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That's kind of an understatement :) (these people keep emailing me, completely unaware of the fb deal)
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<coffee comes thru nose>
- Jeff (the メガマクダジ of FF)
LOL
- CW™
I hate recruiters
- Ivan Kirigin
Recruiters, gotta love em. Well, actually you don't.
- Eric @ CS Techcast
Haahah. That's a good one.
- Micah Wittman
You should reply and say, "Man if only you'd called me a couple of days ago I would have been able to do something with you. Now? Well, sorry, you just missed your chance."
- Kenton
wtf?
- kosmar
what fb deal???
- Gustaf
ha ha.. are they looking to give you a job or get you to hire them on behalf of FF.
- Bindu Reddy
Presumably they are offering their services to recruit staff for friendfeed. You're just an entry in a mail merge database, as far as they're concerned.
- DGentry
HAHAHAH That is epic!! tooooo funny :D
- Susan Beebe
LOL!
- Kol Tregaskes
Tell them you'd like a job at Facebook.
- Andrew C
All is well Paul....What's happening in FB...
- Symon Muchina Thuo
loled so hard.
- sridhars
There was a lot of chatter about the future of FriendFeed this weekend. The short answer is that the team is working on a couple of longer-term projects that will help bring FriendFeedy goodness to the larger world. Transformation is not the end. Consider this the chrysalis stage -- if all goes well, a beautiful butterfly will emerge :)
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What is transforming... FriendFeed, or the idea of FriendFeed?
- Christopher Galtenberg
Thanks for the update, Paul!
- Anne Bouey
THANK YOU!
- teh Dork Knight
Fabulous News :)
- Susan Beebe
Noticed the "leaked" Facebook UI screenshots and the groups blog post today, and both seem FriendFeed inspired: nice to see Facebook trying to bring the stuff we like about FriendFeed to a larger audience.
- Mark Trapp
To Robert Scoble: I told you so ;-)
- Jesse Stay
Sounds like they're adding some of FF's features to FaceBook. yay
- Internet's Tad
from fftogo
Mark - got link?
- Susan Beebe
Thanks Paul :)
- ashish
Devil is in the details: "couple of longer-term projects that will help bring FriendFeedy goodness to the larger world" == Facebook projects with FriendFeed-like elements == no work on FriendFeed itself.
- EricaJoy
Paul, FriendFeed rocks as Gmail does ;)
- Orlando Pozo
Thanks for the update, the more you communicate, the less we have to speculate.
- Peter Hoffmann
The fact that these improvements are coming to Facebook and not friendfeed will not sway those who like friendfeed but dislike Facebook.
- Alex Scoble
Thank you Paul for bringing "FriendFeed goodness to the larger world" -- THAT sounds awesome!!
- Susan Beebe
integration with facebook?
- Rocco Galluzzo
@Alex Scoble: That's true
- Jorge Escobar
I hope out of the chrysalis emerges an infested Kerrigan. That'd be awesome http://starcraft.wikia.com/wiki...
- Ivan Kirigin
Thanks Mark, much appreciated... I'll check those out
- Susan Beebe
+1 Ivan :)
- Benjamin Golub
But we knew this was the deal the moment the full details of the purchase of friendfeed by Facebook became public.
- Alex Scoble
Yeah, I don't give a crap about Facebook. I want to know about FriendFeed.
- Rochelle
Is it the interface people dislike about Facebook or the people they're friends with on Facebook? I can imagine being able to import all your subscribers from FriendFeed and have them in a separate group that doesn't interact with other groups you may have on Facebook.
- Cristo
sadly, no one with any power seems to care about FF anymore.
- Joe Silence is not dead
I'm glad to hear this. I prefer FriendFeed to Facebook any day of the week.
- Nathan Clayton
And the answer for me would be some of both. I have real life friends and family that I don't necessarily want to get into the same discussions with as I do with people here.
- Cristo
And there's your answer, Rochelle. friendwho? friendwhat now? Oh, you mean Facebook! (No I mean friendfeed) friendwho? (rinse, lather, repeat)
- Alex Scoble
there are some ui differences (and i tend to prefer friendfeed in those cases) but i have friended quite a few FF people in FB and the experience is remarkably similar in many ways.
- Jason Wehmhoener
Another big difference is I don't think you get the same FOAF interaction on Facebook as on FriendFeed.
- Cristo
yep
- Jason Wehmhoener
I hope my FaceBook peeps are ready for the FriendFeed firehose ... past experience would say that they're in for a shock.
- Crutis
Thanks for the transparency on the Friendfeed "ghost town" matter Paul. Much appreciated.
- Alex Knight
Thanks Paul... bring the special sauce to Facebook: http://blogs.zdnet.com/weblife...
- Andrew
I like the "chrysalis stage" analogy - sounds cool.... goes an looks for FF goodness butterfly!
- Susan Beebe
Good to know that FriendFeed still has some fight left; hope that translates into a viable and sustainable platform/utility for the masses (though I quite enjoy the close-knit, uber-geek community that it's become).
- Christian
I don't like the chrysalis analogy. The butterfly emerges from the chrysalis and buggers off leaving the shell. Of course, it might then also get eaten by a bird. Tweet, tweet.
- Mark H
Mark LOL nice, ... haha
- Susan Beebe
Note that he didn't say that FriendFeed.com was going away, only that they're diverted to bringing it to a much larger audience
- Jesse Stay
The problem is Scoble (Robert) and MG both just sent half of FriendFeed away so most of those that would benefit from this announcement won't even see it.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse, I didn't get that from Paul's comment. I read that some of the friendfeed ideas will be going into FB. I like that idea, but I still prefer FF to FB because of the different conversations here that I don't have with friends and family.
- Travis Koger
from iPhone
Yeah, Paul's statement won't help friendfeed. This will just either give people more reason to go to Facebook or find another service entirely.
- Alex Scoble
What Alex and Rochelle said. This sounds like a "we're bringing FF to Facebook" announcement, and I don't give a damn about Facebook. I want to know what's happening HERE. And Cristo, both, but more the interface. I care about the friends I've made here, and I'm connected with many of them now on Facebook as well, but I prefer to interact with them here, because I like it better.
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
Travis, he didn't say that - you read that, but he didn't say that. I'm willing to bet FriendFeed.com will not go away.
- Jesse Stay
As much as I agree about Scoble and MG driving people away, they have also effectively flush out some comment from the FF team.
- Travis Koger
from iPhone
Travis, there are better ways of getting the FF team to comment
- Jesse Stay
:( I quite liked the caterpillar.
- Nick Lothian
I think it's the opposite, the butterfly is becoming this crawling caterpillar :)
- Jorge Escobar
Oh I don't think FF will go away, and damn will hope it doesn't either!
- Travis Koger
from iPhone
What I do see is more Facebook integrated into the FriendFeed environment - I think that's a good thing
- Jesse Stay
The critical difference between Facebook and FriendFeed is the social model. With Facebook as it is today, you need to be mutual friends to see each others content. There is a "fan page" model but it is oriented toward "publishing/celebrity" rather than information sharing. FriendFeed has an asymmetric model like Twitter, where you can easily discover someone's content without any "friend" gesture whatsoever, and you can follow without friending. This makes the converation more discoverable, and useful..
- Adina Levin
Agree Adina.
- Travis Koger
from iPhone
If the integration is bringing public/asymmetric to Facebook, then it will be very useful indeed. If the integration is to add FriendFeed-style service integration into the symmetric/private Facebook model, it will be much less useful - it's more of the same - I'll be able to more easily share updates from youtube or last.fm or delicious to my friend network, but be unable to discover new people and infomation.
- Adina Levin
Adina: And unless Facebook goes radically toward that model, it won't suffice for me. I could not care less about their upcoming redesigns.
- Christopher A Carr
@Jesse - I can't see any sign that they are working on FriendFeed at all. All the indications are that the FF team is now working on Facebook, and only Facebook. That's great for Facebook, and I'm sure they will do wonderful work there. But don't delude yourself that FriendFeed is going to get anything more than critical fixes, and maybe the occasional thing done in someone's spare time.
