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FriendFeed API v2: Real-time, OAuth, file attachments, and more - http://blog.friendfeed.com/2009...
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"Today we are launching version 2 of the FriendFeed API for beta testing. We focused on making the API simpler to use, and we added number of compelling new features." Documentation: http://friendfeed.com/api...
- Bret Taylor
from Bookmarklet
OAuth? Sweet. Thanks a lot for all the new good stuff in the API: can't wait to use it.
- Mark Trapp
very nice. great work!
- Alfredo 亜瑠布れっど
Yet another reason to like Bret. :-)
- Jesse Stay
Great!!!
- YungSang
from FriendFoo
nice!
- Daniel Rust
good job guys, I bet devs are jumping high right now
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
Sweet, congrats!
- Ivan Zuzak
nice, good to see OAuth support, this will enable a larger 3rd party ecosphere around FriendFeed, I hope
- Jeroen De Miranda
After going through the documentation and playing around with some feeds, I love the fact that you can now see the subscriber lists of people who have their feeds set to private as long as you are subscribed to them and authenticate (mimicking the main site functionality). One thing that's absent is a discussion of Direct Messages. Do they show up in feeds if you authenticate? How do we find just direct messages?
- Mark Trapp
Mark: direct messages are accessed using the feed ID "filter/direct". Read more about feed IDs at http://friendfeed.com/api.... Also direct messages appear in the "home" feed.
- Benjamin Golub
Benjamin: ahhh, I see it now. I missed it when skimming that list over. Thanks!
- Mark Trapp
Can you post the wget version of the command line?
- Gabe
Gabe: wget --user=bgolub --password=passwd --post-file=MyPhoto.jpg http://friendfeed-api.com/v2... should work. In theory. Edit: nope. I'm not sure it's possible to do with wget.
- Mark Trapp
Thanks God it is New API.
- Ahmet Alp Balkan
from iPod
Nice progress here with this release!
- Micah
I love it!
- friday night
Why is wget questionable?
- Gabe
Gabe: wget doesn't support multipart forms as a design decision. If you post a file, FriendFeed returns a 404, and if you post data, the query is too long for wget to handle.
- Mark Trapp
cool : )
- Gurkan Oluc
Good work, look forward to seeing what developers can create
- Joe Dawson
doublepluslike
- Vezquex
curl FTW.
- Jeremy Kunz
This is great, FriendFeed team. Good job.
- Thierry R. Andriamirado
Woowoo, bgolub's password is “passwd” ;-)
- Amit Patel
Amit: I wonder how many people tested that :)
- Benjamin Golub
Thanks to bgolub posting his password, I now have all of FriendFeed's secret documents about notorious users, useless metrics, Justin Timberlake's promoting FF on Oprah's show, hiring Colbert as a spokesperson, Ev Williams being just a “distraction”. TechCrunch is going to love this! ;)
- Amit Patel
Yes big big thanks to the whole team for all their hard work!!
- ɐ ɯıʞ sıɹɥɔ
from iPhone
thank you;) waiting for the release :) loving clone
- abdellah
from FriendFeed API Example
Yay subscribers exposed!
- EricaJoy
Finally OAuth, I had a hard time memorizing my remote key.
- Hugh Isaacs II
This is indeed very cool, anybody started on a c# version?
- Jesper Lind
I received 2 offers to be a co-founder in a startup in the last week. I'm flattered.
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Can you be a co-founder if it is offered to you? One assumes you would found the company and come up with the idea?
- Louis Gray
That is partly why I turned it down. However, if the product is not built yet, or I am being offered equivalent equity or more than those offering it to me, I think that qualifies as co-founder.
- Jesse Stay
Would you like a third? Semi-serious.
- Jimminy, CoG of FF
Jimminy, I am just too swamped right now - I'm happy to consider advisory board positions though if it makes sense and I can believe in what you do.
- Jesse Stay
Johnny, exactly. Ideas are a dime a dozen (even the good ones). What makes the company is who is able to execute that idea
- Jesse Stay
Jesse, feel free to throw the extras my way!
- Chris Myles
Chris, e-mail me at jesse@staynalive.com and I'll introduce you.
- Jesse Stay
Smarty pants! Congrats. ; )
- Fossil Huntress
I got offered a chance to do a start-up. Went and got some spark plugs and it totally helped.
- Josh Haley
from iPhone
Josh, I wish it was that type of startup - my minivan could use one of those
- Jesse Stay
Sometimes it's all about the timingbelt too.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
from Android
Jesse, yesterday I helped completely remove the fuel tank from my minivan, find a fuel pump at a junk yard, pop it in and put it all back together. And I know nothing of cars. it's good to have friends who do. Elders quorum's gotta have somebody that can help you, no?
- Josh Haley
from iPhone
Johnny's right. As much as it rubs the wrong way people who are pure inventors, cofounding an enterprise to deliver THE AWESOME may have nothing to do with innovation and more to do with paying bills and answering all the boring email. Also: Ha! manielse wins.
- Micah
Good ideas are maybe rare in the everyday world (where a lot of ideas are pretty bad). However, venture capitalists and entrepreneurs live in a world where 95-99% of all businesses (and I really don't have a good solid number) fail within the first 3-5 years (and usually due to cash flow) - Thus, the "ideas are a dime a dozen" mantra. Even with Venture Capitalist pickiness, 85% of their...
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- Mitchell Tsai
Serious question -- why doesn't Google use the FriendFeed API for Buzz? Hopefully it's an open standard, if not, what would it take to make it one. Can't imagine the FF guys would object. It's a VERY nice API. Imho.
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Because of Facebook?
- RobertoC
I'm a big believer in using stuff that already works because it preserves developers' and users' investments. In this case, the lack of an accepted API means there are no clients that sort out the app in terms familiar to users. That hinders adoption.
- Dave Winer
Agree completely Dave. It would be very very nice.
- Roberto Bonini
FB Lawsuits?
- sofarsoShawn BAZINGA!
Roberto -- that's what would make it an open standard. Competitors are *supposed* to use the same formats and protocols if they care about users. Further, the second into the market, ie Google in this case, has everything to gain by being compatible with an existing product, and nothing to lose (other than the ability to say they invented the whole thing, which they clearly didn't).
- Dave Winer
Why didn't Google <a href="http://rarepattern.com/nodes...">make Buzz into protocol so we could finally move into a P2P twitter-like paradigm</a>?
- Laura Scott (@lauras)
Facebook.
- AJ Batac :)
The NY Times and the WSJ and Washington Post all use HTML.
- Dave Winer
I doubt Facebook would let them do that.
- Kent
I doubt Facebook has any say in it.
- Dave Winer
The FF API doesn't exactly fit PSHB though you could probably adapt it. I'm pretty sure Google started from the proposition Buzz would use PSHB.
- Ed Millard
I agrre with you Dave, it would be great and everyone, also little startup gain from it. BUT have the company so big a so opened mentality? I doubt of it.
- RobertoC
From FF API TOS: 4. Intellectual Property (Trademarks & Copyrights) FriendFeed, the FriendFeed logo and the FriendFeed design are trademarks or trade dress of FriendFeed, and may not be used without express written permission from FriendFeed, other than for attribution. ... FriendFeed-originated content included on the Site, such as text, graphics, logos, software and the compilation of...
