He was also liberal, and progressive. Although, not in exactly the same way those terms are used today. But he did fight the established order of his time. - Nathaniel Payne
Except that he wasn't a 'community organizer'. You can, however, say that Paul of Tarsus was one. - Akiva Moskovitz
Jesus brought together a group of people who joined him on a crusade to change the world. If that isn't a community organizer, I don't know what is. Maybe he was mayor. They have more responsibility, you know. - Nathaniel Payne
He sought an earmark for a bridge over the Sea of Galilee, but canceled it when he realized he could just walk right across. - Nathaniel Payne
Christianity didn't start until after Jesus died; he had nothing to do with it. It was Peter and Paul that actually turned it into a religion. Jesus was just a radical Essene Rabbi. - Akiva Moskovitz
Reminds of the movie Hamlet 2 I just saw (my gf says it's funnier if you were in high school drama) - Chris
Akiva's closer to pegging it than the original quote. Jesus didn't handle much of the organization tasks, even for his own circle of disciples. - Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins
Mark: So he was good at delegation? Akiva: Who mentioned Christianity? I'm talking about the man and his life, not the later global repercussions. - Kevin Fox
Akiva: that's about as accurate as saying "Judaism didn't start until after Moses died; he had nothing to do with it. It was Joshua and Samuel that actually turned it into a religion. Moses was just a used car salesman without a lot." - Mark Trapp
Oh, well, in that case, that quote is even more wrong. - Akiva Moskovitz
Yeah, this creepy faith-based stuff has been around a long time. ;) - Jay Tannenbaum
From http://www.nycahn.org/communit...: "Community organizing is a long-term approach where the people affected by an issue are supported in identifying problems and taking action to achieve solutions. The organizer challenges those he or she works with to change the way things are—it is a means of achieving social change through collective action by changing the balance of power." Yup, that sounds exactly like Jesus. Just read John 2:13-16. - Rob Reed
Mark Trapp, except that's a hell of a lot more words than I used with a hell of a lot more subtext. It's also wildly inaccurate as Moses did found a religion (although not really by choice) and, as far as I remember, Jesus didn't have any interest in creating a new religion. If I recall correctly, Paul of Tarsus didn't get the ball rolling until some 50 years later. - Akiva Moskovitz
Akiva: You're proving my point. Jesus was trying to foster social change through the grassroots, but wasn't trying to create a religion. The *last* thing I'm trying to say is that community organizers (Obama or others) are trying to proselytize into an organized religion or overthrow the status quo. Rather they're trying to help people at the community level, and that acting to better your community shouldn't be disdained or belittled. Politics is already seen as the vacuum of altruism. - Kevin Fox
I just ate a mango. Where's Sean for our lecture on Judaism? - Jay Tannenbaum
Ghandi was probably a good community organizer, too - Mark Dykeman
Akiva, you're belaboring a woefully ignorant understanding of early Christianity that isn't supported by any documentation we have of that time. St. Paul was converted, as most historians agree, circa AD 36, 3 years after the crucifixion of Jesus. Paul, prior to his conversion, was persecuting those spreading the Gospel (indicating that there were religious missions pre-dating Paul). He immediately worked with James and Peter (Apostles of Christ who knew Him personally) before starting his own mission shortly thereafter. Most of our primary sources from Paul are dated 48-55 AD, 15 years after the crucifixion. - Mark Trapp
Akiva, In fact, the Gospel according to Mark is dated as early as 70 AD, only 40 years after the death of Jesus. In all four gospels, Jesus rejects the covenant God has with Abraham, Isaac, and Israel and supplants it with a new everlasting covenant. Josephus, the only independent historian contemporary of Jesus, confirms that Jesus wasn't a Rabbi, but preaching a new religion. Jesus was, by all accounts, preaching a new covenant, not a modification of the old. You know not what you speak. - Mark Trapp
Mark, I appreciate the information; it's been a long time since I've read up on Early Christianity. However, your final statement was an unnecessary punctuation on an otherwise well-appreciated mini-education on something I have never, ever claimed expertise in. I do appreciate you correcting where I was wrong but there was no need for that closing remark. - Akiva Moskovitz
And Jesus answered and said to him, “Simon, I have something to say to you.” And he said, “Rabbi, what is it?” (Luke 7:40)
A lawyer asked him a question to test him: “Rabbi, what is the greatest commandment in the Torah?” (Matthew 22:35-36)
