SCREW YOU HAGGIS... I wax me legs, I spend hours in the hairdressers and weeks doing my makeup for you... YOU BASTARD... I HATE YOU... *runs off sobbing*
- Johnny Worthington
Oh I have you in another list Johnny: Crossdressing Australians of FF.
- Haggis (Sean Loyless)
Aww, I hope I'm not offending anyone by not including them on the list. Many times I just go by the avatar and if it's a cartoon or something it's hard to tell and I won't put on here, and also these are just *my* personal tastes. Everyone has different types!
- Haggis (Sean Loyless)
Any woman with the brass to be on FF is a hottie in my book.
- Chris Baskind
Wow - that'd be a drag to be on a list like that. Still, as I always say, if you want to get a lot of followers get a hot chick avatar. It's sad but it's iJustine. True! I mean true. It's sad but it's true.
- Ciaoenrico
Ciaoenrico I kinda take offense to that. My avatar is me, it's my face and I shared it on FF after a LOT of thought about it (plus some gender confusion, but that's another story). Because a woman might be considered attractive she *shouldn't* user her face as an avatar otherwise she's just trying to get followers? Bull crap, and sexist to boot.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Agreed, Tina. That certainly wasn't the point of this list - it was merely a way to point out all of my FF crushes at once. I hope no one takes offense to it. :(
- Haggis (Sean Loyless)
I'm offended....I wasn't on this effing list!!
- jamar78
Sean, I'm not offended, personally. I find it rather amusing. The title of this post, to me, however, seemed rather "definitive". YMMV. :D
- Helen Sventitsky
I think I'm due for a new picture. I've used the same one since joining.
- Rochelle
Rochelle, you had that other one, the B&W one of you smiling. That was great, too
- Josh Haley
Quite a collection. There should be a male list too but then that could lead to a match-making game and apps being developed and other memes ... and ... oh dear ...
- Amani
Dammit.. I'm about to delete this post. It was not my intention to hurt anyone's feelings. :(
- Haggis (Sean Loyless)
I don't think it's a problem pointing out your crushes, hun. I think it's the fact that it's titled "The Hotties of FriendFeed" that can make people kind of uncomfy. That comes across as a direct judgment of peoples' looks, even though we know you didn't mean it that way.
- tinypants - Hagitha of FF
@Sean don't ever apologize for your actions.
- Shevonne
Okay, I think I understand.. Thanks Amanda.. I just updated the title, hopefully it will let everyone know that this is my own personal list, and by no means a judgement of anyone.
- Haggis (Sean Loyless)
It's not my scene, but hey...whatevs. It just feels a little meat market-ish to me. People aren't avatars, and I know a couple on the list who wouldn't be proud of being reduced to a FF hottie on someone's list.
- Derrick
Derrick - But a lot of the stuff you post to the really gay room is pretty meat market-ish. Just because they're professional models it's okay to objectify them? We naturally objectify each other because we naturally are sexual creatures. I'm not offended by being on this list, but I don't like being objectified and I think what Haggis has done is a sweet gesture, not a gesture of blind testosterone rubbing one out.
- Mattie Kenny
Didn't anyone see me grab the popcorn earlier? That's your 1st clue.
- Josh Haley
Sean you created a monster didn't you....hehe
- jamar78
Ugh.. no kidding.. I guarantee this list will never be mentioned again outside of these posts. I think i'm gonna unplug for a while and let this all die down.
- Haggis (Sean Loyless)
ok i just now read the whole thread damnit i always miss everything lol joel... ::shakes head:: u kno to some i'm not a lil sister lol ur so funny i luv u!
- Cardeen Martinez
don't let it get to you Sean....all that matters is that you had no malicious intent which you didn't
- jamar78
**blushes** - gee thanks. :) And go hide for a while, Sean... it'll all blow over.
- Jen (SquirrelGirl)
nice list, i have about half of these in a group called "sexy people"
- sean percival
Mattie, any pics I post in the Really Gay Room are A) *in* the Really Gay Room, and B) pictures culled from sites that are meat-marketish to begin with. I would never post pics of Scoble or Louis Gray and say, "oh these are guys I'd like to see naked". And I'm not knocking Sean. I freakin' love Sean. But I also know that there are women on the list who've worked hard at getting to where they are in life and in their careers and to be thought of as a pin-up on FF isn't their bag.
- Derrick
It's about time you chimed in Leather...LMAO...love it...haha
- jamar78
I don't see how posting this in a room would make it any different a situation, Derrick. I don't think that Sean ever said he wanted to see any of the women on the list naked. Is that something I skipped over while scanning the comments? If he said that, then yes. This list is pretty lame. But being admired for your beauty isn't bad. Especially since (for me at least) being a hottie entails being incredibly intelligent and engaging.
- Mattie Kenny
Mattie, that's exactly what I consider a hottie. Attractiveness is only part of the factor. Intelligence, a sense of humor, and many other things go into that equation.
- Haggis (Sean Loyless)
+100 Mattie -- There's always a fine line of taste when these things come into play. These are our normal avatar pics, not semi-nude pics, not anything gratuitous. That's what i think keeps it on the good side of the line. It's really just an innocent list.
