"Remember: I blame FriendFeed for this, and Robert Scoble, Steve Rubell, Dave Winer, and all the rest of the puppets and ex-Techcrunch analysts who, by appearing to rationally debate the pluses and minuses of FriendFeed versus Twitter, suggest FriendFeed even exists in the absence of Twitter. Nik Cubrilovic doesn’t help either with his cogent (except for the Rails part) analysis of Twitter’s scaling problems. Nowhere in this debate (most of it mercifully hidden forever behind the FriendFeed black hole where conversations go to die) was there a word spoken about the fatal Track bug until Jack hit the Off switch. Now, in the cool clarity of no pulse whatsoever can we begin to rationally approach a solution. Forgetting that Hillary has shown no indication of processing the similar lack of pulse in her White House aspirations, let’s put the blame for all this squarely on the parasite API suckers and their dark master FriendFeed. Good."
- Paul Buchheit
I accuse my parents (a little MST3K humor)
- Mark Dykeman
My guess is that a good deal of folks who are otherwise technology experts haven't yet mastered the "Hide" option, and seeing Twitter in FriendFeed makes them feel it's simply an echo chamber for Twitter. Hiding Twitter, and/or utilizing the many other sources that are not Twitter here in FriendFeed makes it more valuable.
- Louis Gray
Someone pass around what Steve Gillmor is smoking. That is some heavy stuff he's got in his stash. I think I counted 10 words he seriously made up for that post. And why is friendfeed to blame for the XMPP/Jabber shutdown?
- Mark Trapp
WTF? This guy reminds me of Gary Busey, but angrier, if that's even possible.
- April Buchheit
This article simply doesn't make any sense. Please reword for clarity.
- Eric Florenzano
I was afraid when I saw "?" there. And now...no comment... :S
- Erhan Erdoğan
Is he kidding? I hope he's kidding. FriendFeed exists with or without twitter. In fact, I would love to see twitter removed from FriendFeed altogether. Guaranteed there would still be plenty of conversations revolving around the links shared, the pictures posted, etc.
- EricaJoy
I don't follow Twitter at all on FriendFeed. I find it somewhat ironic that one of Steve G's big passions was (is?) "Attention Metadata" and FriendFeed via likes, comments, etc is actually a service that makes great use of attention metadata!
- Robert Seidman
I enjoy that this Friendfeed post has more comments than his post on TechCrunch.
- Mark Trapp
This is the most buzzword-laden web 2.0 rant I have ever read. It's like he is making words up to describe stuff every other paragraph or so. And.. what's this jab at Clinton in the middle? How random.
- Phil Glockner
FriendFeed direct posts are really similar to Twitter in my mind.
- Hutch Carpenter
@Paul can you share the percentage of FF users that hide twitter posts?
- EricaJoy
Gillmor refuses to realize that the comment feature of FriendFeed does indeed add value that Twitter lacks. That's probably the key reason why I MOVED MY conversations to FriendFeed! Also, the sharing feature is the reason why I like FriendFeed! IF I merely wanted the 'stream of consciousness' of Twitter, I would just use Twitter! I think that FriendFeed 'exposes' the 'chinks in Twitter's armor'
- Thomas Ho
from fftogo
I think that Mark Trapp's observation is 'priceless'
- Thomas Ho
from fftogo
It sounds like Gillmor hasn't given FriendFeed nearly enough time if he thinks it's only "Twitter, but slower". I have a great time on here with Twitter hidden half of the time. If anything, let's blame Twitter for so much noise and/or so much conversation due to their issues
- Andrew Dobrow
FriendFeed can definitely make it without Twitter...so many conversations occur without Twitter being involved at all.
- Chris Rossini
That... made no sense to me. Still dazed from the insanity of it all. I see more conversations here on links and such than on tweets. And really, why is FriendFeed to blame for the Jabber shutdown? Seriously!
- dgw
This whole article was most undirectional article, I have read in recent times. I read it twice, and can't make out, what he want to say.
- Varun Mahajan
Adam, same here. I personally find the vast majority of twitter messages to be extremely boring and of no use to me.
- Aviv
Where are these "siloed conversation spamyards" to which he refers? You could say that about any chat system (if I understand his rather obtuse meaning) and FF discussions are quite cogent and open. (And seem especially so if you've ever spent any time in the Digg comments.)
- Nicķ
I usually keep the Twitter FF feed open. FF is definitely NOT the only app pulling on Twitter's API. Hundreds of sites, clients, etc?. Twitter had (maybe has) time to distinguish itself. Just 'come clean' with regular community updates. (PR time?) So far it's been lame. In the meantime, there's no doubt Friendfeed will continue to increase it's pull. Twitter put the API out there. THEY need to deal with the results, whether they were ready or not
- Charlie Anzman
FriendFeed is what you put in to it. If you add all your Twitter friends and nobody else, FriendFeed will appear to be Twitter with siloed conversations, but in that case that's exactly what you asked for. If you don't add a thousand people as friends and convince a thousand people to follow you then you won't see any of this 'spam graveyard' Steve talks about. You get what you ask for, and irrelevance is what you get if you add irrelevant friends.
