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- daveccorey
Eran, the purchase of gizmo doesn't really have any solid news behind it.... it's all speculation though i suspect that dvoark will want to talk about it on twit today since he wrote a pcmag column about it
- Chris Heath
What happens to the pc market when someone sells a sub $300 chrome os that yout just plug the box in to a tv.
- Michael Mooney
from Android
Yeah, your TV is your web browser, but what about the resolution?
- Nathan Snyder
Anyone seen this? http://bit.ly/6BmZxV - "The Googlephone: Google gears up for attack on mobile-phone market"
- Ave
yes this news was covered - the milestone was talked about on twig and twit two weeks ago (i think) when wil harris was on twit. - that first one about the google phone is a developing story that is constantly being covered on this show
- Chris Heath
and that times online story doesn't source many of it's claims (like when it will be available. they just cite experts saying that they think it will be available early next year) the data plan only voip phone by google aka the googlephone is currently not a product that google admits to working on. google is going for a very iphone like pr plan with leaks but not too many to hype the...
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- Chris Heath
Do they have this in infant sizes? :)
- Louis Gray
I've played with one and the WakeMate is pretty neat. Leaving aside the sleep aspect, I think hobbyists and hackers will enjoy playing with a device that has accelerometers and a Bluetooth interface. It's like a little Wiimote.
- Matt Cutts
I have the SleepTracker watch, which is more expensive and it's harder to analyze the data, so I can't recommend it over the wakemate. But I'm more excited about the Zeo, which seems to use some kind of rudimentary EEG rather than accelerometers.
- Patri Friedman
“Get the hell out of my store, you freeloader! This is for members-only. We don’t need riff-raff like you in here.” Danny breaks down the situation with humor + logic.
- Matt Cutts
from iPhone
Danny Sullivan has been on a roll with Murdoch/Google articles. Eagerly waiting to see how this will play out.
- Atul Arora
"... There’s one thing you shouldn’t do. Blame others for sending you visitors and not figuring out how to make money off of them." - well phrased conclusion about a situation everyone only slightly knowing the web is shaking their heads about the last couple of weeks.
- Henner Zeller
I'd hope there'd be some kind of strategy to it! Though, if I were to take the "obvious" path, it's because people want less computer for their computing these days. And, as the video says, more people are spending more time in the browser, so...! why not just rid of all the other stuff that gets in the way?
- Chris Messina
Google Chrome runs web pages and applications with lightning speed. Chrome OS runs them even faster. Faster means more users on the web. More users on the web means more users using Google. That's a pretty simple, and highly effective, strategy.
- DeWitt Clinton
Well, I think the coupling of Chrome OS to specific hardware reqs is one of the more interesting things here. It gives Google a "hand to reach out into reality" in a way that it only previously had with Android/G1 devices.
- Chris Messina
(As always, speaking for myself, not Google) I assume the coupling to hardware specs is the only reasonable way to guarantee sane behavior. Encouraging people to install it on arbitrary hardware would open it up to all the problems that any non-Windows OS (and sometimes even Windows) has on arbitrary hardware -- driver hell and unpredictable performance. Very similar to Apple's approach, but without the overpriced hardware.
- Joel Webber
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- LogEx
As much as the claims that "Google is the new Microsoft" rings true, this is something that I could never see Google doing. In what way is this good for MSs customers?
- Joe Beda ()
from iPhone
I think the article is pretty spot-on, except that I don't agree that in-stream advertising would need to be bad. Automated spam would be bad. But if it were possible to charge legitimate happiness-creating advertisers a reasonable fee to advertise, and step up efforts to fight spam, the result of that combination could be great. Advertising removes money from the system, some portion...
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- Daniel Dulitz
What about ssh? ftp? editors for coding? There's a lot of things that won't run on ChromeOS
- Maxamad
@Maxamad - Robert was talking about the applications he saw demoed at the TechCrunch Real Time Crunchup. I don't believe anyone demoed photoshop there.
