I wonder if anyone else thinks Facebook looks an aweful lot like the walled gardens that used to be AOL, Prodigy, Compuserve, etc. There are "pages" for sites like CNN and Mashable, it has its own email system (which I recall is due for a Rev). closed ecosystem of friends that doesn't interoperate with the Web at large, etc. Dunno. Just a thought.
That's how it looks today. But what if there were a Facebook-branded open community as well as the closed version?
- Louis Gray
It looks this way today, but they continue to move their userbase towards a less walled and more open reality as they compete more with Twitter. I suspect the acquisition of FriendFeed is another ste in that direction. When I first started on Facebook, you couldn't share your wall with "everyone" - the best you could do was networks and Friends of Friends. Each step counts.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
from PeopleBrowsr
Competition is a good thing, especially as it forces Facebook to be more open..
- MiaD
OK, so I challenge you all....play Joshs hamster dance music (posted above) while the twins bounce and try not to smile :-)
- Threepwood
Threepwood, I hearby swear to you that the four of us (wife included) have already rocked out to the Hamster Dance. I sent Josh a DM as proof. (But no video)
- Louis Gray
Remember that nice girl in the pink in the video? Well, this morning, she was in her crib in nothing but a diaper. Her outfit joined the bunny and elephant below. Yes, somehow she figured out all the snaps.
- Louis Gray
"FriendFeed is an awesome social aggregator and that’s something that I think Facebook was needing. I hope that Facebook can make the most of their purchase and use FriendFeed in a way that won’t alienate it’s users by making it too Facebook-ish"
- Keith - @tsudo
from Bookmarklet
I'd like to let myself believe that he's right but I have such a negative opinion of Facebook that I can't imagine that they won't screw up Friendfeed
- Keith - @tsudo
Good for Facebook..not so good for Friendfeed users...
- MiaD
Lots of people are saying I was always doing Twitter's following wrong. It's funny how social media experts have it all figured out. So, here's your chance to tell me how screwed up I still am.
- Robert Scoble
I think you tried a noble approach. It just was ruined by spammys. You did what you had to do to fix the problem.
- Drew Lucas
from iPhone
Tell me something I don't know. And tell me why. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Everyone thinks they're right in Social Media. I try to ignore them.
- Jesse Stay
were you? In hindsight? now you have done this big purge?
- Rob Sellen :o)
Drew: the real reason why I'm clueless is cause I am on FriendFeed, where I can put people into lists. Which, by the way, make AWESOME filters for searching.
- Robert Scoble
Robert - I think you're always interesting and thought provoking.
- Andy C
I agree with Jesse, everyone thinks they are a social media "guru". I loved your approach, well done.
- Johnny
Alex: pay me $20 and I'll tell you. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Robert: I don't think you're clueless...just so cutting edge it doesn't make sense! haha I really like friendfeed, and if more people would more over here, I would use it more than Twitter. Actually, I'm already starting to use it more than Twitter.
- Sam Guzman
Your clueless Robert. You have no clue how to do the whole social media thing. Please teach me your cluelessness Master. :-P
- Rasmus Lauridsen
Everyone needs to "reboot" their twitter strategy once in a while, there's no harm in it at all. It's just those out there who still think that thousands of followers is the only metric that everyone should go by to determine if you're using twitter successfully.
- Richard Arblaster
What? That's ridiculous. You don't look anything like Alicia Silverstone.
- John Craft
There is no right or wrong way to use (except maybe spam). Who cares what other people think about your social media habits.
- Shawn Hickman
I covered the topic of mass unfollowing awhile back when @Loic and @AriHerzog unfollowed everyone. I think you might enjoy the comments in particular. http://blog.tweetworks.com/2009...
- Mike Langford
Scoble is clueless like Socrates was foolish.
- Pierce Presley
Rob: in hindsight, yes, I was clueless. I just didn't get quite how clueless I was, because on FriendFeed I could follow small groups, like everyone else.
- Robert Scoble
The reason you are clueless, is because we ALL are at the start.. how could you have known the "right" way at the start?? Couldn't.. so you NOW changed things... :o) Big difference now then?
- Rob Sellen :o)
the thing you HAVEN'T been clueless about is friendfeed... ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
your clueless, just like the rest of us !! We are all trying to figure things out.. each have their own way of doing it. To each thier own posion !
- Peter Dawson
The only way to know if your Twitter/Social Media approach is working or not is by looking to see if it is accomplishing your goals. There is no "one-size-fits-all" approach in a dynamic growing space. This Right/Wrong game is tiring at best.
