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Ho ho that's a good one @Jason. That's like the wolf saying, "hey, I offered Little Red Riding Hood a place to spend the night!"
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+++Leo.
- Micah
Jason seems to want to do a show based on EVERY single topic in the whole world.
- Mark
Jason should just have one show, called "Listen to me talk. Please! I need attention! Look at me! Look at me!" And then any idiot who's desperate enough for content can watch him every week. The rest of us can go about our daily lives.
- Fleagle
the kpcs has a lot of good interviews if you go look back through their guest list (it styled after charlie rose, but it's like the hbo version) -- also there have been a number of really good twist episodes as well ---- i do get turned off by the attention hungry leanings of jason's stuff, but there is some (maybe even a bunch) of good content there ..... the problem is the signal/noise ratio
- Chris Heath
Maybe if Jason got back to focusing on Mahalo, and less on the pathetic thisweekin.com and poker'ing, it might suck less.
- Tim Keller
A nice thing about having C-SPAN broadcast the Health Care Summit is you can watch the President tell McC to STFU. http://www.c-span.org/Topics...
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Why don't Americans want better health care for everyone including poor people?
- Mark
Are 50% of the country stupid or just playing party politics/
- Mark
A soaring debt and government infighting has them scared and generally distrusting their government.
- scott willeke
...and yet they were trustful of spending $3 trillion on an occupation-war?
- Cole Jolley
Pork chop and butternut squash - http://100meals.posterous.com/pork-ch...
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Pork chops are esoteric?
- Paul Buchheit
easy to eat
- xmizanx87
Live now: This Week In Computer Hardware 59 with Ryan Shrout of http://pcper.com. http://live.twit.tv.
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Tease:
- Leo Laporte
Item 1: Acer announces Aspire One 532G: ION 2 and Optimus Technology Plus general Optimus overview for Leo NVIDIA claims more than 50 models will be using it by mid-2010: ASUS is already making UL50Vf, N61Jv, N71Jv, N82Jv and U30Jc http://www.pcper.com/comment...
- Leo Laporte
Item 0: Optimus Graphics http://www.pcper.com/article...
- Leo Laporte
NVIDIA claims more than 50 models will be using it by mid-2010: ASUS is already making UL50Vf, N61Jv, N71Jv, N82Jv and U30Jc
- Leo Laporte
Leo, can you ask ryan to write up that i3/i5/i7 differentiation on pcper.com if he hasn't already? i've had a lot of ppl asking me that as well, and it's just hard to remember
- Chris Heath
reboot and reboot into safemode are key features of gotoassist that i use a lot
- Chris Heath
AMD Catalyst 10.2 and 10.3 Preview http://www.pcper.com/article... - Changes for multi-GPU multi-display users 10.2 CrossFire Profiles CrossFire power savings CrossFire eyefinity technology CF rearch Displayport audio 10.3 Stereo 3d hooks Display bezel correction Color correction per panel Eyefinity groups and config switching Mobility updates
- Leo Laporte
Ryan will be replacing my home sockets with these USB wall connections http://store.fastmac.com/product...
- Leo Laporte
Storage Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB (now with SATA 6Gb/sec)
- Leo Laporte
Kingston SSDNow V Series (JMicron 618 controller, Toshiba flash) ** less than $2/GB ** (current drives closer to $3/GB) Wow, nice!
- Leo Laporte
yes that is big news
- Chris Heath
PCPerspective Hardware Leaderboard http://www.pcper.com/hwlb.php
- Chris Heath
Mass Effect 2 is better than 1
- Ken Sheppardson
As long as you like shooters and don't expect it to be an rpg (and no, just because you are playing the "role" of Shepherd doesn't make it an rpg, by that logic Pacman is an rpg).
- Ghworg
Sarah and MG are in lurrrrveee xx
- Mark
I hope you still was able to have a good time!
- Fee501st
MG should get Kevin Smith to rail against Expedia on twitter... that would get their attention
- Chris Heath
Google did something seriously wrong - http://www.scripting.com/stories...
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-1, dislike. There was a clear confirmation step.
- Giovanni Bajo
Disagree with Dave 100% here.
- Mark
I with hold judgement until Buzz has had a few revisions.
- Roberto Bonini
Talking to Gary Flake of Microsoft and he showed of http://getpivot.com which is a remarkable new way to look at the web. Shipped today #ted
Lame. It requires IE8 installed. Fuck that.
- Mark
Live now: Windows Weekly 142 with Paul Thurrott and Mary Jo Foley. http://live.twit.tv Discuss here....
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One of the co-inventors of Cleartype runs a great blog here: http://billhillsblog.blogspot.com/
- Mark
He too left Microsoft recently and is critical of the company and their innovation
- Mark
Comments on Dick Brass's NY Times Op-Ed Piece: http://www.nytimes.com/2010... Fears with Mary Jo Foley It seems like Microsoft is shedding a lot of its Allchin-era employees all of a sudden Coincidence or not? And what about the fact that Microsoft is no longer the tech industry's provider of the future Apple, Google, and...
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- Leo Laporte
Bill Hill says the company does not make consumer devices it makes COMPUTER devices on the blog.
- Mark
Bill Hill, co-inventor of Cleartype and who worked on the tablet platform at M$, believes Apple's success is found in these consumer quality devices which are not at all like computers.
- Mark
He also talks about the politics of getting features shipped. It took him ten years to convince Windows team to stop BURYING his Cleartype technology behind a half dozen menus.
- Mark
Yes Paul, sooo right. Everything is overcomplicated in Windows World.
- Mark
From Dave Winer: The Dick Brass piece on Microsoft screwing themselves should give you a clear picture why open standards processes are such disasters.
- Mark
Not sure what Winer means. Anyone know?
- Mark
Item 2) Windows Home Server "Vail" details arrive Rafael and I have installed the leaked build and examined it using Rafael's internals tools Raf wrote up a nice blog post about our findings http://www.withinwindows.com/2010...
- Leo Laporte
Item 3) Windows Home Server "Vail" details arrive Rafael and I have installed the leaked build and examined it using Rafael's internals tools Raf wrote up a nice blog post about our findings http://www.withinwindows.com/2010...
- Leo Laporte
Item 4) Microsoft: Bing will be successful, Dammit And profitable too! The key: Getting the Yahoo deal done
- Leo Laporte
Windows 7 feature of the week: Homegroup Put simply, a way to share Library-based content (documents, music, photos, videos) as well as printers over a home network. Requires Windows 7 and does not replace legacy sharing methods or workgroups, which are still present in Windows 7 as well. It's super-simple, with a single Homegroup password that provides global access to all shared...
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- Leo Laporte
Audible pick of the week: Conspirata: A Novel of Ancient Rome by Robert Harris http://www.audible.com/adbl... Author of Fatherland "On the eve of Marcus Cicero's inauguration as consul of Rome, the grisly death of a boy sends ripples of fear through a city already wracked by civil unrest, crime, and debauchery of...
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- Leo Laporte
Windows 7 Tip of the Week: Run Windows Live Messenger from the tray as God intended Windows Live Messenger spews unnecessary buttons all over the Windows 7 taskbar. Fortunately, you can fix this behavior. Thanks to Rodrigo Gómez Morales Note: Anyone who provides a tip that I use here and on the site will get a free, signed copy of "Windows 7 Secrets." And I've gotten so many tips that I will back-date tips for each week to the beginning of the year so I can get this thing rolling more quickly.
- Leo Laporte
Tip of the week: Zune HD price drop 16 GB for $199 (was $229), 32 GB for $269 (vs. $299) Save a bit more at Amazon.com
- Leo Laporte
Software pick of the week: EASEUS Partition Manager http://www.partition-tool.com/persona... Thanks to Patrick Robichaud
- Leo Laporte
Tease: Paul and Mary Jo Foley discuss the revelations in today's New York Times by former Microsoft VP Dick Brass,
- Leo Laporte
freind feed has ben down 2 day :0( good show
- daveccorey
Cc: Twitter (settings) Hi. Updated Blackberry apps page on my website http://appsunlimitedsite.com/
- Joe Pawlak
Disagree with Paul RE: WAT being a nonevent for legal users. The WAT update also periodically "phones home" source here: http://lauren.vortex.com/archive...
- soupmonkey
Friendfeed, meet Buzz.
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RT @jayrosen_nyu: BBC tells its news staff to get on board with the rebooted system of news. It's not an option http://www.guardian.co.uk/media... Seriously.
Mark liked this
I got to the API and saw: No Twitter compatibility. That's a big red X over the future of Google's latest misadventure. Pfffft.
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RT @copyblogger: Thanks GoDaddy, but your target audience already knows where the best porn on the web is. Your stuff is weak.
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Best piece of analysis of the night.
- Mark
Kabobs. Beef, lamb and chicken - http://100meals.posterous.com/kabobs-...
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Holy Crap! We call those things "kebabs" over here in england. mmmm tasty
- Mark
You may call it "kebabs" or "kebap," but where I'm from, it's called delicious! :)
- imabonehead
This is the only meal that you have put up on your blog - until now, that I have actually eaten! I live in India, btw. :)
- Space Cowboy
must have to eat this in Istanbul
- arda
The Gillmor Gang redo is now live at http://friendfeed.com/stevegi... -- live.
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Hey Robert, the show is called "Real-Time with Steve Gillmor on Building43.com/RealTime how can you pre-record it?
- Mark
The TechCrunch intern, @danielbru, who asked for a MacBook freebie, is also on the SUL, has 321K followers. So he got the idea from adults.
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Gillmor Gang recording live http://www.building43.com/realtim...
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Time for the Gillmor Gang
- Mark
sounds good from remote
- Susan Beebe
I'm on Skype now, if you guys want to call me in.
- Robert Scoble
Skype is not working for me. It just hung up.
- Robert Scoble
Lol.
- Mark
yikes
- Susan Beebe
wow
- Chris Jackson
Looks like the show isn't going to happen today.
- Robert Scoble
Leo Laporte, come back, all is forgiven
- Mark
On skype, should I call in via calliflower?
- Kevin Marks
nope, sad ....
- Susan Beebe
Too bad.
- Dan Weinstein
We'll reschedule it. It's really tough to get skype and phones working together.
- Robert Scoble
Sorry to hear...technology can be wonderful and a disaster.
- Jim Posner
Remember this is a live recording of a show - and if the recording doesn't go well, the show doesn't go.
- Rob La Gesse
should do a trial test before showtime to run sound / video tests
- Susan Beebe
Rob, yup. Can you work with me on my Skype? It went into a loop and crashed my system. That might have been what took down the Skype.
- Robert Scoble
reherse
- TranceMist
This didn't happen when Leo produced it.
- Mark
Susan, we do, but Skype with four machines is very brittle for some reason.
- Robert Scoble
again? didn't this happen two weeks ago :(
- Jake Smith
Rackspace’s iPhone developer reveals what’s inside the iPad SDK <---- I will watch this video instead
- Mark
Mark: Leo has a $50,000 studio and more than 10 staff members to make stuff happen behind the scenes. He also uses his Skype machines all day long.
- Robert Scoble
It's not just us? *whew!*
- Josh Haley
Leo never produced the show. He hosted it for a short time. Steve produces the show - and as a sponsor, I stand behind him 100%
- Rob La Gesse
Robert FTW :D
- Jake Smith
Also, Leo generally wasn't trying to mix so many people together with both Skype and telephone.
- Robert Scoble
Robert- How is your studio coming along?
- Jim Posner
Jim: we just bought the microphones and audio board. Slowly but surely.
- Robert Scoble
which mics?
- Jim Posner
Jim: we got some from Blue Microphones.
- Robert Scoble
Rob: Skype on my machine just locks up when it receives a call. I bet that's what took down the show. Back to Macs! Sigh.
- Robert Scoble
I heard great things about Blue @ CES..look forward to hearing how they sound.
