OK FriendFeed, it is recommendation time again. I need a recommendation for a decent, reliable and inexpensive business card printing service. I know about Moo, but they do way more than I need.
hrmm I used Zazzle a while back but they weren't 'that' cheap and postage to Australia surely wasn't cheap!
- Matt Hooper
Postage/shipping should not be an issue as I am in the US, so most services are probably domestic. I am only running 100 cards for now, but for that many Moo is on the high end of the price range.
- Rob Diana
A timely reminder from Robert on backing up. I particularly agree with the point about backing up in at least 2 places on line ie not just storing files with one online service
- Matt Hooper
I am still searching the web for something interesting to post. So far nothing.........
- TheHenry
coming up to 5pm Monday here in Brisbane, Australia. I'm about to head home having done my day's work. Checking in on FF makes the last quarter hour more bearable :)
- Matt Hooper
I just checked Twitter and here was the most interesting Tweet on the page - "OMG, so sorry guys, I was being sarcastic to the ones who replied to my crazy tweet. Nothing is the matter. Thanks for all the quick replies" (nothing happening over there other than crazy tweets!)
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
It's been pretty quiet over there, too. Maybe this whole social media thing is dying out? LOL!
- Kimber Scott
If social media is dead it's Robert's fault for going out in the sun.
- WorldofHiglet
Kimber: Tell that to Chris Pirillo. He'll flip! I'm reading his blog and watching his live stream.
- Amir
from iPod
Or, I mean Chris Pirillo of MSNBC fame. Really white teeth? Talk so fast he gets a little spit buildup at the corners of his mouth? That Chris Pirillo?
- Kimber Scott
from email
And of course most of these tech people have never done a real days work in their lives so they get up about 11am ;)
- Mark
Having read your comment I felt compelled to make it 7 and support a new site.
- Benjy Felsham
LOL was currenly wondering how to fit Freindfeed into the whole mix (other than just having it following me - aka stalking me - all over te net) but considering the 51 comments, maybe I should still consider using it for something. :)
- Phillip Grady Jr
I've read this. seems more then six? ;)
- James Kuypers
Oh, sorry Amir. I was wondering why the geeks on FF were always talking about a political consultant with big teeth and sticky mouth corners. So, now I know it's not the same guy! I was thinking of Chris Cilliza... oops.
- Kimber Scott
from email
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- پـرستووو
from email
Nonsense. When does a bunch of features become a service? What if FF has more features than Twitter (it does) - is it somehow less of a service than Twitter?
- Leo Laporte
Charlie: Jason wants some engagement. Can't you tell?
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
You mean Friendfeed will become necessary infrastructure for any social network? I fail to see how that's a bad thing.
- Victor Ganata
We already have Guy Kawasaki, we don't need Ashton, or Oprah.
- Matt Ruiz
There's not a lot of discussion about a friendfeed business model, generally, in the blogosphere, is there? I wonder why this is? Friendfeed continue to innovate and come up with great ideas and ways to receive, filter and digest information and it's clear that other sites copy their ideas. I am definitely not keen for FF to go mainstream - personally I like the fact that I can keep my circle of friends here to those (primarily tech/web) folks that I want to gather information from and interact with.
- Matt Hooper
Jason is right though. I wonder what FriendFeed is going to be in the future. It clearly hasn't grown enough and isn't differentiated enough to be taken seriously.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
When Google Wave was first announced, I thought "Hey, it's a lot like FriendFeed." Maybe Google Wave stole it's thunder, but FriendFeed feels like what e-mail would look like if it was designed today.
- Scott Loganbill
Come to mention it, does anyone remember Google Wave since the announcement?
- Scott Loganbill
Scott: I'll remember it when it's actually released.
- Matt Ruiz
Actually... everything is a feature. 'Communication' is the service.
- Johnny Worthington
My point is that I don't think there is a viable business model for FF as a standalone business. FF as a feature set has already gone mainstream: It's called FACEBOOK. And FF-like features will be integrated into most social networks. FF like features will be "copied" and tightly integrated into other services. So where does that leave FF? How will FF make money? How will FF grow a...
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- Jason Goldberg
Err... Facebook was mainstream before it got the 'feature set'. Facebook exists based on ads that everyone hates and the only reason everyone is there is because everyone else is there... just like it was with Myspace. You are looking at the pork roast before you even fattened the pig. Think of all the massive online experiments that are now floundering. Digg was hot. Everyone had a...
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- Johnny Worthington
Jason - I think I know from where your comment comes :) XING is/will implement more or less ALL FF features. I have been watching for a while SocialMedian/XING and now in particular with XING Partner Ecosystem is you guys plan to open..this is where you are going. But ovearll I think you are missing the point that FF is not about features but about "communication and communities" . And its growing..
- TechFuga
I'm a big FF fan. It's an awesome service. The question I have is there a market for this as a sustainable standalone service?
- Jason Goldberg
FriendFeed is one on the online services I'd pay for. Effective aggregation of diverse social media feeds has both business and personal value. Such a service is only valuable if it integrates the feeds I want to see, not just one. Conversely, I would not pay for Facebook; its signal/noise ratio is far too low to be a useful aggregator, and appears to be evolving into an advertising platform.
- David Lounsbury
What Jason means is that "social" is a feature which will be integrated into everything. Friends, sharing, liking, commenting, etc will eventually find their into pretty-much every internet service, from writing documents through to video hosting. Google Reader is the first (but not only) example of this - and it may (and I emphasise "may", not "will") mean that friendfeed becomes redundant.
- Ian Betteridge
Your child has the most value after it has been potty trained and finished second grade. Do you sell it then?
- Todd Hoff
cool ! i want to see FF everywhere. in all social networks, I jus love to have mi FF in Twitter, Bing, Facebook,iLike
- Đoи яамoη
from twhirl
This might hold water if Google Wave wasn't announced, or if you didn't listen to Bret Taylor at Crunchup. The future isn't FriendFeed-like features getting added to every walled garden social networking site: the future is federated social networking. It doesn't matter that you have the same features as someone else, in fact, that's to your benefit, because in the future, if you can't...
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- Mark Trapp
Another example of how flawed this line of thinking is: end of the 90s. Search was just a "feature" to larger portal sites. Guess who won? The one company that offered search as a service. The history of technology is littered with examples of winners who implemented one thing really well and losers who tried to do everything.
- Mark Trapp
I'm not convinced that Google Wave is going to be anything other than another walled garden, to be honest. But I don't think your argument really holds water, Mark. I remember not that long ago site owners who didn't want comments on content, and who argued that users' comments should be confined to linked-to forums - for exactly the same reasons you're outlining. Sharing, liking,...
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- Ian Betteridge
I think Mr. Goldberg could be on the money here. "Look, FF is an awesome service with a great early-adopter tech-savvy loyal userbase. But what does that get FF? Would someone acquire FF today for the userbase or the technology?" Nope, but maybe for the talented engineers. ;)
- Pete Delucchi
FF is a service, it might become just a feature under Facebook. Whichever service remains as an independent aggregator is where I'll move if that happens.
- Allred
from Android
Who is this guy and why are we concerned about his tales of the future?
- Fleagle
@Fleagle ... Jason Goldman started SocialMedian, a robust, and well-respected social media sharing service that's very similar in many respects to FF, and he sold it to, I think, Xing.
- .LAG liked that
A feature? The Friendfeed website seems much more of a viable service than Twitter.
- Hunt
from iPhone
Robert - Have been busy with 'new stuff' and just revisiting this. The argument is that there isn't any (argument). Of all the SERVICES I've used over the years, Friendfeed has been BY FAR the most innovative, productive (and/or fun). I'm not goin' anywhere and the more I think about it, the more I find it sad that they felt the need to sell at this juncture (although I can understand it). Count me among the many that hopes it stays right here.
- Charlie Anzman
I think there's much confusion about one thing. Can OpenFF be "one thing", one piece of software? I think not. One piece of software implies a centralized service, unless you want the software to support federation. But as soon as you talk about federation, you need a federation protocol.
Maybe I'm wrong with the term "federation". What I mean is an data exchange protocol between nodes. Like email, http, xmpp, or something more advanced (build on top of one of the first for example).
- Meryn Stol
2. cross-site Profile Update so when I change my avatar or bio, it gets broadcast via http+OAuth
- Brian Hendrickson
3. cross-site Post so I can send my updates to my Followers at any number of destinations. if I have 4000 followers at 30 different servers, my server does a single http post to each of the 30 destinations
- Brian Hendrickson
Any point looking at Gravatar or a similar service, for hosting avatars? Of course, someone else can always start a similar service.
- Tyson Key
On top of that comes that right now, it doesn't even is clear to me that we need to look for a federated system. We may be better off with true "peer to peer", something more akin to how RSS works. Of course, there will be a need to speed up the data exchange as much as possible, so ideally you want to have hubs for data exchange... Which brings us to pubsubhubbub...
- Meryn Stol
Who caches content, in case one of the nodes goes offline?
- Tyson Key
Tyson, no clue. This is all new. We need to think this up ourselves.
- Meryn Stol
But maybe some people here are somehow much further in their thinking... If so, I'd really like to be educated.
- Meryn Stol
Distributed Peer-to-Peer implies to me that there'd be some sort of switchboard for locating "bootstrap" servers during a client's initial connection, similar to protocols like Gnutella or FastTrack, for what it's worth. That might not be the case, though...
- Tyson Key
Tyson, no, you wouldn't need to. You can search for people to subscribe to with Google. That's the beauty of the web. You could also simply exchange urls (by mouth, IM, email).
- Meryn Stol
Meryn OMB is a simple http push system. that's a strength. combine it with a "Comet"-push feature to connected browsers of a given OMB network server and you have a FriendFeed-like experience as stuff streams down your page from all over the internet, with no "hops". hook Dave Winer's RSSCloud to it and call it good :-)
- Brian Hendrickson
Come to think of it, XMPP federation works nicely, although additional DNS SRV records are necessary for inter-server communication to work properly.
- Tyson Key
Blogs are not using just RSS. There's also trackbacks and "pinging" of central services (like Technorati). This could all be part of the mix.
- Meryn Stol
Brian, if it's so easy, I suggest that you code it. ;) You're gonna be famous. Or at least, very loved by the community here. ;)
- Meryn Stol
(i.e. Someone adds an account on another service to a roster/"contact list", and then a connection to the server hosting that account is opened on-demand).
- Tyson Key
I've had this working at my OMB sites since April but I want to make sure I can scale it.
- Brian Hendrickson
Oh, hehe... So are you saying you've got some piece of the solution for us? I'm not so much familiar with this things so I can judge that. I need to learn a lot if I want to contribute meaningfully on a system-level. (that is, more than simply doing some protocol implementations)
- Meryn Stol
Simply put, I don't know what I'm talking about. :)
- Meryn Stol
Basically I cloned the FriendFeed realtime experience in April, using my decentralized OMB software which is designed to run on very low-end web hosting. It's written in PHP. The idea here is to have tons and tons of tiny little services with a handful of users. The classic model was to have huge silos so it's a big shift in thinking.