- Bill Sanders
I have learned that there is no one set way to do social media right or wrong. Is there an echo in here?
- Mike Lewis
For half a sec I thought it was a FAB publicity stunt! Seriously Robert I adore and respect you. There are 2 different views. Twitter is different things to different people. You and I can agree to disagree. But, won't you MISS the amazing view of your HOME stream???
- Arleen Boyd
Arleen: the thing is I was looking at that screen less and less. Now I look at it a lot. Well, except for today cause Twitter has been mostly down.
- Robert Scoble
I find that alot of people are a bit... selfish in social media. I follow people I find interesting. They don't need to follow me back. Maybe they don't think what I post is interesting even if I find theirs to be. We got to cut down on our ego tripping sometimes and let people enjoy the social tools, the way they enjoy em. I bet ya, there are not two people out there, that use all of this in exactly the same way, and that is great.
- Rasmus Lauridsen
Steve: that's absolutely not true. Sit next to me sometime. I can follow many thousands of people.
- Robert Scoble
Your comments make the conclusion that everyone that disagrees with you is a social media expert, spammer, or non-techie. Are you sure you are not a politician in disguise? LOL Putting people in groups on Friendfeed did not require a massive un-following on twitter I know what you are doing. I like FreindFeed. I would not like twitter near as much if FriendFeed was not there. I am grateful for FriendFeed and it champion. Cheers for Robert
- RetiredTeacherD
Sorry Scobe, but you innovate, care deeply about all of this, and are fun to read. You don't even budge my Lame-O-Meter. (As for lame, well, AP is the King aren't they. And Reuters just told them to stop whining. Heh.)
- Bob Morris (polizeros)
Seems funny to me that everybody is still talking about this issue. What's the difference between this and telling people what you're having for lunch? Twitter is chatter but from time to time, a clear interesting idea comes through and sparks a reaction. Reminds me of the thought process in my own brain... tons of ideas, lots of chatter and some gems. Meditation helps me quiet my mind... perhaps unfollowing does the same. In any case, less chatter is always better.
- Yanik Falardeau
RetiredTeacher: heheh. But, sorry, the main reason I did the unfollow isn't the home feed, but DM's. They just became more and more filled with spam and useless stuff. Getting my home feed back is like icing on a cake.
- Robert Scoble
@Robert, There's no right or wrong answer to social media usage. Only you can decide your goals and if you're successful in achieving those goals, that's all there is to it. You're anything but clueless, not that you need me to tell you that :)
- MiaD
I was a big critic of your Swisher/Mossberg article as I think you are misguided about where in the social chain FF falls-- HOWEVER... although I had a FF account for awhile doesnt mean I 'tried' it. In light of the non conversational approach twitter is taking ( @replies) and the fact its getting spammy and many people are talking AT me not WITH me I concede. I don't agree with some of your tactics or selling points but I do agree FF IS ABSOLUTELY on to something in a big way.
- cheapsuits
Auto following everyone is not good idea...
- k00pa
IMO. Your following deletion was good thing :)
- k00pa
I just use Twitter differently than most. Regardless whether I "follow" you or not, I still follow millions of people because I mostly use search for getting what I want.
- Jesse Stay
you did an experiment. you learned something. take the learning and move on. economic theorists are doing the same thing:-) maybe spammers were Twitter's Black Swan.
- Francine Hardaway
from BuddyFeed
Let's assume for a moment that you are, indeed, clueless. Since you follow the same methodologies as most other "social media experts", then they, themselves, are clueless, as well. Since most "experts" (like yourself, Pirillo, and Conn) are generally smart people, then all clueless people are geniuses. Therefor, you are a genius and are, beyond a shadow of a doubt, not clueless.
- Thomas Ward
So Ashton Kutcher can have 3+ Million followers and only follows a few, so why can't you filter the noise too? Double standard...
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Robert: Glad you liked it. Hell, I'm glad you understood it! Even I began to believe I was only rambling!
- Thomas Ward
My favorite thing about you is that you do your own thing. Go with your gut.
- Ted Murphy
Marcel: that will also cost you $20. This is how I will monetize social media! :-)
- Robert Scoble
An 'auto-follow everyone regardless' is just nuts. I don't think you're clueless. I just think you *were* nuts :)
- 1x29
Ted: In this case his "own thing" is what many of us have been telling him he should be doing for months now ;-)
- Ken Sheppardson
It's your SM experience, so you get to do as you wish. Personally, I think it's great you're not chasing numbers so much anymore. But the next time I experiment and you tell me I'm doing it wrong, I'm gonna remind you of this and demand a one-time pass, OK?
