Congrats, real good choice that I am sure you will enjoy - Fred Grott
@Louis yeah, I was tempted to mess with people and post pics of myself at FriendFeed and various other places, but decided to come clean. [Note: I still think FriendFeed would be an awesome gig too...] - Jeremy Zawodny
amazing how it fell apart when it hit the ground, gotta love their building codes - clarke thomas
Now that's unbelievable (oh wait...). Shame the description is filled with things like "Cats Funny kitten hilarious sparta dance youtube gato katze accident dogs puppy Animation, Blooper, Improv, Parody, Pranks, Series, Short Film, Sketch, Spoof, Stand-up, Video Blog, Evolution robot dance Athletics, Business, Communications, Computer Science,sex Avril Lavigne NYC Street xxx boobs"; makes it look like spam because they're totally irrelevant. - Voyagerfan5761
Looooong, but great read. I often felt at Google, on the sales side of things, we were so smart that we were stupid. I can't tell you how many meetings I sat through where simple solutions (and, probably, the right solutions!) were ignored because they sounded too simple. And we'd spend a full hour coming up with complicated, convoluted, confusing solutions because that's what smart people do, right? Come up with arcane stuff? Agh. It was all gas. Not throwing anyone under the bus -- I was as guilty as anyone else. - Ginger Makela
100-word version: "You're not as smart as you think you are. You need to find people way smarter and more effective than you. You can't find them with normal interviews. A six-month trial period might work, but what super smart person will stand for that? Your only real hope is that you've bumped into them some time in the past, or maybe you can find them by asking around. Good luck, and also I made up this weird phrase which doesn't help." - ⓞnor
Ginger, thanks for sharing your experience at Google. - Mike Reynolds
First page down, giving a Like for that. Continuing to read... - Hutch Carpenter
Really great read, and a true take on the types of "smart" out there. Also, I liked this little add-on Steve had in the comments section: "The Dunning-Kruger Effect has a fourth principle that I didn't mention, which is that as your competence increases, your self-evaluation diminishes. The most competent people apparently tend to rate themselves below their skill level.
" Interesting thought. - Hutch Carpenter
The core of any good engineering culture is deeply allergic to unnecessary complexity. "Fancy" is a bad word; "complicated" is a really, really bad word. Design doc templates have a section asking you to explain why a simpler solution would work. Half my interviewers (having convinced themselves that I could code) were making sure that I wasn't the type to build giant rickety abominations. But a company like Google is too big for any single generalization to apply. - ⓞnor
ⓞnor: "and also I made up this weird phrase which doesn't help" Ha! :) - Bret Taylor
@nor if you do that for every Steve Yegge post you might have a high-traffic blog on your hands - Jeremy Raines
@Ginger: I see that everywhere, not only in Sales… :( - Amit Patel
very cool...that is probably why friendfeed is ramping so smoothly and getting intelligent new features vs. another nameless service that is having severe growing pains. - Pokai
That's excellent hiring criteria -- would you hire them for your start-up. I know from experience that you can't really understand how important it is to work with A-players until you work at a company with mainly B-players. - Todd Nemet
I really prefer to work with @-players and ideally ?-players - ⓞnor
cos-players tend to be irrational unless you get exactly the right angle. - ⓞnor
Question: Why would one of these super-heroic programmers want to work for you rather than launching their own thing? - Adewale Oshineye
Dan should publish a blog with 100-word versions of all of Stevey's posts. I don't have the patience for the long versions. - Jeremy Hylton
I want high quality generic collaborative summarization in general. Not sure how it would work, it's really easy to warp and distort things when boiling them down, and way too easy to take cheap shots at the author (as I did above). - ⓞnor
“I finally tried out some wikis. I'm unimpressed. Google Sites and PBWiki seem like they might be ok, but Google doesn't offer custom domains and pb charges $100/mo!”