- Nick Lothian
Butterflies look totally different than caterpillars and they also fly away
- Melanie Reed
Crickets chirping... is this site alive?? :)
- Christopher Galtenberg
+100 Adina. The things I like best about FriendFeed (easy content/people discovery, FoaF, asymmetrical following and being followed) are completely opposite to Facebook's core model. That's why as much as people keep talking about Facebook adding FF-like features, I don't see the REAL FF core features making it over, because the mindset is different.
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
I don't see this announcement as anything new, or as reassuring. We knew from the time of the acquisition that there would be would be some movement of FF capabilities into FB. The real question is whether this means absorption of FF into FB or attracting the FB user base into FF. The comment about "bring[ing] FriendFeedy goodness to the larger world" still leaves that question open.
- John (a.k.a. dendroica)
+1 everything Alex Scoble has said. Friendwhat? What's a feed? Who uses RSS anymore? We've got PubSubWTFOMGBBQ now!
- Mr. Gunn
Agree with Jandy on +100 Adina.
- Amy℠
Also, I agree with Jandy and Adina's comments.
- John (a.k.a. dendroica)
Nick, Paul just said they're working on other projects right now. That still doesn't mean FriendFeed is going away. I'm not deluding myself at all. I'm telling everyone else they're deluding themselves by assuming it's going away. All the FriendFeed team is still using FriendFeed, and Paul just tried to give us comfort not to worry. For some reason we all don't want to believe him. It's actually kind of amusing.
- Jesse Stay
I wonder what the powers that be mean by "FriendFeedy goodness"? Is it understood what WE like about it vs. FB?
- Amy℠
Paul - Wishing you all the best as you tend your new butterfly garden :) I'll be here to enjoy them!
- Susan Beebe
Jesse: "For some reason we all don't want to believe him." <-- Don't want to believe what? He didn't really say anything.
- Christopher A Carr
This is not the news that Friendfeed fans were looking for.
- Vezquex: God of FF
The issue isn't belief that they are going to do something. The question is what they are going to do, and whether that will continue the core value of FriendFeed, which is not just information aggregation but discoverability.
- Adina Levin
I know more about the "Last Days" and heaven than I know about what's going to happen to FriendFeed as we have come to know it than was given in your rather cryptic answer, Paul. :) And while that may not be a fair comparison (God actually gave details and signs), there is something definitely not forthcoming about your response. A person usually withholds details that affect another...
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- Melanie Reed
Melanie, in other words, Paul works for a technology company in Silicon Valley that doesn't disclose future features, products, and services until they are ready.
- Cristo
Hopefully this helps to quiet all of the "friendfeed is dying" talk. Because this thread proves ff is alive and well.
- Garin Kilpatrick
@Jesse - I read it differently to you. To me, Paul is saying "We are taking what we were working towards on FriendFeed, and trying to bring that goodness to a bigger audience". No one is claiming they are going to shut down FF.
- Nick Lothian
@Jesse - Want to make a bet on the number of new features added to FF before the end of the year?
- Nick Lothian
Cristo, to deliver some straightforward talk is not about giving away company details. If you have a product that is original and stands on its own, you don't need to refer to it as a "butterfly". Many companies even promote something new and upcoming especially to their loyal user base. It gives a signal. A proper one. It tells your users and future users enough so that they can make an informed decision about what they want to do instead of keeping them on tenderhooks
- Melanie Reed
"the chrysalis stage in most butterflies is one in which there is little movement" (via wikipedia) So if you follow that metaphor then eventually FriendFeed will go through a metamorphosis -- that means it's not dead... really how hard can it be to get what he's saying?
- Chris Heath
Its pretty hard :) The burning question is if they are putting FF goodness in to the walled gardens that are Facebook or are they bringing FF openness to FB too. I think the people here want the open forums that are FF not the closed ones that are FB. If FB is going hybrid with both walled gardens and open forums that would be OK too. People on FF want open forums... like Twitter and FF... without the crude interface that is Twitter and without the uncertainty that is FF now.
- Ed Millard
Facebook is gonna have to rip off much of the privacy to maximize their product in the real-time web world. I am going to assume FF goodness is going to be applied to FB :) *crosses fingers*
- Susan Beebe
Just a thought... why does "longer-term projects that will help bring FriendFeedy goodness to the larger world" JUST mean facebook.com? What I get from this is that they are working on a range of things, maybe bringing the FriendFeed sauce to a range of sites, powered by the Facebook back end. Who knows what that means. A FriendFeed service powered by FacebookConnect? Also to......
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- Johnny Worthington
LMFAO. Johnny++
- Rahsheen ™, Coach of FF
FB needs to leave the privacy for the walled garden and the inner circle. Their current user base likes that. They just need a second feed that is an open forum and you can talk there without it bleeding in to your inner circle feed.
- Ed Millard
Seems like the inner circle is breaking down some now, what with parents and other relatives friending teenagers. I'm guessing the information posted on the walls these days is not as private. Is there a way on FriendFeed to limit what on your wall can be seen by particular people and groups?
- Cristo
Yes, but blocking doesn't work so well since you can just use Chrome's Incognito mode to get around it.
- Alex Scoble
Translation: if you haven't switche to Facebook yet, you better do it now so you can get a good vanity URL.
- David Chartier
from iPhone
I don't know what all the fuss is about. But could we have the long answer too, please?
- Laura Norvig
Although I'm interested, FB != FF. I don't see how the two mix in a way that makes me feel otherwise. Mixing audiences is not a good thing for me (with a few exceptions) and I know others share the same thought.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Did anyone notice that Robert Scoble didn't comment on this thread? What does this mean? Does it mean Robert Scoble won't exist soon? He must be working on a Monday afternoon, no? ;)
- Cristo
Paul, will FF be here in 1 year, 5 years?
- Robert Higgins
Robert, will you and I be alive in 5 years?
- Cristo
Thanks for the update Paul..
- Chris Myles
Cristo I am funking nobody, I would like Paul to quantify his post. Simple. Will FF be here in 1 year? Will FF be here in 5 years?
- Robert Higgins
Robert, I was trying to make the point that he might not know and can't predict what will happen over time.
- Cristo
IMO friendfeed shoud attract more general audience... Facebook and twitter are having more general users. Most of the FF users are tech bloggers or those who needs aggregation services... I dont know it's just my feeling or not . but this is my impression on FF. but it's great service.. the features are too good... but we will roam were we meet our friends... thats most of the people are into twitter and FB.
- Sarath
Sarath, is there a place you can get away from tech bloggers? :)
- Cristo
Ohhhh a perrrttty butterfly, I'm moist with anticipation.
- sofarsoShawn
Glad to hear it, Paul.
- WorldofHiglet
Cristo: i almost made the same observation an hour or two ago when i first read through this posting and its comments. I was skimming and kept seeing alex, alex, alex... and thinking to myself... where's Robert!?!
- Chris Heath
Great news. Thanks! friendfeed team. :D
- Bicentennial (Franc)
@Sarath - I have a lot more in common with the people I've met here on FriendFeed than FB or Twitter. Twitter is too hard to search, and FB (and Twitter to a good extent) is driven by the people you know in RL (and unfortunately I don't have nearly as much in common in RL with my family, co-workers and acquaintences as I do with people scattered all over the world who I have met on FF)....
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- Her Lindsay-ness
I think that in his cryptic statement he means, and a lot of people here agree with me, that more Facebook's going to get more FriendFeedy. Which doesn't mean that FF still isn't dead or doomed. After all, he works for Facebook now. FriendFeed=open forum, Facebook=walled garden, totally opposite master metaphors; but I don't think Zuckerberg gets it, and FF belongs to Zuckerberg now. So this is really about FB; FF's still in limbo. Still, some FF people friended me at FB, and I put them in a special list.