- Jim Posner
Love my Blue microphone. With a NADY pop filter it's sweet!
- Alex de Soto
@Robert -I've had Skype issues all day as well. Normally it just works.
- Rob La Gesse
Robert who won the Kindle
- Jake Smith
I wonder why Rackspace doesn't sponsor TWiT Live
- Mark
Huge tech audience, they had 150000 concurrent viewers last week at the Apple Event.
- Mark
I think I just got closer to buying an iPad - today ATT approved the SlingPlayer app to stream video over 3G. Nice. Love my SlingBox - best tech I bought in the last 5 years.
- Rob La Gesse
@Mark - because Leo has not returned my calls :)
- Rob La Gesse
Danny Sullivan had quite a take down of Mahalo recently. I hope they reschedule the show so he can discuss it.
- Jim Posner
Leo is insane then. But seriously he has someone in charge of the ads so that person isn't diong their job right. Leo gets INSANE ROI for advertisers. Some of them have advertised non-stop on his network for several years.
- Mark
But it's not about the number of viewers - that's old-mindset (think banner ads). Now it is about engagement level, and influence. NOT pure head count.
- Rob La Gesse
I don't understand Mahalo, why not just Vark?
- Jake Smith
Leo is so good at selling products, Bill O'Reilly used him as a template for delivering adverts on his radio show. Amazingly true story.
- Mark
Robert - oh, bummer Skype didn't work out today... too bad there's not a more stable platform for VoIP con calls. What about TinyChat?
- Susan Beebe
Can't wait for the Robert Scoble Show.
- Mark
I don't get Mahalo as well. Not sure of the intended audience maybe it is the old AOL demographic.
- Jim Posner
Mark: I doubt I'd do a regular show, but think of http://youtube.com/scobleizer but with more live videos.
- Robert Scoble
wondering if Steve GG could re-attempt show later, say tomorrow ?
- Susan Beebe
Susan: that's usually what happens. I'm open tomorrow afternoon.
- Robert Scoble
You need to use Vidyo!
- Jake Smith
Robert - yea, I bet your travel schedule would preclude any regularly scheduled shows, but video is smart idea (lacks engagement of audience, but still has a ton of value). Perhaps do a show on an ad hoc schedule, just announce it a bit in advance whenever you can
- Susan Beebe
Looking forward to see your new videos Robert
- Alex
Robert-Wondering what you thought of the D. Brass piece about Microsoft in the NYT today on creative destruction..
- Jim Posner
Jake: I'm definitely looking into Vidyo. One problem is it's $7,000 to get a box. But they are offering us some free trials.
- Robert Scoble
I forgot about the price aha
- Jake Smith
Bill Hill blogged about it too, says he spent ten years at microsoft overcoming the politics which exist in the Windows team. Took him ten years to get Cleartype shipped properly.
- Mark
Jim: that piece was right on.
- Robert Scoble
Microsoft is pictured as a mess, one department not talkign to another. Lots of shit going on .
- Mark
On Todays Windows Weekly podcast they cover it in depth with Mary Jo Foley as spcecial guest.
- Mark
Suffice it to say, without Office and Windows on DVD's Microsoft would be in trouble.
- Mark
I am really hoping MS steps up to the challenge. Just bought a Dell Windows 7 box and happy to report that Windows 7 is much better than Vista. (I know-not hard to do.)
- Jim Posner
Bill Hill claims Apple's success is because they produce consumer devices, and Microsoft produces COMPUTING devices
- Mark
Skype is screwy. REally messed up right now.
- Robert Scoble
Whats it doing weird?
- Jake Smith
They must be trying new subliminal recording technology :-)
- Todd Hoff
I was looking forward to seeing this today.. Any news on whether it will be rescheduled Robert?
- Kevin Costain
I'm trying to find out, will let you know if it does get rescheduled.
- Robert Scoble
It has been rescheduled for 1 p.m. Pacific Time tomorrow (Friday).
- Robert Scoble
Great.Thank you Robert
- Alex
Thanks Robert!
- Kevin Costain
re-recording now?
- Jake Smith
strange getting tweets about this
- Paul E. Ester
5 hours old
- Paul E. Ester
Very weird that my tweet was sent out hours late. We are redoing tomorrow at 1 pm.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
By the way Rob LaGesse is NOT the CEO of Rackspace.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
hey when Rob used to help me - to me he was the CEO and he rocked :)
- Allen Stern
:) I am not the CEO - not my bag of tea. But Allen - thanks - much. You've been a great friend.
- Rob La Gesse
It's so sad. The level of engagement on Friendfeed seems to have shrunk to nothing. It's still a great aggregator, and has the best web interface of any microblog, but I'm afraid the critters have left the building. -sigh-
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I agree - the last month or so I've seen a huge decline. It's sad.
- Jesse Stay
I've seen the opposite on my feed?
- Mo Kargas
In some ways it's my greatest secret - still very useful regardless of engagement. It's definitely not an engagement tool though any more.
- Jesse Stay
Mo, there are a very small group of people that all engage together, but it's not like what it used to be. I get engagement from that group, but no one else any more.
- Jesse Stay
Sorry, Leo, but you're wrong. Plenty of activity in my feed.
- Stephen Mack #TeamMomo
from iPhone
It's also the easiest way to the Facebook team, where Bret is now in charge of Platform.
- Jesse Stay
I'm following a set of users here that I would have never found on Twitter or elsewhere -- my feed is mind-blowing. Not tech-focused, tho
- Christopher Galtenberg
@Jesse Hmm, probably right
- Mo Kargas
The volume may be a little less, but the quality is much improved!
- ʎəlɹoɯ uəʞ
Pirillo has a busy helpdesk room here: http://friendfeed.com/helpdesk - not a lot of comments, but lots of posts to the room.
- Jesse Stay
I've seen the opposite too. If anything, things are slowly getting better.
- Roberto Bonini
from iPhone
You understand that when I say "engagement" I don't mean the quality of the feed. That's unchanged. I mean the conversation around the posts. The number of comments. I get very few even for the live in-show conversations on TWiT. You guys are getting _more_ comments than before?
- Leo Laporte
Not I
- Jesse Stay
TWiT this week, for example, got TWO comments on a live show watched by thousands.
- Leo Laporte
Not more comments - the chattering has slowed
- Christopher Galtenberg
There are a few cliques that are very active if you follow them but I'd tend to agree there isn't really a great deal of broader engagement like there was when I started using it a few months before the sell out
- Ed Millard
If you are a librarian or Turkish it seems to be the place to be :)
- Ed Millard
There is virtually no tech audience participating any more. There are a few, but much, much less than before. It's very sad.
- Jesse Stay
Simulcast the twit chat rooms here?
- Thomas Page
That's probably because you moved all your fans to IRC.
- David Schmidt
If Facebook would just enable a real-time comments mode you could do the same with a Facebook Page. I wish they'd enable that, then you'd have an engaged audience again on a popular and useful platform.
- Jesse Stay
Not all of us
- Dan owns Comicsforge.com
I'm still seeing plenty of activity on my feed. What I have noticed though, is that the topics of discussion have moved from tech and political topics towards more social topics. (Except for the spike in iPad discussion last week.)
- Jeff P. Henderson
Anyone tried Redux, Scoble was pushing that as his big thing, at least until he declares it dead. Not sure if there is any conversation there. They do have a whole feed for cat pictures.
- Ed Millard
FF has always been a platform waiting for an application.
- Christopher Galtenberg
No we ALWAYS had a very active IRC room. That's unchanged. Last year at this time each TWiT would get many comments at http://friendfeed.com/twit-co.... The IRC conversation evaporates but FF lives on and is searchable. I far prefer it.
- Leo Laporte
Leo, have you tried a Facebook Page? It's not real-time, but lives on and is searchable.
- Jesse Stay
I still think think Facebook needs to use FF tech to have a firehose of public content.
- Jay
I have four Jesse! @Jeff - hmm. I guess it's all relative. I looked at your feed and there are only a few comments on your stuff. It used to be like this thread all the time.
- Leo Laporte
I've been making a point to come here and participate more. I love friendfeed.
- Mary-Lynn
@jcunwired, I had the opposite experience... that's maybe why I prefer how things have turned out, with posts increasing in quality and mindless comments decreasing overall
- Christopher Galtenberg
We considered using FF for the iPad launch - now I wish we had. The lack of mobile apps was one factor.
- Leo Laporte
I wanted to comment on Friendfeed, but I didn't see a thread for Home Theater Geeks.
- Vezquex
I blame myself. I started using Twitter more and FF less - but I'm going to make a concious effort to live here for a while. I start a FF conversation for all the shows I host - but the other shows don't. It's up to the host, not me.
- Leo Laporte
FF needs posters who understand the art of starting conversations. The core FF team is actually great at this.
- Christopher Galtenberg
Give me real-time comments on Facebook and maybe a little more aggregation (and public search), and I'm a full convert. Until then FF is the best thing we've got. Keep trying Leo - so long as Facebook isn't moving in that direction they've still got a monetizable (is that a word?) platform here.
- Jesse Stay
I still use it as my feed reeder on steriods. Two typos in this comment.
- Mark
@Leo, I have never had very many comments on my posts, which for the most part are very techie. Compared to you I have very few followers. What I was referring to is the feed I see and the topics of the posts from people I follow. The more social oriented posts that I see and often participate in tend to get the most conversation.
- Jeff P. Henderson
I still vastly prefer FF to FB, but I have lots more engagement on Facebook. I wish it were over here.
- Heather Solos
Friendfeed activity is like the velocity of a car, and adding friends is the throttle. There will always be user churn, so when some of the people you usually hear from drift off, bring in a few new voices. There's tons of activity here, it just might not be the oldtimers anymore (yourself excluded, of course, Leo).
- Kevin Fox
I can only watch FF when I'm not trying to be productive. Way too distracting. Nothing has changed for that though. I'm watching it while eating lunch right now.
- MarkCarras
Kevin, I've noticed we've lost a lot of the techies though. I don't see near as much Tech conversation as I used to, which is one of the things that made it interesting for me.
- Jesse Stay
I have noticed the opposite as have a number of others here but then I engage on a number of topics. What I notice on all Social media is that when lists become a part of each, the engagement goes down. When privacy features expand, the engagement goes down. When Tech A-listers get bored...... ;)
- Melanie Reed
It dropped to nearly nothing toward the end of last year, but nowadays I'm finding the activity varying
- LANjackal
I'd love to see Facebook either push it or integrate it more to get that mainstream tech audience back.
- Jesse Stay
One thing I've felt lacking on FF is stream-combination. If you post something, which has already been posted and has a conversation in progress, you should be able to decide between joining that stream or starting your own. I've seen several overlapping posts with 1, 2, 3 comments each, but they die at that point. If these people could only talk to each other... (The duplicate post finder right now only works within friend graphs -- maybe that could be expanded?)
- Christopher Galtenberg
I think people are still unsure if it's going to be improved in the future, so turnover ends up high. Facebook just hasn't made that clear. Sure, it may still be here, but what's the roadmap?
- Jesse Stay
But Jesse, all tech and no variety makes, .... :) Still, I don't think you are going to find anything that the majority of those in tech are going to stay with. They are always looking over the hill at the next "latest and greatest". They were not trying to find a "home"...just to be the first to try the couch out.
- Melanie Reed
Melanie, I think Scoble and others would have stayed if they had confirmation from Facebook it was going to continue to see improvements and/or further integration with Facebook. The roadmap is way too unclear. People like a vision on what to expect. It's also why I haven't developed any apps for FriendFeed.
- Jesse Stay
yes, please.
- Chieze Okoye
I'd love to see FriendFeed used by developers in the way Wave is, for instance. It has the same productive use as Wave. Unclear roadmap means developers won't come though.
- Jesse Stay
What
- Michael Holzinger
And the fact that people don't want to sink their time and effort into a site that, at best, may never see any upgrades or, at worst, may disappear at any moment.