The others were all too confusing to me. Also, it took me like half an hour to sign up for PB wiki because they require email verification (why?) but their email took a long time to arrive. - Paul Buchheit
I use Google Sites with a custom domain (within Google Apps FYD), so I can access my wiki at sites.mydomain.com/whichsite . When it comes to wikis and hosting in general, I think you're best to find a decent/cheap web host to start with (a hard thing to find, these days) and upload your choice of wiki or CMS software - that way you're not tied down to a particular pairing. And hey. if worst comes to worst, couldn't you just piggyback something on the friendfeed servers somewhere? - Slippy Lane
"email verification (why?)" Perhaps so that when you e.g. lose your password they can safely send it to you, and they won't send it to someone else because e.g. you entered johndoe2@gmail.com instead of johndoe3@gmail.com, and the other john doe is someone else? Not sure... - Philipp Lenssen
A local install of mediawiki is one of the best things that's happened to our company. VERY useful as an internal KB. - Jeremy Felt
I need a simple Wiki for a client project with documentation. Which is best? Mediawiki looks OK. We need something dirt simple. - David Risley
David, we use mediawiki, works well for us with the WYSIWYG editor for the non-technical users (wiki text is intimidating to some people). - ben bloch
We've had good results using Google Sites and Wetpaint for dead simple (no markup knowledge required) wikis. But each wiki has its drawbacks, as Paul has noted. We've picked ones that we can work with. - Todd Mundt
Thanks, Todd. But, we most definitely need the wiki locally hosted. - David Risley
Sorry David, I missed that you were looking only for a locally hosted option. I've heard good things about SocialText. - Todd Mundt
Check out wikidot - best wiki farm system out there - David Bausola via twhirl
um, how Google Sites don't offer custom domains? did you try Google Apps? - Ihar Mahaniok
wetpaint is pretty nice, if you don't need/want to host it on your own server...via feedalizr - acedanger
I wrote the Wala wiki, which is a self-contained Perl script that you just drop on a server and start using. http://walawiki.org/ - Brent Newhall
Hey Paul, I know the folks over at PBwiki, but they never got back to me on nonprofit pricing...so I set up my own using Twiki. The result is at http://www.wealthcamp.info/ -- it's running a on a standard LAMP server. It took about an hour to set up, has WYSIWYG editing, user accounts... in other words, it works great. Plus it's nice that it's free. Overall, the setup could be a bit easier (they need to get closer to Wordpress's 5 minute setup than 1 hour), but once it's up and running, it works like a charm. - Erica Douglass
Have you tried wetpaint.com they just got more vc!! - kazi
I'm considering to use the one which is included in Trac as it is easily extensible, written in python and Trac itself looks good... - Daniel Hartmann
I didn't realize that Google Sites could use a custom domain -- I had clicked around for a bit and didn't see any mention of it. That may be the way to go. As for self hosting the software, I have no interest in that. Keeping up with security updates and other administrative activities is a waste of time. (this is a personal project btw, not something for ff) - Paul Buchheit
As someone else mentioned, Wikidot is nice. I have a couple wikis set up there while I work on a localized Mediawiki on a private site. - Batona
Why not just self host a wiki? It's really not that complicated to set up and should take less than one hour... - Ian Holton
Why not self host a wiki? Because you'll forever have to maintain it, upgrade it, migrate it to new hardware, reset its user's passwords and explain how to work around its formatting bugs. That takes a lot more than one hour and will require your attention at random times for as long as you feel responsible for what you've created. If you have the hardware available and a sysadmin with spare time on his hands go for it. Otherwise, Google sites, pbwiki, wet paint or backpack it. - John Murray
Paul, did you look at Deki Wiki by MindTouch? - Mike Doeff
Paul, actually your pricing is wrong for PBwiki as well. PBwiki is ~$100/year for the full business edition and the first 3 users are free. - Tom Kuegler
I'm just playing around with social text right now which is free for up to 5 users, offers options to print to pdf/html (not that you couldn't do that manually anyway) and an offline mode. They are expensive if you want to start using the enterprise hosted version, but they are well supported. I'll have to try Deki Wiki! - Phil Ashman
I found the wiki I built in Google Sites to be almost perfect for writing my novel, and the world-building needed to support the story. - Bill Bittner
I'm going to look into using Google Sites now that I find I can use it for my domain; could be useful. - Benjamin Golub
We use Atlassian's Confluence at the office - Jeff Quinton
What do you mean "please stop helping now" ... ? :-D - Slippy Lane
"That's why we're excited to announce that Casey Maloney Rosales Muller has joined FriendFeed!
In addition to being an extremely capable engineer, Casey also brings academic experience from the MIT and NYU media labs, and very practical experience as the co-founder of the social music startup Jamglue.
