What's even more 'douchebag' is when a Hummer takes up more than one parking space. - TDavid
There was a time in my youth where taking up two or three spaces might have gotten all the trash from my car dumped on your car. Especially if you had a truck bed. I've out grown that, but I still hate when people do it. - Brian Norwood
So damn true. They're also the first ones to complain about gas prices. - ::Kristen::
There's got to be 1% for HMMV aficianados, I'd take an H1 running on biodiesel - clarke thomas
People who drive hummers are "compensating" for certain inadequacies. - Jason Shultz via twhirl
the H2 has terrible interior cabin space too. it's one of the most cramped cars i've ever sat in.. it was my former boss's car. - Morgan
a HMMV shouldn't be on pavement unless it's overtaking a nation/city - clarke thomas
Wow, good call! This is made of pure epic win. - Eric Martindale
per our discussion last night as much as i love eddie v, he seems pretty useless for most of this song. Lead singers w/o instruments are left with little to do when the rock gods are jamming. He stumbles around, drinks wine from the bottle and then finally destroys the mikestand. - hunter walk
Quite interesting, some valid points. But after all of this, one question nags at me, Marshall.
Who is "Punkin' the Tabby Kitten"? Or are you saying that there's a specific tabby kitten you're fond of punking? - tinu via FriendFeed MT Plugin
I really like this post.
My thoughts: does "god" have a gender? i don't think the semantic web will have one either...after...all. (shrug) - Briana Franco via FriendFeed MT Plugin
Hi Marshall. This is an amazing and very important post. Here`s my take. If the semantic web is created purely on the W3C vision as a set of standard objective ontologies like the taxonomy of the library of congress with the goal of machine intelligence - then I agree that it could take on a gender biased personality.
However, I don`t think the semantic web will end up being created like that. I think ultimately the semantic web that does develop will have the goal of augmenting human intelligence as much as or more than machines. What this means is that your semantic web will be different than mine - reflecting your interests and perspective. In this vision, where the semantic web functions as your personal agent - objective meaning will take on more of the subjective perspective of the user and hence just like in real world society the semantic web will retain both male and female perspectives of the world. - Adam Lindemann
This is why librarianship - a traditionally gendered profession (female) - is so important to the creation and continued development of the Semantic Web. After all, it is librarians who continue to challenge the racist/sexist/xenophobic classifications that still exist in the Dewey Decimal System (and, to a lesser degree, the Library of Congress Classification System). - Cecily Walker
Great post Marshall!
Hearkens me back to even deeper feminist thinking about representation itself as a gendered practice...making meaning has largely been a "male" endeavor, and yet, meaning has never been completely contained nor controlled by the masculine.
As the commenter above alludes to in his intentional (mis)reading of novels, making meaning can flow outside the machines that attempt to produce meaning in certain ways, for certain ends.
The semantic web will offer new opportunities to produce meanings to control/define and to subvert meanings to elude/stretch/warp/redefine. - Nate Angell via FriendFeed MT Plugin
Excellent post Marshall. Thanks for shedding light on this because I never really thought about it in terms of the development of the Semantic Web. This is an important issue and the work of Corinna Bath matters to ensure these discussions take place as the Semantic Web develops. The example of the phone book is a great example of gender bias as is the examples provided by Cecily Walker.
And I thought feminism was dead! Glad to see that it is alive and well.
I also think that Adam makes a good point and it will be very interesting to see how it evolves.
Once again, excellent post! - Miiko Mentz via FriendFeed MT Plugin
@mediachick's fantastic StumbleUpon summary of this post: mediaChick71 - "So is it a boy or a girl?" As the best brains in the tech industry take us from html markups to a semantic web, one woman is making the rounds to remind them that gender assumptions have no place in domain knowledge. Corinna Bath is an academic researcher from Austria who brings up some critical issues about out-dated relationship definitions that may inadvertently make their way into tagging modalities. This is a very interesting look into the future of the web 3.0 and the influence of the society that builds it. - Marshall Kirkpatrick
gender is codified in many languages, and the semantic web will be based on machine-readable elements whose final product will be in language.
female ideas and male ideas can come from any gender. this article doesn't go deep enough. is that because it was written be a man?
hard to escape gender in this world, even for those who don't see it as very important. - Gregory Lent via FriendFeed MT Plugin
On a more serious side...
www.Cosmopolitan.com was most probably built by men, on software coded by men. Possibly fat, bald, geek men.
Could you tell?