And behold, a [rich] man came up to him and said, “Rabbi, what good thing must I do to have eternal life?” (Matthew 19:16)
And someone in the crowd said to him, “Rabbi, order my brother to divide the inheritance with me.” (Luke 12:13)
And some of the Pharisees in the crowd said to him, “Rabbi, rebuke your disciples.” (Luke 19:39)
Some of the Sadducees came up to him…and they asked him, saying, “Rabbi….” (Luke 20:27-28) - Jay Tannenbaum
Akiva, you made a completely inaccurate claim about Christianity with a level of conviction conveying a statement of fact, then pressed the issue when I pointed out that it was inaccurate. As I know you can appreciate, as I've seen you mention it before on FriendFeed, misrepresentations of one's religious beliefs only serves to frustrate those who believe and alienate those who don't. - Mark Trapp
Akiva, going back to my original comment: obviously it's offensive to you to have someone just come in and say Moses didn't really have anything to do with Judaism and was of a completely different profession. It's just as offensive to hear from someone, as you're now saying, who isn't well versed in the literature make a statement of fact that is completely contradictory to everything a Christian knows and believes. - Mark Trapp
I think a rabbi in those days (and these days) was a learned man, a teacher -- as the text itself reflects. He was certainly both. - Jay Tannenbaum
Jay: in most other English translations, it's translated as "teacher," not Rabbi, as it would be an equivocation to assume Jesus was of the Rabbinical tradition. Just because Rabbi literally means teacher doesn't infer that teacher means Rabbi. I don't really get it. Do you see any of the Christians here waxing intellectual about Judaism? How do you not see this as offensive? - Mark Trapp
Didn't Jesus' "community" willingly give him up to the Romans? - Sprague D
Oh, and honestly: what does whether or not Jesus started the religion have to do with Kevin's point? I don't get how that was considered a method of refutation to what Kevin is suggesting. - Mark Trapp
Mark: As you can see from my comment. I think we agree. No waxing. Jesus is all yours. Sorry. - Jay Tannenbaum
Mark, calm down. I was simply wrong about something and was gracious when corrected. If you're offended, that's your problem. I write and speak with conviction. That's just how I am. If there was any conviction in my tone here, it's because I thought I was right about something. I wasn't. I'm fine with that. No need to continue to be an ass about it especially when I've already expressed appreciation for having been corrected. - Akiva Moskovitz
@Mark: It's all a moot point, anyway, as Jesus wasn't running for President. He might make a good president, but I don't think even the most fervent Obama supporters claim he has the power to work miracles (which might give Jesus the edge over your typical community organizer). - Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins
Okay, 'ass' is too strong of a word. You're not being an ass. Overly defensive and offended, perhaps. But you're not being an ass. I apologize for that. - Akiva Moskovitz
Mark, I think a lot of people would've been asking if America was ready for a Muslim president, by virtue of him coming from Galilee. Even if it pre-dated Islam by 600 years. Akiva, I think you hit two hot points for me, and I went off, for which I apologize. The first of course is the misrepresentation of Christianity, but the second is the tendency in social media for people to say things strongly and forcefully first, then do a "mea culpa, I didn't really know" when corrected. That's just the way a lot of people are: usually I take it in stride, but the two combined really hit a nerve. It's not really personal, I like you, so again I apologize for going at you like such. - Mark Trapp
If Jesus was a community organizer, he didn't do a very good job of it. His community didn't seem to take kindly to what he was trying to do (which is mostly teaching). - Glen Campbell
Seriously, Ghandi... community organizer... good example, right? - Mark Dykeman
"I think social networking and the like can make it easier to contact people (and hopefully get a response) than in previous decades. Will that actually make people any closer? Dunno yet." - Mark Dykeman
Techcrunch picked up on the recent O2 survey about degrees of separation, so I thought I'd just remind folks that I wrote a four part series on the topic a few weeks ago. - Mark Dykeman
morning Robert. She didn't alienate me, in fact she made the Republican party far more attractive than it was before. Style over substance perhaps, but that's what convention speeches normally are. And while my vote's not locked up, .... well ... - Justin Long
I don't think she lost votes, or gained them. Once the hubbub has died down, I don't think she makes much of an impact. Romney's ridiculous assertion that Liberal Elites have been in charge the last 8 years aside, this is a contest between Barack Obama and John McCain. The Republicans turned inward last night, and flipped off anyone who isn't proud of being ignorant and stupid. Bad move. - John Craft
