Ruth Kneale
If you're within the interset of librarians and FFers, please say hi & where you're from! (PS: thank you!)
Kicking off, hi from Tucson Arizona. - Ruth Kneale
Hi from Christchurch, New Zealand! - Deborah Fitchett
Hello from Sheffield, England :) - Pete's Got To Go
Hi from Western Australia - Kathryn is a free elf
Hi from Atlanta, GA - ellbeecee
Hi from Laurel, MD - Christina Pikas
Hallo from Helen (an endangered school librarian) from Sheffield, UK - wensleydalelass
Hi from Odenton, MD - Alan
Howdy from Montreal, Quebec. - Megan loves summer
Greetings from Macon, GA - Sir Shuping is just sir
Hello from La Crosse, Wisconsin - Galadriel C.
Hi from South Bend, Indiana - Catherine Pellegrino
Howdy from Oklahoma City! - Kirsten
wünscht Ihnen guten Morgen aus Shippensburg, Pennsylvania - Aaron the Librarian
Hi from Chattanooga, TN! - ωαřмaiden ❤Bassetmom❤
Hey dude, from southern CA - Jaclyn aka spamgirl
Twin Cities are where its at! (MN) - maʀtha
Hello from Maryville, MO! - Kathy
Hi from Toronto, Ontario - John Dupuis
Hi from Livermore, California, as a somewhat-retired "library person" but non-librarian. - walt crawford
Hi from New York, New York. - Stephen Francoeur
Hi From Belcamp, MD. (NE MD) - ♫Maurice the Dolphin♫
Hello from Pullman, WA! - Lorena O'English
Hola from Berkeley, CA! - kendrak
*pictures Ruth putting pins on a map* - maʀtha
hello from Vancouver, WA! - holly #ravingfangirl
hello from lovely and historic Bordentown NJ, settled in 1682. - Andy
Greetings from Niagara Falls. - Blake
Hello from Quebec city! - Dominique Papin
Hi from Chicago, IL - Hedgehog
Y'all are great! Thank you! - Ruth Kneale
Library student waving hello from New Orleans. - Derrick
Hello from Lincoln, NE! - Christa
Hi from Dunn, NC ;) - Mr. The Jason Fleming
Mary Beth from Rochester, MN - Mary Beth Sancomb Moran
Tyler, TX - Angel R. Rivera
Yo from Iowa City/Coralville, Iowa! - laura x
Hi from a circulation desk in Colorado Springs, CO. - Marianne
Hello from south-central Minnesota (and my living room couch at the moment) - barbara fister
Ahoy hoy from Chattanooga, Tenn. - Wilk
You all are awesome and have helped me a lot - thanks so much! - Ruth Kneale
Joe, from Denver... Well Littleton, not the town of Littleton, an area of unicorporated Jefferson County that is called Littleton according to the post office. - Joe from iPod
Hey! from La Crosse, WI - Jen from BuddyFeed
Hello from New Orleans (but still a Minnesota girl at heart)! - Caitlin from Android
Rachel Lea Fox
Best Night-Sky Pictures of 2011 Named - A dazzling green aurora frames the arc of the Milky Way over Jökulsárlón, the largest glacier lake in Iceland, on March 10. The picture is a first-prize winner in the Second International Earth and Sky Photo Contest's "Beauty of the Night Sky" category. -
Best Night-Sky Pictures of 2011 Named - A dazzling green aurora frames the arc of the Milky Way over Jökulsárlón, the largest glacier lake in Iceland, on March 10. The picture is a first-prize winner in the Second International Earth and Sky Photo Contest's "Beauty of the Night Sky" category.
Wow! - rowlikeagirl
I really REALLY want to see the northern lights. I've been told you can seem them from our area from time to time. So neat. That shot is gorgeous. - SAM
SAM, I got to experience them once in Alaska (and once from the window of a plane, that was cool but not as good), it was the most amazing experience ever! Definitely one of my top 10 sites ever!! I hope someday to do a trip planned around getting to see them again. The way they move is just incredible. I highly recommend trying to see them if you are able!! - Rachel Lea Fox
Awesome Brent!!!!! Do you have photos? - Rachel Lea Fox
I have photos from my Alaska experience. But it was my first digital camera and they aren't that good. :( - Rachel Lea Fox
nice :) - sofarsoShawn
Awesome! - Iván Abrego
holly #ravingfangirl
tuna casserole. another top comfort food.
Fo shiz. - Jenny
:| - Bren from iPhone
what's that all about, bren? - holly #ravingfangirl
Tuna casserole makes me the opposite of comfortable. - Bren from iPhone
Bren's a sensitive type. :P - Jenny
I'm not sensitive, I just don't like tuna casserole. :p - Bren from iPhone
If you say so... - Jenny
I do. - Bren from iPhone
that's okay, we all have our flaws, right, B? ;) - holly #ravingfangirl
julio speaks sage wisdom there. - Jenny
I have more than my share. Who is Julio? - Bren from iPhone
I like it - maʀtha
holly = julio - Jenny
Look at me being unhip again. - Bren from iPhone
I must learn to make this.... - Rahsheen
Oh no, tuna comes in sandwiches... not hot! Eugh ;-) - wensleydalelass
Absolutely. And for a quicker version, it's creamed tuna on toast - basically unconstructed tuna casserole. (My husband thinks it's a fate worse than death. Won't even try it. But it's comfort food from my childhood.) - Mary Beth Sancomb Moran
Do you have a signature scent/fragrance/perfume/cologne? Or a few different ones that you wear? Or none at all?
different scents for different seasons, times of day, and occasions. - Bren
I have 3 or 4 favorites. - iTad
None. I have a few body sprays (from Bath & Body Works) that I'll spray on for special events but I don't wear anything regularly. - Rochelle
I buy decants of perfumes so I can keep a range of scents and not spend a ton. - Kisha
I have a few different ones, but I mostly wear Karma from Lush. - vicster.
I rarely ever wear scent, but I have a bottle of CK Happy. - Heather
i have one and it's been out of production since 1991. mine is almost gone. i seldom use it, tho. - Big Joe Silenced
I don't often wear a scent, but I when I do it's honeysuckle oil, sometimes jasmine oil. The past year, I wore an oil called Oatmeal Cookie. - Anika
Can you wear oils, Cecily? I only wear them due to my sensitive nose. Most people assume that what they smell is a body wash or conditioner. - Anika
Fave perfume is Hanae Mori - blue butterfly but I'm not allowed to wear fragrances at work. It's the rules. I usually use oils and mix them up. I have a jasmine, vanilla, tea rose, chocolate, amber, honeysuckle and Ananya(this one from The Body Shop). - Gabrielle
On second thought, I think I do. I've used cocoa butter soap for so long, that should probably count. - Michael W. May
I have a few. They make me feel pretty and clean! - Jenny...
I wear narciso rodriguez when I can remember to put it on. But I'm so used to wine tasting that I rarely remember to put on perfume. (it's poor form to wear anything scented while wine tasting) - Hookuh Tinypants
I usually wear Romance by Ralph Lauren - Elena
I don't wear perfume- I am one of those "sensitive" types who gets ill from perfume/cologne. I just like it when people bathe regularly with, like, soap and stuff. ;) - Jenny
None. Just my O-Natural/Eau-de Bee-uuutiful Musk. - sofarsoShawn
Tuna Fish Sandwich #SteveMartin - Big Joe Silenced
*follows Shawn too closely* - Jenny from Android
the ocean - chaz2b
Calvin Klein's Contradiction or Chanel's Mademoiselle. I need to buy another bottle of Contradiction. - Zulema ❧ spicy cocoa tart
Sexual Femme by Michel Germain is what I wear most days. I like Poppy by Coach as well. - Tamara J. B.
I haven't worn any cologne in years. I'm out of the habit. - Ha3rvey (on hiatus)
I don't wear cologne. Period. - #cryptic
no. for years, most perfumes just gave me headaches. they mostly don't bother me anymore, but I still don't wear them. we also have a fragrance-free workplace here. - holly #ravingfangirl
Caroline Herrara 212 Men. it smells gooood - Mike Nayyar
none at all, most bother my breathing. - VALZONE#SCREWED
I wear different Black Phoenix Alchemy Lab stuff as well - those are just about the only ones that don't give me migraines. - Jennifer Dittrich
I've worn Victoria's Secret's Heavenly for a few years now. I dont wear much else; most give me a headache. - ωαřмaiden ❤Bassetmom❤
Tom Ford - RAPatton from iPhone
I love Jovan Musk. But over the last few years I've also come to like CK One and Imari Seduction by Avon. I don't mind Paris Hilton either (shutup). - Melly
Hugo Boss Dark Blue. - Steven Perez
Carolina Herrera 212 Men - xero
Unicorn tears. - Josh Haley from iPhone
^^^ This - Rahsheen
My signature scent? When I was single it was eau de desperation. Now it's Nuttin' But Happiness. - Just another Bubba from fftogo
None - David Cook
I have really sensitive allergies so I cannot wear anything, hopefully I don't smell too much :), you'd have to ask the MC though. - Scott. Cat Herder.