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- Ed Millard
Google explains itself sort of in this Newsweek post "Why Google Will Keep Playing Fast and Loose With Your Privacy - they seem to fear a Russian prodigy who will win out" http://ff.im/g9eMg They thought they'd hit a gold mine with Buzz's format rather than using FF's (I'm hazarding). They had an itchy trigger finger and pulled it too soon and aimed wayyy off target. Simple as explanation really, they just thought they had something better.
- sofarsoShawn BAZINGA!
We may not have the power to make them do it, but we certainly have the power to put the question out there.
- Dave Winer
From the FF TOS it appears FB can block Google from using it.
- Ed Millard
Ed -- are you saying the quoted TOS segment covers the API implicitly? -- I don't see anything explicit there.
- Brian Sullivan
If the API falls under "FriendFeed design" or "copyright" I think it is explicit. "design" is subject to interpretation, here it is maybe referring to web site design. The section about "FriendFeed-originated content" including "software" being copyright would almost certainly cover the API. Would probably have problems creating an API doc for it without violating copyright.
- Ed Millard
To safely use the API you would almost certainly need to find legally binding licensing saying FF/FB placed it in the public domain. They did, I think, open source Tornado which is the Python HTTP engine, but that isn't really the actual API. Tornado is the part that directly overlaps with PSHB anyway so doubt Google is interested in it.
- Ed Millard
DeWitt mentioned they didn't clone Twitter because of unclear licensing issues. When they are trying to release a product I'm sure they want to get the product out rather than block on licensing issues, which take pretty much forever to work out.
- Todd Hoff
If FF hadn't been bought by FB, I'm sure they could have some to some sort of arrqangement. But the fundamental benefit of using an existing API is that any apps can immediately move to the new platform.
- Roberto Bonini
And i think that "FriendFeed design" includes the API
- Roberto Bonini
Roberto, not so sure since "design" is followed by "trademark and trade dress" which would only apply to visual and marketing elements. The copyright stuff further down is what nails the API.
- Ed Millard
I wonder if Paul or Bret could chime in here. In either case, I'm betting that they'll have to defer to Zuckerberg.
- Roberto Bonini
Its regrettable Google didn't buy FF instead of FB. If they were working on Buzz back then its obviously an acquisition that would have been of greater value to Google than FB. The FF talent seems to be the only thing FB got out of it.
- Ed Millard
Oh definitely Ed. In fact, they could have put FF into Gmail without a whole lot of bother.
- Roberto Bonini
Isn't what they are already doing in Buzz better? since they are using standards like Atom, Activity Streams, PubSubHubbub, oAuth etc.
- Richard Cunningham
Richard, Buzz doesn't really have an API yet. Only has a really limited function to get public messages per user, a directory to get profiles and WebFinger support to get info off profiles. The actual API is apparently still a month or a few months from being available. Some have been hacking it to pry stuff out of it but its not really friendly to third party apps yet. I wish it had an API. I'd integrate it in to my feed reader cuz I can't stand Buzz prioritization and no comment collapse.
- Ed Millard
Using all those open standards is commendable but I'm not sure its an easy path from those to a coherent design and API. You can see Paul's influence in the FF API, its really simple and elegant. It is way ahead of where Buzz is at the moment for third party access though hopefully google will get a real API out soon.
- Ed Millard
Here is all Google has out for their API at the moment, http://code.google.com/apis...
- Ed Millard
Ed, yes I know, I'm working on implementing it in FriendBinder, the main bit missing for me is the friend's list working properly and next would be some sort of write support
- Richard Cunningham
My issue with PSHB is I don't want to have a web server sitting between Buzz and my client. PSHB seems to require a client to register and then you need a server URL for PSHB to call back. Seems to exclude clients from accessing Buzz unless they go through a server intermediary which is different than every other API I've used. With the FF API any client can connect to a server and get a stream, way simpler. Hopefully Google will add something like REST or Tornado in their official API.
- Ed Millard
Ed, how about appending the events from PSHB to your own queue and then using a REST API to access it? The server-to-server nature of PSHB is inconvenient.
- Todd Hoff
Todd, that requires me to field a PSHB hub of my own, or am I misunderstanding? Kind of a high bar for a client app to have to field a 24/7 server or you can't get to the Buzz stream. I'll just hope Google provides a real API for clients in coming months. The FF API/Tornado, and Twitter REST/Streaming API's are infinitely more client friendly, though Twitter obviously has the scaling problems PSHB is designed to address.
- Ed Millard
Not sure what you mean by 'using FriendFeed API'. Do you mean reproduce a similar API, or connect to it? Both are efforts that need some developper time, and Google was in a hurry to prove that they could deliver a decent service. In the first case, it seems hard to copy one interface and make it suit a different social construct, harder than make a interface adapted to that social...
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- Bertil Hatt
Ed, I expect they will give a feed with all your friends in one feed, when they turn on oAuth. Then it will be the equivalent to what Twitter offer.
- Richard Cunningham
Louis Gray had it decreed forbidden.
- sofarsoShawn BAZINGA!
from iPhone
Alright now, Shawn. Troublemaker. :)
- Louis Gray
Well sort of Ed. I was imagining Google App Engine as a queue endpoint for published events.
- Todd Hoff
Ah, that's interesting to consider, I'll look in to that. Don't actually want to do REST, it sucks for real-time. Would rather have an open connection like Tornado, which brings us back to where Dave started this conversation about how nice it would be to have the FF API on Buzz :)
- Ed Millard
Though the down side to FF/Tornado is you have to keep doing new HTTP requests since it closes the connection after it delivers data, and its not entirely clear how real-time the data actually is. Something like the new Twitter streaming API would be ideal where you just have an open connection and your stream arrives as close to real-time as is feasible.
- Ed Millard
The Buzz/Gmail integration is nice. They should open those integration points to other apps, such as FriendFeed.
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e.g. the ability to have live updating messages in the inbox.
- Paul Buchheit
is buzz a service?
- MikeAmundsen
I think that could very well be coming, but in a slightly different form. That is, Gmail proper is a client for email, but Buzz is a client for social activity. Instead of having another tab for FriendFeed, Buzz would simply and seamlessly sync everything, including comments and attribution, with FriendFeed (and Facebook) via WebFinger/Salmon/ActivityStreams/etc.
- Mark Trapp
No, I mean other apps, not necessarily just FriendFeed variants.
- Paul Buchheit
If the ux is appending elements, then salmon would seem to be the way to do it, though then it needs a permalink to hang off.
- Kevin Marks
That could be a nice baby step toward Wave (or Wave-like functionality) within Gmail. Update threads from XMPP, SMS, APIs,...
- Tinfoil 2.0
Now you're talking! (I almost typed that in all caps.)
- Stephen Mack
Paul, ah, like maybe Farmville? :-P Edit: not Farmville. But totally multiple games of Scrabble. Or even document collaboration.
- Mark Trapp
I'd like comments sync'ed between the two but that's a pipedream.
- Kol Tregaskes
Paul, are you saying you wan the equivalent of http://friendfeed.com/api... ?
- Kevin Marks
I think they should just add header tags and use SMTP standard to do it. If specific header tags are in place, then Gmail adapts.
- Jesse Stay
I agree though - I could use this in SocialToo's DM e-mails.
