo isn't going to kick a guest off for saying something off color. end of story.
- jccalhoun
So a show doing cock and dick jokes nobody can say anything? All that will do is drive people away. Hey, here's an idea... make a different URL for the adult shows they have. They don't understand their audience.
- Dave Friedel
It's not like I'm mad. I just hate to see these little startup things like TWiT shotgun themselves in the foot and limit their audience. It's very hard to measure who quits and goes elsewhere, that's all. Knowing some geeky code to enter could be driving people away in droves. It creates a limiter on the size of the audience they can ever hope to get. It's just too bad.
- Dave Friedel
it's just too bad? cry me a river Dave, TWiT is doing just fine and has been growing like gangbusters with these practices in place... this problem you've encountered only happens when shows themselves go beyond family friendly and I do agree that the mods should make the #unfiltered room more apparent (maybe kick you to that room instead of off the server when you swear in the main chat)
- Chris Heath
remember that the audience isn't the chatroom. twit doesn't make a dime off of live viewers. the audience is in downloaders. Leo throws around money like crazy so I don't think he is worried about losing audience numbers
- jccalhoun
and what jccalhoun said
- Chris Heath
Whatever. Plenty of other stuff out there to watch and participate in without being treated like I broke the law.
- Dave Friedel
but you did
- Chris Heath
Got to agree with @Dave Friedel here. Separate chat wasn't clearly evident. These new shows are giving TWiT the G4 feel. Even a good series can't go on forever. I'm starting to replace some of my podcasts with those with better production.
- Jude
you've got to be kidding, right? G4 feel? hahahaha
- Chris Heath
@Dave: TWIT is a tech chat show hosted by Leo in which rotating guests comment on the top tech stories that Leo brings up. This is occasionally mixed in with random barks from Dvorak who sounds like The Penguin from the old Batman series. Then, if you're really lucky, you may get to hear an episode where Calacanis comes on and attempts to bore everyone with his horrible impressions and blowhard egocentric stories. Good show.
- Fleagle
if anyone missed it, you can watch it here! http://odtv.me/2009/12/nsfw-2/ I am now!
- Fee501st
http://friendfeed.com/dariusm... This would be the dirty version of TWiT that I envision.
- Matthew DeVries
I see Veronica is using there new podcasting setup, sounds very good!
- Fee501st
Sorry for the rant yesterday.
- Dave Friedel
@Fleagle - Spot On!
- Jim Schweitzer
Why can't I find the RSS feed to subscribe to that show on the site?
- Matthew DeVries
because it's a live show
- Mark
So is everything else the first time you do it Mark. That's a lame answer.
- Matthew DeVries
NSFW will be added to the TWiT lineup in due time... patience people, patience
- Chris Heath
in the meantime you can catch the live captured versions from http://odtv.me - you do know about ODTV.me, right?
- Chris Heath
I'm very disappointed in TWIT. You should know better. tits or GTFO!
- pitlord
someone suggested This Week At Twit which would be a recap show, but Leo noticed it would be TWaT
- Mark
Yeah, that someone was Matthew DeVries -> http://friendfeed.com/dariusm...
- Chris Heath
Thinking About Twitter Location 17 Months Ago - http://parislemon.com/2009...
james liked this
what do you want? a medal?
- Mark
@kweeneverything Everything in its right place.
This was not the headline I was promised when I voted for Obama #hugedisappointment #fail - http://calacanis.com/2009...
piss off Calacanis, the generals said they need more troops to get the job finished, so they get more troops.
- Mark
Why I don't like @bing: search for "rental car." On Google Hertz is on first page. On Bing? Second page. Hertz is #1 in market.
Johni Fisher and Jeremy (on vacation) liked this
It's good that some people get this.
- Jeremy (on vacation)
Well it is on the first page for me in both.
- Brian Sullivan
same for me Brian
- Mark
Conspiracy theorists will say they changed it after the tweet
- Mark
It's great when you can trash a whole search engine by one search in 140char or less
- Itachi
It's called "facts."