Poeme by Lancome. - Mary Beth Sancomb Moran
Hugo Boss (Red or Original, sometimes the green one) - Shey
Jonathan Hardesty
Worst product name you've ever encountered that's real:
Zashpay - Scoble, Alex Scoble from YouFeed
Aciphex. - Rochelle
Spermies - chrisofspades
"Smell my nuts" scented candle. No joke: - Jason Griffey from iPhone
Ro - Aciphex gets me every single time I see/hear the commercials. The worst one I can think of right now is called "Colon Flow". The main reason I think it's such a bad product name (apart from the obvious) is that the name always reminds me of the old Phil Hartman fake ad on SNL for "Colon Blow" cereal. - COMPLICATED MR. NOODLE
You probably meant English ones, but two Japanese drinks I love are Calpis and Pocari Sweat. - Jaclyn aka spamgirl
Jason, I had a good, solid actual LOL over your Smell My Nuts find. - Micah from FFHound(roid)!
Nasalcrom - Kevin Johnson
Plurk - Morton Fox
Ford PROBE - Spidra Webster
I actually miss Anusol. It was hemorrhoid creme/ointment, and it has the word right in there to tell you where to put it. - Ordinarybug Heather
@Spidra, at my alma mater, about a year after I graduated, the VP who was in charge of recruiting and awarding scholarship money was terminated for *cough* inappropriate relations with female students. The "company car" he'd chosen on promotion to VP was a Ford PROBE. I still giggle at this, 18 years later. - Ordinarybug Heather
I'd like to second Cuchini and Nads. - Heather
I'd totally forgotten about Nads. Those silly Aussies. :) - COMPLICATED MR. NOODLE
Bawls ( Actually, the name is not that bad. If you say you can't wait to get some Bawls in your mouth, people look at you oddly. - That's So CAJ!
Handerpants - Kevin (aka ThreadKilla)
PenIsland - iTad from iPhone
EuroTramp (the brand name of a trampoline they had in a gymnastics gym we were in a few months ago) - COMPLICATED MR. NOODLE
tie between yahoo and google - Bruce Lewis
Aciphex always gets me. There is also a university called UTI that always trips me out. - Rahsheen
There's always the web site - Ordinarybug Heather
trojans; it/they were my jr high school mascot (took sex-ed to a truly different level in the 7th grade) - chaz2b
@chaz where'd you go to jr. high? - Jonas, Leper of FF
take your pick, seems it's a popular mascot throughout the land - chaz2b
Wonder Boner. I swear. It's a tool for deboning fish. - Mary Beth Sancomb Moran
Ford Pinto - Brent - Yes I am
Chaz2b, my high school mascot was the Driller. I don't know, you mix yours with mine ... - Brent - Yes I am
Aids. Kinda like Nads I think. - iTad from iPhone
They were actually called "Ayds". And taken off the market shortly after the widespread emergence of HIV, yes. - Spidra Webster
Catherine Pellegrino
Marquis Who's Who: Is it "mar-KEE" or "MAR-kwiss"?
I always assumed "marKEE," but can't prove that. - walt crawford
Everyone around here is pronouncing it "MAR-kwiss," including the Gale rep we met with earlier today, and it's weirding me out. - Catherine Pellegrino
mar-kee - jambina
mar-KEE - Kirsten
I am feeling less like a freak now. I will continue to bastardize the French language as minimally as possible. :-) Thank you, everyone. - Catherine Pellegrino
Reminds me of a visit to Du Bois, Wyoming years ago. I kept insisting it was pronounced "doo bwa." Turns out, it was pronounced by locals as my husband guessed, "doo boys." - Mary Beth Sancomb Moran
I've visited Nevada often enough to know that you can't predict these things--e.g., the first town past the state line on the way to Reno is Verdi: verd-eye, that is. - walt crawford
In Indiana we have a Versailles - that's "vurr-sales" for those wondering how to pronounce it :) - Katy S
You can pronounce my name as fran-curr, and I won't get snippy about it. - Stephen Francoeur
we have a laFAYit - lafayette, naturally - Rachel Walden
Rolla, MO is named for Sir Walter Raleigh - fwiw - Aaron the Librarian
New Orleans is full of these idiosyncratic pronunciations. Starting with Orleans (or-lins, not Or-leens or or-le-ahnz) and there's bur-GUND-dee and Calliope (cally-ope) and many more. - Mr. Gunn
I should note that, to the best of my knowledge, nobody (in Northern California at least) calls the big city about 29 miles from here "San Joe's"--and I've always found it amusing that some (non-California) singers doing "Bobby McGee" pronounce a particular city "Sal-eye-nas" - walt crawford
Occasionally you'll run into British pronunciations of French that is very literal, i.e., "MAR-kwiss" which I think stems from the British disdain of the French. So...if you're speaking with people who descend from Britain, that could be why they're mispronouncing it? - John: Thread Killer
Do you always wear your wedding ring?
because I can see this ( is going to go there. - Nathalie
Yep. Mine never comes off. - Akiva
Yes - Johnny
I don't always wear mine. It comes off when I bake bread or If I'm doing lots of cleaning around the house. Then I don't put it back on for a while. - Nathalie
Yes. Edit: But I slide it half off when it's itching. - Alix May
No; it doesn't fit anymore and I haven't had it resized. - Jenny
Yes. The only time I took mine off was to have it polished, a few years ago. - Stephan Planken
Yes. Always. I slide it around, but it rarely passed the knuckle for more than a few seconds. Wifey takes hers off daily and, if she's not leaving the house, doesn't where them at all. Then, she wonders why I'm not excited about upgrading it. LOL. - Rahsheen
I don't even own one. - Ha3rvey (on hiatus)
My original one is too small now. I wear A ring. My husband never had one. He pointed out that the ring he put on my finger represents HIS promise to me. - m9m, Crone of FriendFeed
I'm not married, but my stepfather doesn't wear either of his wedding bands, anymore. Last year, he nearly lost his finger when he slipped and the band caught on one of the spikes to get up to his tree stand. So I don't think I'll wear one, if I can get out of it. - OCoG of FF, Jimminy
Yes, except when I was super pregnant and my hands were swollen. Then I wore it on a chain around my neck. - Rochelle
I never take it off. It is welded to my finger. Only time I have had it off was when it broke and had to be replaced. - Shawn Whitmire
Yes. Even with the spouse not being around. - #cryptic
not all the time. - Eric - Final Countdown
Not anymore. - Steven Perez from Android
sometimes - sofarsoShawn
Yes- I do take it off when washing up but that's it - Pete's Got To Go
Yes. Although it did slip off in a pool once. Had to search and recover. - Micah from FFHound(roid)!
Yes. As a few others said, I'll occasionally slide it up my finger or even move it temporarily to another finger when it itches, but I never take it off completely. - COMPLICATED MR. NOODLE
havent worn mine in years. I used to wear it all the time, and R took his off evenings. After 10 years his looked a lot better than mine. Then we got burglared overnight and his ring was taken. We replaced it. Years later we got burglared again, and again his ring was taken. We didnt replace it and I stopped wearing mine. Don't need the symbol no more :) Maybe we'll buy a new set when we hit 20. That was the idea but I'm not sure anymore. - Iphigenie
Always. - Kevin Johnson
Most of the time. I've had some itchiness the last few days, so it's come off to let that settle down. #DamnedNickelAllergy Scott takes his off more often, from a combination of it being sometimes a little bit loose and him having sensory/tactile quirks. He takes it off to drive and to play piano/organ; sometimes it gets left at the church by accident. - Ordinarybug Heather
Yes. I remove my engagement ring occasionally, when I'm doing something that might get it really gunked up - gardening, pottery, painting, etc. - Mary Beth Sancomb Moran
Actually, mine's more often tight than loose...but "feels" in the way sometimes when I'm playing piano/organ or typing. (Y'know, things where I have to bend my ring finger a lot.) - Kristin of Two Everything
Makes me wonder - can you do a wedding without rings?use a different symbolic gesture? because it's true if one or both work in a setting where you can't wear the ring due to rules or security, it hardly seems worth the expense just for tradition... Churches shouldnt mind since the ring is a totally pagan tradition but I suspect many would struggle - Iphigenie
More Yes than No replies - which is kind of what I expected. :) - Nathalie
I've never owner one, neither has my father or father-in-law - RAPatton from iPhone
I take it off when showering or washing dishes and I sometimes play with it. - Kevin Fox
No, not when I'm out cruising the bar =) - sofarsoShawn from iPhone
I only wear my wedding ring when I want to pick up chicks who sleep with unavailable men. - Gabe
I used to but have been slacking off. Not that my wife can complain cause she never wears hers. =p - rønin
The mothers in Isabelle's girl scout troop treat me like an outcast. :( I hate going to her girl scout meeting because you see them all in a group talking amongst themselves, while I am in one corner counting the minutes I can leave.