- Brian Hendrickson
Wow, you did? Do you have a demo running somewhere?
- Meryn Stol
Should we all make an exodus to BrianFeed(TM)? ;)
- Tyson Key
My open source project just has a handful of developers compared to Laconica's more complete effort, so I'm not really promoting it because it still has some bugs, but we've fixed more than 100 issues since April so it's moving along.
- Brian Hendrickson
go people, go!!! (please add timestamps to comments in the clone too, so I can see the temporal flow of conversations like this ;)
- Marshall Kirkpatrick
hey Marshall we should play some tennis, i'm at 29th & Knott :-)
- Brian Hendrickson
On the other hand, isn't Laconi.ca backed by a start-up corporation? That'd make a world of difference, workforce/free bodies wise...
- Tyson Key
tennis sounds great! let's chat after Gnomedex, I'm tied up till then.
- Marshall Kirkpatrick
I know you guys are both in Portland. That's so great. I'm a Portland fan.
- Meryn Stol
Marshall just bought his first house, in the neighborhood I grew up in.
- Brian Hendrickson
I have more or less decided that it is the most "Dutch" city of the US. (I'm Dutch)
- Meryn Stol
Hmm can I read the list online? I'm not that much of an email person. If necessary, I'll make an exception of course.
- Meryn Stol
OK I'll activate your Twitter handle, after you sign in, I will have to create your network for you b/c i've just finished the meryn.twitteronia.com subdomain feature and haven't created a UI control for that yet. open source ftw.
- Brian Hendrickson
Wow, that's really great. Thanks a lot.
- Meryn Stol
Ok, I'm signed in now. Can you create my "network"?
- Meryn Stol
do you have the "create new community" screen? try it
- Brian Hendrickson
Yup, I've now created "meryn.twitteronia.com" but when I browse to it it fails to load. You need to do something now I guess.
- Meryn Stol
Just throwing in 2 cents here. Jaiku Engine already does a lot of what you guys want, so it might be worth checking out for a proof-of-concept: http://code.google.com/p...
- Brett Slatkin
JaikuEngine also supports importing RSS feeds, too, although there is a Twitter-style character limit for native posts.
- Tyson Key
Thanks for your input, Brett. I'm really not well-informed on what's currently out there. I've been trying to read up a little, what people are doing with XMPP and such, but haven't looked at complete solutions yet.
- Meryn Stol
Cool. I agree with your general assertion, Meryn, that federation should be a protocol, not a product. Whatever system is created for real federation should outlive any codebase or company that implements the protocol.
- Brett Slatkin
Brian, maybe I am doing completely wrong... My understanding of what can go wrong in loading a domain is really low. Especially when caches are involved.
- Meryn Stol
I just tried opening it in Safari, but that doesn't work either. So I guess it's not Firefox's cache. But if you want me to empty stuff/restart, I'll try.
- Meryn Stol
I moved twitteronia.com DNS hosting onto a service with an API that I can call to add new subdomains
- Brian Hendrickson
Interestingly, I can access it through the Coral CDN service.
- Tyson Key
Although doing so results in the rendered page looking pretty ugly, since it can't download the stylesheets. In addition, it seems to be failing as far as making connections via JavaScript goes, too.
- Tyson Key
Brian, curious to hear more about how you're serving comet via commodity PHP hosting. I thought Apache would fall down with lots of long running connections... ?
- Jason Wehmhoener
i'm using two hosts. one is a $80/mo EC2 instance at realtime.twitteronia.com running meteorserver, the other is my regular "commodity" host at *.twitteronia.com
- Brian Hendrickson
Brian, I don't understand that you need a API call for that. I had a hosting setup in which I could add directly use any subdomain. All subdomains (except those exempted) would resolve to the same IP, and were taken by the same apache vhost.
- Meryn Stol
I think I got a weird redirect... But maybe I was doing something wrong.
- Meryn Stol
don't hate my php project b/c it's not beautiful :-)
- Brian Hendrickson
actually, you can slap a lot of different wordpress themes in front of it, b/c I cloned the theme api
- Brian Hendrickson
" Sorry, that nickname is already being used. Fatal error in line 159 of file /home/brian/public_html/twitteronia/app/omb/controllers/identities.php"
- Meryn Stol
You've got some serious alpha code going on there :)
- Meryn Stol
At first it sputters to life, then the code lives for a time. Great thread guys. I haven't revisited but am following the project Brian. Would love to see a nice blog post video of the technical setup. Are any of the open source developers into that sorta thing?
- Mark Essel
from iPhone
+1 Mel - I am gutted and don't know what to do if the main FF site closes
- Matt Hooper
Why would I leave friendfeed? This place works well enough for me.
- Talon Lardner
Manuel: back to my blog and Twitter, probably. I'm playing around with Facebook but it doesn't quite do it for me.
- Robert Scoble
I'm sticking around unless there's some sort of mass exodus which I don't see an immediate reason for.
- Mike Elliott
Not leaving 'til it closes, and I'm certainly not going to facebook or twitter even then.
- Jim in Real Time
I'm sad, but I'm sticking around. I'm hoping others do to. At some point, the fuss will die down.
- Helen Sventitsky
Mike: because I expect it will get shut down eventually if it doesn't get invested in, and if it gets no new features it will fall behind Google Wave and other projects.
- Robert Scoble
This feels like that HBO Documentary about Brooklyn Dodgers going to LA haha.
- Manuel Mas
And, actually, Google Wave seems to be the most obvious thing for me to try out from now on.
- Robert Scoble
I will stick around until they move the features I like from friendfeed onto facebook.
- Bryan Lee
Isn't it a bit early to make decisions? Has there been an announcement that I missed that FF is going away? Even if it isn't where else is better at this point?
- Tad
I'm not going anywhere Helen...When it goes it goes...I'm sitting tight on the ship
- Bill Heslin
there used to be a kind of message board system ages back with FB. disppeared one day never to return, lets hope this will bring something of that back, who knows..
- Terry O'Fee
Waiting and watching. Robert, I know you have a discussion tab on FB but its not the same. ;)
- Melanie Reed
How soon before google wave becomes available to the early adopters/public?
- Bryan Lee
Mashable just published a How To Take Advantage of FriendFeed's Unique Features. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. A little late for that, no?
- Stephen Pickering
didn't you just just say "FriendFeed is dead. I will keep using it until Paul unplugs the last server, which could be years" ? or i'm missing something
- Liviu Barbat
I'll stick around to the bitter end.
- Dave Metzener
Robert: Earlier in the day you were excited for both FriendFeed & Facebook. It didn't sound like you were leaving FriendFeed. What changed? Why not stick around to see what happens?
- Jill Elswick
Bryan: I heard they weren't handing out beta access to non-developers until September. Cold be wrong but that's what I heard
- Mike Elliott
I'm in wait and see mode. It would have to be absolutely sucked in by FB for me to leave it completely.
- pea
Robert, if you believe this is a good deal for both FF and FB - why are you leaving?
- George F. Snell III
When should we cue in Titanic's last song by the band as FF sinks below leaving us all behind?
- Manuel Mas
Why leave now? Until it is changed or killed, it still works just the same.
- Jeff P. Henderson
Same assessment as you, I'll stick around but I need to find an option B now. I guess I'll go wherever Louis Gray recommends
- Alberto Saavedra
I plan on sticking around for a little while longer. Not ready to jump ship yet.
- David Finch
Melanie: yeah, real time really has me going. I will wait until I get a better sense from the FriendFeed team about what will be done here. I just am not getting the right signals from the team that there will be any investment in this. If that's the case, I'd rather invest my time somewhere else. Google Wave. Ning. Vanilla on Building43. Twitter, now that I got rid of the spammers. Etc.
- Robert Scoble
I'll watch and see what happens. IF I feel that it would be useless to stay, I'll leave the site.
- TeraDyne Azurepaw
I think the features of FF will be incorporated into FB (guilt free) and FB profiles will be more tied into FF. That's about all we'll see...
- Gus
Manuel: hey, Pirillo is over there. :-)
- Robert Scoble
I'm staying here until something else catches up.
- Bruce Lewis
Robert, I can definitely see the value of your invested time on any service, but for the average user, what is the downside of sticking around here as long as the site still exists?
- Jeff P. Henderson
@Scobleizer: The big crowd is not even at Friendfeed yet and you are already leaving? Someone will be by in a few minutes with a drink. Please help yourself and stick around for the conversation. You will be greatly missed should you choose to leave so soon.
- David Damore
Social Media is a set of tools--I appreciate the connections I make, but I'm not getting too emotionally worked-up about the tools changing. FF probablywon't function as my Social Media hub much longer.
- Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
I like it here, so I'll hang out as long as possible.
- sean percival
Not making any set plans yet, but keeping my eyes and ears open.
- Martha
And when Google buys Twitter, won't that be interesting
- Stephen Pickering
Bruce: have you played with Wave yet? I'm wondering how good that is? I gotta get an invite. Off to beg someone cooler than me. :-)
- Robert Scoble
I will continue to use it until it closes down in its current form.
- ashish
I'm a little pissed that we haven't heard much from our other "rock stars". Where the hell are they? This concerns them, yet I can hear a pin drop. I think there secretly plotting. Roflmao
- Jeunelle Foster
I don't want to but if it eventually goes down the way everybody's predicting it will then i'll have to look for alternatives :( .......by the way where do i beg for Wave invites :)
- Bhowmik Shah
I'd bet Microsoft buys Twitter before Google does.
- Gus
I haven't played with wave yet, but from what I've seen it's got potential. FriendFeed's got polish.
- Bruce Lewis
I wasn't planning on going anywhere, but I guess I'll be spending more time on Social Median. Perhaps someone should start putting together a decent buddypress site?
- Aram Zucker-Scharff
I might leave only because I quit facebook - I hate the mindset, the shallowness, and am afraid (make that certain) those people will come here
- Aaman (Clone of FF)
Gus: Microsoft and Twitter deserve each other. They are both somewhat buggy and don't come up with new features very often. ;-)
- Robert Scoble
I think I'll be heading back to Twitter until Google Wave is publicly available
- Aaman (Clone of FF)
Robert: Since at the end of the day all these platforms are businesses and have to eventually make money does it make sense to keep investing time and effort into building communities on them when they can sell/merge at any time and dismantle the tools that keep the community in place? it seems like the portable community concept of something like Google FriendConnect now makes more...
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- Mike Elliott
The other rock stars are drinking. :-)
- Robert Scoble
If Facebook had an easier way of connecting with people but not showing them all the personal stuff I'm willing to show to my close friends (and the stuff my friends post about me), I don't think I'd need anything like FriendFeed or Twitter.
- Edward Coffey
Robert: I've played with Wave and I wouldn't really put it in the same category as FriendFeed at the moment. It's not really about sharing and conversing in mass form IMO. Its really conversation with maybe 20 people or so but its much more difficult to focus conversations about shared content. Let everybody know when you get an invite and your address so we can add you! :)
- Brandon Titus
It kinda proves a theory I have about us all being reduced (if I can use that word) to channels. I don't think social networking will go away, but as the internet and deals increase, so does the noise. Don't worry Scobe, you still show up in our Google reader every morning!!