- Lindsey is Fierce!
Mattie, I'm not going to fight with you over this. If you want to split ends, say I'm a hypocrite, or engage in double standards, feel free. I don't care. Very simply, I know people who don't want to be referred to as hotties. By anyone. I see them on the list. I speak up. That's it. There are 50 people in the RGR, maybe 20 people see it regularly. That's a HUGE difference than the numbers of people who sub to the home feed. But you know what? Forget I even opened my mouth. Apparently I've become a prude...
- Derrick
That's not what I'm saying, Derrick. Now I understand what you meant by putting the photos up in the RGR versus what Haggis did. Did these women speak up for themselves and say they don't appreciate being called attractive?
- Mattie Kenny
<3 Derrick.. I appreciate what you are saying, and think it's very commendable that you are seeing this from an angle I didn't really see. I know you only have the best intentions with what you are saying. Please no more fighting over this..
- Haggis (Sean Loyless)
I just happen to know them, Mattie. And I didn't say they didn't appreciate being called attractive. I said they, knowing them as I do, woudn't appreciate being culled up on a list and pointed out for the world to ogle.
- Derrick
Sean, you know how I feel about you bud, and I'm not putting you on blast. Consider my hands washed of it.
- Derrick
Mattie, how about you look at it from the flip side...those women who DIDN'T make the list and don't have the benefit of feeling all bubbly inside because they've been deemed "attractive"? It's all well and good when you're on the winning team, apparently.
- tinypants - Hagitha of FF
yeah Sean you are a good person....don't beat yourself up about it
- jamar78
Although you better take my sis' out this damn list!! hehe
- jamar78
Amanda - I don't think not being on the list deems you unattractive and I don't think Haggis is the be all end all of who is or is not attractive. Wow. I'm on the list. BFD. I don't feel or bubbly inside, nor did I take it very seriously. It didn't blip in my radar until I saw people taking major offense to Haggis having posted the list, in which case I looked at it & was surprised to see myself there. I'm not on any "team".
- Mattie Kenny
Haggis, I love the conversations you spawn... feel free to include me in future provocative topics. ~xxxooo~
- Far
I would like to state for the record, should there be a men's list...I would like to opt out. That is all, thank you.
- Christian (Simply X)
Ok gents, let's show the ladies how we roll. (and can someone email me that info ahead of time, so I look like I know what I'm doing?)
- Morgan Haley
Oh too funny. Thanks for including me, Sean. ;-)
- Jennifer Leggio
And the winner for best line from this entire thread..."The picture is too small to see. Am I on it?"...@Martha. thank YOU! I am now cleaning cola off of my keyboard.
- .LAG liked that
How did you manage to limit yourself to only 53?
- j1m
Ok my cat is really pist off...didn't make the cut...gees! LOL
- Susan Beebe
This list is approved, mainly because one certain hottie is the better half :) Sean, not only do you represent a great product, but also exceptional taste. Sir, I owe you a drink! ;)
- Matt Harwood
I'm amazed that neither Lisa Bettany nor Sarah Lacy are showing up in any of these clique building seminar visual aides.
- Matthew DeVries
Ok I am not the brightest crayon in the box so I want to know how the hell do you see a list of people like that. I have different lists but where do I go to see all in just that one list?
- Brandy Lea
Brandy, you see this view when you go into one of your lists then select to Add/Remove friends.
- Kol Tregaskes
I think what Brandy is asking is if she can see someone else's list, which we can't. Haggis might have made a list that is friendfeed.com/list/hotties and he'll see it when he's logged in, but no one else would see it if they went to that same URL. He wouldn't even see it if he logged out and went to that URL.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
I don't think I was subscribed to you when I made this list, Jeunelle. This is almost a year old! :D
- Haggis (Sean Loyless)
Don't misunderstand what I mean. I mean I am thankful I didn't make the list period. PRAISE THE LORD :)
- Jeunelle Foster
We should have an Academy Award of FriendFeed or something. That I would have a long ass speech prepared telling everybody how I'd like to thank all the little people who were responsible for me winning that award and it should be sponsored by Mashable and FFundercats :)
- Jeunelle Foster
How the FF did I miss this thread? Jan 27th??? Thank you! That's a huge compliment. And since it's so old, it's a fun time capsule too.
- Ginger Makela Riker
Welcome Baby Ryan!!! My baby Ryan (17 years!) and I are honored to welcome another superstar to our planet! Love, hugs, and lots of kisses to Baby Ryan, Mommy Maryam, Dad Robert and big brothers Milan & Patrick and of course Grandma!!! My guess on Ryan's arrival (predication) was only 23 hours off. I thought he would arrive on Friday, Sept. 18th at 11:45 pm. Love to all, Kelly & Ryan Kim
- Kelly S. Kim
What a moment, eh? I remember when my daughter came into this world, it was so exciting there were no words for it. Congrats on your wonderful baby boy!
- Michael J. Carrasquillo
Congratulations! Welcome to the world, Ryan. :-)
- Yvette Ferry
Congratulations Robert and Maryam! And welcome Ryan. If I was having a baby today, I'd begin a blog for him/her straight away as an online diary they could look back on when grown up.
