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It's better than being IN the event with no Twitter-pulse. - Dave

even more reason to not rest a social program on one channel. - matt ceniceros

San Antonio and Austin... "we'll be there", said a Racker knowing that others would agree and follow en masse :) - Robert J Taylor

Cone, sounds good, we will also be looking for a recommendations for a bar in Dallas for our Drinkup. - Scott Beale

Robert, Rob La Gesse has been helping me plan our San Antonio Drinkup, looks like it will be on 10/8. I'll be there from 10/6-10/8 visiting all of the Rackspace offices. - Scott Beale

Oh and Austin will be on 10/9 at the new Gingerman of course - Scott Beale

firefox is such a pain, i keep explorer open "just in case" *shudders* - matt ceniceros

Opera rocks. Lots of addons and sizzling speed. - BLOGBloke

Firefox seems to work just fine for me. - David Fowler

On XP it is rock solid. I think that most of the problem with FFx are on Mac platform. - dstamand

I read @arrington @ techcruch he does have valid points, I am using @ least 3 browsers at the same time plus testing few alpha's out there. Expect 4 Safari. gong back 2 FF, I know it has 2 do with some plugins, some say GreaseMonkey...so on. if FF hangs, just check again if ur stuff r submitted then u know ur stuff r submit. Btw, FF problems r not isolated 2 Mac, its Vista , Win 7 & hearing Linux 2 having issues - polou/indigo_bow

FF 3.5 is not yet official in Ubuntu 9.04 - Aaman (Clone of FF)

I am not sure if it's a firefox problem, as much as i think it's a twitter problem. In other words, I think whatever the problem is, it's one twitter can fix. - April Russo (app103)

@joelcomm 56,667 following? and blog subscriptions extra? - testbeta

Twitter suggests you clear your cookies in Firefox - http://bit.ly/10GgBB - Alex Knight

When I had problems with Firefox 3.5, it helped when I uninstalled it and loaded again. - Kirk Bryan

private browsing could ease the issue a little, some Ubuntu users can still get FF3.5 via download direct official site - polou/indigo_bow

I totally agree. Even Peet's in SF offers free wifi, along with a lot of local coffee houses... Starbuck's coffee is always so acidic tasting... - Ariane from Alert Thingy

aw man, peets coffee is the business! and like the rest of you, it bites that you have to pay for starbucks wifi...i mean, DAMN! - Tofu De la Moore

I was a fan of Starbucks' new Wifi strategy until I started explaining it to my brother-in-law and heard how ridiculously complicated it sounded coming out of my mouth. ("You need a card, and you have to register it online and link it to AT&T. Then you need to keep a minimum balance of $5 on it and use it once every 30 days. Okay. When you get into the store you get an authorization screen... ") Because, of course, it IS too complicated. Free, by which I mean really free and simple to use, is better. - Bill Barol

not to mention the fact that their coffee sucks ass. - Cameron Reilly from twhirl

I agree. I want wifi. - Ryan

And freaking wall outlets. Wifi without power makes me stabby. - Kevin D. White

give me free wifi, and I buy coffee...otherwise, it's on to the next coffee shop I go. - Bob Blunk

Yuck! I mean seriously, who wants to see Belichick doing this. - Michelle Martinez

If only he would have put this much effort into coaching the Browns, they might have had more winning seasons! - River

Well said, Carol! LOL - StephenTorrence

What about kungfu? :) - imabonehead

bikram is a fixed set of postures.. to combine all of the above some poweryoga classes might help. - Marcel Ekkel

Jott has yett to win me over. - l0ckergn0me

Jott is transcribed by humans. If you don't speak clearly they can't understand you and give it their best guess. A real person actually listens to your recording, types it in and then sends it back to you. - Adam Turetzky

Uh, yeah. - David Zeitman

I don't use PR NewsWire anymore. - Francine Hardaway

Here's a follow up to this conversation you may relate to: http://mediapitch.ning.com/profile... - Jason Kintzler

PR Web has so much garbage on it...Nothing REALLY vetted and PR Newswire using Dubious SEO group for premium distribution in states. - lonnie b hodge

I'm all for Social Media Press Releases (see: Brian Solis, Todd Defren, Chris Heur, "The Terrific Trio") distributed through bogs, but... watch out for Gina Trapani and Chris Anderson ;-) - Amadou M. Sall

The press release won't ever just go away. There's sec requirements etc., but these companies need to change the way they see distribution. - matt ceniceros

With companies using social media releases and online newsrooms, I think a more FriendFeed-like distribution method could take their place. Free, and filtered. - Jason Kintzler

PR is "Professional Relationships." Social Media is just "relationships." I know when a PR person writes something (or calls or emails) that he/she wants me to pass along that message. When someone writes something here they don't care. That's a huge difference. - Robert Scoble

PR is about sending a message. SM is about sending a message, getting a response and creating a conversation - Dave Peck

I agree with all all the comments here, and will also say that when I've contacted people for a PR purpose, I've still thought about it as a conversation with a human being, not so much as a "pitch." That's why the concept of "social media" and social networking came easily to me. I had always worked that way. - Cathryn Hrudicka