- Jeremy (on vacation)
Superfeedr real-time method stats: 73% polling, 26% PubSubHubHub, 1% RSSCloud, 0% SUP: http://blog.superfeedr.com/Real-ti... /via @arjunram
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poor RSSCloud, its almost a rounding error
- Mark
Dave's response http://blog.rsscloud.org/post... (he claims they made the numbers up)
- Mark
Knowing Julien, he didn't make these numbers up.
- David Recordon
The numbers obviously depend on what feeds you're consuming. For example, SUP is enabled on YouTube and Reddit, which are a significant fraction of the feeds on on FriendFeed, but are presumably less common on superfeedr.
- Paul Buchheit
Paul's comment is totally right. I think all this proves that we need to improve our 'communication' around these numbers and how they have been calculated. I will emphasize more on that in the future.
- Julien
And if someone were pulling a lot of WordPress.com feeds then they'd be using RSSCloud (unless of course they were using Superfeedr's PSHB proxy: http://wordpress.superfeedr.com/).
- David Recordon
In a that case, we'd be using RSSCloud to poll... As we actually do for the few wp feeds that we have.
- Julien
Unfortunately PSHB is using Feedeburner numbers and Feedburner enabled PSHB feeds are NOT realtime (for the most part), because of the latency from blog to Feedburner updating. No one cares about the technology, just whether it's realtime or not. And a vast majority of that 26% are not realtime, I'd say.
- Matt Terenzio
I'd also like to see some other aggregators (like Gnip) publish their numbers. Uncorroborated and without volume, it's hard to judge these, even if they are accurate.
- Chris Messina
What matters is how much faster the web is. Not which protcol is a rounding error. Paul and Matt, thanks for bringing this back to reality. And btw, there are millions of sites that achieve their realtime-ness through rssCloud. As Matt says, the Feedburner feeds have a delay built into them that the rssCloud ones don't have. So it's a good question whether or not the really are realtime. The whole point is updating quickly, and they could take as much as 1/2 hour to update.
- Dave Winer
Dave: Generally as long as the web is getting faster and more responsive, I don't care what protocols are used to do it. I worry, however, that if RSSCloud and PubSubHubBub were reversed in Julien's chart, that you wouldn't be discounting his findings. If so, that seems intellectually dishonest to me. Are you more upset about what Julien's numbers show or about his data collection method?
- Chris Messina
Here's what I wrote about this for the community in October. "I see adoption of PubSubHubBub as a win for the Internet, and believe strongly their advocates should see adoption of rssCloud the same way. If they feel pressure from rssCloud, it should result in them more fully embracing RSS, which I felt they weren't doing when I first reviewed their efforts. Once that happens the...
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- Dave Winer
Julien, perhaps if you're publishing data like this in the future, you might want to drop the step where you "try to determine what is the best way to get [a feed's] content" and simply publish the raw stats. That is, looking at the feeds you're dealing with, which ones support which protocols? Some might support more than one, and you could illustrate that in some sort of (non-pie) chart. It seems like determining the "best" way is what opens you up to accusations of bias, etc.
- Ken Sheppardson
The raw numbers do have value, IMHO, simply because as a developer I have to make choices about which protocol(s) to support. It's nice to have adoption data to feed the decision process.
- Ken Sheppardson
Ken, if it would help you, let's get the adoption data. Start from the other end, what numbers do you want? Let's see if we can get them.
- Dave Winer
Hopefully not data like this: http://friendfeed.com/kshep...
- Dave Winer
Heh. Yeah, that's the chart I was imagining when I wrote "(non-pie) chart" above. :-) What numbers do I want? Well, I've seen the announcement-based stats, e.g. "Service X has now enabled Protocol Y on N feeds" and while I suppose those have value from a marketing standpoint, I don't think it translates directly into real, meaningful usage. The fact that some blog somebody started on some blog hosting service in 2005 that only had one post is now "real time" enabled doesn't really mean anything to me...