Although he just started this week, Casey has already contributed several features and improvements to FriendFeed rooms, which we launched yesterday. Today he added the much requested "character count" feature to Twitter-back." - Paul Buchheit
Welcome Casey... you're resume sounds cool! Already posting features and improvements to prod environment in first week - that's impressive! quick learner! thanks for the cool stuff...keep it coming! Nice hire there Paul! :-) - Susan Beebe
Ears back - smuched nose - I think that cat is a little annoyed - Jason Kaneshiro
"As soon as he puts the camera down, he's a dead man. This is the last straw. Dressing me up as Tinkerbelle the other day was bad enough, but this... this is beyond the pale. Oh Lord, he's probably going to put it up on the interweb, too!!!" - Adam Lasnik
"Remember: I blame FriendFeed for this, and Robert Scoble, Steve Rubell, Dave Winer, and all the rest of the puppets and ex-Techcrunch analysts who, by appearing to rationally debate the pluses and minuses of FriendFeed versus Twitter, suggest FriendFeed even exists in the absence of Twitter. Nik Cubrilovic doesn’t help either with his cogent (except for the Rails part) analysis of Twitter’s scaling problems. Nowhere in this debate (most of it mercifully hidden forever behind the FriendFeed black hole where conversations go to die) was there a word spoken about the fatal Track bug until Jack hit the Off switch.
Now, in the cool clarity of no pulse whatsoever can we begin to rationally approach a solution. Forgetting that Hillary has shown no indication of processing the similar lack of pulse in her White House aspirations, let’s put the blame for all this squarely on the parasite API suckers and their dark master FriendFeed. Good." - Paul Buchheit
I accuse my parents (a little MST3K humor) - Mark Dykeman
My guess is that a good deal of folks who are otherwise technology experts haven't yet mastered the "Hide" option, and seeing Twitter in FriendFeed makes them feel it's simply an echo chamber for Twitter. Hiding Twitter, and/or utilizing the many other sources that are not Twitter here in FriendFeed makes it more valuable. - Louis Gray
Someone pass around what Steve Gillmor is smoking. That is some heavy stuff he's got in his stash. I think I counted 10 words he seriously made up for that post. And why is friendfeed to blame for the XMPP/Jabber shutdown? - Mark Trapp
WTF? This guy reminds me of Gary Busey, but angrier, if that's even possible. - April Buchheit
This article simply doesn't make any sense. Please reword for clarity. - Eric Florenzano
I was afraid when I saw "?" there. And now...no comment... :S - Erhan Erdogan
Is he kidding? I hope he's kidding. FriendFeed exists with or without twitter. In fact, I would love to see twitter removed from FriendFeed altogether. Guaranteed there would still be plenty of conversations revolving around the links shared, the pictures posted, etc. - Erica Baker
I don't follow Twitter at all on FriendFeed. I find it somewhat ironic that one of Steve G's big passions was (is?) "Attention Metadata" and FriendFeed via likes, comments, etc is actually a service that makes great use of attention metadata! - Robert Seidman
I enjoy that this Friendfeed post has more comments than his post on TechCrunch. - Mark Trapp
This is the most buzzword-laden web 2.0 rant I have ever read. It's like he is making words up to describe stuff every other paragraph or so. And.. what's this jab at Clinton in the middle? How random. - Phil (scribkin)
FriendFeed direct posts are really similar to Twitter in my mind. - Hutch Carpenter
@Paul can you share the percentage of FF users that hide twitter posts? - Erica Baker
Gillmor refuses to realize that the comment feature of FriendFeed does indeed add value that Twitter lacks. That's probably the key reason why I MOVED MY conversations to FriendFeed!
