Alberto Saavedra - Comments

Is FF considered the chat room or Ustream? Don't see a chatroom option in Ustream page. - beersage

FF is the chat. - Robert Scoble

Thanks, was there an ep last week? - beersage

Steve and Tina, waiting for your call... - Robert Scoble

I'm on a desktop now, but how do you find the show on the Ustream Viewer App on iOS? I searched Gillmor Gang and Newsgang, no results - Stephen Pickering

Stephen: I hate the Ustream viewer. I can never find anything on it. - Robert Scoble

and with a crazy cough, we're live! - Michael Breslin

If you access the http://www.building43.com/realtim... there is a scrolling chat to the right of the window. - Aron Michalski

Robert: Me too! heheh - Stephen Pickering

Did it snow in SF? - Alex de Soto

"If Apple does anything to restrict the amount of content available on the iPad. Game over. They lose." - @Ihnatko - Stephen Pickering

yes Alex: http://youtu.be/peP53ULq3mo - Kevin Marks

That sounded like an analog phone ringing on Scoble's desk... a rotary? - Andrew Hazlett

normal people don't use flipboard - Andrew Hazlett

The only apps I use are Twitter, Browser, Gmail, Kindle, Netflix, Instagram. I buy games, but I grow tired of them - Stephen Pickering

Yeah, but Robert, for instance the Ustream App is not as good as the web experience - Stephen Pickering

aside from NPR i'd rather have a website of any newspaper than their silly apps - Andrew Hazlett

well, Scoble's iPad probably looks like a treadmill on speed. - Aron Michalski

If podcasting was dead nobody would want audio only. - Michael Breslin

what's the "audio" for that, Steve? - dlature

http://www.quora.com/What-ar... - Robert Scoble

Fuck Normal. - Aron Michalski

Wednesday = incremental upgrade. - Michael Breslin

Does the iPad rub your belly and explain the things you don't understand? - Aron Michalski

I AM SO NORMAL - Richard

Trolls! - Stephen Pickering

If you don't know what normal is, don't use the term. - Aron Michalski

Aron: OK. - Robert Scoble

Will the new iPad have a Thunderbolt port? - Alex de Soto

49999 ipads and 1 xoom to scoble - Michael Breslin

Or Mainstream - Stephen Pickering

Under the influential... - Aron Michalski

Alex - and / or iPhone 5? - Jerome Hughes

True Wrist was a disappointing demo. Would've had a wow factor had the guy brought a headcam so the audience could see from his perspective. - beersage

is there a point? - Laura Norvig

How about @Room_77? - Alberto Saavedra

I uploaded to youtube this week http://www.youtube.com/watch... - Kevin Marks

The comments were just mindblowingly Techcrunchy. - Aron Michalski

Kevin is that a tummel show? I'm sorry I missed the Jeff Jarvis episode - Stephen Pickering

does it have a black light setting? - Aron Michalski

Anyone Tracking the Social Revolution Communications out of the Middle East? - Arnie Klaus

The CIA is just padding their budget. - Aron Michalski

no, that's my puppies. http://tummelvision.tv is audio only - Kevin Marks

I was hoping the Macbooks would be solid state or at least Hybrid - Stephen Pickering

the *new - Stephen Pickering

the Air's are solid state, and the macbooks have an option - Kevin Marks

mostly nonsense - Michael Breslin

When Netflix mails me a DVD do they pay a fee to the producer every time it is rented, as well as having purchased the DVD? - Stephen Pickering

AFAIK no, Stephen, they rely on first sale doctrine. - Kevin Marks

Pickering: No. First Sale Doctrine. - coldbrew

too slow :) - coldbrew

ssd mtbf isn't much lower than mechanical drives, for one - Michael Breslin

for two they're new enough that they haven't been running long enough to really know - Michael Breslin

What is first sale doctrine? - Stephen Pickering

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki... - coldbrew

Thanks Coldbrew - Stephen Pickering

:) - coldbrew

I just finished paying off my iPad I! - Stephen Pickering

My iPad has been crashing a lot lately. Is Objective C a faulty or "archaic" language? I've heard that from some corners. - Stephen Pickering

Keep the kids working in iPod City... - Aron Michalski

same price - Arnie Klaus

no way lower, same price - Michael Breslin

they didn't have such a lead there, Robert - Jerome Hughes

no competition - Arnie Klaus

i'd buy 2 if they were 100$ - Michael Breslin

Apple won't even sell you a cable for less than $100. - Laura Norvig

heck, they're selling 3GS's for $50 now... - Aron Michalski

I've got enough contracts, thanks. - coldbrew

SSD Performance - declines: http://bit.ly/em2EQ1 - probably mostly refuted by the manufacturers now - John Taschek

Costs in rare materials (screen, etc.) will keep the price up. - Arnie Klaus

$50 with contract isn't $50 - Kevin Marks

If they are taking 30 per cent they ought to give them away! - Stephen Pickering

Will probably start at $399. - Alex de Soto

Why should they make less money? Bose Factor. - Aron Michalski

Original will be $299 - Stephen Pickering

Who's keeping the spreadsheet with these predictions? - coldbrew

more unit for same prices, as with Mac revs - Jerome Hughes

Lower current version so they can sell till the 2 ships - Arnie Klaus

unlocked no-contract Androids are sub $100 http://armdevices.net/2011... - Kevin Marks

John correct answer is $299 - Stephen Pickering

John: that article is 2 years old nobody had been running ssds for any length of time by then, benchmarks by people who've now had the drives for a couple years mostly show similar performance - Michael Breslin

(i have 8x256gb crucial c300 in raid 0 for a year now) - Michael Breslin

I'm not sold on SSDs yet, I need more info. - coldbrew

can't afford either. Rich man's game. - Aron Michalski

Stephen - $299 sounds reasonable. - John Taschek

Is there a futures or hedge market here? - Arnie Klaus

Price comparison by consumers will be between Nook and Xoom. So I'm sticking with $399 starting price. Maybe $299 for iPad 1. - Alex de Soto

yes. - Aron Michalski

Need to get the student (classroom) model price established. - Arnie Klaus

Why people ignore total cost of ownership is beyond me. - coldbrew

200! - Michael Breslin

I bought a new imac for the i7 and it doesn't seem to run any better than my 2008 iMac. I think SSD is the most important factor - Stephen Pickering

what is the average 4 phone/unit cell phone bill per month? - Aron Michalski

TCO has been gamed too much and that's mainly why it is ignored. - John Taschek

If Scoble's the future, not sure I want to go there, ha ha - Andrew Hazlett

Technical discussion of SSD - block write performance - http://bit.ly/gwjxP1 - John Taschek

I would like a verizon LTE mifi to serve as my portable router for Scoble-style array of devices - Andrew Hazlett

Aren't you able to surf and talk on Verizon if you're on Wifi and 3G at the same time? - Alex de Soto

pantslessness ftw - Laura Norvig

Andrew: heh. - Robert Scoble

I would like for there to be some competition to Comcast so that we all get fiber to our home - Stephen Pickering

Aron: I pay more for my cell phones than most people pay for a car payment every month. - Robert Scoble

Is Google *ever* going to announce their 1Gig fiber test site? - Andrew Hazlett

World domination is all about making products much more affordable. iPad 1 for $299 and iPad 2 for $499 (considering the fact that screen is going to remain the same). - Nir Ben Yona

it's been announced Andrew. Stanford housing gonna get it first - greg hines

John: 1 year ago http://goo.gl/RXCGE - Michael Breslin

It's never over. - coldbrew

Saw lots of Iphones in revolution clips. - Arnie Klaus

John: not long ago: http://goo.gl/LxMXm - Michael Breslin

Monster name = add 30% - Aron Michalski

and believe me I abuse my drives - Michael Breslin

Michael - very interesting. Amazing really. - John Taschek

WIll Apple add free Mobile Me for all iOS devices next week? - Alex de Soto

new product opportunity - 12v to multi USB car charging hub - Jerome Hughes

Glad I'm childless. - Aron Michalski

Monster name - I think the market is 300 percent markup! At least at Best Buy - John Taschek

Free the MObilME! - Arnie Klaus

John: wear leveling in the newer controllers pretty much makes for no degrading, at the very least it's so small as to not be noticeable for many years - Michael Breslin

John; in my biz, they send us guitar cables for free, we cut off the gold connectors and mail them back to the President. - Aron Michalski

Let's talk about whether Apple will execute a successful Cloud Strategy. Even Gruber says if they don't the iPad will always be a toy - Stephen Pickering

data center in NC for Mobile Me http://www.businessreviewusa.com/industr... - Jerome Hughes

everything i read says ipad in the enterprise is on the rise, so I don't see the toy thing holding water - Michael Breslin

Aron: if ya got a spare or two... :D - Jerome Hughes

Interested in if Thunderbolt will be usable with Pro Tools, all the blurb is video based. - Aron Michalski

80 percent of the enterprises have adopted iPad in some way. http://aol.it/equk0v - John Taschek

Kind of squashes the toy theory - Michael Breslin

John: That article says 80% of Fortune 100's, or 80 companies - Richard

immolation exit. - Aron Michalski

my life became poorer when Steve stopped producing a podcast feed for the show :( - Jamie

"Podcasting is dead." --Steve Gillmor - Michael Breslin

here's a not inexpensive iOS app for... http://www.lextechlabs.com/product... - Jerome Hughes

podcasting is suiting http://tummelvision.tv pretty well; way more listeners to the podcast than live - Kevin Marks

it bumped our content-rich site up a lot. I'm happy with it. - Laura Norvig

everybody loves a bargain; besides Apple fan boys. - Aron Michalski

live streaming is great, but the feed helps as a fallback - Jamie

Leo has it right. - Jamie

Kevin: I didn't say I agreed, I was just quoting, podcasting is mainly for time shifting which is why I prefer it over streaming. - Michael Breslin

Jamie: Leo is right about what? - Robert Scoble

the point of groupon is not that you will like most of them, but that once or twice a year you will find the awesome deal that you just have to have. - Laura Norvig

That said if there is content I want to get bad enough I'll make myself available, so here I am! - Michael Breslin

they're hardly random - Jerome Hughes

I mean, his setup is the right way. stream the show but get the content out everywhere; podcast, youtube, reruns etc - Jamie

Just like QVC's daily value - Kevin Marks

KMart Blue Light Special on demand? But it must work - you can't argue with $890M in revs. - John Taschek

of course, I ended up unsubbing to groupon email notifications due to the noise ... - Laura Norvig

:-) - Jamie

stereo Steves - Jerome Hughes

caught red handed :) - beersage

I like the GG setup :) - coldbrew

podcast is track :) - Jamie

IF YOU CAN CONNECT TO THE NETWORK. - Aron Michalski

Laura - I'm sure I'll click on a Groupon ad once in my life. - John Taschek

Blockbuster went chap 11 months ago - coldbrew

Oh Yeah Datasift! - Stephen Pickering

http://english.aljazeera.net/watch_n... - Arnie Klaus

John, I got some great ice cream with it. - Laura Norvig

The only problem with @mentions is the Spam - Stephen Pickering

what did twitter release? missed that - beersage

Steve people listen to podcasts most during driving time, I can't go to youtube while driving. - Michael Breslin

"Not obscured by clouds." - Aron Michalski

I can't imagine Scoble could have notifications on - Stephen Pickering

yea, @mentions brings me in all kinds of oddity because it's very eager of a search - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

60 viewers!!!! the few, the proud, the pantsless. - Laura Norvig

Laura N: Its snowing here, so we all wear pants. - coldbrew

Earthlink - Jamie

Yeah I wanted to make that case the other day and forgot: Robert: STOP HATING ON NORMAL PEOPLE WE NEED THEM TO CLICK THE ADS SO WE GET EVERYTHING FOR FREE! - Michael Breslin

I got ipad spam when I mentioned Twitter & FB in a tweet. <_< - beersage

Michael: good point! But they aren't watching here so won't get pissed. - Robert Scoble

TIME SHIFTING - Michael Breslin

That's why you jailbreak, so you can make your own hosts file. - coldbrew

This is a Realtime Conversational Frontier. - Arnie Klaus

streaming = if you're not connected to the network you're fucked - Michael Breslin

chat is too funny - Tina Chase Gillmor

Some of us don't have 24/7 connection to the network; that's the reality. - Aron Michalski

an embedded player isn't a podcast? - Andrew Hazlett

Use a carrier pigeon :) - coldbrew

brick & mortar that bought the Groupon backer duo's dotcom (where was then) in '00 declared Chapter 11 in '01 - Jerome Hughes

youtube2mp3 - Michael Breslin

I am a normal person. - Kathleen Hassinger

Andrew, no, not in my book. - Laura Norvig

If you never leave the house or a major urban area (or leave the country) I guess you're cool. - Aron Michalski

just coincidence that sri can be shuffled into rsi - Michael Breslin

Englebart - Jerome Hughes

Earnings looked good anyway. - coldbrew

Jerome: I got into Englebart's office. - Robert Scoble

surprised Apple released Lion/MBPs this week. An event for an iPad speed bump is going to be a little dry. - Jamie

I'm missing Englebart and Ted Nelson at PDA today :( - Kevin Marks

nice... that's a great video with him by Cringely - Jerome Hughes

But my favorite is meeting the team that studies failure of materials (like plane skins, bulletproof glass, etc). - Robert Scoble

Kevin: Englebart is my hero. The dude is so smart. But he's getting slow lately. Isn't he 83 now? - Robert Scoble

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technol... - Kevin Marks

Kevin: gotta read Ted Nelson - Jerome Hughes

Laura N, if podcasting is only rss served stuff via iTunes, then I don't see much of a future in it, but making audio and/or video content available in lots of places, including iTunes, that's a different matter entirely - Andrew Hazlett

Who is Englebart? I know I know Scoble will say, "There's this thing called Google..." heheheheh - Stephen Pickering

invented mouse - Jerome Hughes

thats why RSS is dead - Jamie

I count on my friends who are 3 days behind. - Aron Michalski

ah, why does this sidebar scroll so far down past the video - beersage

the mouse is dead - Rob La Gesse

in other words if you miss it when scoble is the first to tweet it, you'll get it later when everyone else catches up - Michael Breslin

Englebart invented the gui and the mouse in 1968 - Kevin Marks

Englebart Humperdink - Stephen Pickering

or even earlier but didn't tell anyone http://www.archive.org/details... - Jerome Hughes

jeez, Scobles stream comes in quick. - Jamie

Rob: but is pointing, or not using only the command line - Jerome Hughes

Englebart was at Interval Research when I worked there (I was a lowly temp, but still got to meet him). - Laura Norvig

Track was infinitely more interesting, totally random sometimes. - Aron Michalski

The signal : noise on twitter was much greater then. - coldbrew

Anyone read Dealers of Lightning? - About the beginnings of Xerox. - John Taschek

Looking for patterns in the noise. - Arnie Klaus

watch the noise and when I see something brilliant it stands out -- Robert - Jerome Hughes

Patterns in the noise is a key issue. - John Taschek

Francine gets on the Gang in the weirdest ways - Jerome Hughes

I look for noise in the patterns. - Rob La Gesse

Ted streaming? - Arnie Klaus

How much does it cost to watch TED on TV? - Andrew Hazlett

lots, Andrew - Kevin Marks

his concept for watching the weight of posts on FF was brilliant; too bad everyone ran away. - Aron Michalski

I'm "Wiretapping" this episode of GG. I can put it on my server for listening or download unless Steve or TC minds - Stephen Pickering

Andrew: I think it's about $1,500 for 10 people. - Robert Scoble

robert what client is that that gives you a stream of tweets in its own seemingly borderless window - Michael Breslin

Back to http://english.aljazeera.net/watch_n... - Arnie Klaus

that's Twitter for Mac - Jamie

formerly Tweetie - Jamie

Stephen, you got last week's ep? - beersage

cool thanks - Michael Breslin

TED Webcast costs $500 - Rob La Gesse

http://www.ted.com/registr... - Robert Scoble

Rob is right. - Robert Scoble

Kevin knows what normal is. - Aron Michalski

Michael: that's Twitter's own Mac app, available in the Mac app store. - Robert Scoble

i'd rather be served ads than pay - beersage

beersage, nope I didn't think of it until today - Stephen Pickering

and wait till April. - Aron Michalski

Social Network by a mile - Stephen Pickering

I'd rather see no ads and pay a few bucks :) - coldbrew

Inception - Kevin Marks

I was a little disappointed by Social Network. watched it last week. good but thought it would be better given the hype. - Jamie

Toy Story 3 is in the running, yes - Rob La Gesse

This is my TV - Arnie Klaus

Definitely The King's Speech. - Nir Ben Yona

And Justin Bieber too. - Aron Michalski

here's a list, Steve... http://twitter.com/jromeh... - Jerome Hughes

I used to watch tv in the 90s...those were the days. - coldbrew

I just watch the ads - Arnie Klaus

Great movie but not relevant to today as Social Network is - Stephen Pickering

True Grit - Aron Michalski

Klaus: :) - coldbrew

Should vs. will is always the big distinction in Oscar picks - Andrew Hazlett

slightly disappointed in Toy Story 3 - greg hines

shouldn't be it was excellent - Michael Breslin

Marks: I can IM it to you if you want :) - coldbrew

Tell mike we love him - Arnie Klaus

IM me what? True Grit? - Kevin Marks

Hey with Thunderbolt he could IM you True Grit! - Stephen Pickering

Award pause. - Aron Michalski

Yes, sorry. - coldbrew

Or whatever its called :) - Stephen Pickering

The sound on one Ipad clapping. - Arnie Klaus

award pause on Oscars... - Jerome Hughes

til next time folks. - Jamie

cheers - Andrew Hazlett

http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2011... - Kevin Marks

Nice find. - John Taschek

I made a copy of today's episode that you can listen or right click and download audio only here: http://friendfeed.com/stephen... - Stephen Pickering

What's on today's agenda? - Matt M (inactive)

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The Apple drinking game. I'm standing by! - Robert Scoble

guess I'd better go refresh the beverages for that... - Karoli

Apple tablet discussion? Uh oh. :) - Matt M (inactive)

Matt: hopefully not or I'll get hammered! :-) - Robert Scoble

Starting shortly! - Robert Scoble

we will prob hear some about seesmic look - id love to use it but im a linux user.... - Chris Jackson

I would pay 20 bucks for Seesmic Look Pro with full list support and other power features missing in Seesmic Look - Mark

Would you guys? - Mark

P.S it looks AWESOME on a 50" plasma screen - Mark

hey, steve's a floating head on a black background today. always love that look. - Karoli

:) funny - Chris Jackson

We - Cliff Gerrish

We're waiting for Keen to find a headset. - Cliff Gerrish

Please stand by while we beat Keen up for being amateur. - Robert Scoble

Skype is usually pretty good with echo detection, right up until your fans kick in. - Matt M (inactive)

a floating head video for a moment?? http://www.youtube.com/watch... - Chris Jackson

is it supposed to have a test screen? - Tyler Gillies

we're up now. - Robert Scoble

yay audio! - Tyler Gillies

Are you only seeing test pattern. - Robert Scoble

? - Robert Scoble

Tablet mention - does Robert take a drink? :) - Matt M (inactive)

I'm seeing live video 1:15:31 pm PST. - Andrew Leyden

i see video now robert - Tyler Gillies

test screen went away as soon as gillmore started talking - Tyler Gillies

gillmor is such a douche. hes so mean - Tyler Gillies

the show must go on! - Vezquex

Oh, great. Technical difficulties. - Robert Scoble

What a fucking dick head - Mark

Leo Laporte wouldnt give in that easy - Mark

ill wait another week for my gillmor fix...... :( - Chris Jackson

Oh its not working so im going to throw my toys out of the pram and just quit! - Mark

why the fuck don't we have the robert scoble live show? (do you have that?) - Tyler Gillies

We're still working on it behind scenes. - Robert Scoble

I am going to go watch Windows Weekly.. Its actually professionally done. - Jake Smith

Tyler: I'm working on something along those lines. - Robert Scoble

Jake: and Leo has a team of people and a $100,000 studio now. - Robert Scoble

I think it was the British guy who had all the feedback - Jake Smith

It's not easy to make live work all the time. - Robert Scoble

arrington and gillmor are smart but they piss me off sometimes. - Tyler Gillies

The funny thing is Feldman tweeted how funny it was Gillmor had all this tech in his studio but doesnt know how to use it - Mark

I don't mean to be harsh, Robert, I respect you - Jake Smith

robert: leo has a 100 grand studio because hes not a dick and doesn't give up after 20 seconds ;) - Tyler Gillies

mark: feldman is a dick, but i think hes hillarious - Tyler Gillies

So is that it...show over? - Kenny

Leo makes his shows for his audience, GiIlmor makes his shows for himself is the difference. - Mark

wow people, it's like you had to pay money to watch the show - Tim Jones

Sorry about this, we'll have to try again. Steve's working behind the scenes to try to solve the audio problem. I think Gillmor Gang should be limited to three people and a guest. Too many people on it makes the liklihood of failure much higher, especially when guests show up without headsets. - Robert Scoble

Im going to contact the shows sponsor and express my dissatisfaction that he treats the viewers too poorly. - Mark

Mark: that's not true. - Robert Scoble

Mark: the sponsors are Rackspace and we're both involved and watching. - Robert Scoble

Oh. I won't contact them then hehehe. - Mark

Robert please make your own show! Hell make a show on TWiT I doubt Leo would mind! - Jake Smith

Mikes got wet? - Alex de Soto

tim: time is money - Tyler Gillies

Tyler: Leo has been doing live audio for 30 years. I helped Leo run his chat room for KGO radio back in 1995. - Robert Scoble

I sound like a Dick, but ive been looking forward to it ALL day since watching the live Seesmic thing this morning - Mark

Robert - So trying again now or another day? - Kenny

One of sponsors is right here -so you have already contacted Rackspace :) - Rob La Gesse

Most of the shows go off without a hitch. They are usually pretty informative too. Can't blame Steve for a handful of technical glitches here and there. - Matt M (inactive)

Jake: I'mm building a studio. - Robert Scoble

And reading Scobles 90 minute review. - Mark

Mark: Gillmor makes his shows for the content, Leo for the eyeballs, that's the difference - Alberto Saavedra

Robert was it a BBS or something? - Brian Hendrickson

Sorry for being harsh Robert - Jake Smith

Ditch them Robert, you are above this wreck of a show. We'll watch your own product. - Robert Kenney

ScobleOmniMedia. Tyler: if you had a decent phone you wouldn't need to be on your desktop to watch - Tim Jones

Awesome Robert! How much you trying to build it for, if you don't mind me asking. Will it be a network like TWiT? - Jake Smith

Also can't believe someone turned up to record a netcast without a headset. Unbelievable. - Mark

I'm talking with Gillmor right now. We're going to move the show to tomorrow at 1 p.m. - Robert Scoble

Im telling you, it was the British guy without headphones or a headset. - Jake Smith

tim: eh? i don't need to be on my desktop. i like my desktop though well latop anyway - Tyler Gillies

I would PAY to see a Scoble show, never mind this free stuff. - Mark

Cool, thanks Robert - Kenny

+1 for paying for a live scoble show - Tyler Gillies

Jake: to do a video studio it will cost $10,000-to-$20,000. I might start with just $5000 to do one camera and lights and good microphones. - Robert Scoble

but then again I'd pay for a Seesmic Look Pro with all power features - Mark

that'd be really cool! and just use tricaster? - Jake Smith

stick on a Paypal Donate button Robert like Leo has - Mark

the Scoble Studio - coming soon - michael sean wright

We don't get enough of Robert delivering monologue style content about things on video - Mark

When he gets going on GG he is interupted or something. - Mark

Mark, thanks! Jake: a tricaster would be interesting, but that's $10,000 so now the studio would be $20,000. :-) - Robert Scoble

+1 on Scoble Broadcasting Central, sponsored by Rackspace - Robert Kenney

yeah I justrealised that, my bad aha - Jake Smith

gillmor was such a dick "some scam you got running on friendfeed" no respect - Tyler Gillies

Huh? I didn't hear Steve say that. - Robert Scoble

no realtime video. is the show already over? - Edwin Khodabakchian

and just the way he talks to his guests... I mean cmon, be happy! - Jake Smith

we are only the audience. - Mark

I bet you could pull off a decent show with a webcam and and a couple of cheapo clip-on mics. Content > HD, IMHO. Part of why Steve's show is always interesting - interesting people talking about interesting things. - Matt M (inactive)

ok whiners, the whambulance is right out the door to your right - Tim Jones

Edwin: yeah, Steve had technical difficulties so we're moving the show to tomorrow at 1 p.m. - Robert Scoble

well thanks for talking with us Robert! Love your new Youtube content btw - Jake Smith

Jake: when I get stressed out cause things aren't working I don't treat people well either. It's a real skill to remain calm under pressure. - Robert Scoble

Thanks Jake. We have a ton of good stuff coming on http://building43.com too. - Robert Scoble

:) - Jake Smith

Ah. Ok. Will tune in again tomorrow then. Enjoy the rest of the apple drinking game! (Note: the videos about how you are building your studio are really cool!) - Edwin Khodabakchian

apple tablet apple tablet apple tablet apple tablet ;) - Tyler Gillies

The thing is Robert you do alot of stuff with other companies chatting about their products but we don't often get to hear you talk about tech issues. The things you would tlak about on TWiT for example. We don't know where you stand on Google, Facebooks datacentres thing, the tablet, etc. - Mark

had an idea Robert, have Daniel bring back apple universe podcast and you two do it, that'd be awesome - Jake Smith

Mark: good point. That would probably be something I'd focus on in a weekly show. - Robert Scoble

That part of my life I usually share on Twitter, but that's hard to get a real complete thought out through. - Robert Scoble

I like this format where a bunch of techies get together and talk over issues of the day. It's not showing off products, just discussing cutting edge web stuff. - Matt M (inactive)

robert: not everything has to be a production. the garyvee flipcam rant is a respected style - Tyler Gillies

At the end of the week, we know Leo Laportes views on everything that happened in tech that week, and I think Robert's views would be just as in demand. - Mark

Tyler: good point. But Gary Vee has a camera guy and a $3,000 camera now. :-) - Robert Scoble

for Wine Library, not his site - Jake Smith

Mark: that's why my impulse is to start my studio with good microphones, audio switcher, and one camera. - Robert Scoble

Anyway Scoble I hope this gives you a kick up the arse to get something going. - Mark

i have a 3000 camera too. i still prefer my kodak zi6 though - Tyler Gillies

That's affordable and the variables are kept down. - Robert Scoble

i want a zi8 now though - Tyler Gillies

Mark: it does. Unfortunately in February I'm doing a ton of travel. Barely will be home. Sigh. - Robert Scoble

Tyler: the Zi8 is great except for the focus point. Kodak really blew it on that one (it is locked at 10 feet). - Robert Scoble

im out, nice talking to you all - Jake Smith

wait, I have one question for Robert. whats your views on teens on the web? I am just curious - Jake Smith

See ya, sorry about this. - Robert Scoble

you're forgiven - Tim Jones

Jake: my son has been on the web since he was six. I dont' have a problem with it. - Robert Scoble

Worldwide Skype outage according to Huffington Post - Mark

That's kind of funny - Mark

i think if kids are educated its good. tell your kid why they shouldn't go to 4chan, not just put a blocker on your computer so they can't - Tyler Gillies

Tyler: exactly. My son got into an argument with the FCC Commissioner. He said "block me and you just make it more interesting." - Robert Scoble

very cool - Jake Smith

Missed today's GG, but I see it's been rescheduled to tomorrow, Fri, Jan 22 at 1pm - great! :) - Susan Beebe

Yup, should be on in about 15 minutes. - Robert Scoble

oh relax Steve - Kenny

Bull, Robert. My non-geek spouse LOVES his laptop. - Karoli

Off topic: Kudos to Dave Winer for asking to be removed from the SUL - Jim Posner

What is going to be the price point? $800 - Jim Posner

I am running Silverlight. whatever most current is for Mac...3.0? - Karoli

nuts... your biggest fan in Argentina has 5 min to watch and... - Aron Michalski

hey Dare, how's Windows Live track coming? - Steve Gillmor

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if only it was just a feature and not the realtime business model... - Alberto Saavedra

steve, imaginary friends are still available here http://friendfeed.com/setting... (or you could do a private room/group and not invite anyone and get the same result) i really want to do that (but with a public room) for scoble's lists, but the twitter team has lists behind https apparently - Chris Heath

What's the current state of "track hacks," anyway? Twitter's got both a search and publish API, which seems to be all you'd need (minus bleeding realtime of course)... - Kurtiss Hare

i still use TwitterSPY and IdentiSPY, along with ff.im and wave-xmpp for all my tracking needs -- rarely do i need to go over to search.twitter.com - Chris Heath

curious what people make of the new RT on twitter - Christopher Harris

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and Google's acquisitions of Admob and Gizmo5 - Vezquex

We should start shortly, I'm still waiting for Steve Gillmor to call me up. - Robert Scoble

ready for Gillmor Gang with @jobsworth - Kevin Marks

Livestream launches free live streaming to iPhone and iPod Touch Safari. http://iphone.livestream.com/ - Vezquex

On the call, should start shortly. - Robert Scoble

New New York Times sounds like something from Futurama. - Vezquex

snap, iPhone - Vezquex

So... is Palm dead? - Ken Sheppardson

What's palm? - Cliff Gerrish

You remember, Cliff... the last company to release a phone the Robert said was better than the iphone. - Ken Sheppardson

whining about a default setting? - Vezquex

Didn't 3com used to own them... - Cliff Gerrish

Before the Apple people took over... - Ken Sheppardson

I like that slogan: "It's geekier" - Cliff Gerrish

No, Android is Linux to Apple's Apple. - Ken Sheppardson

iPhone = Windows, Palm = Apple, Android = Linux ;-) - Ken Sheppardson

Scoble needs something to argue about to feel relevant - scott anderson

Maybe Microsoft should release a phone operating system... - Ken Sheppardson

Here we go... - Mike Doeff

Hold on, hold on... Michael... did you *pay* for that Droid? - Ken Sheppardson

that was bizarre. i was getting overlapping audio. And Ken, you are a naughty, naughty boy. :) - Karoli

Ken - you trouble maker you! - Rob La Gesse

scott: give me a break. - Robert Scoble

I bought my own Droid. - Robert Scoble

I'm buying a Droid tomorrow - on a G1 now - Kevin Marks

I'm afraid to try the Droid as I'm pretty heavily emotionally invested in the Pre :-) - Ken Sheppardson

dang, you guys are really making me want a Droid. And Scoble hating is a great bonus. - Vezquex

geeks make me laugh...the latest and greatest rivalries of geek toys. too bad Aron's not here to be one of the cool kids. - Karoli

As we saw with the Pre, you can say some device "single handedly restored" whatever, but just wait six months... - Ken Sheppardson

Is the web the platform, or are we seeing 2 or 3 new platforms in this space? - Cliff Gerrish

The web is the one true platform. - Vezquex

one platform to rule them all? - Karoli

These guys are pissing me off..give me a break talking about how much better the apps are - Android just needs a little more time until the apps are mature - iPhone didn't have apps at first. The 1st version of the Facebook app wasn't perfect, there have been enhancements, upgrades etc - Kenny

what nokia is dead? - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

What market doesn't have one big 50% market share leader and 2-3 alternative smaller players? - Ken Sheppardson

the Android OS is an integrated component model where iPhone is a monolithic app model - scott anderson

The fact that Android is now getting momentum means, more, and better apps are coming very soon. Loving my HTC Hero !!! - Jim @TechFrog Alden

Who's the really old guy leading this whole thing? - Kenny

It is too soon to draw conclusions, folks. - Mona Nomura

Kenny: Steve Gillmor. - Robert Scoble

Kenny: I can't compare products based on what might be. I have to look at WHAT IS!!!! - Robert Scoble

Mona: Is it too early to draw the conclusion that more than one option can survive? ;-) - Ken Sheppardson

Thanks Robert - Kenny

Android is where the market is heading, more so outside the US, where iphone is a bit player. - mark w webster

mark: when I travel overseas I see iPhone usage very heavy. - Robert Scoble

I am very happy with my Droid. The apps are updating for the new Android 2.0. A new update to Twidroid will be out next week according to a tweet from the developer today. - Mike Shulman

mono is being ported to Android - scott anderson

you mix with geeks Robert :) - mark w webster

True Robert, but I think Android will only improve as time goes on, just like Apple and the iPhone did. - Kenny