- Akiva
Jesse, yes. But that underplays what I am saying. Tech is that "medium is the message" thing in a nutshell. It doesn't want to create something and say: "This is good" and enjoy it. It keeps tinkering till its tinkered to death and then moves on. I would ask as a tech, that you "take your shoes off, stay around....y'all come back now. Here?" ;)
- Melanie Reed
I could not agree more. I was hoping Facebook would create an interface for adult conversations on Facebook like FF
- Alan Morris
Melanie, I'm sticking around - I think I made that clear. I'm just speculating why others aren't joining or sticking around. I've tried to convince other dev groups I work with to switch over to FriendFeed and the lack of vision or roadmap keeps them away and using platforms like Wave (which is very buggy and annoying to work with).
- Jesse Stay
I've been trying to keep FF API support in the feed reader I'm developing, its a nice API, but it is pretty hard to justify it with a small and shrinking audience. Working with it does make you appreciate how innovative it was and how great it could have been. Hopefully it will reappear at FB eventually but I have a hard time liking FB.
- Ed Millard
Ed, yeah - I'd like to know that though - there's absolutely no vision made clear. The API group has gone down to practically nothing.
- Jesse Stay
You mean the FF API group or the FB API group?
- Ed Millard
Jesse, yes! and I so appreciate that you do stay. But yes, Wave is the sick puppy tech that needs tinkering with. I think you may want a vision and roadmap, but I'm acknowledging that there are a number of techs who may say they want that, but its a cover for the urge to tinker and move on.
- Melanie Reed
As to vision and roadmap. I don't need one on FriendFeed. It's great. Don't fix it. You have arrived. Enjoy it!
- Melanie Reed
Melanie, I disagree though - those that want to tinker and move on are a very small minority. When you still see technologies such as IRC used actively by a very techie audience it's clear there is a much larger audience that could be here. If the technology's useful, they'll come, but there has to be certainty that technology still has potential.
- Jesse Stay
It occurs to me that Friendfeed *has* actually arrived. The fickle Ubernerds are now looking elsewhere for the next pretty and the users are enjoying using FF as it was meant to be used.
- WoH: Professor MOTHRA
I agree with Akiva: the idea that FF is running as kind of a headless horseman of a service, with no definitive future is what may be making some of the more veteran users from investing any more time into it than they already are...
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+++WorldofHiglet
- Melanie Reed
LAG, amen
- Jesse Stay
LOL Glen
- WoH: Professor MOTHRA
Gentleman, it doesn't have to be "evolving" for it to be "working". It *is*. LOL Glen. Good one!
- Melanie Reed
Glen, *any* post that mentions FriendFeed is dwindling (or you're quitting, or it's dead) gets a ton of comments. This post is the exception.
- Jesse Stay
Thanks Jesse! I used to think a lot of the engagement was dropping because many of the technology bright lights left the service, but this year I opened a season-long thread for commenting on NFL games, and even there, besides a few regulars who I usually interact with over sports, it didn't seem the same, even though the thread racked up over 1,700 comments over the 20-week season and playoffs.
- .LAG liked that
Melanie, tell me how well its working without anyone at the helm the next time you get hit with a half-dozen 'Oops! There was a problem...' messages.
- Akiva
The problem with the Ubernerds moving on is it hurt the tech conversation which was some of the draw here. Its more social focused now. Nothing wrong with that but Facebook already has social out the wazoo. Where do go to hear interesting, free wheeling, tech conversation now is one of the big questions.
- Ed Millard
OTOH, i also suspect that there's more to do, and the competition is getting better... Facebook is better (and innovating constantly), Twitter is better... FourSquare, etc., every week it seems there's more things coming online to grab people's attention. Fragmentation of attention seems to happen in real-time too.
- .LAG liked that
Akiva, I probably get more of those using a d-up than you speedsters up there in the NW. ;) (Hope the new place is feeling more like home for you and Audrey and Rochelle) But frankly, it really doesn't bother me. In the scope of things I have to be fair and say it hasn't really been that annoying. I haven't used any tech that doesn't have its glitches every now and then.
- Melanie Reed
Your FF is not my FF and on and on.
- Steele Lawman
Now Ed has hit upon the "rub" as it stands: it really is about the water cooler.
- Melanie Reed
I think one of the reasons why your FF comments went down, Leo, is because your presence in the comments went down. People were wondering where all the love had gone, Leo.
- Garmon Estes
That may be true, Melanie. The issue here is that the service's quality has declined significantly over the past six months. Add that to the fact that you know that it's [most likely] not going to be upgraded... it begins to feel like a dead-end street. What it boils down to is that there's only one feature that FriendFeed has that is really keeping us here: the community. If we could all move en masse to Cliqset or wherever, most people wouldn't really think twice about it.
- Akiva
Akiva, I accept the possibility that it won't be upgraded and its doesn't fill me with sadness or dread. The vision of FF was Community. Has it achieved that? yes.
- Melanie Reed
Jeremy, that's subjective. I think FriendFeed's UI is horrible which I fix with a custom userstyle.
- Akiva
jcunwired, as I pointed out above, we're already here and invested. New people aren't going to be interested in blowing time in a site that has no future support and that may just up and disappear without warning one day.
- Akiva
Melanie, but even that community has fractured and decayed. Where's Bwana? Where's Cee Bee? We're losing people left and right in a trickle.
- Akiva
Akiva, what's horrible about it? I have a lovely winter scene with corresponding colors on my widgets. I'm content.
- Melanie Reed
As I wrote, it's subjective. I don't like Cliqset's UI either.
- Akiva
Akiva, I feel as the others: I seemed to have met more people not less recently. Indeed, I can hardly keep up with my feed sometimes and I feel some remorse that I cannot answer or comment to everything.....although, maybe some think this is a good thing. lol
- Melanie Reed
*comment counter incremented* :)
- Micah
Now I will get to something touchy, so pardon me while I do. When the Ubertechs do get on here, they can at times be intimidating in their response to those wanting to break in or ignore them completely (I have seen that happen as well). So If to join or comment in an Ubertech thread means a lot of ritual rules where an infraction will be met with disdain, I can see where some might not want to comment as much. My apologies for being too forthright.
- Melanie Reed
And here comes CW who never really participates in a thread other than to piss on it.
- Akiva
Micah, roflol
- Melanie Reed
I disagree CW. I think Leo is serious. He's right about the number of comments decreasing on his feeds. He's concerned.
- Garmon Estes
jcunwired, Is that *you* generally inclusive or of me in particular? ;)
- Melanie Reed
RE: "You understand that when I say "engagement" I don't mean the quality of the feed. That's unchanged. I mean the conversation around the posts. The number of comments. I get very few even for the live in-show conversations on TWiT. You guys are getting _more_ comments than before?" (Leo's actual point, way up there) Has the amount of direct TWiT interaction on live feed and/or actual site has risen? Why post a comment in FFeed when you have chat, etc going direct. People migrate to the source.
- Michael W. May
+++Christopher Harley
- Melanie Reed
Christopher Harley, once again, does well for himself on FriendFeed.
- Akiva
Qui tacet Consentit
- Melanie Reed
Aaaaaaaaand this is where I come back in. Hi Leo! First off, in regards to the TWiT Conversations room, what from I recall, it never really had massive traction except for a few episodes (usually around hot button topics). I'm there because I love FriendFeed, TWiT and typing long sentences. The reason I usually like a show thread within 5 seconds is because I'm looking out for them. I...
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- Johnny
*hands Johnny W a beer. This browser window is now a window on to the world -- not just a parallel TechCrunch channel.
- Christopher Galtenberg
+1 Micah. Let's all just invite more friends here, eh? People that like the web should also be on FriendFeed.
- Christopher Galtenberg
Micah, I will! *Hands Micah an Oatmeal Stout so he won't feel left out* :)
- Melanie Reed
Create a fake Twitter or Facebook front end and use Friendfeed as the back end. Invite friends.
- Jesper Lind
Micah and Christopher G. That is a challenge I would like to accept.
- Melanie Reed
Once again, the FF naysayers come out, and once again I chime in. I can't speak for the community-at-large, but I can say that I have built a network on FF and it's effective enough for me that it has become the most used site for me on a daily basis. Let's remember, folks: We all have choices, and those choices aren't for everyone. Just use whatever works for you.
- Fleagle
Leo, Jesse, I've noticed the same thing but guess where I see the majority of your content? (I also agree that FriendFeed is the best social media service there is.)
- Mark Davidson
from BuddyFeed
I'm getting as many if not more comments than I did before. I'm not seeing the level of engagement go down.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
Fewer people are getting engaged on FF opting instead to just shack-up.
- Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
Leo, where is your comment that Micah was referring to? Thanks!
- Melanie Reed
i guess so too.. but i still prefer it than twitter...
- Daniele - Viralavatar
Ed, you should say the problem of *some* of the ubernerds moving on...
- Bruce Lewis
Sounds like you need to broaden out your feed a bit, Leo. I will admit that things can be a bit sparse at times, but overall, my feed is usually jumping. And when it's not, that tells me that it's time to pay attention to some different people.
- Steven Perez
i have a HUGE level of engagement on FF. you get what you give!
- Hieronymous Boosh
so wait, all these ppl complaining about the dying of "engagement" on FF are just sitting around and waiting for others to comment on the things they post that may or may not actually be of interest to anyone? did they also just stand next to the gym wall during school dances?
- Hieronymous Boosh
Leo, broheim, dude, you need to sub to the right people. Take that Josh Haley guy, for instance. He podcasts with that Aussie guy Johnny Worthington on the FFundercats, who has been on your show. Awesome by association? ;)
- Josh Haley
HALEY'S A SPAMMER HALEY'S A SPAMMER
- Akiva
That I don't understand at all
- Mark
(Also, I kind of wonder if Scoble didn't put Leo up to this.)
- Akiva
Yes, Joe. That's pretty much what happens. I think they have forgotten how this social media stuff works. LOL. Akiva, this post does feel very familiar, doesn't it?
- Rahsheen?
:(
- Josh Haley
What would make it great... would be if we could purge everyone who hasn't actually logged in for like.. six months
- Shawn Farner
If engagement annoys but more engagement is wanted....Hmmmmm....
- Melanie Reed
Who's not playing nice? [bats eyelashes]
- Akiva
Yeah, see, a seasoned FFer would know when Akiva calls you a spammer, it means he thinks you're hot. And when I make a frowny face it means a ponderous barely smiling face about to eat ice cream.
- Josh Haley
I must be following the truly committed. I haven't seen much change.
- Jack&Cleo
Hrm. I think you're following me, so that's saying a lot.....since I'm awesome.
- Rahsheen?
There, Jeff, now you have one more.
- Mary B: #TeamMonique
Leo, I am now sub'd to you.
- Melanie Reed
I don't know, Micah, are we coopting the thread if we do? Tangentially, of course. I had Blue Bunny Turtle singles. It was ok. The turtle part was a little slow but the ice cream part went down real fast! :)
- Melanie Reed
Ice cream is serious tech. One little mistake and it's all gross.
- Josh Haley
No fair - you guys get the good stuff in Houston, Josh
- Jesse Stay
Yeah, Jesse, that's right. Not only are there NASA engineers down there but they raise dairy cows nearby!
- Melanie Reed
with big horns!
- Jesse Stay
*noms on some Blue Bell Moolenium Crunch*
- Josh Haley
I knew it. I shoulda gone for the hi-tech Blue Bunny ice cream sandwhich *regrets* and now needs to debug order
- Melanie Reed
It's sad, but it just proves that the best service doesn't always prevail. For awhile it was riding that sweet spot where it wasn't so popular that it degenrated into a pile of youtube-level detritus, yet was popullar enough that good conversations grew. Now it's quiet, but I still enjoy the diehards who remain.
- Laura Norvig
150+ comments does not seem to be "too bad" of a conversation...