- Ken Sheppardson
... Looking at something like Superfeedr considers a sample of feeds that people really want to follow in real time. That is, the fact that someone has said "Please tell me when Feed X updates as soon as possible" is important to me. Given a sample like that, I'd like to know which feeds support which protocols.
- Ken Sheppardson
Right on. I think the fact that CNN, GigaOm and TechCrunch have realtime feeds is important (they do). And with all possible humility I think it matters that Scripting News does as well. (They all support rssCloud, btw.) I'd like to know if Chris Messina's blog is realtime. I don't care how it got to be realtime, btw. And I'd like to see FF support all the popular protocols. These things will all help boost adoption adn that's what I want to see.
- Dave Winer
I hope it is! I installed the PubSubHubBub WordPress plugin (since I self-host) and seems to be working!
- Chris Messina
Good for you.
- Dave Winer
Again, I think the main point of the blog post was : real-time feeds (in general) are gaining traction. I will publish more details on how we measure the (raw) numbers in our December status.
- Julien
Homes selling over list price at Berkeley's top end. (Good news for real estate investors, like yours truly.) http://www.bayareahomegirl.com/...
bad news for the young hard-working couple who can't afford to get on the ladder.
- Mark
Fail whale. MORE PRODUCTIVITY! Oh, and hello again FriendFeed. Backup for the whale. :-)
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Ain't it the truth!
- Gregg Morris
Guess that answers my question. Twitter must be down. ;(
- David Damore
Twitter is definitely down.
- Robert Scoble
Heh--I was wondering when you would show-up. :-)
- Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
Seems like a hard fail right now.
- David Damore
Ahoy!
- phil baumann
you know it!
- DanielthePoet
"Twitter is over capacity. Too many tweets! Please wait a moment and try again." Didn't know people had so much to say about Charlie Weis
- David Damore
It's been down for at least five minutes already. This is the longest I've seen the fail whale in months.
- Robert Scoble
F5 F5 F5 WTF???
- David Damore
so are you starting to get the shakes? How long can you go without tweeting?
- Ben Reierson
Responding to high error rate 21 seconds ago Starting about 10 minutes ago, we began experiencing a very high rate of errors and we are working on the underlying problem.
- David Damore
would be more productivity if there was no FF ( twitter backup )
- Mihai Secasiu
Grrr.
- James Myatt
Looks like they had a similar problem about a week ago with elevated error rates.
- David Damore
Hello again? Like the girlfriend once scorned, should we accept your advances now? :)
- Louis Gray
Zing!
- Jeremy (on vacation)
Fixed now for you folks?
- David Damore
Looks like Twitter is better now.
- David Damore
Not fixed here. I skipped the '?' and had my hopes up. F5 F5
- Tim
Hey it's back... nope there it goes again. And back... nope gone again.
- SAM
Hmmmmmm
- David Damore
Back down here again too :(
- David Damore
Are you going to stay this time? :-)
- Jesse Stay
How would Google Wave be useful right now?
- David Damore
Wow 15 minutes and counting. We're approaching pre @aplusk days
- Tim
@ David - well this looks like an interesting Wave - http://www.techcrunch.com/2009...
- phil baumann
lol
- Mark
and is Twitter down? I never noticed.
- Jesse Stay
Is @aplush pre or post Oprah? Joking
- David Damore
lol@jesse
- Jeremy (on vacation)
Thanks Phil
- David Damore
So what was trending when it went down?
- phil baumann
Dave - sure. Interesting use case. Definitely spam would be something Google would have to work on.
- phil baumann
not sure what was trending but there was quite a lot of activity on #Spill - in Oz our opposition party is having a meltdown and are spilling the leadership in 30 mins time
- Hilary Talbot
Phil: That was really interesting. Surprised that that shooting never gained traction on Twitter. Did it ever trend? Seems like it was all about Mr. Woods the past few days.... and shopping
- David Damore
Hi everyone. Hope you are all surviving without twitter lol. Great to see you all here.