I can see the back of Robert Scoble's head right now. This is too much real time web. ;) - Eric - Ball So Hard

The bar should not be set solely on platform and hardware -- the devs are a huge part of a phone's success. If Android developers step up, and the iPhone stays proprietary to AT&T, that opens up a whole new ball game. - Mona Nomura

HTML5 may make the apps more irrelevant. - Rob La Gesse

How is it that guys like this who love Tech, are considered the Top of Social Media all have the worst Web Cams, Audio Levels at all ranges and are crying about cutting each off like they are in some Playground, this is why nobody pays attention to them, blah! - Lorenzo

the Droid is just one phone. think about the difference between G1 and Droid. the next leap will be just as significant. - scott anderson

Not if your data plan cannot support it. AT&T's 3G is garbage and I don't have the patience to wait for sites to load. Hence, apps FTW. - Mona Nomura

HTML5 is key - the new platform for mobile web on all phones - Kevin Marks

I love all the commentary regarding Apple control of the app store. You should have tried building apps for Verizon. I spent hundreds of thousands of dollars just to get an application cleared to be put into their deck. You couldn't even write apps for Verizon if you didn't have a small war chest. - Jerry Schuman

Mona, agree 100% - Karoli

Even RIM hardcore fans are ready to jump to Android. - Karoli

I suspect the most disruptive thing to happen to the handset industry will be a regulatory end to carrier lock in in the next 3-5 years. - Ken Sheppardson

@Lorenzo I am a big fan of these guys. By the way, who was that guy in the East Coast Vegas video? - PC Easy

Am I really listening to grown men talk about Cell Phones? This country is doomed - Lorenzo

iphone market share over here tops less than 5%, though app availability is high on buyers minds, Android is making good strides in that area, it's a two horse race IMO. - mark w webster

RIM will be implementing WebKit browser in 2010 - Marc Delurgio

RIM hasn't progressed - at all, and their attempts have been nothing but FAIL. BB Storm? Really?? - Mona Nomura

ending carrier lock would be awesome! - Vezquex

Lorenzo - you don;t have to watch/listen... - Kenny

I know kenny, however i think im permitted to give my opinion as long as I dont use vulgarity - Lorenzo

Changing the balance of power for phone development is key. The platform has been taken away from the telecoms. - Cliff Gerrish

I call bullshit on that fact. Get ready when each different handset starts having different requirements. - Jerry Schuman

True - Kenny

And those who keep bringing up HTML5, perhaps on Verizon's data it may run fine but on AT&T's unreliable 3G? NO. CDMA ftw. - Mona Nomura

100k iPhone apps doesn't matter - make 50 essential apps are avail for top 4 platforms, then the playing field is leveled - Marc Delurgio

I still think for a polished product that is easy to pick up and use, the Palm Pre is still my Favorite. - Luke Kilpatrick

I'm a big fan of Google Voice, except for the translations - they're pretty bad - Kenny

I'm sure I'm wrong, but I expect Android to take over handsets the same way Linux has taken over the desktop :-/ - Ken Sheppardson

lol - Kenny

Scoble - I have ridden with you while you use a cell phone for navigation - it is VERY scary! - Rob La Gesse

Palm Pre was introduced only recently here, a real Turkey, just in time for Xmas. - mark w webster

Lorenzo - I've seen you on Twitter and I know you use vulgarity. - PC Easy

Apple doesn't do cloud services. A single iPhone app developer will have a hard time competing with Google on that front. - scott anderson

Android will take over handsets because Windows Mobile is pitiful and iPhone OS is not available to 3rd-party devices. - Vezquex

PCEasy, are you not the person on twitter that continues to make horrible comments about Leo's face? - Lorenzo

Rob: that's because iPhone doesn't do turn-by-turn so you have to look at the screen. - Robert Scoble

WM is dead, or at least, its in dire need of defibrilation - mark w webster

I still think the Droid reminds me of the feel of a 80's Transformer. I think the HTC Hero is a much more polished phone and will get better with Android 2.0. - Luke Kilpatrick

Google Nav does work pretty well, especially since its free, but it does need some improvements - but it's good enough that I canceled my Verizon Navigator - Kenny

apps will die - web apps will prevail - Marc Delurgio

IT's on all these devices, Steve - Ken Sheppardson

The Pre does turn by turn, for free and it works great. I still think the Google map app is pretty good. - Luke Kilpatrick

Robert Scoble, why is it you top tech geeks cant get your audibles to the same level, let alone have a decent webcam? Also, do you feel that 1938Media is slightly over-rated? Thank you - Lorenzo

HTML5 is not Reality. Not until we get rid of IE6 - Luke Kilpatrick

Lorenzo: that's Steve Gillmor who has control of audio levels. - Robert Scoble

Luke: IE6 isn't a problem on smartphones :-) - Ken Sheppardson

IE6 is dead. anyone who develops for it is a fool. - Karoli

Who is 1938media? I heard he's telling lies but I blocked him so I don't know what he's up to. - Robert Scoble

Robbie Scobbie, I thank you. - Lorenzo

The levels aren't perfect but still pretty good considering that you have 5 different people in 5 different locations on laptops - Kenny

He always talks crap about you on twitter to pceasy - Lorenzo

Chrome and Safari - Jerry Schuman

firefox for when I need firebug - Jerry Schuman

Lorenzo: I don't care. He lies. That's all I need to know. - Robert Scoble

IE only when my machine needs to dial home to Microsoft for something - Ken Sheppardson

I tried Chrome in Ubuntu and couldn't access any https:// pages. - Vezquex

Yes but as a developer that builds web apps I still have to target IE6 which sucks majorly but its still the standard at enterprise. - Luke Kilpatrick

Android is licensed with Apache 2.0, a very business-friendly open source license - scott anderson

Every iPhone developer enters a royalty agreement with Apple. - Rob La Gesse

"Large market share" isn't the same thing as "network effect" - Ken Sheppardson

IE6 is the main reason I like doing Mobile dev better than just core web dev as you only need to target 1 main rendering engine - Webkit. Although there are some differences between iPhone, Andriod and Palm Pre. iPhone has the best implementation. - Luke Kilpatrick

Still waiting on my Ribbit Voice invite code. - Jerry Schuman

Whos the heavy breather? :) - Kenny

Jerry, use gang09 - Cliff Gerrish

thanks cliff - Jerry Schuman

Neat. Will Ribbit have VOIP? Is it free? - Vezquex

Holy Macro, what a time I had getting here. - Matt Terenzio

So, can we use Ribbit + iPhone to equal GoogleVoice + Droid? - Cliff Gerrish

Cliff Basically. - Robert Scoble

Although I will compare those this weekend. - Robert Scoble

Ok, that breathing is creepy - Jim @TechFrog Alden

What happened, Matt? Your FF browser crash? :) - Rob La Gesse

Hm... that code just gets me an "account reserved".... - Ken Sheppardson

Hey Kevin, give the live web audience a ribbit code... - Cliff Gerrish

ribbit code for gillmor gang listeners is "gang09" sign up at ribbit.com - Kevin Marks

Had to reboot everything was moving slowwww - Matt Terenzio

Kevin: But that just gets you a "Ribbit Account Reserved" email? - Ken Sheppardson

sweet, thanks Kevin Marks. - Vezquex

Should kids have a google voice number? With parents controlling the switchboard? - Cliff Gerrish

the accounts will go out over the next few days Ken - Kevin Marks

Cool. Thanks, Kevin. - Ken Sheppardson

LOL - Kenny

looking forward to trying ribbit.... - Karoli

On the net - Apple could fade like AOL, The Apple Tablet will make Iphone, android Apps quite secondary. Phone will have a much smaller earprint. - Arnie Klaus

double dare someone to call Scoble. - Vezquex

OK, everyone -- call Robert! - Cliff Gerrish

what was that numnber?? - Kenny

I will admit - I called Robert once, trying to find him at a meet-up in Half Moon Bay. It came in handy. - Mike Doeff

Doh, crunchpad!?!? - Kenny

i want a crunchpad, she whined. - Karoli

So it should be out soon?? - Kenny

will the crunchpad run Android? - scott anderson

...or Chrome OS - Ken Sheppardson

no contact points, composite enclosed, for kids and up - Arnie Klaus

Chrome w/ Android plug-ins - scott anderson

+1-425-205-1921 - Robert Scoble

Get it out before Christmas Mike. - Mike Doeff

I'm amazed you don't get a ton of prank calls - Kenny

+1-707-WEB-LIVE - Matt Terenzio

Kenny: I have your phone number if you call me. - Robert Scoble

More QVC... :-) - Ken Sheppardson

I've never called but if I need a tech opinion I might hit you up - Kenny

tablets will replace kiosks not personal devices - scott anderson

One handed computing - easy to misinterpret that one - Mike Doeff

haha, one-handed computing. - Vezquex

books, text books, movies, homework... - Arnie Klaus

solar - Arnie Klaus

maps, cookbooks, phonebooks... - Ken Sheppardson

I think Apple bought major textbook rights. - Arnie Klaus

On train to NYC yesterday NewBiz News conference there were 8 newspapers 1 kindle and two iphones in my car. I was using iphone - Matt Terenzio

doorbell on TV! I like this guy. - Vezquex

Mostly Wall Street Journals - Matt Terenzio

Tuck that phone into my ear, on with the tablet - Arnie Klaus

My comcast phone shows up on my tv. Really like it. - Cliff Gerrish

my doorbell has it's own Gmail address - you can email to ring it. And no - will NOT give that number out :) - Rob La Gesse

Remember when we all had to carry backpacks in school? - Arnie Klaus

Wasn't Bluetooth supposed to handle all this? - Ken Sheppardson

My backpack is in the cloud now... - Cliff Gerrish

Alright guys, I gotta go. Keep up the good debate! - Kenny

I need to go look at how Activitystrea.ms handle location and proximity... - Ken Sheppardson

Cliff, does that mean just on the internet or do you mean virtual hosting as in AWS or Rackspace etc - Matt Terenzio

will iPhone apps run on all these different types of devices? does Apple have the resources to make that happen? - scott anderson

Bump is on the Android as well - Kenny

I just want seamless handoff between my cell phone and desk phone - Ken Sheppardson

Matt, all sorts of cloudish locations.. - Cliff Gerrish

I ask because someone used cloud at work today and I'm pretty sure they meant just on a server. I didn't ask. - Matt Terenzio

We don't really have an identity concept (or agency) that works with this node linking idea. - Cliff Gerrish

Of course, my office isn't exactly Cliff level - Matt Terenzio

It's a different level in the protocol stack, Robert - Ken Sheppardson

tweetdeck with touch - Arnie Klaus

i love my Kindle. LOVE IT. - Karoli

I'm getting a Nook. Dumb name - nice device. - Rob La Gesse

the techies are gonna be so harsh on the crunchpad - Marc Delurgio

I love getting instant books. I love sending PDFs over for reading later. I love getting The Nation automatically. - Karoli

Rob, I'm thinking of getting a Nook for my daughter...to compare. - Karoli

Books will go down fast in the coming months - Matt Terenzio

Kindel is bridge technology to the post script generation....Iʻve read many more books through audio. - Arnie Klaus

As soon as a standard format emerges, it's over - Matt Terenzio

The Nook looks cool but I'm waiting for the Apple Tablet. - Robert Scoble

the Nook runs on Android - scott anderson

Virtual roundtable time... any thoughts on spdy protocol announcement? - Alberto Saavedra

Scoble - yes - assuming it has a bright-light readable screen. I doubt it. - Rob La Gesse

scott, that's one of the reasons I want the Nook. (for my daughter, of course...LOL) I want to try an Android device. - Karoli

I wish, the textbooks comes on ebook usable format instead of watered down version. - Ashish

ashish, agree. textbooks should be ebook, full version. - Karoli

Using the term "open" to mean seven different things at the same time can be a problem... - Ken Sheppardson

@ken - glad you opened that line of thought - Rob La Gesse

Ken: agreed. - Robert Scoble

imagine if our phones ran on closed networks - scott anderson

It's really just a question of whether any node can listen and talk over the network. - Cliff Gerrish

How do we define variable communities? - Arnie Klaus

Scott: they would be like IM was for years. - Robert Scoble

Scott: They do. Call Sprint and ask them if you can use your iPhone on the "open" phone network. Or the device you slapped together from parts you got at Fry's - Ken Sheppardson

good comment Robert (there's your break) - scott anderson

Good show, Steve. Thanks to all. - Karoli

thanks, all! - Rob La Gesse

Great show, thanks. - Mike Doeff

laters - Vezquex

Will the textbook publishers allow that to happen without lowering profits? I hope they realize that new form interactive ebooks can create more market opportunities. - Ashish

another great show Steve. Your production keeps getting better. - Paul E. Ester

Borthwick, Fitton, Marks, Scoble, Farber, Loic. - Steve Gillmor

thanks for having me Steve. - Loic Le Meur

Interesting as usual, the ecosystem is set to explode with the Listing API and curation is what everyone needs to be working on. Nice to hear more opinions about status updates converging and reading lists trending, as the potential issues with proxy rights to link data and a Facebook App Store. Looking forward for the transcript. - Alberto Saavedra

s/frlowing/flowing/g - Jay Cuthrell

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fixed thx - Steve Gillmor

Has anyone heard from dave winer today he has been silent for 24 hours - Mark from iPhone

Interesting piece, agree on the opportunity for an atomized content architecture with personalized context and the conclusion around the key success factor: leverage the power of peer relationships by providing choice when modeling trust relationships. Not entirely sure that the current hybrid iPhone model provides enough choice to continue scaling. - Alberto Saavedra

I think it's safe to say... NO ONE ON THIS PROGRAM HAS ANY INVITES LEFT! Don't bother asking :P - Johnny

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They're being throttled - Johnny

LOL - Roberto Bonini

Eventually I'll get mine. My early adopter twitch is twitching.. - Mike Lewis

Let's get going, really curious about your experiences with Wave! - Jan Cifra

Still waiting as well. - Roberto Bonini

I haven't heard a single positive thing about Wave yet. Still want to try it for myself, but it's interesting that there's so little positive buzz. - Jeff Harbert

woop woop woop - ralphsaunders

Leo: Get Scoble on... :) - Holger Eilhard

What's the wave for this show? - Jérôme

Scoble would be great!!!! - Roberto Bonini

I have been nominated for a wave invite... What the heck google, am i not good enough for you! - ralphsaunders

I'd love to participate in the show's wave! - Eric

FIOS would rock. - Jeff Harbert

From what I have read (no invite yet) if I can run this on my own server for my 5 team members at work, THIS is the solution I have been looking for. - Johnny

Also, Scoble missed the point. It's not social media or a broadcast medium. 100,000 would never be manageble team in any situation. Wave has power in small numbers. This beta is a free-for-all. - Johnny

The API is where Wave is going to see some action, I think. - Jeff Harbert

Johnny: "This beta is a free-for-all." Not so much at this moment :) - Holger Eilhard

Johnny: you need to read my latest blog post: http://scobleizer.com - Robert Scoble

I don't want to be on the show today. I haven't taken a shower yet. Heheh. - Robert Scoble

Robert!!!!!!!!!!! hehe - Roberto Bonini

Someone's phone is ringing. - Jeff Harbert

Nah. I'm not answering the phone, it's downstairs. - Robert Scoble

Robert please make use of the bold tag when you blog so people can see the sections of the post. - ralphsaunders

I meant I heard a phone ringing in the background on TWiG. - Jeff Harbert

Robert... I did... you still miss the point. The power comes from when I can run my own Wave server inside a corporation. - Johnny

Heheh. - Robert Scoble

How do you get to the real time 'chat room' style view for the TWIG friend feed? No wonder this site hasn't taken off, the learning curve is unbelievable - Matt

Leo, you gotta read my latest post where I take on the email metaphor of Google Wave and why Google Wave isn't productive. - Robert Scoble

Wave is like an online whiteboard for web conferences. - Jeff Harbert

Jeff: if you could lock it down to just people at the conference that might be useful. - Robert Scoble

Danny: exactly! - Robert Scoble

Agreed, Robert. - Jeff Harbert

But in my 5 member team at work, this will replace email for is - Johnny

Only, Danny, this is better thought out and more mature (and faster, etc). - Robert Scoble

Matt: Click on the timestamp or here: http://friendfeed.com/twit-co... - Holger Eilhard

True - Roberto Bonini

Google Wave is the new black. I mean FriendFeed. - Jeff Harbert

Johnny: how will you lock out spam? Or others who find out about your account? - Robert Scoble

Jeff: LMAO. - James Williams

Just had a problem with Wave: I opened a window to ping Leo asking to join the TWig Wave, but I decided not to bother him. Unfortunately, as I saw on the live video, it already had -- he saw a flashing ping window before I even started typing! (I decided to type out a message at that point, seeing as it had already appeared on his screen.) - Eric Geller

Can you run your own Wave server? wave.google.com isn't the only place this will exist - Johnny

Jeff summed it up well - ralphsaunders

Yes you can johnny - Roberto Bonini

It's an email/wiki mashup. - invariant

By the way, how do I join the Twig wave? - Robert Scoble

And therefore can control the people in your instance? - Johnny

Johnny: the federation source is out there but it might not be complete. - James Williams

give it a smack down... no idea - ralphsaunders

what's your wave email robert? - Leo Laporte

Im not good enough for googles wave apparently - ralphsaunders

We're on the Wave for this show at https://wave.google.com/wave... - Jérôme

I'm pretty sure I'm scobleizer@googlewave.com - Robert Scoble

If I can run my own instance, and control l those who go into it. NO SPAM. - Johnny

I think you guys are missing the point. Wave is not a replacement for email it's a new solution to an old problem - how do I communicate efficiently with people around the world? - Jan Cifra

added roberrt - Leo Laporte

Jan: and there it is an unproductive one at the moment. - Robert Scoble

speaking of spam, is this a good place to shill for an invite? - Gabe

I agree but it's not final - Jan Cifra

Gabe: Nope - Roberto Bonini

Gabe invites seem to take a week anyway T_T - ralphsaunders

;) thanks Danny - Gabe

Plus, I can create my own BBS style Wave instance. I could create my own server and add people who have similar interests - Johnny

Gabe: even if it were you won't get the invite soon anyway. - Robert Scoble

Eek! http://is.gd/3UYZQ - ralphsaunders

Anybody really got an account based on a recommendation? - Holger Eilhard

This is a business app - Johnny

TWiG is quickly becoming one of the most respected podcasts on the net after a few episodes - Mark

This is an app for tight groups - Johnny

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki... - Gabe

Gina speaks so fast my brain can't keep up >< - ralphsaunders

Seems to me like we're thinking of Wave in terms of every other open social media app out there. Like here in FriendFeed, or Twitter, or even email. - Jeff Harbert

Doesn't wave cover the email paradigm well? Especially if you consider the federation/protocol part? - Jan Cifra

Big 3: Google, Microsoft, Apple, not maybe in that order. So deserves its TWIT show - Mark

Leo, can you talk about running your own Wave server. That would solve a lot of the issues with noise and unwanted people - Johnny

Where's Marshall? - Debi Jones

if yahoo gets big again there will be This Week In Search hehe - Mark

How do you permanently hide/delete a wave? - Robert Scoble

Skype permissions problem with Marshall - Roberto Bonini

Good topic and good panelists.. TWiG is a winner - Matt

Mark: haha - John Atkinson

stil waiting for my wave invite, wish i knew what was being talked about here - Tate

Now I really understand why FriendFeed didn't add multi-level threading. - Robert Scoble

Mark, thats what the Gilmour Gang was - ralphsaunders

Danny, as Mark pointed out and Leo has stated... Apple and MS are both essentially platforms or ecosystems, as is Google... so it makes sense and just as in his other shows, the content isn't alwayslimited to google - Gabe

Unlike Twitter you have to have other people who are already engaged to use Wave, so it will start as a business / org app - Matt

the smartest people in the world are on the TWiT network ;) - Mark

Hisham... but if it's free? - Johnny

Interesting insights related to #2010web and where Wave plays in Enterprise 2.0 in this post http://bit.ly/1amVOO - Alberto Saavedra

A good use for Wave would be for the TWiT shows. You can pause the live stream and it will buffer from where you left off but the Friendfeed room moves on so you are behind the chat and have no idea what is being talked about. Could make a wave client for TWiT shows so you can "playback" what you missed in synch with the video stream. - Mark

Btw can you sort Waves based on contacts? The "Inbox" UI seems very confusing if you consider you could have hundreds of contacts - it could get messy. - Jan Cifra

Hisham: If you have ever seen a successful wiki implementation, at work for example, the knowledge capture is amazing. I can see Wave taking this to the next level - especially the real time component. - Marshall Huwe

My boss - Johnny

Jan: Not sure about sorting but you can search with "from:username" like in Gmail I believe - James Williams

Remember how they used the word 'wave' in Firefly? I wonder if that's where the Wave team got the name. - Jeff Harbert

Gina, that would rock, seriously. - Jeff Harbert

Gina, that sounds like a Wave implementation of A Tiny Thread: - Gabe

Jeff: my guess is yes because the error messages in the sandbox are something kaylee says. Something about "shiny Cap'n" - James Williams

James: Neat, I didn't know that. - Jeff Harbert

Danny: pwned ;) - Holger Eilhard

Shame thats not his real number eh danny ;) - John Atkinson

WOW... this is cool - Johnny

o.O - Kevin Nunez

Is he trying out the conference gadget ?(not watching currently) - James Williams

gTalk/Google Voice intergration... - Johnny

I can see that being very useful. One on one online coaching, multi-city conferences... - Jeff Harbert

That'll be good, when the rest of us can get gvoice accounts too :) - Simon Wicks

IT'S FREE - Johnny

I wonder how long it will take for the voice transcription in Google Voice to make it into wave - Gabe

It's the Ribbit Conference Gadget. - James Williams

This sounds like all colleges would replace its whiteboards with this, what will it cost, if any?? - Rick

Now THAT gave us a taste of what will be cool about Google Wave. But they never should have pitched it as a "new email." - Robert Scoble

At university we have used wave to take notes at lectures, and by using it we can share thoughts of it and sound files from the lecture feks - Devlin

It would be more interesting if voice dialog transcribed into conference - who said what - notagolfer

Gabe, probably the same time it takes the transcription currently. - Jeff Harbert

Anyone need an invite? I'll give out 3 of mine. Warning, it seems to take a while (days) for them to go out. - invariant

YES - Simon Wicks

Robert, they were trying to put it in context of existing services. That was a mistake. - Jeff Harbert

Yes - notagolfer

please me - Rick

It will replace email for my team. - Johnny

farewell FF, I'd love an invite! - Jeff Harbert

Kevin is the smartest guy on the GG and now on TWiG - Mark

Jeff, I meant before google integrates it into wave... unless it already is? - Gabe

"Remember how they used the word 'wave' in Firefly? I wonder if that's where the Wave team got the name." That would be pretty funny, Jeff Harbert. - Matt Cutts

Gabe, dunno if it's currently integrated or not. - Jeff Harbert

@Hisham: do you have patients? do you do research? do you have staff? do you have peers? Don't know your situation obviously, but I can see lots of opportunity for knowledge capture, realtime collaboration, etc. - Marshall Huwe

Ok, Simon Wicks, notagolfer, Rick and +1 for Jeff Harbert: I'll follow you, DM me an email address to use. - invariant

thank you! - notagolfer

farewell FF - sweet, thanks! - Jeff Harbert

Ribbit gadget it's really useful, imagine if TWiG can be segmented in episodes and each segment is a threaded wave, it will be easier for people that were not able to follow it in realtime, catch-up with the content/comments generated - Alberto Saavedra

hi @mattcutts, you should invite @jewelstaithe to Wave... - Kevin Marks

Thats an interesting Q's, how will Google integrate this into all its other Apps - Rick

is scoble the only one not excited about Wave ? - Mark

Here is why it will replace email. I send back and forth 6 emails about a subject to a person on my team. hen we have to bring someone else in on the conversation. They then have 12 emails to read before they catch up. - Johnny

Mark: Re: Kevin Marks...And he's a really cool, laid back, and approachable in person. - James Williams

Mark: no, I've gotten hundreds of replies from people who don't get it either. - Robert Scoble

why is "Leo Laporte Makes $1" a trending topic on twitter??????????????? - Mark

Thanks very much farewell FF :) - Simon Wicks

@ribbit could add transcription of the calls into the wave, but there is a lag to do it - Kevin Marks

Mark: see Mashable. Leo gave a talk at the Online News Association earlier today where he announced that his revenues are more than a million a year. - Robert Scoble

re: ribbit gadget transcription: And it doesn't like some British accents ;) - James Williams

Holy crap he is rich! - Mark

James: agreed. Kevin is a great guy. - Robert Scoble

Mark: out of that he pays seven people. But the Mashable article showed his costs are $350,000 a year. - Robert Scoble

And the hosts - Johnny

Holy crap he is moderatley well off! :D - Mark

@Kevin Marks: that's pretty cool, and will make it more useful for business - keep people from saying stupid stuff :) - notagolfer

I think Wave's usefulness is directly related to how many people you know that you need to collaborate with and how net saavy they are - Matt

I wonder how/if Wave is going to impact SXSWi next year. - Jeff Harbert

Here's the link to Leo's ONA speech: http://paidcontent.org/article... - Holger Eilhard

Wow over $1million profit in a year after paying his staff! - Mark

Jeff: Not much I think. It'll be just another place to check. But that could change if Android/iPhone gets a native client with a slick interface. - James Williams

Not profit, Mark. Leo's statement was $350 K in costs and $1.5 mil in revenue. - Debi Jones

Will wave.google.com be the only instance? - Johnny

Invites seem to be very slow at present - Quentin Stafford-Fraser

What will this cost for colleges to use for their white board system? - Rick

Not everyone will use wave.google.com in the future - Johnny

I am happy Leo is making loads of money because he spends tens of thousands a year on new equipment for the studio :D - Mark

I dont think they are immediate. If im not mistaken the invites are manual - Kashif Khan

Not sure if $350 is total costs. That was for the network. - Debi Jones

Johnny: I'm fairly certain that you can host your own wave - tytycoon

Danny: Life is not fair. :) - Kevin Nunez

Yup - a friend sent me one a couple of days ago and it hasn't arrived yet - Quentin Stafford-Fraser

I know. - Kevin Nunez

when is Google Wave coming invites Gmail users ? - Michael Holzinger

the more money Leo makes the more likely we will have a new studio for TWiT Live soon with 480p stream and downloadable videos and more camera angles and new shows - Mark

Quentin: same here. 3 nominations incoming, no sign from Google... - Holger Eilhard

Kevin Marks: hi there! I'd happy invite @jewelstaite but I'm out of invites, and I'm guessing she's busy with lots of other things. :) - Matt Cutts

Innovation needs promotion. Ashton and Oprah aren't here yet - Johnny

Follow @larsras and @twephanie on twitter for updates regarding invites and stuff for Wave - Kashif Khan

we care about wave but Tech Guy audience radio doesn't - Mark

Do you watch TWiT or listen to TWiT? - Debi Jones

listen - Kevin Nunez

That wasn't Matt, that was me! - Jeff Harbert

I watch live every day and use ODTV if I miss shows - Mark

And then you can control your users to avoid the flood - Johnny

@Mark, what's the ODTV url? - notagolfer

notagolfer: odtv.me - Holger Eilhard

http://odtv.me - Gabe

Johnny: Let's figure out the user exp first before they make it mainstream. Wave doesn't fit their model where they choose to broadcast but not engage. - James Williams

James: Additionally it creates a hype... It's all like Gmail again :) - Holger Eilhard

Usually if I miss a show, I keep watching live.twit.tv, I like serendipity of it :) - notagolfer

How about live streaming in a Wave? That could revolutionize TWiT. - Jeff Harbert

but I bet within a year or two TWiT live has 480p streaming and downloads - Mark

But if I run my own server... Can't I control who joins? - Johnny

mark - sooner than that - Leo Laporte

Jeff: I would think so, I've seen group viewing in a wave (start/stop/ff/rewind of videos was synchronized and allowed video comments) - James Williams

RSSCloud too don't forget - Mark

What's the current resolution of TWIT? - tytycoon

@Leo: will it those videos be available on Roku only, or I can watch them on XBox as well? - notagolfer

Leo will there be one day an official goggle wave server for the TWiT community? - Mark

xbox, yahoo tvs, iphone, etc etc. - Leo Laporte

Smilar to how we have our own twitter at Army.twit.tv - Mark

BitGravity stream is 640x360... - Holger Eilhard

Leo, awesome, and thank you for doing that - notagolfer

soon as we can Mark - Leo Laporte

Thanks, Holger - tytycoon

Leo: are your streams working on Ustream's iPhone app? Someone was asking about that. - Robert Scoble

So I can have my own hosted BSS style Wave Server. Controlled, on topic and sharing - Johnny

yes robert - we're one of the recommended iphone ustream feeds - Leo Laporte

Robert, yes - Johnny

Robert: They are I've watched it on Ustream's Iphone client - tytycoon

Yup they work, but they buffer a lot. At least on my iphone - Roberto Bonini

works surprisingly well - even on 3g - Leo Laporte

Oh cool. Guess I can reinstall the ustream app then... - Holger Eilhard

it buffers only one or two times an hour for me on my home wifi-n - Mark

I can't imagine using it on 3g; I've been using Wifi - tytycoon

thanks for clearing some stuff up - love the 'signed' address idea! - Leonieke Aalders

tytycoon: probably not so good on AT&T's 3G ;-) - Holger Eilhard

twit.am buffers for me on 3g lol, 64K a second or something - Mark

Is there a UStream app for the Blackberry? - Jeff Harbert

Cool! I was using the iPhone app to watch the Twitter Conference. It worked pretty well, but some times dropped (on AT&T's 3G). - Robert Scoble

Jeff: yeah, buy an iPhone. :-) - Robert Scoble

I'm on Roger's in Canada. - tytycoon

Also, in a social media sense, there is now a space free from Facebook style ToS - Johnny

And with that I've gotta run, great show. - Robert Scoble

Robert: I had an iPhone. I need a real keyboard. - Jeff Harbert

It's not as bad dropped-calls-wise. But is very expensive - tytycoon

I'm amazed by Leo & Robert's ability to manage three conversations in realtime on Wave, Friendfeed, Twit.tv, etc. - Jérôme

Later Robert! - Jeff Harbert

ADD helps doing that :) - notagolfer

Jerome: drugs! :-) - Robert Scoble

More specifically: caffeine! - Robert Scoble

Robert: I don't need caffeine to feed my ADD ;-) - Holger Eilhard

and one for TWiT - screw Huffington post! - Mark

I need the stimulation to keep from falling asleep. ;-) - Leo Laporte

... in 1 place - Johnny

Leo and Robert have lots of big screen to look at - Kevin Marks

14 screens right now and one more coming. - Leo Laporte

will future wave users pick&choose what they want, and not be inundated by all that is on offer? - Leonieke Aalders

you have to come to the cottage Kevin. - Leo Laporte

Leo: And here I am thinking about getting a third 22" monitor. - Jeff Harbert

Hehe, I can barely handle the 4 monitors here. - Andrew Euell

22" how quaint - Mark

Leo: I love the irony of you calling it a cottage but have 14 screens. - James Williams

I should plug my TV into the Mac while I'm doing this at home... - Kevin Marks

Gmail new feature http://mail.google.com/support... (not a fan) - Jérôme

Does having more monitors really improve your productivity? - tytycoon

Mark: It's the sweet spot for pricing. Quite a bit less $$$ than 24". - Jeff Harbert

Oh Leo was your father on radio in Providence? - Andrew Euell

I'm loving how Jeff Jarvis is thinking about the X PRIZE model for collaborative innovation. Here's his post on the subject he just discussed http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009... We're really trying to get that thought process out there. - Mark Krynsky

When im coding at work, multiple monitors are awesome !!! - Kashif Khan

tytycoon: It does for me. - Jeff Harbert

tytycoon yes i personally think that having 2 monitors does increase productivity - John Atkinson