I feel like I'm in middle school all over again - Shevonne
I can kind of relate. I quit staying for my daughter's meetings. My problem may be the fact I'm a dad, but there have been other dads there, - Gunneh-MoTo Calls me that
Is it because you're a . . . WORKING MOTHER? I had that problem when my son was younger because the other mothers all stayed home and had planned activities together and were friends. - Trish R
Ugh. :( - Derrick
I guess what bugs me is that it shows how mean women are towards other women. I always stay at my son's cub scouts, and the fathers don't go out of their way to give me dirty looks and exclude me from things. @Trish No, some of them work. I think it's cause I'm a younger mother. - Shevonne
Yeah, women are mean, especially when it comes to their kids. It's a brand new era of middle school, you're right. - Trish R
Well they're missing out. You're a cool person. Their loss. - DB, Lil LB's Dad
Yeah, their loss. That sucks, though. So childish. - Rahsheen
yeah Shevonne, I'm sorry that people suck. - Gunneh-MoTo Calls me that
Trust me, you DON'T want to be a part of that group. It's cut throat. Your life is better for not having to deal with that noise. - Johnny from iPhone
What DB, Rah etc. said. Gggggiiiiiirrrrrrl, they ain't worth your time. It is their loss....I'm guessing, but those DC *class oriented* females just don't knowwww. Fairfax??? - CarlC
Yep, Fair Oaks/Oakton area. - Shevonne
Yeah, I found the same with my daughter. I went to a couple of meeting, but was clearly not welcome. I thought about moving her to cub-scouts with my son (where I was a leader) but didn't, as many of the boy's *mothers* had a problem with that. :( - Ken Morley
I'm sorry to hear that, Shevonne. Are there maybe other Girl Scout troops in your area (there should be a ton in that area) that you might find more welcoming? I hate to say this, but if you are experiencing that, chances are that your daughter will have similar issues with the mothers and the girls in the troop before much longer. - COMPLICATED MR. NOODLE
She loves her troop, so I'll have to deal with it. - Shevonne
That sucks. Our son's cub scout troop has moms and dads all participate and so far so good. But we're only in year one...first grade. - Shawn Thompson
shame them, repeatedly - Michael W. May
:( - Jenny
Smile. Shoulders back. Bring a magazine or book. Or take notes if u need to pay attention. You are already there for a set amount of time why not have something in your hands to fidget with to devote the nervous energy to.. - Simply Caroline from iPhone
And try to ignore them. - Simply Caroline from iPhone
I've been there, with my daughter and girl scouts, cheerleading, school functions, and a bunch of other stuff. Trust me on this do not want to be a part of their exclusive "mom scout" troop. And what was said about the way they treat you eventually transferring to how they treat your daughter, could also very well be true. I have some baddass baking and sewing skills and made... more... - April Russo (FForever!)
@April That is disgusting. Yeah, I've already gotten smart with a couple of them, and they have kind of left me alone after that. - Shevonne
What a nasty story @April. Makes no sense at all that people, any people, would do that. life's too short for this kind of crap but it seems some people get caught in a status game all the time - pity them :( @shevonne - could it also simply be that they have known each other some time and are just eager to catch up, rather than any attempt to leave you out on purpose? Perhaps they... more... - Iphigenie
None of the mothers knew each other, but two of them. Actually, five of them just joined this year (troop was formed two years ago), and they didn't know anyone from my troop. - Shevonne
They're just jealous. You're younger, smarter and better looking. - Kevin (aka ThreadKilla)
@Kevin Wish it were cause of that, but I doubt it. - Shevonne
I hear you...but I will say not all leaders are like that...I welcome everyone in my troop but I thinks thats mostly cause I was a young mom and remember being ostracized to the point no one would let their kids play with my daughter cause I was a young single hurt her so much. Once a kid told her he knew where she lived and was going to come to our house to kill me...she then picked up a scooter and hit him in the face with it...that kid deserved it - furrworld
and now I am the coordinator of our SU and the leaders still do it to me so it doesnt change when you get older...some people are just crappy - furrworld
:( - Anne Bouey
I've come to the conclusion that the Mean Girls we met in 5th grade never really grow up - they continue to be the Mean Girls. If it weren't for your daughter, I'd be tempted to call them on it. - Mary Beth Sancomb Moran
I don't know... I think most people have a good story about themselves in their head - they are not just mean for the fun of it.There's a rationale, a story, even if it is an wrong one... @furrworld - seriously, there's still discrimination/unease about single moms in 2011??? wow.... - Iphigenie
Iphigenie...she is 24 now but the fact we went through that still stiCks...I had her when I was a teen...I have little ones now and I still see the clickyness...I just stay away. The only reason I lead my daughters troop is because she is special needs and I would lose it if someone was mean to her. I wish I could believe some people aren't mean for the fun of it but I have a different experience.. - furrworld
That's awesome that you put those experiences behind you for your daughter - Shevonne
:( that's not teaching the girls how to respect others. - VALZONE#SCREWED
Shevonne it's not easy...seriously I can't stand my other daughters leader and her crew...they are a bunch of clicky bitches...and I am their boss in just practice CYA and am there for my kids...although I can't stand these women I hope I am showing my daughter how to deal with people you don't particularly like and I hope they will come away with valuable life the meantime I grind my teeth and smile and keep to myself... - furrworld
Grilling chicken breasts to top spinach tossed with balsamic vinaigrette w/ bleu cheese, bacon, mushrooms, walnuts, and tomatoes. #dinner
I like the bleu cheese! Send me some? FedEx? So.Hungry.Now. - Absentee
Sounds gooood. - CarlC
I'm with Jason. We'll be right over. - Ordinarybug Heather
Count me in. - Mary Beth Sancomb Moran
I want my hour back.
Word. - Rahsheen
Move to Arizona! I did :D Now no one takes my hour from me! - Lindsay
But I like getting it back in the fall! - Derrick
I hate daylight savings time. - maʀtha
yes - lris
Maaaaaaan. you aint never lied - MoTO Boychick Devil
Let's just keep the clocks at this setting from here on out. Mmm'kay? - That's So CAJ!
You will get it back next fall, I promise. - Jeff P. Henderson
It would be less galling, if we could spring forward at 4pm on Monday. - vicster.
Me too! - #cryptic
i want my summer back, and if it costs me (or you, ;) an hour, so be it, :P - chaz2b
You already got your extra hour last autumn. Back to work, sir! - Aaron the Librarian
Okay, one more try: Who would like to have dinner on Thursday after the Library Technology Conference in St. Paul? If folks are staying in the Sheraton in Minneapolis, we could have dinner at the Midtown Global Market. #ltc2011
YES - John Fink
Yay! - maʀtha
I would love to have dinner with you all on Thursday, but the commute from Denver to St. Paul might be a bit of stretch. - Joe
*sigh* - DJF from Android
Midtown Market is a great location! And I can give people rides (will be parked near-ish to campus) to/from if staying elsewhere. (I'm in for dee-nair.) - N. Ansi
Good thinking. I can also give people rides. I can give people rides to the Minneapolis Sheraton on Wednesday as well. - maʀtha
I would love to. But all of you awkward fuckers living in another country doesn't help... - Pete's Got To Go
Um, anyone else who will actually be at the conference? (smartasses) - maʀtha
Maybe we can pick up some folks from the tweetstream. I saw stuff about an LSW meetup last year, but didn't know what it was, so didn't go... - N. Ansi
Good idea. #ltc2011 is confirmed as the official hashtag. - maʀtha
Unfortunately, I'm headed back to Rochester for a meeting at 5:00 on Thursday. Bummer for me. - Mary Beth Sancomb Moran
Pete's Got To Go
It's been a while, but for our newest member, how about a roll call? Where you from, what's your job?
She already knows this, but for those who don't ;) Sheffield Hallam University, law and social sciences librarian - Pete's Got To Go
Part-time cataloger at Briar Cliff University, Sioux City, Iowa. Wife is the Reference & Instruction Librarian at BCU. - Mar₭ Liŋdŋer
School Librarian - an endangered species here in UK ;-) - wensleydalelass
Information Systems Coordinator at the Missouri River Regional Library (public) in Jefferson City, MO. - WebGoddess
E-Resources and Serials librarian at University of Central Oklahoma in Edmond, Oklahoma (just north of Oklahoma City) - Kirsten
Business librarian, Georgia State University, Atlanta, Georgia. - ellbeecee
Access Librarian @ Palmer College of Chiropractic (full time); Information Librarian and science fiction/fantasy/horror expert @ Bettendorf Public Library (part time) both in Iowa; editor/publisher of Electric Velocipede, award-winning genre magazine - John: Thread Killer
McGill Unversity in Montreal - eScholarhip, ePublishing & Digitization Coordinator - jambina
Systems & Electronic Resources (and everything not Cataloging) Librarian at Shippensburg University of Pennsylvania (not Penn State nor Ivy League). Sometime ALA gadfly/gadabout, rabble-rouser, and all around fun guy (but not a mushroom) - Aaron the Librarian
Temporary reference & instruction librarian at St. Olaf College in Northfield, MN, where it is freakin' cold this morning. - Molly Westerman
Reference Librarian & Instruction Coordinator at Saint Mary's College in South Bend, Indiana: right across the street from the University of Notre Dame. - Catherine Pellegrino
Head of the Steacie Science & Engineering Library, York University, Toronto. - John Dupuis
Manager of Information Services, La Crosse (Wisconsin) Public Library - Rochelle *boom* Hartman
Information services librarian, Baruch College (part of the City University of New York), New York, NY. - Stephen Francoeur
E-Resources Librarian with a heavy helping of instruction thrown in at University of Wisconsin - La Crosse. Current big project? The 2011 release of ERMes, and open source ERM. - Galadriel C.
