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I just passed 46,000 followers. Too bad that we probably won't get to 50,000. Oh well. Twitter and Facebook FTW.
Gordon Saunders, Darren Heydon, Louis Gray and 22 other people liked this
Thanks to everyone who made my life more interesting over the past 18 months. Really appreciate it!
- Robert Scoble
Oh hell...*fistbump* Robert. See ya on the flip side :)
- Bill Heslin
No, thank you!
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Robert: Are you leaving the FF party already?
- 1x29
you won't find me in either place, so I'll just say an early goodbye now. Be good!
- Jim Misses SP
Hi Robert
- Randy Allen Bishop
let the fun continue on your public profile sure it will be real-time there soon :)
- Peter du Toit (S.Africa)
from fftogo
OneGear: I will stick around a few more days, but, yes, I am probably not going to pour a whole lot more time into FriendFeed. I'm just not getting signals that FriendFeed will see anymore investment. I'll wait to see if that's right and go over and have chat with the team when I get back. By then they'll probably have a better sense of what they are going to work on. Let's set a date for our big "goodbyes" soon.
- Robert Scoble
Once Scoble goes - the conversation will leave Friendfeed too *sad*
- Pon
Robert, so where will you be hanging out? Twitter? fb?
- Myrna
scoble alone cant keep a website up :P that's why i like to see some of these ideas in a place where there are many more people...
- Terry O'Fee
i mean, theres a lot of people here but many many more on FB ,,
- Terry O'Fee
Sigh. You are making me very sad, Robert.
- Fa La La La Lindsay
Robert, thanks for making FriendFeed a more interesting place.
- Andrew
Then the question is... where is the next interesting place for early adopters to hang out??? Thanks for sharing lots of interesting things and asking provocative questions, Robert.
- Sally Church
Robert, I thought it wasn't about how many followers you have, but who you follow?
- Jeff P. Henderson
Jeff: truth be told it's fun to watch the follower numbers.
- Robert Scoble
Can I give you my 10001 followers...oh did i mention they seem to be random rabid spambots? :)
- Weird Shanghai
How Are Tech Bloggers are Leading the Marketing 2.0 Revolution? Find out here:
Paul Jacobson, Daniel Rowley, Mark Harai and 73 other people liked this
Jeremiah Owyang, Robert Scoble, Mark Silva and Kevin Marks are on a panel at the San Francisco American Marketing Association this evening, hosted by Mark Evans: http://www.friendfeed.com/markeva...
- Louis Gray
The focus: Businesses from restaurants, to retail, to service businesses all share the commonality of seeing their customer face-to-face. As this provides some of the best positioning to capitalize on social media opportunities, the question becomes how come so few are taking advantage of the Web 2.0 tools to help drive sales?
- Louis Gray
Mark Evans: We are going to change with the times and start to be more open source -- including the community in what we are doing, so we can be the hub of marketing in the Bay Area.
- Louis Gray
Mark Evans: In the next few months, there will be a lot of events around social media, and partner events/seminars.
- Louis Gray
Louis: Are you attending?
- Sheryl
Sheryl, I am hiding in the back where I quietly can type and go unnoticed. *Yes*
- Louis Gray
Now introducing the panelists... Kevin Marks first, Jeremiah Owyang, Mark Silva, and Scoble goes last.
- Louis Gray
good job louis keep it up
- Allen Stern
isnt mark evans in canada?
- Allen Stern
Robert moderating: When I started blogging 9 years ago, Dave Winer said we should blog from conferences. Google was new back then and I could only find two other blogs. Now there are conferences on Twitter, a form of blogging...
- Louis Gray
Robert: It used to be just friends talking to each other, and we would talk on our blogs about what we were doing in life and how disappointed we were that we were all laid off in the downturn, and now we are in another downturn.
- Louis Gray
Robert: Techmeme is where I go to find the hottest tech news that is happening. Now I find Google blog PR and now MG Siegler from TechCrunch - a news blog. (pulled up on his iPhone) and PR announcements from YouTube, etc. Over 9 years we have changed from a bunch of guys talking on the new system, laid off and tired of the world...
- Louis Gray
Robert: Now the geeks that were showing up at the blogger dinner (Mena Trott starting the software of Moveable Type) has a company... Brad Fitzgerald of LiveJournal was there and on and on. I think I got the opportunity to moderate the panel because blogging is changing. Now it is PR and news stuff - which isn't as useful.
- Louis Gray
FYI - Allen, this is Mark Evans in the Bay Area, not the Mark Evans of Canada.
- Louis Gray
Robert: Now we have linking rules. If you work for Mike Arrington, you can't link to Mashable. I notice a lot of corrosive effects. Bloggers aren't talking about how to do things, they are talking about the stuff of the day, or who died today. That wouldn't be talked about 8 or 9 years go. Blogging has changed and it has left a hole for a new kind of tech blogger.
- Louis Gray
Jeremiah: This is a natural evolution. The more mainstream social media gets, the more it looks like mainstream media. Robert is trying to use the new tools, always trying to find what's next. This is a natural evolution.
- Louis Gray
Robert: The early brands were not brand-averse, but they were averse to marketing. The voices are not being heard as much. The interesting insight and dirt isn't coming out. Apple is a great example of being secret, prepared and buttoned up. The system has conformed, and we are going to new places to tell each other what we think.
- Louis Gray
Kevin: Here we are going over and over again. I worked for Technorati so I can take the guilt for the Top 100 being there. It changes all the time. The long tail distribution that we have all seen and heard about... there have been changes. Watching the Technorati 100 you could see big changes but also a giant spread of hundreds of millions of blogs that talk about different stuff.
- Louis Gray
Kevin: Techmeme is an illusion of what's on the top.