- Dennis Jernberg
@FF-team keep on rocking :). BTW I also think it's really cool you guys open-sourced tornado.
- alfred westerveld
+1 what alfred said, and good to hear words like "longer-term" & "beautiful" coming straight from The Walrus - keep that vision strong. Hope all goes well for FF team doing some good re-inventing the Octopus Garden of FB - seems you've got your work cut out for you there! It would be so nice if any way to keep a "simple & pure" form of FriendFeed alive (maintained and developed - more open source?) for us to enjoy, but no worries .... you've simultaneously raised the bar and paved the way for the rest!
- Dan Freeman
Good luck with the development Paul! Hopefully Zuck has some positive insight.
- Garin Kilpatrick
I like butterflies.
- Harold Cabezas
Paul: If someone offered me a bag of money to do what you guys did, I would have done exactly the same (probably a lot faster too). However, it would be nice if you spent an hour answering some of the questions here. It might also give people like me a little more faith, in what used to be your primary project; Friendfeed. You made the best platform on the planet - why not use it to let us know what the heck's going on?
- Jim Connolly
I'm assuming that Facebook wants to keep their roadmap quiet. I respect that but leaving you community in the dark for a brand that the applications stand for community building is rather ironic.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
SUPER!! I don't Blame ya 1 Darn bit fer Dumpin' FacePOOP Paul!! ;PPP Wait FacePOOP is the Maggot Stage!! ;))
- Billy Warhol
If I can still have all my friends that I have here on friendfeed and share things with them the exact same way, I don't care what "www" address I have to type in to get it. I just hope i don't have to give up any of FF's awesome features! Thanks for the update Paul!
- David Cook
The problem is I don't know whether to wrote an app on your API or not because i'm not sure whether it will all be dropped in the "transformation". Imagine speding late nights and weekends coding something up only for it to be dropped suddenly. Need a decent long term picture. Looking at Cliqset.
- Steven Livingstone-Pérez
Good point Steven - and one of the reasons many of us are spending so little time developing our networks here.
- Jim Connolly
waiting....
- ffcode
ffcode: Good luck with that ;-)
- Jim Connolly
So the changes are at Facebook not FriendFeed, Paul?
- Kol Tregaskes
And good luck to all of your team
- Ozkan Altuner
from iPhone
This is a truly disappointing/concerning post and I think it would have been much better to hold comment until something more tangible could be discussed. Thanks for adding to the confusion/drama Paul.
- Nicholas Kreidberg
yemezler
- MobilAdam
I do care about what happens next, but this is the best news of the day nonetheless ! thanks for giving us updates at last ! and I do hope FF will awaken again ! such a great tool, but letdown since the announcement of the buyback by FB
- laetSgo
will I see this post in my "best of week" email from FF?
- Kirill Bolgarov
If Facebook is going to get fixed, please remember that it needs fixing politically, not just technically. It needs to give people the option to open their data to Google - for instance. A walled garden where the walls are fixed in place sucks.
- Tim Tyler
@Paul, or perhaps an Alien will erupt forth from its stomach? (kidding, kidding!)
- j1m
AWESOME: Emigre releases 'Mr. Eaves', a sans-serif companion to Mrs. Eaves. - http://www.emigre.com/EFfeatu...
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I've previously listed Mrs. Eaves as one of my very favorite type families ever and I'm thrilled to have a sans-serif companion font!
- Kevin Fox
from Bookmarklet
Love mrs. Eaves. Caint wait to meet the mr!
- Jenna Bilotta
from Android
Stevey's Blog Rants: Good Agile, Bad Agile - http://steve-yegge.blogspot.com/2006...
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""This nickel-a-line-of-code gig is lame. You know where the real money is at? You start your own religion." And that's how both Extreme Programming and Scientology were born."
- Bret Taylor
From 2006, but just read it today. So many classic lines...
- Bret Taylor
"Norvig’s writeup is a short essay explaining about 100 lines of Python that can solve any Sudoku. Jeffries [inventor of XP] writeup, by contrast, is spread over five lengthy blog postings here, here, here, here, and here and ends without coming anywhere close to actually producing a program that can solve any but a tiny subset of all Sudoku problems." http://www.gigamonkeys.com/blog...
- Bret Taylor
This is so bizarre. A Sudoku board is a 9x9 grid of integers. Most basic brute force solvers can easily solve any Sudoku game. The Siebel guy talks about the representation problem as if it were some sort of question where it's reasonable that serious working programmers would have any trouble at all representing it. Hello. NINE BY NINE ARRAY. And yes, Python has two dimensional arrays: you just make an array of arrays. (Norvig's hash table is also fine, mind you.)
- ⓞnor
A cat is fine, too.
- Jim Norris
But yeah, it's the difference between writing code and solving problems.
- Jim Norris
ⓞnor, it wasn't a serious working programmer, it was some kind of TDD consultant :)
- Paul Buchheit
The Norvig vs TDD guy story is hilarious btw.
- Paul Buchheit
Funny, just the other day my friend George and I were making fun of TDD nuts. While I'm all for unit tests, it doesn't make sense to write them before you know what the code will do yet!
- Gabe
I think maybe some people are just drawn to absolutes. If something is sometimes good, then it must always be good and is the only true and right way.
- Paul Buchheit
"I think maybe some people are just drawn to absolutes." That's absurd, and I categorically disagree. Those people are absolute morons.
- Jim Norris
Paul, I remember discussing this post with you back when he wrote it, and wondering what Steve has against pair programming. I now do most of my coding with a partner, and spend a lot less time debugging than before. It's great to code review as you type -- it saves tons of testing, debugging, refactoring, and redesigning.
- Gabe
OMG... that norvig code makes me so happy in my face. <3 <3 <3
- ௸ (k2g)
I am not an expert on agile programming, but I had always thought that a big part of it was to start coding as soon as possible, instead of spending days writing up specifications. Stevey mentions that design documents are taken very seriously at google.
- Robert Felty
/2006/09/ - that's ages back then...
- A.T.
With FriendFeed dying, maybe we should all move over to Jaiku. It looks pretty spiffy.
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that's mean! :D
- pea ♥ fierce as a woozle
Migrate-schmigrate. I just unpacked.
- Michael Markman
Amazed again by the power of these words when on a customer service call: "I, too, am recording this call for quality assurance purposes."
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It’s Google Wave Mania Day! - http://smarterware.org/3528...
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McKinsey did a study for AT&T in the 80's about cell phones. Prediction: 1M units in US by 2000. Actual: 109M. Forcasting is hard.
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A couple of things spring to mind 1) Moores law wasn't common knowledge back then. 2) People's desire to get laid means they will use any means of communication at their disposal.
- James Robertson
Reminds me of Thomas Watson's (IBM) forecast that there was demand for 5 computers (mainframes) in the world.
- Larry Hawes
They forgot multiplication ;)
- ashish
A million people then is about as much as 109 million is today. It's all in the exchange rates...
- Mike Lewis
You can get teensy toy r/c helicopters for $20 now, right?
- Andrew C
LOL @ Mike Lewis
- Oblomov
Thanks for the laugh, Mike
- MiniMage, sheeple of FF
Wow! @dalmaer + @bgalbs of Ajaxian/Mozilla are joining Palm to work on the Open, Mobile Web! http://almaer.com/blog...
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Dropbox Reaches 2 Million Users; Continues to Grow - http://www.techcrunch.com/2009...
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Can't wait to read this 32-page magazine the U.S. Postal Service sent me, unsolicited, about direct marketers going green.
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Oh, the irony....
- Roberto Bonini
from iPhone
hmm. i think this was a retweet, but the original source no longer shows up in FF.
- Jenna Bilotta
ah, that would explain all the new Tweets from Evan
- Jesse Stay
Weird. You can still click through on the "Twitter" text next to "Comment" to see where it came from, but there's certainly no evidence of a retweet.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
My reply went to @badbanana. Not @ev. Strange that.