- Kevin Fox
It's also worth noting how much FriendFeed thrived when Twitter had its difficulties this week. That would seem to put a hole in the argument that FriendFeed is primarily a downstream service to Twitter.
- Kevin Fox
OK friendfeed is NOT twitter. Its something else, and I like both. (sticks out tongue)...via feedalizr
- Photo Larry
He shouldn't drink before writing for TechCrunch
- Alejandro
man, I honestly care jack shit about what people post on Twitter, but I find FF incredibly useful. Gillmor is seriously off his rocker with this post (which is the least legible I've seen on TC in a long time).
- Chieze Okoye
"If you had asked, I wouldn't have ReTweeted this or shared this on Google +. But I did, so you must be doing something right. Or maybe I was just impressed by your Karaoke rap in Chicago during last year's SOB Con. Or your vast knowledge of comic books. I don't know. Fair point, though and, as always, Suzemuse is right."
- Mark Dykeman
"One book I really enjoy that gets little coverage is called "Advantage Play" by David Ben. He's a professional magician who writes about creative problem solving from the perspective of developing magic tricks. But but but... he also ties the concepts to business processes, emphasizing idea development, preparation and the need to sell your ideas or solutions. It's a little hard to find and doesn't look that interesting at first, but I've found a lot of gems in it."
- Mark Dykeman
"One book I really enjoy that gets little coverage is called "Advantage Play" by David Ben. He's a professional magician who writes about creative problem solving from the perspective of developing magic tricks. But but but... he also ties the concepts to business processes, emphasizing idea development, preparation and the need to sell your ideas or solutions. It's a little hard to find and doesn't look that interesting at first, but I've found a lot of gems in it."
- Mark Dykeman
"Pundits are entertainers; thought leaders are people whose insights and ideas can help you grow. However, it seems to me that people sometimes get anointed as thought leaders for subjective reasons, including the advantages that accrue to the anointer (effectively making them a thought leader as well). Demonstrated subject matter expertise and accomplishments should be a given. Futurist path: this path is pretty risky, IMHO. I don't think you can get there without demonstrated subject matter expertise - at least in data analysis, research, etc. I think it's more properly a subset of expertise, but maybe I should read the Sterling article. Despite all that, I would never feel comfortable completely following the pronouncements of a thought leader, especially someone who has no vested interest in my success."
- Mark Dykeman
Long, long post from Merlin Mann but, in the end, it's powerful. Hard to say what's going to happen to his book contract but I hope it's going to work out for him. I want to read the book.
- Mark Dykeman
This point is so true that it hurts. I stand guilty as charged. I think it's a symptom of "pro" blogging and we're losing a lot for the lack of it.
- Mark Dykeman
"I enjoy Jonah Lehrer's articles and I'm planning to read his books. However, you bring up a very good point about sample sizes, research, etc. I also find that Lehrer kind of throws these things out there which are interesting but they may be designed to be more thought-provoking than useful. His article has to be taken in the context that it's written and offered. This is very similar to the recent HBS working paper about the relationship between creativity and dishonesty. Yes, the research findings can lead you to draw a certain conclusion.... within the confines of the conditions of the experiments. However, it doesn't readily explain why things happened the way they did during the experiment. Nice find, Mike!"
- Mark Dykeman
"I enjoy Jonah Lehrer's articles and I'm planning to read his books. However, you bring up a very good point about sample sizes, research, etc. I also find that Lehrer kind of throws these things out there which are interesting but they may be designed to be more thought-provoking than useful. His article has to be taken in the context that it's written and offered. This is very similar to the recent HBS working paper about the relationship between creativity and dishonesty. Yes, the research findings can lead you to draw a certain conclusion.... within the confines of the conditions of the experiments. However, it doesn't readily explain why things happened the way they did during the experiment. Nice find, Mike!"
- Mark Dykeman
"The technology that many write about is not that new or innovative anymore. The value is in what you can do with the technology. This is not a comment about you or your writing, Geoff, it's about a lot of the "echo chambery" stuff that people write about, i.e. 10 K ways to get 10 K Twitter followers."
- Mark Dykeman
"The technology that many write about is not that new or innovative anymore. The value is in what you can do with the technology. This is not a comment about you or your writing, Geoff, it's about a lot of the "echo chambery" stuff that people write about, i.e. 10 K ways to get 10 K Twitter followers."
- Mark Dykeman
"Writing about the power and innovativeness of social media is getting to be like writing about the power and innovation inherent in your rotary dial telephone."
- Mark Dykeman
"Writing about the power and innovativeness of social media is getting to be like writing about the power and innovation inherent in your rotary dial telephone."
- Mark Dykeman