- Chris Baskind
OneGear: my heart was in the right place. I was doing that so everyone could DM me. Of course that let in spammers and other bad actors. So, turns out you are right.
- Robert Scoble
Chris: we're all doing it wrong. :-)
- Robert Scoble
I think you did it right: the conversation is going again and everyone is thinking about things. Job done.
- WorldofHiglet
Surprised you lasted this long with that many users.
- Mark Chandler
Forget about them, Rob. Heck, I may even follow in your footsteps! Seems like all I'm getting anymore is links to products I don't want or sites I have no interest in visiting. Oh ... as far as the green avatar goes, you should have it say "Scoble Smash!" underneath you!
- Thomas Ward
I miss the Robert Scoble with long thoughtful blog posts and video interviews. I understand that it is not easy to find the balance between the conversations/interactions thingy and the content thingy.
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Edwin: I've been posting a LOT of video. But, yeah, need to get back to doing long blogs.
- Robert Scoble
I'll give you that $20 for your lists! *giggle*
- Arleen Boyd
Hmm. Do you post all your videos on your blog? different content on blog, building43, somewhere else? I liked the Office 10 videos.
- Edwin Khodabakchian
you were telling people that they didn't "get it" for doing exactly what you are doing now
- Eber Irigoyen
lame, wrong, and awesome. Keep it up!
- motownmutt
Eber: yes, I told Loic that. Again, my heart was in the right place. I wanted to get DM's from everyone who wanted to follow me. Turned out that was a bad strategy because of spammers. So I was wrong. I'm often wrong. Keep that in mind when I tell you off. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Twitter is the one doing it wrong. They should just read our minds and learn what information we need and publish it to our home page. No need to follow anyone in that case.
- Sumanth Kolar
dont worry Sumanth, google will take care of that ;)
- Kashif Khan
There could come a time when I reverse strategy, in six months, as you did, and you can mock me then. But right now, I am keeping the door open to new contacts and not wiping them away. FriendFeed is my high quality network.
- Louis Gray
Thanks Robert! It just occurred to me one alternative to domain squatting is embarrassing Avatar adoption. Your $20-at-a-time strategy is more credible than most monetization schemes (scams?)
- Richard pancakhaus Walker
It would seem to me you did it "right" as it brought a strategic challenge to light. It's been the source of some great posts and conversation. It's not as though things are unsalvagable even if you made a miscalculation. As a strategist I don't think there is a generic right or wrong way. You have to align your social media activity to meet your goals. If your approach on Twitter wasn't working to meet your goals then you did the right thing.
- Jim Goldstein
There is no wrong way to use a resource that is infinitely customizable. Well, perhaps there are illegal or immoral ways, and thus "wrong." But not the case here.
- Justin Long
I've seen everywhere (it seems) that social media is all about the user's experience, that they should determine what's best for themselves. Yet, I constantly see posts and threads about how to do it right. I don't care what Robert is doing, because he has other reasons for using it than I do, and on down the line. Too much of social media "time" is spent discussing social media.
- Steve Lowe
One question, Robert: What would you guess is your reach in terms of unique users? (if you combine all the channels you are on?)
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Do your thing man. You know leaders are always jeered before they are applauded -- don't wait for the applause <grin>
- Pam Baker
Very much in agreement with what Steve Lowe just argued.
- Marcos
" Too much of social media "time" is spent discussing social media. - Steve Lowe " SOOO TRUE!!!
- cheapsuits
Robert I agree. The lists feature is one of the most valued.
- Drew Lucas
from iPhone
Robert, "right" or "wrong" is immaterial here. Each user gets something different out of their use of social media. So each user constantly adjusts their social media experience to fit what they want to receive. Your mass unfollowing is not wrong. Your user paradigm changed.
- Jack Wilson, K4SAC
Not clueless. You're simply learning more-and-more about web 2.0 and social media as you go. Trying different approaches. Ultimately it's your #Twitter account and you can do with it as you please.
- Eric D. Wilson
Robert: My heart was in the right place too when I followed back my first porn tweet follow from an email notification - I honestly didn't realise at the time ;-) Boy did that open up the flood gates! My main advice on twitter now is to stay away from any girl with three numbers as her surname :D I can only imagine the spam you got from auto-following to 106,000 follows. Each day we get older and wiser :)
- 1x29
Robert: can you write a blog post about how you setup your groups in friendfeed? I this it would make for an interesting read.