Mark: I had dual 24s at my last job. My 22s at home feel almost the same. - Jeff Harbert

can you get full HD resolution on any monitors smaller than 30" ? - Mark

2560x1600 - Mark

Mark: My 24 Dell has 1920x1280... which is more than full HD :-) - Holger Eilhard

well I mean super full HD then - Mark

I have a 23" LCD in my living room that does 1080p. - Jeff Harbert

22" monitor + magnifying glass - Preternat (Ken Cadby)

Wave is the back end - Johnny

Kevin is right. I'm excited about having my news curated by my social graph. Here's a service that is providing that info based on links created by who I follow on Twitter http://www.twittertim.es/krynsky - Mark Krynsky

New on TWiT - This Week in Wave! - Jeff Harbert

I like that. A DNS for knowledge. - Roberto Bonini

one thing that Wave is really good for is setting up quickie impromptu polls during a taping. - James Williams

Welcome to the Social - Johnny

Jeff Jarvis Loves that Bit.ly stat - tytycoon

My first Wave widget will probably be called Marcel :-) http://tinyurl.com/yc7ym23 - Quentin Stafford-Fraser

1" monitor + microscope - Preternat (Ken Cadby)

you don't need microscope, they include spare set of eyes - notagolfer

What's the URL for Every, the company in Seattle, WA who looks for their stories through Twitter? - shelter watch

surely bit.ly shouldn't be in the referrer if they are 301ing correctly? @mattcutts? - Kevin Marks

Thanks Gina... awesome - Johnny

That's really cool; I didn't know it was free for individuals and small buisness users - tytycoon

Excellent tip about using Gmail to host a private domain mail account. Here's the link http://smarterware.org/3628... - Mark Krynsky

Bring Henry - shelter watch

WoW Economics 101 - Johnny

yeah that "Old Pakistan" comment didnt compute here either - Kashif Khan

I find that by the end of this show I always have a million links open from both the chat and the show. What do you folks use to organize these things? Read it later? http://www.ideashower.com/ideas... - tytycoon

Oh gosh, Dvorak was right about Bing, Yahoo and Google... :) - Holger Eilhard

Mmm, new metrics.. - Matt Cutts

Or something better? - tytycoon

I like the Brit's explanation the best .. Google Wave is lots of "little bits". LOL - BLOGBloke

1+1 not necessarily equals 2 :) - Holger Eilhard

Johnny better lesson than high school econ classes? - Andrew Euell

May be people are tired of Bing's ads - notagolfer

tytycoon - Instapaper.com is good or create a readitlater tag for Delicious or another social bookmarking service. - Mark Krynsky

We're just serving it up on a silver platter for Leo and the gang to talk about. :) - Matt Cutts

Mark Pilgrim does 'this week in HTML5' http://blog.whatwg.org/categor... - Kevin Marks

I believe the Google toolbelt launched in May, before Bing did their redesign/relaunch. - Matt Cutts

Mark Krynsky: Thanks; I'll try that out. - tytycoon

Bing...those commercials creep me out. - James Williams

http://ribbit.com/wave for more info about Ribbit on Wave and a link to our API specs - Kevin Marks

Great show! Glad that Jeff is doing well, too. - Matt Cutts

Glad I caught TWiG this week! - Jeff Harbert

Thanks Leo! Great show! - Holger Eilhard

Nice show - notagolfer

Excellent show - John Atkinson

This Show always makes me happy! Thanks Leo! - tytycoon

They're gonna be saying the same thing about Google Wave like they did Twitter - "So what the hell is this thing anyway?" - BLOGBloke

when is the video going up? - James Williams

Leo, you can leave a cardboard cutout of you - live from Dubai :) - notagolfer

I'll do the show! - Jeff Harbert

video always takes an hour or two to trim and post - Kevin Marks

Thanks everybody, great as usual! This thread looks far better here than in Wave, actually (a huge mess). - Jérôme

Leo, do you need to do an ad for this show? - Johnny

Nice one Johnny....perhaps a PSA for FFundercats? - Mark Krynsky

Nah... we're good :) - Johnny

I'm out. Thanks everyone! - Jeff Harbert

But did that include paying hosts? - Johnny

Awesome...congrats Leo. - Mark Krynsky

thx Kevin. - James Williams

Can I guard the TWiT War Chest? - Johnny

Maybe the IRS will read that you only make $1 per year and adjust your 1040 accordingly! - shelter watch

You're not menacing enough sans beard Johnny. - Mark Krynsky

The good thing about GoToMeeting... the other person doesn't need to know how to use stuff like Wave... which will be an issue :) - Johnny

I used GoToMeeting for tech support for my family; that twig free trial came in handy - tytycoon

I miss the Gilmor Gang being here. - Debi Jones

Nice! Not just changing communication, but access to it - Johnny

Anyone have a wave invite they're willing to part with? After all this, I feel left out of the whole thing. - tytycoon

When and how will you grow your programming/content offers, Leo? - Debi Jones

All this in 18 minutes? Will we be able to watch it online after you've given your speech? - shelter watch

Doesn't TED post all their stories online at ted.com - tytycoon

tytycoon if you just can't wait, some people are selling invites on ebay. - Debi Jones

I'll take a look at that, Debi - tytycoon

TED has a youtube channel. - Debi Jones

Let us know we all follow you on twitter - Rick

Did you have to sign a contract since you're doing it pro bono? - shelter watch

i saw an invite on ebay for $30 a couple days ago - Preternat (Ken Cadby)

Tummel Talk pilot was a great show Leo - John Atkinson

nothing like gmail invites years ago - Preternat (Ken Cadby)

Leo, do you plan on going to BlogWorld after you return from Dubai? - Mark Krynsky

How about This Week in Philanthropy? How to use the Internet & social media for fund raising, etc. - shelter watch

Will you ever do a show or shows for enterprise tech? - Debi Jones

Leo - loved today's show - too bad I don't have an invite to Google Wave. Their product launches suck. - joebrooks

I like it. I can't always watch live being here in Oz - Johnny

Get Cranky Geeks? - Rick

Yeah need TWiT on demand. - Debi Jones

Debi, iTunes offers that. - Mark Krynsky

And TWiT will soon - Johnny

Thanks Mark would prefer on demand through browser. - Debi Jones

Fantastic. I look forward to seeing you there. Streaming to HT set top boxes will be great. I'm enjoying PlayOn on my PS3 - Mark Krynsky

Will you be dressing up for the Oct 31st Twig? - joebrooks

joebrooks their launches are like the usual marketing-driven, mass-hoopla ones in the industry - Preternat (Ken Cadby)

er, *aren't - Preternat (Ken Cadby)

If you search ted.com for tedx, They do have a few talks from that conference, so hopefully you'll come through on that, Leo - tytycoon

Leo have you sorted your guests for your Windows 7 Launch Party? - John Atkinson

Leo you mentioned partnering to distribute content? Have you considered CNET Live, like syndicating their shows? - Andrew Euell

It's 9am here :) - Johnny

are you doing any talkshoe anymore Leo? - Matthew

I got up early on Sunday - Johnny

Debi, you can get TwiT on demand from a browser. Here's a link to the latest one http://twit.tv/twit - Mark Krynsky

Leo would like to talk to you someday about a show that would be a good fit for the network. - Debi Jones

Cool. Thanks, Mark! - Debi Jones

anyone have a link to Jeff's data on Google up Bing down? - Moose

Can we have a camera strapped to Ozzy? :P - Johnny

Not all operators allow tethering. - Debi Jones

for Moose: http://gs.statcounter.com/press... - Derek Chilcoat

ok to be hated by the right people - Preternat (Ken Cadby)

(whoops, sorry) - Preternat (Ken Cadby)

Thanx Derek! - Moose

Seriously, who could hate Leo. He's warm and fuzzy. - Debi Jones

np :) - Derek Chilcoat

people that hate warm & fuzzy - Preternat (Ken Cadby)

Hae you tried Nimbuzz? - Debi Jones

how long does it take you to go from this live stream to the audio that you put out over youtube? - tytycoon

Leo, last week I got myself a yoga ball chair... and I fell off it: http://friendfeed.com/jworthi... - Johnny

too slow - Ron Hudson

Leo, have you ever tried to Skype with someone who is in China for the live stream? Wonder if there would be any network issues doing a stream from China. - Debi Jones

Tease: Today on TWiG: wave wave and nothing but wave. Marshal Kirkpatrick, Kevin Marks, join our rgulars Gina Trapani and Jeff Jarvis to take a look at Google Wave. Everything's shiny captain, This Week In Google is coming up next - Leo Laporte

No wonder you have so many hats in your studio. You had to wear them all! - shelter watch

Watched your ONA speech, it was excellent. Makes me wonder why you're not on more tech conference speaker rosters? - Debi Jones

That is pretty epic data transfers with the flash drives. Did you ever have any problems with backing up? have you ever lost a show? - tytycoon

Josh and I use dropbox and we take turns each week to edit. Juggling time for that with family and work is tough - Johnny

I think Fibre Chanel for just a few stations is VERY over rated. ISCSI or NFS is quite enough if properly designed, and a fraction of the cost. - kevin

I love dropbox. I use it for everything - tytycoon

Leo, I was wondering if you should have single 'After Hours' post on twit-conversations so we don't fill show threads with off-topic chat - Johnny

I thought you were moving to a storefront? - shelter watch

This cottage looks so much nicer than what I imagine a storefront would be - tytycoon

That's a lovely, historic location that you are in now. I love architecture history. - shelter watch

Business... YOU'RE DOING IT RIGHT - Johnny

Nice tradeoff for your organization: venture capital vs. a lot more discretion for you. - shelter watch

Remember the Dave Ramsey rule of 3-6months overhead in the bank! - Rick

Oh god, that sounds horrible - tytycoon

in exchange for plugging carbonite do they give you free backup for twit? - tytycoon

They always say to do something for work that you would do for free if you had to because you LOVE it. - shelter watch

Your radio show is "the tech guy", right? - tytycoon

Passion is a good thing - Johnny

Spend an extra 10% rather than another 100% - Johnny

Johnny good idea for after hours thread. - Debi Jones

The clock behind Leo shows when it's live. - Allen Christensen

That's a good point, Allen - tytycoon

I still watched every day :) - Johnny

But I see it as a Call For Help type if show so it fits with TWiT... I like listening when I have listened to everything else - Johnny

anything special planned for the dubai radio show? - tytycoon

Leo, how about this week in Linux? - Ron Hudson

Calacanis - Johnny

isn't FLOSS kind of like that? - tytycoon

Can GW invites be purchased on Ebay like Google Voice? - Johann Diaz from Nambu

Ya I guess, but it needs linux in the name lol - Ron Hudson

Yeah, but they're about $30, johann - tytycoon

Thanks Leo. - Johnny

Leo I wouldn't worry if Ozzy isn't over weight. Duck does have alot of fat though. - Debi Jones

Thanks, Leo. Have a good night - tytycoon

Lololololol, no invites left heh - Johann Diaz from Nambu

I quess $30 is nit bad if you can actually use this to be productive. Thanks tytycoon - Johann Diaz from Nambu

Finally getting a chance to listen to this... Just to clarify, Wave is not really extension to XMPP per se. The federation protocol between Wave servers is XMPP based, but the client-server communication (in this case the communication between your browser and the Wave server) isn't using XMPP. I believe that at the moment it's a proprietary format for exchanging JSON. There's some discussion both on Wave and in Google Groups about standardization, but it's distinct from server-server federation right now. - Ken Sheppardson

I've created a wave for upcoming TWIG 12, feel free to join if you have a wave account... https://wave.google.com/wave... - Jörg Reinhardt

Always an odd thing to find my avatar stuck in someone else's screenshot. Thanks, Steve Gillmor. :) - Louis Gray

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Wow, and Steve Gilmore can sure turn a phrase, also: "I still can’t get past the reality that when Twitter farts, FriendFeed becomes a complete and total gasbag." It goes downhill from there. - Rex Hammock

Rex Hammick - Steve Gillmor

I didn't understand a damn thing in that post. - Matt Ruiz

I think Steve needs to stock up on Activia. - Dave Winer

What's ironic is the content of the screenshot and Louis's avatar :-) (Last I heard, Louis is liberal) - Jesse Stay

what is activia dave? - Steve Gillmor

I don't get it. - Kimber Scott

get what Kimber - Steve Gillmor

oh, well, that's never happened before :) - Steve Gillmor

holden: can u splain the activia ref? - Steve Gillmor

The whole article, Steve. Why does he blame FriendFeed? Is it like blaming Drew's cancer, or something? And why anyone thinks Twitter is better than this is beyond me. (Just realized you're the Steve who wrote it.) Still don't get it. Why do you think Twitter is better? - Kimber Scott

Kimber: Where do I say Twitter is better. It just is. And FriendFeed brings out whatever that is. - Steve Gillmor

Steve - Twitter is better at giving voice to teeth whitening moms and life coaches. You can't use Twitter without using some sort of third-party thing. (I use Tweetdeck and FF.) I much prefer spending my time here and checking in there. I have my rooms here. I don't have to click on anything to see a picture. I can talk as long as I want in one post. Liking is much better than RTing and... more... - Kimber Scott

That was funniest Gilmor post I've read. Read it three times and still trying to understand the point but it was great. - manielse (Mark Nielsen)

Yeah. Yet another journalist who doesn't know how to use FF. Why do I think this? B/c in his screenshot Louis or Robert were telling him how to use it! haha. - anna sauce

No offense, Steve, but I'd like someone with a big following to review FriendFeed who actually knows how to use it. Perhaps the ease-of-use is way past these folks? I doubt it. Or whip out the old "I don't have time/ I have a job." Yet, these people spend their time reviewing, and using, technology. So.... still unclear on why the non-power-users are reviewing it. - anna sauce

As I said, I'm not a geek and I had no trouble figuring FriendFeed out. It's really not that hard. Really. Actually, it's easier than Twitter. First: You don't have to figure out what it's for. You "get it" right away. It's obviously a communication tool. Second: if you want to jump in on a conversation, which you can actually have on FriendFeed, and as I did with this one, you don't... more... - Kimber Scott

anna I am a power user. Kimber I love FriendFeed but also know why it exists. How hard is it to understand that there is a hugely dynamic symbiotic relationship between the two platforms, dominated by Twitter's reach and FF's depth. Holden, the point was to communicate, which it definitely is doing. And even developers like Dave choose not to explain some of what they write. Activia means what? - Steve Gillmor

Activia is a company that makes yogurt that aids in getting the bowels flowing... - Ryan

So, Steve, what you're saying then is there is a symbiotic relationship between a parasite on a pimple on an ass and a body as a whole? That seems like a one way relationship to me and it doesn't reflect kindly on FriendFeed. So, I guess what I don't get, getting back to my original comment, is how you can love FriendFeed and still call it a parasitic ass-pimple eater. - Kimber Scott from email

Ryan ahh thanks I use Metamucil when I have that problem, but this piece came easily - Steve Gillmor

Kimber it's a reference to the original post, and it represents a size relationship in the post Oprah Twitterscape. And one organism's pimple is another's home sweet home. I love host and tenant, one more than the other -- which you'll have to ask elsewhere for the "answer." - Steve Gillmor

Couldn't you just blame Friendfeed once and be done with it in under 140 chars? - ianf ⌘

is anyone else wondering where gillmor gets off not googling things for himself? steve... double click the word, right click it, and do the search google option in the context menu... i really is that simple - Chris Heath

Guess it's nice that you think you're a power user, but you haven't really shown here that you are. Upset with the "gasbag" of FF? Follow new people. Create lists. Get off the main feed. Trim your subscriptions. You can't complain about the content (well, I can) unless you either know the various ways around it. Then you can complain. Otherwise, it just seems that you, like most of the people reviewing FF, have no idea how to use it. - anna sauce

This whole thread is one the funniest things I have read in a long time, including the post that started it all! Thanks to everyone. - frankiecarl

Unfortunately Steve is right, if Twitter goes down, the quality of realtime information in FF decreases... it is still the best client for Twitter but sharing and discovery still happens first on the fail whale network - Alberto Saavedra from Nambu

Holy smokes! I agree w/Frankiecarl, this is hilarious. - Mark Evans from iPhone

I commented on Steve's article, because I felt there was way more he could have written about the actual problem, the DDoS attack. However, there is one thing that bugs even me sometimes. It's one thing to have the best platform amongst social media, but it needs to be demonstrated in times like this. Needs a few more people using the strengths of FF to do a bit of citizen journalism. - George Hall (Australia)

Alberto, that's exactly my concern in the future as Friendfeed grows. As mass mainstream enters, quality the way we think of it decreases to Twitter Trending Topics. - manielse (Mark Nielsen)

ianf: no. anna: what makes you think gasbag is not a term of endearment? George: it's really simple, FF's fault. Chris: I don't use search except as a spell checker, and I trust Dave WIner's spelling implicitly. - Steve Gillmor

This is a hysterical thread in response to one of the funniest posts i've read in a long time. the stuff about Steve not Googling for himself...that's just rockin' funny. thx for the laugh. I needed it. - Karoli

ff's fault only in that they don't always take opportunities to demonstate FF in such times NOT for what's happened. - George Hall (Australia) from BuddyFeed

how could you possibly know what happened. Me, I Blame FriendFeed - Steve Gillmor

Why is Blame always capitalized? I feel like I'm missing out on something. - Jonathan Langdale

Why, Steve? Why? What did FriendFeed do? I shouldn't even respond to this silly post anymore. It's almost like you're an artist who's painted a mess and is being vague about it with the hope that people might get the impression it must really "mean" something. Twitter goes down from a DOS attack and you Blame FriendFeed, but you love FriendFeed. You sound like my ex-husband. - Kimber Scott from email

Alberto, when Twitter went down, my FriendFeed folks continued to serve me quality contents. Really. - Thierry R. Andriamirado

Steve, your article made perfect sense to me. Sorry others didn't agree. It's clear that the tweetstream is the core of FF's value to most people, even if FF has oodles of other features that we "native" FFers get a lot more mileage out of. - Daniel J. Pritchett

Well said, Daniel. - anna sauce

Daniel: wasn't too hard, was it. thx - Steve Gillmor

i'm a tad inebriated, but still... wha? if twitter is the be all end all of online communications then we're f'd... seriously (in an inebriated kind of way) - Chris Heath

and by 'be all end all' i mean 'end all be all' and by that i mean 'core of FF's value to most people' - Chris Heath

Is it because I've just exited the 25-54 demo and now face the death panel, or does anyone else detect some ageism in comments about Steve's opinions on tech? I noticed it when GG was on Leo's network, too, from commenters who needed to teach the old men about things only a gen-xer or younger could possibly comprehend. I get it from younger people, too, who KNOW I won't be able... more... - Amyloo

like which comments Amyloo? sometimes stuff like that can be unintentional just because a younger generation's social norms deviate from the past generation and your perceptions are different than their intentions - misunderstandings and miscommunication are some of the pitfalls that are abound in life (and even more so in online life where there's not facial expression or tone and inflection of voice to give other social weight and cues to our words). - Chris Heath

in regards to steve, his style, and the reactions that his writings and online activities provoke: I think steve is either 1) trying to 'stir the pot' to 'get a rise' out of a certain type of person in a john c dvorak kind of way, 2) maybe he's really just a crotchety old man, and i mean that in the kindest of ways that a stranger can say that about someone or 3) something else -- and i... more... - Chris Heath

chris: I write something, people comment, I comment back. Pot is constantly stirred, doesn't need any extra. some people are trying to inflict damage by calling me old, or fat, or whatever. it usually say more about them since I am 60, fat, and whatever. The ageism thing is subjective: I could outlive all of them or none of them. WHo knows. Their problem, not mine. - Steve Gillmor

cool, fair enough - Chris Heath

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I was thinking about this today - I don't remember 4 or 5 entire tech conferences devoted to just Facebook in a single year. That makes me think something's different about Twitter. Maybe you're right on the reasons - I'm not sure what it is, but Twitter has the celebrity appeal that is drawing more people percentage-wise than Facebook. Interesting to see if Facebook can turn things around (I have faith they will). - Jesse Stay

Jesse: I've talked with dozens of businesses and they all say Facebook isn't working as well for them. - Robert Scoble

Facebook needs to fix the fundamental issues I laid out in that post before businesses will get excited. Hopefully the FriendFeed team can help them there. - Robert Scoble

Twitter is so much more live, fun, exciting, happening! - Marilyn Jansen Lopes

Robert yeah - that's why I was one of the few excited about the FriendFeed acquisition. I think it has the chance to fix those problems. I agree completely. In the meantime I'm going to make Facebook better for business on SocialToo. :-) - Jesse Stay

i think robert's hit it on the head. FB is simply too cumbersome and too information-poor to be of value to businesses; twitter's extreme simplicity ("just" a stream) and ability to be mined make it easy and valuable for businesses to use. i'm on a trip to nyc right now and am amazed at how much local businesses have picked up using Twitter. - empireofno

Sigh, Posterous is still not working for me. Not good. - Robert Scoble

They're out for a beer... - Gus

Posterous is back now. - Gus

Gus: it's still down here. Hmmm. - Robert Scoble

Gus, it's now working again, thanks! - Robert Scoble

Twitter is open to the world. Facebook content is only really fully open if you subscribe. Facebook has an image problem where business is concerned, basically it's perceived to be full of kids wittering on about drunken nights out. Similar opinions could be held about Twitter but successes are easy to see and the 140 character limit also limits the bullshit. Twitter is an old fashioned... more... - Gilbert Harding

It so baffling how such a mess of a site that is USELESS w/out a 3rd party app has such a HUGE adoption rate. On second thought, I blame you guys, Robert & co., for bringing the masses over. Now, no one wants to leave! ;) - Mona Nomura

it's not the site itself that is really the useful part, it's the platform it has become. Actually, I'd venture to say that, since most people still use the web interface, it explains why most people still don't see the power of Twitter. I've always disliked it, but it's success in penetrating...uh...everything cannot be denied. - Rah-PM 2012

The power? What power? Search is ALWAYS borked. #Useless #LOL - Mona Nomura

Maybe power is a little strong, LOL. I've never noticed the search being broken, though. - Rah-PM 2012

@rasheen @mona - it's irrelevant whether the useful part is the site or a third party app. No third party would exists without Twitter. How smart is to let others do the hard work at your place (if you'll be able to make money from this)? ;-) - Markingegno - Donato

Maybe it's the tools I use (or don't use) - pre Gnomedex I had two people monitoring on Tweet Deck, two on Co-Tweet, and Chris would monitor via web...and whatever he uses. We'd STILL have discrepancies. Baffling. - Mona Nomura

:) Meant to comment here..copying text from above. I am a total geek w/ my hands on my keyboard 71% of a 24 hr. day, yet I frequently find myself frustrated w/ FB's extremely non intuitive web interface...Now....that being said ~ today I found myself conversing fast, fluid & furious very Tweet-Like from the new FB iPhone App while lounging at the Pool...Who knows what I'm talking about?... more... - Zaneology

Facebook's design is definitely crap and makes the site a PITA to use for me. Too much going on. - Rah-PM 2012

I think Twitter is super over-hyped. Five to 10 billion? That's way too much, comparing to traditional industries. Take for example Israeli company Iscar (www.iscar.com) that is considered a world leading supplier of precision carbide metal working tools (cutting tools), has billions of dollars in revenues, employs thousands of workers all around the world and reports an average of 15%... more... - Nir Ben Yona

O_O 5-10 BILLION? noooo way.. maybe 550 million at MAX, but no billion dollar ranges. - Kevin Nunez

I agree w/ billion - the entire market is shifting because of social media, led by Twitter. - Mona Nomura

Scobleizer: I could not disagree with you more about "Facebook needs to fix the fundamental issues I laid out in that post before businesses will get excited". Look at companies like Zynga who are making high double digit to low triple digit millions on top of the Facebook platform. Also Playfish, Slide, Playdom, etc. You're just wrong on this one--businesses are already there, and making lots of money. - Eric Florenzano

after years of avoiding it, I broke down and registered for a FB account. the inability for me to choose whatever user name I want is close to a deal breaker for me. But I went ahead and registered anyway. After 30 minutes I got tired of all of the customization and quit. - jbrotherlove

mmm posterous down.. - Ouriel Ohayon

Go you halves Robert - Michael McGimpsey

So far, facebook and twitter have the same problem: monetization (I read your post about Sushi restaurants paying to list coupons next to their mentions in search results which could have some legs but it still needs to be proven). The other problem for twitter is the sign up process: it is still way too hard to find the right people based on your interests and as a result a lot of... more... - Edwin Khodabakchian

Here's my full response: http://staynalive.com/article... - Jesse Stay

Just as AIM was adopted by the masses in the late 90's, Twitter is being adopted now. I think, in the next decade, competing services will arise making Twitter just one service among several status/comment services feeding into a more broad (more robust) platform that has yet to be defined. Just as you can now chat between AIM and Yahoo IM, you'll be able to interact between Twitter and... more... - Gus

I not sure that you're right, Robert. But I'm not sure that you're wrong either. Twitter going for that price would kick off another tech bubble. - Roberto Bonini

I don't think I could ever engage with Twitter in its current form. The reason why businesses and celebrities like it is that it's so simple. The can post updates from their mobile phones and look at their follower count and feel good about themselves being popular. But I doubt that most people see more than 1% of the tweets from the people they follow. I also don't think that they can be worth anything like $5B because they have no assets. - James Myatt

From posterous: Wow.. I completely disagree!! Yes it is good for the duration of a tweet and maybe even the duration of it's search (two weeks), but the entire world doesn't think/work within such a limited window. Yes the twitter environment is successful, but where would twitter be without all the layers and add-ons that actually make it easy to use? You can't (fully) figure that into... more... - Chris Myles

Did anyone else experience this? When I read the title I had this image of Scoble with a Dr. Evil (Austin Powers) voice over.. "Twitter is worth ... 5 BILLION dollars"!! - Chris Myles

we need to wait for the Facebook/FF/Linkedin $1bn revenue IPO before we place that value on Twitter. An FB/FF/LI combination could justify a $10bn IPO in 2010. Twitter can't (yet). - Thomas Power

Robert, this looks way off dude. 'Underhyped', what else is more hyped than Twitter these days? And how did you figure the $5-10 B valuation? It may end up being worth something, but wonder if any businesses actually quantified their ROI of using Twitter. Most seem to be on the bandwagon but fumbling in the dark trying to figure out if it means anything or not. - Nalin Perera

Facebook got a jewel with the FriendFeed acquisition. The ability to create publicly available informaiton and track the social web is there for the taking, if they pursue it. - Hutch Carpenter

Hey Robert, it seems there's a clone of you :P http://www.motogp.com/en... - Massimo MaxKava Cavazzini

@edwk / Edwin, totally agree with you that Twitter has huge issues in the user discovery department without the use of third party tools. It is pretty much inexcusable that they, instead of pushing the foolish "Suggested Users" thing, haven't simply INDEXED THE BIOS to allow (new) users to search over those with a simple searchbox: "What are you interested in? [type a keyword]"... more... - Alex Schleber

Great post Robert, Arrington and Gillmor were already preaching something similar and we definitely need strong Twitter competition now. - Alberto Saavedra

Alex. I did not know about http://TweepSearch.com thanks for the heads up. - Edwin Khodabakchian

This is retarded. How on earth is Twitter worth $5-$10 billion? I see absolutely no evidence of any revenue generating opportunities produced by Twitter. This guy needs to stop drinking the Kool-Aid. - Scott Carmichael

Whether Twitter is worth $5+ billion today is an unfortunate focus here. I pay attention to how attractive Twitter is becoming to small and LOCAL businesses, small organizations, and small events--particularly in these tough economic times. It reminds me a lot of how small scale customers saw Google AdWords when it first became available. It was a breath of fresh air compared to the... more... - Loren Heiny

I think Twitter was stupid to turn down the $500 million offer from facebook. I doubt if Twitter will ever earn that kind of revenue in my lifetime. - Garin Kilpatrick

Because someone needs to get it out of the way... "Screw You Arrington. Screw You!" - Sean Reiser

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yay! - Rasmus Lauridsen

Which Network? - George MacDonald

Excellent news. I've missed the show. TWiT? - No Agenda Forums

Good, good. - Jonathan Brown

Looking forward to it. Always pop new shows to the top of the stack. - Paul Grous

*shudder*.. I hope not... The show wasn't the same by a wide margin when it was on TWiT... - Rasmus Lauridsen

nice one - can't wait to tune in again - pablo

Tremendous news. Looking forward to it. - Mike Doeff

Sweet. - Gillmor Gang was one of my favorite couple hours of the week. Dave and Marshall are doing a nice job over at bad hair day - but I am definitely excited for the return of GG. - andrew

Will it be available for download again? - nick

Excellent. - Jay Cuthrell

Hallelujah! - Dan Weinstein

Show must go on. - Mindaugas Dagys

Truly glad to hear it! Also like the NGL sign on your Twitpic. :) - Karoli

Whooooooooooo----f'king hoooooooooo! It's on my Calendar-in-the-Cloud - Francine Hardaway

More comebacks than Sinatra, yay :-) Will there be a podcast of it too, pretty please for your *fans* that can't make the time schedule? - Scottish Lass

Steve: This is great news! - Jim Connolly

Somebody better update the Wikipedia entry... - Cliff Gerrish

YES! YES! YES! Thank you Steve - this makes me happy! - Michael Pinto

For those on the other side of the planet will you be able to grab the show via RSS - oh I forgot RSS is dead, right? - John Chrisoulakis

So happy GG is coming back (again). Literally the highlight of an otherwise rough day. Don't care what network it's on, as long as Steve gets to herd his intellectually stimulating mix of "cats". Thanks Steve. :) - Dr. Apps from twhirl

Good! - John Wright

yay! Best news of the week! All I guess this an announcement that the Gillmor Gang is dead as well! - Phillip Molly Malone

I might be able to come out of hiding now... we'll see. - Aron Michalski

What a one-two punch. Gillmor serves it up on Thurs aft and the Bad Hair Boys knock it out of the park in the early evening! :-) - Dave Winer

Good news. So who's on the show? - Michael Metz

Probably too much to ask, but for posterity, please repost the GG archives! There, I said it. - Scott Mace

There go my afternoons! - Robert Scoble from iPhone

Will be interesting to see, will Mr. Arrington be participating...lol - Johann Diaz from Nambu

Missed the Gang so much and with the NGL Studio, it will be a tough act to follow for the Bad Hair boys :) #TechThursday FTW - Alberto Saavedra

why wouldn't Arrington be in it sometimes? It really was Leo who was a "take my ball and go home" crybaby - Rasmus Lauridsen

Way to go. Looking forward to it. - Oliver Kohl

YAY!!!!!!!!!!!! - Susan Beebe

This news has made my month! I can't wait... - Chris Aldrich

i'm hoping that timeshifting options will be available - i probably won't ever be able to catch it live - Chris Heath

But, but, but...what about podshow? - Mark Hunter

Very happy to hear this, but I also wonder about RSS support. - Robert

w00t!! - Kevin Nunez

Now that's what I'm talkin' about. - Vezquex

Where can I find it? - Richard South

Steve's back! - Harald Felgner

1. Bots won't come here. - Robert Scoble from iPhone

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I don't get it - Shari Weiss

We'll just sit here and twiddle our thumbs. - Heather Solos

*tap shoes* - Adam Jackson

We can actually get some peace and quiet around here. - Adam Reyher

2. Spammers won't come here. - Robert Scoble from iPhone

3. Scoble won't come here. - jef

uh oh hope I didn't sway you :-) - Brian Hendrickson

*a bot has entered the conversation* - Byron McCollum

That life after death is much better :-) - testtest

3. Late adopters will assume it really is dead. - Robert Scoble from iPhone

No celebs and no ghost writers - Benjamin Taylor

4. Lame companies will stop developing for it's API. - Robert Scoble from iPhone

Ploy to avoid Palin Death Panel. - pourmecoffee

One Gear...Oh that was frightening to see! - Benjamin Taylor

Nope she posted once and that's it, just like Guy Kawasaki. I don't get why people don't get how fun this is - Stephen Pickering

5. Celebrities will post once (hi Demi) and then go back to Twitter. - Robert Scoble from iPhone

FriendFeed can escape the country to avoid taxes now that everyone thinks it's dead - Gary

Have you really declared it dead? You think FB is going to take the bits they want and dismantle the rest? - RobinDotNet from iPhone

People will get interested in this "dead website" and join it. If not ,people already present here will leave and make it really dead. - Ashish