- professor daddyo
Man, what are we going to do without these discussions like this?
- Stephen Pickering
Mike: No community is permanent. It's worthwhile to participate even if it's temporary.
- Bruce Lewis
@Gus, Well MS has large stake in FB so I'm not sure about that. I'll stick around here till it peters out. The tech news rooms here are top notch.
- Adi
I don't use FF much other than for private rooms, so I'll stay for those. Whatever other activity I have (which is sporadic and generally not personal) will also remain.
- Cheryl
I'll stick around until they pull the plug.
- Morton Fox
Leave friendfeed? what's the alternative I'd really like to know. Is it facebook?
- Tate DA FF MVP
I'll stick with it as long as it's here and people are still active. FF4L!!
- Cassidy
What is the next thing? Where do we go now? Not FB! But where?
- Michael Liss
I won't be deleting my account, but signing in and commenting? No. No real point to continue putting data into a service that is gonna get unplugged anyway. Guess we just have to return to blogs and twitter.
- BCK
what? leave and create a better version of Twitter? or start FriendsterFeed?
- Andy Sternberg
The downside for me? I invest time in things that WILL BE not that are. That's always been what keeps my interest and now that I know that FriendFeed probably will not be, even if it takes five years to totally die, I've lost a great deal of interest in it.
- Robert Scoble
Michael: I don't think anyone knows today where to go next, because there's no good substitute out there. We can only hope that the next destination will be obvious before they pull the plug.
- Bruce Lewis
With the price of bandwith/computing halving every year, there will be a new one of these popping up pretty quick
- Stephen Pickering
I'll just go to twitter. I have a facebook account but I hate it. Facebook is the walmart of the web.
- Darrel Davis
yeah~ definitly! @Jeunelle foster please come down,
- harri78son
I see now...This whole thing was a ploy to get everyone visiting Robert's blog! I am outraged! :P
- Brandon Titus
Brandon: OK, we can go over to YOUR blog. Got Echo? :-)
- Robert Scoble
Bruce: Very true. I've tried to get into FaceBook but it's hard to get the clean conversation feed along with lifestreaming content. It just seems to be full of distracting noise even with the ability to filter with lists.
- Mike Elliott
Robert, the same could be said about Flickr, they haven't had much inovation since Yahoo bought them, but people still use the service in droves.
- Jeff P. Henderson
Don't worry Kelly, a new one of these will pop quickly, if they kill this
- Stephen Pickering
Kelly: we don't need to leave tonight. Let's trash the house first! :-)
- Robert Scoble
Brandon, that's funny. At the Boston FriendFeed meetup, everybody else had learned about FriendFeed through Scobleizer. I was the only one who found him through FriendFeed.
- Bruce Lewis
I'm leaving my account here for now but I'll be removing all my feeds.
- Got80s
Anyway, for the rest of today at-least I reckon I'll be off FriendFeed - real conversation is being drowned out by the echoes of this deal.
- Edward Coffey
I'm staying here until there is a reason to leave. Though I don't hold out hope they'll keep the service alive forever... obviously, I'm always enjoysthin.gs too, but it's not quite the same. I REALLY can't see myself using facebook as much as FF though.
- Ted Roden
I need an adult beverage. then I'll trash the place...
- Kelly Mitchell
I despise FB. Please let them not just trash FF.
- Adam Webb
Considering the free Google Wave protocol implementation and ejabbered work together, it shouldn't be too hard to quickly build a FF type service that's scalable. Combine that with EC2 and S3 and you could probably get a lot of runway before funding is needed. Robert, I think the next service you switch to should be part owned by you, considering I bet a lot of the traffic here was originated from you evangelizing.
- Chip Ramsey
Bryan: it's worse than that. I'm hearing that Facebook bought FriendFeed for its team. Google Superstars. Makes Zuckerberg get out his wallet.
- Robert Scoble
Where will be the next pasture Mr. Scoble?
- Rami Taibah
Stephen: lol. Yes, the 50 million dollar man. But seriously, there's no doubt what they really want is the tallent.
- Brandon Titus
I'm gutted about this, but I knew that Virb account would come in handy eventually... sorta... maybe...
- Linda Mills
Holden, yeah, but it doesn't make sense to invest energy here when its eventually going to die anyway
- Stephen Pickering
I'm new on FF so I wonder, are people leaving FF because you'll have to use FB to participate?
- Christopher Doiron
Stephen: not only for Paul. The guy who started Google Talk is at FriendFeed. So is the guy who started Google Maps.
- Robert Scoble
Robert your not processing anything from what I see..Your just gonna dump it...thanks...makes us All feel so much better....Salt in a wound?
- Bill Heslin
Christopher, it's that the FriendFeed team's new bosses will turn priorities away from the site we love.
- Bruce Lewis
They'll probably cannibalize FriendFeed... nom nom
- Kelly Mitchell
funny how many people are joining friend feed on the news of this acquisition. i'm seeing lots of my twitter followers starting to join.
- mark silva
I say its WAAAYYY too early to speculate what will happen to friendfeed next. Let the drama of today die down.
- Bryan Lee
Yeah lets all get drunk and start a fight. This whole thing is hilarious to me. Funny how media can start a panic. I ain't goin no where, I like to coloring.
- Jeunelle Foster
Bill: I said I won't leave until I hear more from the team. Why must you always be a drama queen?
- Robert Scoble
Kelly, I wish they would absorb FriendFeed, but despite the talk I don't think openness and Facebook are compatible.
- Bruce Lewis
Robert, Ex-Google Superstars is how I see it too. I don't see big plans for FF the sense was we were the last thing on their minds.
- Melanie Reed
Can't help being an attention whore, its what I'm good at :)
- Jeunelle Foster
Okay so we sit tight and wait and drink. lol
- Kelly Mitchell
but there is no time to wait a special direction on internet, It's too fast!!
- harri78son
Kelly: My analogy for this is like the female praying mantis luring the male for sex, then it bites its head off. You can see the pic in my story http://bryansays.com
- Bryan Lee
I'm in the eyewear business and so I always know how to make a spectacle of myself :)
- Jeunelle Foster
Bruce: I agree. Wouldn't it be feasible for them to simply keep the two properties separate then? FriendFeed would be the open/public portion of Facebook and Facebook could stay closed and keep its current private user base.
- Brandon Titus
Bryan, pretty graphic and right on the money.
- Kelly Mitchell
Why shouldn't he pull out his wallet. FB needs to monetize. The ex Google Rockstars know just how to do that
- Stephen Pickering
I'll stick around and see what happens, but might not bother so much with another 'social' web site again.
- Grant Bierman
:) I am what I am Robert...I'm A DRAMA QUEEN? LOL that's funny....even though I'm a much better queen than you I still wuvs ya...Still processing all this as everyone else is...Sorry...might be shooting from the hip and I shouldn't
- Bill Heslin
Am I the only one excited to see how Facebook integrates FF? I have hundreds of FB friends that I know personally, yet know nobody that I am "friends" with on FF or Twitter. FB has my friends but I'd love FF's functionality.
- Chris Nunz
There's this optimistic talk about keeping FriendFeed around as R&D. I'm skeptical about it.
- Bruce Lewis
I'll leave FriendFeed as soon as there's somewhere to go to; currently, I'm not convinced there is.
- Tristan Seligmann
Also when you are hanging with the Master of the Universe for four hours, its sort of like Bill Clinton going to Korea. Kind of influences you.
- Stephen Pickering
Rami: I don't know. That's why I'm talking with you. I just know I won't continue to invest my time in something that will soon get no more investment. That's not who I am. I will hang out with Louis Gray until he finds something cool. By the way, someone gave me Google Wave already, thanks!
- Robert Scoble
This should be a reality television show. This is where the real drama queens will come out to play.
- Jeunelle Foster
Bruce: I disagree with you about Facebook and openness. They are a lot more open than they used to be and are MUCH more professional and friendly than, say, Twitter is.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, I look forward to your review of Wave.
- Bruce Lewis
Openness and Facebook are not one and the same.... polar opposites. Bah humbug.
- Kelly Mitchell
Yup the big dogs are sitting back laughing at this whole thing
- Jeunelle Foster
It doesn't necessarily have to be "R&D" but really a completely separate product. Something like YouTube is to Google. Although that's a terrible analogy...I guess the products are too similar to keep separate.
- Brandon Titus
I'd pay-per-view to see Scoble and Sebastian Bach fight
- Mattb4rd
The Chinese government is much more open than it used to be. It still doesn't meet my standards.
- Bruce Lewis
Bruce: also, Zuckerberg is seeing the real money is in search. So he HAS to be open to really do great there.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: Any chance you could share your Wave address?
- Brandon Titus
Did anyone get a chance to see Youtube HTML 5 Demo?
- Stephen Pickering
Brandon: I don't have my own address. Someone gave me theirs so can't share.
- Robert Scoble
Zuckerberg doesn't make money from other companies' search engines, so he's still limiting what data can go out. I see FB getting more open about what data they take in.
- Bruce Lewis
Bruce: Wave is very geeky. I think the UI has a lot of FriendFeed's problems x10. We'll see how that first impression sticks.
- Robert Scoble
And Wave will only be as good as how many users it has
- Stephen Pickering
I guess what I'm trying to say is even if you don't think your time here is an not an investment ;anymore in anything Robert...We still, or at least I do, consider your input valuable. And if you were to jump ship too soon, I think we would all lose something. So, even if things don't look good...please hang around..That's what I meant to say...
- Bill Heslin
Where will I go? Probably no where. Friendfeed was the first time I really got to feel like I found a home. Other places don't interact and blend multiple social services like Friendfeed does/did. Just as plenty of other people have said, I'm waiting for Google Wave at this point. I'm already a Google whore, might as well wait for the Wave to come through.
- Matthew Horton
Bruce: data that goes out can be embedded on blogs and websites and interact with things. Also, if you get into Google's search engine you can get a LOT of traffic, which then you can monetize on your own service.
- Robert Scoble
Not necessarily nailing the coffin shut yet here. Going to hang around and see what develops....what seems likely at the moment may be a totally different thing tommorow :O)
- Jack Wilson, K4SAC
I am leaving at midnight. 2 accounts will be deleted, mine and one I manage for another site.
- April Russo (app103)
Robert: Hope you enjoy Wave! The UI is definitely way off for content sharing (at least in my first impression) and more suited for group communication for the very scenarios they threw out in the demos. Get much beyond that, or have too many people and the system starts to break down. Obviously, the underlying Wave infrastructure could be used to create something similar to and better than Friendfeed.
- Brandon Titus
Yeah, the cool thing about Wave is the problem they solved with the protocol. Not really their UI implementation. I think there are huge opportunities with both Open Social and the Wave protocol.
- Chip Ramsey
OK, I have been out of touch and I guess I missed something. I see nothing wrong with staying with all the feeds I am tied to!