- Bryan Lee
When you were using auto-follow, it made the most sense to do so. Twitter changed, you examined what was working and what wasn't working, and made some adjustments. You are still doing it right. You also invested your time in FriendFeed pretty early on. That was also a good decision. (That will be $25, thank you.)
- Mark Davidson
from BuddyFeed
I'm no expert and I don't care how you handle your tweeples... I'm just curious how you were able to avoid being suspended for mass unfollowing. My account was suspended after I cleared out 20 or so folks I didn't want to follow any longer. It's against their latest TOS to mass unfollow or follow. Your celebrity in the tech world probably gets you the free pass on the TOS violation, yeah?
- t i n y m
I'm not of that mindset, if all adopted that mindset and only followed very close knowns what would you have? A phone call
- JuneM
Tinym: He used one of the premium services on SocialToo.com You have the ability to either Unfollow everyone that isn't following you back or you can unfollow everyone.
- Bryan Lee
Thanks Bryan. I used a third party service to unfollow too - I still got suspended. I guess my third party service wasn't as good as SocialToo...
- t i n y m
i dont really understand their argument...i had to mass unfollow some people as well, as I was getting spam and it was clogging up the stream.
- Crackle
I just joined FF today due to a few factors: 1) Twitter went down and a light bulb went off 2) I've been following you for quite awhile and you're not lame nor do I think you're doing it wrong and 3) I finally acted upon all the advice you've shared about FF. If you follow me back, fine. At any rate, I'm following you here. I do like the threaded message form, which trumps any Twitter app. I'm also looking for value, not noise.
- MR
It just signified your preference to communicate with high numbers on FriendFeed where everyone can be organized, searched and found- it is thus more meaningful. On Twitter it was chaos for you that way and everyone lost. Why lie?
- E-Advocate Network
LOL. Just a theological point: God's following everyone (or not) is not a theological explanation for why bad things happen to good people. But I'm guessing you're speaking tongue-in-cheek?
- Justin Long
Change is natural. It's part of innovation. We adjust to new tools and technologies as they evolve, and because our methods of using them change, the tools evolve. Sometimes they (or us) take even a bigger leap and revolutionize. Then we get the next big thing, or take the next significant step in history. It's far better that you adapted, Robert, based on your findings, needs and experiences, than continued on with previous use patterns.
- Cathryn Hrudicka
People are haters. Ignore the idiots.
- Nile Flores
I second Nile even when I disagree with you Robert! (((pu liki))) spreading Aloha!
- Arleen Boyd
Zee I am so happy for you - I know how much you adore her. :) Congratulations again and may you have a fantabulous life together, filled with joy, love, and laughter! Best, Mona
- Mona Nomura
This has been coming up in my feed all day and I have not begun to tire of it at all. Lovely! Congratulations again!
- Jim in Real Time
Wow. Congrats Mucho! A long, healthy and happy life for the both of you! Remember how much you love each other right now, because down the road a few years, you might wonder where you are, how you got there, and who is sleeping next to you in bed. It's hard, hard work. But it's worth it!
- Morgan Haley
Congratulations. And enjoy the rest of your vacation!
- Meryn Stol
Beautiful girl and beautiful ring.....congratulations!
- Bonnie Foster
"Excellent post! I find that getting out there and meeting people to be highly inspiring. Most of my blog posts are inspired by offline conversations both within and outside of the tech industry. Humans are more interesting than we give them credit for :)"
- MiaD
These are the top 4 things I come up against talking to people, customers, etc. These excuses are in people's heads so much, and get repeated so often. They are the reason that I now phrase it like, I am really only looking to work with people who already KNOW they need to be in that space. Thanks for the link.
- Tobin Truog
Fondly remembering your talk at inbound marketing re: it's not too much, it's that you don't have the tools!
- anna sauce
spot on ... the doubters are always late to the party
- Thomas Power
Thanks, Louis! :) I was hoping that it's just an aberration, but the pattern repeated itself once too many times. I have to add that realizing the value is just the first step, folks still need to adopt it..
- MiaD
Yesterday on my way to work, so a woman reading on a Kindle on the subway. On my ride back home, on the subway, a guy was reading on a Kindle. Are these things selling like hotcakes or what? I've never seen anyone with a G1.