To where, Cayman Islands? - jef

Why do you dislike demi ? - Mark from iPhone

It's BBQ time, Scoble's started drinking - Stephen Pickering

6. Facebook will have a little more time to copy its best features since Google will assume it is dead. - Robert Scoble from iPhone

I don't get it. - Michelle McCormack

I like #5 - shaun mclane

Stephen: I am sober. Not a drink today. - Robert Scoble from iPhone

Scoble will quit tweeting about it. - Photar from iPhone

What a concept! I'd like to send you a list of things to declare dead ... - Bill Brandon from Nambu

Photar, HAHAHAHAHAHHAAHA - Stephen Pickering

Photar: heh! - Robert Scoble from iPhone

Michelle: What don't you get? - Robert Scoble from iPhone

Someone asks the question on Tiny thread "Can we keep Robert Scoble off tinythread?" Scoble shows up and comments - http://a.tinythread.com/2lvfVw9... That made my week Robert. - Benjamin Taylor

Feel free to add me up! http://friendfeed.com/tomit I'm going to keep using it till it's gone!!!! - Sullivan

7. Now none of Scoble's followers will come here and muddy up the place. - Robert Scoble from iPhone

Yes this makes a lot of sense to me and that's why I'm sitting back and ain't goin nowhere. - Jeunelle Foster

How many more reasons does he have yet? - jef

Oh so its like an island, a little haven in the internets - Stephen Pickering

I wiped my shoes at the door. No mud, see? - RobinDotNet from iPhone

jef: I am still thinking of good reasons. - Robert Scoble from iPhone

Just ate, will go walk dogs now, see if I can follow this thread via iPhone - Stephen Pickering

Things you call dead haven't yet got the chance to be born. - Meryn Stol

Shari: what don't you get? - Robert Scoble from iPhone

I guess you really don't like that Facebook bought the company. - jef

Meryn: I had 46,000 followers here before I declared it dead. How many does a service require to be "born?" - Robert Scoble from iPhone

By using FF, is Robert Scoble actually declaring it undead? Does that make it a zombie service? FF of the Living Dead... - RobinDotNet from iPhone

jef: Facebook is a great company but if more than 1/10th of the team is actively working on FriendFeed in four weeks I will give $50 to the American Red Cross. - Robert Scoble from iPhone

Robin: remember what it means when a blogger declares something dead. - Robert Scoble from iPhone

It's....dead? So we're wandering the FF mall looking for brains (and LOLcats)? - WoH: Minding her Steves

Robert, do you mean 1/10th of the FF team, or 1/10th of the FB team? - RobinDotNet from iPhone

What if Facebook starts to promote it and it gets millions of users, then what? hmmmmmm - Stephen Pickering

Steve Gillmor declared Microsoft Office dead and it went onto make billions more dollars. - Robert Scoble from iPhone

Heh: the iPhone misspells Gillmor. I fixed the spelling but now I know why everyone adds an "e" onto it. - Robert Scoble from iPhone

making money and being dead are mutually exclusive - Steve Gillmor

yes I do and yes they are - Steve Gillmor

and FF is most certainlt NOT dead - Steve Gillmor

Well, I think it's dead too. At least, it never became very popular as much as Twitter, did it? - jef

we can use the health care savings to treat twitter addicts - Sherry Reynolds

Steve, will it be integrated into Facebook, and as Robert said, no one actively working on the stand alone site, or do you think the stand alone site will continue to get better? - Stephen Pickering

jef: I get more engagement here than on Twitter and I have gotten many times more new followers here this week than on Twitter. - Robert Scoble from iPhone

Oh, I meant "RSS". - jef

What the hell is wrong with you Robert? FriendFeed is still ticking away; you have no association with it and therefore no right to voice its status. - Mitch

Lots of people became aware of it because Facebook bought it - Stephen Pickering

I should have clearly pointed "RSS". I wasn't referring to FriendFeed. - jef

See!, thanks PJ, what do you think so far? - Stephen Pickering

FF of the living dead....what we need is Jesus....he can resurrect us - Jeunelle Foster

Mark Zuckerberg = Jesus - Stephen Pickering

jef: my favorite Tweets come here via RSS. Both are definitely dead! - Robert Scoble from iPhone

He's more like Beelzebub to me in the matter of FriendFeed. I mean "Zuckerberg". - jef

40.5% of tweets are pointless babble. what is the ratio of comments on this thread? - Sherry Reynolds

Well, I'm quite a Twitter guy. But, yeah, RSS is definitely dead or dying. - jef

we are exercising the power of social media, even if it's pointless - Jeunelle Foster

FriendFeed couldn't get traction. They've married some folks who know how to get traction. And Facebook's married some folks who know how to do real time. Both services will benefit, and so will the "users" or "sharecroppers" - Stephen Pickering

If RSS weren't dead why would Dave WIner be rebooting it? If Office isn't dead why would MS be moving to the cloud? - Steve Gillmor

But Office on the Cloud is still Office, no? - Stephen Pickering

not so far Stephen. eventually sure. What's the micromessage reader in Office called? - Steve Gillmor

Hmmmmm, I don't know. I don't use office. Or do you jest? :) - Stephen Pickering

deadly serious :) - Steve Gillmor

Sherry: who cares? We are all dead! ;-) - Robert Scoble from iPhone

What is micromessage reader BTW? - jef

you're looking at one jef - Steve Gillmor

If others think it's dead, perhaps that's good - take a look at these http://scienceblogs.com/waltatr... and http://friendfeed.com/waltcra... and http://scienceblogs.com/waltatr... - Bora Zivkovic

You mean you are a piece of software in Office, Steve? - jef

Damn, must go walk dogs, and don't remember my FriendFeed password so can't log onto it from iPhone - Stephen Pickering

no jef, FF is a micromessage reader (among other things) - Steve Gillmor

Okay, then does Office have one in its suite? (Didn't know) - jef

not that I'm aware of - Steve Gillmor

feels like I'm being mocked here, but what the hell? ;) - jef

Who's doing the mocking? I rebuke them in the name of Jesus - Jeunelle Foster

not mocking you, follow the thread. Pickering asked whether Office in cloud will be Office, I said not until it has a micromessage reader. - Steve Gillmor

Oh, sorry. Missed the one. Thanks! - jef

I'm too drunk for this thread. *forms conga line* <-----srsly on FriendFeed in club at anime convention!!! XD - CannonGod from iPhone

The whole "RSS is dead" is a broad sweeping statement positioned to get a rise, and meaningless without context. Why? How? What exactly does that mean "RSS is dead" Its usefulness serves people, then its very much alive. - Benjamin Taylor

Well, I said "RSS is dead" in a view point of consumer. Do you know anyone what RSS means or does? - jef

the context defines the meaning. It means that RSS has moved from a disruptive technology to a mature one, and is now being disrupted in turn by micromessaging - Steve Gillmor

Makes complete sense, in that context. I had a different understanding of the meaning behind that statement. - Benjamin Taylor

understandable given the noise from those who want to attack the messenger - Steve Gillmor

The best thing? It's somehow reassuring to see just how passionate the FFish subset of folks is about community. - Kathy Fitch

yes Kathy, by contrast FF continues to disrupt, and particularly a willing Facebook. - Steve Gillmor

WIll have something to say about that RSN Bill - Steve Gillmor

Is RSS a zombie now? or is it still too early to tell... by the way, dead = no productivity innovation happening, imho - Alberto Saavedra from Nambu

So "dead thing" is like "no more innovations from a certain service or product"? - jef

google RSS is Dead for what I actually said - Steve Gillmor

sorry RSS Rest in Peace - Steve Gillmor

You mean Google Reader? - jef

You did????? - Roberto Bonini from iPhone

I use ZGoogle reader almost not at all these days, but that not what I said. - Steve Gillmor

I did what Roberto - Steve Gillmor

google as a verb.. Gee, feels like I'm becoming some kinda Troll here. Didn't mean to but, sorry about that anyway. - jef

you're doing fine, jef. relax - Steve Gillmor

BTW, what kind of understanding did you have on "RSS is dead", Ben? Just out of curiosity. - jef

Steve: Nothing. I was asking Robert :) Its news to me that he said that. I think this is the early adopter's early adopter's view. - Roberto Bonini from iPhone

Robert didn't declare FF dead in the title to this post. He's giving a list of implications of it being "declared dead by Scoble." It's a subjunctive use of the phrase - something imagined, a thought experiment. - Nick in Manila

Ah. Right. I think there is life in the old girl yet.... - Roberto Bonini from iPhone

9. You can move back in with your blog. Ya'll can get married and live happily ever after. - Stephen Pickering

That is good... Robert's back to blogging thing didint last very long.... - Roberto Bonini from iPhone

not dead, but honnestly it will make some return to coding and this is good. - abdellah

So RSS is dead, Twitter is about to be pronounced dead, and Robert Scoble is declaring FriendFeed "dead". What would we have then? - jef

Blogging. Which, really? Also dead. I think all we have left is wikis, email, and cocktail napkins. - Sean Gallagher

Honestly. Declaring something "dead" because it doesn't have that new-car-smell anymore, and somebody's trying to, heaven forbid, *commercialize it* is just a sign of tech-ADD. CORBA was supposed to be dead, but it's still alive. COBOL was supposed to be dead, but MicroFocus is still making money. Hell, even DOS isn't dead, or filesharing, or the music industry, or old media. They just don't have that magical infinite potential of the blank piece of paper anymore. - Sean Gallagher

However....Friendster? Dead. :D - Sean Gallagher

@Sean by that definition, punch cards aren't dead. http://www.wired.com/wired... (their site is http://www.cardamation.com/ ) - mjc

Punch cards are a valid storage format. I bet I could do RSS on punchcards. - Sean Gallagher

Sean: Rss benefited at the beginning of this cycle, and it made a huge difference. This is happening now with realtime. Your last sentence would only be improved by removing the word "just." Don't know what the "commercialized" reference means, nothing wrong with any of this making money. Oh and the music industry -- that's just plain dead. - Steve Gillmor

Yeah EMI is going to default, as media say. - jef

:-))First time that I can enjoy the dead ,Today I checked the new tools of Google reader and they are doing well ,,, Wave is coming and we can all feel it - Johni Fisher

dead or alive who cares. - Pam Gwenzi

The Create a bundle to share is the first step for the real time RSS that is dead 2 - Johni Fisher

the last time the music industry died, the Beatles showed up - Steve Gillmor

bundles should incorporate OPML - Steve Gillmor

"the last time the music industry died, the Beatles showed up - Steve Gillmor " I'm ready for the Beatles!! Bring 'em on! - Amy Flynn

wondering when gwave is going to be dead - Jim Posner

Ashton, Oprah and Ellen will finally sign up. - Erik Boles

Jim, it needs to be alive first :-) so, anytime after October or whenever KISS apps arrive to Wave platform - Alberto Saavedra

Zombies, says @RobinDotNet? We have ways of dealing with zombies, both on a computer system and in real life. (wonder if the new Tron remake will have zombie processes...) - Don Faulkner from BuddyFeed

Declaring it dead means we all feel sorry for it, and use it all the more! (resurrection syndrome) - Technogran

FF..please don't die=( - ciw

It is far from dead. But we will not get all the Bots and the security issues that Twitter has - Rob Cairns

Hey I wanna Sue FacePOOP fer Giving me da Boot! Can U recommend a Razor Sharp Lawyer!! - Billy Warhol

i stopped recommending friendfeed. This place is just way too cool to share it with others ;) - Sascha Pallenberg

a collapse into FB by FF beyond feature cherry picking would seem rather myopic... think FB Labs to foil Google Labs and push leading edge adoption that is a safe distance from the close fisted FB silo -- sizzle and promise at a controlled feature grafting rate - Jay Cuthrell from BuddyFeed

Congrats Jason! I am taking notes from #twist and @leolaporte, keep dodging the arrows. #techcrunch50 - David Stratton

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Thank you for sponsoring #twist @Audible_com is what my mother is getting for her birthday next week. - David Stratton

@jasoncalacanis Imagine our disbelief! ;) "You Need to Be a Little Crazy" looks cool: http://denise.howell.net/crazy - Denise Howell

I'm working on a "Homework" jingle for you. - Doug Chase from twhirl

Awesome, looking forward to listen to Accidental Billionaires, would the next one be in this year's #techcrunch50 - Alberto Saavedra

Grats! now if you could broker a deal where we get the homework books stupidly cheap *cough cough free* it would be perfect :-P - Rasmus Lauridsen

yes!:) - K.D.

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A crowdsourced company. Don't we call that the government? ;) - Sean Powell

Dave... we have been considering this idea for a number of years, but I think that pulling it together requires more than a geek-army or an open-source collaborative ethos. 'Open' is a mind-set, not a movement... and great egalitarian strategies are possibly best not to be collectively authored, or you can find yourself in the middle of a mega-committee. Its a conundrum... But we are happy to share insights. - Simon Edhouse

Dave/Simon: someone will do it. Why not get started now? - Jason Cronkhite

Totally agree... the core idea that Dave is putting forward has been my 24/7 passion since 2006... and maybe Twitter & Friendfeed (RIP) are going to prove to be catalytic forces for this idea. Certainly Dave is a lot more accessible nowdays... ;) - Simon Edhouse

Simon, maybe with Dave's help we can form a community trust and put the thing together. :-) - Jason Cronkhite

Simon it would not be like that. I'll write a follow-up post. - Dave Winer

I would like to understand the financial vehicles to do this. Simon, I also agree that there has to be a structure that allows for users interests to be aligned with business growth for their benefit and the founders. Too often what happens when investors step in for pure financial return is the goal becomes focused on how to turn the company, "the exit", and not on building a sustainable company to enrich lives of the user base. - Jason Cronkhite

well... to quote Robert Burns, "The best laid plans of mice and men often go astray"... Firstly I totally agree with Dave's other post (i.e. "Rex, you're making it too complicated..") where he outlines the structure of the Public Company... no problem there. I have reasoned out the same model some time ago. - I see it like a series of check-boxes that have to be ticked... and probably... more... - Simon Edhouse

Understand & agree for the most part. RE: BIG IDEA, don't know if it really has to be earth moving all the time but rather something that enough users can stand to benefit from both of using the product and financially. Simon, how about publishing your checklist and trying to get a following around the movement? - Jason Cronkhite

The BIG IDEA is crucial... once you see it, you can't stop thinking about it, and that's what is needed to get massive buy-in. - "get a following around a movement" No... I can't drum that up. I am too small a fish, and not living in a VC hotspot. Dave's the man, if he can control his notorious crankiness (we love you Dave)... However, yes, I can add-value, but who am I? Dave has started to pull together this particular cosmic dust cloud. Let's see if he can truly lead it. - Simon Edhouse

The crowdcorp concept is the way to go, now how do we make it happen? It is tough to manage efficiently the requirements of a community - Alberto Saavedra from Nambu

RE: BIG IDEA, maybe so - maybe not...remains to be seen. RE: you're not the one, it takes powers of 2, lots of passion, determination and as Seth Godin would say a Tribe. Sure, Dave may be one to press the issue forward but this notion requires an ARMY. Dave, maybe you can enlist Scoble and the Building43 community to push this effort. - Jason Cronkhite

[edit] ...There are those on the web that are captivated by their own notoriety, as if being involved in social-networks is a popularity contest. - It isn't. If this project idea falls into the hands of the 'lime-light-seekers', who seem to have short attention cycles, it will rapidly go off-course. (that's my own personal view) - Simon Edhouse

Ah, Simon. I understand you but, this is where the Power of 2 comes in so handy (you need both - the Edhouse's & Scoble's). Keeping people on course and captivated require different talents. Maybe Scoble & Winer are perfect balances. Maybe it's others but more importantly, you need all shapes, colors and credes to do something like this and the power of collective intelligence and influence. - Jason Cronkhite

LOL... maybe we need a Jason Cronkhite too - Simon Edhouse

Its a jigsaw puzzle... but, like those super tricky huge jigsaw puzzle's, to complete it, someone needs to have the picture that encapsulates the final vision. - Simon Edhouse

Agreed Simon! I'm willing to help. - Jason Cronkhite

OK... next we need a money person... who gets it. Someone who can resource this... Its not going to go anywhere much till that person steps up. - Simon Edhouse

They are around. I forwarded a pointer to my piece today with a guy I'm working with on another project. - Dave Winer

Cool Dave. Let's keep the conversation going. I would love to see this happen. - Jason Cronkhite

I have detailed Info-memorandum type docs, and have sent overviews to John Nesheim (http://www.nesheimgroup.com/) who has given the core-ideas his thumbs-up, and offered to introduce me to VCs etc... John is a great guy, very smart and accessible. We had a long Skype chat a while ago... he gets it. - Simon Edhouse

Fantastic Simon! Are VC's really what's needed 1st? - Jason Cronkhite

VCs are probably exactly not what's needed as they (generally) are always thinking of their exit, and being risk-averse by nature they tend to look for 'me-too' plays... (projects that have successful precedents in the marketplace) ... No, an Angel Investor is what's needed. But there still has to be a killer Business Model as money people are always in the business of making more... more... - Simon Edhouse

Not to get ahead of ourselves but, even before an Angel don't we just need a passionate following of people (users of products/services they may want to own)? - Jason Cronkhite

It seems to me what is needed is a platform to evangelize the concept, get people behind the cause. Of course, a financial plan as to how users might contribute to show tangible interest would help in gaining validation and traction for larger investor types. - Jason Cronkhite

well... I instinctively take a different view on that. Not to say you are wrong, I am just really aware of the 'politics' of collaboration, the realities of project 'execution', and the realities and importance of I.P. protection for investors, even if it may become a public company (which by the way is a VERY expensive process to go through and carries with it a raft of responsibilites... more... - Simon Edhouse

point well taken simon, agreed. so, let's see if dave wants to help assemble the core group, open discussion, have a meeting of the minds in-person and push things forward. - Jason Cronkhite

Just opened a private group, "User Ventures" and sent you an invite, Simon/Dave. - Jason Cronkhite

"Jason assembled a great group of heroes, known as the Argonauts after their ship, the Argo. The group of heroes included the Boreads (sons of Boreas, the North Wind) who could fly, Heracles, Philoctetes, Peleus, Telamon, Orpheus, Castor and Pollux, Atalanta, and Euphemus." http://bit.ly/9LTx9 - Simon Edhouse

Very Cool! :-) - Jason Cronkhite

Then we all can start IPO's afterwards :) and sell our life-streams to google. - Chirag Chamoli

Simon, Argo User Ventures is assembled as a group awaiting the rest of the Argonauts :-) - Jason Cronkhite

LOL at the irony of opening a private group for this. - Nick Lothian

Nick, do you plan to contribute? - Jason Cronkhite

Nick, I have no qualms of opening up the group after those who plan to contribute help to establish a framework for the group. Foundations must be part of anything new even user centric organizations. So, if being an active contributor to help users suits you the group needs you and any other user advocate for that matter. - Jason Cronkhite

This company crowdsourced their funding: http://uk.techcrunch.com/2009... - Ray Cromwell

Another axis to think about is whether a particular idea even needs to be owned by a single entity, public, or otherwise. Chances are, if you're inventing another communication protocol/network to piggy back on the internet/web and ship data around, it isn't always necessary to have a single point of failure. Rather, you're taking a fault-tolerant network protocol (TCP/IP) and layering... more... - Ray Cromwell

Ray, just reached out to Charles Armstrong of Trampoline. - Jason Cronkhite

Interesting points Ray, and yes, the technology idea you outline is in accord with some of the ideas we have been building on... but inventing another open protocol does not necessarily a profitable people's Company make. - and Nick, as regards the irony of a private discussion... Sometimes you have to be smart... and being 'smart' is also about being prudent and careful., - Simon Edhouse

I agree, but some things are commodities/public goods and not really something that should be walled off just to try and extract profits. (Which I'm not against, I just think there are plenty of other things to make profits on than setting up more toll bridges) Would RSS have taken off if a single company owned it and all feeds had to be hosted through their domain? Maybe, but I think we'd all be worse off than the current situation. - Ray Cromwell

Yes... I agree, and this is a very interesting area. - Probably the only way I can get us out of this log-jam is to go deeper and state that I am interested in two key symbiotic projects. One being an open platform, and the other being a separate (and at arms length) vehicle to redefine the way commercial contacts between buyer and seller, or advertiser/vendor and viewer/client are conducted. - Simon Edhouse

Simon: you are a jerk if you think I do this to "seek the limelight." I shared OTHER PEOPLE'S posts here more than 21,000 times. That is called sharing. I travel the world and point my camera at OTHER PEOPLE. Building communities is hard work and the fact that you have started this project by being an asshole does not bode well for its future. - Robert Scoble from iPhone

I went and looked and Simon never even participated here. Two likes. What a jerk. - Robert Scoble from iPhone

Mark: I agree, but I won't help a guy who questions my integrity and is a jerk. Maybe if he apologizes. Plus he's already proven he doesn't participate so WTF does he know about building a community? Geesh. - Robert Scoble

If I may... this is a fantastic political opportunity for all of us (bystanders like myself, geeks and users). I can hardly follow half the things you write (although I google most of it), but I watch the process as an experiment on "Open" Democracy through Open Source. My best wishes on its success no matter who partakes. If there is anything a civilian can contribute, please don't hesitate to ... well poke. :-)) - constantinos alexacos

No, the IPO comes first, before anything else. - Dave Winer

Read up on public shell companies. http://www.google.com/search... - Dave Winer

Just to add my two cents: I am a relative small fry here in this big community and have been fortunate enough to have participated in interesting discussions with both Scoble and Dave. Both have found the time (at least to some degree) to engage with me and I have since wondered how they do it (or at least how much time it takes). - Sean Powell

(Part 2) It seems based on these comments that something like this will need EVERYONE to actually be successful. With the advent of these technologies - friendfeed and (dare I say it) twitter - we now how the ability to truly get everyone involved and weigh in on decisions. That is the key here. Then we can help settle questions like: "Who decides where we go? What we do? Who's involved?" That last question should not even be considered. imho - Sean Powell

Gee, calling people "jerks" and "assholes" is just too easy in this kind of forum isn't it? But you know Robert, I did not say that you had no integrity. What I was saying was that, if something like this were to develop in an integral fashion, as in [def:] "...necessary to make a whole complete; essential or fundamental", then its not about obtaining mass publicity first off... which... more... - Simon Edhouse

Simon, you wrote, and I quote "Pleeeeeese.... not Scoble. - Its gonna take buckets of wisdom, and patience and dare I say it, integrity." - Robert Scoble

Dave, the idea of: "...the IPO comes first" baffles me. - IPOs are very expensive, and would only seem to raise the level of risk. - What is the reason that you take that position? - I think great companies are built on great ideas, and without the solid foundation of a 'great idea', I (and other's) would sense that its an ideologically driven foray... Foundations are important. - Simon Edhouse

That, to, me, says you were saying that I didn't have any integrity. - Robert Scoble

Simon: but your last statement is better. I still think your first statement was pretty damn rude, though, and when someone calls you on your rudeness, your first answer should be "I'm sorry." - Robert Scoble

That's what my community website network is all about. See http://Frederick.com for an example. The site is owned by the community. - Craig Shipp

IPO? The IPO market doors have been shut for sometime. Thanks for the chuckle. - cheapsuits

yep... I'm sorry if that offended you, really. Loose words... I don't know you, and you don't know me. Over a coffee, we would probably have a chuckle and find quite a bit of common ground. Please accept my apology. It was an off the cuff remark, poorly executed. - Simon Edhouse

Robert... gee I should have looked at your pic before insulting you! - Lucky I'm on the other side of the planet. ;) (I'm an Aussie, from English stock... fairly reserved, and nowhere near the buzzy west coast of the US. - so on quite a different frequency) - Simon Edhouse

Apology accepted, now we can move on. Thanks! - Robert Scoble

Ok... The trigger for this discussion was Dave's clarion call: ""we, the users, need to own a technology company -- and have it work to serve our interests..." ~ Its a meme that obviously resonates with many. There's been a shift to user-control, and libertarianism rolling forward for years on the web... and the implied friction-point (which is very real) is the tension between the Web... more... - Simon Edhouse

agreed. - Thomas Hawk

Simon / Robert: Glad you guys made up :-) ... Simon, I am interested in your points of view and think there is a lot of merit to the visioning process with great leadership. I think Robert is one of the best evangelists for technology there is and letting the Scobleizer do what he does best has a time and place and I think Robert knows this and I'm sure he can move forward once there is... more... - Jason Cronkhite

Forgive me if I don't understand, but isn't the purpose of a company to make profits? Why not create a foundation akin to Mozilla or Apache instead? The closest service-oriented foundations I can think of are Wikipedia and Archive.org. It becomes interesting to me if we're talking about a services-oriented organization that provides end-user services built on top of existing and future... more... - Ankush Narula from iPhone

Ankush, I think the differentiation is that users contribution to these companies are not being rewarded. Why can the users as well as founders not be rewarded when they are essentially building the value of the company together. Companies cannot become valuable without customers so, they need each other and if users/customer bring up the valuation of the company why not have the... more... - Jason Cronkhite

But what's the end goal? Rewards or integrity? You have to find a balance in any for-profit venture. However, non-profits are driven largely by vision and integrity (ideally speaking). So let me ask some more questions. If you're laying down your money as a user+investor, won't your interests change from time to time? If you actually take a company like this public who controls the... more... - Ankush Narula

Brian... Wikipedia is a pretty good example of a company that operates for its users and is almost totally dependent on its users. However, it has no real business model, but retains a hugely valid place in most of our lives. - There is however an answer to the current dilemma/stalemate that folks here have been yearning for, and it is perfect and simple. In a nut-shell I would call it:... more... - Simon Edhouse

...and now its 4.00am down under, and I have to hit the sack... G'night fellow travellers. - Simon Edhouse

Simon... if we're talking alternatives to client-server the only one that I can think of is true distributed peer-to-peer. So perhaps a collective of such companies working together under an umbrella would be very effective since we would see many various incarnations of user+investor style companies. Interesting... - Ankush Narula

My only concern there, and its a well researched concern, is about secuity of the core protocol. there's a huge amount that can be 'open' on top, but the base transport protocol, sitting on TCP/IP needs to be super-tight, and solid. best kept as a trade secret, inside an ultimately publicy owned Company, that has rules to prevent corporations ever owning more than 10% of the stock. If... more... - Simon Edhouse

Update, I contacted Charles Armstrong, CEO of Trampoline last night and he's interested to join and learn more about this. He may be popping in soon. - Jason Cronkhite

Simon... Check out this presentation on wuala's architecture if/when you have time: http://www.wuala.com/en... - Ankush Narula

Dave ---- If I may comment about your original post sorry!), I found the post pretty inspiring. I advise on social media for an agency (no flames, please) and one of the things I talk about is "sensible" and "realistic" ROI. What I mean is very clear: we're not going to use bullshit metrics like "awareness" or "impressions" to measure whether or not our work had an effect on the brand.... more... - Michael E. Rubin

Ankush... had a quick look, but immediately I see a big discord with what I've been thinking/planning. i.e. "You can upload any file of any size"... that is a continuation of the situation that has got P2P systems into so much trouble, and stigmatized the technolgy. Its great in one sense, but it invites Piracy, copyright theft etc etc. P2P is THE logical system for the internet, (its... more... - Simon Edhouse

Public shell looks like a good alternative, is it too early to bring VRM ideas to the promised land scenario? - Alberto Saavedra

gee, don't get me started on VRM... nice philosophy, but very naive. (uh oh, 4.24am... damn) Bye... - Simon Edhouse

The users owning it - it's the Open Source model! - Marcos Marado from fftogo

We touched on 'GOOG' & 'Business Models' yesterday... my observation about the prevailing status quo paradigm for web-advertising is summarised here: http://friendfeed.com/simoned... - Simon Edhouse

hmmm... ok, if the concept of "Web Advertising" elicits such a nonplussed reaction, reflect on this: Contacts between vendor and buyer, and the drawing of these two parties together via promotion or request, is the basic process that 'Advertising' tries to achieve. However, as Danah Boyd highlighted in her December 2007 blog piece, (Who clicks on ads? And what might this mean?),... more... - Simon Edhouse

exactly - sofarsoShawn BAZINGA!