I think this is a very good post only because it is thought provoking and brings a fresh perspective on the table, but the question itself is quite pointless.
C'mon. Genre is determined by genes and is relevant to sexuality. I don't see the semantic web or any electronic device for the matter mating anytime soon.
And any perspective introduced by developers will be buried deep below layers of content and social interaction. - Aldo Bucchi via FriendFeed MT Plugin
Aldo you have a point, but many websites - especially large ones that are built by agencies - have teams of user experience experts who work alongside developers. It's the UX and Information Architects who build out site navigation, and most (not all) UX/IA folks test taxonomies before committing final versions to the website. If you test with your intended audience, the taxonomies map to their brains better than if you didn't test and used your own perspective. - Cecily Walker
Interestingly enough, women are well represented in the Human Computer Interaction/IA/UX discipline. In fact, many computer science students call HCI "CS for Girls" because HCI programs don't usually include many of the "hard" CS courses (programming, application development) and focus more on psychology, cognitive behavior, and interaction design. - Cecily Walker
What a load of blather. Male geeks aren't very good at thinking like non-male non-geeks - this is not news. But declaring dramatically in this way that "the Semantic Web may end up being gender biased" is making a storm in a teacup. The phone book "example" is clearly not relevant to today's situation. By the way, regarding the phrase "Some argue that..." sorry, but over on Wikipedia we call those weasel words. - Earle Martin
Also, from the linked interview: "Alison Adam analyzed the well-known ontology CYC... She revealed that the knowing subject implicitly assumed by the system is a white, middle-class male professional." Oh really. Check out this excerpt of a review of where she said it: http://muse.jhu.edu/login?uri=... - Earle Martin
In fact, Google Books has a preview of Adam's book. (http://books.google.co.uk/book...) Quote: "...the AI idea of search and goal seeking... harks back to Aristotelian notions of goals, and can also be seen in terms of the phallocentric urge to a unitary goal described by postmodernist thought." Give me a break! - Earle Martin
Or go the splinter cell way and distract him with an emoty bottle... then grab the coffe and hide in the shadows till he goes away. - Henk de Kruyff via twhirl
Just bat your eyes at him. Less violent and more effective. - Brian Norwood
just get a straw and suck some out of the cup when he's not looking. Even if you get caught it has to be so silly looking a person couldn't stay mad for long. - Bryan
“Chinese nationalism is so friggin' strong. Anytime I post something pollution-related, I get a bunch of pro-China comments (sometimes in Chinese) on my entry. #1, I don't even know these people. #2, who'd have ever thought that I'd be accused of being not pro-China enough? :)”
I've gotta say. As someone involved in the area - I am proud to (at least feel) one step ahead of the game. There is nothing out there I have ever felt as passionate about, apart from my baby, and I can't see the passion dwindling. - Zee at WeDoCreative
btw, which plugin allows for friendfeed comments directly on the blog? Or is that a Movable Type blog you've got there... Oh, no it's not. Which plugin is that? - Zee at WeDoCreative
strange - sure i have that installed but I'm not getting the ability to add comments directly on the blog which is awesome. Will look into it - cheers. - Zee at WeDoCreative
I'm a long-time PR and Public Affairs guy, but I'm far removed from any metropolitan areas. Very few of my long-time contacts and colleagues are even aware of what Web 2.0 or Social Media are, much less what they mean. They may have a LinkedIn or FaceBook account,but they see such tools as no more than toys. The practical applications of this stuff are beyond them still. I hope to gradually pull some out of their caves and into the light. - Bob Finch
You know what? I love that you emphasized how important building relationships is to what we do. Indeed it's public "relations." I've shared your blog with my students, and they're big fans (as am I). Keep us thinking ... - Rosanna Fiske
Good points. Social media is not just another channel for advertising - as in, take the old message and just post links to in online. It should be for really engaging customers and having a conversation with them. I think the real difficulty is a lot of corporations aren't truly interested in this - deep down, they want to preserve the one way exchange. - Jason Kaneshiro
Forgetting about the traffic ramifications, why would anyone think Digg is a better recommendation engine than FriendFeed? - Robert Seidman
well having not seen it in action yet, it's hard to know, but it's hard to look past this http://trends.google.com/websi... if digg can get it right, it could be very, very useful. - MG Siegler
Yup, I'm going to Digg some stuff now. - possible248
How long before FriendFeed or someone cleverly using its API builds a recommendation for everything? - Dan Kaplan