- MB Linder
Bring some Del Taco with you.
- Josh Haley
Laura N, Bruce Willis is on FriendFeed!?!?! Alert Demi right away!
- Micah
Del Taco? Papasitos FTW!
- Jesse Stay
Dude...99 cents vs 30 bucks?
- Josh Haley
Well, you could go for Whataburger - Is Del Taco even from Texas?
- Jesse Stay
Wow. I just got censored on this thread. That's never happened on FF before. Perhaps I spoke too soon in singing its praises.
- Fleagle
Del Taco of Calif...can't say I miss. Baja Fresh however!
- Micah
Jesse, not where I am. Micah, I love Baja Fresh too.
- Josh Haley
I disagree completely. I'm seeing plenty of engagement on my feed, and am still regularly getting new subscribers (which I always found rather baffling). Y'all are just not hanging in the right places.
- Ruchira S. Datta
Christopher G said, "Let's just invite more friends here". I had that same thought last week and I'm putting my CD where my mouth is: http://friendfeed.com/ffunder...
- Spidra Webster
Spidra - well done! (I plugged you earlier in the thread: http://friendfeed.com/leolapo... :)
- Micah
in the category "Poster from Texas With the Best Lack of Engagement Observation Line" and the Winner is....Glen Campbell for his comment: "*sigh* Just no engagement at all any more. *sob* " *Cheers as the orchestra cues up to "Rhinestone Cowboy" as Glen makes his way to the podium to accept his award*
- Melanie Reed
I guess my comment on this thread is not engaging enough. :(
- imabonehead
Are you from Texas, inabonehead? :)
- Melanie Reed
Thanks, Micah! I was about 3/4 of the way down reading the comments when I jumped ahead to post so I'm sorry if I repeated waht was already said upthread. The thread keeps jumping around in my feed and I was afraid it would move again before I could finish reading.
- Spidra Webster
Melanie - No, but close. California! :P
- imabonehead
Don't apologize - I couldn't provide linkage at the time. Onward and upward! :-)
- Micah
I could post the show notes on our wiki, but I like the idea of making them public in real time so people can comment (which they do less and less). I'll continue to show my confidence in ff by posting show notes here in the TWiT-Conversations room, the stories we're planning to talk about in the TWiT, Macbreak Weekly, and TWiG rooms, and when there's an interesting conversation I'll...
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- Leo Laporte
please do that leo, having the conversations and story entries here in friendfeed is valuable even if it is only used sparingly - may become a nice 'backchannel' as steve gillmor would call it
- Chris Heath
Thank you, Leo, I would appreciate that as well as a reminder.
- Melanie Reed
201 people, Leo.
- DGentry
The FIR guys pull show content from their FF room. Perhaps TWiT should too.
- Bernie Goldbach
I just started to get involved, too...:( I like this place!
- Jason Hill
You can expect every water cooler to be a Twitter-style conversation pit.
- Bernie Goldbach
This thread at least shows FF isn't *completely* dead... :)
- Thomas
the only people left are the usual suspects.
- Russellreno
This thread has 188 comments so far!
- Son of Groucho
already dismissed cos of the topic. ANYTHING TO PROP UP A FALTERING PREMISE!!!
- Hieronymous Boosh
I too, like you Leo, was looking for a Twitter replacement and even though FF is more of a aggregation, I really think its the platform that's _made_ for what Twitter is supposed to do, comment on someone's "life feed" and FF makes it that much more simpler. I always thought Pownce was ten times better than Twitter with all the sharing of multimedia, too bad that died. Twitter died for...
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- Michel
Friendfeed works perfectly well... and the amount of content in my network is the same. Just what is this "engagement" you speak of and why should anyone care?
- Goran Zec
There was only a Handful of Sychophantic Suckups - never any real Engagement*
- Billy Warhol
there's a buttload more than 200 ppl on FF, Leo. :P
- Hieronymous Boosh
@Leo: maybe your engagement on FF is way down cos all the people who are sick of you and R. Scoble crowing about its demise are starting to block you? consider that.
- Hieronymous Boosh
I am new here and can't keep up with all the interaction I see and am experiencing!
- Paulette
alot of the ones going on about FF dying are almost never on here except to make declarations. they don't take part and then bitch about no one commenting on their posts. plz don't follow their example.
- Hieronymous Boosh
joe, Leo's not going on about FF dying... this is probably the first time he's mentioned it - and he has reason - his engagement has declined on friendfeed - it's a measurable value that can be quantified - he's not being a dick about it either so cut him some slack
- Chris Heath
okay, fair enough. sorry for my apparently knee-jerk response.
- Hieronymous Boosh
It seems obvious from the length of this thread that if you have a subject that people are interested in they will engage. But if your subject matter doesn't interest the audience well ... So either you change the subject matter or change the audience (that might mean going somewhere else).
- Brian Sullivan
Unlikely that Leo will change his subject matter Brian. And any meta discussion on a site about that site will likely trigger a bigger reaction than just about any other topic. (see digg numbers for articles about digg) -- Either way Leo's IRC chat probably has more to do with his declining engagement here than anything else
- Chris Heath
I wonder how much of this lack of engagement for Leo and others is due to Robert Scoble not being here. I suspect on his own with both his comments and his followers/posse he attracted many people to a thread and discussion and with him not participating this type of discussion has dropped off considerably.
- Brian Sullivan
I always show newbies Friendfeed as THE EXAMPLE of how tools can be utilized to filter the noise, surface relevant content (through both sharing AND advanced search), have great conversations and embed them back on your site/blog . What else could I show them that has the same functionality without a steep learning curve?
- Chris Myles
Better does not always mean it will be more popular. I post to twitter, but do it through friendfeed because the twitter interface really stinks. Perhaps it is marketing?
- Cris Fugate
maybe, but I see it more as a conflict between Leo's IRC chat room (which is fleeting) and the friendfeed discussions http://friendfeed.com/twit-co... (which are permanent) -- i view the IRC as the peanut gallery type of conversations that i usually pass on (at least during twit) and the friendfeed discussions as more serious
- Chris Heath
Definately Chris. I wonder if Leo needs to plug the FF room more.
- Roberto Bonini
from iPhone
Cris I agree and use FF or seesmic to post to twitter (does anyone use the web interface?). I think it might be a timing issue.. I really don't think main stream users (with a full inbox and overloaded schedule) *really* understand the power of sharing content and conversations YET. Throw them at twitter or facebook and they'll never see the value through the noise. Hopefully *crosses...
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- Chris Myles
Roberto, he's plugged it plenty... the IRC is very sticky and hard to break away from with it's hundreds of users (peak 1000) -->> also I totally agree with Chris Myles about using "Friendfeed as THE EXAMPLE of how tools can be utilized to filter the noise, surface relevant content (through both sharing AND advanced search), have great conversations and embed them back on your site/blog." <<---- what a great way to put the key points that make friendfeed so great
- Chris Heath
I like FF for a lot of reasons. My company blocks IRC but does not block FriendFeed.
- Peter Costello
No decline for me, I've seen it go back up to nearly what it was before the Facebook takeover. I guess it's different for every user.
- Kol Tregaskes
Ok where's Louis? It's not like him to stay out of a thread this long.
- Jason Williams
from iPhone
Who's Louis?
- WoH: Professor MOTHRA
Is he that guy from Louis-ville?
- Micah
Chris (Heath).. The sad thing is I show them friendfeed but don't train them on it (at least initially). I use Google Reader and posterous as the two tools to get them started. I would love to create private groups for sharing/discussing content but I can't vouch for friendfeed's long term viability. It's a bummer really!!
- Chris Myles
Louis is probably working his way down from the top (of this thread).. he might be here in an hour or so :) Leo I think this would be an example of pretty good engagement.
- Chris Myles
I'm not gonna read everything that's already being said in this thread, but I have to say (after seeing the first comments) that it seems like several feeds are still alive, but as soon as you don't interact too much with those people behind it, you don't get any feedback from them. It seems like this group, which I do like btw, is seperating itselves from what is going on apart from...
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- Ton Zijp
IIRC, Turkish users outweigh U.S. users on Friendfeed, or at least are a close second.
- Laura Norvig
Friendfeed should have taken the world by storm instead of Twitter. It is a far superior platform. Alas it didn't happen and so the reality is people are going to focus on apps where the action is happening and the creators are still responding to requests for improvement. A testament to the Friendfeed app is that Twitter still hasn't made it to where Friendfeed is now, even with the...
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- Phil Ashman
So where have all the Techies gone then??
- Amani
@Amani - to work!
- Phill Price
from iPhone
++1 echostreamer :)
- JA Castillo
too much babble and too few meaningful meaty links, digg, reddit give more bite!
- daveeza
"Social" means some babble
- Mo Kargas
I'm sure that most of the 224 comments have already said this, but you sir are very very very much so wrong.
- Mathew™ aka Youngblood
And to those complaining about no tech: your right, the tech talk has gone down. But, as someone who is very into tech I don't come to friendfeed looking to always talk about tech. I love talking about everything here and I love all the different convos that come up here.
- Mathew™ aka Youngblood
chirp chirp
- Susan Beebe
Mathew, I tend to agree. I get plenty of tech information from my RSS feed. The more social aspect of FF is what keeps me coming back every day.
- Jeff P. Henderson
i get all my tech news from FriendFeed (via RSS or equivalent) and from Leo and his TWiT netcast network
- Chris Heath
from email
Plaxo Pulse (or stream?) is the next big thing! (or not...)
- Alex Luft
anyone here?? am i here by myself?
- imabonehead
nope, me too!
- Alex Luft
Leo, if you'd post links for some of your show's rooms, I'd make a point of subscribing to them. Then, even if I can't make the shows, I'd check out the rooms - I bet other people would too. And I do hope you'll hang out more on FF as you said you would in the thread. BTW, folks, it was nice to see a few new faces here - at least new to me. And, hi, echostreamer!
- Mary B: #TeamMonique
I wish FF had picked up enough critical mass to have cool discussions in multiple areas - e.g. movies, food, travel, tech, etc... Imagine if lots of topics had 1,000-2,000 comments/likes on popular articles. My hope is that Facebook will pick up some of the long-term storage/search features of FF...and that some sub-groups of Facebook end up being as engaging as FriendFeed circa...
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- Mitchell Tsai
It's IS sad .... Very sad
- Charlie Anzman
I am reminded of how much of an underutilized service this is every time I log on, you're absolutely right.
- Bronson Harrington
.... wow what? that's all you have to say after reading all this?
- Chris Heath
*bump*
- imabonehead
well, Leo... I agree that friendfeed is the best in its class... and it's sad to see the facebook-induced decline of traffic here.... But damn, it sure seems like there is plenty of traffic based on THIS post. Geez!
- Justin Bradshaw
Yes very engaging post! I was drawn to it because I am guilty of abandoning my FF page as of late. My FF world is made up of amazing inspired artists who dazzle me with their posts, but because I am not a part of that community I have nothing to share of interest to them so there is no conversation, It is not surprising that Leo inspired this conversation ..he never disappoints & I just found out we share the same birthday so the Saggie gift of gab strikes again!
- Alannah Ryane
Hope FF picks back up. It seems to have many more dimensions than it's competitors and loads of potential.
- TradersLog
ZING
- Chris Heath
you are buzzing via friendfeed. How to do?
- Phillip Atencio
you hook up your friendfeed to you buzz... in buzz it's called "connected sites" --- that simple
- Chris Heath
Live now: MacBreak Weekly 178 with Andy Ihnatko, Merlin Mann, and Chris Breen.. http://live.twit.tv Discuss here....
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Tease: the war between Apple and Google is on, why wide screen iPad is a bad idea, and Amazon surrenders... for now.