- Jesse Stay
No, Kevin I'm talking about the interface integration. I would like to have made FriendFeed do the things that Buzz is doing in Gmail, but of course that kind of integration isn't possible to outside developers.
- Paul Buchheit
It could then use salmon to sync comments from whatever service decides to adapt it
- Jesse Stay
Salmon has nothing to do with what I'm asking for.
- Paul Buchheit
Salmon drenched in butter and onions. Yum.
- τorƍue
I'd like to change friendfeed so that the comments aren't too grey to read on my Mac, so it supports microformats, and the faces are bigger, but I can't do that either (well, not without munging with your sample apps: http://friendlierfeed.appspot.com )
- Kevin Marks
I don't see how Salmon couldn't be used for this. Salmon ideally could be used to push comments into the e-mail, couldn't it? Or am I misunderstanding what Salmon does?
- Jesse Stay
Jesse, what if I want to change the message content entirely, not just be stuck within the limits of a comment-oriented ui?
- Paul Buchheit
Paul, good point - that does limit to just a comment-oriented structure. Maybe they could use the Facebook API code at http://developers.facebook.com/opensou... to implement Canvas pages for e-mail. ;-) An FBML tag could tell it where to put the message body.
- Jesse Stay
I'd love that functionality in Facebook, too, btw. I'd just take the ability to delete a message via API in Facebook though at a minimum.
- Jesse Stay
The basic idea is that the inbox structure is useful, and as Buzz has demonstrated, it's useful for more than just email, so why not open up the inbox to third-party apps. BTW, we actually prototyped something like this for FriendFeed (open the feed to other apps), but never completed it enough to ship. I think it still has a lot of potential though.
- Paul Buchheit
Paul, sounds like an opportunity for competition :-)
- Jesse Stay
You didn't have to bugger off to Facebook you could still be developing Friendfeed right now and competing with Buzz. Google clearly thinks you guys were on to something here and there is money left on the table.
- Mark
They must think there is lots of money to be made in a Friendfeed clone to put it dead center in the middle of their top service.
- Mark
I think Facebook saw that, too :-)
- Jesse Stay
Mark, buzz has a bit of a structural advantage over FriendFeed in that it can integrate with Gmail :)
- Paul Buchheit
Yeah hehe. The truth is though, right now, Buzz is not as good / polished as Friendfeed. But I imagine they have lots and lots of people (probably more than was on the Friendfeed team) working on things.
- Mark
I'll defer to Paul as the expert on this one :-)
- Jesse Stay
Let's call a spade a spade. You can't say this but I can. Google stole your idea! lol.
- Mark
Google steals all of Paul's ideas ;-)
- Jesse Stay
Didn't they pay for some of them Jesse? :-)
- Ken Sheppardson
Kevin Marks said on Gillmor Gang today that he was testing Buzz before he left google and that was age ago so they were developing Buzz when Friendfeed was growing and peaking. Suprised they didn't just try and buy Friendfeed.
- Mark
And nobody is saying that FriendFeed could integrate in the same way on Facebook's messaging 2.0?
- Louis Gray
Whilst we were all coming to Friendfeed, they were salivating over the service.
- Mark
Everyone has their Facebooks set to Private though, or the most popular guys have the full 5000 limit so it wouldn't be as effective if they turned on Friendfeed for Facebook :(
- Mark
I read recently somewhere on one of the big blogs that the fact so many people have Private accounts is hurting Facebooks in search revenue potential.
- Mark
Obviously you can't do cool search things if 3/4 of the things people look for are coming from Private accounts and are blocked out of the search systemm
- Mark
Hmm, maybe Buzz is a glimpse of a future Facebook-like app platform in gmail? Google Friend Connect fits in there somewhere.
- Daniel Sims
Mark, everyone has their Gmails set to private as well
- Jesse Stay
Daniel, I think Google is recreating a social network from the ground up. I think they could have just done it starting with Orkut if they did it right. I'm usually wrong though.
- Jesse Stay
What happens if you edit via IMAP an email that is being read in gmail?
- Nick Lothian
from iPod
Sorta defeats the purpose of a "walled garden" if you open up the app to the competition #justsayin
- WarLord
Nice
- TrafficBug
Hey Paul, you guys should look into the Kynetx platform. With one platform you can create extensions across multiple browsers that re-organize the viewing experience. So, even without Google allowing you to alter it, you can allow users to alter it with just a simple install of a Facebook extension for their browser. You guys modify the experience, users get comments in their Gmail for FriendFeed/Facebook, and everyone's happy. No need to wait for Google for that.
- Jesse Stay
If you guys don't create it I will so let me know :-)
- Jesse Stay
Of course they do :)
- Xavier Vespa
Yahoo! Mail supports adding OpenSocial apps. Would be nice to have the same in GMail. http://overview.mail.yahoo.com/apps
- David Recordon
David, I'd love to see you guys do a Kynetx app. It could be your first entry into the Information/Action card space. :-)
- Jesse Stay
BTW, I *love* some of the API stuff Yahoo is doing. Their APIs right now are really useful (and work with Facebook Connect)!
- Jesse Stay
This is definitely a good idea. In the near term you could get most of the same benefit by making a friendfeed igoogle gadget. I don't know how many people check their email through igoogle rather than gmail, but I'd be willing to be that it's significant.
- Ryan Moulton
They should probably build integration into their own properties first. Where's Buzz in Google maps? Where's the Buzz iGoogle gadget?
- Julian Bond
@David Recordon -- see http://blog.opensocial.org/2009.... Doesn't come close to covering every use case discussed here, but does, I think, do exactly what you're asking about.
- David Glazer
even the ff team don't care about their services, how do you want it from google? may be google knows the truth that ff team wont develope ff anymore. when will facebook shut down the ff service?
- Ibrahim Ozturkcan
from iPhone
If you like, Y Combinator - Startup Library you can download all the articles in a single pdf file. Good for sharing, printing and offline reading. (12 MB)
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thanks ... good collection.
- Ashu Joshi
Great stuff, Chirag. Many thanks!
- Mahendra (SkepticGeek)
Fwd: Gillmor Gang: The Kindle Effect - http://www.techcrunchit.com/2009... (via http://friendfeed.com/stevegi...)
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Your contrast between the live stream and the calming, friendly beckon of the Kindle to leisure is so true...and will be the balance everyone struggles to maintain.
- Karoli
The Google Monologues - http://www.techcrunchit.com/2009...
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Kim Cameron, Chief Architect of Identity, Microsoft now speaking at #kynetx Impact 2009
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What did he say? Did he address the issue of the MSFT selector and action cards?
- Cliff Gerrish
He talked about the state the information card industry and MSFT place in it. Not sure I can do justice to it. Hopefully Kynetx will post the video in the next few days.
- Tyler Whitaker
from email
Imagine that you are about to be reincarnated (as a baby human) and can pass along 140 characters of advice. What would you say?
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Assume that the baby will be born into circumstances similar to your own, if necessary...
- Paul Buchheit
Wow, that's a stumper of a question! :)
- Susan Beebe
Learn all that you can, be noble, true, humble, love much. Seek wisdom from your family and friends
- Susan Beebe
Floss. :)
- AJ Batac :)
"It's mostly an illusion"
- Paul Buchheit
Never stop learning, enjoy the little things, cherish friends & family, try your best, keep an open mind, and indulge yourself occasionally.