- Sandra Large
الهــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــی چقده ناز نازیه.اینو فارسی نوشتم مریم جان بخونن ....راستی به باباش که نرفته:)) خوشگلتره:)) پس به شما رفته
- joupy
I was a c-section six week preemie in an era when that was seriously life-threatening, they didn't know if I would make for the first week. It always gets me a see a c-section / preemie come howling into the world. Welcome, little guy!
- Bob Morris (polizeros)
from iPhone
Beautiful baby! Congratulations daddy man :)
- Gary
:) Congrats Robert... best wishes to your family! Get her name in twitter and ff!
- Business Blogger【ツ】™
Right ON! I am so happy for you. I have 4 kids of my own and they are my greatest joys. Take care and I hope all goes so smooth for him and mom.
- Robert Anderson
Congrats! I wish a long and healthy life.
- Muammer Okumuş
Robert, you newest addition is too freaking adorable. I hope you and Maryam are doing well. Congratulations! Here's to a long, prosperous future!
- Mike Nayyar
We came in this morning for an aversion proceedure (turn the baby into position). They were expecting to induce if they could get him aimed the right way. Five minutes before they were supposed to do the procedure he turned the right way by himself. Then 20 minutes later he turned again. Drat. Anyway, now they are in the process of inducing and watching. Won't know for sure what's going on until later tonight. -
- Robert Scoble
Right now we're just resting and waiting for the inducing agents to start their jobs. It's still possible that we might have to have a caesarian section, because little Ryan isn't in the right position. More probably later this evening, for now I get to geek out while Maryam takes a nap.
- Robert Scoble
Sending lots of beams to Maryam (and you too!) I am out of the loop. I had no idea that the family was growing (and tell M, I'm going to be a grammy come March 1)
- Nancy White
Fingers crossed for a natural delivery... unless Maryam would prefer a c-section ;) Good Luck.
- Travis Koger
What a handsome name you've chosen ;)
- Ryan Whitwam
Robert: I wish you and your wife the safest and best possible birth experience! Here's to a healthy baby boy and Mom!! Keeping you in my thoughts. Leslie
- Leslie Carothers
Good luck to you both; hope all goes smoothly & swiftly.
- Rachel Luxemburg
Nothing but good and positive wishes to Maryam and you and that RSS will come out the second to prettiest baby ever (naturally ours is the prettiest) *wink*
- Rene Wirtz
David: my other son, Patrick, was named for a saint and Milan was named for one of the best writers ever. So there.
- Robert Scoble
Robert!!!!! What great news; it will be early. Why did they induce if the due date was the 25th, or was I wrong?
- Francine Hardaway
wishing you the best. we have a girl due in a few months :)
- Stalyn☂
Francine: because hospitals like to schedule babies, is my guess (Sequoia is like a hotel). But he was breech and they wanted to get him into position, now that she's here they are doing the induction thing.
- Robert Scoble
Good wishes to all. I've never met you and even I'm nervous.
- Amyloo
Good luck with everything, Robert!!! Very exciting! I hope everything turns out perfect in the end!!
- Lindsay
Best wishes Scobs! This must be a very exiting day!
- Jadito
So the doctor said that Ryan is one of the five most active babies she has seen in her practice which is why they didn't let us go home. Usually babies at this stage stay heads down. Ryan isn't. I think we have a wild one! :-)
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
WHATABURGER! Yeehaww! Gotta love Texas. I can only aspire to this level of slobbery.
- Josh Haley
That person has a serious problem of some kind -- I am not a neat freak but that is disgusting
- Brian Sullivan
and i no longer feel bad about how dirty my place is right now. at least i have the excuse of being sick the last week.
- Captain Bubbles
Looks like a hoarder. I have several clients like that. It's really sad and nearly impossible to treat.
- Rochelle
and now i've clicked through the link and OMG...i smoke, but get techy when my "ashtray bucket is more than 1/5 full. the most jarring thing was the pieces of "cleanliness' among that nasty, like all the cleaning supplies adn shampoos in the bathroom. the iron in the kitchen. they'll probably find the tenant under all that trash next to the bed. GROSS>
- Captain Bubbles
Things could breed there. Nasty things.
- David Young
Rochelle: yuck, yuck, yuck. Tell us you don't have to make housecalls and see this kind of stuff on any regular basis. I get a little ill just looking at this, and I am a bit of neatfreak, so yeah, it kind of ties my stomach up in knots looking at it.
- Pete Delucchi
Pete, I do, all the time! I'm a social worker. :)
- Rochelle
OK, whoa, just looked at ALL the pics. That's tough to see. Not safe for the vomit-fragile.
- Josh Haley
Reminds me of a place I was shown when I was looking for my first apartment out of college. I didn't rent the place. It was too scary.
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I get sketchy when I have more than a couple of days worth of laundry to do or if I have dishes in the dishwasher, already pre-rinsed, that haven't been run through the cycles yet. I would have a seizure if I walked into a place like this.
- Jennifer Leggio
i am not a neat freak, but that is just disgusting.
- Heidi Blanton
I have just cleared my desk :) That's awful!
- Vicky
what's a landlord to do with a place like that?