- Leo Laporte
Leo. You should do what a lot of impressionists do which is record a video doing all your accents and impressions one after another
- Mark
You may be Mel Blanc's illegitimate son or something
- Mark
Inconvenient Truth was last year... "Michael J. Fox added to his long list of awards and honors with a Grammy win for the audiobook recording of Always Looking Up: The Adventures of an Incurable Optimist at the 52nd Grammy Awards on January 31, 2010"
- Ken Sheppardson
always hard to chose, watch live or wait for the podcast..
- FullSite
Watch it live, and do something else at the same time.
- Mark
I usually shove it on another monitor and play a game on the main one.
- Mark
New iPhone and iTouch update out NOW http://www.redmondpie.com/downloa...
- Sailee316
Hi, listening & watching live from London, UK.
- 7deacons
I don't know what to make of the iPad?
- 7deacons
well... http://img.skitch.com/2010020...
- FullSite
I will be buying one no doubt for £499 for a $499 product.
- Mark
i'll buy one for my son (7 year)
- FullSite
and on for my mother (56)
- FullSite
I am POSITIVE there will be a jailbreak for the IPAD too, so that will be good
- Mark
With the 1GHZ cpu should be able to run some good software on it, illegitmatley.
- Mark
in case you missed Andy Ihnatko's take on the iPad http://www.suntimes.com/technol...
- FullSite
No Joke. Brand new iSlate rumors! http://www.macrumors.com/2010...
- Sailee316
Andy Ihnatko may have an ipad right now... He has a history of getting access to early hardware. He got the 3gs early and used it in front of Leo last year and no one noticed.
- Mark
It might be 18 inches in front of him right now
- Mark
there's a room in FF for the iPad please join ;) http://friendfeed.com/ipadroom
- FullSite
I never buy v1 of any device (iPad), but will buy v2.
- 7deacons
I wish leo would embed this room under the video on twitlive
- Mark
A bit like how Scoble does for the GIllmor Gang
- Mark
BREAKING: New iPhone and iTouch update adds "iPad" to dictionary.
- Sailee316
(would probably increase comments if everyone sees it)
- Mark
my iPhone can spell iPad, but is in italian...
- FullSite
if the industry embrace the 30pin connector or bluetooth sync with the iPad it can be huge
- FullSite
Html5 vs flash cpu use of the sublime video http://skitch.com/fox2gol...
- FullSite
In 2 or 3 years after html 5 goes mainstream, Flash will then slowly disappear.
- 7deacons
Really I just want websites to work when I go to them. The politics of flash don't interest me. Just make my sites work.
- Todd Hoff
Twitlive.tv uses 100% CPU on my laptop :( I usually have to listen to the audio stream if I am on the go.
- Mark
Using my iPhone to replace my laptop for me means Flash is a pain :-(
- 7deacons
oO waterproof case for the iPad!
- FullSite
The thing about a tablet is that the screen is not protected when in a travel bag, unlike a laptop :-(
- 7deacons
Can something that can't be extended really be considered an OS? I don't think so. It's really more a consumer device as a service approach than an OS.
- Todd Hoff
Does the iPad have a mini-usb, now standard (law) for cell phones in Europe?
- 7deacons
The iPad frame has a hole for a camera
- 7deacons
Just joined the room in FF for the iPad!
- 7deacons
nice :-)
- FullSite
Would love to see more people in this FF feed :-(
- 7deacons
It's weird. Gillmor Gang gets hundreds of comments. Some weeks Windows Weekly get lots, others none. I don't know how it works out.
- Mark
I think its if there is interesting news. There is no news really. Ipad is done to death
- Mark
Gillmor Gang has a group of half a dozen or so core fans who are FF users and the guests (e.g. Scoble, Kevin Marks) are often on FF during the show. The room is also embedded on the GG page. And it's the only chat. Leo's core "chat" is really IRC.
- Ken Sheppardson
It's a pity that all the feeds/irc channels can't be connected together?
- 7deacons
16:9 would be good! Now the standard shape for most screens.
- 7deacons
mmm who is going to watch a movie on these things and hold them upright for 90 minutes?
- Mark
Holy crap the same applies to reading.
- Mark
Good point
- 7deacons
Imagine you are sitting on a chair, with the thing in your hand. You have to bend your head down to look at the screen and hold it in your hands too. Crap.
- Mark
Ill be knackered after using it
- Mark
Merlin's back? Yay. I miss the "Rathole" sounder.
- Ha3rvey #teamMonique
Time to take my dog for a walk. I am installing the Ustream video application on my iphone. Lets see how this works in the real world.
- Mark
*turns 3G on*
- Mark
*navigates to TWiT Live*
- Mark
Nice. Leo you need an IPAD application with a big video window, and two tabs underneath, one tab with IRC chat and one with your Friendfeed room.
- Mark
YES! :-)
- 7deacons
Good to see Merlin back on MacBreak. Any news on Scott?
- 7deacons
Audible Pick: Last Words, George Carlin http://www.audible.com/adbl...
- Leo Laporte
Chris Breen's Pick: RipIt https://secure.thelittleappfactory.com/store...
- Leo Laporte
Andy's Pick: CSSEdit http://macrabbit.com/cssedit/
- Leo Laporte
Merlin's Pick: Notational Velocity http://notational.net/
- Leo Laporte
Leo - Thanks for the links!
- 7deacons
Cilantro Couch
- Ken Sheppardson
Leo's Pick: Pollux for iTunes, http://polluxapp.com
- Leo Laporte
Great show as usual, glad that Merlin is back. Good Night (Buonanotte) from Italy ;)
- FullSite
yup if that other diet thing goes under ied go with jenny creig or nutri stystem witch eveers most convinute 4 u
- daveccorey
Great show. Glad to see Merlin. Chris Breen has a real internet connection. Andy is so funny. Love spending the afternoon with all of you. I think the iPad is really being misunderstood just like the development of the iPod. So many more people will use the iPad than the 'experts' are predicting.
- Kelly J
I wish it was 1280x1024 so I can read my downloaded comic files better.
- Mark
Internet Explorer 8 Officially Becomes World’s Most-Used Browser (via @windowsblog) http://windowsteamblog.com/blogs... @Microsoft still has immense power
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Who are these crazy people using Internet Explorer? The damn thing is so slow. Open 30 tabs in Chrome at once. Now go do the same in Internet Explorer. You will get 100% cpu usage and your system will have a complete spaz attack.
- Mark
You'd be surprised at the number of people who think that Internet Explorer is the only way to get on the web. I've watched people sit down in front of a computer that has a full-screen Firefox on it. They minimize it, then look for the big blue "e" icon, to go look at a webpage. If the "e" icon is not there, they are lost. Sidenote: My hobby is removing IE from public computers then watching people try to deal with it. :D
- Otto
If only IE took less memory and ran faster. It just doesn't have the horse-power of Firefox or Chrome.
- Justin Hitt
Most people just want the website to display when then go to it -- they don't care about multiple tabs, memory use, esoteric differences in speed.
- Brian Sullivan
It's the default browser in computers sold at Wal-Mart
- Tim Jones
Adobe CTO Kevin Lynch Defends Flash, Warns HTML5 Will Throw The Web “Back To The Dark Ages Of Video” - http://www.techcrunch.com/2010...
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Of course he does, its going to erode a big part of his revenues.
- Mark
Yes, but the fact of the matter is that he's right. We'll be back in the days of codec madness, unless somebody can standardize on what video formats are acceptable for the web. We've standardized on GIF/PNG/JPG for images, we *need* a standard for video and audio that everybody will support. Otherwise HTML 5 will not succeed in replacing Flash video. Firefox is doing OGG Theora, Safari...
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- Otto
HTML5 works in Chrome and Firefox doesn't it? When I go to Internet Archive and play a video it asks me if i want to use HTML5 movie instead of flash.
- Mark
Otto nothing prevents Flash from slowly and then quickly losing share as HTML 5 and H.264 intersect in the marketplace. Flash is doomed.
- Steve Gillmor
Steve: Firefox doesn't support H.264 video in HTML 5, and has no plans to do so. This incompatibility of web browsers and codecs is a real pain in the ass for developers like myself, and it's one reason HTML 5 is not gaining much acceptance in this respect. Resorting to hacky workarounds or telling my users to use one browser over another is not an acceptable substitute for simply using a format that works everywhere.
- Otto
On the other hand it may just create a demand for on-the-fly transcoding services (like Flip4Mac) -- 'works everywhere' can work in lots of different ways.
- Cliff Gerrish
Mark: A big developer like Google has the hardware and the capability to transcode video into multiple formats and support all possible standards using browser detection and such (like YouTube does). Those of us running our own stuff can't quite do that sort of thing.
- Otto
Cliff: Pay-to-play is a pretty shitty way to build an open standard.
- Otto
Mahalo brings fruit + nuts to everyone's desk at 3pm. Yum! - http://www.flickr.com/photos...
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My boss could learn so much from you.
- MarkCarras
From 2013: "Mahalo.com ceased operating today according to a report on Mashable. All 48 staff were let go over the weekend by CEO Jason Calicanus. The site had struggled to build a financial model which could generate sufficient ROI to investors. Critics point out the needless spending that Calicanus undertook over the years including hiring a full time chef to accommodate his employees"
- Mark
centernetworks: wow- mashable has passed techcrunch on the technorati 100 leaderboard - http://twitter.com/centern...
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Mashable is killing TC. They stick to reporting the news instead of trying to BE the news. Arrington could learn a lot from Mashable but there is sooo much ego.
- Mark
More iPad thoughts - http://www.scripting.com/stories...
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This took 1 hour to arrive on Friendfeed from Scripting News.
- Mark
Get some context on the iPad and capture the real picture with this collaborative SWOT. Just add your bits. http://bit.ly/awfnNS Take away what you need. Have fun!
- Peter Judd
RT @apatrizio: @Scobleizer this is hilarious. flash is as ubiquitous as html, and suddenly, when apple doesn't support it, the herd declares it dead??
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the herd may have more of a clue than Andy
- Steve Gillmor
you guys love to declare things dead
- Mark
It is for totally selfish reasons that Apple doesn't support Flash --nothing lofty just plain old money grubbing.
- Brian Sullivan
If it was important enough then Apple would have to support it in order to maximize their profitability. That's why they don't drop HTML
- Matt Terenzio
oh please maximize their profitability.
- Steve Gillmor
not incapable, they don't want to
- Steve Gillmor
this is becoming silly now. If Gillmor says something, Winer says the total opposite. Are you both trying to wind each other up ? It's a consistent thing.
- Mark
If you read an opinion post on Scripting News from Dave, you can bet the exact opposite sentiment will be expressed on TechCrunch IT and vice versa.
- Mark
On the iPad at least they should put Flash 10.1 but put ClickToFlash on top of it. That would be the best compromise so people could get to Flash content when they want to, but it would spare the CPU, memory and battery most of the time.
- Ed Millard
They don't want to because it isn't in their best interest. Unless they are just insane. If it was they would support it. Not sure I understand how you could argue with that Steve.
- Matt Terenzio
iPad is going to be a little marginal for social networking without some Flash access since so much social networking link vomit leads to Flash, and Facebook's brain dead gaming experience is totally centered around it.
- Ed Millard
I think Gillmor is right — Apple is out to kill Flash. My guess is that's because of video, but as someone who creates games with Flash it's quite depressing: http://www.fanboy.com/2010...
- Michael Pinto
How did Steve play the YouTube HD video without Flash?
- Harold Gilchrist
Flash keeps an mp4 file of every video uploaded That quicktime on the iphone software can run of course.
- Mark
Its easy to switch YouTube to H.264 and play video without Flash, ClickToFlash and iPhone do it. Its also quite possible iPad will have Flash Jobs just didn't want to announce it yet, and wanted Adobe to twist in the wind a little longer.
- Ed Millard
Considering Apple just updated their official videos of the ipad and the video now shows the New York Times website with the flash-not-found icon I think not.
- Mark
Doesn't this hurt the iPad more then Flash?. Makes me think twice about buying one.