- Dave Sickmeier
April, please don't delete your account. We lose interesting history when people do that.
- Bruce Lewis
There is no Facebook and no FriendFeed, it is now called TwoFacedFriend...
- Kelly Mitchell
Bill: I'll be around but probably a lot less. Actually I was thinking that this was good timing. We have a new baby due in September and my other son is just starting to learn to talk, so want to spend more time hanging around with the family.
- Robert Scoble
I am gonna wait it out. If the community as a whole migrates I will go with them, but I don't want to overreact.
- Neal Jansons
it's time to have another serious look at Plaxo. There are some very clever people there too, I believe?!
- Matt Hooper
Truth is, being addicted to FriendFeed isn't a good lifestyle.
- Robert Scoble
April: why so sudden and why delete accounts? I don't get that.
- Robert Scoble
As you should. Family is much more important than any of this. And now I have to go fix my wig! LOL
- Bill Heslin
depends what they do with the service - I like friendfeed and facebook so I think it will probably work okay for me
- Nick Stone
Brandon: oh, oh. You said it "Wave doesn't scale." Not good.
- Robert Scoble
FF also has good tools for using it in moderation -- best of day, week, which you can get by email. Lists help.
- Bruce Lewis
I have been spending most of my time on Brightkite. It's a smaller community and more fun. A better alternative than twitter or facebook.
- John C Ferron
Robert, and yes when he does that (Money in Search), it will change the playing field in lateral ways across the Internet, especially in ePortfolios and other like applications that don't need to be walled gardens
- Melanie Reed
Your right, Robert, but you would eventually learn to moderate your use, and a service like this is going to be needed
- Stephen Pickering
And Leo and Dick Debartolo are on the wine train, missing all this...I envy them...lol
- Bill Heslin
Will there ever be an app that just leaves facebook out of the equation - we could only dream
- Ryan Gerritsen
i'm leaving, watching from twitter would be a better option for me.
- rama mamuaya
I am not likely to invest time in another community that I don't have a stake in. If I contribute it will be because I have a personal interest and am part of the team that runs the show. That is the only way I will feel comfortable investing my time & energy into it.
- April Russo (app103)
If we could get the other "Rock Stars" who are obviously having a "virtual prayer meeting" somewhere to get together and talk about what changes they wish to see and what they would like to see develop for social media, Twitter, Facebook, Friendfeed and now this Google Wave, we would probably all feel a little better as we might be able to see down the dark cold tunnel but they're out...
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- Jeunelle Foster
i think that I'll keep posting to friendfeed until it fully integrates with facebook
- Carlos Leiva Burotto
Man, I can understand Louis' feelings. Look how much he and Scoble have put into this
- Stephen Pickering
I'll continue to use FF until there's reason not to. I'm patient enough to see what happens to it. What's the hurry?
- Cathryn Hrudicka
I just started on Friendfeed. It can't go away!
- Paul McElligott
Lets start FeedFriend - the Bizaro friendfeed minus Facebook integration
- Ryan Gerritsen
Well, I was rather hoping for some sort of joint deal between Twitter & FF... I'm not sure if I'll stick around in FF or not. I'm definitely not a fan of Facebook
- Tim Bergman
Paul, that's what so frustrating. Just given time, we know it would have caught on
- Stephen Pickering
This really SUCKS because when you don't have great "developers" to put something together like FriendFeed, you're really just gonna have to either take it up the ass or commit suicide. I'll hang myself 1st with all my clothes on :)
- Jeunelle Foster
I'm wherever good, smart peeps are ('cuz I'm not smart enough). I don't invest much in tools - it's the people I care for. I'm not gonna abandon FF now but I understand that we'll need a way to foster the kind of community that got fostered here. Nothing lasts forever - and that's mostly a good thing in the long run.
- phil baumann
from Android
i'll be here until either the bitter end or something else comes along ... i'm really hoping that the ff-team will turn facebook into more of what it was before the apps came along... i think that's when FB really took a downward turn for me
- Chris Heath
Venues like this will come and go, the whole social media landscape is in a constant state of flux I don't see why so many are up in arms. The life cycle of all the current venues are short and most of the leaders are nearing the end of their lives as we know it. But fear not, many new shiny toys will be bestowed upon us to play with. Now let's be social again! (ps. I'm sure we've seen NOTHING yet!)
- Paul Monaco
Tweet: the cheese is in Zuckerberg's office! :-)
- Robert Scoble
And for anyone that wants to know why I am deleting my account and not just moving away and leaving it to rot like i would normally do...just read the policies of facebook. Anywhere I have an account with data I don't want to be exploited commercially, in a way that exploits me personally, I'd delete it just as fast if the service were bought by facebook.
- April Russo (app103)
Zuckerberg is Master of the Universe. He spent 4 hours with Paul Friday. That would have an effect on anyone
- Stephen Pickering
I know I am able to post status updates in Facebook to "Everyone" now, but when will we be able to search these open status updates?
- Kevin Whalen
from iPhone
I can't wait till my mom gets one of my "Queenie" updates....that's gonna b fun...lol..
- Bill Heslin
Kevin, when God, ie Mark Zuckerberg, says you can
- Stephen Pickering
I love FF but I think this is a great move. If FB takes the best ideas from FF and they open it up theres is so much potential for a great community.
- Gary Gannon
Definitely see what happens... Not looking forward to Facebook turning this into a free-for-all like Facebook :-)
- Maria Reyes-McDavis
Gary a potential for $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
- Stephen Pickering
Not going anywhere for the time being. I'm not a big Twitter fan, and unless FB makes some big time changes, it just doesn't do it for me. Will be listening for any other social media that might come round the bend.
- Bonnie Foster
We are getting tired of all those constant platform changes, aren't we?
- Harald Felgner
Herald and Stephen, Yes! More and different is not always better, just more and different.
- Melanie Reed
I can't leave Facebook. I have too much built up there. And that won't do anything anways. It will just be a small blip to them.
- Mathew™ one of a kind
so what content aggregator in the absence of FF?
- WarLord
My apologies if this has already been asked, but Robert you are very close the FF team. You had no idea this was coming?
- Ben Hanten
I'm not leaving. I like FriendFeed and Facebook.
- Kimber Scott
Ben: not one iota. I did sense that they were struggling to figure out how to compete, but didn't think they would sell. Paul always told me he didn't want to sell.
- Robert Scoble
Robert - I'm confused - on the one hand you've said this is such a great thing for FF as well as FB - but on the other hand you also say you're leaving FF because of of it. Why - if this is such a great thing for FF?
- Matthew Blaisdell
WarLord: there isn't a good aggregator. That's why it's stupid to delete your feeds.
- Robert Scoble
OK, a friend talked me down. He told me I'd be saying sorry for starting this post by the 400th comment. He's usually right. So, instead of saying sorry, I'm going drinking. See ya in the lobby in 10 minutes!
- Robert Scoble
I may be dense about this, but why would you leave until you saw which way it was going?
- Jerry Kidd
Good question, Jerry. I wanna know this, too.
- Brad Williamson
Robert, I think he struggled with it, but 4 Hours with Mark is a big persuasion
- Stephen Pickering
Matthew: I expect that the engineers will get put onto Facebook. So, if the smartest people are working on Facebook and not on FriendFeed, why would I stay here? Why wouldn't I start moving my work and social graph and all that over to Facebook?
- Robert Scoble
LOL...there ya go Robert...I knew you would come around...Drink Drink!!! have a really nice cocktail...
- Bill Heslin
The people I've come to know on FriendFeed are what I'd miss though, so I'd like to take my social graph with me wherever I might end up next. There's a business opportunity right there.
- Aaman (Clone of FF)
When I think about it - I found your post as well as the TechCrunch article via Google Friend Connect. So maybe it is time to join that Wave!?
- Harald Felgner
Jerry: I said I was going to wait until I talk with the team more, but the things I'm hearing tell me they've already been bought to work on Facebook proper. So, unless someone tells me that's wrong, that tells me I should spend more and more of my time over on Facebook and not here. But my friend convinced me I'm being hasty and emotional. :-O
- Robert Scoble
Mathew: Scoble said early on in this thread that he invests his time into emerging networks, not things that "are already here" I think thats why he will be moving on to the next big thing, like google wave or watchever new social network emerges out of this. I suspect that another startup will emerge to try and fill the shoes left behind by friendfeed. This is always the case. When napster left, you had morpheus and kazaa, then bit torrents.
- Bryan Lee
Robert - Makes sense - except that it still doesn't seem like a great day for Friendfeed - if it just gets abandoned (by FB as well as by leaders like you...)
- Matthew Blaisdell
Matthew: FriendFeed=Facebook. It's a great day for both. Cause I'll end up at Facebook either way! :-)
- Robert Scoble
Anyway, these are just the emotional ramblings of someone trying to figure out how the world shifted today. Have fun!
- Robert Scoble
clue to the denouement: where is the most valuable processing of this event. Right here.
- Steve Gillmor
I'm just curious what new startup will roll into the limelight because of this announcement?
- Bryan Lee
Robert, FriendFeed != Facebook - look at the quality of commentary/people here
- Aaman (Clone of FF)
FriendFeed can stop improving right now, and I'll still stick around until something else catches up. Maybe that something else will be Facebook. I'll wait and see.
- Bruce Lewis
I'm probably out. Back to open source for me at this point. Time to take another look and see how things have progressed with Laconica, JaikuEngine, NoseRub, and some of the other secondary options. I may also go crawling back to Twitter. Given a choice between Twitter and Facebook... sigh...
- Ken Sheppardson
Monique: It's not about rapid change, it's about where to invest effort. I don't really have any interest in investing my time and energy on Facebook... so why wait?
- Ken Sheppardson
Steve: Yeah, you're probably right. I appreciate the work Bret, Paul, Benjamin, et al have done, and I was really looking forward to where they were taking things... before they were taking it to Facebook.
- Ken Sheppardson
I think I will just stay on twitter, because I can't stand facebook.
- Tomy Thomson
Stephen: FF has died? Well, then, how am I typing to you?
- Robert Scoble
Tomy, why change? You can listen to the Beatles and the Stones!
- Stephen Pickering
Ken: it's all good. they're moving to a radically larger playground, and they can't afford to abandon those who appreciate them
- Steve Gillmor
They will keep FF just will make it better
- Johni Fisher
I'll wait to learn more before making any decisions
- Herb Hernandez
Robert, well, metaphorically. Whether its a few months or a year
- Stephen Pickering
Tomy: Twitter is like Facebook but without likes and comments. Oh, wait, Facebook is a lot like FriendFeed already. I just commented on Louis Gray's item there. Oh, and there's applications. We can play games! :-) Herb: I'll try to go see the team next week. I'm also interviewing Yelp.
- Robert Scoble
But Steve, what if the larger "playground" turns out to be very different from the one pitched to them? What if the FF team finds that their vision isn't shared after all?
- Bruce Lewis
Robert, ok maybe you are right. Maybe it will be like the R&D. That would be great!