- Roberto Bonini
from iPhone
This reflects a recent change that Twitter made in terms of how they're sending us information. We'll make the necessary updates soon. Thanks for your patience.
- Ana
Handwriting Tips Penmanship (forget cursive) - http://www.nytimes.com/interac...
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"The Palmer method and subsequent 20th-century methods were based on an ornate style that was difficult to learn and broke down under pressure. The loops and curlicues of Palmer and other similar methods obscure legibility. For good reason, one rarely finds looped cursive in print media or computer fonts. ... But there is hope. We can stop mumbling on the page and become legible writers by turning to a style that existed long before Palmer rendered our world illegible. We can embrace letterforms born in the Italian Renaissance. We can go italic."
- Paul Buchheit
That's how I write already! I had to change from Palmer to Italic in high school because I didn't have a typewriter (pre-computer era); our papers had to be typed or handwritten in italic.
- Anne Bouey
Nice article. It actually makes me want to grab a piece of that ruled paper to slowly trace out the letters. I find that my handwriting is best when it's all caps. I wonder if I can change that?
- Todd Lloyd
I think I might play with this some this weekend. Printable PDF here: http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images...
- Michael Leggett
My mother has beautiful penmanship. I even found a book about it last year and gave it to her. Mine was always ok (Can you tell I went to Catholic school yet?) but it started to go awry when I started having to write in Palm PIlot.
- Cathleen Rittereiser
Oddly enough, I've been writing like this for ages. I like joining some letters, but doing so constantly and with loops always seemed strange and ornate.
- Joel Webber
The amazing thing to note in this article is how easy it is to read letters when only the top half of the line is visible (and how impossible it is to read when only the bottom half is visible).
- Mike Koss
RT @nytimeskristof "Sen. Kennedy has died. I hope his legacy will be passage this year of a health reform that provides universal care."
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Yeah but Mass. Democrats are now upset that they passed law to keep Romney from appointing new Senator to replace Kerry and now must have an election!
- Stephan Romeo
That's why such laws, based on the political situation of the moment, are utterly stupid. Any law passed in a panic due to the politics of the moment is usually a worthless (or worse) law.
- Trent Hamm
So D's in Mass are upset that their party passed a law to make sure that the R's could not replace Ted with a Republican.OMG! Here in Delaware a similar law is OK because the Democrat Gov replaced the D senator with a D.
- gerald miller
Ted Kennedy was a pig. a murderess pig.
- John Hillestad
Camelot Lives!!! Oburkel has been anointed the "last" Kennedy brother by the Great MSNBC Apostle Chris Matthews.
- Don Smith
Steve Urkel is the last Kennedy brother?
- Fleagle
He's our President, isn't he?
- Don Smith
I'd rather hope his death is the death of socialist designs on our health care system.
- Cameron W. Gilchrist
Yeah, some really nice comments here. Hope you are happy with your life.
- SAL
I'm happy with mine, so far. I'm 66. If we get OburkelCare, and if I should get brain cancer as Teddy did, you think I might be able to get care equal to what he got for the last year of his life? My brother is 73. He had a stroke and now requires 24-hour care in a Nursing home. You think he would get care equal to what Teddy got under OburkelCare? Wake up, dunderheads! The answer is NO!!!!!!
- Don Smith
Plus, my Father-in-Law is 92. Do you think he'd be getting the care equal to what he's getting now under OburkelCare? NO WAY. I'm with Rush. I hope Oburkle fails! Oburkle fails, America WINS!!!!
- Don Smith
what a worthless thread of comments....
- Chris Heath
It's not worthless to me, my brother and father-in-law.
- Don Smith
how so? please enlighten me
- Chris Heath
Because we have "skin in the game?" Get a brain, Chris.
- Don Smith
don't we all have 'skin in the game'? and thanks for the advice, but i'd like to keep the brain i have
- Chris Heath
This is a good thread to mine for blocks. Thanks.
- Steve Gillmor
from iPhone
Boy the idiots are really out in force tonight. Must be a fool moon.
- Dave Winer
Don - Teddy had the US senate Plan you should only wish for such but fess up Don you're on Medicare just like me YOUR ON SOCIALISM hard core Social Security and Medicare Omigod you're on Obama care already
- WarLord
The House and Senate need to either cover all of us for at least checkups (preventive care is cheaper than curative care) or they should lose their own gold-plated Cylon-grade health care.What did it cost taxpayers to keep Teddy Kennedy alive for as long as he lasted?
- Steven W. Kelly
Steven in reality the best alternative would be to take the eligible age off Medicare. Everybody under an excellent paln that seniors even Republicans love. The plan becomes solvent as soon as somebody besides old fucks like me are paying premiums
- WarLord
Chris, it's your call. Good luck.
- Don Smith
Hey Don I renew my question: your 73 yo brother Medicare? Your 92 yo Father in law Medicare? And you 66 Medicare and all three Social Security - all in the senior socialism So the Obamacare thing its just posturing... ;)
- WarLord
WarLord -- Yes, I'm on Social Security. I probably won't live long enough to even get back what I paid in for over 50 years, though. If good old Uncle Sam had just put my money into a savings account at a modest interest rate, instead of raiding the system for extra spending money, I'd be a multi-millionaire today. Hope it works out better for you. Sorry, but I don't participate in...
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- Don Smith
Don I freely admit I'm on Social Security and Medicare plus my union plan as secondary, I have great care by excellent doctors and despite expensive tests, drugs and surgeries I'm living well in my own house. As for the Soc Sec thing you drew out all you paid in in 3 years the rest is gravy btw with Obamacare you could have your own insurance but you want to know a secret I've learned...
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- WarLord
WarLord, sorry I mis-read your first post. I didn't catch it that you're already enjoying the benefits of socialism, too. Surely you know, though, that there isn't any "gravy" in Social Security. Like I said, if what we paid in would have been invested with just a modest return on our money, we'd be millionaires now. I see you're panting for OburkelCare, though. Just wait and see how...
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- Don Smith
Don couple things: Defined benefit beats defined contribution every time esp after the market takes a shit. Seriously thats why compnies dumped you on your asses with those shitty 401ks. Medicare is a good plan be better as soon as the for profit guys get kicked best outcome medicare for everybody so that some young well people pay premiums but insurance companies understand controlling...
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- WarLord
Wow, late to the party, but Don, small fact to point out: when your wife retires, you absolutely WILL have a choice. The same choice the other members of your family have now. You can go out into the free market and buy it retail, just like Rush wants you to. Rates can be difficult to find,online, but Oregon state seems to require it, so I found one for you. Your brothers can go ahead...
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- Don Wood
WarLord -- As of right now, I really can't give a difinitive answer to your "challenge". I do know that H.R. 3200, the thousand-page monster currently being considered in the House, should be totally scrapped, and BOTH major parties should take the next 13 months to study the problems with the current system and then write maybe five or six different reform bills to deal with the...
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- Don Smith
And now for Don Wood -- Don't patronize me, my man. I'm no hypocrite, and I'm not an idiot, either. I've never said we ought to kill Medicare nor Social Security. At least if I have, I was having another Transient Ischemic Attack. I have said that Social Security and Medicare are not sustainable, and have criticized the government's administration of both programs. Both are broke and...
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- Don Smith
I'm not patronizing you, I'm calling you flat out wrong and a hypocrite. And I stand by that. As I pointed out, your family absolutely DOES have a choice, but you have all chosen to use a New Deal program, which also happens to be the health care program most highly regarded by its clients. Private Insurance companies, on the other hand, are consistently rated the worst industry by...
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- Don Wood
To pump your left fist against Government Health Care while your right hand scoops deep in the public kitty is indeed hypocrisy. In fact, as someone who does buy their own insurance retail, pays self-employment tax on top of the rest of the taxes, and will be doing both for another 23-to-who knows-how-long years, I'd say "Hypocrisy" is a mild term. Having your cake and eating it too, while smugly anti-cake...no, you are no dummy.