Also, the sharing feature is the reason why I like FriendFeed! IF I merely wanted the 'stream of consciousness' of Twitter, I would just use Twitter! I think that FriendFeed 'exposes' the 'chinks in Twitter's armor' - Thomas Ho via fftogo
I think that Mark Trapp's observation is 'priceless' - Thomas Ho via fftogo
It sounds like Gillmor hasn't given FriendFeed nearly enough time if he thinks it's only "Twitter, but slower". I have a great time on here with Twitter hidden half of the time. If anything, let's blame Twitter for so much noise and/or so much conversation due to their issues - Andrew Dobrow
FriendFeed can definitely make it without Twitter...so many conversations occur without Twitter being involved at all. - Chris Rossini
That... made no sense to me. Still dazed from the insanity of it all. I see more conversations here on links and such than on tweets. And really, why is FriendFeed to blame for the Jabber shutdown? Seriously! - Voyagerfan5761
This whole article was most undirectional article, I have read in recent times. I read it twice, and can't make out, what he want to say. - Varun Mahajan
Adam, same here. I personally find the vast majority of twitter messages to be extremely boring and of no use to me. - Aviv
Where are these "siloed conversation spamyards" to which he refers? You could say that about any chat system (if I understand his rather obtuse meaning) and FF discussions are quite cogent and open. (And seem especially so if you've ever spent any time in the Digg comments.) - Ňicķ
I usually keep the Twitter FF feed open. FF is definitely NOT the only app pulling on Twitter's API. Hundreds of sites, clients, etc?. Twitter had (maybe has) time to distinguish itself. Just 'come clean' with regular community updates. (PR time?) So far it's been lame. In the meantime, there's no doubt Friendfeed will continue to increase it's pull. Twitter put the API out there. THEY need to deal with the results, whether they were ready or not - Charlie Anzman
FriendFeed is what you put in to it. If you add all your Twitter friends and nobody else, FriendFeed will appear to be Twitter with siloed conversations, but in that case that's exactly what you asked for. If you don't add a thousand people as friends and convince a thousand people to follow you then you won't see any of this 'spam graveyard' Steve talks about. You get what you ask for, and irrelevance is what you get if you add irrelevant friends. - Kevin Fox
It's also worth noting how much FriendFeed thrived when Twitter had its difficulties this week. That would seem to put a hole in the argument that FriendFeed is primarily a downstream service to Twitter. - Kevin Fox
Whoah, such bitterness. Did someone turn Steve Gillmor down for a job at ff? Or did he post something that nobody read? Me, I think twitter is the one thing that mars my friendfeed experience. - Slippy Lane
I'll repost my translation from Hacker News in case anyone still doesn't quite understand this post: Twitter was down due to a bug in their Jabber APIs. Although FriendFeed does not use this API, I obviously don't know that, so I'll pretend to act smart and smugly blame them for Twitter's downtime. Also, FriendFeed has nothing going for them minus Twitter. Forget about their 34 other supported services, passionate community, and the fact that we already proclaimed them this years Twitter (http://www.techcrunch.com/2008...). Yup, nothing. Now if you'll forgive me, I must return to sucking on the teat of my God that is Twitter. In other news, I am high as a kite. - Randy Pang
OK friendfeed is NOT twitter. Its something else, and I like both. (sticks out tongue)...via feedalizr - Photo Larry
He shouldn't drink before writing for TechCrunch - Alejandro S.
man, I honestly care jack shit about what people post on Twitter, but I find FF incredibly useful. Gillmor is seriously off his rocker with this post (which is the least legible I've seen on TC in a long time). - Chieze Okoye
"As an example, the company spends at least $14 per employee per day on all that free food. At 19,000 employees, that works out to $67 million a year, or about 20 cents per share that would drop to the bottom line if Google were to have the temerity to ask its workers - shudder - to pay for their own meals. Twenty cents is a trifle; analysts expect 2008 earnings of nearly $20 per share. But in a pinch? No-brainer." - darren
Getting rid of the food would be tremendously destructive. It would be like getting rid of the chairs, except worse. - Paul Buchheit
Worse than getting rid of the chairs? - Jim Norris
Doesn't it cost more to hire so many people? The model should be limiting the workforce, while keeping existing employees as productive as possible. Otherwise it's like outsourcing without going overseas. - Chris White
Not having to pay makes the cafeterias much, much, much more efficient. You don't need standard portion sizes, or packaged items, or specific entree/side choices, or prices on menus, or cash registers, or checkout staff, or stored value cards. Nobody has to wait in line to pay, you can have smaller cafeterias, you can put leftovers in fridges for people to take at off hours, and there's less wastage. Having seen this, it's really a wonder why any company *does* charge. - ⓞnor
=@nor. Funny, I remember eating there when they did make you pay, although there were less employees at SGI. :) - Chris White
Another equally obvious idea, which I assume the author thinks is exactly as good as that one, is a company-wide reduction of salaries by $14/day, from the most-valued employees to the least-valued. - j1m
Yeah, they could also start charging employees to use their computers, maybe put a little quarter slot on the side like at the video arcade. - Paul Buchheit
I agree, getting rid of the food would be tremendously destructive. Food expenses are likely minuscule compared to other expenses (e.g., corporate travel, just to name one). Although I suppose putting a quarter slot on the computers might encourage engineers to work less and save electricity? =P - darren
This is why I'm glad that random journalists don't run businesses. Can you imagine the carnage? - Adewale Oshineye
I think it's interesting / telling that there's no way to comment on articles on CNN Money. - Adam Lasnik
"However, Mr. Angry Overreaction Man decided that he now had a problem with me. He confronted me, demanding my camera. Of course, I refused. He got in my face and started threatening me, telling me that I cannot take his photo without his permission. I told him that yes, in fact, I can. He then walked up and bumped into me, trying to act tough. I told him that one more touch and I would call the police.