And go where? Back to Twitter or...Facebook? - Manuel Mas

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no idea yet.... see what happens. - Rob Sellen :o)

I have nowhere else to go. No where else gives me the high level of interaction that FF does. - Mel Buckpitt

Same FriendFeed as before, I'll still use. - Ben Parr

Of course if Paul hands me a few hundred shares of stock ... just kidding. Sigh. - Robert Scoble

I was going to ask how you felt about the purchase, but now I see - acedanger

Depends how much it changes. - Andrew Leyden

Why leave? - Mike Shulman

+1 Mel - I am gutted and don't know what to do if the main FF site closes - Matt Hooper

Why would I leave friendfeed? This place works well enough for me. - Talon Lardner

Manuel: back to my blog and Twitter, probably. I'm playing around with Facebook but it doesn't quite do it for me. - Robert Scoble

I'm sticking around unless there's some sort of mass exodus which I don't see an immediate reason for. - Mike Elliott

Not leaving 'til it closes, and I'm certainly not going to facebook or twitter even then. - Vicarbott

Mike: because I expect it will get shut down eventually if it doesn't get invested in, and if it gets no new features it will fall behind Google Wave and other projects. - Robert Scoble

This feels like that HBO Documentary about Brooklyn Dodgers going to LA haha. - Manuel Mas

And, actually, Google Wave seems to be the most obvious thing for me to try out from now on. - Robert Scoble

I will stick around until they move the features I like from friendfeed onto facebook. - BRҰANSAҰS

Isn't it a bit early to make decisions? Has there been an announcement that I missed that FF is going away? Even if it isn't where else is better at this point? - iTad

there used to be a kind of message board system ages back with FB. disppeared one day never to return, lets hope this will bring something of that back, who knows.. - Terry O'Fee

I can't wait to try out wave. ;o) - Rob Sellen :o)

Waiting and watching. Robert, I know you have a discussion tab on FB but its not the same. ;) - Melanie Reed

How soon before google wave becomes available to the early adopters/public? - BRҰANSAҰS

Mashable just published a How To Take Advantage of FriendFeed's Unique Features. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. A little late for that, no? - Stephen Pickering

I'll stick around to the bitter end. - Dave Metzener

Bryan: I heard they weren't handing out beta access to non-developers until September. Cold be wrong but that's what I heard - Mike Elliott

Robert, if you believe this is a good deal for both FF and FB - why are you leaving? - George F. Snell III

When should we cue in Titanic's last song by the band as FF sinks below leaving us all behind? - Manuel Mas

Why leave now? Until it is changed or killed, it still works just the same. - Jeff P. Henderson

Same assessment as you, I'll stick around but I need to find an option B now. I guess I'll go wherever Louis Gray recommends - Alberto Saavedra

I plan on sticking around for a little while longer. Not ready to jump ship yet. - David Finch

Melanie: yeah, real time really has me going. I will wait until I get a better sense from the FriendFeed team about what will be done here. I just am not getting the right signals from the team that there will be any investment in this. If that's the case, I'd rather invest my time somewhere else. Google Wave. Ning. Vanilla on Building43. Twitter, now that I got rid of the spammers. Etc. - Robert Scoble

I'll watch and see what happens. IF I feel that it would be useless to stay, I'll leave the site. - TeraDyne Azurepaw

I think the features of FF will be incorporated into FB (guilt free) and FB profiles will be more tied into FF. That's about all we'll see... - Gus

Scoble: Ning?!?! Really? - Manuel Mas

Manuel: hey, Pirillo is over there. :-) - Robert Scoble

I'm staying here until something else catches up. - Bruce Lewis

Robert, I can definitely see the value of your invested time on any service, but for the average user, what is the downside of sticking around here as long as the site still exists? - Jeff P. Henderson

hmm, ning. unexpected, but understandable - Alistair (alpinefolk)

@Scobleizer: The big crowd is not even at Friendfeed yet and you are already leaving? Someone will be by in a few minutes with a drink. Please help yourself and stick around for the conversation. You will be greatly missed should you choose to leave so soon. - David Damore

Social Media is a set of tools--I appreciate the connections I make, but I'm not getting too emotionally worked-up about the tools changing. FF probablywon't function as my Social Media hub much longer. - Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)

I like it here, so I'll hang out as long as possible. - sean percival

Not making any set plans yet, but keeping my eyes and ears open. - Martha

And when Google buys Twitter, won't that be interesting - Stephen Pickering

Bruce: have you played with Wave yet? I'm wondering how good that is? I gotta get an invite. Off to beg someone cooler than me. :-) - Robert Scoble

I will continue to use it until it closes down in its current form. - Ashish

Google/Twitter vs. Facebook/FriendFeed - Stephen Pickering

I'm a little pissed that we haven't heard much from our other "rock stars". Where the hell are they? This concerns them, yet I can hear a pin drop. I think there secretly plotting. Roflmao - Jeunelle Foster

I'd bet Microsoft buys Twitter before Google does. - Gus

I haven't played with wave yet, but from what I've seen it's got potential. FriendFeed's got polish. - Bruce Lewis

I wasn't planning on going anywhere, but I guess I'll be spending more time on Social Median. Perhaps someone should start putting together a decent buddypress site? - Aram Zucker-Scharff

I might leave only because I quit facebook - I hate the mindset, the shallowness, and am afraid (make that certain) those people will come here - Aaman (Clone of FF)

Gus: Microsoft and Twitter deserve each other. They are both somewhat buggy and don't come up with new features very often. ;-) - Robert Scoble

I think I'll be heading back to Twitter until Google Wave is publicly available - Aaman (Clone of FF)

Robert: Since at the end of the day all these platforms are businesses and have to eventually make money does it make sense to keep investing time and effort into building communities on them when they can sell/merge at any time and dismantle the tools that keep the community in place? it seems like the portable community concept of something like Google FriendConnect now makes more... more... - Mike Elliott

The other rock stars are drinking. :-) - Robert Scoble

If Facebook had an easier way of connecting with people but not showing them all the personal stuff I'm willing to show to my close friends (and the stuff my friends post about me), I don't think I'd need anything like FriendFeed or Twitter. - Edward Coffey

Robert: I've played with Wave and I wouldn't really put it in the same category as FriendFeed at the moment. It's not really about sharing and conversing in mass form IMO. Its really conversation with maybe 20 people or so but its much more difficult to focus conversations about shared content. Let everybody know when you get an invite and your address so we can add you! :) - Brandon Titus

I'll stick around until the end. - Mathew™ aka Youngblood

It kinda proves a theory I have about us all being reduced (if I can use that word) to channels. I don't think social networking will go away, but as the internet and deals increase, so does the noise. Don't worry Scobe, you still show up in our Google reader every morning!! - professor daddyo

Man, what are we going to do without these discussions like this? - Stephen Pickering

Mike: No community is permanent. It's worthwhile to participate even if it's temporary. - Bruce Lewis

@Gus, Well MS has large stake in FB so I'm not sure about that. I'll stick around here till it peters out. The tech news rooms here are top notch. - Arawak

I don't use FF much other than for private rooms, so I'll stay for those. Whatever other activity I have (which is sporadic and generally not personal) will also remain. - Cheryl

I'll stick around until they pull the plug. - Morton Fox

Leave friendfeed? what's the alternative I'd really like to know. Is it facebook? - Tate

I'll stick with it as long as it's here and people are still active. FF4L!! - Cass

What is the next thing? Where do we go now? Not FB! But where? - Michael Liss

I heard it's MySpace - sean percival

I'm staying until the end as well. - Mitch

quick! everybody back to MySpace!!! - acedanger

what? leave and create a better version of Twitter? or start FriendsterFeed? - Andy Sternberg

The downside for me? I invest time in things that WILL BE not that are. That's always been what keeps my interest and now that I know that FriendFeed probably will not be, even if it takes five years to totally die, I've lost a great deal of interest in it. - Robert Scoble

With the price of bandwith/computing halving every year, there will be a new one of these popping up pretty quick - Stephen Pickering

Michael: I don't think anyone knows today where to go next, because there's no good substitute out there. We can only hope that the next destination will be obvious before they pull the plug. - Bruce Lewis

I'll just go to twitter. I have a facebook account but I hate it. Facebook is the walmart of the web. - Darrel Davis

Should we move to where?? haha - harri78son

I'll be here until something actually changes for the worse - Dennis O'Neil

harri78son you could come back over to my blog and we could setup JS-Kit Echo. :-) - Robert Scoble

Damn now I need a drink :) - Jeunelle Foster

I hate fb. Don't like tweeting. Guess I'll be keeping up with my feeds without the fun ff distractions :( - BEX from iPhone

That's right, Scoble is the catalyst for these longer threads anyway, so it might as well move to his JS-Kit - Stephen Pickering

Robert, that's a pity. I'm lucky to deal in things that only get more interesting as they get older. - Bruce Lewis

I'm torn. What are our options? - Kelly Mitchell

yeah~ definitly! @Jeunelle foster please come down, - harri78son

I see now...This whole thing was a ploy to get everyone visiting Robert's blog! I am outraged! :P - Brandon Titus

Brandon: OK, we can go over to YOUR blog. Got Echo? :-) - Robert Scoble

Bruce: Very true. I've tried to get into FaceBook but it's hard to get the clean conversation feed along with lifestreaming content. It just seems to be full of distracting noise even with the ability to filter with lists. - Mike Elliott

I'm here till the end. - Nolan Alston

Robert, the same could be said about Flickr, they haven't had much inovation since Yahoo bought them, but people still use the service in droves. - Jeff P. Henderson

Don't worry Kelly, a new one of these will pop quickly, if they kill this - Stephen Pickering

Kelly: we don't need to leave tonight. Let's trash the house first! :-) - Robert Scoble

HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA - Stephen Pickering

Brandon, that's funny. At the Boston FriendFeed meetup, everybody else had learned about FriendFeed through Scobleizer. I was the only one who found him through FriendFeed. - Bruce Lewis

I'm leaving my account here for now but I'll be removing all my feeds. - Got80s

Let's make the longest thread in FF history - Stephen Pickering

Anyway, for the rest of today at-least I reckon I'll be off FriendFeed - real conversation is being drowned out by the echoes of this deal. - Edward Coffey

Damn it. Why is Arrington always right! - Stephen Pickering

Jeff P. Flickr is different Yahoo bought them for their user base. Facebook bought Friendfeed for their features. - BRҰANSAҰS

Got80: why do that? Who cares if your feeds are going in here? - Robert Scoble

Edward: that is true. It caught us all off guard and we're still processing it. - Robert Scoble

Kind of huge things in this time,.hmmm - harri78son

Facebook bought FF for Paul Bucheit - Stephen Pickering

I'm staying here until there is a reason to leave. Though I don't hold out hope they'll keep the service alive forever... obviously, I'm always enjoysthin.gs too, but it's not quite the same. I REALLY can't see myself using facebook as much as FF though. - Ted Roden

I need an adult beverage. then I'll trash the place... - Kelly Mitchell

I despise FB. Please let them not just trash FF. - Adam Webb

Considering the free Google Wave protocol implementation and ejabbered work together, it shouldn't be too hard to quickly build a FF type service that's scalable. Combine that with EC2 and S3 and you could probably get a lot of runway before funding is needed. Robert, I think the next service you switch to should be part owned by you, considering I bet a lot of the traffic here was originated from you evangelizing. - Chip Ramsey

Bryan: it's worse than that. I'm hearing that Facebook bought FriendFeed for its team. Google Superstars. Makes Zuckerberg get out his wallet. - Robert Scoble

Where will be the next pasture Mr. Scoble? - Rami Taibah

Stephen: lol. Yes, the 50 million dollar man. But seriously, there's no doubt what they really want is the tallent. - Brandon Titus

I'm gutted about this, but I knew that Virb account would come in handy eventually... sorta... maybe... - Linda Mills

Holden, yeah, but it doesn't make sense to invest energy here when its eventually going to die anyway - Stephen Pickering

I'm new on FF so I wonder, are people leaving FF because you'll have to use FB to participate? - Christopher Doiron

Stephen: not only for Paul. The guy who started Google Talk is at FriendFeed. So is the guy who started Google Maps. - Robert Scoble

Among other ex-Google superstars. - Robert Scoble

Christopher, it's that the FriendFeed team's new bosses will turn priorities away from the site we love. - Bruce Lewis

They'll probably cannibalize FriendFeed... nom nom - Kelly Mitchell

funny how many people are joining friend feed on the news of this acquisition. i'm seeing lots of my twitter followers starting to join. - mark silva

Go where, do what? - frankiecarl

I say its WAAAYYY too early to speculate what will happen to friendfeed next. Let the drama of today die down. - BRҰANSAҰS

Yeah lets all get drunk and start a fight. This whole thing is hilarious to me. Funny how media can start a panic. I ain't goin no where, I like to coloring. - Jeunelle Foster

Bill: I said I won't leave until I hear more from the team. Why must you always be a drama queen? - Robert Scoble

Kelly, I wish they would absorb FriendFeed, but despite the talk I don't think openness and Facebook are compatible. - Bruce Lewis

Robert, Ex-Google Superstars is how I see it too. I don't see big plans for FF the sense was we were the last thing on their minds. - Melanie Reed

Can't help being an attention whore, its what I'm good at :) - Jeunelle Foster

Okay so we sit tight and wait and drink. lol - Kelly Mitchell

but there is no time to wait a special direction on internet, It's too fast!! - harri78son

Kelly: My analogy for this is like the female praying mantis luring the male for sex, then it bites its head off. You can see the pic in my story http://bryansays.com - BRҰANSAҰS

I'm in the eyewear business and so I always know how to make a spectacle of myself :) - Jeunelle Foster

Bruce: I agree. Wouldn't it be feasible for them to simply keep the two properties separate then? FriendFeed would be the open/public portion of Facebook and Facebook could stay closed and keep its current private user base. - Brandon Titus

Bryan, pretty graphic and right on the money. - Kelly Mitchell

Why shouldn't he pull out his wallet. FB needs to monetize. The ex Google Rockstars know just how to do that - Stephen Pickering

I'll stick around and see what happens, but might not bother so much with another 'social' web site again. - Grant Bierman

There's this optimistic talk about keeping FriendFeed around as R&D. I'm skeptical about it. - Bruce Lewis

I'll leave FriendFeed as soon as there's somewhere to go to; currently, I'm not convinced there is. - Tristan Seligmann

Also when you are hanging with the Master of the Universe for four hours, its sort of like Bill Clinton going to Korea. Kind of influences you. - Stephen Pickering

Rami: I don't know. That's why I'm talking with you. I just know I won't continue to invest my time in something that will soon get no more investment. That's not who I am. I will hang out with Louis Gray until he finds something cool. By the way, someone gave me Google Wave already, thanks! - Robert Scoble

This should be a reality television show. This is where the real drama queens will come out to play. - Jeunelle Foster

Leo's going to need a new show, TWIF - Stephen Pickering

This week in Facebook - Stephen Pickering

Anyone here ever feel like we're just being tossed around from website to website by the big players? - Christopher Doiron

Thanks Kelly :) - BRҰANSAҰS

Chris, Yep - Stephen Pickering

Bruce: I disagree with you about Facebook and openness. They are a lot more open than they used to be and are MUCH more professional and friendly than, say, Twitter is. - Robert Scoble

Robert, I look forward to your review of Wave. - Bruce Lewis

Openness and Facebook are not one and the same.... polar opposites. Bah humbug. - Kelly Mitchell

Yup the big dogs are sitting back laughing at this whole thing - Jeunelle Foster

It doesn't necessarily have to be "R&D" but really a completely separate product. Something like YouTube is to Google. Although that's a terrible analogy...I guess the products are too similar to keep separate. - Brandon Titus

I'd pay-per-view to see Scoble and Sebastian Bach fight - Mattb4rd

The Chinese government is much more open than it used to be. It still doesn't meet my standards. - Bruce Lewis

Bruce: also, Zuckerberg is seeing the real money is in search. So he HAS to be open to really do great there. - Robert Scoble

Robert: Any chance you could share your Wave address? - Brandon Titus

Did anyone get a chance to see Youtube HTML 5 Demo? - Stephen Pickering

Brandon: I don't have my own address. Someone gave me theirs so can't share. - Robert Scoble

Zuckerberg doesn't make money from other companies' search engines, so he's still limiting what data can go out. I see FB getting more open about what data they take in. - Bruce Lewis

Bruce: Wave is very geeky. I think the UI has a lot of FriendFeed's problems x10. We'll see how that first impression sticks. - Robert Scoble

And Wave will only be as good as how many users it has - Stephen Pickering

Where will I go? Probably no where. Friendfeed was the first time I really got to feel like I found a home. Other places don't interact and blend multiple social services like Friendfeed does/did. Just as plenty of other people have said, I'm waiting for Google Wave at this point. I'm already a Google whore, might as well wait for the Wave to come through. - Matthew Horton

Bruce: data that goes out can be embedded on blogs and websites and interact with things. Also, if you get into Google's search engine you can get a LOT of traffic, which then you can monetize on your own service. - Robert Scoble

Not necessarily nailing the coffin shut yet here. Going to hang around and see what develops....what seems likely at the moment may be a totally different thing tommorow :O) - Jack Wilson, K4SAC

I am leaving at midnight. 2 accounts will be deleted, mine and one I manage for another site. - April

Robert: Hope you enjoy Wave! The UI is definitely way off for content sharing (at least in my first impression) and more suited for group communication for the very scenarios they threw out in the demos. Get much beyond that, or have too many people and the system starts to break down. Obviously, the underlying Wave infrastructure could be used to create something similar to and better than Friendfeed. - Brandon Titus

Yeah, the cool thing about Wave is the problem they solved with the protocol. Not really their UI implementation. I think there are huge opportunities with both Open Social and the Wave protocol. - Chip Ramsey

OK, I have been out of touch and I guess I missed something. I see nothing wrong with staying with all the feeds I am tied to! - Dave Sickmeier

April, please don't delete your account. We lose interesting history when people do that. - Bruce Lewis

There is no Facebook and no FriendFeed, it is now called TwoFacedFriend... - Kelly Mitchell

Bill: I'll be around but probably a lot less. Actually I was thinking that this was good timing. We have a new baby due in September and my other son is just starting to learn to talk, so want to spend more time hanging around with the family. - Robert Scoble

I am gonna wait it out. If the community as a whole migrates I will go with them, but I don't want to overreact. - Neal "thePuck" Jansons

it's time to have another serious look at Plaxo. There are some very clever people there too, I believe?! - Matt Hooper

Truth is, being addicted to FriendFeed isn't a good lifestyle. - Robert Scoble

Well said Robert - Kelly Mitchell

April: why so sudden and why delete accounts? I don't get that. - Robert Scoble

depends what they do with the service - I like friendfeed and facebook so I think it will probably work okay for me - Nick Stone

Brandon: oh, oh. You said it "Wave doesn't scale." Not good. - Robert Scoble

FF also has good tools for using it in moderation -- best of day, week, which you can get by email. Lists help. - Bruce Lewis

I have been spending most of my time on Brightkite. It's a smaller community and more fun. A better alternative than twitter or facebook. - John Ferron

Robert, and yes when he does that (Money in Search), it will change the playing field in lateral ways across the Internet, especially in ePortfolios and other like applications that don't need to be walled gardens - Melanie Reed

Your right, Robert, but you would eventually learn to moderate your use, and a service like this is going to be needed - Stephen Pickering

so much DRAMA - Kevin Pruett

Kevin, the Drama is warranted - Stephen Pickering

Will there ever be an app that just leaves facebook out of the equation - we could only dream - Ryan Gerritsen

i'm leaving, watching from twitter would be a better option for me. - rama mamuaya

I am not likely to invest time in another community that I don't have a stake in. If I contribute it will be because I have a personal interest and am part of the team that runs the show. That is the only way I will feel comfortable investing my time & energy into it. - April

If we could get the other "Rock Stars" who are obviously having a "virtual prayer meeting" somewhere to get together and talk about what changes they wish to see and what they would like to see develop for social media, Twitter, Facebook, Friendfeed and now this Google Wave, we would probably all feel a little better as we might be able to see down the dark cold tunnel but they're out... more... - Jeunelle Foster

i think that I'll keep posting to friendfeed until it fully integrates with facebook - Carlos Leiva Burotto

Did you guys see Dave Winer's URL shortner, http://rp.ly? Genius. - Stephen Pickering

Jeunelle: Rizzn and Louis Gray and I did a podcast earlier where we talked through some of our feelings. It was very, um, theraputic. - Robert Scoble

hahaha I must of missed it, I'll dig it up. A bit quiet still though. Haven't heard peep from Chris Brogan and all them other STARS - Jeunelle Foster

Louis's blog post was classic. - Bruce Lewis

Man, I can understand Louis' feelings. Look how much he and Scoble have put into this - Stephen Pickering

I'll continue to use FF until there's reason not to. I'm patient enough to see what happens to it. What's the hurry? - Cathryn Hrudicka

I just started on Friendfeed. It can't go away! - Paul McElligott

Lets start FeedFriend - the Bizaro friendfeed minus Facebook integration - Ryan Gerritsen

Well, I was rather hoping for some sort of joint deal between Twitter & FF... I'm not sure if I'll stick around in FF or not. I'm definitely not a fan of Facebook - Tim Bergman

Paul, that's what so frustrating. Just given time, we know it would have caught on - Stephen Pickering

I'm staying... - Luis

Thanks for feeding the flames, there, Scoble. *WHAT* on earth is so scary about all this? - Brad McCrorey

Brad, FF has died. Scoble made this thing. And what does he get out of it? Nuttin - Stephen Pickering

Stephen: I got you all as friends. - Robert Scoble

:-) - Stephen Pickering

This really SUCKS because when you don't have great "developers" to put something together like FriendFeed, you're really just gonna have to either take it up the ass or commit suicide. I'll hang myself 1st with all my clothes on :) - Jeunelle Foster

Jeunelle HAHAHAHAHHAAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH - Stephen Pickering

I'm wherever good, smart peeps are ('cuz I'm not smart enough). I don't invest much in tools - it's the people I care for. I'm not gonna abandon FF now but I understand that we'll need a way to foster the kind of community that got fostered here. Nothing lasts forever - and that's mostly a good thing in the long run. - phil baumann from Android

i'll be here until either the bitter end or something else comes along ... i'm really hoping that the ff-team will turn facebook into more of what it was before the apps came along... i think that's when FB really took a downward turn for me - Chris Heath

I follow the Cheese! - Rich Weaver

Venues like this will come and go, the whole social media landscape is in a constant state of flux I don't see why so many are up in arms. The life cycle of all the current venues are short and most of the leaders are nearing the end of their lives as we know it. But fear not, many new shiny toys will be bestowed upon us to play with. Now let's be social again! (ps. I'm sure we've seen NOTHING yet!) - Paul Monaco

Tweet: the cheese is in Zuckerberg's office! :-) - Robert Scoble

And for anyone that wants to know why I am deleting my account and not just moving away and leaving it to rot like i would normally do...just read the policies of facebook. Anywhere I have an account with data I don't want to be exploited commercially, in a way that exploits me personally, I'd delete it just as fast if the service were bought by facebook. - April

Zuckerberg is Master of the Universe. He spent 4 hours with Paul Friday. That would have an effect on anyone - Stephen Pickering

Kevin, when God, ie Mark Zuckerberg, says you can - Stephen Pickering

I love FF but I think this is a great move. If FB takes the best ideas from FF and they open it up theres is so much potential for a great community. - Gary Gannon

Definitely see what happens... Not looking forward to Facebook turning this into a free-for-all like Facebook :-) - Maria Reyes-McDavis

Gary a potential for $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ - Stephen Pickering

Not going anywhere for the time being. I'm not a big Twitter fan, and unless FB makes some big time changes, it just doesn't do it for me. Will be listening for any other social media that might come round the bend. - Bonnie Foster

We are getting tired of all those constant platform changes, aren't we? - Harald Felgner

Harald Yes! - Stephen Pickering

I say we all leave Facebook instead. - Larry Roth

Herald and Stephen, Yes! More and different is not always better, just more and different. - Melanie Reed

I can't leave Facebook. I have too much built up there. And that won't do anything anways. It will just be a small blip to them. - Mathew™ aka Youngblood

so what content aggregator in the absence of FF? - WarLord

My apologies if this has already been asked, but Robert you are very close the FF team. You had no idea this was coming? - Ben Hanten

I'm not leaving. I like FriendFeed and Facebook. - Kimber Scott

Ben: not one iota. I did sense that they were struggling to figure out how to compete, but didn't think they would sell. Paul always told me he didn't want to sell. - Robert Scoble

WarLord: there isn't a good aggregator. That's why it's stupid to delete your feeds. - Robert Scoble

OK, a friend talked me down. He told me I'd be saying sorry for starting this post by the 400th comment. He's usually right. So, instead of saying sorry, I'm going drinking. See ya in the lobby in 10 minutes! - Robert Scoble

I may be dense about this, but why would you leave until you saw which way it was going? - Jerry Kidd

Good question, Jerry. I wanna know this, too. - Brad Williamson

Robert, I think he struggled with it, but 4 Hours with Mark is a big persuasion - Stephen Pickering

Matthew: I expect that the engineers will get put onto Facebook. So, if the smartest people are working on Facebook and not on FriendFeed, why would I stay here? Why wouldn't I start moving my work and social graph and all that over to Facebook? - Robert Scoble

The people I've come to know on FriendFeed are what I'd miss though, so I'd like to take my social graph with me wherever I might end up next. There's a business opportunity right there. - Aaman (Clone of FF)

Dunno if I'll leave the ship... - Wario

When I think about it - I found your post as well as the TechCrunch article via Google Friend Connect. So maybe it is time to join that Wave!? - Harald Felgner

Jerry: I said I was going to wait until I talk with the team more, but the things I'm hearing tell me they've already been bought to work on Facebook proper. So, unless someone tells me that's wrong, that tells me I should spend more and more of my time over on Facebook and not here. But my friend convinced me I'm being hasty and emotional. :-O - Robert Scoble

Mathew: Scoble said early on in this thread that he invests his time into emerging networks, not things that "are already here" I think thats why he will be moving on to the next big thing, like google wave or watchever new social network emerges out of this. I suspect that another startup will emerge to try and fill the shoes left behind by friendfeed. This is always the case. When napster left, you had morpheus and kazaa, then bit torrents. - BRҰANSAҰS

Matthew: FriendFeed=Facebook. It's a great day for both. Cause I'll end up at Facebook either way! :-) - Robert Scoble

Anyway, these are just the emotional ramblings of someone trying to figure out how the world shifted today. Have fun! - Robert Scoble

clue to the denouement: where is the most valuable processing of this event. Right here. - Steve Gillmor

I'm just curious what new startup will roll into the limelight because of this announcement? - BRҰANSAҰS

Robert, FriendFeed != Facebook - look at the quality of commentary/people here - Aaman (Clone of FF)

FriendFeed can stop improving right now, and I'll still stick around until something else catches up. Maybe that something else will be Facebook. I'll wait and see. - Bruce Lewis

I'm probably out. Back to open source for me at this point. Time to take another look and see how things have progressed with Laconica, JaikuEngine, NoseRub, and some of the other secondary options. I may also go crawling back to Twitter. Given a choice between Twitter and Facebook... sigh... - Ken Sheppardson

++Steve Gillmor - Bruce Lewis

Ken you'll be back. - Steve Gillmor

I don't think FB will change it all so quickly. But I do like Laconica, too. - Monique Hodgkinson

Steve you're making it hurt worse! ;-( - Stephen Pickering

Monique: It's not about rapid change, it's about where to invest effort. I don't really have any interest in investing my time and energy on Facebook... so why wait? - Ken Sheppardson

stephen how so - Steve Gillmor

I don't know where to go :( - K.D.

I'll make up my mind when I figure out what better alternative there is to Friend Feed. - Anthony Teegarden

Because we know FF has died - Stephen Pickering

Steve: Yeah, you're probably right. I appreciate the work Bret, Paul, Benjamin, et al have done, and I was really looking forward to where they were taking things... before they were taking it to Facebook. - Ken Sheppardson

Stephen: FF has died? Well, then, how am I typing to you? - Robert Scoble

Tomy, why change? You can listen to the Beatles and the Stones! - Stephen Pickering

Ken: it's all good. they're moving to a radically larger playground, and they can't afford to abandon those who appreciate them - Steve Gillmor

They will keep FF just will make it better - Johni Fisher

Choose I meant - Stephen Pickering

Please stop with FF has died chatter! - BRҰANSAҰS

I'll wait to learn more before making any decisions - Herb Hernandez

Robert, well, metaphorically. Whether its a few months or a year - Stephen Pickering

Tomy: Twitter is like Facebook but without likes and comments. Oh, wait, Facebook is a lot like FriendFeed already. I just commented on Louis Gray's item there. Oh, and there's applications. We can play games! :-) Herb: I'll try to go see the team next week. I'm also interviewing Yelp. - Robert Scoble

But Steve, what if the larger "playground" turns out to be very different from the one pitched to them? What if the FF team finds that their vision isn't shared after all? - Bruce Lewis

Robert, ok maybe you are right. Maybe it will be like the R&D. That would be great! - Stephen Pickering

Stephen: are you trying to get on the Gillmor Gang? We seem to kill things before they are really dead there too. - Robert Scoble

Hey Robert , you make friendfeed slower ! I guess you should leave here really x) - Melissa Taylor

Anyway, I'm going drinking. For real this time. - Robert Scoble

Robert, HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAHHAHAHAHA - Stephen Pickering

they can go build it again. but zuckerberg has been wanting this for some time - Steve Gillmor

need to wait what will happen to FF - Toni @ NavinoT

I'm planning on easing out of Friendfeed in the next couple of days, so I can get the contacts of people I know on here and who's opinions I value. - Jonathan Hardesty

Pickering: RSS is dead, not FF - Steve Gillmor

Steve, oh yes, If I were him, I would pull out all stops to get this team. I totally understand from a business perspective, all perspectives - Stephen Pickering

business is design - Steve Gillmor

HAHAHA great comeback Steve. On that note I think I'll have a beer. :) - BRҰANSAҰS

Steve, OK, I'll keep the faith that maybe Scoble's idea that this could be a Facebook R&D could happen. That would be great!!!! - Stephen Pickering

Steve, did you see the post about this being an opportunity for Google Reader? I think it was by Jorge Escobar. - Bruce Lewis

Reading through all this is hilarious. We really should have a social media reality show Robert - Jeunelle Foster

no bruce, how so - Steve Gillmor

Jeunelle, Robert went drinking :) - Stephen Pickering

So he ain't all that. Just kidding hehehehe :) - Jeunelle Foster

He was saying Reader has most of the features of FF, and this could be their chance to expand and fill the niche FF filled: http://friendfeed.com/social-... - Bruce Lewis

disagree bruce GR has no explicit contract with users - Steve Gillmor

Contract or contact? - BRҰANSAҰS

Wave might be boosted, but has similar immaturity at the social graph level - Steve Gillmor

I don't understand the part about the contract. - Bruce Lewis

If Ning is 750m why FF is just 50m ? - Johni Fisher

users consciously contribute metadata to FF - Steve Gillmor

Do we want Google to buy Twitter? - Stephen Pickering

@Steve @Bruce, here's the post http://jungleg.com/2009... -- it's a crazy idea but GR could make an extra effort and put up a better web experience - Jorge Escobar

I like FriendFeed, a lot, but too few of my friends use the service to make it really useful. So I guess I'll leave. - Adam Washington

Adam, stay, if even only for the aggregating features - Stephen Pickering

You are testing us Scoble. - Özer (Wrzl) Dölekoğlu

YES he's sitting in the back laughing while drinking Peppermint Schnaps - Jeunelle Foster

Scobles outta here. He went to get a life! hehehehehehehe - Stephen Pickering

totally staying....this really is just the beginning....and, i just built FF into all of my Intro to Soc sections!!!! - Chad Gesser

I thought you said you'd hand in there until they turn the last server off. What changed your mind? - Paul Chaney

Speaking of Google. What was the point of them buying Jaiku and doing nothing with it? - BRҰANSAҰS

I'll at least stay for aggregation and extending 140 character tweets, and pray maybe it will become Facebooks R&D, but I know that's a longshot - Stephen Pickering

I should get a life too but alas the temptation is too great for "attention whoring" - Jeunelle Foster

Jeunelle HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH - Stephen Pickering

hehehe lol - Jeunelle Foster

Regarding the "team's plans", I really don't expect to hear anything from Bret, Paul, et al. At this point I'm happy to let the Facebook (i.e. the non-FriendFeed) folks try to convince me that they're ready to do things differently. That involves more than just hiring a team. - Ken Sheppardson

Well, maybe Paul can influence Mark not "to be evil" - Stephen Pickering

those who think FB has any choice but to go down the FF road are not thinking this through - Steve Gillmor

Steve, Oh, I totally understand. It was genius of them. Proves how Mark is indeed Master of the Universe - Stephen Pickering

Steve, self-interest does not guarantee anything. People and companies can act irrationally. - Bruce Lewis

So Steve, do you see two separate properties indefinitely? Or does Facebook just slowly start too look more FF-like, then one day they redirect friendfeed.com to facebook.com? - Ken Sheppardson

yes bruce take twitter for example - Steve Gillmor

But Paul could end up being a great influence on Mark - Stephen Pickering

not indefinitely Ken, but long enough to transfer enough value to avoid making twitter look like the good guys - Steve Gillmor

Steve, will Google buy Twitter? - Stephen Pickering

you're "VERY excited" about the deal, but plan to leave friendfeed? why, exactly? i don't get it... - Shawn C. Reed

dunno, don't really care - Steve Gillmor

ff was the important value, not twitter - Steve Gillmor

Oh sure, who do you want in your office, Ev or Paul Bucheit? Paulllllll! - Stephen Pickering

Stephen, didn't the TechCrunch article say that the FF team would be split between two bosses, neither of which was Mark? - Bruce Lewis

matthew who says they didn't - Steve Gillmor

That's right. Paul may end up running that thing, or at least be No.2 - Stephen Pickering

ff has been running dev for a year - Steve Gillmor

Wow - isn't this jumping to conclusions? No one has said anything's going away, nor do we know what they're doing to do with it. Stick around, wait to see what happens, then jump. Nothing's happened yet - I think it will all be for the better in the end and you'll know where to go when the FF Team says Jump. - Jesse Stay

Kurt, he's gonna sit on it for a while, see what shakes out - Stephen Pickering

jesse skip to the bottom for the apology - Steve Gillmor

The FF Team hasn't let us down yet, have they? I still trust them - only when they break that trust do we jump. - Jesse Stay

@Scobleizer I've been on Google Wave for about a week working on an interesting idea I have for it. It's very promising but its very alpha right now. You won't find it worth your time just yet. - Noah White

jumping is bullshit, no place to go - Steve Gillmor

Ah - sorry Robert - didn't see the clarification towards the bottom. Thanks Steve. - Jesse Stay

Jesse, you still in the Boston area? - Bruce Lewis

Why rush to judgment? Even if the "team's plans" are off-base, what's the base? And what's off? Experience, resourcefulness, respect for users and smarts under fire all matter more than "plans." Wait & keep seeing. - Doc

What the hell? Just because someone buys FriendFeed everyone has to ditch it? ABORT SHIP, ABORT SHIP! Doesn't really make sense so soon. Has anything changed yet? Is it the end of the world? Don't just leave because everyone says they will either. Stick around, the ship is still afloat. - Nick Humphries

the doctor is in the house - Steve Gillmor

But, if they did pull the plug, with bandwidth and computing halving every year, there would be another one of these pop up in no time - Stephen Pickering

I don't see a point in leaving Friendfeed until the doors close on us... if and when that happens. - Alex Knight

Actually facebook is the most popular rss reader of all time :) - Christian Burns from iPhone

Bruce, we just left today. I'm actually in Niagara Falls, NY right now. Just finished watching a beautiful view of the Falls at night. - Jesse Stay

There's a house? - Doc

Steve, is that Doc Searls? - Stephen Pickering

of cards - Steve Gillmor

hover over the name stephen - Steve Gillmor

Jesse, if anybody can persuade me (us?) that Facebook is going to be good for the FF team it's you. Maybe write a blog post or something. - Bruce Lewis

Don't get so close. - Doc

unfollow please sidney - Steve Gillmor

Doc, Calacanis recommended your book to his audience on THis Week in Startups. Can't wait to read it! - Stephen Pickering

I just left facebook a couple weeks ago - hope friendfeed doesn't devolve into quizzes and walled gardens - Doug Holton