Digg is doomed. I think Digg, and Slashdot and the ilk have shown us the reality that crowds do not bring wisdom but tyranny and gamesmanship. Digg is a anti-MS, pro-Obama and conspiracy theory filled zone of the lowest common denominator. Slashdot jumped the same shark years ago and Wikipedia is the highest profile example of the sort of silliness that happens. FriendFeed / Twitter / Reader is better for me because it is a selected group of people I have chosen... not a mob. - Soulhuntre
@soulhuntre, so you don't think something like this will help digg combat staleness/repetitiveness? - MG Siegler
Yeah, cuz recommendation engines work so well on Netflix and Amazon. - Leo Laporte
What do you mean Leo? Netflix was wrong in recommending me A Fish called Wanda when I watched Lady in the Water? I mean, I do like movies about women in water, right? RIGHT? - Andru Edwards
I have never used a recommendation engine that actually worked - Grant
Digg is still useful imo. I love it. - john conroy
I used to look at Digg all the time. Then for some reason, I just got tired of it. But I go back to it when i want to research something. - Harry Myhre
From post: "Is information overload really anything more than a self-inflicted disease of the Valley? I doubt it. But to the extent it is, Facebook is far better poised to solve the problem than a startup like FriendFeed." - Hutch Carpenter
Of course... I only saw this on FriendFeed because I unsubscribed from Valleywag. - Louis Gray
the problem for me is that I have way too many "friends" on Facebook that I don't care about... but I guess Facebook could somehow implement a compatibility rating or something to weight recommendations - Rex Pechler via Alert Thingy
the problem with the article is that in in the end, it is nothing more than a "Facebook is better than FriendFeed" article. The author brings up some good points, but in the end fails to recognize the conversation that happens on FriendFeed. You can do conversation on the items that Facebook lets you import. - Michael Koby
@Michael We'll see which is easier: Facebook to add FF-esque features, or for FF to attract enough users to make it the place everyone goes because everyone else is already there. - Jason Kaneshiro
And where is the assumption that someone with thousands of friends is any more into "socializing" than the person with 50 friends? - Judi Sohn
hei. fake woman back in line. chocolate and coffee goes here first, basta. - Nicole Simon
lol. ok, Nicole, "real" women first. :) - adventureran
robert, yeah, we want to see them! :) - Timo Heuer
@judi yes, that is stupid. it does not take into account that people act on different levels. at the same time, somebody with 1k friends can be more socializing and happy than somebody with 50. @Ran ;) - Nicole Simon
I would tend to think there is a large distinction in this based on age. I find as I get older, I am working to establish and re-establish links with the community I have know over the years. Most of these are now mostly social rather than professional. - 2WheelTech
Stereotypes on a grand scale like this are lame. Everyone's different and unique. I've seen very social men and "all business" women as well... so this assessment is a fallacy as it's premise is completely unfounded (and doesn't match reality!) ha, there I said it - that writer needs to get out more!! - Susan Beebe
I'm a man, and I don't see how these things can be used for business. I'd have to convince all of my business contacts to join these sites first, which is more of a hassle than just dealing with them the "old fashioned" way. - Henrik W Lund via twhirl
Personally, I don't get how their numbers support their assumption. It seems like a big leap in logic, i.e. if you're a super connector, it must be for business rather than social reasons, or that women are less likely to connect for business. Who's to say a guy with more connections than Robert (is that possible?) isn't big into Battlestar Galatica fanfiction, the online art scene, or looking for love? - Amie Gillingham
I wouldn't say that I was all business, I don't socialise as much as I would if I were single but I still get involved when I can! - Joe Dawson via Alert Thingy
I just polluted the heck out of my "business" feed on Plaxo with blog posts, Flickr, Digg, Google Reader shared items, etc. That should force the issue. - Louis Gray
I see an awful lot of male marketers chatting like old ladies on Twitter - Prokofy Neva
I guess you're in the rare "really large group of friends" category, eh, Robert? You may be the charter member of that group! But I'm not sure I get that article... Isn't participation in a social network by definition "socialization"? It seems that it's the relationships you have with the people in the network that would determine whether its "social" or "business", not the number of relationships... - Lindsay Donaghe
nah not true. Am always game for a bit of gizgaz as I like to call it - viki saigal
Do not like, do not want. I rather like the downtime. Reminds me that there are things called books, magazines, sleep. We human beings do not "need" to be connected to the net 24/7. - Adam Lasnik