Circulation services coordinator, Tutt Library, Colorado College, Colorado Springs, CO. Mostly I look out for our student workers, but also I do reserves and ereserves and regular circ stuff too. My mama is a school librarian, so I spent my childhood as an unpaid school-librarian-apprentice;). - Marianne
Library student referencing and indexing through the MLIS program at Louisiana State University and new part-time faculty liaison instructional support librarian at Southern University of New Orleans. - Derrick
Assistant Information Services Librarian at Health Sciences Library Uni Illinois Chicago. Doing research on personal health records. - Hedgehog
Serials & Electronic Resources Librarian at Loyola Marymount University in Los Angeles. Sweetest job EVAR. - Marie
Adult Services Coordinator, Coralville Public Library, Coralville, IA. - laura x
Reference librarian, National University of Singapore - aaron
Technically : Analyste en systèmes de documentation at Université du Québec. And here's how I describe my job on LinkedIn : Involved in collaborative projects with Université du Québec's institutions' libraries with technology projects being the primary focus (ILS, "Discovery layer", etc.). In charge of channels of communication (collaborative website, wiki, listservs). - Dominique Papin
Assistant Dean, University of the Pacific Library, Stockton, CA. - Mary Carmen
Being a librarian in US sounds much more fun than here... Shall we move, Pete? - wensleydalelass
Adult Services Librarian (reference) and Technical Services Librarian (Spanish cataloging), Gail Borden Public Library, Elgin, IL. - bentley
@Helen- move from Yorkshire? Unpossible :D - Pete's Got To Go
Transportation librarian at UC Berkeley. I would love to move to Yorkshire! S6!!! - kendrak
@ Helen- Kendra is an Owls fan ;) - Pete's Got To Go
@Pete - well, I'm sure I could survive... getting a bit more worldly-wise, perhaps ;-) - wensleydalelass
@ Helen- who are you and what have you done with my wife ;) - Pete's Got To Go
Head of Special Collections, Tarver Library, Mercer University, Macon, Georgia. :) - LB needs a hero!
Medical librarian at Eskind Biomedical Library, Vanderbilt University, Nashville, TN - Rachel Walden
Information Technology System Support Administrator, Howard County Library (Maryland, United States). Not a librarian. I do a wide range of things with technology in a library, from desktop support to server management to... - Julian
Essentially retired from RLG, later LYRASIS' Library Leadership Network, still writing. Technically not a librarian. Livermore, CA (wine country/SF Bay Area) - walt crawford
Electronic Services Lib, Catholic Univ. of America in Washington, DC - jönαthaη
Emerging Technologies & Services/Interlibrary Loan Librarian (and a few other things) Jack Tarver Library, Mercer University in Macon GA - Sir Shuping is just sir
E-resources librarian + ILS manager, Aix-Marseilles University, France - marlene
Scholarly Communications and Library Grants Officer, Binghamton University (State University of New York) and subject librarian for Chemistry, Math and Physics. - Elizabeth Brown
Head of Library Information Technology at the University of Tennessee at Chattanooga. All around provocateur. - Jason Griffey
Electronic Serials Specialist (plus more) at Northwest Missouri State University, Maryville, Missouri - Kathy
Reference & Instruction Librarian, Metropolitan State University, St. Paul, MN. Currently -2 F. - maʀtha
(there's about 600 people who haven't posted yet) - maʀtha
I'm Iris, reference and instruction librarian for languages and literature at Carleton College in freezing Northfield, Minnesota. - lris
Collection Development Librarian, Fort Vancouver Regional Library District in Vancouver, WA. - holly #ravingfangirl
Engineering Librarian at Caltech. Lurker. - kristin buxton
Director of the Naropa University Library and Archives (Boulder, CO). Not that we have much of an archives program any more. - Mark Kille
I'm a Community Specialist & Trainer for Springshare (yes, the people who make LibGuides). I work out of Ann Arbor, MI. - Laura
infrequent visitor. director of the Journalism School library @ the University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill (central North Carolina). welcome to FriendFeed, @helen! - Stephan!e•CogSc!L!brar!an
Librarian at The Johns Hopkins University Applied Physics Laboratory in Maryland - Christina Pikas
Periodicals Librarian @ University of Wisconsin-La Crosse. Currently basking in bright, streaming sunlight, although I hear it's chilly outside. - Jen
Joe Kraus, originally from Wisconsin. Got my MLS at Maryland-College Park (Go Terps). Stuck it out for 6.5 years in MD and NoVA (worked at GMU 1995-early 1998.). Found a great job as Science/Engineering Librarian at the Univ of Denver, 1998-Pres. - Joe
Hi from New Zealand! I'm the Information Systems Librarian @ UCOL a higher education educational institution based in Palmerston North - Tom.Pasley
Liaison Librarian (aka reference/instruction) for chemistry/chemical engineering/physics at University of Canterbury, New Zealand. - Deborah Fitchett
Technical Trainer and generally smart, opinionated ruggedly handsome and modest guy (and podcaster) at Harford County Public Library in NE Maryland. - ♫Maurice the Dolphin♫
Electronic and Educational Resources Librarian at Belmont University in Nashville, TN... - ~Courtney F
Librarian for the University of Minnesota in Rochester. - Mary Beth Sancomb Moran
THREADJACK: Kathy, where can I find a Maryville t-shirt. Every time I go to Brick & Click I search and end up empty handed :-( - Mary Carmen
Systems Librarian, Electronic Resources and Assessments, Michigan State University Libraries. - ranti
Technical and Digital Services Librarian at Barton College in Wilson NC - Mr. The Jason Fleming
infrequent visitor as well. Information & Education Services Librarian & PA Liaison @ Duke Univ. Medical Library - βℜ∀ñÐi
Director of Libraries, State University of New York at Potsdam. - Jenica
Consultant out of East Central Library Services' Bettendorf, IA office - we're a state agency providing services for Iowa libraries - and substitute Information Services Librarian at Bettendorf Public Library. - Katie
Copyright Program Librarian, University of Minnesota (Twin Cities - about 90-minutes' drive from Mary Beth) (I only check in to FriendFeed every couple of days - sorry so slow!) - N. Ansi
Correct me if I'm wrong, please. The Ugly Duckling. Isn't it supposed to be about how it's okay to be different? (and maybe about how when you blossom they'll all see they were wrong to make fun of you or something like that?)
This book I'm looking at (paraphrased and translated on the fly). There's much commotion at the lakeshore. What's going on? The ducklings are hatching. They're all the same and so pretty. All the same? No, one's different. [Note: one's white, the others are yellow.] "Get out of here" say the other [ducklings]. Can't you see you're not like us?" The duckling is very sad and knows very well that it's different. "Have you seen how pretty the ducklings are?" say all the animals. "They're all pretty expect one." And the duckling finds itself more alone and more sad. "But, what's all the noise? What's all the shouting"? thinks the duckling from its corner. "Come," call out a group of white and elegant swans. "You're like us." And, of course, the duckling went with them. Now he's happy. And peace and harmony returned to the lakeshore. - bentley
Boy, that was my understanding of the story. What you're reading is a weird take on the whole thing, to say the least. Racial segregation as harmony? That's the lesson? - Mary Beth Sancomb Moran
The moral is: "It's okay to be ugly now because it'll turn out you're really beautiful, so after all what's really important is that at some point you have to be beautiful because nothing else matters." - Deborah Fitchett
Um. That's an odd synopsis of it, and not really how I remember it happening... - ωαřмaiden ❤Bassetmom❤
(The version I'm familiar with is that he gets driven out, and suffers a cold winter, and then someone tells him he's beautiful and he looks in the water and discovers he's grown up and is now a beautiful swan. Possibly someone looked after him during winter, I forget.) - Deborah Fitchett
From the always accurate Wikipedia: "The Ugly Duckling" (Danish: Den grimme ælling) is a literary fairy tale by Danish poet and author Hans Christian Andersen (1805 – 1875). The story tells of a homely little bird born in a barnyard who suffers abuse from his neighbors until, much to his delight (and to the surprise of others), he matures into a graceful swan, the most beautiful bird of all. The story is beloved around the world as a tale about personal transformation for the better.[1] - Mary Beth Sancomb Moran
Right. That's how I remember it. But this book has a totally different version and I don't like that version at all. - bentley
There are a lot of cultures (internationally, and within the U.S. regionally and within subcultures) where the group harmony is valued a lot more strongly, and I can see how, through one of those lenses, the lesson of the Ugly Duckling could be that all's well when people are harmoniously in their right groups. But v. weird, nonetheless. - N. Ansi
This edition is from Spain. - bentley
(I'm cribbing from, but it accords with all the English translations I've read.) The part where all the other animals think he sucks because he's not like them either is in the original. The miserable cold winter of aloneness is in the original. He goes toward the swans *expecting* them to put him out of his misery ("“I will fly away to them, to the... more... - Marianne
(tl;dr: My opinion is that any version of an Andersen story that isn't morally complicated (and emo) isn't faithful to the original.) - Marianne
Thanks, Marianne. I assume I've read a more-of-less faithful translation at some point, but it would've been a long time ago. I'll have to read them again some time. - bentley
Now, one week later, I'm cataloging another edition of The Ugly Duckling, a simplified translation of the Hans Christian Andersen version. I much prefer this one. - bentley
ωαřмaiden ❤Bassetmom❤
Off to see if I can get voted into an open Asst Prof slot on the Faculty Senate. Wish me lucks ;)
*crosses fingers* - Kirsten
good luck! - John: Thread Killer
Woot! I got it by acclimation since no one else was nominated. Our Head of Acq/Tech Services also got an Assoc Prof spot by acclimation. Plus our mandated library rep we already had. The Library is taking over the faculty Senate due to disinterest by discipline faculty :P - ωαřмaiden ❤Bassetmom❤
Steve: not so bizarre in my corner of the world. I suspect there are many of us who think that your faculty are the kooky ones. :) ('grats, Colleen!) - Jenica
Paul Buchheit
This is definitely one of the weirder ads I've gotten in Gmail... (on one of the ChromeOS threads, fyi)
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i made the mistake of searching that term, then image-searching that term. - Eric Eldon
Why Eric, why? Some things are not worth searching for, or better left un-searched for. - Jacob Taylor
Feminine Husband Bra? Don't they know it's called the "bro"? - Mark Trapp
You're not the only one who was taken aback by that ad: http://itbugsmebecauseimsemioc... - Gabe
wondering what was in your gmail inbox to drive/trigger such an AD..hahahah!! After all , you off all people know the algo that dive Adsense " ;)- - Peter Dawson
Damn! Chrome just ruined the surprise. - April Buchheit
It was email notifications of comments on my ff post about ChromeOS. Is Google trying to tell us something about ChromeOS? ;) - Paul Buchheit
ChromeOS hasn't reached puberty yet. - DGentry
Admit to clicking on the weird ones. I am not proud. - Liza + = ?