I think I am just going to take it easy, little blogging - more just relaxing and watching b grade science fiction movies. That and sleep in, sleeping in is good.
- Dan Morrill AKA Techwag
Well I was going to...OHH CRAP, I'm not American ! :(
- Mo Kargas
Skating tomorrow afternoon, moonshine tasting tomorrow night, going to a party at a friend's house Saturday night, recovering Sunday.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
I'm already rockin' a 5 day weekend! :D Going out with a friend tonight, crashing at her place and going to the beach (or to see The Hangover if it rains) tomorrow, then taking off to stay at another friend's place for fireworks Friday and Saturday nights.
- Penguin It's Cold Outside
Working mostly but hopefully blogging and a little fun in the sun as well..and yes, sleep would be nice too..Have a great long weekend!! :)
- MiaD
I liked this because at first I thought I had a 3-day, too (bank holidays!). Then I got the smack-down at work that I was mistaken. :( Unusual for the bank. Supposedly there's a floating holiday to take its place somewhere, but my team lead was unsure when it was. I better get something!
- Kamilah Gill
Guys, on twitter - how do you know who you're friends with (i.e. both the people you're following and the people you're following back?) - update: refollow.com is the best option...surprised twitter doesn't have this integrated though)
oh, so there was never a list of "friends" on twitter.com itself?
- Zee.
Zee: if on their profile page you see a "message {user}" and you don't see a "follow" button, they're your friends (i.e. you follow them and they follow you)
- Jorge Escobar
right, thanks Jorge. But bizarre there isn't just one list of "friends" isn't it...
- Zee.
Yes, there is. If you click on 'followers", you can see at a glance if you're subbed to someone. If you're following them too, It says "Following" in bold with a green checkmark.
- Admiral Anika
yeah, but i have to literally scan to see the ones that i'm not following right? I mean, there isn't just one list of people who i'm both following and they are following me back
- Zee.
Ya, that pisses me off too! the new list shows, in list format, if you follow those who follow you but doesn't show if those who you follow are following you back, odd don't you think?
- Brian
lol, i don't really want to know who's not following me back in this case...I just want to know who i'm friends with. But anyway, its all good - thanks guys, http://refollow.com does the job perfectly
- Zee.
Twitter Karma not only shows you who you both follow and is following you, but also everyone you just follow and everyone that just follows you. It also allows you to preform bulk actions (follow, unfollow, block). http://dossy.org/twitter...
- Dan Monzelowsky
Zee, you're right, there's no one-stop way to do this on Twitter, and it probably should be added. I can never remember any of the URLs mentioned above and have to go to my delicious and look for them everytime...
- Jorge Escobar
Ahh.. Carmen changed it to her doggie Bruno.. Check her Twitter, it probably still has the Fanta pic in it. Mona changes her profile pic every 3 hours, so just wait. :D
- Haggis (Sean Loyless)
It's possible to use a picture of your face without using a picture of your face, Kol. Don't think for one minute I'd use a pic of my face without altering it...a lot. The Mucha style is what I used: http://morph.cs.st-andrews.ac.uk/...
- April Russo (app103)
Might be. Real-time systems hurt "time" and "energy", but when the way to gain information and knowledge has changed from "one-way" to "interact", we do need a realtime platform; real-time makes us consume information too fast, information becomes "history" when it's been consumed; being "too fast", we become less sensitive to information and it might cause we are "sensitiveless" to taking action, and "taking actions" change the world:)
- K.D.
naw, not for me. Distributed knowledge is emerging from the tacit and explicit. Nonaka talked about it in his book the knowledge creating company 1995. he called it middle out or something like that, as opposed to top down or bottom up
- Robert Higgins
Twitter search is broken. FF search isn't great, but it's better than Twitter. I agree this is time for Facebook or Google to step up. Facebook already has almost the same abilities as Friendfeed (since they copied), while lacking some other services and features that FriendFeed has. I was actually kinda disappointed with what Google has not done with jaiku and Orkut. They could still...
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- Ⓐ ☠ slayerboy ☠ Ⓐ
However, Twitter / FF Search was and is invaluable when the Iran protests (or any other major breaking news) is happening, with no one else even close in terms of the coverage. Sure, it needs to be filtered and better organized, but that'll happen.
- Bob Morris (polizeros)
Bob, completely agree. For "real-time" searching, Twitter and FF are amazing. But after a while it gets lost. The first service to allow searching "archives" will win
- Ⓐ ☠ slayerboy ☠ Ⓐ
Ok then Scoble, as an experiment. Does your repost here get more comments than the original on your blog? I'm guessing it does.