- Stephen Pickering
Stephen: are you trying to get on the Gillmor Gang? We seem to kill things before they are really dead there too.
- Robert Scoble
Hey Robert , you make friendfeed slower ! I guess you should leave here really x)
- Melissa Taylor
Anyway, I'm going drinking. For real this time.
- Robert Scoble
I'm planning on easing out of Friendfeed in the next couple of days, so I can get the contacts of people I know on here and who's opinions I value.
- Jon, the Chilled Beartato
Steve, oh yes, If I were him, I would pull out all stops to get this team. I totally understand from a business perspective, all perspectives
- Stephen Pickering
@Steve @Bruce, here's the post http://jungleg.com/2009... -- it's a crazy idea but GR could make an extra effort and put up a better web experience
- Jorge Escobar
I like FriendFeed, a lot, but too few of my friends use the service to make it really useful. So I guess I'll leave.
- Adam Washington
Adam, stay, if even only for the aggregating features
- Stephen Pickering
YES he's sitting in the back laughing while drinking Peppermint Schnaps
- Jeunelle Foster
Scobles outta here. He went to get a life! hehehehehehehe
- Stephen Pickering
totally staying....this really is just the beginning....and, i just built FF into all of my Intro to Soc sections!!!!
- Chad Gesser
I thought you said you'd hand in there until they turn the last server off. What changed your mind?
- Paul Chaney
Speaking of Google. What was the point of them buying Jaiku and doing nothing with it?
- Bryan Lee
I'll at least stay for aggregation and extending 140 character tweets, and pray maybe it will become Facebooks R&D, but I know that's a longshot
- Stephen Pickering
I should get a life too but alas the temptation is too great for "attention whoring"
- Jeunelle Foster
Regarding the "team's plans", I really don't expect to hear anything from Bret, Paul, et al. At this point I'm happy to let the Facebook (i.e. the non-FriendFeed) folks try to convince me that they're ready to do things differently. That involves more than just hiring a team.
- Ken Sheppardson
Well, maybe Paul can influence Mark not "to be evil"
- Stephen Pickering
those who think FB has any choice but to go down the FF road are not thinking this through
- Steve Gillmor
@Stephen, I was alternating between friendfeed and twitter (stones and beatles, respectively :P) but I don't see the point in staying with a dying technology, which unfortunately is where friendfeed is headed. The tech of friendfeed itself will hopefully live on in facebook. I really think facebook has become a slightly less obnoxious version of myspace, and that's being nice.
- Tomy Thomson
Steve, Oh, I totally understand. It was genius of them. Proves how Mark is indeed Master of the Universe
- Stephen Pickering
Steve, self-interest does not guarantee anything. People and companies can act irrationally.
- Bruce Lewis
So Steve, do you see two separate properties indefinitely? Or does Facebook just slowly start too look more FF-like, then one day they redirect friendfeed.com to facebook.com?
- Ken Sheppardson
*eye roll* thread is getting to the point where it's too long and people are now asking questions that have been answered thrice.....Lock down time.
- Matthew DeVries
ff was the important value, not twitter
- Steve Gillmor
Steve, why didn't Ff take over FB? Yeah Facebook has the money, but it's the inferior product.
- Matthew DeVries
Oh sure, who do you want in your office, Ev or Paul Bucheit? Paulllllll!
- Stephen Pickering
Stephen, didn't the TechCrunch article say that the FF team would be split between two bosses, neither of which was Mark?
- Bruce Lewis
That's right. Paul may end up running that thing, or at least be No.2
- Stephen Pickering
@ Robert: The majority of apps on FB are useless imo. Every time I log on I get bombarded by 'add your relative' and 'blackjack' app requests. And don't get my started on the quizzes and other BS. Ah well, I will join your fan page on facebook!
- Tomy Thomson
Wow - isn't this jumping to conclusions? No one has said anything's going away, nor do we know what they're doing to do with it. Stick around, wait to see what happens, then jump. Nothing's happened yet - I think it will all be for the better in the end and you'll know where to go when the FF Team says Jump.
- Jesse Stay
Kurt, he's gonna sit on it for a while, see what shakes out
- Stephen Pickering
jesse skip to the bottom for the apology
- Steve Gillmor
The FF Team hasn't let us down yet, have they? I still trust them - only when they break that trust do we jump.
- Jesse Stay
@Scobleizer I've been on Google Wave for about a week working on an interesting idea I have for it. It's very promising but its very alpha right now. You won't find it worth your time just yet.
- Noah White
Ah - sorry Robert - didn't see the clarification towards the bottom. Thanks Steve.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse, you still in the Boston area?
- Bruce Lewis
Why rush to judgment? Even if the "team's plans" are off-base, what's the base? And what's off? Experience, resourcefulness, respect for users and smarts under fire all matter more than "plans." Wait & keep seeing.
- Doc
What the hell? Just because someone buys FriendFeed everyone has to ditch it? ABORT SHIP, ABORT SHIP! Doesn't really make sense so soon. Has anything changed yet? Is it the end of the world? Don't just leave because everyone says they will either. Stick around, the ship is still afloat.
- Nick Humphries
But, if they did pull the plug, with bandwidth and computing halving every year, there would be another one of these pop up in no time
- Stephen Pickering
I don't see a point in leaving Friendfeed until the doors close on us... if and when that happens.
- Alex Knight
Actually facebook is the most popular rss reader of all time :)
- Christian Burns
from iPhone
Bruce, we just left today. I'm actually in Niagara Falls, NY right now. Just finished watching a beautiful view of the Falls at night.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse, if anybody can persuade me (us?) that Facebook is going to be good for the FF team it's you. Maybe write a blog post or something.
- Bruce Lewis
I'm in it to win it. FF isn't shutting down tomorrow or next week. But it's funny to me that so many dicuss the content... It's the connections made with others that are in jeopardy, not the LOLCat photos...
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
from fftogo
Because of Quantum Wave effects there are an infinite number of Universes, some of which The Gillmor Gang is still broadcasting
- Stephen Pickering
Bruce, I'll be working on a post really soon. Also, Louis Gray and I are going to record a phone call about it tomorrow, which I think should prove useful. I've got a lot of knowledge about Facebook, and he does about FriendFeed.
- Jesse Stay
Kurt, oh yeah, I totally get that and so does Scoble, but you've got to understand his short term hurt. Look at how much energy he put into this thing, and what did he get? Nuttin
- Stephen Pickering
You mean McLuhan is in Scoble's body? He's in the movie Being Robert Scoble?
- Doc
Nonsense Stephen he gets paid in attention every single time
- Steve Gillmor
I was wondering how long this would take to happen. Soon as I saw FF being purchased by Facebook I knew you would bolt. Not 100% surprising.
- Christopher Mercer
Part of beauty of FF: all their shows are taped. And yet open ended.
- Nick in Manila
It depends how much FF changes. No reason to leave until and unless it gets annoying.
- Igor Goldkind
It's "I'll respect you in the morning."
- Sean Gallagher
Oh, I'm not leaving. Hell, I even still have a myspace account. It's just a question of engagement
- Stephen Pickering
Good night all. Tip for Jeunelle: You get more attention if you make your feed public. Make a group for your private stuff.
- Bruce Lewis
they'll have to scrub this one pretty good before they shut it down
- Steve Gillmor
@scobleizer that means half of the total activity on friendfeed will be reduced
- Sidharth Dassani
Maybe if Facebook hadn't stolen all Scoble's data, he'd stop worrying and learn to love them.
- Sean Gallagher
Actually even os Brasileiros are coming over to FB
- Stephen Pickering
My mother is on Facebook. The end is nigh.
- Sean Gallagher
"Maybe Jeunelle doesn't want attention" - says who? I only stepped away to pour me a nice glass of Sauvengion Blanc", and thank you Bruce for the advice I'll look into that tomorrow. After all tomorrow is another day. Twiddly Dee
- Jeunelle Foster
there is no reason to leave. I seriously doubt facebook will kill it.
- Logan Lindquist
Maybe if I blog my twitter of Scoble's FriendFeed and then link it from Facebook via a Digg of a del.icio.us bookmark, it will create a singularity and this thread will have never happened.
- Sean Gallagher
Can someone comment on what April Russo said about Facebook content policy? Seems like a very important piece of the puzzle.
- metalerik
I wouldn't worry about it. The markets will take care of it. If Facebook becomes evil, the masses will fork somewhere else. We're in the age of Openness
- Stephen Pickering
I will only leave friend feed if it becomes a facebook clone. I can't stand facebook but I still use it cause my friends and family use it, but if friendfeed becomes annoying like face book then I see no point in staying here.
- Colide81 (James)
from iPhone
You know Sean maybe smarter than he looks....hmmmmm :) and what's with that bird head?
- Jeunelle Foster
Quote of the Day: "Microsoft and Twitter deserve each other. They are both somewhat buggy and don't come up with new features very often. ;-)" - Robert Scoble
- Diego Barros
It's a starling fledgeling. The perfect symbol for social networking-- it eats whatever you give it, then poops on you.
- Sean Gallagher
That's what I want to reincarnate as....an angry poopin bird
- Jeunelle Foster
Just reading all the news about FF and FB. Disapoints me personally, biz wise nice job. Um not a huge FB user so I don't know what my plans are yet. Like you wait a bit and see....
- Bryan Thatcher
from iPhone
I hope FF doesn't go away and fold in to FB. I don't need FB. It's like bringing a machine gun to a knife fight.
- Diego Barros
I won't leave FF until they make me or there's no community left. Whichever comes first.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Well, it's made me think twice about vesting too much into any one service (so has the demise of tr.im). I use Facebook, Twitter, Livejournal, and FF all pretty equally, so I guess I'm not feeling this as much as some.
- Bill Kinney
Jannifer, Yes we will on his JS-Kit Echo commenting system he will put on his blog. It's real time like this
- Stephen Pickering
I'm leaving. Google Wave, Twitter, Reader will plenty suffice now. Farewell, former friend.
- Californian
Oh Stephen - I'm not sure what that is... but it won't be like Friendfeed. :-(
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
At some point I imagine I will. I have no interest in joining facebook. When I do depends on what facebook does with ff.
- Quasar
I'm sticking around till FB screws it up. But I was keeping FF separate from FB because most of my FB friends are my born-again Christian relatives who won't like the controversial stuff of mine that makes it onto FF's news feed. Still, I'm going to look for other similar sites. Posterous is one.
- Dennis Jernberg
I'm not leaving but I'm not moving to Facebook. The main thing for me is to keep the contacts I've gained from FriendFeed and hope we all can meet on another similar service somewhere somehow.
- Kol Tregaskes
Maybe. But i really want Google Wave invite.
- ★ Soner Gönül
It's hard to say at this point. The only thing that's changed is who pays the server bill. Ask me in a week. And yes, a Google Wave invite would sure go a long way to make this better for me.
- Dale
Leaving a favorite site isn't always a conscious decision for me. The cool site loses its cool and you just kind of drift off.