April :-D - Ruchira S. Datta
Hahaha, genius - JSLeFanu
Soup in a TARDIS
Student is outraged, OUTRAGED, that we have not changed her email to represent her new last name. She TOLD us she was getting married this weekend. How DARE we DISRESPECT HER MARRIAGE. *eye roll*
Blergh. - Derrick
I can't even respond to this without excessive rantiness. - Rachel Walden
If that's disrespecting a marriage I'm doomed. Been married almost 11 years and still use my old name email b/c the university doesn't usually allow for changing accounts. - Nikki D.
Nikki, I didn't even change mine when I got married. Who knew I had been disrespecting my marriage the whole time? *buys student a feminist book* - Rachel Walden
The nerve, Rachel ;) - Nikki D.
i've also been married since 1998, and UM alumni office figured out my new street address and phone number but can't figure out last name! - Christina Pikas
"2.4 million Americans get married each year. 1 million get divorced each year." #justsayin - Andy
I suppose that would explain the need for speedy name changes, Andy. Otherwise they might miss out entirely! ;P - Soup in a TARDIS
Rachel: In another 9 days, my wife and I will have gone 33 years without her changing her name, and I'm delighted to see that one niece is choosing to keep the Crawford name alive a little longer. Lotta disrespect around these parts, I guess. - walt crawford
I am nothing but disrespect! - kendrak
Walt, cheers to your 33 years! - Rachel Walden
Joan, he is disrespecting your marriage! Oh, wait... - Rachel Walden
I will disrespect her marriage by not being allowed to be married. That'll show her. - Derrick
+11tybillion, Derrick - Rachel Walden
Derrick: You may not get that option for too much longer, depending on the state you're in... Five down, 45 to go. (Crossed fingers that California becomes #6 real soon now. Louisiana? Might take a bit longer.) - walt crawford
So you weren't tempted to ask her if she got married in that bouncy castle? - Heather
Bwaha! Nope! - Soup in a TARDIS
Wait...she's not married yet? She want pre-emptive changes? - Hedgehog
No, she is married now. She got married last weekend. She feels, however, that we are somehow "unmarrying" he by being slow to make the change. As she put it, "IF THIS ISN'T CHANGED BY JANUARY WHO WILL I BE IN THE NEW YEAR?!" - Soup in a TARDIS
I'm surprised no one has commented about the clearly lucky man who has married this woman. - Andy
Wow. That is a problem an email name change won't fix. - Rachel Walden
Why do I get the feeling that this is one of those Bridezillas that thinks the wedding is more important than the marriage? - Mary Beth Sancomb Moran
wow defined by your bogus is THAT?!? - Marge LW
It's not bogus, Marge. See? I'm Andy LSW. My new last name is what I am. :P - Andy
holly #ravingfangirl
NOOOOOOOOOOOO not my delicious :((((( -
NOOOOOOOOOOOO not my delicious :(((((
what? I haven't seen anything hit the blogs yet...and why the heck would they close it?? - Sir Shuping is just sir
Wait, Yahoo is closing delicious? WHY?! - Jandy
I can HIGHLY recommend pinboard as a replacement: - Elaine is trying to write
I might give diigo a try if they really do dump it. - Joe
this is bad. really bad. - kendrak
I believe this may fall under "FFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUU" - holly #ravingfangirl
WHAT - Nikki D.
I imported my delicious back in July 2010, but I haven't synced since then. Might do that sooner than later. - Joe
I actually use diigo and back it up to delicious (starting doing that after the Magnolia debacle), but delicious being gone would not be cool. - Jandy
Do not like. I'll have to look at diigo too, I guess. - Jason P
do any other bookmarking services have a bookmarklet/toolbar type thingie? That's what I will really miss. - holly #ravingfangirl
stumbleupon does have a toolbar, but I don't know how their functions compare. - Jennifer Dittrich
I'll second the recommendation for pinboard. Been using it to backup my delicious links for awhile. - Jason Griffey
Well, I will check it out! Wait, it costs money?!?! - kendrak
Pinboard does cost, one time fee. - Jason Griffey
they will have to pry it out of my COLD DEAD HANDS - maʀtha
Thanks for the Diigo backup suggestion. I still hope this is a vicious rumor. - Mary Beth Sancomb Moran
Oh that's bad. Death to the cloud! Long live the cloud! - Rodfather
+1 Rodfather - kendrak
that would really suck if delicious closed down bc i have over 10,000 bookmarks on there, what the hell?! - docrivs
I've never taken to delicious, but I've also not found an alternative I loved. Am noting suggestions above for diigo, pinboard. I don't mind VERY SMALL fee, if service actually is stable and has extra bells. - Louise "Weezy" Alcorn
pinboard is one-time signup, currently $6.88. (it's based on the number of users IIRC) also, they have a bookmarklet, and there's a chrome extension, not sure about firefox. - Elaine is trying to write
And yet, still no indication that they're closing Yahoo! Groups, which should have gone away years ago. - COMPLICATED MR. NOODLE
I'd hate to lose delicious since I have over 3000 bookmarks (and lots of metadata) there. I'll have to look into some of the alternatives mentioned above. - John (bird whisperer)
!!! I do actually prefer Diigo (someone asked about bookmarklet/toolbars - Diigo has both; it also does highlighting and stickynotes and you can import in and out) but Delicious feeds into Friendfeed a bit more nicely and... and besides, just !!! - Deborah Fitchett
Okay, that's it. I'm getting my hand on the fastest flash drive I can get, installing Chrome Portable, and I'll let Chrome Sync handle the bookmarks for me. - Dan: Bibrarian
OMFG!!!! Almost every librarian and nonprofit technology person I know uses delicious. CRAP. CRAP. CRAP. Also, we use it for our website. - Laura Norvig
This. All of this. Also: name something other than delicious or Flickr that is a useful Yahoo product........yeah. What an odd decision. - ωαřмaiden ❤Bassetmom❤
how does one export all info from delicious? EDIT: Oh, I see jimminy's link, will check. - Laura Norvig
LOL Laura ... yep there are entire pages based on delicious our there - Lori Reed
I have 1371 bookmarks. Our project has 255. Oh, phew, the latter is not so bad. - Laura Norvig
I have a yahoo email address, that is useful. Bout it. - Joe
WTF, Yahoo? *weeps* - Laura
Cecily, you're ahead of the curve! We had actually been planning to abandon it, also. We pipe them in to a prominent block on our home page, and the links drive people away from the site so, really, not the greatest web strategy. It just happened to be a *very* quick and easy way for me to recommend links to our users. - Laura Norvig
How did you all use delicious? For sharing links or as your bookmark manager? - Rodfather
Rodfather: I used it for both. - Ha3rvey (on hiatus)
mine was more for bookmark curation. recipes, primarily. It's totally unrelated to the bookmarks I use in my browser. - holly #ravingfangirl
I never used it much as a bookmark manager except for one specific use: I created private links to some of the work-related places I would need when traveling, like Basecamp, remote work email, work-related wiki, etc. - Laura Norvig
Holly, that's one of the things I use Surfulater for. I have a knowledge base just for recipes. - April Russo (FForever!)