- Harold Gilchrist
It is going to hurt iPad a lot more than it did iPhone.
- Ed Millard
but u lead that herd all the time. So why suddenly exclude yourself from it.You try and sway peoples minds about technology x or y and it is based on your own assumptions etc... Well maybe you shall be more objective & hope people can make informed decisions on their own though unfortunately those folks are far and few..
- Baba
I think what a lot are forgetting is almost all Flash games require keyboard/mouse interaction to play. They are worthless in a mobile touch environment. So in addition to being a resource hog, having Flash really doesn't buy Apple much, users wouldn't gain much and once video is all H.264 that gain goes even lower.
- PXLated
Adapting games wouldn't be that big a deal if there was Flash on iPhone/iPad Flash game developers would adapt pretty quickly. True that if you can kill Flash video its usefulness goes way down. First question, is Microsoft shipping a browser with HTML/5 support yet? Second question will all browsers support H.264? Answer there is already no, Firefox wont, not sure about Microsoft. Third, will all video sites switch, Wikipedia is a no. H.264 is proprietary like Flash. HTML/5 video is still balkanized...
- Ed Millard
Yes Ed, they could adapt but the point is "the full web experience" as some say isn't and wouldn't be without all the Flash developers reworking everything and then it would still be inferior to native apps.
- PXLated
Without games and with half the video gone, what's left for the Flash argument except p0rn? :-)
- PXLated
Reworking inputs is a days work kind of thing, rewriting all Flash games in HTML/5 from scratch is a months to years thing, and it wont even start until a credible percentage of browsers even support HTML/5 reliably. Exactly how much actual finished HTML/5 content is there available on the web now? People talk like HTML/5 is here. I've never actually seen any other than demos and HTML/5 video is still completely fractured since H.264 is just as proprietary as Flash, key players wont do OGG.
- Ed Millard
I should add I hate Flash, hate Adobe, I don't want to defend it, I completely washed my hands of it after years of disappointment, only thing I liked about it is the revolution it started in web video, but people who think you are gonna throw a switch and have something free, open, superior in every way any time soon are kidding themselves.
- Ed Millard
Ed: Exactly!
- Mo Kargas
Ed - Yes, they could rework and offer alternate versions. The bigger question I guess is will anyone with an iPhone/iPad even care with all the games in the App store. Buy bet is no.
- PXLated
Probably true, facebook games would probably be one area there is demand. Problem is its a little hard for me or you to unilaterally decide what other people do and don't want. I hate Flash games universally. As I've said repeatedly only thing I value Flash for is video. Personally if you can throw the switch and switch the web over to something better for video Flash is gone for me, I only use it for video through ClickToFlash now, but... H.264 isn't open.
- Ed Millard
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I'll be posting info here.
- Robert Scoble
See, this is exactly the sort of thing I'm talking about: http://friendfeed.com/otto42... :)
- Otto
Al işte robert scoble da kopardı kayışı :) (çağdaş uğraşmıyorum sen tercüme ediver :P)
- kaloglu[twitter]
please post to the iSlate Friendfeed Group http://friendfeed.com/islate-...
- Hans Kainz
twitter is dragging big time now
- Ryan
Yeah, Twitter is slow slow slow.
- Robert Scoble
Robert..What benchmark do you use for best live coverage?
- Jim Posner
hey scoble, long time no talk :). what do you all think abt steve announcing retirement today?
- Robbie Trencheny
Cool! Any opinions on what's the best live stream to watch for coverage?
- .LAG liked that
LAG: right here. I will post whenever someone has good live stuff.
- Robert Scoble
Hey Robert
- Keith Teare
Also: Oracle+Sun.
- Bill Jackson
Right now Leo Laporte has best live stream
- Robert Scoble
Shame we can't get recent comments at top
- Keith Teare
Hi Keith, yeah, FriendFeed has a lot of UI things that bug me too.
- Robert Scoble
or here yeah
- Robbie Trencheny
Do you think gdgt will have the best inside coverage?
- Jim Posner
@Robert - i made a list of twitterers covering the event live, then threw it in my blog: http://www.livedigitally.com/2010...
- Jeremy Toeman
Stephen Fry is there apparently. Hah
- Jalada
and direct link to the list: http://twitter.com/jtoeman...
- Jeremy Toeman
Robbie: I'm posting the best Tweets to http://twitter.com/scoblei... Jeremy, that's a cool small list. My list of tech journalists is more complete.
- Robert Scoble
Keith, if your in the feed, click on timestamp, then click timestamp again. The comments will pin to the bottom.
- Micah
@Robert - but my list is just people covering it. yours has me in it (sweet!), and i won't be covering it...
- Jeremy Toeman
Jeremy: Thanks, added that to what I'm watching
- Jalada
Jeremy: hopefully you'll add more cause I've seen a few tech journalists who are there who aren't on your list.
- Robert Scoble
Cloud integration getting lot's of coverage. I hope it happens..Will really ignite cloud adoption.
- Jim Posner
I'd rather have a tablet a day to keep me healthy
- Swaroop
Apple "flavored" tablet that is.
- Swaroop
I'll be watching. I have Leo on my tv but you know what's all weird abut this coverage? EVERYONE is excited about it! Even non-apple peeps. I think we're all hoping for something that will change our lives tangibly.
- Sheryl
@Robert - planning to, it's incredibly hard sifting through twitter search to find who is *actually* there versus who is just RTing others
- Jeremy Toeman
This is Raju from iSites Team. How are you guys doing?
- Raju Sagiraju
I'm in Sydney, Australia right now. The TWIT stream doesn't work and the audio stream doesn't appear to work at all.
- Gary
I'm in Canada just up the road and it works fine here, sorry to hear your struggling with the feed.
- Owen Greaves
I would pay to watch a live stream of the apple event!
- Raju Sagiraju
History has it that the Apple -Eve saw changed.... ! Apple is going to change communications and... !
- kailas desai
thanks Scobleizer... I'll stay on this thread then!
- .LAG liked that
i've got Scoble's tech-news-people list running on http://twitterfall.com (disc: I'm the lead developer there ;) )
- Jalada
@HansKainz... thanks for the link, opening up a new window for that... thank goodness I have a 30-inch monitor :)
- .LAG liked that
I'm monitoring #AppleLive on Twitter, Robert Scoble on FriendFeed and Twit.tv
- Owen Greaves
Bunch of iPhone blog editors talking the announcements here: http://friendfeed.com/2010-01...
- 148Apps
@Jalada - can you add mine too by any chance? http://twitter.com/jtoeman...
- Jeremy Toeman
Jeremy: Oh yeah, sorry, I am running that too :D
- Jalada
Has anyone seen our Blausen Human Atlas on the itablet yet? Interested in feedback
- BlausenGroup
@Jalada how do i find it?
- Jeremy Toeman
GUys, Leo Laporte has over 20000 viewers on his site!
- Mark
Jeremy - on Twitterfall you can add lists to view in realtime by just typing the name in the lists text box on the left :)
- Jalada
e.g. @jtoeman/appletabletlive
- Jalada
these are the latest from an hour ago...http://i.gizmodo.com/5458217...
- Ryan
got it - cool!
- Jeremy Toeman
apple store still up
- Ryan
Ryan: It's the big surprise - no new product today ;)
- Jalada
Happy apple day everyone :)
- Hitesh Parashar
thanks @rene
- Keith Teare
Hitesh or maybe they're announcing v2 of the Apple HiFi
- Mike Doeff
surely that's iHiFi?
- Roger Pettett
from twhirl
Mike - yeah that explains the excitement :)
- Hitesh Parashar
I'm broadcasting live from http://ustream.tv/scobleizer now, let me know if you can hear it OK.
- Robert Scoble
yup can hear it fine
- Jalada
Apple may really need to make this tablet a success since less than extraordinary iPhone shipments in this last quarter may point to rival phones blocking further iPhone steep incline.
- Tim Jones
Ooooh only a few minutes till Apple tablet news kicks off. Can't wait to see what Job's reveals
- Susan Beebe
The Apple announcement brought FF down for a while:-)
- Francine Hardaway
Google Wave anybody ?
- Kashif Khan
it's up and down
- James Prudente
would love to see the carriers' net utilization stats during this thing...
- Eric
Please post a Wave URL if you've got one.
- Steve and 4 other people
Using http://friendfeed.com/iphone is a bit more reliable, but not realtime.
- Steve and 4 other people
And here we are. Thanks!
- Jon Winters
live.twit.tv not responding.
- Micah
Micah: ustream is struggling.
- Robert Scoble
Listening to Leo LaPorte & following Scoble here & Gizmodo
- Rosalinda Mojarro
Can't get twit.am to load via iphone here
- Ryan
Nice live, auto-updating coverage with pics at GDGT: http://live.gdgt.com/2010... *Found this link in Robert's FF!
- Kurt Starnes
So much for real time streaming and commenting. Now we know where the network breaks down in an "emergency"
- Francine Hardaway
well i have a public wave set up here https://wave.google.com/wave...
- Kashif Khan
I can't believe Steve Jobs hasn't taken over the live-streaming part of the presentation. My memories are going to be of Leo's voice getting lost in the digital haze.
- Ian McGee
Scoble, cant hear you at ustream.
- Jayasimhan Masilamani
Pretty good audio at live.twit.tv
- Mike Doeff
i dont think friendfeed is used to this much activity anymore. site is failing for me non-stop. but i will say my simple list of 22 people is giving me a very *readable* way to follow the news...
- Jeremy Toeman
I wonder how much of it has to do with the fact that there's no one dedicated to minding the store anymore.
- Akiva
Apple is the largest mobile device manufacturer in the WORLD.
- Lakshman Prasad
friendfeed's working fine here
- Tim Jones
The site crashing is troublesome. Sign of the current state of FF.
- Mark Krynsky
all the live news sites are busted hah
- Allen Stern
Lakshman- I thought Nokia is the largest mobile device manufacturer in the WORLD, mobile being phones here. As for laptops, it would be one of the PC makers.
- Tim Jones
http://live.gdgt.com is fine
- Jalada
Doh - live.twit.tv lost the audio
- Mike Doeff
I'm watching live blog here http://www.engadget.com/2010... it's better than any live tv or any other shit i have been trying so far...
- Junal Rahman
http://live.twit.tv & http://live.gdgt.com/2010... are the best online resources I've found. The 2 combined is great.
- Mark Krynsky
Both Twit & GDGT working for me.
- Mark Krynsky
live.twit.tv is down - can't get there.
- Debi Jones
ipad!!!!
- Jayasimhan Masilamani
the crunchgear livestream is pretty bad...
- Allen Stern
Oh look it's a giant iPhone
- Jalada
damn gdgt is slick
- Allen Stern
iPad!
- Parth Awasthi
A tablet? Didn't see that one coming...
- Jemm
ha! Twitter crashed!
- .LAG liked that
I REALLY wanted them to not announce one :P hah
- Jalada
It's more beautiful than my girlfriend!
- Aycan Çevik
Even the calendar looks great
- Mike Doeff
aycan - it is my girlfriend
- Allen Stern
it's Fujitsu's iPad!
- Tim Jones
FriendFeed is back.
- Simon Cahuk
Hmm, I'm guessing the iPad will support Flash or else...total FAIL!
- Mark Krynsky
I'm sticking with the JooJoo :)
- Mike Doeff
FriendFeed crashed. GDGT is doing best job.
- Robert Scoble
...so it's about 17-inches diagonal?
- .LAG liked that
why is he describing these things like they're new - we've seen them on the iPhone
- Andrew Terry
waiting for Flash
- Tim Jones
broadcasting on CNBC right now.
- Thomas Hawk
No flash.
- Jeff P. Henderson
No Flash on device.
- Robert Scoble
CNBC just cut feed of jobs, talking about it now.
- Thomas Hawk
Besides it being a larger, slightly tweaked iPhone; why should I buy this? I really don't like how it looks exactly like a blown up iPhone.