- Nathan Chase
chase your passions, the rest follows. observe everything. work, love and play hard. change happens. live full and balanced. 3
- Charles Ying
What goes around comes around.
- imabonehead
I think Nathan has it! At least he said exactly what I would have written. :-)
- Victoria Plautia
Risk is not an option. And eat your vegetables.
- Micah
Study Thomas, he has more answers than anyone else you will read.
- Alex Scrivener
.....so are we trying to guess the meaning of life here? essentially I think that's what this question boils down to. I only need two characters:
- Ⓐ ☠ slayerboy ☠ Ⓐ
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- Ⓐ ☠ slayerboy ☠ Ⓐ
Fear the fail whale.
- Jim Norris
"If you think you already know the answer, you will never know the answer"
- Paul Buchheit
Alex, which Thomas?
- Paul Buchheit
You're a towel!
- Vezquex
Don't fear the fail whale.
- Paul Buchheit
Do unto others as you would have them do unto you, if you were in their position.
- Ruchira S. Datta
Everything is transitory.
- John E. Bredehoft
Don't tell them I told you this. They'll think you're nuts!
- Larry Hosken
"There's always an easier way"
- Paul Buchheit
I'm surprised no one's quoted Kurt Vonnegut yet. :)
- April Buchheit
April, is that your advice or an observation?
- Clare Dibble
Observation.
- April Buchheit
Stay away from the mohel.
- Leo Laporte
Crush the enemy. See them driven before you. Hear the lamentations of the women.
- iTad
"Think big. Code small."
- Paul Buchheit
For April: "There's only one rule that I know of, babies—God damn it, you've got to be kind."
- Paul Buchheit
Phase 1: Collect Handerpants; Phase 2: ?; and Phase 3: Profit
- imabonehead
Just wing it. It'll be cool.
- April Buchheit
Let's git rid of 140 chars nonsense limid.
- pb:
"Reasonable men adapt to the world around them; unreasonable men make the world adapt to them. The world is changed by unreasonable men."
- Paul Buchheit
Paul, try telling April that next time she is frustrated with you; I'm sure it will help ;)
- Clare Dibble
Just told my son this tonight -- Leave the earth better than the way you found it.
- Just Joe
Don't be such an asshole, asshole.
- Rodfather
@Paul, Aquinas
- Alex Scrivener
Assuming my reincarnated self has wifi and a smartphone, I might point him to Des'ree's 1990s pop hit: http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- Doug Beeferman
Treat others with respect. Feed your intellectual curiosity. Don't accept limits others place upon you and often, patience is required.
- Louis Gray
"Nobody else knows what's really going on either."
- The Amber
LCD is better than plasma
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
"Its not that bad, stop sh*tting yourself, ;)"
- chaz2b
++Leo, that sounds like very useful advice. :)
- Ruchira S. Datta
In the end it really doesn't matter, enjoy it while it lasts, do what makes you happy, try not to sabotage the happiness of others.
- April
Don’t sweat the small stuff. It’s all small stuff.
- Laura Norvig
"Dear Reincarnated Self: my head is frozen with the Life Extension Foundation. To get cool advice pls unfreeze me at ur earliest convenience."
- Philipp Lenssen
"Dont be afraid to take chances or march to a different beat. In the end only the soul counts, don't sweat the small stuff. Listen, learn."
- Grant Bierman
Dr. Cable. Watch it. ;-)
- Friendfeed's Francisco
I dare you to do better.
- Charles Ying
"Please ask the next generation to increase maximum message length."
- Ray Cromwell
BTW, Commander Data was able to get away with sending only 2 *bits* of information into the future/past to break out of a 'groundhog day' scenario. The message: 3
- Ray Cromwell
There once was a site called Twitter. It was worth a billion dollars...
- Sean Kelly
Exercise every day, learn to program asap. I have discovered a truly marvellous proof that these are the right things to do which this twee
- j1m
"I've finally discovered the secret to a contented and effective life, which for you, begins now. This joy can be yours. Just claim it by t" <snipped by character limit>
- Kurtiss Hare
Search for the will of the creator. Prefer the heaven of love to the hell of power.Every moment is unique.Train empathy. Give. [ yeah, I kept in the character limit! Twitter is like life sometimes, only, hu, more limitted :-]
- Willi Schroll
L^2>∞ love of life is greater then time and space. Compassion destroys the destroyer peace above me below me around me down me radiate peace
- Robert Higgins
That's easy: Join friendfeed as soon as possible.
- Vicarbott
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- Edward Coffey
"Propose multiple solutions to every problem. Or choose your own life."
- Ivo Danihelka
Learn Math.
- Comics Forge
"Context is everything."
- Bruce Johnson
from BuddyFeed
@RayCromwell - see my first comment ;)
- Charles Ying
"Listen." The other 133 characters are superfluous.
- Bruce Lewis
from fftogo
Ray Cromwell has said it best *rofl* please increase message length!! It doesn't get any better than that! Words of wisdom!! :)
- John Tastad
Seek truth
- Shakeel Mahate
Love always wins. Don't sweat happiness: find joy. (ponders how to translate the "becoming a man" speech from Secondhand Lions into 140 characters...)
- Ladyepiphanybug
Remember to save often...data and money. Live life like you have a reset button.
- Brian Merriman
Ignore advice. You'll figure it out.
- Todd Hoff
I won't develop the ability to type until years later, so I guess my only advice is "Ga Ga" and "Ball."
- Fleagle
Frankie says RELAX
- The Valz iz in
It's not just you, they're all crazy. Make as many friends outside the family as you can. You'll want to leave home. Do it. Don't look back. (this is a seriously awesome topic!)
- Lo the Baker
Follow your heart. Don't worry about failure because apparently reincarnation is real. Snooches!
- Kevin Fox
Dont let others decide for you what is good and right for you. Not even this message.
- Iphigenie
Learn your math. Especially Geometry. It will make your coding SO much more compelling!
- Joe Nickence
"Don't tweet"?
- Marcos
Actually, I prefer FF..
- ★ Soner Gönül
Well I won't list all 140 but 1 I will is: Do not live your life to live..Live it to die. In other words, prepare for death because all life is about is another chance to get it right so you can end Samsara.
- Merlyn Seeley
"In your past life, you never understood why people liked Twitter."
- Ryan Kaisoglus
the world is made of atoms
- bob
Crawl back in?
- dannysullivan
Use the force. Search your feelings. Live long and prosper.
- Charles Ying
When the time comes, cut the blue wire.
- David Gaw
There's always something bigger than you.
- Daisy
Dear new self: whatever you do, don't make all the same mistakes with your life that I did with mine. For example, you should never ever try [MAXIMUM MESSAGE LENGTH REACHED]
- Your Neighbor Steve
Don't put twinkies on your Pizza.
- Will Higgins™
Find Stuart Diamond and take his negotiation course when you're 16. Love yourself so you can love others. Also, reincarnation exists, and you were a geek in your previous life.
- Daniel Dulitz
Don't wish for what you aren't. Life will be far more interesting than you could ever expect. Play with the cards you're dealt, and have fun
- Bette Cooper
don't play safe gamble every day
- WarLord
Focus, be patient. Never give up. Timing is crucial.
- Jason (not an Argonaut)
from iPod
Call me Stewie, bow now and pay later. Put another coal in the power plant so you can continue watching this homage and choke on the fumes. [140 and referenced Family Guy, ideology, commerce, ecology, choice, and lost will.]