- Jasmin Smith
Jasmin, there are professional companies that specialize in industrial/heavy duty waste cleanup and such that can be hired to come clear out everything. I've priced a few and they're ridiculously expensive. Of course, there's then an issue of pest control if there are bugs, mold control if there is mold, etc.
- Rochelle
This is pretty vile stuff and it says they people *live* here, its not just been left like that.
- Kol Tregaskes
from twhirl
Someone has a serious psychological disorder.
- ·[▪_▪]·
That's not funny. Someone is really bad sick and needs some help. Looks like some form of depression.
- Internet's Tad
Tad, for younger people, it's usually depression combined with Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder. Schizophrenics can also end up with homes like that due to the utter lack of organization in any part of their life. In older adults, it's usually depression combined with dementia.
- Rochelle
wow Rochelle, I'd say it's worth every penny.
- Jasmin Smith
Jasmin, it would be worth if for sure if the person was moving out. But to do a cleanup for someone who will continue living there, it's not worth it unless they're also being treated for the problem. Otherwise, they'll fill the apartment right back up again in no time.
- Rochelle
Rochelle's right, but I don't think this person is a hoarder. Usually hoarder's houses are full of stuff that are somehow meaningful to them like old newspapers or magazine and other stuff which is often stacked relatively neatly. A friend's mom was a really bad hoarder, but she didn't have ANY food or other unsanitary stuff laying around. Her house smelled fine - it was just full (to the ceilings) of junk (newspapers, mail, etc)
- Internet's Tad
Tad, there are different types of hoarders. Usually seniors with dementia are the type to keep meaningful items. Those with schizophrenia end up with homes like in the article.
- Rochelle
That definitely did not go with my lunch. I thought MY house looked bad. My thought was, "There's someone who has completely given up." Maybe this will give me the impetus to get back to getting stuff in order around here.
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
The support talk of other sufferers that started on Reddit was uplifting (especially for those of us who *think* we might have a touch of this). http://www.reddit.com/r...
- Adam Turetzky
Let's face it: it's not really 'living' is it?
- dkb
This hits pretty close to home. My dad is borderline with hoarding. It's probably why I went in the opposite direction with being a neat freak. He doesn't keep food, but seemingly everything else. I dread the day he dies and I have to deal with his house +5 storage units of stuff.
- Heather Solos
Seriously, hoarding can get pretty awful. It's not uncommon for them to keep things that healthy adults would consider garbage, like fast-food wrappers, already-opened envelopes. There are people who even store all their stool and urine in baggies and in cups.
- Victor Ganata
Rochelle, do people who suffer from this tend to also ignore their health? I have a friend who lived this way who died recently and she ignored all her symptoms until it was too late. We spent days cleaning out her house and found about $10,000 worth of stuff never taken out of the original wrappers and mail order boxes.
- Trish R
Oh, I'm totally late in responding to Trish R's question. But yes, Trish, that's very common because people with hoarding problems generally have coexisting mental illness, which goes hand-in-hand with neglect of personal health care.
- Rochelle
speaking as someone who spent over a decade battling major depression, i can totally understand the mindset behind this behaviour. thank fuck that's in my PAST.
- Joe Silence is not dead
Very sad. (I'm surprised it hasn't all gone up in flames.) I bet many of us know someone with some version of this problem, and some of us might have milder forms of it from time to time. (My stuff does get messy, but I'll go into purge mode periodically to get rid of all the crap. My problem is more that I run out of time daily to tend to some stuff properly. I definitely don't leave food out and stuff like that, though.)
- Kamilah Gill
Weird. I have to say I'm insecure enough that when an acquaintance repeatedly dropped from my followers, I thought she was dissing me. Only later did I realize that Twitter was borking.
- Spidra Webster
If you go to the direct messages page and try to use the pulldown menu to choose someone to send a DM to, it's completely random who is on that list, it seems. You have to actually go to the person's page to send them a DM sometimes.
- Laura Norvig
TechCrunch isn't the best about linking back, either. Just sayin'. I still love TC, though. Good reads.
- Jolie O'Dell
If the article's down, I'm sure it's cached.
- Jolie O'Dell
Copying? In what way? I saw the statement (on Current) and wrote an article. The image I found in a cc search. If it's copyrighted, I'll take the image down asap.
- Ben Parr
Ben: Can you link us to the post in question?
- Jolie O'Dell
Ben posted his article before this was posted, it looks like it happened the other way around Scoble. http://mashable.com/2009...
- Jimminy
@Jolie: If we use your video work without credit/links, just email me and I'll fix it.
- Ben Parr
It was part of a post on Dan Zarella's work. Pete referenced the video but made no mention of the fact that it was originally created for and published on RWW. Now, to be fair, Dan asked and received permission to use the video on his own, but it just doesn't look good for Mashable. And people notice.
- Jolie O'Dell
I just sent you a DM Scoble. It sums up to this: I do not appreciate your attacking my journalistic integrity. I have never, on purpose or ever, stole content from anyone and liberally link back if you were a consistent reader of my articles
- Ben Parr
Furthermore, the LA time piece came AFTER my article, published on September 1st, not the 2nd.