I am so frakking bummed out about this. I remember feeling all smug when Magnolia went down, thinking, that will never happen to MY Delicious. :( - Martha
I've been using Delicious in a lot of different ways. We use it to crowd-source links to the Slawlinkblog on for example: (scroll down right side-bar). And I have all my links organized from the past 4-5 years. Gah. Not happy about this. - Connie Crosby
here's delicious official response (copied by M. Sauers and posted on his blog): - Sir Shuping is just sir
I'll believe it when I see it. - holly #ravingfangirl
Reading that Yahoo! "reassurance" is...well, not at all reassuring. I'm waiting to see whether my Diigo library gets built properly. (Wonder whether Carol Bartz is planning to run for California office? She's getting to have the same qualifications as Carly F....) - walt crawford
heh I've noticed that same quality about her, Walt. - holly #ravingfangirl
In the contest between Iris' car and the snow bank, the snow bank was the unequivocal winner this morning.
This is the first time I've done that. Luckily I was on campus and two facilities guys showed up almost immediately to shovel, sand, and push me out. - lris
Sneaky so-and-so played dirty, I bet. - Kirsten
Glad the guys were there to help! - Hedgehog
Glad you're ok. - Jen
Did you slide while driving? Having established that you are okay, how is the car? - maʀtha
Gotta love the facilities guys. - Mary Beth Sancomb Moran
Facilities guys rock my world. (I think they secretly like saving damsels in distress.) - Catherine Pellegrino
And this thread is why I posted a link on FB for the campus parking services office at MPOW, who offer motorist assistance services on campus. I call them roughly once every winter after I lock my keys in my running car at the end of the day. - DJF
Security at MFPOW would also come and let you into your car if you locked your keys in. They rocked my world as well. - Catherine Pellegrino
Glad someone was able to help! - Rachel Walden
Mary Beth Sancomb Moran
At work with a large coffee and Chanticleer.
One of their holiday albums? - Julian
A couple of them, Julian. I love those guys. - Mary Beth Sancomb Moran
Rochelle *boom* Hartman
Can anyone recommend a PDF to Word converter that won't leave a big watermark on the converted document saying, "To remove this watermark, please purchase"? Sheesh. OR can someone help a sister out some other way? It's a 3 page job app.
I started by pasting into Word and using text boxes to type, but what a PITA. Almost ready to fill out long-hand. Why not offer a PDF job app with fill-in permissions. Hmm? Or am I just a moron? - Rochelle *boom* Hartman
This one was recommended by Lifehacker: - Mary Beth Sancomb Moran
How about trying open office? - ♫Maurice the Dolphin♫
i second OpenOffice! - tara
They got it handwritten. - Rochelle *boom* Hartman from fftogo
Prueba con estos dopdf, pdf2world, pedil - Exagono Bibliotecario
This monsoon is a little far off course to be hitting Minnesota.
Yes. I think Duncan, with his steel plated bladder, is protesting by refusing to pee until it stops. - maʀtha
Get the poor dude a catheter. - lris
Apparently we were getting about 3 inches per hour for a bit there. 9 inches total overnight, and it's still raining. - lris
I'm thinking an inflatable life raft and a paddle would be handy - maʀtha
Bring a canoe. - lris
Or just water wings and fins, if you want to travel light - maʀtha
Or do you have secret gills, Steve? - maʀtha
That's like the amount of rain we get in A YEAR. - laura x
I think it's the remnants of Hurricane Kurt or Kraut or whatever. - Rochelle *boom* Hartman
Is the river starting to flood the campus there, Iris? - Mary Beth Sancomb Moran
So far the river is in its banks. Barely. But we're getting 4 months' worth of rain in 18 hours, so.... - lris
Just when I decide to stop being Copyright Girl, I go and learn something I didn't know about copyright. And every time I learn more about copyright, I become Copyright Girl a little bit more. Harumph.
Like tonight? I learned that section 109 specifically excludes rented and borrowed things from "legally obtained." - lris
But you know? Really? I don't want to be Copyright Girl any more. - lris
With great power comes great responsibility. - Michael R. Bernstein
Can I copyright you on that? - Derrick
Good thing I have no power. - lris
*punches D on the nose* - lris
Tee hee! - Derrick
heheheheheh - lris
Ayup. Section 109 kinda sucks. - Marianne
I don't even care about section 109. I just wish I could unlearn copyright stuff so people would stop expecting me to know copyright stuff. What's the good of knowing all this stuff? The law's a mess and nothing's going to change it. Might as well go with the flow. - lris
I dunno, I see the tide shifting: , , and so on. - Michael R. Bernstein
And you should totally go as 'Copyright Girl' for Halloween: - Michael R. Bernstein
Also, does this mean that libraries can publicly project movies in the library? (109(c)) "(c) Notwithstanding the provisions of section 106(5), the owner of a particular copy lawfully made under this title, or any person authorized by such owner, is entitled, without the authority of the copyright owner, to display that copy publicly, either directly or by the projection of no more than... more... - lris
Yes. But then 109(d) says that for all the things covered in 109(a) and 109(c) (so, specifically not talking about sound recordings or computer software -- specifically talking about everything else) that the doctrine of first sale does not apply to rented, leased, or borrowed things. You have to actually own the thing for 109 to apply. - lris
WHY AM I STILL TALKING ABOUT COPYRIGHT???? *bangs head against wall* - lris
If I rent/borrow it, I don't have those rights, and those rights include renting/lending to other people. If I buy it, I have the right to rent/lend. "Lawfully acquired" in this section appears to mean "acquire ownership." Or, of course, permissions from the owner. - lris
Apparently (according to the case law discussion I could find on Google books), 109(c) ought to cover showing a film if you had a physical (legal, purchased by you-and-I'm-willing-to-call-The-Library-"you"-though-someone-else-might-not-be) copy of the film, that you were showing in a room with some other people. Although it also predates showing-movies-on-a-computer and DVD TOS claims... more... - Marianne
No, because it talks about the "owner of a particular copy" not a copyright owner. - lris
So to make this all Netflixy, you do not become the lawful owner of the particular DVD. Therefore you cannot lend it. - lris
I wonder how this works with print reserves. Maybe this is why some libraries don't accept a professor's copy of the book? But the idea of reserves is what makes me think that maybe I'm misinterpreting it somehow. But I just don't see how. - lris
Actually, I do see how. The professor has obviously asked us to lend the books. So that's express permission. - lris
I'm currently looking at a speculative example that goes like "Professor X makes 10 fair use copies of a poem for classroom use. Student Y receives a copy. Student Y sells that copy for 30 bucks on eBay. IS THIS LEGAL???" And the answer is yes, certainly (which makes perfect sense to me, but I never would have thought of it). *backs away from the rabbit hole* - Marianne
wait how is that legal?? I really wish that copyright was easier for people to understand - Sir Shuping is just sir
Man, I hate this stuff. It's fascinating to read all of your comments, but frankly, I'd rather cover my ears and pretend we didn't have to play. *la,la,la,la* - Mary Beth Sancomb Moran
Because the copies themselves were lawfully made (under fair use law, and in this case without the INTENTION of anyone selling them) and (once that legally made copy is in the student's hands) the student's first sale rights over their own copy trump the copyright owner's interest in the sale. - Marianne
Keep in mind: Fair Use is not a prescribed set of "this is legal for you" laws. It's a defense against copyright infringement claims. There is no pre-disposed legality of Fair Use materials...the only way to be sure that something really is Fair Use is to have a judge tell you it is during a trial. - Jason Griffey
So in your example, Marianne, I'm not sure AT ALL that's the case. There is case law that states that I can legally make a backup of, for instance, a CD that I legally purchased, but just because that copy is a legal copy does NOT give me the right to sell it. - Jason Griffey
Just because the only way to know for sure is to get a ruling doesn't mean that Fair Use is "just a defense." It is written into the law. It is fully legal. Unfortunately, it's also confusing and vague, and that's where the judges come in. - lris
107: "Notwithstanding the provisions of sections 106 and 106A, the fair use of a copyrighted work, including such use by reproduction in copies or phonorecords or by any other means specified by that section, for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching (including multiple copies for classroom use), scholarship, or research, ***is not an infringement of copyright***." - lris
owww.....that made my head hurt. You know what I think ALA needs to take over the US copyright office and comes up with something that actually makes sense - Sir Shuping is just sir
Yeah, what Iris said. (I swear I was actually trying to find discussion of 109 when I came across that example.) - Marianne
I'm sure if someone decided they were Very Upset by the sale of this hypothetical copy, they would go back and try to prove it WASN'T fair use in court. But it'd be pretty hard. - Marianne
Absolutely. But you didn't include the rest of that section, which says "In determining whether the use made of a work in any particular case is a fair use the factors to be considered shall include ..." and then lists the 4 Fair Use tests. In order to be legal Fair Use, the use has to be considered Fair against the 4 factors, and that's something that only a judge can give final call on. - Jason Griffey
Obviously, I'm ALL FOR pushing Fair Use rights...I think they should be abused like crazy. But they are not a priori proof of legality. - Jason Griffey
Yes. I'm not disputing that there are four factors. What I am disputing is this notion that just because they're vague they're not legal. - lris
Making "multiple copies for classroom use" is expressly called out as one of the things for which this section was invented. So while we can't be 100% confident that every single person in the world would immediately say "Oh yes, that's Fair Use," we can be pretty confident that the copy that professor in that example made was a Fair Use copy. Fair use isn't a cover-your-butt thing. It's a right granted in title 17. - lris