- Bob Morris (polizeros)
twitter is not meant to deliver knowlege,on the contrary ,she delivers situation,points
- boockit
IMHO, conversations happen in real-time and analysis over the long-term. It is disappointing that search/archiving capability sucks on the real-time sites and I agree, there's a huge opportunity for Google to own this space, but the question is whether it's listening.
- MiaD
real-time is itself a source. We need tools to farm the source for things relevant to us.
- Ahsan Ali aka. Slick
@Bob, the question shouldn't be "does it get more comments?" but "does it get better-quality comments?". It seems to me like a lot of the comments here aren't really addressing the substantive points Robert is making.
- Ian Betteridge
Apart from the search problems, do you think long-term knowledge benefits from a 140 character container?
- Yousef
We will build AI systems that will encompass and integrate ultra-real time microscopic data gathering and analysis with ultra-long term macroscopic knowledge systems. They will advise us to the best of our abilities to understand them.
- Sean McBride
"best of our ability to understand" the AIs? you mean they're all gonna talk like The Architect in "The Matrix?" ergo, some of their answers we will understand and some we will not? concordantly, while we remain irrevocably human, and our queries may be pertinent, we may or may not realize that they are also irrelevant? ;-)
- Karim
I think that at least the client you use should store your searches and cache the results, providing you with a local archive so you have a journal of your actions. Given the massive volume of tweets every day, do you think it's even do-able to store everything. Everything?
- Marlin Forbes
Storing everything on the Internet permanently (not just Twitter tweets) wouldn't be too difficult for some large corporations and government agencies. It's probably being done already. Data mining that collection with automated knowledge discovery systems that are capable of learning and self-improvement is the more interesting question.
- Sean McBride
Any existing business, startup or entrepeneur that isn't using the wisdom of crowds to some level to build the future of their brand is absolutely missing a huge opportunity (and the boat). Great list.
- Erik Boles
this can cause some real damage to existing blog frameworks - when u got Twitter + FF integration with FF links on blog like Scoble has, the structure of these links as such with crowdsourcing is very innovative.
- iTbay
crowd sourcing would work in photography if photographers r willing 2 think as a family of photographers. I do see far and between that a group of photographers would work together as a team, expect in when i saw one in Toronto Film Festival, but its more like semi-professional. Can get into it long blurb...
- polou/indigo_bow
www.wherearethejoneses.com (a marketing product - a crowd sourced comedy for Ford) which informed our recently announced venture with Ridley Scott Associates www.purefold.com - which will use FriendFeed extensively.
- zeroinfluencer
I think the principle is great, but are you not in a unique situation - you can reach many thousands more people instantly than I can... Therefore you can get a broader sense of opinion than if I asked a similar question.
- Paul Kinlan
Great post. I just posted an example of how small businesses can use crowdsourcing to generate lists of any kind. The example I gave was generating a list of Twitter aliases of the small biz / tech reporters at the top 50 major metro daily papers. Granted, I paid for the work via Smartsourcing (Smartsheet + Mechanical Turk) but I got a ton of information for $68!
- Maria Colacurcio
I don't think the question is whether crowdsourcing works or not, but rather WHEN does it work. How do you make sure you are reaching the right "crowd" of knowledgeable experts who can help you? And how large of a "crowd" do you have to reach to get good help? Not everyone is like Robert Scoble, with 97,000+ people who chose to follow because they are interested in technology.
- David Rondeau
Isn't crowdsourcing more or less an amped up version of asking friends and family "hey, whaddaya think about x?" The key differences are that (a) if you're Scoble, hundreds of people clamour to be heard, but if you're new and not that interesting yet, you're whispering in the wind and I suppose (b) it's a bit quicker if Scoble's (a) obtains. Of course, there's mining the data for the...
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- Rob Kramer
You just made me laugh out loud, nope you're very normal..but then again I am (and surrounded) by geeks/gadget lovers so my POV is skewed ;)
- MiaD
That's encouraging to hear from you Mia. I thought maybe it was just a guy thing. Glad to hear that it's just a geek thing in general. :)
- Tac Anderson
So how come she didn't pay him her share of the settlement, too busy twittering her mind away?