- Louis Gray
Kevin: You had the idea of subscribing to feeds, but you couldn't do a keyword search to see what some people like. Now you follow a person and say they are interesting and I will follow them. Now social networks are letting you friend and follow. Some of it is heavy social make me feel good stuff. (Kevin is having dinner in SF), but half is following people who are interesting, and you build a sense of trust that draws on a human sense of trust of knowing a person.
- Louis Gray
Kevin: What we find is that we are moving from a world where advertising is a recommendation from someone trying to influence you who you don't trust. Celebrities are halfway fake friends people you think you know, but they can serve a purpose too.
- Louis Gray
Robert: In the early days of blogging, nobody paid me, and nobody sent me products. Now there are people being paid to blog, like by IZEA. Virgin America took people on a flight to write about the new flights. People see the value in this world, and 9 years ago, they didn't have a clue in this world. What do you think of this trend?
- Louis Gray
Robert: What do you think of the corrosive effect of trust?
- Louis Gray
Mark: Why you see so many press releases and other brands like Google, Apple - there is a reason why PR got into social media and blogs, because 100% of their compensation comes from agency fees, not non-working dollars.
- Louis Gray
Louis: So you're the unpaid stenographer? LOL Nice!
- Sheryl
Mark: Every time I create an agency that looks like it is working media, that looks like agency fees are creeping. People who own brands and marketers out there is we need to change how we look at social media in general. You have to act differently, categorically.
- Louis Gray
Mark: I disagree with Kevin directly in terms of an advertiser not being someone you want to hear from.
- Louis Gray
Mark: I think that brands are going to understand how to act in a trustworthy way. The best thing a brand can do is solve customers' problems - providing a solution to a problem. Part of paying bloggers to do things is old behavior.
- Louis Gray
Jeremiah: Robert is paid to do blogging. So if he feels it is bad behavior...
- Louis Gray
Jeremiah: He doesn't promote his employer as much as some other bloggers, and he doesn't do sponsored posts. (Robert)
- Louis Gray
Jeremiah: Often I will write to bloggers or bigger Tweeters and their assistant will respond.
- Louis Gray
Jeremiah: We did research and asked consumers who they trust. 90% said "people like them". Under 10% trusted corporate blogs.
- Louis Gray
Mark: That's because they are operating like corporate blogs.
- Louis Gray
Kevin: How do you push back on Robert's brand? He is a person.
- Louis Gray
(Jeremiah says Robert is a brand and points to the Building 43 shirt)
- Louis Gray
Kevin: To call it a personal brand is to take away that person. He is trustworthy.
- Louis Gray
Mark: The best brands act like people. If you take a look at corporate brands, a company like Foster Farms... how many of you know about Ron Foster? It is an amazing company with homespun, human values. I want to be part of that family. There is a personal side of the brand that a lot of companies have. People come in with passion for the brand, like JetBlue, Comcast, etc.
- Louis Gray
Mark: The more that brands can act like people on Twitter, it personalizes that.
- Louis Gray
Kevin: When you go to Google you are querying a machine and asking for a machine response. On Twitter, you want a human response. If you get an automated response...
- Louis Gray
Kevin: When you type something into Twitter it is a very different thing. You are expressing emotion, and you are joining a human conversation. If you speak in a tacky way, they will respond in a tacky way.
- Louis Gray
Kevin: It is the inversion of a call center - where people are turned into machines. Social sites like Twitter say to be human and respond to these people.
- Louis Gray
Kevin: A lot of this is rethinking it and can we make it more personal, a source of emotional signals for things that you care about.
- Louis Gray
Mark: An emotional thing where brands can live.
- Louis Gray
Jeremiah: How many of you paid a blogger or gave them a product, or took them on a trip or gave them money or a gift certificate? (Five hands in the room go up)
- Louis Gray
Jeremiah: This is happening all throughout media in the history of the industry. This is something that at Forrester, we think is okay to do, so long as it is transparent, and the editorial is authentic. However, most brands are insensitive to it.
- Louis Gray
Robert: I was at a HP event where they brought out a new printer, and they had a Twitter search, and they seeded PR people to add to the stream with positive tweets. We were pretty adept at finding the seeding.
- Louis Gray
Mark: did you call BS on it?
- Louis Gray
Robert: I just did. We also didn't quite figure it out until just after, when we were comparing notes.
- Louis Gray
Mark: It's a headfake. A lot of the time is to be found by the search engines. I agree there are a lot of social filters we are looking for because the algorithm is coming up short.
- Louis Gray
Kevin: The bloggers publish a lot and they link a lot, and it can be problematic. If you search for me, you will only find me. There are other Kevin Marks.
- Louis Gray
Robert: I am the #2 Robert in the world, higher than Robert DeNiro and Robert Kennedy. Google is our new reality.
- Louis Gray
Mark: That's the new reality. What's the oldest tool humans have ever used? An axe? If you search for Axe on Google, you will get the Axe brand and on images, it will be Axe imagery. They have taken over that world, by impacting social media, and redefining that word. That's their reality.
- Louis Gray
Audience member: Wikiality - the reality that we believe in. If enough of us make the suggestions in Google, it becomes the reality and it is an important concept.
- Louis Gray
Audience member 2: To Kevin - I don't hear your accent when you blog. But this doesn't work unless the average schlub is participating in this conversation. There is an asynchronous set of assumption of expectations. How do we balance that out because people engage enthusiastically for their own reasons, not to schill for their brand.
- Louis Gray
Kevin: By the way marketing guys, all this standard stuff like the press release is going to look old.
- Louis Gray
Kevin: When Michael Jackson dies, what you see is emotional outpouring of your friends, not the media's interpretation of that.