- William 'Bill' McPhe
"Tom Cruise must be stopped. By any means necessary."
- Otto
Otto, you have room to add "--your mission, if you choose to accept it."
- Micah
Life is all about ass. You're either covering it, kicking it, kissing it, busting it, laughing it off, or trying to get a piece of it.
- Mona Nomura
Mona, you forgot the part about being one.
- April
live!
- Barbara R. S.
Be kind to animals, nature, others & yourself. Do what you love. Love what you do. Never stop learning about the world around you.
- Bronson Harrington
Try to find the 140 characters you would pass along to your reincarnation.
- Eszter Susánszky
Nap.
- A Mitchell
The Private Web - http://www.techcrunchit.com/2009...
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In our day we had our Home phone and it was private if you could close the door
- paul mooney
this is our day and there are other alternatives now
- Steve Gillmor
In our day you could have an affair and your GPS coordinates couldn't be traced
- Francine Hardaway
maybe you could
- Steve Gillmor
Steve - Fabulous post! I love the deep level of investigation, research and analysis in this well-thought out and artfully crafted piece. Well done my friend! (Francine LOL)
- Susan Beebe
First, FriendFeed is _not_ going away. (in fact, we're working on switching it to new servers) Second, I know everyone wants to know what the team is working on, but we don't pre-announce things, so for now all I can say is that there's good stuff on the way. Re: http://friendfeed.com/jworthi...
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I know that doesn't answer everyone's questions, but I hope it helps.
- Paul Buchheit
Paul, working on friendfeed.com stuff or facebook.com?
- Kol Tregaskes
I like the first sentence. The rest is just gravy.
- Derek Coward
I'm totally happy if we just reside on decent servers, and get occasional IT help... We'll keep the rest of the ship running :)
- Christopher Galtenberg
Paul - is that why it's been slower lately vs.pre-fb ?
- Allen Stern
Paul please repeat it in re-phrased form: Friendfeed is NOT going to repeat destiny of Jaiku? Y/N
- A. T.
*processing statement...*
- Micah
Can't wait... **Fingers tapping desk impatiently**
- AJ Batac :)
But what does "going away" mean, Paul? And what does "team" mean? And when you say "pre-announce", are you talking about the Palm Pre?
- Ken Sheppardson
Allen, the slowness is due to growth (more users and more data), but I put in a few fixes yesterday that should speed things up a bit.
- Paul Buchheit
thanks paul
- Allen Stern
Paul, sometimes when I open up threads I get the Opps... error. Is that related? It has been happening more and more these last few days.
- Kol Tregaskes
Still better than twitter and facebook. Thanks for the update!
- Mike Nencetti
Paul, thanks for the incredible work with FriendFeed. Please, keep it alive! and most importantly keep it FriendFeed!
- Ciro Villa
as long as FF doesn't go dark or fall to pieces due to lack of maintenance, i think most ppl would be appeased.
- Joe Silence
Does this mean that the sky is not falling and we should stop running around screaming GODZILLA! and pointing in the direction of FB?
- Tony C (Unrated)
from fftogo
also, thank you for making such a great service in the first place!
- Joe Silence
Paul: Did you see http://www.thetechnewsblog.com/2009... & can you understand why it got so many people talking / blogging?
- Jim Connolly
I second that!!
- Kol Tregaskes
Always nice to hear Paul talking about Friendfeed.
- Ashish
Thanks Paul for the update.
- Roberto Bonini
Thanks for the update! Would like to know if there will be actual development done on FriendFeed in the future (other than bug fixes/minor updates) but I understand if you can't really talk about that too much.
- Brandon Titus
Paul: so still no answer from you as to if your 'good stuff' is being developed for FB or FF? The silence suggests it's FaceBook you're working on, or at least transferring FF into an 'add on' for Facebook?
- Jim Connolly
Kol, fb platform and openness, primarily.
- Paul Buchheit
David Recordon FTW
- Jesse Stay
i made a post here - http://www.centernetworks.com/friendf... - one interesting note - maybe FB keeps FF running nice and smooth to keep the early adopters happy as it's a great way to get new features out to them via this channel... just a thought.
- Allen Stern
Akiva, just add salt. You know which kind :)
- Micah
I'm anxiously waiting for FF->FB Platform integration (drools...)
- Jesse Stay
These are the best words I could have expected by Paul. There is obviously a cultural difference between the two platforms and audience and I'm assuming both the former FF team and the FB team recognize that and are sensitive to the community. Thank you Paul and I hope you are feeling better....
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Allen, you're in good company on that thought - there were musings on that concept right after the buyout.
- Micah
When the leader speaks, everyone listens.... :-)
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
I feel a few "I told you so's" coming though... :-)
- Jesse Stay
Thanks Paul. Glad you're working on maintaining/improving performance. I've definitely seen issues here. Looking forward towards your influence and changes over at the blue giant.
- Mark Krynsky
Paul - thank you for letting us know, and I do hope you feel better!
- Jennifer Dittrich
The big question though is will FriendFeed continue to add new features? There's a difference between that and it going away. (and hence my argument w/ Scoble the other day)
- Jesse Stay
Paul: Seriously weird that you're there reading this, and totally ignoring each relevant, yes no question. No one's asking you to pre announce anything - just genuinely concerned (and increasingly so) that they do NOT include developing for FF.
- Jim Connolly
Jesse +1
- Jim Connolly
I for one want to say: I'm excited!
- Jorge Escobar
Jesse: Paul answers that question - BOOM - rumour mill dies and we finally get something positive to say. Ya know what - we won;t get an answer though. He's reading this, he knows the answer, but he won't.
- Jim Connolly
Jesse: For now, FF has more features than any other platform for this type of niche. There's some catching up to do before I'm worried about new features.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Paul: I'm right, right? There's something stopping you from saying that you are no longer adding new features to what 'we' know as Friendfeed?
- Jim Connolly
Paul: Amazing how quickly you guys have adopted the Facebook attitude to silence. Pity.
- Jim Connolly
Paul: blink twice if you will add new features to FF. I won't tell anyone, honest.
- Edward Zwart
FWIW he did just upgrade servers. My e-mail notifications are almost real-time. Sounds to me like they're still improving the service.
- Jesse Stay
Jim: Don't blame Paul on that, it's not fair. He's only allowed to say so much at this point but I'm very satisfied on what he said.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Jesse: The questions not if they keep the servers running - we want to know if this is a dead platform.
- Jim Connolly
Jim: in Paul's defense Facebook's PR is more controlling than FriendFeed's was. I'm sure he's having to consider the effects his words will have on other people inside Facebook. But, I'm VERY HAPPY that Paul is here giving us hints as to what's coming. I wish it had happened six weeks ago so we wouldn't have lost so many people, but maybe that would happen anyway.
- Robert Scoble
Jim, there may be a few new things, but as I said, the team is mainly working on fb platform and openness, so it's unlikely that there will be any big new features of ff (except maybe one that I've been thinking about for a while...).
- Paul Buchheit
Did the Walrus think about Feed Splicing? :-)
- Robert Scoble
Paul: Finally - THAT'S what we were wondering.
- Jim Connolly
Paul: Pity. At least we now know not to expect any developments or improvements. Thanks for answering the question. Whilst it confirmed my fears, it's good to know what's happening.