- Don Wood
As T. R. Reid said, we have right now the HARDEST form of rationing in the industrialized world - 20,000 a year DIE because they can't get the care they need. Senate needs to pass Public Option with 51 votes if necessary and make Republicans choke on it. To hell with compromising with these heartless morons. Ram it through just like Shrub did with Medicare D I say.
- heretic_twit
Strange ... I don't recall having a choice about participating in the "New Deal program" of which you speak. I always paid half of the premiums and my employers always paid the other half. It was automatically deducted from my pay checks. I didn't realize it was voluntary. I don't recall having a choice about participating in the Medicare program, either. It, too, was automatically...
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- Don Smith
heretic_twit -- Dang it, because of your brilliance, I'm now going to have to double my charitable giving to 30 percent of gross income every month so I don't feel guilty about being one of them "heartless morons!" Dang it! ... BTW, how much are you kicking in to help those less fortunate? Just curious.
- Don Smith
No Don, you are not thinking straight. Or perhaps you actually do not understand how those programs were set up. You said above "they use YOUR premiums to pay MY benefits." Why, yes Don, they do, just as the system was set up from the beginning. Those funds taken from your paycheck, when you were working (and from me now) were not premiums, or investments, were never meant to be. Those...
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- Don Wood
I have no problem with a public option, and I have no problem with government providing services. I do have a problem with forcing people to get insurance at the barrel of a (income tax based) gun, and I think that calling the current bill "health care reform" when it does not address health, care, or indeed reform anything is disingenuous at best. The current bill is not a health care...
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- Otto
Typical for the left to use his passing as a PR effort for this bill. You think health care is bad now, just wait until it's "free". Government has no business providing insurance for people, keep government out of it. Anyways, people don't want it, look at how bad Obama's poll numbers are.
- Spencer
Guys, this isn't the time or the place. There are plenty of forums for the healthcare debate. How about a little respect for the passing of a great man?
- Fleagle
great man ? A drunk , murderer is a great man ? he was a pig.
- John Hillestad
Hey Spenscer szy it with mer Nine One One, yep the right used a building filled with death to win elections... pit kettle much
- WarLord
Boy I hope not.
- Greg DiSisto
Well, I tried. It's always my hope that Friendfeed doesn't become a haven for hate-comments, but you can't win 'em all. Deleting this thread and hoping Leo doesn't attract more of the same in future posts.
- Fleagle
To Don Wood -- No, the Social Security program was not originally set up as it is now. It was set up as a social INSURANCE program funded through DEDICATED payroll taxes. Remember FICA? It stands for Federal Insurance Contributions Act. There are several other TRUST programs that were added through the years. Congress didn't start raiding the funds for other uses and dropping all those...
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- Don Smith
I'm going to go converse with my dining room table.
- Don Wood
Don Wood -- You converse with your dining room table? That explains a lot. Ask your dining room table what it thinks about these latest polls, Obama: Strongly Approve 30%; Strongly Disapprove 41%.. Approval Index: -11 ... Total approval falls to new low at 46%. 29% confident that Congress knows what it's doing when it comes to the economy; 67% are not. If Americans could vote to keep or...
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- Don Smith
RT @andyroddick "i think its lame the US Open is trying to regulate our tweeting.. i understand the on-court issue but not sure they can..."
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Fwd: Ultra-Sleek 5-Inch Android Tablet Looks Like Giant iPod Touch - Rockchip RK2809 - Gizmodo - http://gizmodo.com/5346010... (via http://friendfeed.com/cacarr...)
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Dilbert today: "I judge potential mates by their cell phone apps. Hand it over." http://www.dilbert.com/strips...
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I still use Blogger and I love it. Great product!
- Eric Geller
Evernote User Forum • View topic - Evernote for Android, 1.0 Beta 1 available for testing - http://forum.evernote.com/phpbb...
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The Android app doesn't store any notes locally, is it the same for the iPhone? I wish it would have sync'd to the SD card, so I could access my notes offline. This kind of makes Evernote pretty limited for a work environment.
- Matthew DeVries
it's a start, but it needs some work. really it's just a pretty front-end for the mobile site, from what i can tell. is this the way the iPhone app works too?
- Trent Olson
The iPhone app is definitely more than a front-end to the mobile site.
- Kevin Whalen
You can store notes on the iPhone in the Evernote app by marking them as favourites. I'd agree with Kevin, it's a lot more than just a front-end to the site...
- Brad Brooks
one thing i was hoping a native app would fix would be reading documents scanned as images on the phone. using the mobile site, scanned docs are completely unreadable.
- Trent Olson
It makes me so happy that every time I open Reader, I see new friends and followers and new comments. It's been blowing up! So great! :D
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You guys have done an awesome job... seriously!
- Peter du Toit (S.Africa)
It really is growing - what a great tool.
- Gary Walter (gwalter)
That's mean reader is the next thing, and it became better in the last improvements.
- Avi Joseph
scottkarp: I'm sorry Twitter search is a joke. Can't search further back then a few weeks. It's not just about real-time, it's a permanent record. - http://twitter.com/scottka...
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could not agree more...why I have never actually used their search.
- Braden Douglass
Maybe they could acquire a third party search service...
- Ken Sheppardson
Maybe they could just start taking this shit seriously?
- Andy Bakun
my tweets have disappeared off the public search timeline since the DoS attacks. Twitter's a free service and customer service reflects it...
- Sherrie Rose
Twitter has been a joke for two years. Problem is too many people enjoy using it. It's a shame people didn't move away from twitter. Pity for those people.
- Richard A.
Totally agreed. I had a personal hash-tag for so many tweets just so that I could maintain some records.All are gone now :(
- Sujay
Despite all the problems I do like that I can narrow my search geographically. That is something I wish I could do with FriendFeed. I would also like to search for new friends geographically.
- Skyler Call
Question: Why would anybody need to search twitter back more than a couple of weeks? I don't see how Tweets hold any value for that long. Do you save all your SMS Text messages too?
- Otto
Otto wins! If it's something worth saving, blog it, or put it somewhere that's yours, not Twitter's, or Tumblr's or anyone else's. Oye...
- Mike Lewis
Why are you sorry that a product you're not responsible for is a joke?
- Trent Hamm
If Twitter does come up with a good search functionality, then I want the ability to purge my tweets after some period of time. I don't want my messages being permanent records.
- Otto
What Twitter did to their search earlier in the Spring was a huge surprise to me as I used it regularly. The changes they made did not raise much of a huff then, so my read was that few people understand and make use of these search capabilities. While the friendfeed search has room for growth which we may not see now with the buyout, it is clearly one of the main reasons I decided to make this my social media home.
- Richard Reeve
Once in a while I think to myself how much data does the Internet want to keep, and why does it matter. Wouldn't it be better if there was a national library online that wasn't putting a load on the Internet from keeping so much useless data (which Twitter mostly has, BTW...)
- David Libby
My sense is that the dross is an inevitable by product, and what one might consider dross might be valuable to another for very different reasons, some of which we might not even recognize yet. Regardless of the system, I'm for archiving the entire unfolding transcript...
- Richard Reeve
Is FF search really much better? Trying to find things older than a few days or weeks is damn near impossible.
- Brian Sullivan
Brian, while FF only returns about 630 or items back, once you apply searches by keyword, that is more than enough to get you back all the way to the beginning of your Twitter, etc. record kept within FF. And that is the value, Otto, that before you could use Twitter as a very handy, "self-tagging" (by way of your tweet context) bookmark repository, etc. Sometimes you do want to find out what (specific) people said during a given conference, during a major event, sentiment trends over time, etc. etc.
- Alex Schleber
@Otto42, agreed that you should be able to opt out for privacy reasons, then again, you already sort of can by protecting your updates (granted that won't get your old tweets out of Twitter Search & FF, etc. databases).
- Alex Schleber
Eulogy to _why - http://ejohn.org/blog...
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Its a sad day for the Ruby community.