- Louis Gray
Robert: The person who took the best photo in Iran took that photo and was in FriendFeed a few hours later, talking about it. Now they are in jail. I have never had a conversation with a Pulitzer Prize award winner who was in an event like that.
- Louis Gray
Robert: There was somebody on Twitter who had a conversation with the doctor of Neda. We can participate in the news without having to go through filters and media.
- Louis Gray
Robert: Now the PR people can talk directly to us, like through Techmeme, instead of through Walt Mossberg.
- Louis Gray
Mark: There are a lot of things that marketing will do that won't have a compelling event. There's nothing like the brief that says, "make it viral". It's bad.
- Louis Gray
Mark: We are trying to take a potential for relevance. We know events will happen, like holidays and an election, which brands can anticipate.
- Louis Gray
Mark: Part of what we are doing is trying to gain potential for relevance.
- Louis Gray
Mark: Part of what we are doing with microformatting and social media spaces is the potential to become relevant, and be driven by demand.
- Louis Gray
(Jeremiah looking down at his cell phone)
- Louis Gray
Kevin: If you think of organic growth, and how that works, there are strategies to spread information in different ways. The plant has a seed that turns into something tasty that you can carry around and put somewhere else. What if you have a message that people will want to give to their friends?
- Louis Gray
Kevin: What kind of campaign am I doing. Am I trying to nurture something that will grow?
- Louis Gray
Audience Member: What about Verizon talking to the New York Times talking about customers? What about using real word of mouth conversations by consumers from forums?
- Louis Gray
Robert: One of my favorite bloggers, Steve Rubel, is getting out of blogging and will be doing lifestream.
- Louis Gray
Kevin: Back in 2001-02, blogs are what we had. I could post it to the Web and get comments.
- Louis Gray
Kevin: What happens is those practices have now spread out and are going to other places. The idea of activity streams is a unique one, and you can see that in Twitter.
- Louis Gray
Kevin: There is this idea of I am doing something, and I want it to flow somewhere else. It is the same practice as blogging, but it is now something else. The point is that if you want to think about network architecture, a lot of people assumed it was more download than upload, and they got it backwards.
- Louis Gray
Kevin: We are now shifting to where we upload more than we download. You can take photos with things in your pocket. You can send up more than you can download.
- Louis Gray
Robert: YouTube has said mobile uploads have increased 400% in the last 7 days, thanks to the new iPhone 3GS.
- Louis Gray
I've gotten approached a few times to do paid blog posts (haven't yet - will disclose if I ever do)
- Jesse Stay
Robert: The marketing of the future will have to create events that capture distribution. Obama's inauguration almost took down the Internet.
- Louis Gray
Robert: Obama's inauguration was a video event, where people were streaming live video over the Internet. In contrast, Twitter and Michael Jackson is only 10 Gigs a day.
- Louis Gray
Mark: When we set up Twitter accounts for our client, not all followers are equal. Some have super influence. If you do set up a Twitter and Facebook class, consider a concierge class, and shine light on someone who will speak passionately.
- Louis Gray
Mark: The @ Sign and DMs are very important for communication and a back channel.
- Louis Gray
Mark: With 10 people, we reached a million and got 1,000 responses, from fans that have super influence and a high affinity for you, who will come to your aid if a brand is under attack.
- Louis Gray
This whole blogging thing has gotten me thinking like a marketer quite often. Before I figured marketing was just a career I wasn't interested in and had little to do with. Now I know the rudiments of online marketing and actively use them to better engage my desired audience.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Mark: We have a lot of brands on auto-follow, which is fine. We couldn't do it in e-mail before. We never knew what would happen, but now we can see that in real time.
- Louis Gray
So I see a post like this and I'm thinking "pfft, marketing" and then I remember "oh yeah, Marketing!" and so I'm still reading.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Robert: You could see the spread with a Web bug in email, but you could never get the emotion in an e-mail.
- Louis Gray
Kevin: My job is not to be an evangelist, it's to be a product advocate. That was a very deliberate choice.
- Louis Gray
Kevin: I need to get a sense of what is going on, and gain a message to convey for a complex set of standards, and can I explain it.
- Louis Gray
(Audience member asks Mark about the social aspect of Foster Farms)
- Louis Gray
Mark: You'll see. The brand people, PR people, IT people are involved... everything takes longer as a result. We will be expressing the human side of the brand, and like Forrester said, how people go to people.
- Louis Gray
Mark: We heard from moms how that would change their perception. A brand is a premium between commodity, and through emotion, a fair price that a marketer needs to earn.
- Louis Gray
(Follow-up: How do you get conversations that are valid, not a stunt)
- Louis Gray
Mark: We came up with a communication strategy that will add value to the moms. We can create an impact that is significant that will happen right at grocery. They are trying to understand the effect, not just impression and buzz. How can they effect sales?
- Louis Gray
I'd imagine "valid" conversations involve some sort of threading or aggregation so individual commenters can see and respond to one another. In other words, FF threads over tweets flying past each other unknowingly.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Robert: I just interviewed Gary V of WineLibrary TV. They were not going to grow their local market much more, so he started to do the video show. He creates the need in your head for a product that you didn't know you wanted. He has a social network, where you can argue, is he telling you the truth?
- Louis Gray
Mark: Most marketers should follow Gary just to learn about marketing. He can drive nuggets of what he does and why he does it.
- Louis Gray
Robert: TechCrunch is doing video with a lot of its posts now. Creating an experience that looks good on a flip cam is a different experience than creating text on a blog.
- Louis Gray
These are the perfect participants for this panel.
- Jesse Stay
(BTW - I am not getting every word and sentence. Call it live editing)
- Louis Gray
Audience Member: Social media has fundamentally changed marketing. But brands understand products and services, but they don't understand how products are used in the real world. Those companies that do social well use their own products.