- ianf ⌘
Tina, I just checked out her blog. Check it out O_O
- Hao Chen
@Hao: How many career blogs start off with "I've had 2 abortions". I just about threw up in my mouth. Say what you want about abortion, but just bandying it about like that is just .... :S. She sounds like exactly the personality type that would fail to make a payment. Not impressed in the least. Repulsed, actually
- LANjackal
How is a twitter feed evidence for not paying anything??
- Dawn
@dawnkey: She probably tweeted that she missed a payment
- LANjackal
from IM
Then why is she surprised that it's being used as evidence? I hope he nails her. People who don't live up to court orders are dirt bags IMO, no matter what sex they are.
- Dawn
I love her blog FWIW. The kids live with her and she is the oft-broke CEO of a startup. She has trouble paying her power bill some months. I think she still maintains a rich American's lifestyle though.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
@Daniel: Thanks for the diligence, but no
- LANjackal
from IM
Sure she's a horrible person and all, but how would you react to this tweet of hers? "I racked up $50K in legal bills in NY and WI to be sure my son's schools adhere to special ed law. Still, after today's IEP meeting, I cry." http://friendfeed.com/penelop...
- Daniel J. Pritchett
@Daniel: I'm not gonna reply to that one bc I don't want to start a firestorm. All I'm saying is that I'm not following her at all
- LANjackal
from IM
She's definitely a guilty pleasure. I get a lot out of some of her posts but it's not always safe to admit to liking her blog... especially on days like today.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
from IM
@Daniel She seems like a person who thrives on chaos. No matter what the medium, she'll find a way to abuse it and get herself into trouble. That being said, I am glad, thanks to this FF post, I found her Twitter Feed, it's highly entertaining...
- MiaD
People *this* is why you have two feeds - a public and a private one.
- cecily
Her compulsive oversharing is one of the reasons she got rich to begin with. She can't turn it off.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
from IM
She's going to find out this won't turn out well for her. I didn't post anything revealing or incriminating about myself and still got roasted in court for writing about my case online.
- Trish R
"I told this to my divorce lawyer last week when he told me would not represent me if I didn't stop writing about my divorce. He told me that he can't represent me if I am undermining my case in my blog. I told him there is nothing worth saving more than my ability to document my life. I told him that somewhere, my husband understood this, because I published weekly documentation of our...
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- Daniel J. Pritchett
@Daniel: Holy Hell. She def does not get the concept of Too Much Information, sheesh
- LANjackal
from IM
It's legal (at least in some situations), it's just a horrible idea because it gives the opposition unlimited ammo to attack you.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
@Sean +1 to what Daniel said. It's just a really really really bad idea. There's no law against shooting urself in the face either
- LANjackal
from IM
Daniel is correct. It's legal to write about your case online, but do you really want everything you write being dissected in court? Everything we write is open to interpretation, and it might not be the interpretation you wanted.
- Trish R
It's an extended variation of the venerable "don't say anything to the cops unless you lawyer tells you to say it first" strategy.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
from IM
No one knew what a blog was when it happened to me (2003). The judge in my case was so upset by it that after the case was over, I was under a court order not to discuss the case or my ex online. She's making a huge mistake and she should start listening to her lawyer.
- Trish R
@Trish: I learned in a rather embarrassing manner about not talking about court cases outside of court. Defendant in traffic case happened to call me, then mentioned it in her testimony. Judge def thought something was up btwn us :S
- LANjackal
from IM
Going through a divorce myself, I've been very careful about what I post online, however, you have ask at what point does your right to a freedom of speech and to express yourself kick in as well. Or to put it another way, your right to have a life and friends?
- Paul OFlaherty
@Paul: No one's telling you to shut up, and you won't be punished *under law* unless you're breaking a court gag order. But the other side can certainly use it against you. That's not a freedom of speech issue at all. Freedom != no consequences. It only means you won't break a law by doing it
- LANjackal
@Daniel - If only you could trust the advice that your lawyer gives you. I've seen lawyers do more damage than good at times with their "expert advice". LOL
- Paul OFlaherty
@Paul: Good point. Having a lawyer does not excuse you from keeping your own head screwed on ...
- LANjackal
I'm going through a nasty divorce as well, and my ex has threatened to sue me for blogging about it. He hasn't though, because the fact is if it's true, it's not libel and therefor not illegal. Then again he IS suing me for giving him herpes despite testing negative twice, so maybe that's just the next step.