I agree with both Britney and Cathryn. I think there has a been a long-standing division between the "practitioners" and "professionals" in the PR industry. Now that the primary media distribution medium has merged with the primary communication channel (it's all happening online), the differenence between the two groups has simply become more pronounced. PR and social media are both... more... - Steve Lynch

aren't we just splitting hairs at this point? For PR, social media should be viewed as a channel, much like dailies, broadcast and radio are. Then within the channel each community approached with unique tactics. You wouldn't approach FORTUNE the same as CNBC or Forbes the same as C|Net. One emerging trend coming from GenY and its impact in the workforce is the lines between professional and private lives are blurring. This is just happening in PR. This isn't Bernays PR world. - matt ceniceros

Social Media by definition is about using technology to communicate and interact in new ways and share elements like text, photos, videos. It's not a new form of comm, rather new forms of delivery, and new tools to do so. PR and media are well suited for social media from a "professional" standpoint because the rely on delivering the elements of a story. I agree with Matt, it's more of a channel at this point. Bloggers are not necessarily journalists, but they are influential in their space (ie.Scoble) - Jason Kintzler

Social media = our shared community view of the world. Traditional media = someone is selling something. - Dion Hinchcliffe from twhirl

PR is a purposeful effort to gain attention to a specific company, product, or service. Social Media is a nebulous term generically applied to blogging, social networking, online communities, and anywhere else where an individual can have a voice. There isn't any form of appropriate comparison, because they are completely different things. - Jeremy Toeman

I would say that social media is a tool that can be used as a conduit for PR, one is the channel, the other is the message. - Jackie Peters

I agree with Jackie PR is about getting the message out, typically on a professional level as Scoble indicates, while social media has created yet another distribution outlet for PR as well as many other communications. The trick for PR professionals is to recognize that social media is a two way street and is not merely an outward push of information. They should also use it to respond to readers and to keep an eye out for public opinion regarding their organization/product/service, etc. - Heidi Cool

I agree with Jason, social media is just merely the channel, and each channel is a tactic. The overall strategy should be influence marketing, utilizing each of these channels to achieve your business objectives whatever they may be. PR really has no place in social media except as an additional source of information. People only trust companies to get the facts about their products which creates awareness. Everything else is almost always drawn from research and conversations with objective third parties. - Devlin Dunsmore

A bland video on YouTube is useless. Same goes for a pure PR based corp blog. If companies are going to use social media for anything of value it has to be influence marketing. Engaging your customers at different points in the funnel in different parts of the web is the only way to establish new and strengthen existing customer relationships. - Devlin Dunsmore

In this conversation thread the assumption is that the dynamics of social conversations and messaging will remain the same. The question we need to ask is "Would we there be market for professional PR in 10 years from now given the rise of social media?" I think the hurricane of two way communication revolution with instant feedback is building up and what we have seen so far is only tip of the ice-berg. There is a good chance that top-down one way megaphone style messaging may be history in a decade. - Vic Podcaster

PR is the tool used to establishing and maintaining your brand / image / culture; whereas, Social Media is all about engaging your audience and fostering deeper community ties that relate to your brand management. So PR is the upper layer (formal) and the SM layer is more person and intimate layer (informal). - Susan Beebe

PR evolved to influence the media controllers, just as advertising evolved to piggback on the media flow. Both practics evolved to influence consumers indirectly, because direct consumer interaction wasn't practical. Social media now allows direct engagement, and has evolved in an environment where consumers reject manipulative influence. This is a problem for PR and adverstising, but... more... - Chris Kenton

@Chris - BINGO!! real authentic relationships are must...no fake manipulative crap. - Susan Beebe

I think in the context of corprate outreach, social media is a public relations conduit. Yes, there are different rules, but social media is a communications mechanism, not some separate animal altogether. Two cents. - Jason Falls

pR, if you take it back far enough, is the delivery f information to the public, and social media is an interactive too used to deliver it, just like TV or a newspaper, only two way. Long way of saying I agree with Jason. And manipulation came fairly late to PR. - Francine Hardaway from twhirl

According to conventional wisdom, PR "is working" when a key message is repeated by "an expert" in an "editorial" context. With social media, it's about the "evolution" of a message/idea, once the group "engages" with it. This distinction presents the greatest challenge for PR firms – they're good at "placing" key messages with influencers; not starting/continuing conversations with communities. - David Zeitman

it's not a one solution for everyone world.... this is just good for everyone - Stefan Hayden

Like Julian, I'm the same way. Signed up for Plurk, but haven't returned. But if Twitter keeps sucking the fail whale wind, I'll probably end up there too. - adam christensen

I don't get it. I really don't like Plurk and I really love Friendfeed. Why oh why doesn't everyone think just like me? - Jack Baty

Think I plurked for one night...and then went back to FF waiting for Twitter to come back up. - matt ceniceros

my goodness. please no. plurk = distraction. - Brian Daniel Eisenberg

get rid of karma and have an API and i'll plurk more. - Chris Harris

plurk is interesting for like 2 days... - Alan Le

@Julian Baldwin: a barrier to entry, you mean. In any case you need to be a content producer on FF - Roberto Bonini

LastFM has those types of features; Pandora is more black box. I'm not so interested in finding others who have similar tastes as "friends" but do like to listen to "neighbor radio" on Last FM to discover similar types of music that my musical peers like. - Barry Graubart from twhirl

last.fm rocks. Streaming it right now. - matt ceniceros

No, I have to much invested in Pandora, I've "trained" a few stations already - Jeremiah Owyang

last.fm is the way to go, especially now with the new api. Pandora seems just so limiting - Alan Le

Pandora.FM scrobbles to last.fm as you listen to Pandora. I haven't tried it yet. http://pandorafm.real-ity.com/login... - Jason Wehmhoener