- brian
Open-Source group announces jJava - http://codetojoy.blogspot.com/2008...
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hahhaha... that is excellent
- Jeremy Zawodny
BTW Google Appengine is awesome. Overage due to being techcrunched was like a dollar.
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Obviously I can't provide a lot of detailed plans and guarantees, but I can tell you that I'll do my personal best to ensure that the FriendFeed users and community are treated right. I love this product too, and don't want to see it disappear.
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That's great to read!
- Diego Barros
Thank you, Paul.
- joey
:)
- Internet's Tad
I hope so.
- Mathew™ one of a kind
Good of you to recognize.
- Bill Kinney
Thank you, Paul. Hearing something is always better than hearing nothing =)
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
I think this was a smart move fore FF and FB
- Joe Hall
What about the service?
- Amit Morson
Ok
- Matthew DeVries
That's a start. Thanks for reaching out.
- Brian Daniel Eisenberg
Thanks Paul.
- sean percival
Thanks Paul
- Mike Doeff
We don't want it to go either.
- Yolanda
I would not expect any less from such a cool guy like you, thanks! :)
- Susan Beebe
from iPhone
Please keep it going for as long as you can or until you can make Facebook actually work.
- AJ Kohn
That's heartening, Paul. Thanks.
- Anika
Thanks Paul!
- Darren Heydon
We love you guys and FriendFeed.. we are just a little hurt and worried.. just please give us details as soon as possible.
- Tim Hoeck
FriendFeed lets me use people as filters to turn data into information. Facebook doesn't. Until it does, please, Please, PLEASE keep FriendFeed as a destination alive.
- AJ Kohn
congrats guys! facebook needs what you got!
- Lorna Herf
I'm sorry that I haven't said more about this. As you can imagine, it has been an extraordinarily busy day (and I've barely slept in the past week).
- Paul Buchheit
I'll add my plea to the chorus: Please don't take FriendFeed away from us. And don't make us go to Facebook (because we won't). FriendFeed means a lot to a lot of people and the thought that it will dry up and blow away shortly is very disturbing.
- Her Lindsay-ness
It's still great to hear from you Paul. Congrats on that new swimming pool full of cash. :D
- Internet's Tad
Simply glad you're here now. You've always been a very responsive and transparent team. As much as I cringe at the thought of FF going away, I *am* happy for you and the team.
- AJ Kohn
Thanks Paul.
- John (a.k.a. dendroica)
Thank you kind sir.
- Andrew Smith
I request you make it to the next scheduled FFundercats podcast to talk to the community. This announcement deserves a live appearance to the community.
- Eric @ CS Techcast
Have been dealing unsucessfully with Twitter for two days, trying to get logged in...Their password reset page says"Snap we can't find you." I keep writing to Tech Support at Twitter and get their helpful auto-generated Twitter Trouble shooting email. My problem is not there. =( Hope FriendFeed does not get that blaise about helping users. @EV
- SashaKane
If FB can't keep the service running, would you consider open-sourcing the thing, so we can?
- Christopher Galtenberg
from iPhone
Hi Paul, thanks for the assurances. In the future, I would highly suggest that you make this sort of statement shortly after the initial merger release. Thanks again.
- Alex Scoble
Thanks for keeping the passion!
- Shane
Nice to hear Paul. Thanks.
- Mark Krynsky
I would like to give you a hug right now Paul. However, that would be awkward and April might beat me up so I will just say thank you and press the like button.
- EricaJoy
Best news I have heard today.
- Angus Burton
Thank you for affirming that. Much appreciated.
- Karoli
A few more points that would be nice to have addressed soon. Ability to export data, tool to import friends to Facebook, and will ff.im urls continue to function?
- Mark Krynsky
Amelioration??
- heretic_twit
Those that like friendfeed as is should be most pleased with this statement, as it probably means maintenance to keep the current system as is, without as much attention to new features. It's also good news for all those who like both friendfeed and facebook, as facebook will likely adopt the better features from friendfeed
- Ivan Kirigin
That means an awful lot to me.
- James (!?)
This has been quite a day! Can't wait to hear what is next!
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Thank you, Paul. Thank you for coming out from behind the curtain and finally giving us some communication, some semblance of hope.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Thanks, Paul.
- Glen Campbell
So we can expect a Facebook adaption of this? I like this technology over everyone else!
- Shaggy Jenkins
Eric, my schedule is still a little uncertain at the moment, but I'd be glad to appear on a future FFundercats.
- Paul Buchheit
That would be a good thing Paul. Thanks.
- Eric @ CS Techcast
Cool :)
- Susan Beebe
from iPhone
Thanks for making FriendFeed what it is, and lets hope it stays that way, though there's slim chance of that
- Aaman (Clone of FF)
Now that I think about it: are you kidding me? They've already stated that FriendFeed's going to be absorbed into Facebook. What kind of sleight-of-hand are you trying to pull now, Paul?
- Akiva Moskovitz
@EricaJoy: I have nothing against hugs. :)
- April Buchheit
Thanks!
- Vincenzo Piromalli
Thanks, Paul. I've been getting more and more depressed thinking about the bad ways this could go. The reassurances help a bit, at least. In fact, just hearing you speak on the point is encouraging - the open lines of communication between the FriendFeed team and its users has always been one of the great things about FriendFeed that I'm afraid will be lost with the Facebook buyout. And yes, a FFundercats appearance would be a great idea.
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
I don't want to read too much into this reassurance but the "personal best" remark made me think like there is not a united FF anymore and that it's up to your personal efforts to prevent it from being eaten by FB :)
- Turker Keskinpala
you can sell the tech but the community can not be bought sold transferred or merged
- Robert Higgins
from f2p
Turker, I do believe that this deal was the right decision -- I'll write a bit more about that when I get a chance. I say that I'll do my "personal best" because I will -- it would be misleading to make promises on other's behalf :)
- Paul Buchheit
Hoping so... practicing patience
- Majento
Paul: I'm hopeful that this will be the best for both Facebook and Friendfeed. What you and the staff at FF have done is amazing, with only 12 people! I love the service here. I also enjoy Facebook (one I ignore all quizzes and stupid apps), but in a different way. Hoping some coolness can be brought to both. Good luck to you and your team!
- Travis B. Hartwell
this echoes star wars galaxies, incredible unique community. but they upgraded it to be like world of warcraft. this is a replay of the devs soothing messages. the forums were livid the community evaporated.
- Robert Higgins
from f2p
When socialmedian was acquired by Xing they left it alone. I hope the same happens here. I'm sure you will do your best though!
- Michael Fidler
On behalf of the Dutch citizens our Queen wants to let you know: Thx Paul.
- Ton Zijp
Don't know what to say, so lets start with big congrats! from one hand, as an early member of Friendfeed I think we've created here a very cool, collaborative and tech-savvy/passionate community of great people that all probably wish to stick around as much as possible. From the other hand, I know how corporates work and it takes one small decision of share holders to close Friendfeed...
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- Nir Ben Yona
My first reaction is disappointment. I don't believe big corporations do better than small ones. Facebook is inferior to FriendFeed, although it's user base is much larger. Clearly FriendFeed won't survive in the long term, unless it is open sourced. Why not open up and embrace the wonders of the GPL instead of joining forces with the Walled Garden no #1? Facebook don't even operate with permalinks,.
- Morten Blaabjerg
Thanks for the explanation Paul. Of course, I congratulate you guys. I think anyone would do the same thing if they were in your shoes :)
- Turker Keskinpala
Very bittersweet clicking [Like] on this one.
- Nicholas Kreidberg
A big congrats for you guys.. However, I feel kind of sorrow :)
- Ozkan Altuner
good to hear
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
Thank you - but I would very much like our content to stay intact. :)
- Mona Nomura
Have I missed something. Why that speech... I mean thanks, but is Friendfeed in danger somwhow?
- Ryo / Fuck Facebook
Of course it is, Ryo.