- Jim Connolly
I have no problem with FB integration (notice my drool above). Hoping for good friend conversion tools to bring subscribers over as friends or fans on Facebook from FriendFeed. (Connect.registerUsers FTW!)
- Jesse Stay
Jim: I'd modify "any" to "many."
- Robert Scoble
As a result - Jim has left the platform.
- Jim Connolly
Jim: this is a change from last week, by the way. My sources were telling me that we weren't going to get any new features and now Paul is refuting that and saying we might get one new feature here.
- Robert Scoble
I'm still drooling - anyone have a towel?
- Jesse Stay
Jesse: I'll buy you a virtual one over on Ning.
- Robert Scoble
personally, i would be happy just to have FF not fall apart and die. given the post-acquisition situation, anything beyond that is gravy!
- Joe Silence
Robert, I heard Ning is dead - care to send me one on Facebook? ;-)
- Jesse Stay
Robert, think of it as 20% time. If there's a feature I want, I'll just add it :)
- Paul Buchheit
Thank you for the clarification, Paul, and hope you are feeling better.
- WoH: Minding her Steves
Even if there no new features in Friendfeed, I am happy with Friendfeed just staying on.
- Ashish
Paul, if you wanted me to bake you some cookies, all you had to do was ask, GEEZ.
- Derrick
Twitter doesn't accept cupcakes any more (just check Foursquare when at their offices). How about FriendFeed? :-)
- Jesse Stay
Mark, I'm okay with better Facebook integration. There's a lot of power in that (hence my drooling).
- Jesse Stay
Mark, I'm really hoping it ends up the best of both worlds - that would be really cool
- Jesse Stay
im going back to efnet - i got a bus for 7pm - anyone want on? :-P
- Allen Stern
I don't think you can mix the two sites at all. This has been repeated over and over. FriendFeed's technology might be portable, the concept, no.
- Jorge Escobar
I think you could make the case that some sites and services can in fact be "done" at some point, and simply require resources to keep them up and running.
- Ken Sheppardson
Thanks, Paul.
- Josh Haley
Ken: That's a potential advantage of turnkey application-level hosting such as App Engine: the resources to keep them up and running are almost entirely outsourced. ~All costs are variable costs, monetization improves over time, variable costs decline over time, so services that are "done" can literally just coast.
- Daniel Dulitz
might be a full-time job times 2 or 3 for any fresh devs - safe to say Paul's got a bit of a head-start which changes that equation significantly! .... Also maybe almost as important is simply keeping spammers in check - that makes the difference between a ghost town vs the happy place here we want to keep coming back to enjoy ...
- Dan Freeman
Yes, this helps a lot. Thank you, Paul. We were beginning to fight amongst ourselves over these things.
- Kamilah Reed (K. Gill)
Chris: the problem is that a shovel doesn't get more utility the more people that use it. FriendFeed does.
- Robert Scoble
I think the problem is that some people feel extra messianic some days (which is perfectly okay), and then refuse to see/believe/accept when others don't feel the same way AND point it out. The refusing part is not really okay, I guess.
- Michael Bravo
Thanks for these reassuring words Paul. Have been working hard to get more Flickr users over here after the recent rash of censorship there. Friendfeed's TOS and lack of censorship is a breath of fresh air compared to Flickr.
- Thomas Hawk
You can’t predict what the future of technology will bring; so trying is a fool’s game. You can only adapt to the new realities as best you can. Paul's word is that it is still worth the time to invest in FF the tool. The tool may stay in this form but that's still a better design for me than Twitter. If FF is a shovel, Twitter is a spoon feature-wise. Audience volume-wise, it is the reverse.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
"Feature creep is the devil." truer words!
- Joe Silence
I've been rough on you guys in some comments around, but I'm VERY encouraged to see that you guys see a future for FF. Thanks for shining some light, Paul.
- S of 2C
Clarification is appreciated.
- DGentry
Chris: Pownce had more "features" than Twitter did, yet it died. So did other aggregators like Jaiku. It's not "features" that matter in social software. Well, at least not completely. It's a combination of features with crowds that matter. If the crowds leave FriendFeed has a lot less utility to everyone than if they flow in. Look at this item here. Why is it interesting? Because there's people here talking about it.
- Robert Scoble
take your time PB Bear take your time
- Thomas Power
This is definitely more of the answer we were looking for. Thanks, Paul.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
yea - happy happy....
- Chris Jackson
I can't find any wave that is even remotely comparable with friendfeed's conversation, if you found one will you invite me? (muzzle at googlewave)
- Dr. Emme Ci
Great news, I await the new functions eagerly
- Mo Kargas
YAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This is the best thing I've seen ALL day!! woo hoo!! Thanks Paul :) {{{ HUG }}}
- Susan Beebe
Just a few words of assurance go a long way, Paul. Thank you for finally giving us something more solid to stand on. It's been frustrating for a lot of us waiting for the other shoe to drop and this news makes it much easier to keep investing time in FriendFeed. Please don't be shy about reaffirming that it's not going away on a regular basis because it's always good to hear.
- Lindsay
I will say it for the least time! Friendfeed kicks ass :). The rest who is saying friendfeed is dying. please SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!
- alfred westerveld
Good to read.
- Grant Bierman
@ThatDBD I think you're responding to the wrong thread...
- Lindsay
still curious, but understand
- Kim Landwehr
It's fascinating that so many people seem worried about new features. Until recently Twitter added almost no features at all and yet it continued to grow in popularity. FriendFeed's recent slump is all about perception, not tech.
- Eoghann Irving
Looks like it's official then: FriendFeed lives! On new servers, even! (At least for now...)
- Dennis Jernberg
Hoorah!
- Ron Bailey
Very glad to hear it!!
- Rosalinda Mojarro
word!
- Dylan Casey
This is great news! Thanks, Paul, for the update, and if you get a hankering for a feature, great! I'm fine with the tech being your personal sandbox in exchange for keeping the service alive. Robert, I hope this means we'll see more of you and your family - and hear from the ones who have mastered the art of rolling over. Johnny, thanks for having the courage to ask the hard questions (and Louis for helping you frame the issues.) wow - life feels good again!
- Auntie Buttinsky Botts
from iPhone
This is brilliant news from Paul! Now can we put this FriendFeed is dying business to rest please? It's a self fullfilling prophecy because by saying FF is dying, folks begin leaving, causing a downward spiral which would then cause it to come true!
- technogran
Wan't it to stay? Then begin spreading the word! Get others to use it! At the moment its not mainstream so encourage ordinary users to use FF! The more popular it becomes the less likely it is to fold.
- technogran
Yes :) Paul . Thanks. we love ff :)
- sunipeyk
Questions? No just enjoy it.
- ★ Soner Gönül
technogran: sorry, today you see what's going on. Bing? Displays your Facebook and Twitter tweets. Google? Twitter. Where's FriendFeed in this equation? Now do you get why FriendFeed is destined to be a tiny niche player and why the real action is on Facebook?
- Robert Scoble
Good news :)
- Maryam Ardakani
from FreshFeed
Is not FF that is going somewhere else (?). Is its user base.
- Claudio Cicali
Good to know.
- orionstarr
from iPhone
Robert, if FF gives me what I'm looking for, why do I care where "the real action" is? If FF serves its niche well, what's the downside?