- Louis Gray
Robert: The common thing I see between companies doing well in this space is that they have set up their whole system is to do something remarkable that is becoming social. You have the best service. (Examples: Zappos and Tiny Prints)
- Louis Gray
Robert: Zappos forces every new employee to Twitter. During your training period, you have to Twitter, so you can be empowered to represent your brand in public. The janitor is never ever going to talk about the company. Look at Apple! At Zappos, everybody can talk on behalf of the company.
- Louis Gray
Jeremiah: There is a danger at looking at what consumers say and having that drive your company, because that looks at the last three products - not the future. Tony at Zappos can do that with his company, but that's not going to happen at Hitachi.
- Louis Gray
Mark: I don't care if you have 10 people or 1,000 people, it is very hard to do that.
- Louis Gray
Jeremiah: If you build your product based on what Robert likes on his blog, then you make him happy, but it might not be smart.
- Louis Gray
Audience Member: If you look at FriendFeed, Robert is a very passionate user, but they cannot listen to him because he is different, and it hasn't yet crossed the chasm.
- Louis Gray
Audience Member: Sometimes the loudest user seems like the only user. We get a lot of mixed reviews, but there will be 200 reviews, and 1/3 are bad, not because it is a bad place, but because there aren't that many people reviewing. If you have a Google or YouTube, it is going to come out in the wash.
- Louis Gray
Mark: One of the big ideas we are bringing to our clients is to help facilitate our brand ambassadors. A lot of conversations can come to your Web site. How does a small company understand that in a world of hundreds of million dollar or billion dollar brands? In the long tail, somebody has built a blog post about it.
- Louis Gray
Robert: That's what I am doing with Building 43: Is trying to reach out to businesses that are not embedded in the social Web yet.
- Louis Gray
Kevin: There's also the problem of knowing somebody I can trust. The two paths that are coming are geographical filtering, and through friends. How can you get recommendations from people you actually trust?
- Louis Gray
Kevin: If you look at things that are easy for people to understand. (Example: FourSquare) You get points for saying you are at places. There is this idea of rewarding people for making social actions, to learn where their friends are.
- Louis Gray
Jeremiah: You should be searching for people who have a certain lifestyle. (Fish where the fish are)
- Louis Gray
Audience member: If you want to be relevant, your brand needs to provide value. The biggest mistake people are making is that they are pushing their brand and not adding value, but they are not engaging.
- Louis Gray
Jeremiah: If your restaurant set up all the events on Upcoming, you will be associated with it.
- Louis Gray
Mark: The best thing you can do is set yourself up to be the best friend of the user.
- Louis Gray
Robert: There is a taco truck in LA that tweets its location on Twitter and sells out every single day.
- Louis Gray
Audience member: I do my research on Twitter because I don't want to go to Google and find dead links or outdated links.
- Louis Gray
Robert: Have a sign in your store and say, "Are you a Twitter user?" Everybody is going to follow you who you tweet about. They are going to see that in their Twitter and their referral logs.
- Louis Gray
Mark: Your @ and Your /name is the new dotcom. I think you can do the @ and let the insiders know you are out there. Businesses have to learn how to do that.
- Louis Gray
Audience member: Do you know examples of B2B and partnering space that have had successes?
- Louis Gray
Jeremiah: Your trick at Cisco is to create marketing materials that are useful for your channel partners and sales force (interrupted by audience member)
- Louis Gray
Kevin: If you have a set of information, get people to respond to that. You need someone who can provide the expertise to the channel.
- Louis Gray
*Panel concludes*
- Louis Gray
Good work Louis!
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Mark Evans: The next event in August will be about why Marketing and PR suck with Guy Kawasaki, Scoble.... oh ... Louis Gray too. :)
- Louis Gray
Louis Gray? That name's familiar...
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Pretty hard to hide in the back of the room when the entire panel is on FriendFeed. :-)
- Jesse Stay
Thanks for covering this. It was an interesting read. Parts of the discussion reminded me of that Mark Zuckerberg interview by Sarah Lacy. That was the first moment I realized that we (the internet users that have been posting to forums, blogs, etc. for years) can no longer sit back and passively consume information. We expect the freedom to speak up and have been conditioned to believe...
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- Chip Ramsey
Louis: great notes! Thanks for doing that.
- Robert Scoble
Really great job live friendfeeding. that's the first time I've ever said that. "Live friendfeeding"
- Jeremiah Owyang
Thanks Robert and Jeremiah for participating in the panel and commenting here. FriendFeed is a great tool for live blogging, and very flexible. Note I took this thread and posted it to louisgray.com as well when completed.
- Louis Gray
Interesting thoughts - - I wrote about Marketing 2.0 some time ago here: http://www.societal-web.com/blog...
- William Buist
Louis - thank you for doing this "live friendfeeding." Great to finally meet you in person last night and look forward to you being on the panel in August.
- Bill Sanders
Thanks for doing these great notes, Louis - I should take Jeremiah's advice and blog more myself
- Kevin Marks
blogging as we know it is dying...it's evolving to be a bigger value chain of activities...
- John Furrier
Louis: Thank you so much for coming out last night! And, WOW! thank you for taking incredible event notes.
- Mark Evans
Great "FriendFeed Casting" thread by @Louis Gray of Am.Marketing Association event panel incl. @JOwyang @Scobleizer
- Alex Schleber
3D printing from Shapeways
Kamilah Gill, Steve Garfield, Susan Beebe and 8 other people liked this
This bowl was made by a user of Shapeways which let's you "print" 3D objects. Really cool way to print out physical objects. http://www.shapeways.com
- Robert Scoble
from email
Scary!