- Ben Parr
Glad to hear this one was a misunderstanding... whew. The drama!
- Jolie O'Dell
Why do I get the feeling we're going to read all about this on Techmeme later today or tomorrow? Can we all just get along?
- Wayne Sutton
from iPhone
Jimminy - thanks for the link. I took the statement from - http://current.com/sl... and credited it to Current in the article. I never take or steal from anyone purposely for any reason. Ever.
- Ben Parr
Ben: how did you get the release? From Current.tv? Why not link to the original? I've Tweeted all of this.
- Robert Scoble
And, Ben, someone sent me this post. So, perception out there is why I wrote this. Glad you cleared it up and I'm sorry I questioned your integrity. I didn't see attribution in the original and it looked strange.
- Robert Scoble
that statement was of sufficient public interest that I figured the lack of attribution wasn't the biggest deal in the world. I read the statement on mashable and was glad to get the chance to. of course generally speaking attribution is important, I'm just saying.
- Marshall Kirkpatrick
Scoble: I did link, to current.tv's homepage. The statement appears on the homepage when you visit the first time. It changes after the first time you visit the homepage. That is something I will remember for the future.
- Ben Parr
...and if you ever wanted to see a navel-gazing blogger sh*tstorm in six minutes flat... HERE WE ARE!!!
- Jolie O'Dell
Even though he was wrong, I'm glad Scoble is now the copyright police. AP was doing a really bad job. Kidding, it's an important issue and it's good it gets talked about.
- Dominic Jones
Scoble, he got it from the Current site, it's front page there currently. There is no link to the LA Times version on Current either.
- Jimminy
Interesting. Regardless of linking back or not, I'm tired of bloggers not coming up with their own stories/angles and writing posts ABOUT other posts, period. My unsolicited $0.02.
- Jennifer Leggio
Marshall: it's always best to explain how you got the information and link to the original, if it's on the web somewhere. It's like forgetting a footnote in a college paper.
- Robert Scoble
Check your facts, always, plz. Kthx.
- Andru Edwards
Jennifer, in our mutual defense, only so much news happens in any given day. And unlike @arrington, not all of us can just make sh*t up. ;)
- Jolie O'Dell
My question, how the f*ck did the LA Times get a copyright on this when it came directly from Laura and Euna on the Current site.
- Jimminy
Jolie, Yeah, but letting news drive all of the content is just lazy. Then again I tend to veer toward more feature / interview type stuff anyway. To each his - or her - own. :) We're in agreement about @arrington, though. ;-)
- Jennifer Leggio
Jimminy: LA Times puts copyright on everything. Truth is LA Times didn't link either. which is why my reader was confused. By the way, I've just apologized to Ben on Twitter. See, it all works out.
- Robert Scoble
Jennifer: I am worried about that trend as well. However, most stories are broken by just one (of millions) of instutitions, or are reporting on a public statement and we all pick up on it. I try to give a smart analysis on those stories though.
- Ben Parr
Ben - Agree. A unique angle helps, but sometimes I think those unique stories are diminished because everyone is racing to get the most page views.
- Jennifer Leggio
I wonder what we're going to blame things on after Drew beats his cancer?
- Robert Scoble
Also - I'm going to wager Current didn't link back to the holy la times because they broke the release story. ChloeS had the inside track before the times knew it was daylight.
- Ed Shahzade /NextInstinct
I own blamescoble.com. Dave Winer thinks I should create a wiki out of it - what do you think?
- Jesse Stay
Robert: I was not editor then, and it's a much larger and stronger team now.
- Ben Parr
@robert: seeing as how you KNOW PEOPLE AT MASHABLE, why didn't you bother to verify it as accurate before making it public?
- Jeremy Toeman
Jolie: Group hug! Jennifer and PJ: Always feel free to email criticism or thoughts at ben@mashable.com, and I will email you mine.
- Ben Parr
PJ - Agreed. I actually wrote a post that dug into the topic on PR 2.0 last week. I would link it, but I don't want to post whore. :)
- Jennifer Leggio
I think Scoble should do a guest post on Mashable
- Wayne Sutton
from iPhone
Jesse, I say we take Scoble's avatar and replace his mouth with a text input and then we can cram the stuff we blame Scoble for down his throat. In a nice way.
- Jimminy
So what's the verdict on the Gmail piece??
- Minu Nianda
Jeremy Toeman makes the best point in this thread.
- Jennifer Leggio
Jeremy: in hindsight that probably would have been better way to go. I live in public, though, for better or for worse. Sometimes better. Sometimes worse. No one can accuse me of playing footsie behind closed doors, though.
- Robert Scoble
Crap happens, and I'm glad to have people like Robert Scoble paying attention. I'm sure it wasn't anything purposely done, but the fact that we have checks and balances and a code of conduct is a great thing.
- drew olanoff
@Robert: what kind of a BS answer is that? you PUBLICLY ACCUSED them. period. no footsie, no nothing. now if *anyone* thinks they actually did that, you are to blame, because they might not have noticed your follow-up tweet. it's irresponsible.