- S of 2C
Robert, do you mean that Google doesn't index Friendfeed posts? Friendfeed is the first site that comes up if you search for my name.
- Victor Ganata
Excellent point Victor - but FF only imports a small % of twitter's posts. Ergo Google is still not getting Twitter.
- Roberto Bonini
@Scobleizer - this item is not interesting because of the conversation. it's interesting because of who it's from, and what he said. The fact that there's a conversation around it and that conversation is easy to find and read is a bonus (a feature) that sets this service head and shoulders above others (IMHO). There's really not much interesting in the comments here, if you ask me. You could get rid of all the comments that aren't Paul's and the value of the entry doesn't diminish that much.
- Chris Heath
That isn't to say that conversations around items aren't ever useful or valuable (or interesting as robert says)... but in this case i would say it's who it's from and what he said.
- Chris Heath
Chris: you nailed, in a single paragraph, why Twitter is winning. You now can choose who shows up on your screen and under what context. Well, I can because I have list support. Everyone else will get that next month. Victor: Roberto is right. I barely see ANY of the good stuff I see on Twitter come over here. Well, it comes here because of my favorites feed, but that isn't in nearly as useful a form as it is over at http://www.twitter.com/scoblei...
- Robert Scoble
Robert, you keep saying that's the reason Twitter's winning - I can do that in Facebook and FriendFeed as well.
- Jesse Stay
Well, the problem is that Google doesn't seem to index tweets as well as it indexes Friendfeed posts. And Google has never been able go inside Facebook's walled garden. Hopefully that will change.
- Victor Ganata
(and I have been able to for the last year or so)
- Jesse Stay
Victor, that changed today - see ReadWriteWeb's post. Facebook is opening up public status messages to search engines now.
- Jesse Stay
Why is Twitter/Facebook/FriendFeed a zero sum game? I use both Twitter and FriendFeed a lot - they have different strengths - and they feed into each other. Facebook I use less, but that's a personal issue because I simply like it less. Why does there have to be a winner? And +1 Scott, if I'm in the niche market that FF is serving and I'm happy with it, why should I care if "the real action" is on Facebook? If that's the case, I'll take FF's "fake action," thank you very much.
- Jandy
Good point Jandy
- sunipeyk
Paul: Thank you for letting us know status as much as you are able. The fact that you took time to write anything says a lot. So thank you for that. And thank you for FriendFeed in general. It truly does rock. Have a great day.
- Morgan
Thank you.
- amygeek
@Gene, sorry, you'll have to wait for a FB invite like everyone else!
- Andrew C (✓)
FF team needs 20% time at FB to keep inventing the next.
- Christopher Galtenberg
This is great to hear, it would be bad that a major peice of my microblogging arogration just died off.
- denzuko
Bump for clarification and Happy Birthday Paul!
- Charlie Anzman
Sources for the two Geotagging/Mobile images from Twitter are http://apiwiki.twitter.com/f... and http://apiwiki.twitter.com/f.... Any thoughts?
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Gillmor Gang 10.15.09 - http://gillmorgang.techcrunch.com/2009...
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Location, location, location — foursquare’s Dennis Crowley, drop.io’s Sam Lessin. socialmedia.com’s Seth Goldstein, and Robert Scoble. Recorded live Thursday, October 15, 2009.
- Steve Gillmor
Full transcript http://gillmorgang.techcrunch.com/2009...
- Steve Gillmor
Gillmor Gang 10.01.09 - http://gillmorgang.techcrunch.com/2009...
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The Gillmor Gang — Phil WIndley, Craig Burton, Robert Scoble, and Kevin Marks — debate Google sidewiki and identity politics. Recorded live October 1, 2009. Full transcript below the video, courtesy of Simulscribe. Download the original attachment Mr. STEVE GILLMOR: Hi. Welcome to the Gillmor Gang. I’m Steve Gillmor and we’ve got some - of the usual suspects [...]
- Steve Gillmor
The Gillmor Gang — Phil WIndley, Craig Burton, Robert Scoble, and Kevin Marks — debate Google sidewiki and identity politics. Recorded live October 1, 2009. Full transcript below the video, courtesy of Simulscribe. Download the original attachment Mr. STEVE GILLMOR: Hi. Welcome to the Gillmor Gang. I’m Steve Gillmor and we’ve got some - of the usual suspects [...]
- Steve Gillmor
Does anyone have a feed for the bootlegged audio-only version?
- nick
Great show! totally explained Sidewiki and why it is fine and doesn't offend the website owner!
- Phillip Molly Malone
Never thought I'd say this, but I'm with Scoble on this one - not that there's anything either of us can do about it.
- Richard Carter, FCD
from iPhone
funny thing is, Scoble has built a job on doing "side" channels on other peoples content. What is the difference?
- William Stacey
RT @sengineland Google Offers A Proposal To Make AJAX Crawlable http://searchengineland.com/google-... [fixed source, sorry!]
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For #innovation to succeed, you must be passionate about its *application* far more than its ideation. (via @jsbelfiore) - http://twitter.com/ldguymn...
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It's Twitter's World: The Second, Parallel, Internet - http://www.louisgray.com/live...
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Louis, I think this is probably your best-written post yet. Well done, sir.
- Jesse Stay
with you Jesse this is LG's best. When is he going to write a book do you think? I want to read LG on the planes. I've seen all the movies. I've read all the papers. I want stuff like Parallel Internet in book form.
- Thomas Power
Starting to feel a little jealous after Thomas's post ;-)
- Jesse Stay
Hey Jesse why you jealous? cos' I've seen all the movies ...what can I say that's iTunes for you
- Thomas Power
really enjoyed this one! nice job, Louis
- Brian Hendrickson
Google Wave’s unproductive email metaphors - http://scobleizer.com/2009...
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RT @gfriend:Speaking of the real time revolution: Real Time Regulation - A New Business and Policy Frontier http://www.natlogic.com/approac...
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Brilliant: "Some businesses may be concerned about potential damage to competitiveness by disclosure of “proprietary” data. But anything that leaves a plant is no longer private. Release it to the commons, and the public has a right to know. Don’t want the public to know? Don’t emit. (No one would throw confidential financial records out on the street, and expect them to be private. Why...
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- Michael R. Bernstein
i want to start company to disorganize world's info & make it universally unaccessible & useless. just to keep google busy
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I think we have a new nemesis. :)
- Matt Cutts
from iPhone
Does your proposed company have a motto?
- Tim Tyler
This is the wittiest comment I read here on Friendfeed - ever.
- Space Cowboy
Apparently, the company has already been started. I had several replies saying that governments in general seem to make things disorganized and unaccessible :)
- dannysullivan
Suggestions for the name of the company: Spammers
- Shakeel Mahate
Hilarious Danny!
- Greg Bogdan
How about Elsevier?
- Ruchira S. Datta
ARGs generate new information but intentionally make it obscure and difficult to access.
- Chris Bentzel
Revealing the People Defining Social Networks - http://www.briansolis.com/2009...
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Introducing Sociability: Usability For The Social Web http://tinyurl.com/ycgc2z3 - http://twitter.com/RobinGo...
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this is hilarious -- "Microsoft's grinning robots or the Brotherhood of the Mac. Which is worse?" http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment... [via @flashlight]
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Gillmor Gang MP3: http://ia311238.us.archive.org/3... with @stevegillmor Brett Slatkin @daveman692 @kevinmarks & @scobleizer RSS feed at http://feeds2.feedburner.com/bootleg...