Justin: that always happens after conventions. Each party sees a bump. The interesting thing is how much of a bump? The real polls that matter, though, are the ones after the debates. That's when it matters how strong each candidate is. I still remember Dan Balz (he's a political journalist for Washington Post) telling me "these things never go how you expect them to go." More fun ahead, I'm sure. - Robert Scoble
Justin: But, I suspect you aren't the only one. After the press bashing of the past three days all she needed to do was show up and look normal to gain a lot. She did more than that. Keep in mind I agree with her probably 5% of the time. - Robert Scoble
A week is a long time in politics - a lot can happen between now and the election. - Sally Church
I think the media has really gone against Palin in some ways (as they should, finding everything that can be found about someone who was basically an unknown), but what she'll do for the ticket is long term and we're going to see her giving McCain a big bump, though it may be spread out. The speech last night was a great example. For an unexciting McCain, she's bringing vitality and excitement back to the ticket. She's his answer to many of the questions Obama raised in his acceptance speech. For those who don't know what to think about Biden as VP, and for the huge number of Dems still upset over Hil's defeat, she's an attractive addition to the ticket. Pun intended. - Aram Zucker-Scharff via twhirl
Robert: it's interesting that all of the sudden some people are making the Presidential race about Palin - a new X factor - Mark Dykeman
Mark: the debates will reign that back to being about McCain vs. Obama. But Palin is new and fresh on the scene (and a total unknown) so people are putting all sorts of aspirations and fears onto her. Also, McCain is old and that is playing in our minds too. One thing I keep coming back to is Obama hired someone with more experience and McCain hired someone with a lot less. I know that bosses who've done that (hired less) in the past have turned out to be pretty poor leaders. - Robert Scoble
Palin did a really good job. She showed passion and fire - much more than just a robotic delivery. I suspect she will eat Biden for lunch in the debates as well. We can look forward to many more wild attacks to be thrown at her in the next few days as well - which just keep making her support stronger. - Soulhuntre
What I got out of that speech, is 4 more years of Bush. She really has no foreign policy experience, and she is going to have a tough time dealing with the economy. Well, I guess that's what we had for the past 8 years. Quit whining about the media. They are looking into someone who was virtually unknown less than a week ago. - PC Easy
Robert: totally agreed with the experience and leadership thing. Talking to friends last night, I realised that you were right about the heartlands being more conservative and religious than the more liberal north east and California. Not being able to vote before, politics wasn't really an interest for me so never noticed the differences but I do now after hearing some pals from Tennessee and Carolina talk about completely different worldviews. They love Palin, she talks to their values and lives. - Sally Church
actually biden lost voter, palin gained one.. - paisley via twhirl
You'd think she was running for president considering how much hype this is getting. The lady rubs me the wrong way, I can't wait till she goes away - orionstarr
Eat Biden for lunch in the debates????? Come on now, you've got to be kidding me right? - James Andrews via Alert Thingy
No, I'm not. Look, Biden might be a OK guy but he comes off as sincere as a movie poster. We will jsut have to wait and see. - Soulhuntre via twhirl
Exactly how much LSD and Prozac did they dump into the water coolers at the RNC convention? Grown men and talking heads entertaining the notion that a feeble old man McCain, or miss-alaska runner up Palin, could take the reins of America, and negotiate with leaders like Hu or Putin. Soulhuntre seems to have come loose from his fantasy role-playing game. - Steve Follmer via twhirl
:: shrugs :: We'll see in time how it goes. - Soulhuntre via twhirl
orionstarr: +3. Palin will appeal to those who are pro-life, pro-gun, pro-win-the-war-at-all-costs. She appeals to the base McCain pissed off. I don't see her grabbing a lot of moderates, particularly as more comes out about her. I hear JCM's 'Crumbling Down' approaching ... - AJ Kohn