It's the Gillmor Gang in a perpendicular universe. - Doc

yes it is - Steve Gillmor

and about fucking time - Steve Gillmor

Stephen, make sure it's the *new* 10th anniversary edition of Cluetrain. Both it and the old one are being sold. 8 extra chapters in the new. - Doc

No doubt, Steve - Christian Burns from iPhone

Because of Quantum Wave effects there are an infinite number of Universes, some of which The Gillmor Gang is still broadcasting - Stephen Pickering

Bruce, I'll be working on a post really soon. Also, Louis Gray and I are going to record a phone call about it tomorrow, which I think should prove useful. I've got a lot of knowledge about Facebook, and he does about FriendFeed. - Jesse Stay

we never stopped stephen - Steve Gillmor

Heheheheheheheheh - Stephen Pickering

JFC, I was gonna go to bed, and here we are. Wherever this is. Do we all really live in Scoble's butt? - Doc

Doc comes through with yet another metonym: the perpendicular universe (= FF). - Nick in Manila

I would have had something out sooner but I've been driving a car all day. :-) - Jesse Stay

no it's Marshall McLuhan's butt - Steve Gillmor

Is this SRC? - Doc

Kurt, oh yeah, I totally get that and so does Scoble, but you've got to understand his short term hurt. Look at how much energy he put into this thing, and what did he get? Nuttin - Stephen Pickering

You mean McLuhan is in Scoble's body? He's in the movie Being Robert Scoble? - Doc

Nonsense Stephen he gets paid in attention every single time - Steve Gillmor

Social relay chat? - Christian Burns from iPhone

No who's on first - Steve Gillmor

Scoble Relay Chat. - Doc

the medium is the message - Steve Gillmor

OK, OK, Steve. I admit, I listened to Dave Winer's chat this evening about it - Stephen Pickering

yeah I read the liner notes instead - Steve Gillmor

Confessions of Stephen and Steve - Jeunelle Foster

And the medium is the network? - Stephen Pickering

Are we paying Scoble now? Are we his excreta and are those a form of currency? - Doc

as richard manuel used to say the check's in yr mouth - Steve Gillmor

Doc, HAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA - Stephen Pickering

I thought it was "the check is coming in your mouth." Just looking for accuracy here. - Doc

no, doc it's a contraction of 2 of the 3 promises - Steve Gillmor

I forget what the 3rd is - Steve Gillmor

I'll love you in the morning? - Doc

could be - Steve Gillmor

Well, it's almost morning here. I'll tape this show and watch later. G'night or g'morning, all. - Doc

Goodnight, Doc! - Stephen Pickering

Part of beauty of FF: all their shows are taped. And yet open ended. - Nick in Manila

It depends how much FF changes. No reason to leave until and unless it gets annoying. - Igor Goldkind

It's "I'll respect you in the morning." - Sean Gallagher

Oh, I'm not leaving. Hell, I even still have a myspace account. It's just a question of engagement - Stephen Pickering

Good night all. Tip for Jeunelle: You get more attention if you make your feed public. Make a group for your private stuff. - Bruce Lewis

they'll have to scrub this one pretty good before they shut it down - Steve Gillmor

Maybe Jeunelle doesn't want attention. - Sean Gallagher

Hell, they keep Orkut going. Storage and bandwidth keep getting cheaper. Might as well keep this going - Stephen Pickering

Orkut! The favorite social network of 9 out of 10 Brazilians. - Sean Gallagher

And 9 out 10 of the best looking women! - Stephen Pickering

True. - Sean Gallagher

@scobleizer that means half of the total activity on friendfeed will be reduced - Sidharth Dassani

Maybe if Facebook hadn't stolen all Scoble's data, he'd stop worrying and learn to love them. - Sean Gallagher

Actually even os Brasileiros are coming over to FB - Stephen Pickering

My mother is on Facebook. The end is nigh. - Sean Gallagher

"Maybe Jeunelle doesn't want attention" - says who? I only stepped away to pour me a nice glass of Sauvengion Blanc", and thank you Bruce for the advice I'll look into that tomorrow. After all tomorrow is another day. Twiddly Dee - Jeunelle Foster

there is no reason to leave. I seriously doubt facebook will kill it. - Logan Lindquist

What's the record number of comments? - Stephen Pickering

Logan, I hope your right - Stephen Pickering

Maybe if I blog my twitter of Scoble's FriendFeed and then link it from Facebook via a Digg of a del.icio.us bookmark, it will create a singularity and this thread will have never happened. - Sean Gallagher

Sean, you may even create a time machine! - Stephen Pickering

Can someone comment on what April Russo said about Facebook content policy? Seems like a very important piece of the puzzle. - metalerik

I wouldn't worry about it. The markets will take care of it. If Facebook becomes evil, the masses will fork somewhere else. We're in the age of Openness - Stephen Pickering

I will only leave friend feed if it becomes a facebook clone. I can't stand facebook but I still use it cause my friends and family use it, but if friendfeed becomes annoying like face book then I see no point in staying here. - Colide81 (James) from iPhone

James, Touche - Stephen Pickering

You know Sean maybe smarter than he looks....hmmmmm :) and what's with that bird head? - Jeunelle Foster

It's a starling fledgeling. The perfect symbol for social networking-- it eats whatever you give it, then poops on you. - Sean Gallagher

That's what I want to reincarnate as....an angry poopin bird - Jeunelle Foster

Just reading all the news about FF and FB. Disapoints me personally, biz wise nice job. Um not a huge FB user so I don't know what my plans are yet. Like you wait a bit and see.... - Bryan Thatcher from iPhone

I won't leave FF until they make me or there's no community left. Whichever comes first. - FFing Enigma

We'll never get to talk to Robert Scoble again. :-( - Jannifer @wordsforliving

on to Google Wave. - Jason Wilson from BuddyFeed

Jannifer, Yes we will on his JS-Kit Echo commenting system he will put on his blog. It's real time like this - Stephen Pickering

I'm leaving. Google Wave, Twitter, Reader will plenty suffice now. Farewell, former friend. - Californian

Oh Stephen - I'm not sure what that is... but it won't be like Friendfeed. :-( - Jannifer @wordsforliving

At some point I imagine I will. I have no interest in joining facebook. When I do depends on what facebook does with ff. - Quasar

I'm sticking around till FB screws it up. But I was keeping FF separate from FB because most of my FB friends are my born-again Christian relatives who won't like the controversial stuff of mine that makes it onto FF's news feed. Still, I'm going to look for other similar sites. Posterous is one. - Dennis Jernberg

I really want a Google Wave invite now.. - Peter

I'm not leaving but I'm not moving to Facebook. The main thing for me is to keep the contacts I've gained from FriendFeed and hope we all can meet on another similar service somewhere somehow. - Kol Tregaskes

Ditto what Kol just said. - Tinfoil 2.0

ditto on the Google wave invite - Kim

you hit the nail on the head there Kol - Kim

Maybe. But i really want Google Wave invite. - ★ Soner Gönül

It's hard to say at this point. The only thing that's changed is who pays the server bill. Ask me in a week. And yes, a Google Wave invite would sure go a long way to make this better for me. - Dale

Joined Posterous. http://jbug.posterous.com Wouldn't mind a Google Wave invite, though... - Dennis Jernberg

Me too, Dennis. :-) - Kol Tregaskes

I will wait and see. - Matt G

Leaving a favorite site isn't always a conscious decision for me. The cool site loses its cool and you just kind of drift off. - Dale from email

Oh yeah, and I added my Posterous blog to my FriendFeed feed, so you'll be seeing whatever I post there in your home feed here. That is, if you subscribe to me here, or if one of your subscribers likes or comments. Me, leave? Not yet! ;) - Dennis Jernberg

I'll be sticking around just a little while longer. - April

I'm here for the duration - Charlie Anzman

I'm loyal until they make it worth me leaving. - Jesse Stay

I'm here until they slam the gates shut. But I am hiding all your BS posts about it being a good thing :) - JCunwired

If you want to be sure that I quit Friendfeed you have to see my burial. I will never quit while being alive! :-) - Nicolai Butzki

I'm staying but it's like when you know that the company you work for has been bought by someone else and might close it, you lose motivation and start looking for another job, it's hard to invest time and energy if there might be no future. Not that the future of FF was guaranteed before but now it does not look good at all. - M F

I'm heading to Plurk! who's with me? *tumbleweed* - Iain Baker

Like I said before, I'm staying here until the end. - Mathew™ aka Youngblood

Friendfeed is two totally different things: the original RSS aggregation service, and a social network service/community. Lifestream.fm is a reasonable replacement for the former. As to the latter, it's the people, not the tech they're using, that makes FF special. I've benefited greatly as a 'consumer' here, reading posts - if that continues on Facebook, it will probably get me to... more... - SteamCentral

i'll be around until it becomes unbearable, probly until it's been damaged badly by FB style feature creep and riddled with ads and spammers. oh, and absolutely stupid censorship policies. that'll be a real killer. - Joe Silence

not leaving. NEVER hoho I haven't left FB nor friendser. - Friendfeed's Francisco

The CloneFeed group has given me some interest. It gives some hope in case FF really goes away or merges badly with FB. I like FB but just don't want to fully mix the two activities/audiences. - manielse (Mark Nielsen)

Go to posterous. Here is mine: http://pingmicro.com/ - Svartling from iPhone

I'd rather keep my Friendfeed as my "professional aggregation" and Facebook as personal stuff. I blog, tweet, etc. stuff that a lot of my friends could care less about. And I post stuff to Facebook that isn't interesting or relevant to clients / followers. - Gregg Le Blanc

Google Wave is what I am looking for. The problem with moving to Facebook is that I use it for close friends and family so things like comments and pics etc that I post to it I would not want to have available to all of the contacts I have on FF at the moment. Mainly because I like to separate those I know from those that I converse with if that makes sense. I loved that on FF I could... more... - travispuk

Whilst I am not 'leaving' FF, I will not be investing anywhere near the type of interaction I have done previous to yesterday's announcement as I just see it as wasted time. - travispuk

I have to wait & see what, I don't want to lose the community; where do I go? This feels like Pownce all over! - clarke thomas

What becomes of the broken hearted? - Joe Dawson

I'm staying on! - Charles Lau

FF is my first big social networking investment (or time) - I'll stay and then move, if forced. I'll certainly investigate other tools in an effort to fill any gap left by FaceFeed. - Jason Miller

I just saw that a woman's twittering her childbirth made the front page of BBC's world news webpage. I don't know to make of it, but I don't want to hang out at Twitter much anymore. - Mitch

Mitch: we Twittered our childbirth in 2007 and we will again in September, but probably not on our main account. - Robert Scoble

i think i'm stayin, and wait what's goin on facebook. i will feel upset if they dont allow the users to make their choice of using one or other site, but looks like they gonna force to use FB instead of FF :( - Dani Martínez

Not sure how on board with FriendFeed I ever was to begin with to be honest... - Gurpreet

FriendFeed will be fine - FaceBook is fine - and so is Twitter - I might check out AmpliFeeder, I suspect quite a few FriendFeeders will migrate there as the days go by. - Chris Loft

Not leaving FF but I can't wait till it's properly integrated with Facebook. Interesting thing: Wave's API is open so there's nothing to stop Facebook creating an app to make Facebook & Wave work great together. Not so much either/or as and... and..! - Matt Moran

Has anyone tried amplifeeder? edit: so far don't see any friending abilities though - metalerik

Why leave? But will be open to see other options - facebook doesn't (currently) provide to me what I get here. - amygeek

Facebook bought friendfeed http://adage.com/digital... - Rob Johnson

I stay on FriendFeed, on Twitter, on Facebook, etc. - Emmanuel Gadenne

I won't delete my account, but as FF morphs into the ball of confusion that is Facebook, I won't be very active. - Jeremy Brooks

I will. No point sticking around when you know it is going to die sooner or later. With twitter you still have the hope.... - Davide D'Incau

I'll leave Facebook if FF gets harmed. And go back to Identi.ca... ;-) - Torrid Luna

I'll stay on FF, FB and T, and BK, and other, BrightKite is not well utilised, is good even on beta. - Andy Ghozali

Robert: If you're looking for an awesome real-time discussion platform, you should migrate to Fluther. http://www.fluther.com - Ben

I'm staying put and watching the ship sink. I'd really like to believe that FriendFeed will have some longevity, but I won't hedge my bets. - Tyson Key

Steve Gillmor said "clue to the denouement: where is the most valuable processing of this event. Right here." so for now, FF looks like the space. - Barbara K. Iverson

I intend to stick around to see what Facebook have planned. I think the takeover has everything to do with the direction FB's been heading in lately, what with their open challenge to Twitter - Dennis Jernberg

I don't see it as leaving, but rather seeing the possibility that it might leave us. FF was and still is just about my favorite site and uberaggregatorthing that I ever saw.... - Rob Schieber

+100 Rob Schieber - Tyson Key

I will stay. Facebook will not Win. - TheHenry

Nope... I'll stay, even if I ride it to a bitter end. - Mark J--Alles Probieren!

depends. if they stay seperate services, i wont like the acquisition,but i'll stay. if they become 1 service, i'm out. and where is every1 going from friend feed anyhow. what else is there? - echostreamer

Will wait and see what happens with FB - Ted Kinzer

fb ruins everything. Have the Privacy policy "not "changed since fb came into the pic? Can they not build their own ideas instead of buying everyone else's? leave us geeks to play in our playground and stay in yours. greedy buggers. The second they pull a skanky fb move i'm out. bitches. - seastarerrin

I'm here till the ship goes down. - Lee Watters

Leaving no. Checking out other venues yes. - Martha

Just maybe Facebook will listen to the Friendfeed engineers in charge of user interface/usability starting with the type size and fonts. Not all marriages are made in heaven. Culture clashes are sure to pop up. - Alan Morris

I am leaving Web - Back to Telnet - Dominique Rabeuf

Dominique, too late. The web already assimilated it with the telnet: url schema. - Bruce Lewis

OK so only snmp/ssh - Dominique Rabeuf

Hell no, not leaving. Best service on the web. - Christopher Galtenberg from iPhone

gonna ride this one out to shore. - Sean Oliver

keep using FriendFeed till they pull the plug. Leaving the service will make it more likely that it will go away. - Cass from IM

hu? - Dries Grobler Jr

back to blogs :-) - Mostafa Lameei

I was about to focus a little more on FF but since I heard about the purchase and read rumors about FF being integrated in FB and being shutdown and all this, I'm getting a little ... well.. undecided.. Just checked Streamy, didn't like it. If a.tinythread.com get's more development, this might be the next thing to migrate to. I'm sure not moving to FaceBook. I have my account, I have... more... - Daniel van Moll

Minitel 3815 (?) - Dominique Rabeuf

Not interested in being part of Facebook. Goodbye, FriendFeed. :-( - TranceMist

I wish more folks would see the big picture. We need to focus on independent projects that are NOT part of the Google-Yahoo-Microsoft borg. As soon as a site gets absorbed it is time to find another independent site. Yes, I do realize that some may have actually been part all along and only pretending they were independent in the first place - especially if they were founded by... more... - Internet Strategist

This post was in response to facebook's purchase of friendfeed... Robert is asking who is leaving because of the purcahse - Chris Heath

not because of the facebook purchase... he left a month ago or so... he comes back from time to time ... mostly because we're talking about him - Chris Heath

You are a cruel, cruel man. Now we're all tortured - Keith Barrett

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There going to buy friendfeed. - Shaun Hess

Yea. I feel like your friendfeed pic, not being able to figure what it is. - Lakshman Prasad

Must be pretty big.. very curious!! - Allan Jones

Geocities 2.0! - pourmecoffee

Maybe Google Chrome OS earlier than expected? - Manuel Mas

I wonder what that could be. - John (bird whisperer)

So they're already giving up on wave? - Colin

How can they be advertising something cooler than Wave when Wave isn't even out yet? - Lise

Colin: no. Wave is very important to Google. - Robert Scoble from iPhone

Wave 2.0? - TheHenry

I think I know, but I'm not allowed to say because it would violate an NDA. - Bryan Bartow

It's Google Surfboard - a wave add-on - Keith Barrett

Bryan: in that case do you agree? - Robert Scoble from iPhone

Wave is going to be awesome. Waiting on my sandbox access.. it will redefine communications on the net! - Tim Hoeck

Or how about Google Wave: Pacific. - TheHenry

Depends on their implementation of the idea. Personally, I'm more excited about Wave based on what I know about the two, which I admit is very little. - Bryan Bartow

I have a Wave sandbox, and it IS awesome! The announcement has to be related to the new OS or android - Keith Barrett

Keith, if it's what I'm talking about then it is neither. - Bryan Bartow

Bryan: hummmmm. Now I'm more tortured - Keith Barrett

In the interest of full disclosure, my information is two levels removed from the source. Google -> vendor -> me. Still, I trust the source and when the idea was told to me it sounded very plausible. - Bryan Bartow

I hope it's Google Base integration with Open Social widgets! - Mitch

A bit bigger than that, Mitch ;) - Bryan Bartow

@manuel I just came back from Win7 ship party and i am astonished that how many man years does it take make a OS. - Ruchit Garg

My team was actually asked to work on the project, but we unfortunately had to decline. It definitely would have been a cool project. - Bryan Bartow

Ruchit: I understand, just speculating. Yet considering it sounds like a Linux distro running Chrome, it does not sound all that impossible. - Manuel Mas

Maybe its the ability to call up contacts list when composing a message. That would be groundbreaking. :/ - JCunwired

Google Heath integration with Orkut? - Mitch

@Bryan: Is it a Netbook with Chrome OS with all the Google Apps built in. Something like a GPad? - Abhishek Tiwari

Chrome OS wouldn't be a real surprise. Even a Linux distro by Google wouldn't be a shock. Wonder what it could be... hmm... - ChristianWV

killer than wave??? how many of you think google wave is a path breaking one????? - hariharan kumar

cool is always relative. I have learned not to get too excited. It may be cool for you but not me. - Phillip Miller

I think you mean subjective - Mitch

hate you. :) - metalerik

When I first heard about Wave, I thought big deal, chat and email. But after watching the entire presentation, I see it could replace Email, IM, IRC, Forums, Blogs and their commenting systems, etc.. and put it all in your 'INBOX' - Tim Hoeck from Android

What about the Google Docs interface overhaul? http://googledocs.blogspot.com/2009... With the possibilities of GDrive ... - Kevin Mohr

Google AdSense on the new Coca-Cola Freestye soda dispensers? - RAD Moose

@Abhishek Nope. Not hardware related if it's what I'm thinking. - Bryan Bartow

I'd be willing to bet it is mobile-related. - Tinfoil 2.0

Google shoul create a highly robust social media platform that integrates Google's products: profiles, mail, calendars, chat, voice, picassa, blogger, gReader, search, latitude, maps - that is what I would build :) - Susan Beebe from BuddyFeed

add Wave too, of course - Susan Beebe from BuddyFeed

I'm just going to call it gootopia (or should it be googtopia. hmm) - Micah from iPhone

Susan, I think that is happening already, bit by bit. Every month there are new capabilities and integration points. I'm optimistic on that front. - Tinfoil 2.0

Interactive TV? :P - imabonehead

I was dreaming about getting access to wave now something new and better?!!! - Mostafa Lameei

Mostafa: There's always something new and better coming from every front. - Manuel Mas

Logical - Google product integration has way more potential than they have currently in production now. I see layers of useful and revenue generating features and improvents. The potential roadmap I see for this is highly disruptive and needed. - Susan Beebe from iPhone

If I had to guess, I would say 1) some type of Youtube Appliance (=Apple TV done right) or 2) Google News 3.0 (shifting from news to a discovery engine). The TV thing is probably bigger and somewhere they have a big competitive advantage with Youtube. - Edwin Khodabakchian

USB plug in directly to right ear download contents of mental zipper - ready to upload to friends - PookyMedia

Another big opportunity besides realtime communication is media streaming so my guess is a Silverlight-like (RIA) platform with special focus on adjustments dependent on the device used for consuming and open enough that augmented reality innovations will play nice with current "standard" codecs - Alberto Saavedra

Google TV!!! Yes! - Susan Beebe from BuddyFeed

Google Web Drive, under the "Cosmo" codename. Read Blogoscoped or GOS. I think Ionut told me he expects Cosmo to be launch before Sept. - Jérôme from iPhone

Google Web Drive would be cooler, in a way..ve. - Nick Humphries

Antimatter Wave, aka Wavenot™ - ianf ⌘

Google buying FF?!! but something big too big have will for sure have a relation with Google voice. - abdellah

A time machine? - Allen Eskelin

"Google buying FF" - Noooooo! It will just get killed like some of the other high profile acquisitions they have made. - travispuk

@Allen I love the concept, @Travis google killed the app that were at their first stage of development, FF is 85% finished (mean completed) the rest 5% will be user innovation, so even if Google buy FF they will not change a line in the code or the architecture.now who is the firt to like this post?!! what did Greader this week? who from Greader left the office to go to FF? too many question!! - abdellah

but let be clear, all the above are just speculation. - abdellah

Nope Abdellah. Cosmo have been mentionned numerous times in official docs and in the code of some apps. - Jérôme from iPhone

@Jerome havn't understand what do you mean by Cosmo - abdellah

I think it's called "hype." - Carlos Eberhardt

It has to be quantum computing. all computation done outside of time and space. - Walter Logeman

I'm thinking Google Chrome with Native Client for super fast rendering of web applications (including Wave). - George Moga

Introducing Google Goo: Making the web squishy, coming late 2009. - DGentry

Won't be hard to be cooler than Wave. Yes, I'm not a big Wave fan: way too noisy, messy, unusable... Maybe I'll change my mind in the future but for now, I still don't get what we'll do with this stuff and I don't buy the idea. - Pascal Thivent

Okay, here are my predictions. First, let me say that being cooler than Wave will be quite hard because that's pretty awesome (do you have sandbox access Pascal? Because I'm sure that will change your mind). (1) Google TV - Never mentioned anywhere officially and would definitely be cooler than most others, however VEVO is somewhat similar. (2) GDrive/Cosmo/whatever they call it - would... more... - Californian

Google World Domination? - Amit Morson

The amount of web-based applications being delivered from Google is amazing. There is so much potential in Google voice apps, Google Wave, which will put their social apps on steroids and now an OS. If they can leverage their brand and fan base into these other verticals; they will be a force to reckoned with and a huge target for anti-trust regulators... - Mark Harai

Google Cloud. In your pocket, on your desk, embedded ---anywhere, anytime at anyprice. - Thom Kennon

Wow Thom - that actually does sound VERY cool... - Mark Harai

I'm interested too!! - Alex Hammer

Probably something to do with a more direct Windows competition. If you look at Google's recent products, many of them are meant to replace Microsoft products. - William Mougayar from iPhone

A multi-platform OS is the only thing in my mind that could top Wave. Can't wait to find out for sure though what this will be! - Garin Kilpatrick

I bet it's the Gdrive after I've just paid for an extra 10GB storage on Google. Would be cool to be able to access all my files from any google app, so I could add a picture from picassa webalbum or embed a video of mine/ favourited without having to go to the other site and copy a URL. This would set it up nicely for google OS - Steven Horner from iPhone

It's a kind of gyro balanced 2-wheel personal transportation device, IT will change everything. The way we live, the way cities are built. - Ray Cromwell

Crazy. I wonder if it will read my mind and stream content related to my thoughts in real-time. - Dane

What!? Cooler than Wave. I'll give my left nut to find out what & to be a tester. - Brian Felix from iPhone

Whatever it is, I'm sure IT WILL BE BIGGER THAN THE INTERNETS! - Andy Bakun

It is a Google-branded reality distortion field developed in collaboration with Apple. The reality distortion field prototype is so strong that Eric Schmidt was forced to resign from the Apple board of directors, lest his field encounter that of Steve Jobs reulting in mutual annihilation in a devastating burst of pure energy. - thegeniusfiles

That's a really interesting idea, Gabe. It seems to go a bit against the drive that Google Apps will reduce the need for IT departments though, so I doubt it. - Californian

This photo search thing? - Michael Q Todd

More exciting than Wave. Has got to be Tsunami - Sidharth Dassani

I've been talking with Chris Pirillo, who runs the Gnomedex conference in Seattle in August (a few weeks away). He has a room that sits about 50 upstairs and asked me if I wanted to do something with it. The problem is it only seats about 50, so can't do anything fancy like have Mark Zuckerberg come and speak, so I thought of you here on FriendFeed and especially in building43. What should we do with the room? Let's discuss some ideas: - Robert Scoble

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Mona will be there too! - Robert Scoble

Will it be in Ohio? ;-) - Jason Hansen

Jason, um, no. Seattle. - Robert Scoble

Hey Robert, I'm down for checking out the building43 talks/panels at Gnomedex - albeit I don't have a startup, but still interested to hear what's going on. - Kenneth

Yeah, sort of wishful thinking & knew that everything cool happens on the west coast. - Jason Hansen

What's the point though? - Andru Edwards

Andru: the problem is that we only have a fairly small room. If we make it too interesting it'll cause trouble. ;-) - Robert Scoble

I'd love to do a series of interviews with local tech startups in Seattle. There's a ton of really great companies there. - Robert Scoble

But mostly I'm looking for ideas and seeing if there's any interest in doing something at Gnomedex? - Robert Scoble

Yeah, I just don't think it fits in to Gnomedex. That's a compliment BTW - it'll take attention away from it. What you SHOULD do, is a separate Building43 event ;) - Andru Edwards

Andru: yeah, we're talking about a separate building43 event anyway. It's just that Chris offered us a room at Gnomedex to do something at. And there are no rules. So, we can do something that fits in there. - Robert Scoble

Well you certainly COULD do something there - I just don't know if it totally fits. That's all I mean. If you do something, I will likely show up, but that means I have to choose, which has never been an issue at Gnomedex before ;) - Andru Edwards

Yeah, that's a problem, isn't it? Personally I like just hanging out in the hallway cause Gnomedex attracts so many interesting people. Maybe we could do that: the unofficial Gnomedex hallway conversation? - Robert Scoble

Yeah but then it becomes more of a gimmick and less of a...tangible thing? Because in the hallway people are going to be discussing all sorts of stuff, regardless of the "unofficial Gnomedex hallway conversation sponsored by Building43" or whatever, know what I mean? What if you did some stuff during breaks on stage? - Andru Edwards

I think that unconferences were the answer to that - have a conference that is more like hanging out in the hallways. That is where the action is. Maybe Gnomedex could add an unconference portion to itself? - MarkDilley

Mark: I like where this is going. Maybe we should get an unconference going about the 2010 Web. - Robert Scoble

I think it is feasible to have an unconference that aligns with the official conference goal 'A single-track conference with quality content' - I have been involved with several unconferences that haven't worked, but I think that it is because they competed for attention. We could propose something like 2 unconference sessions in the morning followed by 2 or 3 scheduled conference sessions followed by 1 or 2 unconference sessions, so the participants are never asked to choose. - MarkDilley

Mark: unfortunately Gnomedex is already planned, so anything we do will be competition. I am thinking of something like "for developers only, come build the 2010 web unconference style." Does that sound interesting? Gnomedex's schedule is here: http://www.gnomedex.com/events... - Robert Scoble

Lindsay and I will be at Gnomedex. I'm not sure if we'll be ready to spill the beans on our sekkrit project though. Maybe to a select few. :D - iTad

Tad: what, you having a baby? If you don't tell us we'll just make it up. :-) - Robert Scoble

For Goddess' sake Robert, no! Only you're fool enough to have a baby (or two) after 40! - iTad

Tad: it's a lot of fun. We're potty training and oh so much fun. Heheh. - Robert Scoble

Yeah - we went through that 10 years ago with Avynn. Most difficult thing I've ever done. Never again. (hopefully) - iTad

Anyway, back to the topic, what, if anything, should we do at Gnomedex? - Robert Scoble

Let's plan out what needs to be done to make Intelligent Agents a reality. I think we've got the technology right now - we just need to put it all together properly. - iTad

Build out a virtual unconference. Complete with live video streaming and live FriendFeed chat. Incorporate real-time technologies to demonstrate how the "2010 web" will change the way we collaborate. Don't hold back. Use this as a blueprint to present to other companies. - Bwana ☠

Will this be on Friday or Saturday? - Brad Butner

You got the title already Robert: the 2010 web unconference, and you moderate the conversations with anyone interested in presenting their visions - Alberto Saavedra from Nambu

That's too vague. Let's concentrate on something more concrete and interesting. The 2010 web will be what it will be. Let's create something that might not be if not for us. - iTad

Tad: vague is good because it will be decided by the people who show up in true unconference style. Brad: not sure yet, probably on second day, but mostly we wanted to see if we could get enough interest first. - Robert Scoble

I like Alberto's idea. What you could do is have a sign-up form and give people a spot on the form to express their interest in presenting a vision (or reality) to the rest of the group there. That way you could have a very clear idea of who is all interested, have an idea of how many people want to share (because it's no fun if everyone there just shows up to listen and not share), and... more... - Brad Butner

Well, there are going to be a lot of people floating around in the hallway... do we just leave it open or what? - Ⓒⓗⓡⓘⓢ Ⓟⓘⓡⓘⓛⓛⓞ

Robert - I was thinking for next year Gnomedex :-) a full unconference track. Maybe this year - a developers unconference with a session on thursday afternoon, friday night - or maybe just do a one day on sunday! any way to vibe off of the positiveness that is Gnomedex. - MarkDilley

l0ckergn0me - I wonder if having a space for open space will work - you have an awesome event planned (and tradition) that work best when not trying to throw in open space - if you like the idea, planning for it next year would be the sweet spot, me thinks. - MarkDilley

Anyone considered renting a boat and doing an unconference cruise around the harbor? could leave right from the center. I'd be up for anything unconventional, Gnomedex is the bright spot on the calendar. - Greg Birch

Would have been cool if this was planned a little earlier - you could have used the room like a wider hallway ;) and used a tweet hashtag to have gatherings there just for 10 mins at a time (4-5 times during the conf) over various topics. That should dilute the crowd . OR just use the room as a real time art/story building space - people can come and go and build a story around Gnomedex - Maya

As you know, we've done an unconference day for http://www.northernvoice.ca on the Friday before the traditional Saturday conference. We've eventually distilled it down to a series of mini-camps--PhotoCamp, VideoCamp, uh, whatever else the attendees want. Not quite an unconference, but not a formal conference, either. It might work for the Gnomedex crowd. - Darren Barefoot

Both. I am a tablet freak. - Robert Scoble from iPhone

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Crunchpad. Apple will lock me down to Mac, itunes, etc. I am hoping crunchpad will be more open in terms of compatibility. - karthick

But I bet the Crunchpad will be more affordable so I will buy more of that. - Robert Scoble from iPhone

Crunchpad. I will not be locked out by Apple again! http://mdeslaur.blogspot.com/2009... Crunchpad is Linux based, which makes it a sweet deal tbh - Rami Taibah

Both. Apple's [ghost]Tablet for the amazing interface. Crunchpad because of overall awesomeness and it being a product of total love for the industry. - Sam Dodge

Apple Tablet. They come with Jobs' Reality Distortion Field. - Phil Earnhardt

Windows based tablets are okay (i have one), but I think I would buy a Apple tablet, love the simplicity of their products. - Allen Harkleroad

wait for an Android tablet to come soon....i have a feeling it'll be soon - Ⓐ ☠ slayerboy ☠ Ⓐ

Price Points? I don't see the point of a tablet over a lightweight 13 inch macbook. With a table you have to bend your knees up or if your sitting hunch over, with a notebook it adjusts. I don't see the point unless they are way lighter and less expensive - Stephen Pickering

I'd go with the Apple, because you arent' locked to just a browser. - Jimminy, CoG of FF

I like the iphone interface and with a larger screen it would make a compelling tablet but I think the 3rd option will be best: Android tablet - Murray Barton

Apple Tablet. - Oguz Serdar

Stephen: to get on my coffee table it has to be a tablet. - Robert Scoble from iPhone

I'd love to see an Apple Tablet that could replace the blank paper and clipboard I usually carry around. - Sam Dodge

Impossible to say since we don't know all the info. - Eric Florenzano

Android and Moblin will also be contenders. Expect nifty gadgets powered by these two - Rami Taibah

Comes down to input and interface, for me. I'll need some time to play with typing (or whatever text-entry method Apple ends up using) and web browsing to see which one I prefer before making a call. Given Apple's past strengths, I assume they'll win out here, but I remain open-minded. - Pete Mortensen

Crunchpad this year, the Tablet looks like it will be a pricey beta product in its first version so I will wait for when Apple get it right. - Alberto Saavedra

I love my Nokia Internet Tablet, something larger than that (Maemo/Moblin?) would be great. - Joshua Lee

_always_ the non-apple device. since the china death over iPhone it is a question of ethics. - Mark Jacobs

Are you deciding by brand alone? What about waiting for the final specifications? - Amit Morson

Apple tablet gonna cost a fortune, so crunchpad for me. - Fajar Nurdiansyah

plus apple tablet is bound to have the usual flaws. to save $0.01 they probably will use the one spare part which makes the system dysfunctional way before its time - Mark Jacobs

Apple because I'm am Apple fiend. Isn't there a company out there that already turns MacBooks into something like a tablet? I can't remember who, but I think I remember trying to win one at MacWorld '09. - Kriselle Laran from iPhone

neither ill stay with my netbook and my lg-incite .. both the crunchpad and the "apple" thing are way to much $ for what they do - xhozt

yeah not too keen on crunchpad after Arrington's effort around twittergate... - ben rogers

As long as I can connect a full keyboard (USB or Bluetooth, doesn't matter to me), Apple Tablet. - Eric Dunlap

Would like one with an active tablet still. Taking notes with a stylus is preferred rather than using a finger on a capacitive touch screen. - Rodfather

I'm an Apple fiend myself, using a Mac mini, but the Nokia Internet tablet has better build quality than the iPod touch. Of course, the iPod touch has a better interface.... - Joshua Lee

no, of course not by law, morally they bare all the responsability. jobs is simply a despotic dictator obsessed with secrecy. hard to imagine apple did not hand down that pressure to china. - Mark Jacobs

I'm waiting to see what the crunchpad is like.... - Joshua Lee

Apple will get it right the first time, Linux-based devices on the other hand are hit and miss.... - Joshua Lee

Apple Tablet. - TheHenry

Mark: when I was in China the supply chain guys told me they would lose millions if anything about Apple leaked. Plus workers are TOTALLY tied to their employers. They live in housing given to them by employers. - Robert Scoble from iPhone

Apple. Crunch doesn't suit my needs, which means I don't have to mention the individual who offended me. - MiniMage, enterRUPPted

Did anyone see Arrington on Charlie Rose? - Stephen Pickering

Yes, honestly, I'd probably grab both regardless. - Rodfather

I did. - Robert Scoble from iPhone

 - Don Strickland

Apple all the way. Ease of use is a given. - Jeff Foong from iPhone

Did you see the look on Charlie's face when asked about VC funding and Arrington snapped back, "I'm not going to answer that question" - Stephen Pickering

Yeah! - Robert Scoble from iPhone

Hehehehehheeheh - Stephen Pickering

Anyway when are these things going to ship? - Stephen Pickering

Maybe one day we'll see a cheap 10-11" convertible netbook with a real active tablet. Doubtful though. All the slates are too expensive too. - Rodfather

*nix + Mac finish, 10Ks Apps day 1, robust & ready out of box ... Linux is awesome, but I just don't have time for less than Apple anymore. - Don Strickland

Nothing has been announced about either, haven't held one in my hands, seen final images, or used either. No way to answer. If I had to guess, and could only choose one? Apple. - Andru Edwards from iPhone

Too early to comment, but I guess Apple... - Tahir

Apple Tablet... I've already seen what Apple can do with a mobile platform. They have the engineering and R&D teams that have proven themselves. It might take a revision or two of the Crunchpad to really make with worth something. Also, isn't the Crunchpad going to book straight into a browser and that's all? Odds are there's going to be a lot of functionality in the Apple tablet. If... more... - Matthew Williams

Apple no question - sofarsoShawn BAZINGA!