Of course, he didn’t like that very much, and at that point told me that if I put his picture on the internet, he would call his laywer. I assured him that his photo would be on the internet" - Paul Buchheit
"Mr. Angry Overreaction Man" is the best phrase I've heard all day. Brilliant. - Matt Harwood
Awesome. I think he deserves to be a new meme. Not only put him up on the internet, but make prints and post them all over the place, make tshirts, videos, ytmnd animations, and on and on and on. - Bill Bittner
lets call him MAO - Man with Angry Overreaction - viki saigal
what an inventive way to make sure that your portrait is widely popularized and massively linked to :D - 9000
@viki is that politically correct? (do we care?) - Alex von Halem
@viki Ahem! That's Mr. Angry Overreaction Man to you! (MOAM) - Kevin D. White
From the look of the guy, you'd just better watch out for detached equine crania in your nocturnal rest area. Uh-oh, did Slippy just use an Italian-American stereotype? You bet he did, but just in fun, honest! - Slippy Lane
"The billionaire—Blockbuster's largest shareholder—has bought into a "game-changing" scheme announced last month in which the troubled electronics retailer would be combined with the troubled movie retailer to create a new national chain selling consumer hardware and software." - Paul Buchheit
I've always liked Best Buy better anyway. Circuit City's prices always seemed to be higher than everyone else's. - Voyagerfan5761
Maybe they can merge with the also-troubled Delta and Northwest. Throw in Bear Stearns. So you can be late flying to your foreclosed house while watching a crappy rental on your overpriced DVD player -- all with one company! - Karim
I'm glad Yahoo! Mail has "1-long-click" drop-down menu e-mail account switching. However, Yahoo! Mail has been flaking out ever since the Microsoft takeover announcement in Feb 2008. (1) Sometimes my SMTP outgoing mail is stuck for 2-24+ hrs (2) Every week or so (sometimes more often), Mac Mail & Yahoo! Mail start redownloading my mail, and I have to move 5,000 e-mails to archive. I used to go 3-4 months before this would happen. What's up Yahoo! Mail? - Mitchell Tsai
P.S. I've bugged Yahoo! support & they're no help. If this doesn't clear up, I may have to bug the management. - Mitchell Tsai
This would be a nice feature, but I don't expect it to appear anytime soon. The Google accounts system in general has a lot of weird issues. For example, if I try to subscribe to a Google Group with something other than my currently logged-in Gmail address, it will pretend to work, but then actually subscribe my Gmail account! (or at least that's what happened a few months ago) - Paul Buchheit
Google (not just Gmail) also keeps trying to log me in with my saved Yahoo! address, rather than my Gmail address. - Mitchell Tsai
@Paul: FYI, I was able to subscribe to the FF groups using the friendfeed.com email address, so it may have been fixed. - Tudor Bosman
It would be nice if the browser more easily supported multiple "personas", that way I could be logged into different accounts in different tabs. Maybe the tab could be colored according to which persona is active on that tab. I actually looked into writing a Firefox extension to do this, but it seemed difficult because the cookie jar and passwords appear to be global. Currently the only solution is to run multiple instances of Firefox, but that's really annoying. - Paul Buchheit
@paul - first comment, i too have noticed that with groups, we had that issue with the VB one for a few people ---- second comment, that's a good idea as well, perhaps firefox or another browser can create sub tabs or something, but I suspect that would bring up more resource issues they are trying to get rid of... - MG Siegler
The cookie jar and other per-account stuff is small, so the additional resource requirements should be negligible. I think the big problem is just that it's typically a lot of work to change a global variable into one that is per-tab (assuming my first look at the code was correct). Basically, all of the networking code would have to change a little. - Paul Buchheit
When you are new and all the eyes are on you it is difficult to get a fair opinion that not based around hype or what other people are saying. - Gadiel Rivera
Hmm, well, one seems likely to be a DNS and/or network issue, and the other seems to be a problem with data consistency and reliability. If you can tell which is which, you get a gold star. - Jason Wehmhoener via Alert Thingy