Robert: Regarding your comment that Obama "hired" somebody with more experience and McCain with less, was there any other choice?? There's never been somebody running for president with as meager a record as Barack Obama. Even his handlers are out there giving his managment experience as the fact that he's been running for president for two years! Nevermind that he's not the one actually calling the shots of his own campaign. That's exactly why he HAD to pick somebody like Biden. And where would McCain find somebody with more experience than he has? Palin is running for VICE president. Again, I find your attitude about him dropping dead any minute very offensive. How would you have liked it if FastCompany said, Oh, that Scoble is fat and very type-A. He'll probably drop dead from a heart attack any minute, so we'd better choose somebody a lot less qualified. Come on, people, get real. We're electing the President of the United States, not voting for American Idol. - Dawn
@Dawn: McCain would be our oldest President. US Male Life Expectancy is about 76. McCain is 72. Statistically he is more likely to die in office. I'm not saying he will, but the odds *are* higher. That's not an attitude. - AJ Kohn
I would like someone to explain to me exactly how McCain is supposedly so much more 'experienced' leading anyone or anything than Obama? Both are Senators, and McCain has also been a Representavie, but neither of those roles involve much 'leading' of anyone or anything. So having more experience in a non-leading role makes him more ready to lead? I don't follow that logic... - Steve
@Dawn: "was there any other choice?" um, yes. "meager record" - I'd argue Hoover. "Calling shots" - please cite. Instead let's talk about issues, which is what this campaign should be about, right? - AJ Kohn
AJ. Mr. McCain's mother is 90 and pretty freakin feisty. He has good genes. - Mattb4rd
AJ: Robert's odds are higher, too I had a friend with his build and lifestyle who died at age 47 from a massive heart attack. Does that mean Robert will? Statistically, I should be dead from breast cancer. But I'm still here You have to look at the individual. How many of us could have survived what McCain endured when he was shot down and had multiple broken bones and was beaten on top of them got infections and was left untreated? To make McCain an "average" male isn't valid. Not only that, but life expectancy includes child mortality rates. For men who have reached age 72, their life expectancy goes way up. - Dawn
Dawn: you're right. Obama doesn't have much experience. Which is why it's so amazing to me that McCain actually found someone with less experience than Obama. As to my being fit or not even though I have a big oversized ego I didn't realize that my job is so important that Fast Company would have to worry about such things. I'm easily replaced. Cemeteries are filled with people who thought they wouldn't be easily replaced. Now, the President? Who is next in line there matters a bit more. - Robert Scoble
She probably didn't lose many votes for Repubs. She's going after the undecideds and independents. In big enough numbers, those groups probably decide the election. - J.D. Deutschendorf
JD: in past Presidential Elections the independents and undecideds generally hang out until the debates to decide. In fact, I bet that this increased the number of undecideds who might have thought they were gonna go with Obama and now want to see more. - Robert Scoble
Obama hass been in office like 20-30 days longer than Palin or something close to that. I forgot the figure I heard, but its close. What did Obama learn in that small amount of time that makes him so much more qualified. He's not. And I would take someone who governed a large state over a Senator any day. And I'm sorry, as an Illinoisan - he hasn't impressed me at all with his political career prior to running for president. - Tony Kanzia
I know I'm waiting until the debates to decide. - Jordan Hofker
I think the hardcore reds love Palin and the hardcore blues hate her. It's folks like myself, who are middle of the road, who will have the biggest impact on this election. Hopefully, we're all smart enough to read between the lines and make the right choice for the future of this country. - Don Martelli
Tony: large state? Excuse me? Please do warn me before you say stuff like that. Alaska has fewer people than San Jose live in it!!! The Mayor of San Jose has more experience running something of size than the Gov of Alaska does. - Robert Scoble
Robert: I didn't realize San Jose had a 16 Billion dollar budget. - Brian Newman
She fired up the far right base and didn't screw up. Now people will listen to what she actually says. That could go either way. - Kevin Pedraja
@Dawn: You can choose to move the conversation to someone else but I find that a specious argument. You want to say McCain is not average, that he won't conform to the odds. Fine. It's akin to saying, it won't happen to me, right? You have two roller coasters to get on, one has a 1% chance of going off the rails, the other a 5% chance. Both low, but which do you get on? - AJ Kohn
@Dawn: but again, this election is really about issues, right? Where each candidate stands on the issues, can we agree on that? - AJ Kohn