A jailbroken tablet! - Peter Tonoli

Both, but I'll go with Apple at the end of the day. Apple has history, the R&D credential and legacy. - Paul Papadimitriou

Credit to @arrington for the Crunchpad, but an Apple tablet is gonna kill it. Techcrunch just can't compete when you look at the brand reach outside the hardcore tech community. - Roger Oldham

Nexus: Phone vs Computer (web/partial vs full OS) Question: are their other players yet to show hands?... we know Crunchpad, Apple Tablet.. are Google?, Microsoft?, Phonemakers? Computer makers? going to sit out on this new game? More i think on this CES Jan looks more like tablet wars.... - Tristan Hambling

Apples strength is the interaction between hardware and software. They are designed for each other. All other products are a compromise. Until and if Google comes up with an Android device similar to an Apple Tablet (if one ever materialises) it's a one horse race. - Gilbert Harding

You ain't got nothing unless you got it all :) seriously - there was a reason why people stopped using PDA's - they could do almost everything the PDA could on a phone. I don't want more devices in my bag - I want less. Unless Apple comes up with a better design then what has been suggested online - I think it will flop big time. If they are making one..... Not ITablet - IFoleo :) - Asgeir

@Apostol: What is the ratio of Iphone/Ipod users owning a Mac versus owning a PC? Maybe +/- 10% - Asgeir

Apple tablet, I know what I am getting and it has the company to back it. I see buying the crunch pad as being part of an experiment might be interesting, but not my first choice - Kim Landwehr from BuddyFeed

Next question: What features make sense in tablet form factor? eg..Full / Parital OS, Phone, Camera, Video, Compass, Wifi. Touch, Battery Life? Motion sensor, Microscope, TV tuner, 3D/Augmented Reality? Harddisk/Ram sizes? - Is this product ultimately really big Iphone or slimmed down computer with phone & touch extras added to pc? - Tristan Hambling

both so you can compare and complain about the other here :) - Lisa Immekus

If the Crunchpad launches in the UK at the right price-point, I'm there. - Steve Farnworth

It is like ohh, lets bridge the gap between phone and computer. That is so stuck in the 90's kind of thinking. I'd say, remove the bridge. Just give me one device that does everything. One device to rule them all, and in darkness bind them - Asgeir

I'd say the Crunchpad will be considerably cheaper, and it will be strong. Not to knock Mike, but you know you are getting quality hardware and software from Apple, so I'd definitely have to go Apple Tablet. - Chris Brakebill

Apple tablet with W7 on it, or Asus tablet 6 months after the Apple tablet :) - Kirill Petrovsky

Honestly this seems more like a Crunchpad v Netbook discussion to me. The 32GB ipod touch is $400, which is the cost of most netbooks on the market. I couldn't imagine the Apple Tablet being any less than $850. As a result, if the Crunchpad comes out BEFORE Christmas (which will be essential for market presence), AND the price is competitive with a netbook, I would then consider it as... more... - thestaticfrost

If the Apple iTablet is $700, maybe CrunchPad. If CrunchPad is $300-$400 w/o iPhone or iTouch interfaces, then CrunchPad will struggle. Apple iTable is a monster mktg machine. will be fun to catch and see what happens. I am rooting a low price point on the CrunchPad. If so, then I'll buy it. - jebbdykstra

Arrington should create a page on techcrunch dedicated to the Crunchpad asap...it's difficult to access "official info" about the status of the 'pad...requires some drilling down on the blog. - Stephen M. Otto

Apple Tablet because Arrington's a d-bag - Martin Johnson

Apple as I can buy apple care with it. - Darren Stuart

Whichever has Flash and can play Bejeweled Blitz... - ydfeed

i wouldve bought both but im not a fan of buying anything from @arrington. for some reason i just dont trust the guy. being completely a hypocrite, i still read tech crunch on a hourly basis. - Tobias Lewsadder

there is the case of a certain itunes app called dslr remote - Peter Harris

If it was strictly between Apple and the Crunchpad; I'd go with the Crunchpad in a heartbeat. Though, I am also one that would wait for an Android tablet, which may be better able to compete with Apple--especially given the news about Android 2.0. - Rishabh Mishra (p248)

get the pads not the tabs - sofarsoShawn BAZINGA!

You can go the Apple route and know the reliability and support you will get - or buy a crunchpad. - Jim Connolly

Easy: The CrunchPad, especially if they leave the software system open so it is hackable. I don't want or need the lock-in and proprietary stuff that will be in an Apple product. A crunchpad running Linux opens up a lot of opportunities for doing my own thing. Plus, I imagine the crunchpad will be cheaper. And if they look anything like the videos of the prototypes that have been out, they definitely still look sleek. - Travis B. Hartwell

It is easy to speculate but I will have to look at both the devices and see which fits for my use. Apple will bring public attention to such devices just as Iphone made Touchscreen phones cool. - Ashish

Both give two different things. Apple's Tablet of course with the stunning UI and usability and the Crunchpad with great overall ability. - wiredgnome

I don't really even see them competing directly. The Apple is for a completely different audience. As a geek, I'll always choose TechCrunch over Apple. - peter

why not both! Apple is 4 consumers. Crunchpad 4 geeks! If Crunchpad markets it rite, I think there could be a potential:) - polou/indigo_bow

CrunchPad! - Daniel Brusilovsky

both Of course the Apple one will rock and Ill wait for Pogue to review the Crunchpad. Ill get it too if he likes it - JTC

@jeff is Jeff Clavier, well known Silicon Valley Venture Capitalist. @timoreilly is Tim OReilly who runs O'Reilly Publishing. @davewiner is Dave Winer is a famous developer/innovator. @ev is Evan Williams, Twitter CEO. @notsecretscoble is my account where I've hand picked about 800 to follow. - Robert Scoble

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1. Jeff is most like me. Very geeky, but he has far fewer people he's following than the others. - Robert Scoble

2. Tim O'Reilly follows lots of government people and brands, which matches what he recently told me, that he's trying to learn more about Washington DC. - Robert Scoble

Looks like this might become a compelling conversation. - David Damore

3. I also compared @ev (Ev Williams, Twitter's CEO). His used to match much more closely Dave Winer's or Tim O'Reilly's accounts, but now has many more movie stars and celebrities. - Robert Scoble

4. There are a lot of commonalities between all these accounts. - Robert Scoble

5. On my account if I couldn't tell you a story about the person, I didn't add them. Most of the people on my following account I've met face-to-face. - Robert Scoble

6. Most of the others follow a lot more brands than I do, both news brands like the New York Times, as well as other brands. I like following people more than brands. - Robert Scoble

What else would you like to know? - Robert Scoble

7. I am more convinced than every that the inbound people pay attention to DOES define who they are. - Robert Scoble

What is one insight you have pulled from those you follow? - David Damore

David: that following people you've met face-to-face is more enjoyable than following just 100,000 that you haven't met. - Robert Scoble

I agree with number 7. I also like to keep my twitter full of people I mostly know, have met or want to meet. - Luke Kilpatrick

David: and that keeping the inbound (IE, people you follow) down to people who REALLY add value to you, makes the signal MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH higher. - Robert Scoble

Your follows will be mostly US-based people, and wherever you visit, then? - Aaman (Clone of FF)

Washington DC? He picked a complicated enough place to learn about. - Dean Clark

I have two screens, one with the 100,000 and one with my 700 hand picked followings and, damn, the two aren't even close to in the same league. - Robert Scoble

be. careful. robert. all that testosterone is a DANGEROUS thing! - jeneane sessum

those 99k are a lot of extra noise... A threshold level of relevancy is hard to get from those you don't know. - David Damore

Aaman: not true. I've been all over the world and have people all over the world in my list. - Robert Scoble

Robert I agree with the face-to-face part. Thats what makes tweetups so great. You get to meet the ones you follow and vice versa. - BRҰANSAҰS

David: yeah, but I don't think the noise is due to not having met them. It's due to something else. - Robert Scoble

David: even on my list there are some who provide GREAT value and some who just are, well, noisy. - Robert Scoble

Robert Scoble: What is that app you run that tracks your travels? Remember seeing it all the time months back. - David Damore

I like to follow people with whom I have something in common (programmers, tech people, geeks) that I can feel connected to. But I also follow a few related to my company's (GoldMail) business, and a few unrelated just because they seem interesting. Wjhat does that say about me? - RobinDotNet from iPhone

When ever I follow someone back, I usually ask is that person someone I would be interested in meeting. If the answer is no, then I don't follow. I think this idea will start to be the way that twitter evolves rather than a race to see who can get more followers. Its about engagement and value rather than a noisy number. - Luke Kilpatrick

David: I think there's an 80/20 rule going here. 20% provide 80% of the value, and the fact that there's a lot of commonality shows that most of us recognize that value pretty quickly. So there is something to popularity (real popularity, not the fake kind as granted by the Twitter Suggested User List). - Robert Scoble

David: Dopplr? If I keep it up, that is. TripIt is my favorite travel app. - Robert Scoble

If you knew them... a tweet such as... "baby is sick tonight" reaches the threshold.... so when you talk with the contact.... you can ask about the baby... The relationship takes what one person calls noise and makes it relevant information. - David Damore

RobinDotNet: I think that is a good strategy for twitter. I usually follow that same paradigm. - BRҰANSAҰS

Yep. beleive it was Doplr. Pareto, know it well. So critical to know and understand. - David Damore

David: good point, you'll put up with more noise from people who are closer to you because that noise becomes more useful. - Robert Scoble

I don't care how many follow me. I won't follow someone just because they follow me. Lots of them are parasitic, just want something from me -- buy something or click through. - RobinDotNet from iPhone

Twitter and technology for that matter are so free flowing in how they can be used. There is no on right way to use. People need to remain flexible and adaptable to changing conditions. - David Damore

Robin: I agree with you there. On the other hand, it is interesting to see if people you like are following you. Even more importantly, do they engage with you and really read you? - Robert Scoble

David: all of the people I studied tonight had quite different lists than they had a year ago. The most different from a year ago? @ev's. - Robert Scoble

Robert: How do you gauge how those who follow you perceive you? Its a difficult task, is it not? - BRҰANSAҰS

Bryan: get them drunk and ask. :-) - Robert Scoble

Would you say those folks are all successful? My guess is that they all are. Success like innovation is build upon leveraging changing conditions. - David Damore

Oh, people who follow more than 2,000? Useless. - Robert Scoble

LoL Nice one. - BRҰANSAҰS

David: but the way people use technology evolves as the technology matures. There are so many different ways to use a communication tool. Twitter, and things like it are a bit of a new kind of animal versus what was there before. I personally rank twitter or friendfeed, up there with the website, the bbs and Instant Messaging as a communication media that can change in may ways. - Luke Kilpatrick

David: yes. And they all are among my favorite people to read. - Robert Scoble

Good thing I only follow 1,200 or so peeps, - David Damore

David: yeah, about 2,000 is the cut off for intimacy. I've been all over the world and met with many thousands of people and I still struggle to come up with more than that. I'm not adding everyone I've met just to try to keep noise down. - Robert Scoble

Robert, you're right, I think by "I don't care" I mean I don't follow back without checking people out, or at least read their previous tweets. I like it when people I know join Twitter, but few of my friends have. Not very geeky. One of the great things about Twitter is that I have been able to connect to so many others who are geeks, who understand why my pulse quickens when I walk into a Fry's store. :-) - RobinDotNet from iPhone

1,200? I check my list at least once a month to get rid of people and haven't really ever gone over 100 for long. - Dean Clark

I wouldn't keep up with 300 to follow, gotta work sometimes ;) - Franck Curier

Luke: whats the difference between twitter and basically "public email"? Its a communication tool that everyone can see. Thats how I perceive it, except for the DMs. - BRҰANSAҰS

I follow more than I am followed by about a 2-1 ratio. That's because I am using Twitter to listen and engage as much, if not more, than I use Twitter to broadcast. But still, I'm close to my limit (around 1k). And I'm starting to purge those who I thought might be interesting but are just there for marketing. I'm there to learn and meet, not be sold. - AllisonWagda

Right now I'm looking at @Furrier's list. He's following 2,360, which is too many, but love that he follows PGAGolf. These things tell you a lot about a person, as much as Facebook's profile does! - Robert Scoble

I think that 250-350 reasonable twitterers works well. More if you can cut out the blabber mouths. - Sam Pullara

@Scoble: Would also apply the 80/20 to 2000. If the top 20% post all the :"great" content one could follow many more people. The problem with following more than say 800 is that you lose out on the low velocity users. For those folks it might be a better idea to set up an RSS feed for them. - David Damore

Being one of the founders, @ev should be considered differently, whenever you examine his followers list, after all most people would probably prefer getting CEO's feed, hoping to get quality info regarding Twitter. As for the rest, many people would rather prefer following quality content and engaging users, while followers "hunters" will go with everyone, because they think their voice will resonate best with bots. - Nir Ben Yona

Sam: that number will vary based on how good a networker they are. My brothers? Probably only need that many. I need more than 1,000. - Robert Scoble

Sam, how do you define blabbermouth? - RobinDotNet from iPhone

Allison: I'm a bit of a lurker as well. I learn more from twitter than I contribute but I'm trying to change that. - BRҰANSAҰS

Bryan: 1. The 140 limit makes you be clearer in your thoughts. 2. Its a broader reach than an email. 3. The almost countless ways to consume a twitter feed on many devices. 4. Twitter is a networking tool that can get you introduced to someone in a way that email can not. I have met more and built more relationships via twitter than any other tech. - Luke Kilpatrick

Nir: knowing @ev I assume that the movie stars are there just for business reasons, not for personal reasons. I bet that if @ev wasn't running Twitter he'd be complaining about all the celebrities on Twitter. - Robert Scoble

Bryan - I didn't mean I'm quiet on Twitter - I'm *way* too social to keep my mouth shut. ;) - AllisonWagda

In a way, who you follow is a sort of gesture. I follow some people that I want to interview, or that I think will signal to the rest of you the kinds of people I want to be introduced to at parties. :-) - Robert Scoble

Luke: Those are all correct, its the next evolutionary step in communication. Just like email was over its predecessor, snail mail. - BRҰANSAҰS

Wow, John Furrier follows all the high tech brands. He's signaling to the world that he wants to do business with them. :-) - Robert Scoble

Robert: That's interesting. Clearly, I don't have any idea about it, but I think we've all seen that implication, in Twitter's leaked documents (re: Diddy). - Nir Ben Yona

Robert, et al. - this is a great conversation! I am really thinking I need to totally clean out my follows. Signal to Noise ratio has really gotten bad, even with Tweetdeck and other tools - Susan Beebe from BuddyFeed

One thing I notice about @ev's tweets is they don't seem to be targeted for any segment of followers. Where my tweets usually fall into either Adobe Usergroups / ColdFusion / Fireworks, Social media or Surfing. Do you find that you tweet with a targeted segment of your followers in mind? - Luke Kilpatrick

Luke: with Tim O'Reilly? Absolutely. With the others there's a focus, but not as focused as Tim. - Robert Scoble

Robert: I do enjoy following Tim O'Reilly as almost all of his posts have a good and relevant link to what I am interested in. He is definitely in my want to meet someday category. - Luke Kilpatrick

Sometimes I follow someone for one reason, then find them interesting for another reason too. Luke-- would like to come watch you surf. Find it fascinating. Watched it a lot last time I was in Hawaii. - RobinDotNet from iPhone

Robin : I go out everyday almost, let me know when ever you can make the trip to Half Moon Bay. Still you never get the full feel of surfing until you do it. - Luke Kilpatrick

Luke, I'll do that! I do come over that way every now and then. Just had knee surgery, swimming forbidden for 4 months. I'd be happy to hang out on the beach in the wind and sun. Or just the wind, since a reputable source said there's no traffic in HMB unless it's sunny. - RobinDotNet from iPhone

This topic brings back to mind one feature I would like TweetDeck to provide, the ability to share groups as OPML. In my other account I receive more tweets than I can read, so my columns are organized by interest priority, I just realized that this won't help too much your analysis since Ev and Dave usually tweet from web and Jeff and Tim from Seesmic. - Alberto Saavedra

As I thought @Furrier is following a lot of dead accounts, so he isn't keeping his Following list very clean. I've found this to be true of almost every one with more than 2,000 accounts. - Robert Scoble

@Scoble: What did you use to check for "dead accounts"? - David Damore

David: manually going through each of them and seeing the last entry is "follow me over here" or seeing that they haven't updated in a year. - Robert Scoble

I am intrigued by how small the group who has influence is... It seems to be less than 50 people!! - Wayne Mansfield

Wayne: nah, it's actually a few hundred. :-) - Robert Scoble

Thought there was an app for that. - David Damore

Hi Robert. I'd be interested to know *why* your list is using Twitter - their primary purpose. Is it to sell things, because they think they should be there, to keep abreast of what others are doing, to find opportunities...all of these? None? - WoH: Minding her Steves

WorldofHiglet: most of us started in the early days, when it was something cool to do to keep in touch with other people in the valley and SF. Now it's changed to be more business and/or building a specific kind of audience. - Robert Scoble

I think everyone uses twitter in a slightly different way, many start using it for one reason and end up with another. I started using it to keep up with Adobe Usergroup People scattered across the planet but, I find I use it more for sharing Surfing info with a collection about about 100 surfers around the world. - Luke Kilpatrick

That's what I thought, and the use seems to have changed organically. But it seems that Twitter is less relevant now to some of these early adopters. Is this because they are getting what they need (whatever that might be) from something else or is it more to do with them having changed the way they do things? - WoH: Minding her Steves

Robert a few hundred is still not many... for the power of the medium!! - Wayne Mansfield

WorldofHiglet: a lot of the early adopters are on Facebook or FriendFeed, so their usage has spread out. But there's still a lot on Twitter. I'm watching the flow and it's going pretty good. - Robert Scoble

I agree Twitter has a lot of legs to it yet - I was thinking more that some early adopters are at the end of the user life cycle for Twitter (I was reading this earlier http://ui-patterns.com/blog... and it seemed relevant) - WoH: Minding her Steves

I think friendfeed has captured up many of the early adopters as you can have great conversations on it like this one. It kinda reminds me of the old days of IRC, but with a more focused topic and engaged group. Also much more open with peoples real identities rather than anonymous user names. I like how more people are willing to user their real identity online now. - Luke Kilpatrick

I'm a big @davewiner fan! - wiredgnome from iPod

Luke, I think Shane made a good point regarding the basic difference between FF comments and IRC back on another thread with, "live commenting on a blog or FF doesn't necessarily demand all attention like IRC or IM would tend to make you feel you have to stay participating. Remember, some people still have fun with the conversation and add value even though they don't realize it's live" http://friendfeed.com/scoblei... - Micah

@Luke: I still love IRC, primarily because it's much smaller groups, much less noise, and you can get to know people much better. I think IRC will always be my first love when it comes to real-time online communication with a group. I always felt like Twitter was broken compared to IRC, because it was like people were there but not there and it's not the same crowd for everyone there,... more... - April

I just find that IRC can be random and reasonably exclusive. I have pretty much stopped using IRC about 8 years ago when most of the people I regularly communicated moved over to instant messaging. Friendfeed is bringing back the public face of IRC, but with the longer term archive of the conversation that is lost on IRC. Every tech has its strengths and weaknesses. Just like I tell most of the fan boys I meet, I use the best tool I can find for the job at hand. - Luke Kilpatrick

Luke: I totally agree with you. I used to be a heavy IRC user. I will +NEVER+ go back. - Robert Scoble

Robert, One of the things that is interesting about what you put out with this discussion is how radically different approaches and methodology can still present specific results based on search and keyword approaches. In this case, each user demonstrates to the rest of us how to exactly get what you want out of twitter, and for that matter friendfeed and facebook too. - Alan W Silberberg

I really wish that FriendFeed was threaded so we could really have this conversation as it is interesting and I'd like to engage with it... however, this endless list of comments is terrible. Robert: I can see how it is possible to follow 1000 people if that is what you do for a living, like you do. RobinDotNet: someone who says more than 10 things a day with a low signal to noise ratio but has some hidden gems. I use FriendFeed to find the gems by following them here and waiting for comments. - Sam Pullara

On my @thomasknoll account I follow over 1k people that I have met, or who are interested in a few things I pay close attention to (social anthropology, community building, value networks). I don't know everyone on that account personally, but I do remove noise. I have another private account where I only follow people who I would happily give a key to my home. - Thomas Knoll

I follow some people just to get a conflicting view from what I believe. Just because you follow does not mean you are an actual follower. - Ken

I've been struggling with my "follow" policy for a while. As time goes on and I meet more and more people face to face, I'm moving slowly in that direction. I might just completely adopt it after SXSW '10. - Trent Hamm

Twitter is extremely limited in that it isn't possible to set up groups, so in fact one has to set up different accounts. I have one account that is quite small, updates protected, that follows only a handful of people I know personally. I can see every update in this account easily (oops, have to use the new official term "tweet"). I have another account that doesn't tweet and only... more... - Robert Morrison

My analysis of where FriendFeed has gone wrong. Keep in mind that FriendFeed is growing faster than many blogs are, and is outpacing TechMeme, for instance. - Robert Scoble

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FF needs Shaq. - mtlb

FF is an incubator for Facebook - Peter Warnock

Someone said they can't believe FriendFeed isn't gaining momentum. It is, but not at the same rate Facebook and Twitter are. - Robert Scoble

I don't think FriendFeed can compete with Facebook. I don't think it should, they're different tools. - Glenn Slaven

friendfeed is not so easy for most people to "use" or view, I think twitter is the easiest, facebook is good for people who like it.. I 'use" friendfeed to post things that go to twitter and facebook but I do not come here a lot to read posts. After reading a page of posts and comments I have had enough, it is like reading 15+ blogs with comments, a little too bulky? - David Gross

8-10% of ALL techmeme posts are from TechCrunch why such a high rate? - Benjamin Taylor

Why compare? I like FF for what it is. I don't want it to be in the same convo as Twitter and FB. It has nicely defined user base, a distinct design and functionality and has 2 great uses: conversation and self-aggregation - Dave Ferrick

"The search industry has a dirty secret: 99% of people don’t click on advanced search, yet FriendFeed requires you to click on that button to use it in any useful way." You're right, but I find it interesting that FriendFeed's advanced search is the only advanced search I use. Maybe FriendFeed is a tool for the more advanced social networkers? Maybe it's not for everyone. - Kevin Gamble

FF needs SMS before it gets Shaq - Jesse Stay

I think FF is hesitant to make it a full-blown Twitter client because that would import all the spam. - Peter Warnock

In terms of FriendFeed it's a fantastic tool for setting up a "lifestream" feed to your blog. really simple way to own your social media without plugins - Benjamin Taylor

Robert, FriendFeed will catch on...in 2010 - Benjamin Taylor

Compete can't measure everything. For example, they think fftogo.com had 320 visits last month. - Bruce Lewis

They can just make a really good FriendFeed client. What we are doing right now is the hidden power of FriendFeed. Allowing people to continue the conversation beyond the original post. - Dave Mora

@Jesse Isn't twitter the SMS input? - Peter Warnock

I find this a hilarious slap in the face for you Scoble, but honestly, FriendFeed does not have the simplicity of Twitter to be quite honest, and I have a much higher chance of using Twitter with a third party app than this. Still, it's all about if you're friends or people you want to watch are on here, and for me, they aren't, - Chris

Seconding alex's question. I would use a FF iPhone app in a heartbeat - Tristan Walker from iPhone

I mainly use friendfeed to post to it for people who like to read (bookmarklet and other stuff) and so friendfeed can post to twitter and facebook. I would like if it posted to myspace too :o) - David Gross

Dave has a great point, it's FF provides a deeper layer of the conversation - Benjamin Taylor

Robert, the list is backwards... it should be API, Mobile, monetization, etc.. - Alberto Saavedra

They need SMS before an iPhone app - most of the nation still does not have internet on their cell phone - Jesse Stay

Alberto: it's 4 a.m. here in London and the list is in no particular order, just straight off the top of my head. - Robert Scoble

friendfeed is NOT mobile unless you are on an iphone.. - David Gross

FF tripped these past two months because of a lack of iphone apps, lack of a good SUL, lack of a good intro for new members, lack of comments happening for new members. While FF has moved forward on some fronts - they still need better integration into blogs then we'll see a better uptake. - LPH™ and his dog P™

John, exactly! The only thing I truly use this for is the occasional conversation bit and tying last.fm to my Twitter account. - Chris

SMS can't be the answer right away, particularly when the major value add for FF is in the threaded conversation. - Tristan Walker from iPhone

David, even on an iphone, FF trips - LPH™ and his dog P™

Tristan - FriendFeed will never go to the masses if they don't have SMS support - Jesse Stay

even if we forget the thought of monetization - my idea about creating a whitelabel ff to replace forums would drastically increase the usage and the understanding of the service - http://www.centernetworks.com/friendf... - ff has to get out from under the early adopter rock - without going down the exact same path as twitter - my suggestion does exactly that. - Allen Stern

@LPH o rly? so it is not so easy to make it mobile.. - David Gross

John, as effective as Twitter. Most remote people can't access it via the internet, but they can via SMS. Twitter is making SMS work - FriendFeed can as well. - Jesse Stay

I agree Jesse, but what does that product look like? How does one keep up with the 'conversation' and stay relevant - Tristan Walker from iPhone

Tristan, the same way they're doing the IM link above - Jesse Stay

i disagree with the sms talk - all it would do is help the current users use it more - that's worthless for ff now - sorry jesse don't hate me :) - Allen Stern

sms would not work, even email does not work and I get that on my phone.. there is too much of it.. - David Gross

Allen, I think it would get new users. Many users use Twitter mostly through SMS - it's what made Twitter appealing for me. It's why I used Twitter in South Dakota and Minnesota and Wyoming and not FriendFeed. - Jesse Stay

I like what Posterous is doing in terms of post methods - Benjamin Taylor

It's just not inviting. A fraction too complicated. I signed up but really haven't used it since but I'm active on twitter because it's simple and I can do it with 1% of my brain. FF doesn't give me that and yet I know why it is technically a 'better' more advanced system than Twitter - philhenley

I have to clean up my gmail before I go mobile because on my phone this conversation will be multiple messages even though in gmail it is one conversation lol - David Gross

jesse - as robert noted - most people using twitter have no reason to be on ff - my sister is one of them - she has no need to aggregate a bunch of services - so sms won't "move" or "add" new users from twitter. my discussion board idea would. - Allen Stern

The current FriendFeed audience is anti-SMS though. You guys will never be for it, but mark my words - the audience FriendFeed does want that will bring in the masses will come when they enable SMS - Jesse Stay

David - the iphone apps are not quite good enough and the mobile interface on the iphone is worthless if the subscriptions are too high. - LPH™ and his dog P™

Allen, FriendFeed needs a simpler layer, and I think SMS is part of that. People don't have to use the whole thing, or even know it exists. They need a simple way to post statuses from anywhere they belong. So long as we're comparing them to Twitter, they have to do what Twitter does. Otherwise, why are we comparing them to Twitter at all? - Jesse Stay

allen, I am on twitter and I love FF, I read blogs in google reader and any blog I share is posted to twitter through ff, I can favorite a youtube video from their mobile site and it is also posted on twitter through ff - David Gross

Jesse I'm a big big fan of SMS..I use it for Twitter all the time...but I could not imagine using SMS for a conversation like this. Sms does the job when it comes to status updates and notifications. No brainer - Tristan Walker from iPhone

In terms of the gains at twitter and Facebook, flat isn't bad. Although a few percentage points would have been nice. - Michael Fidler

and actually, just making those links on the right anything but bog standard would really help FF look less like a beta product. It always feels to me like it's half finished - philhenley

Tommy, that's what preferences and options are for - Jesse Stay

Friendfeed missed the 'boom' that Iran and MJ brought to twitter and FB. The only rason I can think of it, it was easier for people to join convos about those topics in twitter and fb than 'find' them in friendfeed. FF is still growing so nothing to be worried about. it will grow in its own pace as it has been doing. - Freddie Benjamin

jesse - come to nyc - we will go to times square and ask how many people use sms or want to signup for ff to handle their sms and aggregate all their social services - you can even wear your social median shirt! - Allen Stern

Tommy, and frankly, the power of Twitter SMS aren't the status updates I receive - it's the ability to post SMS updates - Jesse Stay

My bad Robert, thought the numbers were priority. Jesse, unfortunately FriendFeed currently is perceived as a web app while twitter is kind of device agnostic - Alberto Saavedra