- Jeremy Toeman
I don't see the link on the Mashable article to the Current page. Where is it? I find it funny that Ben Parr and Mashable are being called out for using a statement, and ostensibly linking to Current, from Current employees instead of the LA Times. Considering the story is identical on Current and the LA Times, it's almost likely they issued the statement to multiple news outlets....
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- Mark Trapp
Thanks drew. Truth is, a reader of mine sent me this and wondered why Mashable does this. So, glad the perception was dealt with in public.
- Robert Scoble
@Drew: yes, the code of conduct is to VERIFY RUMORS before making accusations.
- Jeremy Toeman
@Robert: something you could have verified and cleared up in private, there was no reason to do so in public.
- Jeremy Toeman
Mark, we've already concluded the direct-from-source version was the one on Current, still haven't seen a proper link to it though.
- Jimminy
Jeremy: fair enough. I work in public. That's my tool of choice.
- Robert Scoble
One reason not to link to the original is because then your readers will see how little value you added to the piece you copied.
- Dominic Jones
Robert - But to Jeremy's point, if you're trying to serve the community, don't you owe it to the community to check accuracy? Otherwise it's perpetuating the problem. We went straight to an issue of accused plagiarism to one of potential libel.
- Jennifer Leggio
Jennifer: true. I went over the line.
- Robert Scoble
Jimminy: fair enough. Thought I was blind with the link, because in this discussion, Ben Parr said he linked the story to Current.
- Mark Trapp
Wow, everything unfolded and wrapped up in 45 minutes. Talk about real time.
- Mona Nomura
I added a clarification to the bottom of the article in question so nobody else gets confused. Hopefully that ends all confusion and @scobleizer and I can be friends again. If there are future issues, I respond to emails fast and DMs faster.
- Ben Parr
Mark, the post has been amended, the link is at the very bottom of the article now.
- Jimminy
Pete Cashmore stole my heart with his good looks!
- sean percival
I hope Armageddon ends up in a group hug like this
- Jesse Stay
this reminds me of that time Glenn Beck misconstrued something someone said and then got called on it and apologized...wait, dammit, that didn't happen that was just a dream I had last night argh
- Marco(aureliusmaximus)
What you didn't see in the video of Robert interviewing me was that we were, in fact, playing footsie. Whew. Glad I got that off my chest. Sorry, Robert. It had to be said in light of all this public venting. :)
- Lon Cohen
Here we go again..... So I had a look and coming in late on this I see at the bottom Mashable link to Current - OK, all fixed everyone happy. I went and read the louisgray.com post @Scoble linked to above and Louis links to a post on parislemon.com regarding Ars Technica so I read that and am then having a quick look at the Ars post and a 'similar' post is recommended by Ars to me on...
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- Stephen Edgar
Try the Saké they said, we won't let you do anything crazy they said...
- Joe Pierce
It was only _after_ the test drive that the man finally noticed it wasn't an actual VW Rabbit. Despite this, he still gave high marks for handling and acceleration."
- abacab
"I bet you regret taking the Red Pill. Now you know how far down the rabbit-hole goes or do you *wink*"
- Jim Goldstein
"No, really honey, you look so sexy, it's really gonna help us sell this piece of crap car!"
- Slippy "WildBeard" Lane
2. A retweet usually gets retweeted, a lot. I retweeted a guy this morning saying that Eric Schmidt had resigned from Apple's board. That got retweeted a lot.
- Robert Scoble
Likes, just "bump" content, while a retweet duplicates the content and potentially gets shared several times.
- Rob Diana
I like retweet better. But if facebook had a dislike button, I would be equally happy!
- Dakota O'Neill
like is only promoting to shared friends where are retweet is promoting to everyone. No?
- Edwin Khodabakchian
3. A retweet gets you credit, while "likes" just get you buried and no one is sure why they got lots of engagement.
- Robert Scoble
Facebook is a joke. Like on friendfeed is pretty simple too. A retweet say a lot about your content but I think generating an actual discussion in friendfeed is the most powerful
- Johnny
The retweet also directly acknowledges the original author, building relationship. FF Likes on Twitter have no such attribution.
- Peter Kelley
Johnny: A retweet will get more conversation going and get you branded more than clicking like will.
- Robert Scoble
That said, I love likes. You can check my likes out at http://www.friendfeed.com/scoblei... -- that's something that's hard to do with a retweet. I've done 21,000 likes so far. I don't know of a way to count how many retweets I've done.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: I agree. I was saying that generating a conversation (like this one) is more powerful than likes and retweets.
- Johnny
I think that you're right, Robert. The Twitter retweet is better because there's some action behind it. In my opinion, the Facebook "like" feature really doesn't do much. It's more of a placebo than anything. Facebook's like is just a "slap on the wrist" letting the author know that it's "approved" by other people who come to the site. There's no reward for getting the most "likes" - it's like Digg but more retarded and something you wish you could euthanize already.
- Kenneth
A like is just FB's way of trying to copy twitter and facebook, but I guess google reader has the same thing now
- Billy Fung
Also, here, likes can be used to search. You can tell FriendFeed's search engine "show me all items about Google that Scoble has liked."
- Robert Scoble
I think likes are great, but FriendFeed should also work on its presentation of reshares. I'd extend the datamodel to support an optional "originating item" for each item. The text (via: [url]) looks a bit messy.