- Mona Nomura
Isn't this just rapid prototyping or something new? I've seen 3D printers before
- Mo Kargas
Welcome to the future!!
- Seth Greenblatt
That image is a little disturbing... reminds me of 3d ultra sounds for babies.
- TheSleepyGeek
Oh Yeah! Kool-Aid 3D guy
- Andrew Smith
hahahhahaha Andrew!!
- Mona Nomura
I am getting a demo of something that will addict me much more than friendfeed in 2009. This is NOT good.
Nikpay, Jordi Soler, Russellreno and 65 other people liked this
I was waiting for something like that to come along. Something to replace FriendFeed for you?
- Mark Trapp
You tease.
- Steve Isaacs
Care to share what that might be?
- Michael Krigsman
Whatever it is must be seriously good.
- Gordon Saunders
What is that???
- Palak Mathur
I can't talk for a few weeks. But you will be addicted. I guarantee that.
- Robert Scoble
Wake me up when you're not embargoed.
- Akiva Moskovitz
And it doesn't replace twitter or friendfeed.
- Robert Scoble
What is it? Give us the scoop
- streetforce1
Do tell. Wow, it's not even out yet and I'm getting addicted to it. You're right!
- Melik Yuksel
Interesting, no hints even
- Andrew Windham
tease
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
@Robert - will it do my laundry for me? AND fold it?
- Andy Sternberg
Uh oh. Do we need another intervention?!
- Daynah
By the way @god is in charge of the beta invites. So, you better follow God. Also MC Hammer is standing with me right now. He has a few invites to hand out soon too. @mchammer (say hi).
- Robert Scoble
Oy. As long as the addiction starts in mid-Feb, I'm game.
- Tamar Weinberg
I already know I'm not going to like it
- Bwana ☠
Spill it Scoble!
- Mike Flynn
Not the Hair-Ron?
- Christopher Harley
Hammer gave you crack?
- Andrew Smith
Is it bigger than a breadbox? Bigger than a Subaru?
- Rob Schieber
Mike: @god said I would go to hell if I broke embargo. He also said that he new @techcrunch couldn't handle the temptation.
- Robert Scoble
I'm not religious, but I grew up in a Baptist household and am still hung up enough that I can't follow @god.
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
Don't tease us Scoble. Spill the beans! :)
- Bryan Lee
When is the video coming so we can all check it? can you tell who ever it is to make sure it works nice with Twitter and that they put together a few videos on 'how to' use it so we can pick it up without thinking. (OK, maybe i'm being pushy)
- frank barry
Uhhh ohhhh. Sounds disruptive.
- Eric Florenzano
Robert, please be so kind to notify us (or at least point it out) when it does become public. I would like to see if it lives up to what you say it is.
- Michael Forian
Did this one make you cry? :)
- Chris Johnson
Gist?
- B2B Specialist
So do you really think it will be an improvement upon friendfeed? or just different?
- lucinda
Not fair Robert! This is what leads to an "unfollowing" ;) Gemini's do not deal well with suspense!
- Glen Meyburgh
Quick ... does anyone know any reverse psychology?
- Richard Filing
Well, if you move to it, I'll have to start tracking it, damn, one more service.
- Alex Wilhelm (FF BLOWS)
Michael: yeah, of course I'll let you know when it's out. Chris, no, this one didn't make me cry. I feel more like a crack addict who just got shown a new drug. I can't resist.
- Robert Scoble
The gist? I don't want to anger @god -- he might not let me onto the beta. So far there are 50 people on it, and the addiction scales are off the charts.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: Nothing wrong with tech crack :) Looking forward to hearing what it is.
- Chris Johnson
Is that even possible, Scoble? How much room do you have for addictions?
- Logan Leger
"You can't touch this....until...???"
- Dennis Goedegebuure
Per MForian, maybe create a hashtag for this one so we know when it's real and can peg it back to this post. There's an old riddle: "how do you keep a moron in suspence for 24-hours?" answer: "tell you tomorrow."
- mark silva
Don't tell me its about World Wide Telescope again. After your hype (you said you were in tears), eventually it turned out to be a duh moment for me. http://scobleizer.com/2008...
- Puneet Thapliyal
Puneet: no, this is far more real-time-web and addicting than anything Microsoft could do.
- Robert Scoble
damn Robert! NOW am really intrigued. Pray tell..
- Asfaq
It's BaconFeed.
- Mitch Wagner
Mitch: you have no idea how close you are. Mona will be one of the first addicts. So will Louis. My brother will probably call it lame.
- Robert Scoble
..what everyone wants to know is...did it make you cry? haha...
- Lee Hsieh
Sounds like a cult - just curious - is this the same guy Loren talked to?
- Jesse Stay
So it's addictive, doesn't replace twitter nor friendfeed, is it another social status publishing platform?
- Rida Al Barazi
lay of the smack ;)
- sofarsoShawn
Jesse: @god says that @1938media is not trustworthy but I agree that this new thing could be a cult (hey, is friendfeed a cult?). Rida: um, no.
- Robert Scoble
It's it just more addictive, or is it more useful as well? It's important to realize that there's a difference.
- Daniel Miessler
friendfeed is the begging to something very exciting and new. Real-time web.
- Steven (optionshiftk)
Daniel: hmmm, is Twitter or friendfeed useful? If you answer yes then you'll find this useful too.
- Robert Scoble
Steve: you mean IRC.. :p
- Asfaq
asfaq: IRC died a while ago(IM took over) The problem with IRC was it had a very simplistic and crude form of identity. Now way to track or follow. :)
- Steven (optionshiftk)
Will this help business or something that's fun only? How can I get on the list to get a beta invite? I can't imagine something being better than FriendFeed - is that really possible??