- Dale
from email
Oh yeah, and I added my Posterous blog to my FriendFeed feed, so you'll be seeing whatever I post there in your home feed here. That is, if you subscribe to me here, or if one of your subscribers likes or comments. Me, leave? Not yet! ;)
- Dennis Jernberg
I'm loyal until they make it worth me leaving.
- Jesse Stay
I'm here until they slam the gates shut. But I am hiding all your BS posts about it being a good thing :)
- jcunwired
If you want to be sure that I quit Friendfeed you have to see my burial. I will never quit while being alive! :-)
- Kolja
I'm staying but it's like when you know that the company you work for has been bought by someone else and might close it, you lose motivation and start looking for another job, it's hard to invest time and energy if there might be no future. Not that the future of FF was guaranteed before but now it does not look good at all.
- M F
I'm heading to Plurk! who's with me? *tumbleweed*
- Iain Baker
Friendfeed is two totally different things: the original RSS aggregation service, and a social network service/community. Lifestream.fm is a reasonable replacement for the former. As to the latter, it's the people, not the tech they're using, that makes FF special. I've benefited greatly as a 'consumer' here, reading posts - if that continues on Facebook, it will probably get me to...
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- SteamCentral
i'll be around until it becomes unbearable, probly until it's been damaged badly by FB style feature creep and riddled with ads and spammers. oh, and absolutely stupid censorship policies. that'll be a real killer.
- Joe Silence is silent
The CloneFeed group has given me some interest. It gives some hope in case FF really goes away or merges badly with FB. I like FB but just don't want to fully mix the two activities/audiences.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
I'd rather keep my Friendfeed as my "professional aggregation" and Facebook as personal stuff. I blog, tweet, etc. stuff that a lot of my friends could care less about. And I post stuff to Facebook that isn't interesting or relevant to clients / followers.
- Gregg Le Blanc
Google Wave is what I am looking for. The problem with moving to Facebook is that I use it for close friends and family so things like comments and pics etc that I post to it I would not want to have available to all of the contacts I have on FF at the moment. Mainly because I like to separate those I know from those that I converse with if that makes sense. I loved that on FF I could...
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- Travis Koger
Whilst I am not 'leaving' FF, I will not be investing anywhere near the type of interaction I have done previous to yesterday's announcement as I just see it as wasted time.
- Travis Koger
I have to wait & see what, I don't want to lose the community; where do I go? This feels like Pownce all over!
- clarke thomas
Nope, not yet. I still dream about FF and FB to coexist. I think Facebook is even more boring now, after this announcement. Anyone else feels this way?
- Patrik Johansson
Not me. I will be glad when all the people who say they are leaving do so my feed won't be full of people saying they are leaving.
- Alan Simpson
FF is my first big social networking investment (or time) - I'll stay and then move, if forced. I'll certainly investigate other tools in an effort to fill any gap left by FaceFeed.
- Jason Miller
I just saw that a woman's twittering her childbirth made the front page of BBC's world news webpage. I don't know to make of it, but I don't want to hang out at Twitter much anymore.
- Mitch
Mitch: we Twittered our childbirth in 2007 and we will again in September, but probably not on our main account.
- Robert Scoble
won´t leave!!! i LOVE friendfeed. @Mitch i know what you mean. So many stories and this is the one they picked?
- Flynn (Michael A. Volz)
i think i'm stayin, and wait what's goin on facebook. i will feel upset if they dont allow the users to make their choice of using one or other site, but looks like they gonna force to use FB instead of FF :(
- Dani Martínez
Not sure how on board with FriendFeed I ever was to begin with to be honest...
- Gurpreet
FriendFeed will be fine - FaceBook is fine - and so is Twitter - I might check out AmpliFeeder, I suspect quite a few FriendFeeders will migrate there as the days go by.
- Chris Loft
Not leaving FF but I can't wait till it's properly integrated with Facebook. Interesting thing: Wave's API is open so there's nothing to stop Facebook creating an app to make Facebook & Wave work great together. Not so much either/or as and... and..!
- Matt Moran
Has anyone tried amplifeeder? edit: so far don't see any friending abilities though
- metalerik
Why leave? But will be open to see other options - facebook doesn't (currently) provide to me what I get here.
- amygeek
OH NO, I just finish moving all my stuff HERE!
- Terence
Robert: I closed down my embeds today. Sad for my blog.
- Mark Essel
I stay on FriendFeed, on Twitter, on Facebook, etc.
- Emmanuel Gadenne
I won't delete my account, but as FF morphs into the ball of confusion that is Facebook, I won't be very active.
- Jeremy Brooks
I will. No point sticking around when you know it is going to die sooner or later. With twitter you still have the hope....
- Davide D'Incau
I'll leave Facebook if FF gets harmed. And go back to Identi.ca... ;-)
- Torrid Luna
Yeah, I'll probably leave Facebook too. If they're going to "steal" the FriendFeed functions and just let FF die, I will not have any sympathies left for Facebook. I'll go "all Google" or something.
- Patrik Johansson
I'll stay on FF, FB and T, and BK, and other, BrightKite is not well utilised, is good even on beta.
- Andy Ghozali
I joined posterous for blogging/lifestreaming and will continue to use twitter. I might go on facebook once in a while, which is what I was doing anyway.
- Tomy Thomson
Robert: If you're looking for an awesome real-time discussion platform, you should migrate to Fluther. http://www.fluther.com
- Ben
I'm staying put and watching the ship sink. I'd really like to believe that FriendFeed will have some longevity, but I won't hedge my bets.
- Tyson Key
Steve Gillmor said "clue to the denouement: where is the most valuable processing of this event. Right here." so for now, FF looks like the space.
- Barbara K. Iverson
I intend to stick around to see what Facebook have planned. I think the takeover has everything to do with the direction FB's been heading in lately, what with their open challenge to Twitter
- Dennis Jernberg
I don't see it as leaving, but rather seeing the possibility that it might leave us. FF was and still is just about my favorite site and uberaggregatorthing that I ever saw....
- Rob Schieber
Nope... I'll stay, even if I ride it to a bitter end.
- Mark "Godt Nyt Ǻr"
depends. if they stay seperate services, i wont like the acquisition,but i'll stay. if they become 1 service, i'm out. and where is every1 going from friend feed anyhow. what else is there?
- echostreamer
Will wait and see what happens with FB
- Ted Kinzer
fb ruins everything. Have the Privacy policy "not "changed since fb came into the pic? Can they not build their own ideas instead of buying everyone else's? leave us geeks to play in our playground and stay in yours. greedy buggers. The second they pull a skanky fb move i'm out. bitches.
- seastarerrin
Leaving no. Checking out other venues yes.
- Martha
Just maybe Facebook will listen to the Friendfeed engineers in charge of user interface/usability starting with the type size and fonts. Not all marriages are made in heaven. Culture clashes are sure to pop up.
- Alan Morris
I was about to focus a little more on FF but since I heard about the purchase and read rumors about FF being integrated in FB and being shutdown and all this, I'm getting a little ... well.. undecided.. Just checked Streamy, didn't like it. If a.tinythread.com get's more development, this might be the next thing to migrate to. I'm sure not moving to FaceBook. I have my account, I have...
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- Dan van Moll
Not interested in being part of Facebook. Goodbye, FriendFeed. :-(
- TranceMist
I wish more folks would see the big picture. We need to focus on independent projects that are NOT part of the Google-Yahoo-Microsoft borg. As soon as a site gets absorbed it is time to find another independent site. Yes, I do realize that some may have actually been part all along and only pretending they were independent in the first place - especially if they were founded by...
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- Internet Strategist
Kevin - I am secretly hoping you can inject your cool logo designs into facebook!! :). Plus the facebook UI does need some FF minimalist UI style and elegance
- Susan Beebe
from iPhone
Gotta say Kevin played it totally cool in the threads yesterday (defending FF). Had to be the best kept secret in the valley.
- Charlie Anzman
I was thinking the same thing Charlie
- Dennis O'Neil
There's time for one more with giant dollar signs.
- Mark Krynsky
Are we already in the state of breakup-sex? The FF-Guys are probably still drunk now from yesterdays party - while we all have a different kind of hangover. I will miss you all - even for the short time we've been together - FB is a lonely cold place for me.
- Alex 'BuckyBit' Covic
Oh, breakup sex, yes. With Posterous, Streamy, the new FF Amplifeeder service... ;)
- Dennis Jernberg
Apprehensive and trending toward depressed.
- James (!?)
If facebook will do a better Twitter with the FF tech - it will be great
- Johni Fisher
I use my real name on two services sparingly. If FB plans to play that stupid game with FF (should it survive), I'll check RScoble's tweets for the next playground. Watching and waiting.
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
Time will tell. Hard to take for those who invested a ton of effort into Friendfeed, but we don't have any choice but to hope that Facebook will morph into something resembling what we like here.
- Louis Gray
Facebook will never be able to morph into what we have here. To do so would alienate the bulk of their users.
- LogEx
Too early to judge. Depends on what happens between the services. Some sort of merging? Abandonment? Each serves a unique purpose for me...too much consolidation would ruin both for me.
- Sally done with 2009
Facebook hired some engineers and killed a potential competitor. That's it. There will be no "merging."
- Christopher A Carr
Mark true - but it's still very sad. The question is, where do we go now? identi.ca?!
- Matt Hooper
Agree with Louis - we can hope that the small crew at FF will have a disproportionate impact at FB, but I think it's highly unlikely. Best case scenario is that FB really does see this as acquiring an R&D Lab and leave Paul & Bret alone to continue to innovate, but I'm not holding my breath.
- Bill Sanders
Hate it. Christopher Carr - EXACTLY - "Facebook hired some engineers and killed a potential competitor. That's it. There will be no "merging."
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
I'm a serious FF loyalist and not ready to jump to ANY conclusions yet. Echo Matt Cutts sentiments
- Charlie Anzman
Mark lol or Jaiku? Charlie - we can only hope that FF will remain intact, but I have grave doubts. I have NO desire for my activities across the web to be pulled into FB if they decide to 'integrate' FF into FB
- Matt Hooper
"InYeahvitable": the roll-ups of pieces will help us all experience the information in more enriched ways.
- lisa padilla
Logical ...good point. A lot of people I know who are FB-savvy never got the point of FF when I showed it to them. If you're not somewhat of an info-junkie, FF has limited appeal. I think that for the majority of people, FB may be enough -- that's why it has mass appeal.
- .LAG liked that
If anything, FB will adopt more FF technology... I don't think FF will change much. They might tie in your Facebook profile as other sites such as Lala do, but beyond that, I don't think it'll change much.
- Gus
cue the song: "Turn out the lights, the party's over"
- Graeme Thickins
Gus: What makes you think that FF will continue to exist as a separate entity?
- Christopher A Carr
Good mediatisation for FB and Mark Zuclkerberg who is in dire need of good news. But alas no strategical sense or content in this move apart from hiring 4 brains and hope they will be welcome by the FB tech teams. Sam for the innovations they will be bringing, does their culture corresponds to Facebook public and flavour ? I do not know, it seems to be a big mess ahead. Let's not forget the poor move Yahoo made in buying out Geocities...