- Meryn Stol
your #1 reason for why RT is better than something is because it ends up in friendfeed??? not much of an incentive for the ~44 million twitter users really, is it?
- Jeremy Toeman
With a retweet, it can be shared with multiple friends across MULTIPLE networks - my tweets can be posted onto Twitter, FriendFeed and even Facebook. Where does the Facebook "like" come into play? No where! Tweet away!
- Kenneth
Exactly my thoughts too Meryn. Twitter should implement that as well. The original source gets lost after a couple of RTs.
- Sumanth Kolar
Kenneth: you can send your likes on FF to Twitter, I do
- Peter Kelley
Too much noise on Facebook, I still keep RTs in high regard.
- Amy Chorew
Jeremy: a large percentage of my Facebook friends are sending their Tweets over there. Facebook has a similar liking system. I guarantee you that there's more than 44 million on Facebook (last number I heard was 250 million). And I'm getting WAY MORE engagement here on FriendFeed than I am on Twitter.
- Robert Scoble
Twitter's reach is the key -- added to FriendFeed's real-time conversation, it's a powerful combo. Facebook is still too much of a walled garden.
- Don Tamihere
Peter: good point. I think I was dragging on Facebook's "like" and not FF. Now if you want to compare FriendFeed's likes with Facebook's...that's another can of worms I don't wanna go into.
- Kenneth
The database guy in me (my left elbow) is screaming that re-tweets duplicate data in a way that isn't easy to track. The social effects are nice, but can't this be replicated in a way that's a lot cleaner and more useful?
- Ryan Massie
but ya said friendfeed, not facebook. :)
- Jeremy Toeman
Jeremy: read the headline again. I specifically mentioned Facebook. And, anyway, we're all here on FriendFeed. How did THAT happen?
- Robert Scoble
well i came here because i wanted to see what you were up to and since you don't blog anymore... ;)
- Jeremy Toeman
Jeremy: heh, why blog when I can have engagement with you here?
- Robert Scoble
RT as it feels like more of a commitment to the content rather than a passive vote
- Daniel W. Rasmus
because you need to keep up your overall internet presence. doing it here is not in your best interests. IMHO that is. :)
- Jeremy Toeman
On a side note: currently Google Reader "likes" are worthless as you can´t even subscribe to someone else´s like-stream. It´s even hard to find a way to see your own like-stream in Google Reader (although there /are/ at least 4 ways...)
- peter huesken
Re-Tweets have this very natural word-of-mouth feel, but I'm concerned that you loose metadata by doing it the way twitter does. Instead of taking the firehose data to re-assemble this metadata after the fact, shouldn't the platform build the metadata as part of the process? I'm not saying that the word-of-mouth feel should go away by any means, but how accurate are the re-tweet counts that I have been seeing on sites recently?
- Ryan Massie
James: They're more viral on FriendFeed due to the friend-of-a-friend views than they are on Facebook. But you're right, it's nothing like twitter.
- Ryan Massie
Also Re-Tweeting has another problem: How do you retweet a tweet of more than 133 chars without paraphrasing at least part of it?
- peter huesken
FriendFeed Likes are much more elegant than a retweet - the Grey Poupon of SM. :)
- Nick in Manila
Why does one have to be "better" than the other? They are two different apps for sharing thoughts about content. The RT works well on Twitter, you just RT anything you like (and feel other might find interesting). When you like someone's content on FB, you give it a vote and everyone who is a friend can see it. If you want to add a comment you comment. If you want to share it, you use the share function. Now you can share tweets RTs on Facebook anyway, I'm not sure why it even matters which is better.
- nicky jameson
A retweet takes more time to do and shows more interest.
- Randy Allen Bishop
This is wrong. A retweet is copying someone's work and trying to drive traffic towards yourself using it. A like and/or a comment is much better as you are acknowledging the work of the author. Retweeting is parasitic. Liking is symbiotic.
- Alex Scoble
Alex: that's interesting. As a content owner I'd rather you retweet, though. Why? Gets my ideas greater distribution.
- Robert Scoble
What Randy said. A "like" means different things to different people. To me it might mean, "the title of this sounds good, the topic interests me, but I don't have time to read it." I would "Like" something like that, but I would *never* retweet something without visiting the link first and at least scanning it, preferably reading the whole thing. Also, Alex, I don't think a retweet is an attempt to drive traffic towards yourself. How do you figure?
- Laura Norvig
Because when people see the retweet they are seeing what you wrote. It's the same as if I copied a blog post from Robert and put it on my blog with attribution to him. I'm doing this to get people to read my blog, I'm not doing it to help him. If I really wanted to help him, I would link to his blog post and write something about why I agree or disagree with that. A retweet is parasitic...
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- Alex Scoble
Alex: first of all, nothing you write in 140 characters is going to have much value, and certainly won't be enough value to charge for it. Second of all, if you RT: properly you also link to the source person or URL. Third of all, it's nothing even close to copying an entire blog post, but that really is sweet that you think Tweeting is blogging. They both have the same attributes, I...
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- Robert Scoble
RT's on Twitter are more manual and take a little more engagement then Like unless you are using SW to manage your tweets - RT duplicates...