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
I think the line between fun and Business is shrinking. We already see this with corporations using twitter internally.
- Steven (optionshiftk)
Is it http://socialthing.com ?
- Gerardo Curiel
Gerardo: no. Come on, be serious. Jannifer: does Twitter help business? Does friendfeed? Does facebook?
- Robert Scoble
Scoble's found the stealth startup that's finally perfected teledildonics and is getting a demo!?!?
- Dossy Shiobara
Is it dancejam.com which mchammer is working on?
- Franz Sittampalam
from Nambu
I hope it's not another PeopleBrowsr
- Bwana ☠
I agree with Mitch. It's BaconFeed. Push a button on the screen, and bacon comes out the DVD drive. I can't wait! :D
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
Please don't bring it up if you can't talk about it. Not cool.
- rowlikeagirl
This really isn't good. I already spend more time than should be allotted on FriendFeed. =[
- deepikaur
Can't wait to hear about it, Robert. I love shiny-shinies - a bit of a beta testing addict here :)
- Renee Hendricks
Does this mean you'll abandon the teat of the FF suckle, and move onto something more personal?
- Mike Shields
Suspense is killing me...
- Jordi Soler
@god has protected his twitter updates !! pls teach him to play this game !! addiction is killing me !! ,,, need a beta invite dosis, lol !
- Rocky
You're right. This is soooo cool. They didn't swear ME to secrecy. Is it still under wraps and they forgot to tell me?
- Internet Strategist
What about "Tweet of the Year?" James Karl Buck, the grad student Tweeted: "ARRESTED." http://www.cnn.com/2008... - Chris Baskind recommended that.
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obviously
- catepol
That's how I'll remember 2008. :)
- Daynah
"In November, even if still alive, I'll lose contact with Earth due to Solar Conjunction--when Earth and Mars are on opposite sides of Sun." by MarsPhoenix
- scott anderson
That was a huge moment in twitter history
- Susan Beebe
I have to go with the "ARRESTED" tweet. The way that tweet set so many people in motion to ultimately get him help - incredible.
- Shawn Farner
totally agreed. should sweep shorties, tweet of year, etc. here's a tweet of mine from earlier this week when biz stone told that story: @biz presentation was a lot about real time events where we naturally bond. we leave behind the "me" & act "we" during peak twitter moments.
- mark silva
yeah, that's a great story
- karl
Sorry but this one trumps them all http://friendfeed.com/e...
- Mark Krynsky
Photo: Motrin and Kmart - http://www.web-strategist.com/blog...
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Very memey!
- Sue Radd
I'm interviewing @timoreilly this afternoon. The guy who came up with "Web 2.0." Leave what you'd like me to ask here:
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He runs O'Reilly publishing which does tons of geek books, tons of conferences from the Web 2.0 Summit to Maker Faire, and lots more. His blog is here: http://radar.oreilly.com/tim/
- Robert Scoble
Ask him what we had before Web 2.0. Was it like, 1.9.3? How much of an upgrade was made? I guess that's three questions....
- Mike Shields
What comes after Web 2.0? Or to rephrase, What is Web 3.0?
- Pierre
Mike, I can answer that without asking him. The first web, from 1994 through about 2000, was about getting yourself or your company onto the Web. Getting a URL. Making a page, or a set of pages. Being presentable. The second web, from 2000, through today, was about adding people and interactivity to those sites. The third web, which started in 2006, is about getting rid of the page all together. Mashups. Live web, like on FriendFeed or TwitterVision.com, and symantec web.
- Robert Scoble
Is the future here yet, or does it remain unevenly distributed? i.e. will some get Web 3.0 while others are still on Web 1.0? If so, what effect will that have? Okay that's three questions, too.
- Donald H Taylor
Spencer: sounds good. Web 2.0, for me, was about adding people and interactivity to web pages. That's HUGE for business. Who wants to do business with a faceless corporation? And who wants to have to refresh their web pages to fill out forms and get information?
- Robert Scoble
Good idea. Could you ask him: - His predictions for 2009; what´s his top 3 of new developments, new growth areas and failures the followiung year - Will he deliver an iPhone App with access to all books, or, maybe even better, give the iPhone App Stanza access to all his books ? If not, why not ? - Does he think there room between Twitter and Friendfeed for a, say, easier, more...
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- peter huesken
When will "web 3.0" come? What is significant for this new phase? Could it be the third "monitor"? 1st TV, 2nd computer, 3rd mobile with camera so you could take photos of tags and always be ready to get information through GPS and other features.
- Martin Lindeskog
Robert I have to disagree, I think mashups including Friendfeed are still part of Web 2.0 or maybe 2.x. Increased user involvement, community driven websites, and a mix of services are still characteristics of Web 2.0. Web 3.0 will be a much bigger step forward.
- Bhavishya Kanjhan
Martin: the third wave has already started, but we'll definitely talk about what's happening now. Certainly mobile fits into that. Location awareness. Presence and status awareness. Real-time web. Video. And mashups (there's a new service/tool coming Monday that's pretty wild, by the way).
- Robert Scoble
How will the Web evolve to help us better filter useful information from the information overload currently on the internet? Search? Social Media? Something else?
- Dobes Vandermeer
Web 2.0 has become a revolution - it would be great to know if user generated content will improve in quality and credibility as more people take to it, or will the quality drop?
- Harish
Bhavishya: hmm, well, here's where we get into trouble with using version numbers. One wave morphs into the next wave, it isn't a binary thing (it doesn't just "appear" one day). The mashups I'm seeing coming next year are quite wild and aren't ANYTHING like what we were thinking about when people started talking about Web 2.0.