- Thierry Lhôte
Yeah but wont work for me personally. Two different use cases
- Mel Buckpitt
I agree with Matt Hooper: "I have NO desire for my activities across the web to be pulled into FB if they decide to 'integrate' FF into FB." I have different ways I use each and don't want them merged, but there's probably not going to be a choice here. It will put more pressure on Twitter.
- Pat Lovenhart
Yay. It's like anything else where a group of people "knew" about something before it went "mainstream". People get upset when the secret is out and they are no longer elite.
- Ben Foster
To be honest. I would have been more excited if FF and Tweetdeck merged. I like FF but I think it lacks the systems to filter and sort your conversations and channels properly.
- Timo Luege
The whole point of me not using facebook is I don't want facebook in my business. i'm afraid I'm gonna have to go. Lemme guess, tho... Facebook already claims ownership to my data and I can't take it with me and have it dusted out of existence...? Hell,my posts here are probably already selling shampoo or cat litter over on FB. NO thanks.
- abacab
Yeah, good move for FF. But still wonder whether FB could do a similar service like FF on their own and merge into their existing site, their current home page had a lot of "inspiration" from FF anyway. May be it's only the FF team, they just wanted ex-googlers on board.
- Kaan Bingol
The self-destruction of newspapers has been a tragic tale of inattention and hubris. However, it's unlikely News Corp's decision to charge readers for online content will work, or at least, work enough.
- Matt Hooper
LOL - incidentally, some how I'm not following Scoble's Google Reader. I used to - not sure what happened.
- Jesse Stay
I'm confused now - I can't figure out how to follow him - maybe I already am?
- Jesse Stay
Jesse - if you click on the drop-down against 'People you follow' and then click 'Sharing settings' and then there is a hyperlink towards the top of the screen with 'You are following x people'
- Matt Hooper
Robert, yeah, but I wasn't seeing a "Follow" button of any sort. I ended up having to do a search on your name, and next to the search a "Follow" button comes up.
- Jesse Stay
You can't get rid of Robert Scoble. I haven't tried but the crap loads of blogs you will have to go through is enormous. ;-)
- Amir
from iPod
I'm looking for great tech/socialmedia/web blogs that most people have never heard of...the only condition is that they post once a month at least (and that they're interesting of course...) .... and it can be yours.
Wink WInk. Nudge Nudge. :) - But seriously, I have stumbled across a few by randomly clicking stuff here in FF, so hopefully those people see this thread.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
long, analytic articles: http://blog.agoeldi.com/ (english blog from a swiss entrepreneur living now in Boston. Disclosure: He's also one of the authors of the german techblog I'm the editor of.)
- Marcel Weiß
I'd love some more exposure for Shared Creation - http://www.sharedcreation.com. Its starting to turn into a useful resource so any shout out to help it along would be great
- Robert Davies
Mine of course! :) http://www.dailypatricia.com -- i wouldn't say it's a social media blog, but i write alot about the internet platform and business around it.
- Patricia
www.futurity.org showcases original research from universities regarding tech, the web, society, etc. It's actually run by the universities themselves
- LANjackal
One side benefit is that I might subscribe to any here I haven't seen before, which makes them candidates for next months' lists.
- Louis Gray
well http://minZuD.com may qualify as a Tech blog. Its a tumblr tumblelog I maintain. Has a lot of your stuff in it Zee. It's easy on the eye and is something I am proud to maintain.
- ZuDfunck
Web/tech/social media - check.... Nobody has heard of - check... Once a month - check.... Interesting - I'll let you be the judge. http://www.jimyiapanis.com
- Jim
http://www.socialfeds.com | Blog with a gov2.0 "roundup" front page, topic is social media/new media in the government.
- Sara
http://www.communityorganizer20.com/ - this focuses on social media/web uses by nonprofits. Some of it is very basic, but there isn't any other blog like this that's not just basically self-promotion for some consultant.
- Amy℠
Hi Zee- one of the ones that I enjoy is Paul Bradshaw's Online Journalism Blog at http://onlinejournalismblog.com. He focuses on worldwide online journalism but integrates tech, tech analysis and the analysis of the ever-changing state of the web. - submitted by Debra Askanase
- Debra Askanase
since you asked my own www.the-techshop.com
- Rob Cairns
Everyone has heard of this one, by Valeria Maltoni, but I HAVE JUST GOT TO SHAMELESSLY PROMOTE this blog: Conversation Agent!!! I love that blog!!! http://www.conversationagent.com/
- J. D. Ebberly
I write http://www.bagofspanners.com - I'm a software developer / web designer - it's filled with stuff I have discovered, found interesting, or want to remember :)
- Jonathan Beckett
I recently launched Social Photo Talk, focusing on the intersection of social media with the photography industry (specifically aimed at photographers): http://www.socialphototalk.com
- Aaron B. Hockley
This is perhaps a dumb question, but is there a limit to the number of connections you can have with a free LinkedIn account? I am sure I saw a message somewhere on LinkedIn which said something like "You may add x many more people" but I can't find the message for the life of me now! Any clues please? Thanks.
@Mashable are better than this...They're saying sharing on Facebook is now more popular than sharing by email because a sharing startup called "add to any" says so... - http://mashable.com/2009...
stopped reading Mashable many months ago here
- Matt Hooper
i think mashable have done great and over recent months their content has been better than ever. But this particular post is a load of rubbish unfortunately
- Zee.
If they have something worth reading, I figure I'll pick it up either from a GReader contact sharing it or someone liking, sharing and discussing it here :)
- Matt Hooper
I can even understand a bait headline, but nowhere in the article is there any skepticism regarding whether this reflects the real picture.
- Mahendra (SkepticGeek)
MG: it's true, you've really raised TechCrunch to a whole new level. If Arrington has one good attribute it's he hires great people. Heather Harde, FTW!
- Robert Scoble
so true, most folks i talked to switch to other carriers due to all the dropped calls
- suscraig
This is true, MG is the main reason I haven't scraped TC completely off my reader, only subscribe to his feed and occasionally hit the front page to see what controversy the rest are starting.
- Jimminy Fuller
yeah definitely true. I've been reading TC for a while and lots of people there do a great job. But I've come to expect that if I'm reading something really good and of interest to me, it was probably written by MG
- Chris Brakebill
Though I still hold a slight grudge against his Lakers fandom, but I can't blame you for the Magic's shortcomings....
- Chris Brakebill
best writer on staff, whatever mike is paying sarah he should give to MG and more
- sean percival
MG: anytime you do something interesting you gather both fans and haters. Screw the haters.
- Robert Scoble
yay, keep praising him and someday he might do what every popstar does when they become bigger than the team|band|whatever: go solo. mgcrunch.com is avaiable, go get it MG :)
- Diego Sana
MG always does great work. On target and aimed in the right direction.
- Ken Camp
MG's headlines beat the pants off anyone else's headlines.
- Matt Cutts
agree wholeheartedly with you, Robert! MG's writing has made great reading of late and his output has been pretty prolific too! Keep it up, MG :)
- Matt Hooper
thanks again guys, always nice to be appreciated - especially when you're at home on a sat night working :)
- MG Siegler
AT&T sucks around SoCal. Seems they are now hanging out in more bars in more places. =P
- RAD Moose
I like him too, I once said so, but he didn't thank me! But I am a nobody :D
- Mark
I guess if you write 12 posts a day you should be appreciated. Thumbs up!
- Nir Ben Yona
Naa he does write mostly good posts and they don't contain 20 links to other techcrunch articles as citations usually.
- Mark
I wish in real life you could cite your own work as evidence in a piece of academic work, it would make life so much easier :D
- Mark
Hey Robert check this link out, this might be important for the 2010 Web (or Real-Time Web, or Web 3.0) on a purely TECHNICAL basis http://bit.ly/MGTechCrunch
- Mark
I agree so much with these compliments. Always was a fan of TC, but really MG has taken it to the next level. Consistently great stories on a daily basis. If I had to complain about anything, it would be that you guys are starting to get close to TOO many posts a day.
- Daniel Zarick
I'm admittedly not very techy and don't read Tech Crunch with the exception of the the things that MG Siegler writes and posts to his feed here on FF.
- Derrick
wow, this mob is getting out of control! - quick scoble, disable the comments before we hurt some feelings! :-)
- Chris Heath
OMG... I didn't even realise you could pause it. I so need to do that...
- Mellissa
Quick, someone tell me how to pause this thing?!
- Mellissa
real time - I don't follow enough people to make it crazy
- BEX
The real-timers are coming on strong. Now 7-5 +1 who doesn't know how to pause. Melissa, there's a pause button at the top of the bar just to the left of you're profile picture.
- Mark Krynsky
Current count Realtime 20 vs. Paused 11. Interesting results, although Paused is the minority so far it's still a pretty significant number of people.
- Mark Krynsky
mixed... realtime with manual pauses 'q-key'
- mikepk
I prefer real-time, though I sometimes forget to pause when I'm reading a long thread, then it disappears and I have to shuffling around to find it. ><;
- Arlan Koizumi
Mostly paused, but once in a while I really like watching real time.
- Robert Scoble
mostly real-time; if I there are a bunch of comments I need to read through, I either hit pause or open the conversation in a separate tab
- Andrew Terry
paused. Usually reading on a display with less than 800 pixels vertical, so less wiggle room before an item scrolls offscreen while reading. Have enjoyed realtime mode when using a larger monitor, but generally prefer to scroll at my own pace ...
- Dan Freeman
Real-time. I'm a list ninja. Oops, did i just say Ninja?
- Tibor Holoda
Always real time - via IM, FF Notifier, gmail and the web GUI. Depending what I'm tracking via groups or lists, I use different msg routing.
- zeroinfluencer
Always paused. Don't like it when what I'm trying to read is trying to move at its pace instead of mine.
- David Gaw
Paused mode..in real time it is so fast I cannot even read updates.I prefer sitting and reading an interesting post very carefully ..i usually prefer friendfeed search because it helps me narrow down to what i would like to discuss!
- Samuel Ochanji
Ok, I'm too lazy to count but Realtime won by a landslide. In other news I'm wondering if I've been banned by ffholic. This post has not appeared at all yesterday or today. Not that I care much, I just find it strange.
- Mark Krynsky
Per a script: >>>> (Of 123): Paused:15 | Realtime:72 | (Ambiguous):36 <<<< ..... (?): Paused. Real Time gives me a headache. - Helen Sventitsky (?): Paused for me. I usually only go to real-time if I don't want to interact. Like watching the stream when I'm eating lunch. - Mark Krynsky (?): Only paused. I can't handle real time. - Rochelle (?): Real-time, never paused. - Burcu Dogan...
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- Micah Wittman
Somebody tell Jenna I want to import a VCF file and find all the people on that contact list with shared link blogs.
- Louis Gray
One thing I'm noticing is that if I like or read the same post in different folders, my 'like' doesn't show up for me when i open the post in another folder. The post also seems to remain unread in other folders even if I've marked it as read elsewhere. Am I doing something wrong?