I think Twitter and FriendFeed should just join forces and create a super social site: Fritter! - Shawn Hickman

Allen, only if you come to South Dakota and Wyoming and Minnesota with me to ask the same questions - Jesse Stay

Comment Control.. Cleaner interface (I never liked the redesign) ... and Media coverage :) - Tim Hoeck

Alberto, and that is unfortunate - it's why, so long as we're comparing it to Twitter, it will never have the numbers Twitter has - Jesse Stay

Tommy, the problem is Twitter still gets that traffic - Jesse Stay

as I watch this thread I wonder.. why can't I "pop-out" a thread and watch it, like a chat room.. hard to follow a conversation.. - Tim Hoeck

tim - if you click on the time, you get a dedicated page - but i agree with you - a "control center" would be nice - Allen Stern

how about a mobile website before you make iphone app? is it so hard to make Like and Comment links that work in Opera Mobile or IE Mobile? - David Gross

It was SMS that enabled me to be the first report on the GreenPeace protest at Mount Rushmore - there was no internet there. It is those interesting Tweets that make Twitter interesting and appealing. It's the information, real-time content, and capability to post anywhere, any time that makes Twitter appealing. I can't necessarily do that everywhere with FriendFeed. It will never compete with Twitter in that regard. - Jesse Stay

Information is flowing away and not stocked. This is the main problem. Solution is in applications as you said. Friendfeed should create a great developer community to spread their APIs. They need an another funding for developer contests. Or just one acquiring may solve this motivation problem of developers, like Twitter's Summize sourcing. - Erhan Erdoğan

sms wont get new users. - Allen Stern

Allen, prove it - Jesse Stay

I like Allen's white label idea. - Michael Fidler

ahh.. thanks Allen.. guess that is one of those "usability" things :) - Tim Hoeck

I would not use ff in sms.. too many messages to go through, I would be way behind on my reading, it would be worse than my email.. - David Gross

thanks michael - i truly believe that it would open ff past the geekcore that it sits with now - sadly none of ff management has ever replied or commented on any of my ideas for them - Allen Stern

tim - i only learned that last week - i agree why there isnt a button is beyond me - Allen Stern

(Just got done reading the article and I can come right to the sidebar to comment on it. I love that.) I'm glad the growth is slow. Maybe the FriendFeed team isn't, but I love hanging out here and I don't think it would be the same if it was being hyped up as much as other services. - Mitch

And now - we can see the next challenge faced by FF. The majority of FF entries have a short life - the flip of the page - unless others see the thread and "like" or comment. If the entry is missed then there is no power to the entry (and no immediate gratification for the person). Next, there are multiple entries of the same topics. On Twitter, this is partially solved by retweets - but "top" FFeeders don't really re-share other people's entries - thus "killing off the young." - LPH™ and his dog P™

Keep in mind my comments are only in regards to FriendFeed being able to "compete" with Twitter. Otherwise Twitter is not competition. FriendFeed needs to figure out who they are and who they are competing with. I have no clue based on what you guys are saying. - Jesse Stay

There are other uses for FF we for example are using it as CRM with the secret mail it work perfectly ,as well I recommended some time ago to let other sites when they register their users to make an automatic parallel user here in FF ,for example a newspaper that has his social activity can make all his users FF users ,its a small API but an important one - Johni Fisher

Twitter is popular because, honestly, most people only want to hear themselves speak, and don't care that much about what everyone else thinks. However, there will always be those of us who like reading what other people think. - Curt

agree jesse - i dont think they know who they are yet either - i'd like to see them move AWAY from twitter comparisons as it's just not a battle worth fighting at this time. it's time for ff to get some marketing staff - Allen Stern

exactly curt - it's about people thinking they are a celeb. - Allen Stern

I do not know how many people actually have the time for all this anyway, I been watching this conversation for a bit but it is past bedtime.. good night everybody :o) - David Gross

take the experience out of the browser. i think a robust desktop app would gain FF a few more super dorky users, but wouldn't help them grow at the rate facebook and twitter are. - Jim Halligan @jim

Jesse: Friendfeed will compete with Google Wave or Google Search. Not Twitter or Facebook. - Erhan Erdoğan

Allen, agreed as well - so long as they want to be Twitter they need SMS. If they don't want to be Twitter they need to distinguish exactly what they are. No one knows right now. - Jesse Stay

Twitter has won their territory, FriendFeed needs to NOT be twitter, and find their "zone". - Tim Hoeck

Basically friendfeed has built an incredible communications platform that can be utilized in many different environments. The corporate market holds huge potential. White labeling friendfeed just makes sense. - Michael Fidler

And now another challenge to FF is shown in these comments. People start talking to each other - and when not noticed they either keep trying to "join" the conversation or just remove themselves from the conversation. Finally, someone who just discovers this is NOT going to be interested in reading everyone's comments - thus lowering a person's interest. - LPH™ and his dog P™

Erhan which one - those are two entirely different products right now. - Jesse Stay

Does FF have any recmmendation systems? With conversations like this I'd imagine that to be a killer opportunity - Tristan Walker from iPhone

If they want to be search, search needs to be front and center, like Google - Jesse Stay

i have to go to sleep im sorry but i still don't think sms will change that graph that thomas hawk posted. and not to harp on my idea but if they did start with the forum idea - think about how massive their real-time search index would be.... ponder that one - too many companies forget how much more is out there... it makes me very frustrated - ok be well everyone - Allen Stern

If they want to be like Google Wave, the private messaging has to be front and center, and they need to be more open - Jesse Stay

"real time" overload this thread is a prime example - Benjamin Taylor

It's just like a chat room - Benjamin Taylor

I just read Scobleizer's blog post. What's this about Facebook cloning FriendFeed? Did Facebook enhance "Like" to where I see non-friends' items on Facebook that my friends Like? Does Facebook have "Hide other items like this one" now? Last I saw, Facebook only had flimsy imitations of FriendFeed's functionality. - Bruce Lewis

except, the UI is not like a chat room... hard to follow. - Tim Hoeck

LPH, exactly right about the size. You can't have a conversation with a zillion people at once. Smaller groups are more effective, and that's why Facebook is popular, you control who you talk to... - Curt

Jesse: This data will be valuable than Google's crawled index. They must use this value. But I ve no idea which one they choose. - Erhan Erdoğan

Allen there are so many more people that can post content to FriendFeed (vs the other Social Networks in the graph) once they open up SMS. Much more content will go directly to FriendFeed, and not their "competition" (if that graph is really who they're trying to compete with - I don't think it is) - Jesse Stay

Content *can* already go from SMS to FF... through Twitter.. I don't see the point. - Tim Hoeck

LPH, Curt: isn't that exactly what Google Wave will do? Have the ability to branch off? - Jim Halligan @jim

Benjamin: It's really hard to find the "comment" link when talking like in mIRC. : ) What is the problem. A "comment" link in the last comment's right may be useful. - Erhan Erdoğan

just give us a good old fashion frame so we can scroll :) - Tim Hoeck

What brought people to Twitter were the "tornado" and "earthquake" and "fire" posts. It made Twitter interesting and brought even more people to Twitter. The iPhone wasn't out then - how do you think people were posting those emergency Tweets at that time (and even now)? The media caught that and before we knew it even Oprah was talking about it. SMS is the root of what has made Twitter successful, even if the majority of users don't use it all the time. The "interesting" Tweets all come from SMS. - Jesse Stay

Perhaps every Friendfeed fan should take it upon themselves to introduce one new person to it. #Mentor - David Damore

age sex location? - Erhan Erdoğan

nooooooo.... - Tim Hoeck

23 m istanbul :D HAHA good nights! ; ) - Erhan Erdoğan

Bruce I think that FaceBook has other bug as well ,when you send a request to B a friend with someone even with out his approval you are getting at your wall his posts or part of them for sure - Johni Fisher

this is what i mean by taking the experience out of the browser. at least for me, chrome cannot handle this thread right now. - Jim Halligan @jim

Not being supported by developers is a big downside for friendfeed, The problem is there is little room for a ff client to add value like they do for twitter. - Alistair (alpinefolk)

Facebook is confusing to me.. too much going on in their UI. Twitter is ridiculous to carry on a conversation. FF is for me. Just clean up the UI, and make things easier to manage. And word to the wise.. when I start getting "Which character from HBO's True Blood are you?" requests, I'm outta here! - Tim Hoeck

Twitter growth = bots, spammers. - Mo Kargas

What's really interesting is that these 3 products are entirely different products that I think should be competing on entirely different turfs. The blogosphere for some reason wants them all to compete. - Jesse Stay

Forums, IRC, and Newsgroups all co-existed (and still do).. what's the difference? They all have their niche. - Tim Hoeck

I am learning about Friendfeed now, but feel Twitter has elements of Google, linkedin and real time convos, that Friendfeed does not make as easy or intuitive. But friendfeed offers full convo tracking. To me, it seems like merger mania on the horizon. Question: Who buys who? - Alan W Silberberg

FriendFeed vs. Google Wave? - Jim Halligan @jim

like Robert said in his blog, friendfeed is newer than either fb or twitter and is in similar place as when they were same age.. to me it seems like friendfeed can be like twitter when nobody comments or the page is full of tweets or it can look more like facebook when people post pictures and stories and leave comments.. It is like a mesh of facebook without the nasty apps and twitter... more... - David Gross

Frankly, I'd love to see one company own all three - I think it would make a really valuable product, and I think all 3 would still co-exist - Jesse Stay

Any "popular" alternative to Friedfeed? - People just don't get it. ( I use it ) - FranK

Ff does need a better mobile app. However there is no reason for it to compete with Twitter, they have different uses - Kim Landwehr from iPhone

Jesse, I think that sounds good, all 3 together in harmony.. and I have introduced my twitter and facebook friends to http://ff.im/1hqgl :o) #hive - David Gross

Not 100% off topic since it was mentioned can someone tell me why 8-10% of ALL posts on Techmeme are from TechCrunch? - Benjamin Taylor

Benjamin, others have their theories, but my view: TechCrunch also breaks 8-10% (or more) of all tech news stories. They're simply the first to the stories. - Jesse Stay

Benjamin: TechCrunch covers more tech industry news and gets linked to by more influential bloggers than any other site. Before TechCrunch deleted its account here, it was my #1 most "liked" FriendFeed account, too. - Robert Scoble

FranK: Facebook is the popular alternative to FriendFeed. - Robert Scoble

Robert, I think it's a different tool than FriendFeed. It's more for managing relationships. FriendFeed is more about information and aggregation. - Jesse Stay

Robert, I like it too, it's impressive based on the list of tech blogs/sites http://www.techmeme.com/lb - Benjamin Taylor

Yes Jesse, the 3 are entirely different and FF's perceived focus is realtime conversations but the service is not ready to scale (the value) yet, this conversation is an example... everyone should have the ability to create different threads in their own view and aggregate them (personalize) as preferred. But web development is not there yet, what FriendFeed needs is more developers excited. - Alberto Saavedra

Does anyone have an opinion on how FriendFeed might deal with Google Wave as a competitor? I see these two services being very similar, closer than Twitter & FF. Robert, I see how you use FF bring people from Twitter over here to discuss topics. Do you see yourself using Wave in a similar fashion, and what do you think the adoption rate will be like? - Jim Halligan @jim

Jim, I have not even had a chance to see what google wave is all about, just waiting for them to spring it on me.. - David Gross from email

Jim: I'm with David. Don't know enough yet about Wave. When they get it to me we'll check it out quickly. - Robert Scoble

wave might be a good thing, I DO use gmail.. maybe google will buy friendfeed? lol - David Gross from email

Robert, if you ever want to try it I have a test account I can let you play with any time. - Jesse Stay

Wave is more a competition with Gmail than it is FriendFeed, unless there's something they have yet to release or announce that utilizes the Wave protocol - Jesse Stay

Wave is a technology. If it's good, FriendFeed will use it, possibly better than anyone else does. - Bruce Lewis

Thanks. I believe that if they do end up competing, as much as I love FriendFeed- I think they might be in trouble because Google will be able to back the real-time search technology and they may also have a way to monetize the Waves from day one. - Jim Halligan @jim

Bruce: Very good point. - Jim Halligan @jim

Jim, I think Google would be better off just buying FriendFeed and integrating the Google technology with what FriendFeed already has. I think Paul and crew have carefully poised themselves this way. - Jesse Stay

Jesse, do you think the former googlers want to be acquired by Google? Paul B has talked about wanting to structure a company in a new, more sustainable way. Would he be happy back in Google's structure again? - Bruce Lewis

Bruce, I don't know Paul, but I'm willing to bet if the offer was right he wouldn't turn Google down. - Jesse Stay

Another option would be to sell to Microsoft or Yahoo, of course. - Jesse Stay

Jesse: Paul wouldn't sell. Doesn't need to. And if he did the offer would be so wacky and based on the numbers FriendFeed isn't going to get a wacky bid this year. - Robert Scoble

FB should pay FF to be an incubator, like Fedora and Redhat Enterprise. - Peter Warnock

I'm sticking to my guns on this one. I think they'll sell this year or next. - Jesse Stay

Anyways, back to vacation. :-) - Jesse Stay

Jesse, only 5 days to the Boston FriendFeed meetup! http://friendfeed.com/massach... - Bruce Lewis

I did see a feature in Google wave which might help here. They have a real-time grammar/spelling correction system, which was included from the start. It was included to to make the platform as comfortable to use as possible hopefully to appeal to a larger audience. Some people type slow or make grammatical mistakes; I'm the king of them. Personally, I would love anything that would help in this area. - Michael Fidler

Bruce, I'm looking forward to it! - Jesse Stay

I don't use FriendFeed as much as I probably should. And where is its RSS feed? - Technogran

Sandra - Check the bottom of the page. - Mitch

Jessie, I could completely see Google buying friendfeed. It seems to me that's been a possible exit stategy from the start. - Michael Fidler

Sounds like a wild prediction Michael, or are there some clues/hints that I'm oblivious to? - Mitch

Mitch, it's total conjecture on my part. It's just a theory, nothing more. I can see it as an exit strategy, but whether it was preconceived is nothing more than speculation. There isn't any bad blood between them that you know of, is there? - Michael Fidler

Curt's comment above: "Twitter is popular because, honestly, most people only want to hear themselves speak..." Good point. Of course there's a degree of that everywhere including FF, but the inherent length limit on a twitter is enough insulation for most users that, when faced with a call to debate, are comfortable with 1) Shooting out a curt, cryptic one-liner or 2) Not responding at all. The rich communication environment on FriendFeed makes not backing up what you bring to the party glaringly obvious. - Micah

Allen, your whitebox idea deserves more consideration, discussion and air time than it's currently getting. I would love to see forum software replaced or morphed by the power of the FF technology. I think one hesitation (at least for now) may be the worry of siphoning off too many staff resources to deal with the hosting/dev infrastructure + licensing deal issues that go with the territory. Regardless, we need more analysis on this, people! - Micah

TweetMeme up 78% - Nick Halstead

Good post with a lot of interesting observations. The one point I would push back on is the API: friendfeed has by far the best designed API - way better than facebook and twitter. The reason there are less applications on friendfeed is not because of the API but I think because they have not reached their critical mass yet. I personally think that this whole social networking/messaging... more... - Edwin Khodabakchian

Agree,Friendfeed is kind of noisy,many people like me doesn't use that as often as we used to. - Steve Chou

I think a good name could make a difference. Friendfeed, friendfood, friendfodder !!!??? - ThinkEzy

FF is doing just fine... It's a very, very powerful product as it is now. Yea it has many imperfections... So feedback is great, but also give it some time, and it will become better and better (it has been that way thus far), and will rock the world. Also, remember that slower growth may be a blessing for a product, too. - Onur Kabadayi

FriendFeed seems to be an important web application and, in hindsight, may turn out to be the ground breaker in a new class of applications. However, it is horrendously difficult to understand. Even as a reasonably technical user, the presentation of configuration information about what is input, what is output, what is connected to what, etc. is appalling. "My kingdom for a diagram!" - John W Lewis

As a developer that creates a lot of mashups etc, I disagree about the api, the problem with the api is not the api it's a case of what to do with it. The data that comes out of FF is much more complex than fb and twitter. I am working on something which should solve some of your issues and show it off. Lack of hype is also why there are not many apps. - Darren Stuart

Great article, Robert Scoble. Love your ruthless intellectual honesty in identifying some problems with a service you have heavily evangelized. It would be easy to address these issues, but I am beginning to think that FF management has a much different take on the noise problem than many of us (including Tim O'Reilly). - Sean McBride

I agree with Onur Kabadayi.. Robert says it in his post as well. Twitter's growth in the first two years was similar. Plus, given the fact that it is a more complicated tool, it will take some more time for management to get some "First Things to Do Now that you are on FriendFeed" kind of documentation, and for the users to really grasp all that can be done w/ Friendfeed and why it is better (the differentiation). Sean McBride, could you expand on "a much different take" when it comes to noise.? - John Serra

John: FF has a "much different take" on noise: some of us have been complaining quite loudly about the noise issue for over a year now, with no feedback from FF or moves from FF to address the problem. Perhaps this is a matter of individual aesthetics; perhaps Paul, Bret and the FF crew enjoy a large sprawling rambling chaotic canvas and don't see the world through the same eyes as Tim O'Reilly, Mitch Kapor, Tim Bray, etc. Twitter is growing much faster than Friendfeed because of its minimalism and brevity. - Sean McBride

Twitter is being blocked by China Government, evildoing! - Motor Industry

Exactly why I asked Sean.. I like the fact that there is noise, and I like the fact that I get to filter out what I don't want to see.. Yes, we could argue that the ability to filter should be better, or more explicit, but I believe we are still at an early stage of development for this tool.. So, yes, I believe it is only for early adapting power users (sorry for the generalization) at... more... - John Serra

FF does so much more for my work and my engagement with my professional community than twitter or FB have ever been able to. :) Thanks for the interesting post! - Allyson Lister

Friendfeed is a major player in real time search and it never sucks like Twitter( Its always down) - Michael_techie

I still feel like I am not being understood by many on the noise issue. I just clicked on my Peoplebrowsr tab and was able to scan *twenty* new mostly high-value Twitter posts from high-quality news feeds, many of which do not post directly to Friendfeed. I clicked back to my Friendfeed page, and am able to see only *two* primary posts. So: Twitter via Peoplepbrowsr usually offers a 10... more... - Sean McBride

I think FF is missing a huge opportunity to engage the Flickr community -- a large and established group of people and a community where FF could be a natural tool. 1. FF needs to allow you to import all of your Flickr contacts into FF matching up actual accounts where possible and creating an option for imaginary friends for the rest (to be replaced by actual accounts when others... more... - Thomas Hawk

Long-term, I think that FF can also expand in the direction of aggregating real-time sensor data like pachube (http://www.pachube.com/). As wireless smart-meters invade our homes, every one of us will have at least a few sensor data streams that can be fed to FF for commenting, analysis, mashing, etc. Making effective real-time search over that data torrent is the only thing that can... more... - Vlado Handziski

I'll second that. Brilliant idea Thomas! - Michael Fidler

Ironically, one of FriendFeed's problems is that its web experience is simply too good. Twitter's sucked (and still does), so it was the third-party developers who jumped in and as you said, are driving Twitter's growth. - Aviv

I'm not going to lie, I don't want more people to join friend feed, they are ready ruined twitter. Well, maybe not ruined, but the value is a bit polluted by the bots and many self interested people - Robert D. Fraser

Aviv, got to disagree with you about FriendFeed's web experience. A discussion like this one, with above a hundred comments, just turns "discussion" into the worst kind of flat-forum experience. It becomes impossible to find who's responding to who, because it isn't threaded (and you can't collapse responses). It's like an unthreaded Slashdot - simply unreadable. - Ian Betteridge

Ian: funny, I read every unreadable comment here. - Robert Scoble

Me too! This kind of thread is totally readable. - Jim Connolly

Ian, I agree with you on that, but other than that issue (seen most frequently at Scoble's threads, of course) you have to agree that the early adopter crowd really adores the slick UI that the FF team got us used to. Among those early adopters are also potential third-party developers who have absolutely no incentive to compete with FF on delivering better UI experience, especially... more... - Aviv

And since you mentioned flat-forum experience - that's another problem FF faces; It evolved into a forum-like experience. A real-time one, but still a forum experience. And we all know mainstream doesn't care much about message boards unless they're troubleshooting some Windows printer driver. I'm guessing that for most "normal" users, keeping up with what goes on on FF is fun for the... more... - Aviv

The deer in the headlights reaction by some as to not getting likes and comments (or to the desired degree) doesn't seem much different than case of dreamers who think moving to Hollywood or Nashville automatically means you'll get noticed. It's an opportunity. - Micah

Micah, that's not the same at all. I think that for some people, myself included, FF is just not as useful as it once was. 6 months ago I'd get some reactions to threads like http://friendfeed.com/aviv... and http://friendfeed.com/aviv.... Granted I don't have the network that... more... - Aviv

Matthew, I'm not talking about my own management of the FF stream. That I do well. What I find troubling is that so many don't, and as a result entries go unnoticed quite often. IMHO this will be most difficult for new users to comprehend and will be the biggest contributor to them not coming back. - Aviv

Aviv, thanks for clarifying. If your network puts you in a List, problem solved - but you already knew that. So the point you made was a lot of other people aren't leveraging lists and searches. So I'm thinking out loud with you here: what's the remedy? Maybe an algorithm that automatically puts what appears to be your core network into a List, and then flags you that there's unread activity going on in that List. I'm speaking in broad terms, but what do you think? - Micah

lol Matthew. Self fulfilling prophecy, right, that's probably it. Or not: I took a look at your feed and it reminds me a lot of Digg. So I'm not at all surprised that you're seeing increased engagement. But in any case, I don't see the increased engagement you're talking about. Your content gets at best 4 Likes. I guess you don't know what I'm talking about really. - Aviv

LOL - Aviv

I'm sure you won't be around much either, as soon as FlickChart implements forums. - Aviv

So excited, my first ever flame war on FF. I guess it just became useful again. Where have you been in the past 2 years Matthew? - Aviv

Move on man. Your feed really does look like Digg, so admit it and let's move on. :) - Aviv

Matthew, come on, are you serious? Can you not tell when someone is being sarcastic? - Aviv

You two knock it off. - Robert Scoble

Matthew, I was just pointing out that your feed probably sees more engagement because Digg-like threads on FF bubble to the top more often than "serious" threads (actually I should say entries, because they rarely get the chance to become threads;) Scoble even says so in his post. I'm sorry if you feel that I attacked you personally, as that was far from my intention. - Aviv

The UI is my biggest gripe. Face it FF is geared towards techie users I don't know if that was the plan. I don't see how FF could bring in regular users unless they have something like Facebook apps. - sarvesh

I don't buy the API argument, it is the best of all the social networks. I developed the FriendDeck client using it, it is very very very clean for an API. As for clients, there is my FriendDeck app, it was way ahead of Tweetdeck for some features (web and desktop client with shared settings) - Paul Kinlan

Seriously, I will lead the development of a Friendfeed client if anyone wants, take my FriendDeck brand and grow it make it better. - Paul Kinlan

Jumping in a little late, but I have to say that I would be a much more active user on FF if the mobile site was functional on my BB. FF2GO just doesn't cut it since I can't change my settings or anything. I'm just not sitting at my desk or in front of a laptop all that often, but I always have my BB on me. - Matt Thompson

Paul, the thing is, there's no need for such a client. Web experience is too good to encourage others to develop alternatives. - Aviv

Mobile app for FriendFeed: http://dev.ctor.org/f2p/ by http://friendfeed.com/nahi - Micah

Aviv: I don't buy that in the slightest, there is a lot of need, multiple columns, sub feed/list filtering, user discovery, verticals (video only feeds, picture columns etc - like amplifeeder http://paul.kinlan.me as an example), there are lots of things that a good client will do to enhance Friendfeed. - Paul Kinlan

Perhaps, but Twitter was ugly and near useless from day one, so the incentive (and need) for third-party developers was more obvious. It's also hard for a single third-party developer to enhance a service that updates its UI and functionality every other day. While the FF team is definitely doing a great job at that, it's much easier to develop on top of Twitter when you know it takes them 2 months just to charge the color of a link. - Aviv

interesting. I've avoided subscribing to you but maybe that's what I need to fully appreciate FriendFeed (my interest had been waning) :) - Paul Whitaker

@paul Nah, don't subscribe to Scoble (sorry Robert), I did for a while but it leads to information overload. Instead subscribe to a few people who do subscribe to him and you see the best bits as they 'like' and 'comment' on them. That said, this is redundant advice as you saw this post that way anyway I presume... and for me, thats the power of FF. - James Macgill

Aviv: I defiantly agree that friendfeed has an awesome service and it works on many levels better than twitter does and they are very responsive and proactive to change. The biggest thing about a desktop client is a desktop client, you would be suprised how many people's workflow require a desktop app started from the start menu (I don't personally understand it but the demand is massive) - Paul Kinlan

James: I don't mind seeing roberts posts at all, however the best bit of friendfeed for me are lists (i.e, lists of people I really follow etc), my discussions and the Best Of Day. - Paul Kinlan

Amazing to see Facebook items with 100,000 likes and 10,000 comments. Would the FF interface be at all workable with so much activity? It's already hard to find anything beyond the top layer of most popular stuff unless you spend a huge amount of time managing hand-made lists. Not scalable. I might be able to sort 1,000 people into lists by hand, but 100,000. Whoa. I need some help from... more... - Mitchell Tsai

Ahh, nothing like the insiders vs. the masses. I like comparing things to cars... Volvos might be pretty solid cars, yet do people go "OMG I sooooo want a Volvo!"? Fellow geeks, please learn the tradegy of the commons. Just cuz it's good, doesn't mean people want it. - Eric Rice

FF targets the wrong users! For some reason, I just find it hard to believe FF does not target publishers large and small in some ways, newspapers going out of business, it has very advanced feature set, however it wrongly serves the wrong audiences in many ways and should exit to target media companies, bloggers, newspapers, publishers and other groups. It's not built for the gossipy myspace crowd, it is targeted towards the wrong group adaptation in my opinion. - Jonathan Fleming

Good. The fact that everybody isn't using FF is the only reason I still use it, unlike FB and Twitter. Morons haven't taken over yet. - Lo the Baker

A mobile app for the iPhone would get me spend more time on FriendFeed - Bob Gannon

There are myriad of ways that Friendfeed can contribute to bottom lines i.e. monetisation. Smarties could be using Friendfeed for serious tribe building which is sales funnel basics, a private group for Brand Monitoring/Listening will reveal opportunities for the savvy, heck one could even use a private group as a continuity product. I could go on but Im sure you get the idea. If people can't see monetary value and other forms of currency in Friendfeed then, it might be worth a deeper look - Deano @ Byron New Media

I guess new users get invited to facebook, come to twitter and but mature users move to friendfeed. - Rohit

Friendfeed is the clear winner, in terms of who (whom!?) I'm interested in engaging with. - Hamilton Wallace

FF has many solid features, but it's not yet at critical mass to make it all work. - Rod

I love FF's features but, and I think this is the biggest problem you've hit on, the interface really needs work, it has no real connection to what your average user plays with online. The themes are pretty useless right now, what really needs to be done is moving some of the elements around. I still think that moving elements to the right of the content was a mistake and the loss of the pop-up window that was real-time in the old interface has really cut down my FF use. - Aram Zucker-Scharff

Here's an important factor some have eluded to. The FF web interface. It's one of the only web interfaces I actually go to. This and feedly are at the top. I use air apps for twitter, yammer and interact through other sites via email (only go there when I get an email.) the web interface (commenting) may need work, but it is a web interface that works. - SolidSmack

I stuck to my guns. The acquirer was wrong in this case, but I was right that FriendFeed would be acquired by someone (see my response to Bruce Lewis above, and where Robert said I was wrong). - Jesse Stay

"Paul wouldn't sell. Doesn't need to. And if he did the offer would be so wacky and based on the numbers FriendFeed isn't going to get a wacky bid this year. - Robert Scoble <--- I wish he had been right. - Rochelle

@georgezachary mentions the emergence of namespace with twitter as the basis for horizontal integration - Alberto Saavedra

@kevinmarks announced he is moving to British Telecom, to focus on the flow of this real time activity streams - Alberto Saavedra

Salesforce CRM integration looks interesting, now is the time for Bantam, social CRM with realtime capabilities - Alberto Saavedra

@johnrourke is launching the beta version of http://bantamlive.com with focus on sales and marketing instead of customer support - Alberto Saavedra

Somrat Niyogi from SocialMedia is launching http://sparq.socialmedia.com (TwitterSparq) which wants to be AdWords for Twitter - Alberto Saavedra

@jstrellner from Twitturly is launching http://inview.twitturly.com to receive and monitor notifications - Alberto Saavedra

Jon Rooney from @silverlight demoed adaptive streaming which looks great! #seethelight - Alberto Saavedra

The first demo/launch is http://camtweet.com from @justinTV which lets you share live video on Twitter - Alberto Saavedra

Bhaskar from @qik announced private Beta of their push API and streaming between mobile devices - Alberto Saavedra

@khrislouk from @JSKit announced the death of comments and it is replacing with http://js-kit.com/echo/ in order to get blogging back in the radar for early adopters. - Alberto Saavedra

@12seconds demoed their iPhone app: Video Messenger which is not yet in the App Store - Alberto Saavedra

@adamheartz is demoing http://tunein.com (previously known as itemize) which tries to become the Tivo for Twitter - Alberto Saavedra

@andrewbaron is demoing http://mag.ma a video stream aggregator with the intent to become a dashboard - Alberto Saavedra

The panel is trying to define real time search and differentiate the concept of social sharing search - Alberto Saavedra

Interesting question from Don Dodge about the key focus needed for search: ranking, relevance and spam detection which lead to answers that include the mention of PulseRank and augmented reality - Alberto Saavedra

@loic demoed Seesmic Web http://seesmic.com/app/ released Desktop 0.4 and announced the iPhone app is coming soon - Alberto Saavedra

@shellen from @thinglabs is introducing Brizzly, a stream reader inspired in Google Reader which shows interesting UI experience with Twitter DM framework - Alberto Saavedra

@ethpresso from @lazyfeed is showing a topic-based reader (sort of real time alerts or interest-based track) - Alberto Saavedra

@ggdm showed http://search.peoplebrowsr.com (live trends search) and the industry dashboard concept for brands - Alberto Saavedra

@wowd showed their first public demo, mentioned focus in ranking and recommendation for search - Alberto Saavedra

The first demo is P2 (microblogging theme from Automattic) available at http://im.wordpress.com - Alberto Saavedra

The next demos are from @bradfitz showing pubsubhubbub which tries to speed up Atom - Alberto Saavedra

@freddymini showed the evolution of real time dashboards, interesting but the dashboard should be built on top of a real time browser - Alberto Saavedra

Sandy Jen demoed http://meebo.com/communityim and mentioned that live updates will be available in the summer - Alberto Saavedra

@frankgruber demoed the @AIMRunningMan which is AOL's attempt to get into the lifestream arena - Alberto Saavedra

http://wave.adobe.com is expected in Labs next week, which is a notification service for publishers and users - Alberto Saavedra

Interesting point from Bret, multimedia content generates the most comments because people don't like to read, there is a huge opportunity on #nowmedia conversations - Alberto Saavedra

Finding the right balance between realtime/aggregate content and public/private sharing is the holy grail in #thestream - Alberto Saavedra

Good question from Erick about platform, leads to the interoperability and federation argument between public IM systems - Alberto Saavedra

Prediction from @peoplebrowsr if FB does not open the public stream, little Twitter will be taking over in next year's RealTime Crunchup - Alberto Saavedra

In the panel, they are comparing the opportunity as where search was in 1998 #crunchup and innovation happens on Silicon Valley, which means the focus on monetization comes later - Alberto Saavedra

Opportunities in #nowmedia: lead generation, coupons, analytics, enterprise CRM, payments, commerce, user authentication, ads syndication, context and display advertising and followers acquisition - Alberto Saavedra

TweetDeck got a new round of financing, the Real Time browser was with Tweetie and Seesmic is just starting - Alberto Saavedra

Where is the industry going? keep on innovating on bringing social relationships as the key valuable data in the #stream - Alberto Saavedra

2 good answers: Amazon blocking affiliate monetization is weird and the Twitter brand is difficult to displace now - Alberto Saavedra

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