- Robert Scoble
Harish: good question. I see the quality of user generated content increasing a lot once you can see some social capital behind the participation. Ask yourself, why is the participation here on FriendFeed so good? My answer: because there are very real social consequences for being an asshole here.
- Robert Scoble
What business idea does Tim think would be a good web start up in a recession?
- Kevin
i'd actually like to talk about web2.5--the innovations and corrections/tuning on 2.0 laying the groundwork for 3.0. and are we there?
- mark silva
What are Tim's thoughts on Enterprise 2.0? Will it be as big as Web 2.0? Rationale? (This question is valid for Tim because E2.0 was derived from W2.0)
- Chintan Zaveri
Spencer: I see smartphones drastically reducing the cost of getting information. This certainly will be true of the third world which doesn't have good computing infrastructure, but where tons of people have cell phones.
- Robert Scoble
What could be the impact of the Obama administration on the web? Will the economic conditions change fundamentally? And - maybe a default subject - has he some advice for the newspaper industry? - After all he is a successful print and web publisher.
- Heinz Wittenbrink
from twhirl
Kevin, Chintan: good questions. It's interesting that I got to know Tim during the last downturn.
- Robert Scoble
Well what about privacy? You talk about location awareness, status awareness, data being moved around in mashups, etc.
- Pierre
hey robert, thought it was interesting how guy kawasaki promoted twitter--even more than his book or alltop--in your recent interview. can we learn what o'reilly's hot about (he posted recently about ceo tweeting, for instance, but what else?) and what he prefers, friendfeed or twitter.
- mark silva
Pierre: awesome question too, but we all know privacy is dead. Want to see my medical records or credit card statement? We're getting pretty close to sharing even those things because there's some value that comes back to us if we do (ala mint.com or google's health services).
- Robert Scoble
mark: Tim is a Twitter guy. I rarely see him show up here on FriendFeed. We will definitely talk about microblogging and the real-time web.
- Robert Scoble
In the thinking stages, did he imagine Web 2.0 would evolve in the way that it has? If so, is he happy with the progress? What would he have changed?
- Shevonne
Ask him about XBRL. It was mandated by the SEC this week. What does it mean. Is he interested. He'll have an interesting viewpoint, I'm sure.
- Dominic Jones
from twhirl
The question that I would like to ask would be if Web 1.0 was representative of a technological shift, and Web 2.0 was representative of a social shift, what revolutionary change will instigate the next big shift on the Internet? Place of interaction perhaps?
- TheLovableRogue
I think you should ask, How does Web 3.0 enhances Web 2.0?
- Michael Fidler
from twhirl
Dominic: this is why I ask you all for feedback on interviews. I would never have thought to ask about XBRL. Thanks!
- Robert Scoble
Robert - this (pre-interview brainstorming) is a great idea , which I shamelessly plan to steal and reuse myself.
- Donald H Taylor
If it'll be 3.0, don't look at me, anyway what'll be paper 2.0 and tv 2.0? Thanks
- Daniele Beta
Ask about Kindle ebook platform. Ask about ebooks overall as well.
- Mark Rauterkus
Ask about costs. Costs of paper, production, shipping, HR, research, time, returns, damaged goods, and other 'sinks.' How are they being avoided / reduced.
- Mark Rauterkus
Robert you can ask him how the symantec web is going to influence the search engine economy? Do we have to redefine the term "web search" for web 3.0? Are the huge companies like Google, Yahoo etc ready for the symantec web or for the next generation of the web overall?
- Kivanc Toker
Ask him about istant web evolution and less great content published? I mean short content versus long old blog post !
- Christian
Suggestions to counter "Information overwhelming" on Web, Next era of filters, tools, techs capable to summarize loads of information adapting user preferences likes/dislikes from activity streams.
- Ali Sohani
Given the recession at hand, how can Web 2.0+ and beyond help people and enterprises to reduce costs?
- Neill Adamson
When will Enterprise 2.0 and Web 2.0 merge, when the business world "becomes one" with the consumer world through onlince social tools?
- Zach Berg
Ok, then who decided what you state above? Did he also come up with 3.0? Your answer is generating more questions, and I'd like to hear his answers to the first ones, actually....
- Mike Shields
does he regret coming up with that term? and the what is next? surely not 3.0 maybe web 2.1 beta :p
- Darren Stuart
Some random questions: - SaaS or Open Source? - According to Tim, which are the top 10 Web 2.0 technologies (Microblogging, Mashups, Blogs, Wikis, RSS, ... ) suitable for adoption in an organization for improving their capability - Open Source companies will earn "significantly" better revenues in 2009 than 2008. True or False? - Thoughts on Social Media versus Knowledge Management
- Chintan Zaveri
I tweeted him a question about preservation and the fact that little of the Web 2.0 world is being preserved. Are we moving through a historical black hole when no one will be able to follow some important thinkers because all that they wrote from 1997-2008 will be lost?
- Todd Carpenter
Another question related to "information overload" (and not to get too geeky for NPR, but): What are his thoughts about the future of semantics on the web and could that be the next gen on the internet?
- Todd Carpenter
Todd: that's a real problem, the first two years of my blog are gone. But even worse is that Twitter is a black hole. Quick, pull out all conversations about the Chinese Earthquake that happened in the first three hours after the earthquake happened. You can't. That's even worse. The data is there, we can't get to it.
- Robert Scoble
Ask him about consolidation. People generally use a wide variety of different web sites for different purposes (google/wikipedia/flickr/FB/amazon/etc) , each with its own user interface and idiosyncrasies. Does the fact that information should flow more freely in the future mean that we may see the birth of mega sites, which aggregate all this data, and allow much higher levels of interoperability and integration. Thanks
- David Semeria
Todd: Have you seen Clay Shirky´s It's Not Information Overload. It's Filter Failure ? http://web2expo.blip.tv/file...