Dawn, I must correct you regarding meager record. There have been quite a few, but at the top of the heap is George W. Bush. Unless, perhaps, we are talking about un-accomplishments. - Jody C
So does that mean the mayor of San Jose is more qualified than Obama also? - Caleb Easterwood
Experience is not about time served, it's about the decisions you've made, the lessons you've learned. If it were time served lets just take the longest serving politician and install he or she as President. So, instead, let's talk about issues! - AJ Kohn
I'll start an issue. Do you believe in trickle-down economics? Giving breaks to the rich and corporations in the hopes that wealth trickles down via jobs and opportunities. - AJ Kohn
Not true in my opinion. The people on the right will like her enthusiastically. The independents are the ones who will not like her. She calls herself an "pitbull with lipstick". Well that invites her to be treated like a pitbull. Especially the way she threw all that red meat around at the convention last night. The honeymoon is over. How about someone interview her and ask her the laundry list of questions the public is curious to know about her short past. By the way, the middle class voter will look at her selection as a token gesture to women that was a gamble and irresponsible for a person in the position of potential president. - Rolf Schewe via twhirl
List of US states by population. Alaska, 47. Unless Palin has done some serious caribou legislation, the large state issue is just silly. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L... - Jody C
Caleb: much of the President's job is working with Congress to get his policies enacted. So, Senate experience is MUCH more valuable to a President than being Governor or Mayor. But that's just my view. It really doesn't matter, though. The last administration had more experience than any in my lifetime and they screwed it all up. AJ is right. Experience doesn't matter. What matters is where are we going? Science? Technology? Innovation? Education? Or more religion? - Robert Scoble
Rolf: I think it'll be the debates before we know if your view is the one that'll take hold here. I hope it is, but it could go either way from here. - Robert Scoble
Oh c'mon...Palin has really been an instrumental leader in the caribou culture, they now have their own starbucks, mcdonald's and the caribou healthcare system is solid. :-) - Rich Harris
Palin is a necessary dose of viagra for a komodo dragon - tom matrullo
Indeed. This was just an initial impression. Anything can happen in politics. Ask George "Macacca" Allen how that went. Biden has to be careful not to inderestimate her and not to look like a bully either. She was a smart pick politically, but irresponisble pragmatically. Let's be honest, last night she read that speech well. She did not write it. It was likely a gift from the Bush team. - Rolf Schewe via twhirl
Wow. As someone who's worked with midrange/mainframe systems for 17 years, I can identify with what Steven is writing about. I think he's got a good point, although I wonder if the owners of the "castles in the clouds" will ever really get the justification (read: balls) to start charging. One thing though: once data starts to flow outside of your own domain, good luck on ever getting it all back. - Mark Dykeman
"Interesting. I guess I've been on enough social media sites to understand the basics, so I don't find them so hard anymore. But some of them are hard to get the hang of at first." - Mark Dykeman
even though this is written in marketing/business terms, the principle applies in many, many scenarios outside of marketing and business - Mark Dykeman
Microsoft may have proclaimed an era of cloud-computing, but its actions (which speak louder than words) do not echo that statement. There's way more marketing going towards its money-makers (Windows & Office), then there ever was for its webservices. - Vincent van Wylick
@kari, if I skimmed that article correctly, only the view-points of Microsoft-officials were recorded? I knew Betanews was Microsoft-focussed, but how biased is that. - Vincent van Wylick
I didn't notice that, but all that stuff about cookies and Android was just odd. And "There are already Web sites which are tailored to Safari"? WTF? - Kari Silvennoinen
Rob, oh, I know. I'm just a victim of my own FriendFeed. - Akiva Moskovitz
Mona, most people will not notice that a page loads in 1.1 seconds vs 1.3 seconds. Network speed and server issues cause many more speed issues than the browser. - Rob Diana
Well I AM excited about the multi processing and if there's truly a difference when the javascript loads separately. I also visit Ajaxy sites, so I'm thinking it'll make a huge difference -- to me. Especially, since I can't figure out how to efficiently manage the cache layering in Firefox3. :( But I'm not interested enough to load Windows in my Mac lol. I'm just happy I can experience Chrome vicariously through FriendFeed! :) - Mona N.