In other words, it's not guilty until proven innocent. You're innocent until proven guilty, and it's the copyright owner's job to prove that you DIDN'T act according to the law. And even if the owner manages that, you can't be fined for damages if you acted in good faith. - lris
DIdn't say they weren't legal. Said they aren't a priori proof of legality. Very different!! A teacher can absolutely copy multiple copies for classroom use...unless it's an amount or substantiality that treads on rule 3, or if he is doing so expressly to keep students from purchasing the work (rule 4) or....lots and lots and lots of other reasons. - Jason Griffey
But your whole approach is guilty-till-proven-innocent when you say it's "just a defense" and "not proof that it's legal." We don't require proof of legality in this country. We require proof of illegality. - lris
Jason: What Iris said--that is, it's fine to say "Fair Use isn't a carefully-defined set of copyright exemptions," because it isn't. It's not so fine to say--as Big Media consistently does--that "Fair Use is only a defense against infringement," because Fair Use is *not* infringement. There is a difference, and it's not all that subtle. - walt crawford
I agree. But I think that the history of copyright lawsuits in the US disagrees. As common sense use of materials disagrees, generally, with copyright law. I'm not arguing guilty-until-proven, just saying that for the purposes of interpreting US copyright law, just screaming "Fair Use" doesn't actually DO anything. We've all dealt with professors who believe that ANYTHING they want to do is Fair Use....and that's just wrong. - Jason Griffey
Um. Going back to the example I brought up, it presumed fair use. Given that X is fair use, then Y *will* be legal. It had never occurred to me that Y was legal, hence my bafflement/interest/bringing up of this red herring in the first place. (And the sale of Y *cannot* reflect backward on X unless you somehow prove that X was most likely done intending Y, which might not be very hard... more... - Marianne
The history of copyright lawsuits in this country demonstrates that a) sometimes people infringe and try to cry Fair Use when they shouldn't, and b) copyright owners have to prove that their rights have been infringed and so they have to bring suits, some of which fail and some of which succeed. All of this has nothing to do with the fact that Fair Use is absolutely and positively legal and not "just a defense." - lris
Actually, as to history of lawsuits...there aren't a whole lot of cases where legitimate fair-use claims have been found wanting. True that "just screaming Fair Use doesn't actually do anything"--but saying "it's just a defense" leads to Big Media's "it's not a law" leads to acceptance of the Permission Culture. And what Steve just said. - walt crawford
I don't go around not killing people as a defense against being charged with murder, Dorothea. If I kill someone, I may be charged and found guilty. If I get erroneously charged and say "I didn't kill someone" that doesn't make not killing people "just a defense" - lris
Dorothea: The difference is "This was legal" as opposed to "This was illegal but I claim a defense." In practice, Big Media asserts (sometimes) that a claim of Fair Use is an *admission* of infringement, but with a claimed defense--it's like claiming temporary insanity. - walt crawford
Steve: Enough of your comment got through to make the point, I think. Geez, this has turned into a fast-moving thread... - walt crawford
So if I "give" you a movie and you copy it and then you give it back, that's fine. - Matt Lorfeld
It'd have to be a fair use copy on my part. - lris
Well of course! - Matt Lorfeld
I just want to know what the Copyright Girl costume looks like. - Andy
Dorothea, I assume that I won't get hauled into court over my photocopies. - lris
Andy, it's black, and full of self-hatred. - lris
Dorothea: Unfortunately, your statement is absolutely right--in pragmatic terms, Fair Use is somewhat of a failure. Which is a damn shame. - walt crawford
It's a positive right, fair use is. I have a right to work in this country, for example, as a permanent resident of it. That's something I Get To Do, not "stuff I won't get hauled into court over". I would be righteously pissed if I got hauled into court over it, but the causation-correlation is flowing FROM "I'm allowed to do this" TO "I shouldn't get accused of a crime", not the other way around. - Marianne
Right, and if you decided not to work because there's a chance someone would haul you into court, you'd be dumb. Which you aren't. Which I'm not, so I'll continue making my fair use copies in confidence that I'm exercising my rights within the law in good faith. - lris
Is the standard "I won't get hauled into court for this" or "I can't get hauled into court for this"? Because if the latter, there is absolutely *nothing* that you can't get hauled into court for (I could haul somebody into court for brushing their teeth, or not brushing their teeth, if I really wanted to), and if the former, you're basically always relying on the other party's forbearance (or sanity). I suggest that a better standard is "A sane judge will throw this case out if I get hauled into court". - Michael R. Bernstein
Iris, FWIW, the Supreme Court has actually said that Fair Use is an affirmative defense, putting the burden of proof on the defendant to show that the use is Fair and non-infringing. See Campbell v. Acuff-Rose (aka, the 2 Live Crew case). This isn't to say that it isn't something that is legal, or a right, or whatever...just that the burden of proof is often on the defendant in these cases. - Jason Griffey
And re: Michael: you can haul anyone into court for any civil matter, yes. But not criminal, and copyright infringement is, at least sometimes, a criminal offense. - Jason Griffey
The standard for me personally is "I had best not get hauled into court for this or I shall be righteously pissed off at the hauler," Michael. Which isn't very different from your standard, but judges can be sane and still be wrong. (Hence the appeals process.) - Marianne
BTW: I'm arguing just for the sake of arguing now. Love this stuff. :-) - Jason Griffey
I build a circuit according to the prescribed steps. My teacher says, "that looks wrong." I say, "No, look, here are all the steps." That was me proving that I did what was required in the first place. It does not mean that I was building it as a defense. - lris
Okay, I have to take back that entire comment. It was apparently an affirmative defense because Souter said so. (supremecourtgrumblegrumble) OTOH, he said so along the lines of "well, it's an affirmative defense and 2LiveCrew screwed up by not presenting the following evidence, but whatever, their use was still fair for other reasons"? Ugh. Lawyers. - Marianne
Yep. That's also the reason that here in the US we can get what amounts to copyright bully suits from corps, forcing people to settle rather than litigate (I'm looking at you, RIAA). - Jason Griffey
Anyway, Iris's point about the circuits still holds. I do what I do because I can do it, not because I'm planning a defense. How it gets argued in court, guilty-until-proven-innocent-*once-it-actually-gets-there*-or-vice-versa, is a separate thing (even if it sucks), and risk management is a different question from what's legal. That's why the "almost never infringement charges if no... more... - Marianne
HSLM - Health Science Libraries of Minnesota: Position available at the University of Minnesota Health Sciences Libraries: Liaison/Information Specialist -
*Nudge* This is a great job, especially because you would get to work with amazing, smart, collaborative, fun, funny, creative people. They raised me up as a baby librarian until I was ready to leave the nest and I love them. Also, the Twin Cities is a wonderful place to live (I'll buy you some long underwear). - maʀtha from Bookmarklet
You make me want to move to Minnesota - Soup in a TARDIS
The Twin Cities are awesome. - David Rothman (☤)
Martha - I keep looking at that posting, and being unsure how much the health sciences background is a make or break. Do you have any recommendations on that? (My undergrad degrees are humanities, but I like learning new stuff, and feel confident picking up content knowledge pretty fast.) - Jennifer Arnott
Lots of the librarians at Bio-Med do not have health sciences degrees. Their degrees are in things like classics (2), history, comparative literature, etc. I do think they want someone to be more of an informationist, who is an expert searcher (how is your MeSH?), can deal with data, who is tech savvy, and who is up on scholarly communication (a big deal at UMN right now). Having... more... - maʀtha
Caveat: I have nothing to do with this posting, though I do work in this library. I'm the Comp Lit major. I'd say that the ideal candidate for this position probably does have a health sciences background, but you'll notice they've chosen to push all that stuff down into the "preferred" qualifications. There's no telling what sort of pool they'll get and applying costs you very little. I'd say go ahead and do it, if you're interested. - Wayne Loftus
Hi Wayne! - maʀtha
Martha and Wayne - thanks for the reassurance! I'll work up a nice cover letter and see what happens. (I'm all for that, just didn't want to if there was really no chance.) - Jennifer Arnott
Jennifer, I wish you good luck - they're wonderful people to work with "up there." (I'm at the UM Rochester campus; we're the Miami of Minnesota.) - Mary Beth Sancomb Moran
Ordinarybug Heather
Pray for me, a sinner. There's a coworker who has to repeat any point several times, with examples, asking if he has it right, and then repeating again, before he understands something. I lose my patience (internally) every single danged time I have to work with him, and I think unloving thoughts about him. For seven-and-a-half years now.
You have my condolences. - Mary Beth Sancomb Moran
*feeling stabbity toward MVB* - Ordinarybug Heather
Ugh, so hard to have patience when people process stuff so slowly or differently. You could maybe turn it into a non-drinking game? Every time he points and asks, you get chocolate. Positive reinforcement. - Jennifer Dittrich
I hear you saying that your patience has an upper bound. Is that right? - Jim #teamFFrank from iPhone
@Jim: Correct. The question is, when will the day come when I haul my ass through the telephone to Minnesota and pull his bottom lip up over his head? :-D - Ordinarybug Heather
Oh God. He's about to call me to clarify some questions. *taking deep breaths in preparation* - Ordinarybug Heather
David Rothman (☤)
David's Jew Score: Have bagel for breakfast +10 points. Realize it is Yom Kippur +20 points. Remember that one is supposed to fast on Yom Kippur+20 points. Eat another bagel anyway -200 points. Status: not much of a Jew.