- peter huesken
Robert: If the data is there it's just an issue of focus and worry about scale. If the data is replicated and caches (shouldn't change right :) ) all would be well just takes dev time which they don't have.
- Ben Hedrington
They should contribute all old tweets to Archive.org! Now that's an idea. It's history right?
- Ben Hedrington
Where does Assurance and Permanence live in this model. I built iForem to capture source + object to be saved for generations. The core is a legal trust that will insure the commodity services of the net will be supplied and the service maintained, Without some trust or real sustainable archive what good is much of the content we create for ourselves or others. Where is a TRUE digital time capsule so to speak?
- stephen pieraldi
Ask him if he found a service for website referral analytics? If yes...which and why he chose that?
- Andrea Vascellari
Ask him about the Safari books service. Any plans to make the site truly iPhone capable (a better mobile version of the site)? Right now the iPhone app is just a glorified PDF viewer.
- Shazron Abdullah
Ask him how he thinks history would have been different if Hitler and Mother Theresa had lived in a time of facebook/twitter/friendfeed.
- Tim Connors
I'm pretty sure it wasn't Tim O'Reilly who coined the term "web 2.0", but Dale Dougherty - albeit while in conversation with O'Reilly. http://www.oreillynet.com/pub...
- carl morris
@Robert, you did it again! You called privacy dead ;-) It isn't. Priviacy is ust distributed unevenly, and yes you are in that post too : http://vanelsas.wordpress.com/2009...
- Alexander van Elsas
Start-Up Founders: Take Your Spouse on a Date - Bits Blog - NYTimes.com - http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2008...
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"Web entrepreneurs who refer to their start-ups as their second family, take note: Friday is the second annual Spouse 2.0 Day, dedicated to the significant others of start-up founders. To celebrate, founders are asked to buy their significant others a gift, then post to their blogs or Twitter streams about it, using the “Spouse 2.0″ tag. The stories will be collected on the project’s Web site. “Because of the long hours that traditionally come with running an Internet start-up business, everything else seems to get pushed aside, like friends, family,” said Ashley Angell, one of the event’s organizers. “When you’re sending e-mails from bed at 2 in the morning, which invariably all start-up founders do, they get neglected and put up with an awful lot of stuff.” Leaving the BlackBerry outside the bedroom is an option on Spouse 2.0 Day."
- Bret Taylor
from Bookmarklet
Karen: did you see this? :)
- Bret Taylor
My favorite is the second reader comment: "If your [sic] in a start-up and don’t have a significant other, then head over to my start-up, 100% free: http://www.sweetr.net to begin your search to find a partner!"
- Ana
Abby should take Ivan out since he watched the kid while she was out pitching tipjoy: http://ourdoings.com/ourdoin...
- Bruce Lewis
from fftogo
@bruce - heh.
- Ivan Kirigin
This is ridicu.... it's 1:18am and I'm still on the computer. G'nite.
- Jason Shellen
Advertising age talks about the tough times for "Web startups" http://adage.com/digital...
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Tough time for advertisers too
- adolfo foronda
jeremiah, not sure i you caught this awesome, PG-13-rated post by dave mcclure a few days ago: http://500hats.typepad.com/500blog...
- mark silva
It's very important you see this post from @jbernoff showing changes in social technographics from 07-08 http://blogs.forrester.com/grounds...
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Inactives have shrunk to 25%, (from 44%) this means 3/4 of US participates or consumes social media
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Watching my friendfeed room in realtime https://friendfeed.com/account...
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best thing to do it open it in Chrome and create an Application Shortcut. Then it stands alone as a FF client app :)
- Steven Livingstone-Pérez
from twhirl
Or you can just create a bookmark (properties - load in sidebar); then you have it all in 1 view with the real time loaded on the left; other stuff in main view. See example here --> http://www.flickr.com/photos...
- Susan Beebe
I've actually went off using it already. It looked good but it is very hard to your data flow - Twihrl groups stuff so it's easy to see.
- Steven Livingstone-Pérez
FriendFeed has become like an IRC-client. Not sure if I like that either.
- Vincent van Wylick
louis gray on ff-realtime v twitter: http://www.louisgray.com/live...
- mark silva
My FriendFeed presentation from MIT/Stanford Venture Lab - http://bret.appspot.com/entry...
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Apparently my blogging rate is inversely proportional to FriendFeed's growth rate - I am going to try to improve that so Louis doesn't make fun of my blog's lack of posts at every FriendFeed open house :) No promises, though - source code seems to flow better for me than prose most of the time...
- Bret Taylor
Same here. I stopped blogging since May. What about writing an AI app to automatically blog for you? :P
- imabonehead
I like the model of start-ups that the way to get them to be popular is just to stick with them. (Maybe I got this formulation from Paul Graham.) I'm not sure that's meaningful, but at least it's prescriptive.
- j1m
Thanks for any and all shares, Bret. Love to see. I really hope at some point the team feels comfortable to talk nuts and bolts architecture, so we can learn and provide great products like you do. I think you could do the equivalent good of a Jesse James Garrett, talking even in the abstract about what a modern architecture means.
- Christopher Galtenberg
congratulations on all the value creation. nice hockey stick on growth. you've got a unique view of socialweb services, including when adoption gets traction. would love to look at analytics from your data exhaust, if you're not comfortable showing direct numbers.
- mark silva
Now, have I _ever_ really mocked your blog for a lack of posts? I don't remember that. But retroactively, maybe I should have. :-)
- Louis Gray
How this goes Mainstream - Geoffrey Moore type focus - is, as you note (along with monetization) the key question(s)
- Alex Hammer
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