Yep, I remember this, for now, I see flash crawling on YouTube as a first test, but it gets used to it process, caching may be in cause. Else, it's fantastic, but for intense web development, firefox will do the case, you tend to accept the 'simplicity concept' like I don't want to rape the product by viciously applying stuff to it. Anyone seen gadget compatibility? - [ zu ]-eBailey
there is a huge difference between chrome and other browsers on some websites, specially those using a lot of javascript. - Olivier
Quite a few non-tech people I know already live within the browser--no matter which one. I don't think Chrome yet adds enough to be singled out from this crowd as being any better as a desktop "alternative." For instance, where are the primitives for editing, such as spell checking and the like? Every app is left to implement this on its own. A desktop replacement is going to have primitives that make the creation of these apps easier, more consistent, and better. I don't see Chrome achieving this yet. Chrome is still a browser that supports disperate languages, techniques, and the like. - Loren Heiny
I think that advantage will be short-lived. Teh FireFox folks already have a beta of a JS VM which pre-compiles to native code and is supposed to provide improvement of 30-400% performance gains. - Jason Carreira
Loren, most of the "primitives" that you want will probably come in time. The fact that plugins are not yet available are a real deal killer for some and these could provide some of the abilities you would like as well. This was totally about positioning at this point. - Rob Diana
Rob, great post! I was thinking this very same thing yesterday. - Mike Fruchter
Completely agree with you. Google’s Chrome is aimed at Windows, not IE
This is no longer about browser but about the an entire marketplace spread between desktop, mobile and web. With Chrome, Google’s taking a shot at Windows, not paltry Internet Explorer
I’ve covered this in more detail on my blog
http://sachendra.wordpress.com... - Sachendra
well I am trying chrome, and like parts of it a lot. I went to FF3 immediately and I find it much better than FF2. However, lots of people having mixed results with FF3. - Rob Diana
I actually hated Firefox until v3 which managed to win me over. My favorite browser is still Opera, however. The only things that had me using Firefox over Opera were two little extensions. Otherwise, I'd uninstall it. - Akiva Moskovitz
"I say it’s time we be proud of our Bozo Bins and not be afraid to use them because of some silly ass Web 2.0 political correctness." HAHA I love that, 'Bozo Bin'. - Mona N.
As someone who's been around for a while (I sometimes present the headers of my 1982 net.records message on Wall of Voodoo), I heartily endorse bozo binning. It can be especially useful if someone is being abusive - bozo binning saves your sanity. - Ontario Emperor via fftogo
PLONK. Oh, crap, I just revealed my age. Ah well, if I had an interface as flexible, effective, and well-made as Gnus for surfing my RSS feeds, FriendFeed and the like, my life would be a lot better. Variable weighting, read-item tracking, and the ability to quickly manage multi-thousand-item threads in 64k of RAM without even breaking a sweat. ... Hmmm, I wonder if you could reformat an RSS feed into looking like a news.group to Gnus? I think I'd even get URL unification for free if done right ... - Alexander Williams via NoiseRiver
I must go back and read in detail, but the closer was classic! - Mark Dykeman
Hey Alex, you get a load of the anarchists going nuts over there in the comments? Yet another political affiliation that apparently hates me now. - Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins
@Mark : I did. I used to have an anarchist in one of my social groups, years ago. He pretty much hated me, not for the least reason for my smiling toothily and reminding him that while his kind favoured steel-toed boots, mine favoured long arms and were known to be gun-nuts, and as such any state of anarchy would likely favour my success over his. They hate to be reminded of such things. - Alexander Williams via NoiseRiver
I suppose that if you hafta choose a political affiliation that wants to distance themselves from you (for WHATEVER reason :-p), the anarchists are the one to go with. - Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins
@Mark : It's not a SAFE choice, but it may be the best one. Except Eric the Half-a-Bee has started calling me an anarcho-fascist, which is just confusing enough to be amusing. - Alexander Williams via NoiseRiver
See, and you said you never got called cool stuff like proto-fascist neocon media whore. :) - Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins
@Mark : Hmm, good point. You should pop on BSU some night and call me creative things! - Alexander Williams via NoiseRiver
there's nothing wrong with being a nerd / geek / dork! revenge of the nerds ftw! - Mona N.
I refuse to admit that an Apple nerd is the second iteration of the original geek. I'd buy that the geek and the nerd both fork from the same dork tree, though. - Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins
Also, say that second sentence five times fast out loud. :) - Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins
+1 Mark. The internet is seemingly filled with 'geeks' who can't fix their own computers. (I said can't, not won't) - Yuvi
Funny >the geek and the nerd both fork from the same dork tree, though. - Russellreno
Very nice! You could replace the D&D by a deck of Magic the gathering in Geek 1.0 - João Almeida via twhirl
Geek 1.5 ("The Transitional"): 1. Trusty Palm V (in all its form factor glory) in hand, 2. Inserted into casual conversation: "AOL! - Pssf! Not even on dial-up anymore -- once you go to BroadBand, you can't go back! And High-waters, w/ pair of scissors applied, have become DYI shorts that are the new source of fashion ridicule. - Micah Wittman via twhirl
If my ADND gaming group is any indication, the game is still D&D, but character sheets are on the computers. I fully believe I combine the best of both worlds; with a Tablet PC my character sheets are both digital and handwritten. I've got to admit the spreadsheet users have it nice, when it comes to stat penalties and recalculating...uh, I think I should shut up, now. - MiniMage