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Forbes article: http://www.forbes.com/2009... puts up a big ad + a link "Skip this welcome screen" - I think you mean UNwelcome screen there @forbes
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DNS for RSS feeds (Scripting News). "It's not rocket science." http://www.scripting.com/stories...
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The source code for my blog (http://bret.appspot.com/), which I converted to run on Tornado this weekend, is available at http://github.com/finitel...
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Inspired by Ben: http://www.benjamingolub.com/e...
- Bret Taylor
No, I was inspired by you :)
- Benjamin Golub
from iPhone
I think you both are inspiring :-)
- Jesse Stay
Where did you find the social icons?
- Jason Williams
Jason: I am searching for the URL. I was googling for free social media icons, and it was on a page with a lot of them.
- Bret Taylor
Looks like you came across Handycons 2 (http://www.jankoatwarpspeed.com/post...) via Woork's "Best 5 hand-drawn social icon set" post (http://woork.blogspot.com/2009...)
- Ken Sheppardson
Tornado is now replacing twisted in its native domain http://superjared.com/entry...
- Tzury Bar Yochay
Thanks Ken and Brett!
- Jason Williams
Buchheit at Facebook - http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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why's the video private steve?
- Chris Heath
Private videos hurt us all. :)
- Louis Gray
Facebook's garden is so completely walled, that any video you take there is automatically private. It must drive Robert Scoble crazy when he shoots there.
- Bruce Lewis
Thanks for unprivatizing it Steve! (edit: wow 51 minutes!)
- Chris Heath
Thx 4 that
- Johni Fisher
This makes me feel that no more efforts will be made to improve FriendFeed once their current load is done. This is the first time I've felt like that - I'd love some confirmation one way or the other, especially from a development standpoint. Do we continue writing software for FriendFeed, or should we focus all our efforts towards Facebook now?
- Jesse Stay
Jesse, to me it sounds like paul was saying FF will take a back seat to FB in priority. I'm only 13 minutes into the video, but so far that seems to be what he's saying.
- Chris Heath
Even if the guts of FF make it into FB, there's no way that the interfaces will stay the same. The FB API and the FF API are like apples and oranges. So, developing anything on top of the FF interfaces at this point doesn't seems kind of pointless.
- Carter ♥ HTML5
Bob, I really enjoy developing for Facebook. And they've shown it's getting much better.
- Jesse Stay
Bob, we don't go anywhere... stay here.
- Chris Heath
Bob, I think you'll see a lot of what FriendFeed is doing further integrated into Facebook. I'd love more confirmation on what these guys will be doing within Facebook though so I can be more assured. That said, I know the guys at Facebook and I trust the direction they're going. It's just a bigger network to do that with, so unfortunately it will happen slower and more carefully.
- Jesse Stay
FriendFeed is awesome just as it is... if there were no more features added I would be just as happy... as long as FF stays online.
- Chris Heath
Bob, Facebook isn't that much of a walled garden - yes, you can make it a walled garden, but they are opening up, little by little. Pages, for instance, are completely public.
- Jesse Stay
Bob, you're getting ahead of yourself here and making assumptions. Let the dust settle and see what happens.
- Chris Heath
Bob, yes - that's the concern. However, when I say slow, I mean they just have more features to release and improve because they have much, much more features than Twitter or FriendFeed. They're still launching new things weekly, often several times a week.
- Jesse Stay
Bob, they don't have plans to kill FF any time soon. My hope is just that they either continue updating FF or push the efforts they were going to put towards FF and put that towards Facebook. I'm guessing the latter will happen.
- Jesse Stay
have you guys watched the video?
- Chris Heath
Steve: Thanks for this!!
- Jim Connolly
Lots of smiles from Paul. Better quality than that brunch interview. :D
- Rob Schieber
Should be no surprise, Facebook is priority, FriendFeed features on back burner if they're more intensive, involved.
- Rob Schieber
This is an outstanding talk about the ping services relating to real time web. Love it.
- Rob Schieber
Probably a key area of development here is comment nesting. Will Google Wave come out of the box with this?
- Rob Schieber
Is comment nestiing really a necessary feature?
- Cliff Gerrish
comment nesting doesn't work with real-time updating comments - think about it...
- Chris Heath
Real-time happens at every point in the discussion, a la Wave, but it diffuses attention. A single point of update helps the eye find the most current comment.
- Cliff Gerrish
Nesting works 1 level deep - that's how we do it with Echo. Any deeper and it does gets confusing
- Chris Saad
The Future of the Social Web: In Five Eras - http://www.web-strategist.com/blog...
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Interesting stuff...thanks for sharing
- Hugo Guzman
Great info! I agree fish where the fish are :)
- Peter du Toit (S.Africa)
Agree on the whole. I always find these categories a little artificial: Really "Forrester-speak". :) I think the recommendations are the most interesting. I'd make a separate post out of that.
- Meryn Stol
You say it yourself: "What’s interesting isn’t this vision for the future, but what it holds in store for brands, " . I'd like these recommendations to be fleshed out with concrete first steps to take. Doesn't have to be more than links to relevant resources.
- Meryn Stol
Meryn The recommendations are fleshed out in the actual reports. Our clients (brands) have access to see them.
- Jeremiah Owyang
Hmm ok... Then I'll need to get the details elsewhere I guess. :)
- Meryn Stol
There will be a give and take between communities and brands. The thing is, Facebook doesn't have a competitive alternative that users could go to. In my report, we suggest that active communities could define specs for products, and bid MULTIPLE companies to build it.
- Jeremiah Owyang
good stuff Jeremiah, enjoyed and some good thought provokers there for the future
- Richard Binhammer
Nice paper but really expensive for young people. $750 means $41 for page.
- Alp
Great information, understanding the future's potential is more important than ever on the social web.
- Maria Reyes-McDavis
Interesting, but very general and hard to apply. I see companies more as å provide of tools/stage for conversation, aka the gold rush mining vs selling tools
- Anders Dahlberg
Alp, Many of Forrester's clients are large brands who have a subscription. We're still sharing a great deal on this blog, and have given the report to bloggers to cover, so there's value to be had there.
- Jeremiah Owyang
Jeremiah (and the team), a great piece of work and, I imagine, a labour of both love and loathing at times! I have been very interested in this area as I have looked at the shift in skills to deliver social media activity changes from one of basic coding knowledge to much more human, interactive skills.
- Paul Fabretti
Fantastic article! I found it SO intriguing that I've even printed it out!
- J. D. Ebberly
"How Brands Should Prepare" is a great bit of information. Jeremiah, it would be nice (i'd be reading) if you expanded in future blog posts about the "How Brands Should Prepare".
- frank barry
That's likely to be a research report I'm thinking about writing Frank
- Jeremiah Owyang
Probably correct in assuming that most online social networks will neither spawn nor solidify to the point of being considered ‘affinity groups’ with the level of cohesion, unified budgetary authority or organized implementation capability of NGOs, churches, or employee aggregations. Even in the era of social commerce. I hope I’m wrong.
- A Mitchell
Great post, understanding the future's potential is more important than ever on the social web.
- Vlad Hrouda
Just found this... great stuff!
- Gerd Leonhard
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