- Joshua
AAPL stock down $5 per share.
- Thomas Hawk
Uh oh...@mmastrac just told me Engadget showed a missing plugin flash icon in a screenshot.
- Mark Krynsky
ipad.apple.com. Nothing.
- Aycan Çevik
CNBC: Steve Jobs looks much better, far more robust than the last time we saw him.
- Thomas Hawk
when u guys say flash do you mean Adobe Flash or Flash drive?
- Allen Stern
So far nothing that is different to a normal tablet
- Mark
The software is key
- Mark
CNBC: Steve Jobs is the modern day snake oil salesman.
- Thomas Hawk
So far a little underwhelming imo
- Kashif Khan
Yup, software is key, but so far haven't seen much revolutionary.
- Robert Scoble
$aapl always goes down on the announcement after a run up in the weeks before.
- Keith Teare
No Flash = TOTAL FAIL! It will be a long time for HTML 5 to take over.
- Mark Krynsky
Adobe
- Jalada
No flash? My #1 goal for one of these would be watching TV on Megavideo.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
is this on the cnbc.com Thom?
- Mark
Thomas: any live stream on the web?
- Robert Scoble
The whole internet in the palm of your hand, unless you want to visit a web site with flash.
- Jon Winters
Doesn't look like it has a video camera
- Keith Teare
not sure, watching CNBC live on TV. Can't find a live stream anywhere.
- Thomas Hawk
did he confirm no flash?
- Mark
Waiting for the punchline. How much $$$ ?
- Mike Doeff
Mark: If Apple keeps pushing away from Flash, than HTML5 will take over quicker than we know.
- Joshua
Folks please don't get carried away. so far its just a tablet pc, there have been MANY tablet pcs.
- Mark
It's just CNBC talking about it though. Paul Kredrodsky talking about it with CNBC live from the event.
- Thomas Hawk
Live audio here: http://live.twit.tv/
- Kurt Starnes
they are debating what it will price at.
- Thomas Hawk
Daring Fireball has a great explanation as to why Apple and Adobe are at odds over Flash, good read, if you're interested in why Flash is a problem for Apple: http://ff.im/-ePkYc
- .LAG liked that
fox business is showing some tape-delayed video live
- Allen Stern
Just a tablet PC like iPhone was just a mobile phone (Note: take a look at almost every smart phone since iPhone launch)
- Kurt Starnes
The price cant be high for a blank slate.
- Mark
Yes, Gruber has a very good explanation about Flash and Apple.
- Simon Cahuk
And whats with the huge bezel?
- Mark
CNBC: I think the name iPad is a mistake. Sue Herera: it reminds me of feminine products.
- Thomas Hawk
LAG...users won't be sympathetic to why Apple and Adobe are at odds...missing Flash is a dealbreaker.
- Mark Krynsky
I have one pill for all clinical apple fanboys (be it even whole usa population) - button HIDE
- A. T.
listening to laporte's ustream. i just yawned, but it could just be that i slept late last night
- Tim Jones
"Apple Drops an iDud" is a funny headline
- Mark
We will talk about this at http://ustream.tv/scobleizer
- Robert Scoble
Joshua...HTML 5 won't happen fast enough for the iPad...
- Mark Krynsky
But I think the price for iPad will be high :).
- Simon Cahuk
9.7" display
- David Damore
Did I hear that right?
- David Damore
0.5-inches thin, weighs just 1.5 pounds.
- .LAG liked that
Adobe has invited me to a Flash event in February that's going to be a pretty big deal, but no iPhone.
- Robert Scoble
good question by mossberg - does this ipad take away sales from the ipod tuch ?
- Allen Stern
There can't be any Flash. It's based on the iPhone OS, which currently doesn't have that capability either. What a surprise. Not really.
- LANjackal
100,000 peopel are watching TWIT Live
- Mark
CNBC: 10 hours of battery life.
- Thomas Hawk
10 hours of battery life? With wifi on?
- Robert Scoble
iPad runs a custom Apple chip -- the A4. That has to be a first - ever?
- Kurt Starnes
108,000 + viewers on TWiT Ustream channel.
- Debi Jones
a 1ghz chip :(
- Mark
Mark Krynsky... I agree with you of the deal-breaking aspect of no Flash
- .LAG liked that
this will boost sales of the Touch
- Bill Koslosky, MD
Mark - a custom chip though
- Jalada
can a 1ghz chip play HD video?
- Mark
I know my 1.4ghz atom struggles with 720p
- Mark
Pixel doubling? Are you serious? Runs apps at essentially 320x480? "Black box" 1:1 in the center of the screen? This is a joke.
- Steve and 4 other people
It is A4, an Audi, so yes, it can play HD video :).
- Simon Cahuk
Price? Shipping date?
- Francine Hardaway
lol! Pixel doubling! We used to do that making DOS games back in the day
- Mark
so, wait... no 3g?
- Andrew Terry
Pathetic.
- Mark
Allen, I think the answer to your question about iPad robbing Touch sales will be a resounding no as soon as we hear the price point.
- Mark Krynsky
battery life 10 hours? realistic? o_O
- Ronald
340x960 resolution for the tablet then ?
- Mark
How many iPhone apps can be on the screen and running at the same time?
- David Damore
CNBC speculating on the price at $1,000.
- Thomas Hawk
i think most of the existing iPhone apps have to be rewrite for iPad to get the full screen advantage
- Junal Rahman
Multitouch (multiplayer multitouch)
- Robert Scoble
good point mark
- Allen Stern
My guess: $799
- Mike Doeff
Honestly? So far, I'm pretty disappointed.
- Joshua
conflicted. with a 10 hr battery i can see this replacing a kindle. but I'm pretty happy reading on my nexus. Do I want to go back to carrying a 10" screen?
- Ben Reierson
Robert, isn't that called Twister?
- Akiva
"How many iPhone apps can be on the screen and running at the same time?" One. No apps running in the background.
- James
fox business guy bashing the ipad for no keyboard and light gig memory
- Allen Stern
i'd bet the people who can shell out for a kindle will run for an ipad
- Allen Stern
@LANjackal it will be all packed in a fat executable, both low and hi res
- ↂGiorgiँ Zarrelliↂ
Can the iPad dial your iPhone from it's adress book?
- Jon Winters
I honestly was hoping for a tweaked Touch Ready OS X. Not what feels like a port of the iPhone.
- Joshua
Eh...so far I'm not impressed and don't see anything revolutionary. Sure this device is pretty but I'm already thinking if it's priced any higher than $500 I'm declaring it only a device for early adopters and Fanboys.
- Mark Krynsky
It would be cool if you could run apps side by side. Twitter app and a news app etc. Take advantage of the big screen and not need to resize native iPhone apps.
- David Damore
Have they mentioned it's internet connection? Wi-Fi or something else?
- Jon Winters
apple stock up 2,170% since 2003 - holy crap.
- Allen Stern
Leo's feed is finally showing video from event.
- Robert Scoble
david - scoble will have 3 ipads taped together for mobile usage to mirror his home setup :-P
- Allen Stern
This thing is going after the Xbox.
- Robert Scoble
It's about what I expected. Price is really the key here...and if you need a Mobile Contract.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
This points up the convenience of a smart phone, at 1/4 the price.
- Bill Koslosky, MD
Live video from inside; EA demo at http://www.ustream.tv/leolapo...
- Ian McGee
Apple stock is dropping FAST! Not good. I want one...no matter what anyone else says. I think it would be cool.
- Sheryl
iPad Fans join us on Facebook http://www.facebook.com/pages...
- Hans Kainz
im guessing sxsw will be renamed - iPadsw
- Allen Stern
Robert - no, it's going after DS Lite and PSP
- Andrew Terry
Apple is 30 minutes into their iPad presentation. The stock is down 2.5%, so Apple has lost $4 BILLION in market cap over the last 30 min. From @hotzington
- Mark
Maybe we should buy the stock, wait for it to go back up, sell, then buy an iPad?
- Robert Scoble
Wait LOOK!!! There's more than just Apple!! http://friendfeed.com/got-mem...
- sofarsoShawn
no way xbox - maybe a nintendo ds - the thing is - if this thing does iphone voice - then maybe people buy this instead of an iphone?
- Allen Stern
Here we go; wave goodbye to the Kindle...
- Andrew Terry
There is actually an iPad listed on Apple's website, but it is just a little different - check it out here http://bit.ly/d6f66J
- Arun
iPad is going to be a big deal -- much more than the specs alone reveal.
- Kurt Starnes
somewhere Jeff Bezos sits, perspiring.
- Parth Awasthi
Not impressed at all. A big "meh"
- Spencer
So reading is NOT the killer feature
- Mark
I was happy reading on my Touch a year ago. The Kindle app is really sweet.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
to me the kindle is a "rich" device meaning the avg american isn't buying it - same with the ipad so it works perfectly - those with kindle money will run to the ipad
- Allen Stern
wow so apple is now going to fight amazon - i hope amazon kicks apples ass :)
- Allen Stern
Yea right Mark...cold day in hell when Apple would do that.
- Mark Krynsky
@Allen Stern +3 Re: "scoble will have 3 ipads taped together"
- David Damore
the price for the new 10" ipod touch ?
- tony bland
iPad is a new platform -- I bet it's where Apple wants to take personal computing
- Kurt Starnes
you're going to give a presentation with your audience huddled around a 9" handheld device..? Really?
- Andrew Terry
will ipad apps work on the ipod touch/ iphone ?
- tony bland
Andrew: and that is going after the Xbox too. Just watch how Microsoft reacts to this. Microsoft wanted to do an Xbox portable.
- Robert Scoble
My sons already have been using Xbox less since iPhones came out. iPads will steal even more time from Xbox.
- Robert Scoble
There are no buttons on it! you can't do serious gaming without buttons.
- Mark
Andrew - do you give presentations around a laptop screen?
- Kurt Starnes
wait, you can rotate and resize photos with touch?! Amazing!
- Ben Reierson
LAN - I mean the way people use computers. The mouse/hard-keyboard UI is old fashioned, IMO
- Kurt Starnes
+++Krynsky "No Flash = TOTAL FAIL! It will be a long time for HTML 5 to take over. " -- The size of the tablet makes it a natural for web browsing - except for lack of flash support. It was disappointing in the iPhone but quite ridiculous in the iPad. I don't "love" flash but it's a fact of life on the web.
- Richard Walker
all my 12 yr old son plays these days is Modern Warfare 2
- Tim Jones
I'm with you on your commentary Allen...btw you going to SXSW? Good time having lunch with you last year.
- Mark Krynsky
Kurt - no; not around a laptop, but I do swing it around so the screen is facing my audience..
- Andrew Terry
A computer with a 1GHZ cpu. It's a bit 2001.
- Mark
LAN - And, I am hopeful that iPad is not locked down the way iPhone is!
- Kurt Starnes
iWork on the iPad....YAWN...what else?
- Mark Krynsky
Mark - I think we'll have to use one to make a reasonable judgment on the chip
- Kurt Starnes
Just saw the pics of the iPad over on Engadget. Sweet Jebus, that thing is ugly. It's got like 2 inches of border around the thing. From the pics, I'm betting it's locked down too, with apps from a new App Store. Epic Fail.
- Otto
Jobs hates flash, there was no way he would put it on this device
- Kim Landwehr
where is the camera?
- Markus Kobler
Thinking... The iPad attaches to your MacBook as a second display with seamless integration Photographers can edit photos directly with their fingers.
- Jon Winters
Jon - that would be a) very cool and b) make total sense
- Andrew Terry
Biggest deal so far - unless it is still to come - no camera so no ichat
- Keith Teare
Otto: same app store.
- Robert Scoble
I have very little problem with the iPhone being locked down, so I doubt it will be an issue for me with the iPad.