- snysctt
It's back
- Tim
For how long though lol
- snysctt
Twitter Lists are gone :o!
- snysctt
Back up. I think the FAIL Whale actually dreams of FriendFeed succeeding and killing Twitter. :)
- phil baumann
@snysctt Good catch on noticing the missing lists. Call out an APB!
- David Damore
Thanks! :-)
- snysctt
I think I broke my F5 button lol
- snysctt
Glad FF is the backup! </sarcasm> ...seriously though, I'd prefer people do one or the other. I don't reply to most of your comments because you're on Twitter and I refuse to get a Twitter account. Lame service.
- Scott Carmichael
Bad news @1938media - your own ignorance is showing. Fry is a genius and Jarvis really gets it. I'm starting to wonder about you however.
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Loren should include himself on "Monday Matters". Talk about unwatchable... It's also a good indicator not to follow someone who decides to follow a common squirrel.
- Jude
But but Loren is the most insightful and intelligent person in creation-just ask him and he'll tell ya.
- Dave Saunders
from iPhone
Was Twitter bought by China, or can he still express his own opinion?
- Fleagle
Just don't see the point in calling him out for an opinion. But I guess that's what people do. All part of the system.
- Fleagle
Bah. I wrote "We all can, Fleagle. What's your point?" then thought better of stirring the pot and deleted the comment... but not before you responded.... so yeah, that's what people do. Loren calls out Jeff/Fry, Leo calls out Loren, you call out Leo, I call out you etc. ;-)
- Ken Sheppardson
@Fleagle Looks to me as Loren expressed a very negative opinion which led Leo to defend his friends. Wouldn't you do the same? Loren could have expressed his opinion in a more constructive manner.
- Jude
I love Leo. That is all.
- Mark Davidson
from BuddyFeed
This is why I don't participate in these ocmment streams anymore. I don't have the stomach for it @kshep
- Francine Hardaway
Yeah, screw Feldman.
- Mark
The irony here is that Stephen Fry is one of the smartest TECH pundits in the business.
- Jamie
The CrunchPad disappears in a puff of vapor. http://www.engadget.com/2009...
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I feel so sorry for Mike. He is such a nice person, it's just awful that anything bad would ever happen to him. What a shame.
- Mark
I need a shower after that remark! Anybody have any sarcasm removing soap?
- David
I thought Mike was a lawyer in a former life. How did this happen to him (i.e. backstabbing partner)?
- Ken Morley
CodyBrown: Agreed. This is egregious RT @arrington: how does NYTimes write about pay 2 pitch and not include @jason or TC50 http://bit.ly/6yulHi - http://twitter.com/CodyBro...
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This is a sample of all that is wrong with Twitter -- is there any meaning in this post? Or do I have to follow a dozen different people and read a dozen websites to figure it out. I know this can happen here as well sometimes -- but come in -- this is like morse code.
- Brian Sullivan
Yeah it looks awful. Is Scoble talking to Codybrown with the usage of :, is he RTing CodyBrown? Perhaps RTing Arrington?
- Mark
Brian: this is on my Favorites Feed. It's an Twitter-to-RSS-to-FriendFeed translation problem. If you read my Favorites feed directly at http://twitter.com/scoblei... you would see exactly what this is about. But, seriously, this post is a retweet by @CodyBrown who agrees with @arrington who is bitching about the New York Times, who wrote an article without crediting TechCrunch's work on this topic (TechCrunch is the one who broke this story and pushed it along).
- Robert Scoble
I guess the real solution is to hide this feed then.
- Brian Sullivan
I agree with Brian Sullivan. Twitter is just too hard to follow the conversation.
- Leigh Marriner
Bijan decided to return his Droid. Of course now I wonder if I should too. http://bijansabet.com/post...
what was all the initial hype about? you even set up a blog to shout about how good it was.
- Mark
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