- DeWitt Clinton
Yet you can't ignore the fact there's a lot of things that ChromeOS simply won't be able to do just in a browser. If you can somehow get a high quality photoshop-equivalent image editing suite online with something like Cappuccino or canvas, I might be impressed, but there's much it can't do
- Maxamad
@Maxamad - My coffee maker makes a lousy panini press, too, but I still use it every morning. Likewise, my smartphone doesn't run photoshop, but I'm on it a lot more than my iMac, which does. Your point?
- DeWitt Clinton
My point is that it seems underpowered and it doesn't look like a viable replacement for my computer right now; although I'll admit I don't think it was intended to be. There just doesn't seem much reason to buy it if it's this stripped down besides the speed factor
- Maxamad
Fair enough. Personally I'd love an inexpensive fast portable device with a decent keyboard that lets me do even 80% of what I need to do (the 80% that's already online). If Chrome OS happens to be the best platform in the world for that, then I'd say it was a pretty big win for everyone.
- DeWitt Clinton
and even if everything ran on it, what's the point of it? There are already better implementations of these kind of features. I guess it might be a less-open-and-free linux for the masses who havent heard of linux yet, and that is not to be sneered at, Google can push it into manufacturers etc. Let's not forget their goal: everything through them
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
@Joelle - In 4 years at Google I've never once heard a single person at any level of the company articulate "everything through Google" as a goal. Literally not once. Quite the contrary, I've heard (and said myself) hundreds or thousands of times that it is an explicit anti-goal.
- DeWitt Clinton
@Maxamad webGL exposes OpenGL pixel shaders to Javascript, this means a lot of photoshop style filters can be offloaded directly to hardware from Javascript. For iPhoto-like photo editing (fix exposure, contrast, etc) you can definitely do it. You could even do it in pure JS, especially with server-help to send you previews. Netbooks are not graphic workstations, so I don't see a need for professionals to want to run Adobe CS on them.
- Ray Cromwell
DeWitt - I am not as paranoid about Google as I perhaps sound at times, but I find it strange that there is such disconnect between the rank and file at google (all smart guys with a tad of idealism) and what I have heard in business conferences where I have heard executives define Google as "the dominant advertising company" (not how they describe themselves in a tech or user...
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- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
@Joelle: w.r.t. "Google in control of way too much": I just don't understand how building a free OS in the open, on a Linux base, open-source, with no proprietary APIs qualifies as "in control". This is a machine I desperately want to be able to give to my mom and my in-laws, because it will be so much simpler than the mess they have now, and does everything they need it to. But if any...
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- Joel Webber
@Joelle: Seems to me there are many more people blindly crying "nothing new here, move along" or "ooh, scary Google" than there are people blindly crying "genius." I used to be upset about this, but now I realize it's a huge competitive advantage for Google when a lot of people who might otherwise be competitors simply have no clue what the good ideas are behind what we're doing. It...
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- Daniel Dulitz
@Joel: this is why I called it a "kiosk" OS - it will be far easier to use for people who just want a machine to communicate and do the occasional letter (via webapps). And yes, for that usage it is far better than the closed options. No discussion there. And indeed Google could not work on an existing full Linux project, because every other distro would have called foul. And since the...
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- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
@Daniel - [slightly rejigged to make it shorter] these weren't sales execs, these were officer level, first time was 2003... But it doesn't matter really. But come on, being such a successful company with lots of talent, and so dominant in the market, a near monopoly in some areas, we are allowed to be a bit wary as users. Especially since most the products are free and there is no...
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- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
I realise this all made me sound far more anti Google than I am :( I'm not, really. This is a move by Google to anticipate where things are going, and point them in a direction that protects Google's business model (i.e. stay in the browser instead of using apps and clients for specific purposes ala adobe AIR or iphone), via a return to the thin client. And that is totally a fair...
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- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
@Joelle, do be wary. But companies without lock-in have continuous accountability. I respect people who say, "I don't use Google (or a specific Google product) because Google did Y, and that's over the line for me." That's accountability. But "I don't use/engage with G (or specific G product) because G is big and scary" is harder for me to understand, because that treats G as though it...
