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so that would make me agnostic - Jared Lynem

Logical Inclination = unprovable? Please explain this. - Jason Dolinski

I mean, i think that maybe it isn't even possible for us to prove either way - Jared Lynem

The question about your evedintilist position needs some clarification. What in your mind constitutes proof. Is merely a deduction enough? - Jason Dolinski

AND.... Let me point to two words you use that would give me grave discomfort "think" and "maybe" - Jason Dolinski

lol, it just means I haven't figured out yet whether strong agnosticism is correct =p I will think on it in an attempt to resolve the internal conflict and limit your discomfort - Jared Lynem

So what would constitute proof? - Jason Dolinski

provable means deductively from what we already know - edit: by "know" i mean either an observable fact or a previous deduction from that fact. i can't even go into subjective observation right now, i'm too tired - Jared Lynem

Deduce the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics to me please within the context of Evolution. On another note as Dr. Bahnsen so apptly points out the idea of Logic can not be deduced from a system without rules. The use of logic is completely non sensical unless you believe (not know) that events are going to transcend the way that they have in the past. Evolution teaches us that things stopped behaving as they did and started behaving differently. - Jason Dolinski

re: evolution- thank goodness for the sun, or else we wouldn't be here - Jared Lynem

re: logic- a system of logic is a model. there are systems of logic that do not accurately model what we observe in reality. we have created or discovered one that does, however, and we can use it to accurately predict things based on rules. However the accuracy is never 100%. - Jared Lynem

so there are rules, but the only way to know exactly what they are is to know everything - Jared Lynem

for instance, say you have a number generator that spits out 0 or 1 based on a well-defined rule. The first 20 numbers that come out are 0's. does that mean the next 20 are? does it mean the next 5 are? does that mean the rule is "all zeros"? now imagine a million or a billion zeros, and ask the same questions. - Jared Lynem

Reviving the old thread here- Re: the sun, if the sun is losing mass every year, and the earth is really really really old (millions of years or infinite, your choice) How much bigger would the sun have had to be once upon a time? Is this a logical train of thought? - Matt Tennison