- Matt Hooper
Oh... and would somebody else tell Jenna that having the Like in my Share space throws me off? I had a system! Now I have to move my mouse a centimeter to the right! (After almost 9,000 shares, it was automatic)
- Louis Gray
So if you have a gmail account, it automatically uses your gmail username for the "vanity" link. Can't say I like that as I don't just give my email address out to everybody....
- W_B_K
It's not automatic: "Since you have already customized your URL for your Google profile, you can choose to use a similar URL for your Reader shared items." It only applies if you created a vanity link for your Google profile
- Bwana ☠
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- W_B_K
If I were you, I'd make my shared items protected
- Bwana ☠
Yep, I think that will be what most people will have to do if they don't want their address discovered. vwkess is my "public" face so it doesn't matter to me, but it would be nice if gmail subscribers had the option of choosing their own vanity for the profile instead of being tied to their username.
- W_B_K
The last time I shared with GR was March 30 2009.
- Russellreno
The new Google Reader "like" seems redundant - why copy FriendFeed? The same goes for comments. Use your existing functionality. Show me the number of people that "shared" an item. Share is much more powerful than "like". I don't see myself ever using like so long as I can share. Same goes for comments.
I'm confused, to tell you the truth.
- Robert Scoble
I think the usefulness of the GReader Like will depend on the visibility of the Likes. Saw a good comment earlier today suggesting someone come up with a combined view of all likes across Friendfeed, Facebook, and GR.
- Matt Hooper
Louis, like is not the new share. Share, I thought, was the new like. Now I have 2 things that do the same thing essentially. Like Robert I'm confused - too redundant.
- Jesse Stay
Like is always public. Share can be public or restricted to a list of your Google Contacts. Comments are restricted to a list of your Google Contacts. But more stats would be great.
- LogEx
Share pushes it to other sites, but Like gives a happy warm glow. Like is popularity. Share is useful. I'm working on a blog post of "entertainment" vs. "education"/"utility" and ties right into it.
- Stuart Miniman
A Like seems to me to be a more passive thing... a Share means I'm taking some ownership of the content (in an intellectual or emotional sense, not legal).
- LogEx
Share seems to be a stronger endorsement than Like. The sharer is probably more committed to the content. Comment shows even stronger commitment in my mind. Share + Comment = strongest endorsement.
- Larry Hawes
In that case I'd like my shares to be counted as likes
- Jesse Stay
Interestingly, you can Like your own Shares.
- LogEx
Logical: He, he. I heard you could go blind doing that! ;>)
- Larry Hawes
I think I'm getting it.... I'm thinking of food: "I like this sandwich, and you might too" versus "I think you should have a bite of my sandwich" - there are many times I like to flag something without "pushing" it... I just used FriendFeed's like before
- Erich Zirnhelt
Erich, it's too much complexity. It increases the barrier to entry for those still unfamiliar with RSS (which is the majority). KISS
- Jesse Stay
It is possible to share something and not "like" it. There's an open feature request on FriendFeed to "highlight" items but not necessarily like them.
- Bwana ☠
Inversely, it's a bit fuzzy. When you like something AND want to share it, it's a bit redundant
- Bwana ☠
Bwana yeah, but FriendFeed is already complex. :-)
- Jesse Stay
However in my case, my social graph won't see my likes... only my GR friends... everyone sees my shares... I take that into consideration
- Bwana ☠
Actually, I'm wrong...likes are public to other Google Reader users...but not the rest of the world
- Bwana ☠
I like this new features :D it was necesary.
- Enrique Flores
Anyone know the difference between "Add star" and like?
- Todd Hoff
Todd Hoff, yeah I'm wondering about that too, because I had been using *star* the way *like* is now. I think *star* is liking something privately.
- Andre P. Siregar
Adding a star is more on the order of bookmarking for oneself and is not made public whereas "like" in Google Reader is a stamp of approval that is made public to those who may not be your friends or subscribers to your item feed.
- Jill O'Neill
I agree that it's unnecessarily complex and redundant. When you have the tech A-listers admitting they're confused, you know something's wrong
- Andre P. Siregar
It's rolling out as we speak, but not at 100% yet. If you see a permission denied, wait a bit, then refresh.
- Jenna Bilotta
Must be too eager :) - but, I spend more time with GR than any other app, so excited to see new stuff show up
- Chris Rogers
Chris - hear, hear! I am loving the new way to follow people. The new settings showed up for me about 15 minutes ago when I refreshed GReader btw
- Matt Hooper
thanks! use it for a bit, and then let us know what you think. Always looking for improvements.
- Jenna Bilotta
Yeah, I live inside Reader. Thanks for the new features.
- Chris Baskind
I don't want to share my username publicly - that's the only bummer from my side - don't want to open up the potential for my email addie to be discovered. Appreciate that there are probably good technical reasons why this is this way though :)
- Matt Hooper
I would assume that if there is a hacker, they have an agenda, for whatever reason. I am sure that Mike has an interesting conundrum between a hot news story and deciding what's appropriate to post. Only he knows what he has at his disposal.
- Louis Gray
he's clearly on dangerous ground and he knows it
- Thomas Power
this is when LIKE means DISLIKE but you still want it shared professionally, currently FF haven't solved this one. They will.
- Thomas Power
Thomas - agree re the like vs dislike dilemma!
- Matt Hooper
He is definitely crossing a line for the generating pageviews. Totally uncool
- Keith - @tsudo
I really don't know what to think about it. I'm waiting, that's all.
- Ton Zijp
Rainy day, mood down, Twitter hacked, Windows 7 sold out @Amazon - what a fuxxxing happy day ;)
- Ronald
Louis, as a blogger, what would you think you would do with a zip file of such documents suddenly emailed to you? Sorry to put you on the spot.
- Micah Wittman
Micah, I think I would reach out to the founders of the company and give them their data. The only way I would post anything is if somebody else had already done so, and even then, I wouldn't host the data on my site. A good example of this was when Twitter got hacked last time. I linked to Zee's hosting of the image files on TheNextWeb.
- Louis Gray
Keep in mind that I don't get paid for blogging and don't run ads, so the benefits of page views for me are worth less. A scoop is interesting, but I like the idea of working for it, not having it sent to me by someone who has broken the law.
- Louis Gray
I am disappointed but not surprised by Michael's decision. He is one of the most amoral bloggers I know (note I did not say *immoral*; there's a difference).
- Adam Lasnik
Louis you are without doubt THE BEST in this place and the best on the Internet. Life's Good Louis Gray. These stats are not an accurate reflection of this place http://ffholic.com/Users...
- Thomas Power
Yeah, you better watch your words, Adam, before he catches us on mobbing again.
- Ton Zijp
TechCrunch... the Fox News version on the Web. Tabloid dirty journalism at its best. How are they not an accessory to a crime here? Oh that's right, it is in the public interest and newsworthy.
- Travis Koger
Unfortunately, from what I understand, Michael was subjected to not only a ganging-up on but also some absolutely uncalled for and likely illegal threats. It's a shame that discourse online so often has to take a turn for the mobbish, heated, and even violent. Michael has said and done enough other stuff to warrant critical yet civil commentary without having hotter heads obscure the issues :(.
- Adam Lasnik
Micah I'm so glad you asked Louis the question and I completely agree with Thomas' response about Louis. Authentic Integrity is always admirable.
- Keith - @tsudo
I signed up, but when I try to associate my Twitter account with it, I just get "error." LOL FAIL
- Tad
from fftogo
Oh Tad, is there no service you can't break? Try again. :)
- Louis Gray
@Tad we've just tried it and it works. Please retry. Thanks!
- Ethan Gahng
Ethan, I'm trying to hook it up with my twitter account: "tad" It still doesn't work. Are you expecting more letters? I don't get a descriptive error, just the word "Error"
- Tad
from fftogo
@tad hmm.. I typed in "tad" and it connects fine, and delivers all the hashtags from your twitter(like freakyfriday, tad, android, etc.). we will look to see what exactly is happening with your case and let you know. Please hold on. Thanks.
- Ethan Gahng
Stuart - here's the quick deal. 1) An RSS reader follows feeds you have selected. 2) Twitter and FriendFeed follow people you have selected. 3) Lazyfeed follows topics you have selected. Lazyfeed beats an RSS feed reader for finding new blog sources. Lazyfeed beats Twitter and FriendFeed on finding topical information. It's a great discovery engine.
- Louis Gray
Thanks a bunch, Louis. Appreciate it.
- Matt Hooper
Louis: Tried with another PC and still not working for me. Gives me an invalid code error. I've entered it as both "#meganfox" and "meganfox".
- JR Holmes
@JR We've tried and it seems to be working fine. Please retry. Thanks!
- Ethan Gahng
how can i get anything (anything at all!) in the long, column shaped box on the left hand side of the screen? there is a wee box that says "paused", but i can't get anything else to happen there. can the boxes be moved? i don't like the "hot topics" at the top.
- kelly
Kelly, above that is a home navigation bar that says "Enter a word of your interest". Put something in there and click go. Then you can see related items and it should grow from there. Click the Add button to put one in the left bar.
- Louis Gray
kelly - there's an "add" button at the top of each topic's page. Click on it and it will move the topic into the left column. Also, the update "pauses" whenever you hover your mouse over that area. You can also hide "hot topics" by clicking on a gray tab attached just below the hot topics box.
- Ethan Gahng
Vinko - it should work. please go to www.lazyfeed.com and retry.
- Ethan Gahng
Ethan, yes some others are also able to sign up with #meganfox but for some reason I keep receiving "Invitation code is invalid.(1)"
- Vinko
PS: Ethan, I tried it with Safari 4.0.2 and Firefox 3.5
- Vinko
Vinko - it seems that you are entering #meganfox from www.lazyfeed.com/signup. This is not the page. Please go to www.lazyfeed.com
- Ethan Gahng
Ethan and Niels, thanks. I'm not sure why I went to Sign Up right away and not see the Home page as the place to enter #meganfox. Is this a UX problem? Or just me?
- Vinko
Thanks Louis! I've added a bunch of topics and I'm getting interesting results so far. The only services I've added are twitter and del.icio.us. So, where are all the related stories coming from? I'm not complaining; just curious.
- Michael Fidler
gee, and after only a few hundred ...
- Joel Bennett
Yes, all gone. Thanks for the support guys! and Thank you Louis. Those who didn't get in this time: Please follow @lazyfeed and we'll let you know when there's next release.
- Ethan Gahng
Charbax: do you have Chrome OS? I'm sure it will, because it works in Chrome now.
- Robert Scoble
They're starting to get the Snag It features embedded.
- Darren Chun
in addition to the prioritization you mentioned, we've had stuff like Unsubscribe http://bit.ly/Fq1aK for a while in ClearContext. Outlook 2010 additions are a good step, but we've got a few tricks up our sleeve to make 2010 much better just like we did for Outlook 2003 and 2007!
- Deva Hazarika