- Christopher A Carr
I iread it. Literally Friendfeed is dead. Privacy, security and the owner of facebook sucks, and so will FF now. But what's with my data now? When I delete my account, are my postings deleted, too? Can I backup my postings somehow?
- Ryo / Fuck Facebook
Ryo: if you delete your account everything goes away. I totally disagree with you about Facebook, but that's OK.
- Robert Scoble
Good to hear. Unfortunately I think Facebook are going to download the brains of all FriendFeed staff then kill FF.
- Michael McGimpsey
but Paul it is going to disappear - Facebook bought FF not for the site but for you guys. So obviously once its integrated into Facebook, development on FF will stop
- Anthony Feint
If FriendFeed and all of it's functionality get integrated into Facebook I'm all for it.
- Hugh Isaacs II
Thank you Paul! Congrats on the deal!
- Garin Kilpatrick
Paul - that's great news. It surely can't cost a lot to keep this place running and it's a good place to try out ideas before they move to FB.
- Martin Bryant
what about improving the product and making sure it gets more users, not only supports those who stay?
- Ihar Mahaniok
Ihar - unlikely. Facebook bought FF for the developer talent, not for FriendFeed itself.
- Martin Bryant
from iPhone
Why should we believe this? I'm not going to hold my breath.
- Mark Wilson
Martin - I also think so, and it is most likely. But I could still have a hope
- Ihar Mahaniok
Paul, please - underpromise & overdeliver...they say it works.
- A.T.
Nice to hear. Too bad you don't call the shots anymore.
- jcunwired
FriendFeed is Dead! Long Live FriendFeed! (nice name for Facebook skunkworks) I'm sure everyone would love to see FriendFeed itself stay around, even if the innovations that happen are geared towards implementation at Facebook. Thanks for this note Paul! :)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
There are a few promises and guarantees that you SHOULD be able to provide. Like, that our network of friends will remain intact and that the features that make this site great will remain. If you can't make those promises, then you shouldn't have done the deal. I sure do hope that the real-time search engine wasn't the centerpiece of this deal (it probably was), because that certainly...
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- Brad Williamson
Paul you did such a nice job with friendfeed, and I so want to believe you, but I'm not sure I can. Not because of you, but because of your new employer. Because your new employer is no longer you, and while I have kind of come to trust you, I do not trust your new boss. Not at all. Please prove me wrong, if they'll let you.
- Jim Hearts FF
Paul - thanks for that reassurance. PLEASE stick to that! I was in the middle of reading and participating in a lengthy discussion off of a Robert Scoble post yesterday ... then I came up for air and saw your news. Congratulations - I have no idea what that feels like or how pumped you must be. There are so many things FF does that I LOVE...I know you know that. Please Please PLease dont' go away! Thanks!
- Tobin Truog
Thanks for the personal note Paul.
- Mike Reynolds
Phewww..relief ;-)
- Ritu
This is nice to hear, and I really hope that FriendFeed will keep on living. I still have some pain in my stomach because of this :/
- Patrik Johansson
First zombie/mafia request and we're all outta here....
- Fossil Huntress
+1 Fossil Huntress The partitioning of the networks between friendfeed and facebook was a major feature that many people made use of, lacking appropriate controls for who sees what. Merging the two groups of friends isn't going to work, at all.
- Mr. Gunn
It doesn't sound like you understand what has people worried. I wrote this to help: http://friendfeed.com/brlewis...
- Bruce Lewis
And we'll appreciate this man! Try to do your best to help FF :(
- FFTornado
Maybe Bruce analysis is too imaginary, but the question is THE question nobody answered: why did you do it, Paul?
- Luca Sofri
I left a response on Bruce's entry (http://friendfeed.com/brlewis...). I'll write more about this on my blog when I get some free time.
- Paul Buchheit
Thanks.
- Bonnie Foster
we all know what needs to happen. the question is, where? ... FB needs, - apart from being/it is, a large, general, open application platform, - 1. Smart keyboard shortkatze - and Im a kbsCzar to go to, 2. Aggregating facilities, smart /RSS/ .. 3. Full blogging facilities, capabilities, not 140 chars. 4. Full real time comments facilities, capabilities. 5. Real time, live, but ALSO...
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- Petr Buben
I hope you're being open and honest with us. This time. :(
- Kamilah Gill
Good to know , we´ll see :)
- Yahya
Thank you! I am sure you will do great things at FB. I just hope that the great app you built here isn't destroyed. I don't know of any other aggregation app that I can embed into my site like this one!
- beersage
Congratulations on your successes, best wishes for more. And thanks for continuing to look out for us loyal, addicted FFanatics!
- Rob Schieber
I hope it continues, i'm a new user and absolutely love it (wish i knew the value of it before)! Congrats!
- Luis D. Santos
As nice as it sounds I'm sorry to say that as a, now, Facebook's employee I'm afraid you'll have to comply to whatever your new boss tells you. Didn't MZ make it clear?
- lelapin
and let me add second, obvious, "Facebook needs" - Friendfeed bookmarklet, and Friendfeed tools - widgets, embedding - real time and not - of posts, and groups ...to embedd, to inject oneself into this thing called Internet ..... so, if FB listens to FF engineering long enough, they are going to get it .. right
- Petr Buben
Paul, what I am worried is not that you're brainwashed, but that there's simply no business need for Facebook to improve FriendFeed from now on, period.
- Ihar Mahaniok
I have confidence Paul. While some of the comments were probably uncalled for, covering an investment (of time and money) in these times to move on and hopefully provide even 'better stuff' makes sense to me. It's pretty obvious there are a LOT of people that don't want to 'lose' Friendfeed. (I wouldn't hold a town hall for a few weeks though :)
- Charlie Anzman
Congrats, Paul. It's sad that people have to make these uncalled for hatred comments about Facebook though. Why can't both sites work together. I think Facebook will do better with FF and vise versa. Take the good features of both services. Don't boycott FB, enjoy it. I'm sick of the negative comments going on, that's all. :(
- Mol, Time Warping
Molly: What makes you think there's going to be a "vise versa?"
- Christopher A Carr
Because I don't think Paul and the other FF developers would allow FB to do anything. I'm sorry, I am not going to think negative here like some here are. I guess I'm a fangirl for FB.
- Mol, Time Warping
Finally something about the changes on the horizon that isn't all d0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0om and whining. Thank you, Paul! :D
- Christian (Simply X)
The time to think about how you could do your 'personal best' to ensure FriendFeed continues to exist was prior to the discussions with Facebook. Not after.
- Andy C
Paul, what about the content scam that FB T&C is, does it apply to Friendfeed now? Should we all start writing scripts to retroactively delete all content ever uploaded to Friendfeed? Elaborated a bit here - http://friendfeed.com/mbravo...
- Michael Bravo
We know you'll try your best, Paul. But sometimes, you just can't win the dark side...
- Winston Teo
Thanks Paul for all your efforts. Founders often want the best, but acquiring companies often have people with political/power issues or different/limited visions.
- Mitchell Tsai
Yeahhhhhhh BOoooiiiiiiiii!!!!!!!
- sofarsoShawn
yes, thank you, Sergeant Paul ... well, good to hear we go on ... because if not, how about starting www.anotherFeed.com ... or, www.Letsgofeed.com ...... anyway, lets boost blogging capabilities, post more than current amount of chars, lets have TOP POSTS / clicks count list at the head of each group, some stats, lets index group headers, lets have MORE keyboard shortcuts .. - now ......
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- Petr Buben
Dear Facebook, Please Let Me Reply to Your Message Notifications - http://www.gaborcselle.com/blog...
Lizunlong, Darren Heydon, Peter Renshaw and 8 other people liked this
I agree.
- Paul Buchheit
Today I discovered you can reply via text if you have setup text notifications.
- Benjamin Golub
The Web Way vs. The Wave Way. Why @anildash doesn't think Google Wave will catch on, despite its advantages http://dashes.com/anil...