Yup. - Greg Schwartz
I have a colleague who had a ham salad on Yom Kippur. You guys are amateurs ;) - Pete's Got To Go
I see your ham salad and raise you a slice of cold pepperoni pizza. - Greg Schwartz
Touché - Pete's Got To Go
Yom Kippur doesn't start until sunset tonight. You can have whatever you want for breakfast today. - Rochelle
See? I thought it started last night at sunset. JEW FAIL. - David Rothman (☤)
Pretty sure my pepperoni pizza is a no-no at any time. On multiple levels. - Greg Schwartz
True story: When I was president of our Synagogue's Youth Group, I tried to order pepperoni pizza to a meeting. I was shouted at by some peers. "C'mon," I said. "We're REFORM!" - David Rothman (☤)
When I was prepping for my bar mitzvah (the only six months I consistently appeared in a synagogue), one of the other kids did exactly the same thing, minus the quick-thinking reform comment. - Greg Schwartz
It never would have occurred to me that pepperoni wasn't allowed. I've never really thought about the fact that it has pork in it. Now, sausage and ham, I know aren't allowed, but pepperoni was never on my radar. (not Jewish) - COMPLICATED MR. NOODLE
Rochelle beat me to it but eat all the bagels you want today, fast doesn't start until sunset. Carb loading is good for the fast ;) - Michelle Jones
LolCurtz: Pizza generally has cheese on it: meat + cheese = not kosher - Michael R. Bernstein
Oh yeah. Totally forgot about that part of it. Thanks, Michael. - COMPLICATED MR. NOODLE
I had a roommate in college who kept kosher. The only thing I really wasn't down with was the Miller's kosher cheese. That stuff is nasty. - Greg Schwartz
I've said it before: A benevolent God would not forbid his Chosen People to eat bacon and prosciutto. Kashrut is therefore ridiculous. - David Rothman (☤)
I lived on ham and cheese sandwiches growing up. They were my absolute favorite. Bacon was fine, whatever, but ham, was the business. Honey roasted ham, country ham, ham salad, ham, ham, ham! It has surprised me how little I have missed it since I started keeping kosher two years ago. I still struggle with not mixing meat and dairy sometimes but giving up all pork products wasn't difficult at all. - Michelle Jones
I am a Very Bad Jew. I've been known to eat bacon-cheeseburgers. For Passover. - Michael R. Bernstein
And yet, God loves us all. Yay! - Ordinarybug Heather
Of course, I still have lots of points left over from serving three years in the IDF (apparently worth a bazillion or so), so nyah-nyah, who's a good Jew now? - Michael R. Bernstein
Perhaps I should celebrate by watching "Don't Mess with the Zohan" & "The Hebrew Hammer" tonight. - Michael R. Bernstein
And sing all those awesome Adam Sandler songs, too... - Lisa L. Seifert from Android
Man, I have enough trouble remembering not to eat meat on Fridays during Lent. - Mary Beth Sancomb Moran
During Passover seder two years ago, my mom noticed that instead of putting the lamb shank on the plate, my brother mistakenly took out some char siu pork instead. We reuse the same shank every year and freeze it til the next year because they're so hard to find. To be fair, they did look similar but it was an eek and humorous moment at the same time. - Tamara, #TeamMarina
LOLCurtz, that reminds me of when I went to get a pizza from Round Table a few months ago. I asked if they had a pizza without pork on it. She said, "We have ham, pepperoni...sausage." I gave her a blank look. "Um, those are pork products." She was like, "Really?" - Anika
Joe "The Anvil" Pierce
this movie just shipped from Netflix. Nervous about watching it though. If I don't like it I'll be shunned!
I'll divert the attention from you now: I don't like the Sound of Music. - Colette
"The HILLS are alive...with the sound of music....." - Just Mrs. V
You don't like The Wizard of Oz. You're already shunned. - Jandy
THE SLIPPERS ARE SILVER!!!!!! - Joe "The Anvil" Pierce
Joe.Manliness - 50,000 - Mo Kargas
Dude, if the Do-Rae-Me song doesn't put you in tears, there's no point in watching movies ever again. - Jonathan Hardesty
Dude, single women in black (nuns) fight Nazis, what is not to like! - RAPatton
Mo, my manliness is so great a 50,000 point drop is nothing to me. And if you judge me again I'll have my kitten throw glitter in your face! - Joe "The Anvil" Pierce
for(x = 0; x< infinity; x++){judgeJoe();} - Mo Kargas
Speak English Robut! - Joe "The Anvil" Pierce
LOL Mo. Of course, we already knew this, as Mo judges all. - Josh Haley
I love this thread. Also? CLIMB EVERY MOUNTAIN! - Ordinarybug Heather
Oh man. I have seen it WAY TOO MANY TIMES. "I am 16 going on 17" makes me want to throttle someone. "Favorite Things"? NOT MINE, JULIE, ANDREWS! Warm, woolen mittens THIS! - Nine DataAngel Ferdinand
OK, about to show my age here, but this was the first movie I saw in a Real Movie Theater. I was transfixed....and that has no doubt influenced my fondness for this movie. That being said, I'm with Nine on the subject of "16 Going on 17." - Mary Beth Sancomb Moran
Coming up with a list of ten things one can do on our public computers. Not as easy as it sounds.
What do you have so far? - Mary Beth Sancomb Moran
Let's see: Create a resume, organize you pictures, apply for a job, check to see if that bastard paid child support, connect with people via facebook. Connect with people via email. watch you tube - ♫Maurice the Dolphin♫
look for criminals living in your neighborhood - Christina Pikas
omg you're back! - Christina Pikas
Write a paper. Research schools for your kid. - ωαřмaiden ❤Bassetmom❤
One of the ten is "plan to take over the world." That one is going to have to do with project management and diagramming software (open source, of course). - Julian
LSW: The Library Oracle - ♫Maurice the Dolphin♫
Ooh, recipes is a good one. - ωαřмaiden ❤Bassetmom❤
plan a vacation, learn a foreign language - Christina Pikas
i' m not sure you want to encourage people to learn to dance using library computers .. could be a liability issue, lol - Christina Pikas
No one has mentioned view pornography. [looks around] Right. - Andy
No One Views Pornography On Library Computers. N.O.B.O.D.Y. - ♫Maurice the Dolphin♫
read a book - Christina Pikas
play a game - Christina Pikas
who won the game/award last night? - ♫Maurice the Dolphin♫
look up your ancestors - Christina Pikas
do puzzles - Christina Pikas
look at the surface of mercury and the status of any current sunspots... pick out constellations in the night sky - Christina Pikas
find the chemical formula for caffeine and how to synthesize many different chemicals (besides meth) - Christina Pikas
dissect a frog - Christina Pikas
chat with your friends! email! - Andy
Track the space station's orbit - Mary Beth Sancomb Moran
Visit the Louvre - Mary Beth Sancomb Moran
see if that plant is edible - Christina Pikas
find out how to repair your sink (or whatever else) - Christina Pikas
Look at the Book of Kells - Mary Beth Sancomb Moran
Forgot to mention this. At least nine will not have anything to do with web browsing. I love what everyone's saying, though. - Julian
well, what software do you have then? - Christina Pikas
Create a presentation. balance a budget, create a news letter. write the president. GIMP your mother and her sister that she has not talked to in 20 years into the same photo to encourage dialog. - ♫Maurice the Dolphin♫
Create a photo album, create a resume, play solitaire - Mary Beth Sancomb Moran
scan in old family pictures? share them online - Christina Pikas
Our customers can actually do the scanning part (with a visit to a copier). - Julian
What a delightful list/conversation! - Mary Beth Sancomb Moran
The busiest computer lab on campus (the main floor of the library) is about to go offline for the next 8-ish hours while they switch all the computers there with the computers in another lab. The first week of classes usually isn't THIS exciting.
And they decided the appropriate time to do this was in the first few weeks of a new semester?? Why not mid-summer, for crying out loud? - Mary Beth Sancomb Moran
Because in mid-summer Apple screwed us pretty royally by sending out iMacs with hard drives that would randomly fail, and didn't send new ones until the week before classes started. Only then were they able to test the specialized software in the language labs, and found it messed with the entire computer. Then they thought they could fix it, but today it turns out they can't. So today they're switching lab computers from one side of campus to the other. Poor IT!! - lris
Oh, man. Poor IT, indeed! - Mary Beth Sancomb Moran
Aaron the Librarian
Just me or is Google's search page logo a touch boring today?
It is oddly colorless. Wonder what's going on? - Mary Beth Sancomb Moran
Start typing and watch it change - DJF from Android
*boogle* (yay misapprehension!) - Aaron the Librarian
Mary Beth Sancomb Moran
Exciting day at work today as we reveal our new mascot. The choices are Falcons, Raptors, and Griffins. I wonder what will win?
those are pretty good choices - maʀtha
It's amazingly difficult to choose a mascot these days. And options that seem innocuous have hidden traps. Case in point: one of the suggestions was for the Pirates. (I think they liked being able to say "UMRrrrrrrrrr.") However, we have a fairly large Somali population here, so having a pirate mascot was probably not the best idea. ; ) - Mary Beth Sancomb Moran
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