- Suburban Oblivion
@Suburban Oblivion He's just a f'n idiot and you know it. This is the same guy who claims I'm an alcoholic because I told someone on Twitter that I was "The voice in your head encouraging you to drink".. LOL
- Paul OFlaherty
@Suburban T.M.I. Jesus Christ I'm gonna have to delete this thread real soon if you all don't behave :P
- LANjackal
Totally agree @MiaD.....thrives on chaos, seeks attention, drama queen.....could be this is why there's a divorce in the first place.
- Bonnie Foster
The woman is an exhibitionist. It's the same mental disorder as the guys who stand on the corner and flash. I think reading her posts is no different than staring at somebody who has obvious mental or physical problems. I don't think it should be used as entertainment.
- Dawn
It doesn't matter if it's true or not. It's not about libel or slander. If you blog about your ex and you're involved in a divorce or custody case, it can show your state of mind and your attitude towards your ex and concern can be raised to the judge that this attitude might be seen by your children. If you blog about how upset you are or about your negative feelings towards your...
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- Trish R
Any one else run into "internal server error" when you tried to access this blog post? I got to it once but I've been running into errors since...
- MiaD
Great post. You're absolutely right - the social nature of the web will rule, and there is nothing we can do about it. Brands had better get on board ASAP or be lost in the clutter of the static web.
- Lauren Hughes
ROI of a hug is warmth, connection. ROI of social media can be best answered by PR/marketing/sales people, their niche in connecting with the community. But, to expect EVERYONE to be constantly using 'social media' during normal business hour is insane. Yes, ROI should be asked by any enterprise. Otherwise, there wouldn't be any profitable business around. An algorithm cannot be written when coders are misguided to use social media to 'collaborate'. A great write up on that, http://3.ly/iaM
- Moushumi Kabir
One last thought on ROI of a hug. Cynic in me: how many people will hug someone they are having a disagreement with or dislike? Bottom-line? We all expect something in return, be it in social space or workplace. If someone can show me they hugged their worst enemy, I will call it a selfless act and maybe drop ROI 'talk'. My 2 cents! :-)
- Moushumi Kabir
@John Are you saying the stats are incorrect? If so, why?
- Brad Williamson
Also, I wonder if anyone has done an analysis on how many of the active accounts that are generating 90% of tweets are of any value to anyone, ie, they are not personal hygine tweets, or tweets for just getting a tag on the trending topics list.
- Dilip Dand
Numbers should tell the real story and NOT be abused to support a theory. This writer has cobbled together a mishmash of flawed data to make a very weak argument. Take the disclaimer behind the attrition numbers "Nielsen is likely overstating the churn because ..majority of Twitter use happens away from the site" How can you throw a number like 60% out there, knowing it may be grossly...
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- MiaD
I don't need numbers to tell me Twitter isn't worth the hype it's getting. I can ASSUME it's over-rated and be correct.
- Brad Williamson
On the contrary, this probably fits the models of most websites, and probably of most things in life. Is it really surprising that 10% generate 90% of the content? That most people stop using Twitter after a few days? The data actually seems pretty consistent with reality, although I don't think it has anything to say about whether or not Twitter is over-hyped. There's nothing in there that supports or detracts from the argument.
- Victor Ganata
Content is more important than quality. The people who don't use Twitter after a few days were not using it for business, news or politics. Twitter greatly enhances the ability to follow a story or advocate a cause, and in certain circles, you couldn't function without it.
- Morgaine Swann
"Content is more important than quality"? Huh?
- Brad Williamson
@Brad no, I am not questioning the stats per se, but it's a slanted picture. Technorati is saying that only about 7 percent of blogs are actively updated. Are blogs more dead than Twitter? Not really. Social media outlets are being measured against mass media benchmarks that rarely have equivalent meaning. What does it mean that I have intense interaction with a small circle of people in SM versus being one of millions of people reading a newspaper story? Apples and oranges.
- John Blossom
I am curious as to how much of the traffic to Twitter comes from 3rd party apps, given that users don't need to go to the site as full functionality is available through Twitter clients. I noticed even newbie Oprah uses TwitterBerry for her updates.
- MiaD
Facebook's traffic drops too every once in a while. and then picks up speed again. These kind of stats really don't mean a lot unless it becomes trending
- Alexander van Elsas
Mia - the website traffic always has been undercounted for Twitter. But the trends were pretty good measures of growth. May was an abrupt halt to the growth train.
- Hutch Carpenter
That's interesting. I used to see a great deal of traffic from StumbleUpon to my blog, but haven't seen much recently. Do you think it's because of Twitter, since that seems to be the promotional channel of choice now?
- MiaD