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Pregnant woman tased at baptism - http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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Anette Hagen, durbin, Robert Konigsberg and 12 other people liked this
It's time to take tasers away from the police. It seems that tasers have become the solution to every problem, big or small.
- Matthew Gifford
craziness!
- Rachel Lea Fox
That's just awful.
- Kevin Winn
Interesting. A person can now be charged for *public* drunkenness in their own home.
- EricaJoy
I don't want to make assumptions about exactly what happened, but it does seem noteworthy that all of the charges against this couple are of the sort that can't be easily disproven. Public drunkenness in his own backyard? Do they have a BAC measurement to prove that? Assaulting an officer? When her husband's just been tased three times *in your own yard*, *in front of your children*,...
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- Joel Webber
Just to be clear: I have had a number of friends who were cops, or who had family members who were, and I have the utmost respect for the very difficult job they do. I just expect them to be reasonable to the people in their communities, and not tase-happy. A little respect on both sides of the equation would go a long way.
- Joel Webber
Tasers are supposed to be an alternative to lethal force, not an alternative to regular police work.
- Gabe
Why do I always feel so incredibly dirty and wrong after visiting GoDaddy? How can such a huge site be so shady?
Bruce Lewis, Josh Wilkins, Matthew Gifford and 2 other people liked this
I am glad to hear I am not the only one that feels like that...
- Charles
It's the internet equivalent of going to Hooters. You go there all innocently looking for a new domain name and before you know it Danica Patrick rips open her jumpsuit and starts smacking you around with her breasts.
- Chip Ramsey
I refuse to buy anything from GoDaddy for these very reasons.
- The Other Drummer
It was a very good day when I moved all my domains off of godaddy. I put them on DreamHost for $10 a year with private hosting. No extra fees, no problems.
- Josh Wilkins
We launch a new TWiT show @ 3p today: TWig - This Week in google - with Jeff Jarvis and Gina Trapani. Google and cloud computing the topics.
Boiled Frog, Brian Kenyon, Denise Deverelle Crown and 148 other people liked this
looking forward to subscribing to the podcast. will be up in Sierra's without bandwidth to watch live today
- kent williams
Really looking forward to this show.
- Jari Hakkarainen
Sounds like a really nice addition to the TWiT network. Can't wait!
- Jonathan Grenier
Looking forward to it also
- Claes Krantz
hoping it will be up on itunes today, since i won't be able to watch it live. Can't wait to listen
- John Fogarty
from twhirl
Sounds interesting!
- Dean
I like the idea, but not the name. Seems kind of bias right off the bat. Don't get me wrong, I appreciate the innovation that Google brings to the table, but to name the freakin' show after Google?? Can you tell that I am a big fan of Dvorak :)
- rodney.franklin
i look forward to listening to it!
- Aaron
Great! Was waiting for it since the pre-announcement in TWIT.
- Alexey Klyukin
Interested and looking forward to it! May have to listen to podcast though. Will be out on a boat this afternoon.
- Suzi Kilgo
from iPhone
Looking forward to a new show,
- rudedog
Can't wait to listen!
- Tom Webster
Think it was a big mistake to put the name "google" in the title, but will probably be a great show anyways.
- Steven Legault
this is great, so much to talk about, and so much to learn. I think most people have no idea the range of services that are emerging from both Google and Amazon related to cloud services that will be invaluable for the small or start-up business as well as consumers....
- Howie Schechtman
Can't wait! A new and exciting podcast for a new and exciting era of computing!
- Josh Rosen
yeah, a new era of computing, say's it all!
- Howie Schechtman
Great idea Leo. @gregorymurray
- Gregg
looking forward to it already
- Kevin Porteous
Oh no!!! Not more Leo Podcasts!!! :-) Sure I'll be there!
- Richard Bitting
Can't wait, Leo! I'll subscribe immediately. This is an excellent topic and I'm really glad to see the best podcast network on the Internet jumping right in to cover it.
- Eric Geller
I'm really interested to see how this show goes. This is a big topic heading into our future.
- Mike Nayyar
when will it be on itunes? i wonder
- Aaron
Where can I subscribe for iTunes?
- Ben
I'm not fond of the "Google" in the name either, it's like calling a car show "This Week in Gerneral Motors". But I'll try to listen in to the taping anyways, should be funny & knowledgable with the three of you.
- Martin
is that pacific time? look forward to it!
- Susan Ettenheim
And that album art need work, IMO. The "computing in the" is hardly legible.
- Martin
I actually didn't like the artwork so I tried a different one myself. Here it is; http://img149.imageshack.us/img149...
- Can Sağlam
This sounds like a good show, and nice graphics! But how do you have time leo?! Sometimes during somewhat slow news weeks there is some overlap in news like macbreak and twit which can sometimes be annoying but still great shows as I'm sure this one will be as well. WIll jeff and gina always be there or more of a twit interchangeable style?
- Denis Dervisevic
Looking forward to it, I love your other shows and Gina Trapani is great.
- Brandon Eaker
All things Google. Not all things Twitter? LOL Should be interesting. I was listening when you spoke of this show as a, maybe. I'll be there.
- D Lets
Ready to listen to the big three Windows Weekly, MacBreak Weekly and This Week in Google...TWiT is in a class by itself.
- Christopher Knopick
Windows Weekly is the best because Paul does something 90% of the TWiT network hosts don't do: RESEARCH!
- Mark
Looking forward to it Leo!
- Cody Clark
gonna check this one out
- (jeff)isageek
TWiG is better than TWiC (This Week in [the] Cloud) for those saying he shouldn't have put Google in the name.
- Marcus Boyce
Alright. Very cool
- Dylan Richardson
Looking forward to it.
- archaictree
Jeff is a great choice for this. WWGD
- Rob Truman
from fftogo
What's in a name? ;-) I look forward to this new addition to the TWiT network!
- Joe Gilbert
Great.. looking forward to it...
- Shoukat Dharani
this is hilarious with hindsight http://www.appleinsider.com/article...
- Mark
Gina is great, as is Jeff. I really look forward to seeing how this show develops.
- Lori Todd
Google is taking over the world. Chrome OS = Android 2.0 for large laptop screens, Google Voice on Android and White Spaces will kill the $1 Trillion Telecom and ISP industry, you should talk about those ARM processor based netbooks that are coming out with Chrome browser in the next few months, they will take over the whole laptop market and start costing $150 with no contracts.
- Charbax
Great show Leo. Great way to kick off Sunday morning. will try with hangover next week
- guydownunder
from iPhone
TWiG was great! It really makes me want to dive into the cloud. :)
- Curt Tweedle
Loved the show!
- Krista House
Great show! I will be a regular weekly viewer & I want to be a part of the Wave you set up.
- Don Struble
Can't find this show on itunes :(
- Richard
There is one This Week in Google podcast in iTunes, but it's not this one ;)
- Reijo
Mark, they did one episode and it was 2 years ago. I don't think they'll have any issues with the president of the internet using the same title...
- MλTT
Wow, cool. I'll check into it.
- Ryo / Fuck Facebook
I have been looking forward to this show since you first announced it. Thanks!
- Bruce Vittetoe
Great what a good idea since Google seems to run the show/
- Rob Cairns
Is TWig on iTunes yet?
- Devon Govett
Gina's great, glad to hear about it, Leo, thanks.
- randulo
Looking for it on iTunes here too, nothing yet.
- Andrew Leahey
Take a while to appear on iTunes. Meanwhile you can add it manually to iTunes with the following URL: http://leo.am/podcasts/twig Thanks for listening!
- Leo Laporte
Can't wait to subscribe!
- Jon, the Beartato of FF
What was that thing that Jeff Jarvis brought up at about 46:00 and it sounded like; Prezee or Prez-e? I have looked on Google and I found nothing.
- AquaGeneral
I think it was Prezi, http://prezi.com/
- Brandon Eaker
i thinks is very important the post
- amadeu.karen
Fantastic show... great topic. I found it on iTunes.
- Denise Deverelle Crown
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