- Jeff P. Henderson
@Jon Winters wifi 802.11n; still no price tho
- brainno722 (Peter)
Hah. $9.99 for iWork.
- Robert Scoble
No clear what screen res is. implied 2 x iphone 3gs, so 960x640???
- Keith Teare
Each app.
- Robert Scoble
sub-HD in other words, and not widescreen,
- Mark
Ah - Kurt - he just said you can connect to a projector via a cable... problem solved
- Andrew Terry
Will be 3G models
- Kurt Starnes
subscription data. UGH!
- TranceMist
Unlimited Data plan for $29
- Kurt Starnes
Another monthly fee for you apple guys to get net
- Mark
no contract unlimited data!
- Vezquex
And can cancel anytime.
- Robert Scoble
All iPads unlocked GSM
- Kurt Starnes
This makes me want a MiFi.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
lan olm flood yapmayın flood banlarım sizi, bak hala la yörü
- Emre Savaş
250MB a month is lolable.
- Mark
Whats 250MB divided by 30 days ?
- Mark
I still do not understand why they can't make these things (both iPhone and this new thing) "sync" via WiFi. Why must I connect the thing to my computer? They're on the same network FFS! Making me use a USB cable is just frickin' stupid.
- Otto
Great deal on dataplan - I'll carry one around, may replace my laptop eventually
- Kurt Starnes
Data plans seem somewhat reasonable when you consider WiFi in most cases. Still in bed with AT&T though.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
less than 999
- Vezquex
??!
- Vezquex
fuck year 500
- Vezquex
Well 499 is a different story.
- Todd Hoff
$499!!!!!!
- Kurt Starnes
Sold!
- Kurt Starnes
$499!!! Suddenly it's a winner!
- Andrew Terry
$15 for 250MB is still overpriced. I get 1 GB for 10 EUR (pre-paid plan).
- Nils Sandin
$829 for 3G 64GB
- Kurt Starnes
2-3 months
- Vezquex
so at&t takes a hit on the monthly but gobbles up $130 extra per pad
- Allen Stern
too many models
- Bill Koslosky, MD
499 for 16 GB version...
- Wang Yip
$829 for the good one; NO CAMERA = underwhelming
- ryangraves
keyboard charging dock. clever girl
- Vezquex
@LANjackal: The problem there is that that system backfires. I specifically do not buy media on the iTunes store because of the "must sync to the computer" problem. I don't connect my gear to my computer, ever. I haven't hooked my phone up since the first day I got the thing (and jailbroke it). I very likely never will hook it up again, because there's no point. Also, if they need verification, then a simple 2-key cryptographic system could be made to work easily enough.
- Otto
Are there iPhone apps for DSLR tethering?
- Jon Winters
Biggie Sized iPhone without the Phone ??????
- Owen Greaves
Optional solar-powered case? Wait for it... ;-)
- Ian McGee
Owen, with 3G model I am guessing one could connect with a Bluetooth earpiece
- Kurt Starnes
what happened to the remarkable UI?
- Bill Koslosky, MD
whats the big deal about sync to the computer, its not that hard, people make it sound like its worst then pulling teeth.
- Kim Landwehr
Owen, who said no phone? It has a microphone and 3G.
- Vezquex
No camera is a blunder, IMO. Has no camera been confirmed?
- Kurt Starnes
Lanjackal: Zing!
- Joshua
The Cure?
- Jon Winters
No cloud and no wifi syncing sucks too. I hate plugging things in when there's perfectly good air all around me.
- Todd Hoff
Still 1 app at a time?
- ryangraves
+1 Otto - I use my iPhone daily and I haven't synced it in months. It's jailbroken. I also can't stand the regular iTunes updates I keep getting - they update the program more often than I start it.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
I'm pretty sure people are looking for a webcam LAN, not a DSLR
- Daniel J. Pritchett
No multi-tasking? Are they serious? Holy hell, that's inane.
- Otto
my $300 netbook w/ Kindle for PC works for me
- Tim Jones
LAN -- for tele-Skype, yes.
- Kurt Starnes
Please, just improve the iPhone and iTouch. The first time you drop the iPad will be the last. The mobile sites for the NYTimes are good enough for me. I don't need the Flash ads. If you're in public, you can't set it down, you can't put it in your pocket.
- Bill Koslosky, MD
Yep, iPad = Giant iPhone (exactly as I wanted / predicted) - didn't get camera tho = iFail
- Susan Beebe
Bill -- I don't have a very good record with any dropped computer, except iPhone and other cell phones, surviving drops.
- Kurt Starnes
aww, TWiT lost the feed.
- Vezquex
iPad = iMeh
- Bill Koslosky, MD
was that Leo Laporte filming?
- Vezquex
All things considered, I'm pretty underwhelmed... it's a big iPod, but not as portable.
- Andrew Terry
How long until I can run Android on it? :-P
- TranceMist
Can't wait to get a hold of one. Take care folks.
- Kurt Starnes
Should have shocked everyone with a name nobody expected: The iNewton
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Everyone laughed at the Palm Folio.
- Jon Winters
AT&T sucks ass.
- Thomas Hawk
from iPhone
AT&T suckage depends on where you are. Here in Memphis, for example. AT&T is quite good. I get ridiculous speeds off the 3G and never have a dropped call. When I travel to Atlanta, the experience there is quite different.
- Otto
iPad is not the netbook killer
- Tim Jones
Kurt: I can only see this as a household device. If you prop this thing up with its case at a Starbucks table, looks like trouble. No video-conferencing, but prob in the next version.
- Bill Koslosky, MD
I bet iPad is the netbook killer, Tim Jones.
- Vezquex
"I don't see this leaving the house too often," says Leo. But he thinks it's the "ultimate airplane device."
- Bill Koslosky, MD
Scoble's Nexus One ustream streaming quality is better than his iPad streaming quality right now
- Tim Jones
Expect an iPad killer from Google within 6 months.
- Jim Posner
Household users, Airplane users, student users, personal entertainment users, ebook reades, basic laptop users....that's a pretty huge market.
- Leif Hansen
New Apple Home Page http://www.apple.com/
- Rosalinda Mojarro
+1 Otto on the Memphis 3G. I get silky smooth service and I always have to remind myself about the problems in larger markets.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
What does this do for the Kindle, Nook and all the other e-ink readers? I'd say they're in trouble. Except for reading a textbook, I think a device just 2x larger than the iTouch would be more convenient.
- Bill Koslosky, MD
@Bill I'd agree mostly on the ebook readers. But there is something *really* nice on the eyes with e-ink that I'm hesitant to give up (and go back to zombie brain lit screens).
- Leif Hansen
Leo Laporte just said that it's an incredible device when you actually get your hands on it... beautiful, light, incrediblly responsive screen... I'll wait until I get to play with one before judging on what it lacks, and whether or not that's detrimental
- .LAG liked that
Apple stock went from being down to now being up $3.12. As soon as the price came out the stock turned and went up.
- Thomas Hawk
iPad does not support T-Mobile's 1700 GHz 3G frequencies
- TranceMist
Thomas ...isn't a lot of the stock movement in the last couple of hours really just speculators betting on what was going to officially get announced today?
- .LAG liked that
Is there a GPS?
- Todd Hoff
I didn't hear when Apple would allow people to order the iPad. Did anyone else?
- Jeff P. Henderson
the specs dont list GPS capabilities. Am I wrong ?
- Kashif Khan
@.LAG liked that, I think the stock move has to do with the price. The market liked the $499 price more than the speculated higher $1,000 price. It was down until the price was announced then it turned up.
- Thomas Hawk
Thomas... makes sense. $499 is a price that will probably move lots of units
- .LAG liked that
Giant iPod. Hopefully an OS refresh will unlock some goodness. Otherwise? This is a shiny paperweight.
- ‘-.-’ Tutivillus Grift
They've not updated the UK store yet with info about the ipad. A little let down about the lack of bluetooth connection to a dekstop/laptop mac for use as an input device. Also, not bothered about the 3G version as I'd rather buy a mifi and use that saving myself cash and letting more devices access the net on the go ;)
- alphaxion
Oh. And KILLER wood paneling!
- ‘-.-’ Tutivillus Grift
Next? Steve Jobs brings back the <BLINK> tag.
- ‘-.-’ Tutivillus Grift
It would be cool if I could get a mifi-type device with a $15/30 per month no-contract billing option. That would make all of these devices tempting.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
here in the UK 3 offer a mifi with a 1 month rolling contract, 5Gb per month limit with £40 up front for the mifi or a pay as you go mifi for £70 up front
- alphaxion
That sounds sweet alpha, I think here it's like $60/mo. with a long-term contract. Let me double-check that. Edit: Looks like the minimum mifi contract is $40/mo. for 250MB and it doesn't say how long the contract lasts. http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c...
- Daniel J. Pritchett
http://www.three.co.uk/Mobile_... once I get myself a job I'll be buying one.
- alphaxion
orange
- Mike Chelen
This was always Steve's/Apple's vision, 20 years on will work??? of course it will Apple have got the consumer mesmerized.
- VirtualPeople
Our post-keynote discussion with Google's Don Dodge and str.ate.gy's Elizabeth Brooks is here: http://www.ustream.tv/recorde...
- Robert Scoble
BWAHAHAHAH! The iPad, with built in virus protection! LOL... http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- Otto
Good points over on Gizmodo as to why it is not a complete win.
- Martha
sen de mi be hacı
- dolly
hahaha yasu budur ahahahahaha:D
- dolly
valla bu apple manyakları dünyayı sarmış bizimkilere de elma lazım haklısın tabiyki dee
- dolly
How to use iPad-->http://ff.im/eX6qo
- Yunus YAMANER (CITRIL)
is there no way of buying the low end model and adding in an sdxc card to bump it up to 64GB? Having no camera is ridiculous and as usual you are locked into the apple ecosystem. Once again you either love the way they do things or you don't. It will be a popular device, but I'm always amazed at how many people are quite happy with Apple's walled garden. This is what killed them in the...
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- Phil Ashman
There is an SD card reader peripheral included.
- Vezquex
:)
- ★ Soner Gönül
hmm... it also doesn't look like it supports multiple user profiles and it's *still* tethered to a single machine with itunes.
- alphaxion
Orange. The tablet still doesn't work well as the video livestream interface between my DVCam and whatever RMTP server I need to transmit to. Seriously whatever, as far as I'm concerned.
- Rich Reader
I *gulp* miss Scoble.
- Kevin Fox
Hah, Twitter is already misbehaving. http://friendfeed.com/scoblei... might be needed before too long. Sigh (my feed is way behind here).
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You too? I've been looking for someone else to say the same thing all morning.
- Ciaoenrico
yup it has been all morning , ive been using friendfeed all day to get my feeds
- Kashif Khan
Yeah, I haven't seen one of your tweets at Twitter for close to an hour
- Justin
Yeah I unfollowed and refollowed Scoble and his tweets appeared instantly again. Weird.
- Mark
Fail Whale off the starboard bow!!!!!
- Jose Castillo
I think Twitter.com is going to completley collapse.
- Mark
The guy from Mexico who pirated the last event is there again today. So we'll at least get some live audio, probably video too. Twit will have it
- Stephen Pickering
Does anyone have an Apple room here on FriendFeed?
- Robert Scoble
Benjamin: I was hoping you'd tell me which one is best for today?
- Robert Scoble
I don't know which is best. But there are *many*. You could also make one just for this event like VentureBeat used to do back in the day. They would embed it on http://venturebeat.com/ and get an instant live updating blog.
- Benjamin Golub
In the event of a Twitter emergency let's all meet over at http://friendfeed.com/scoblei...
Nils Sandin, kami کامی, 3Cinteractive®, L.L.C. and 3 other people liked this
The new news system isn't working. Two people I work with regularly didn't know I had a position at NYU. A few years ago they would have.
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With all due respect Dave, is that even news?
- Mark
FWIW I didn't know too.
- Paolo Valdemarin
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