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- Daniel Dulitz
@Joelle, also, my group is a central contact point for monetization models at Google. Typically months or years after a product launches, its team contacts us to discuss whether and how to monetize. I remember only one team ever coming to us before launch, and it wasn't Chrome. Thinking about revenue and profiling and so on matters most if you have small ideas. If you have big ideas,...
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- Daniel Dulitz
Just enjoying the discussion in the comments. :)
- Matt Cutts
from iPhone
FWIW, I feel like anyone saying "wow, how innovative -- those guys are geniuses" about Chrome OS itself is being a bit silly. In essence it's actually kind of a simple thing, and one that is a recognition of the fact that the web is finally coming into its own as a platform. Arguably Chrome OS *isn't* a platform -- it's just a way of getting everything else out of the way and...
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- Joel Webber
Meh. You have to realize Scoble is a cheerleader for this stuff. He will come out with another blog about the negatives in a few weeks. Not trying to take a shot or anything, but that's what he does. Chrome OS isn't going to take over much, especially if people have to buy new hardware just to run an enhanced browser.
- Spencer
The way I see it is this, there is a segment of population, namely tweens and teens, who spend most of the computer use online and not running desktop applications, who could use an ultraportable $150 netbook that powers on instantly and has awesome battery life, and is good enough for their communication needs as well as the needs of school. Do these people need Windows 7? I don't think so.
- Ray Cromwell
I have a $600 HP laptop and I run nothing but chrome 95% of the time. I also run Pidgin and VirtualBox every so often but mostly it's just Chrome. I would be happy to do this on a smaller/cheaper machine.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
@Daniel - I like the vision you describe. No doubt I can align with that. It's also a very good point you made about coercive versus uncoercive. If too many people mix them up there will be no reward for being uncoercive. Guilty as charged (I'm irrationally anti hype - hype triggers me in silly ways -because typically it unustly ignores other products and prior art etc. - I'm sure you...
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- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
@Joelle, that makes sense to me. If you block third-party cookies like I do, I think G has far less data about you as a passive surfer (e.g. AdSense) than many other parties do. Sadly, there's no way to turn off passive ISP tracking like you can choose to turn off passive Google tracking. Anyway, I don't think you need to choose now on the basis of whether you can trust G in 10 years;...
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- Daniel Dulitz
@Nick: I was actually aware of all of those except net2ftp, and I must say, I am having a change of heart towards ChromiumOS. Just tried it out today and it's pretty nice. I guess my only objection is the dummification of the computer, but if it works for some people and is fast, I would definitely get it. It looks like a really nice side computer as well
- Maxamad
Yeah, I think the whole side-computer thing is a big deal. I use an Ubuntu netbook a lot, and the only thing I have on that which won't work as well under ChromeOS is Dropbox.
- Nick Lothian
Been using it for months. It's getting pretty good.
- Sean O'Connor
adblock? when it is as good as ff, i am there
- Gregory Lent
I tried to switch from FF a couple weeks ago but it still seemed buggy to me. I couldn't get the bookmark manager to run and I couldn't reorder the icons on my bookmark toolbar which in FF is simple drag and drop.
- Ed Millard
There are still a few little hitches here and there, but it's really coming together overall. The only reason I open Safari these days is to run Wave (there is still an irritating scroll-hitching bug in Chrome that affects Wave; I'm sure it'll go away soon). Oh, and I'll take fast over adblock any day :)
- Joel Webber
I've been running it as my main browser for a few months now. Works great and I wouldn't go back to the others.
- Diego Barros
I’m driving East out of San Francisco on I-80, fleeing my life under the cover of dusk. Having come to the interstate by a circuitous route, full of quick turns and double backs, I’m reasonably sure that no one is following me. I keep checking the rearview mirror anyway. From this point on, there’s no such thing as sure. Being too sure will get me... - http://www.emptyage.com/post...