- Robert Freeze
Alex, your logic is twisted, no? RT is intended to share with your followers something someone else said or found, who they might not already be following. If traffic is driving anywhere it's to them; those reading your RT are already following you. Your point also assumes everyone's playing the numbers game.
- Jim Barry
First off, I don't write in 140 characters, because I do all my posting from friendfeed. 140 character limit is whack, but that's another argument. Second, nothing about Twitter really builds participation. It's all about islands versus on friendfeed, which is why reposting (I hate the "tweet" non-word) is even necessary. The fact that it's necessary is a symptom of the problems of the...
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- Alex Scoble
They serve different purposes. FB/FF like is just a quick shared bookmark. Twitter has a Favorite option that's similar, but it's geared toward recall more so than sharing/recommending. Retweet is not even a built-in Twitter feature, but many Twitter apps have the feature and people use it to share/recommend other people's tweets.
- Lawrence Liu
from twhirl
Alex: if you visit my blog you'll notice that my like feed isn't showing up in the FriendFeed widget there, while my retweets are. That's a huge problem and one I don't know how to solve.
- Robert Scoble
How about the share option in FF, then change the FWD: to RT?
- Lee
I will like things here when I don't want to comment, but I hadn't thought of it as a proxy for RT. Now you have me thinking about forwarding my likes here twitter.
- dthree
Isn't this just like a Scobelizer chat room?
- Peter Mullen
I think I'm going to take the core of your question Robert and post it to my Facebook non-social media friends and see if they can even parse the question. I'd expect some funny "uh...what?" responses.
- Elliott Ng
the like SHOULD be much better. this is a voting system. FF needs to help you filter content this way however. retweets just confuse things even more and create even more noise. FF should have default searches that are all your friends with 2+ likes...this is your personal best of the day. if FF does not make use of these advantages, then it will continue to muddle about.
- lew
Here's why Robert and I disagree. He sees these spaces as primarily a marketing tool for building a brand and getting his media out to eyeballs. Reposts work great for that because it's like a ball thrown in to a room of mousetraps. I mostly want to have conversations and am here for fun. Reposts suck for that because they fragment conversations. I don't like that...AT all. :) That's why both services can coexist.
- Alex Scoble
++ Alex... services like this don't succeed because they are good marketing platforms, they succeed because regular people like to use them.
- LogEx
as soon as we have threaded conversations on twitter, i suspect you will hate conversation being distributed on duplicates (retweets). My vote is for likes on ff.
- Sajida H Khan
when i like something it gets tweeted... so it's like a retweet for friendfeed content... it doesn't come back over here as my own, but that's okay with me
- Chris Heath
The ReTweet is -sometimes- better as it keeps track of the last RTers.
- Thierry R. Andriamirado
Once again, FriendFeed and Twitter are complementary: it's better when a FF 'like' is ReTweeted again and again. Facebook's like.. huh.. it's.. different (?)
- Thierry R. Andriamirado
Retweeting on twitter is equlivent to "share" on friendfeed. Retweet and like are uncomparable, in the same way that twitter's favorite and ff's like are uncomparable.
- Andy Bakun
from Android
the spammers are here - how do we report the guy above?
- Aaman (Clone of FF)
Robert, I think you're completely wrong. FriendFeed ranking is poo. A retweet is mostly poo --- depends on the context of your Twitter experience, and your POV. Is your POV "Is it better to BE retweeted? Or liked as a status update on FaceBook" ? or "Is it better to retweet someone ELSE'S Tweet or to Like someone else's FaceBook update?" I'd argue in both cases, the retweet sucks....
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- Gib
Gib: where do you get the poo from? Sigh.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: OMG! you're like the fasted gun in the west! By poo I mean, as a person without your scaling issues, if someone Retweets any random Tweet of mine, I'm like, "huh? THAT'S what you want to repeat to your following?" For mortals, viral stuff isn't everyday occurrence. On the other hand, as a mortal, on FaceBook, when a few people like a photo or update or comment, my other friends...
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- Gib
I agree with Andy that a Twitter retweet is more like a FF share than a like. "Retweet", in my opinion, is simply Twitter-speak for "share".
- Dennis Jernberg
On the moment itself an RT is better, but a 'like' has a longer life, since it can be used in FF search queries.
- nooble
RT was a community generated method, and can easily be done in friendfeed or facebook
- Mark Essel
from iPhone
I think we can expect Google Reader and Facebook, among others, to emulate FriendFeed's useful "Like" system in more ways, including likes in feeds, as a search filter, etc. SOON.
- Ryan Sholin
+Alex. I agree much more with his sentiments than Robert's; likes are a much better way of showing appreciation for a post. 1. I don't care about building my brand. 2. Why wouldn't likes propagate just as well as RTs? They both show up in my FF stream. 3. See 1. Don't worry, Robert will come around eventually, just like he did with following people on Twitter.
- Niklas Morberg
I guess I'm against the grain on the RT versus Like feature. I don't hate RT but I think they can become Spam noise in some ways. If you follow several people who follow the same people, you get an endless flow of the same tweet for a while with no extra value. Whereas a "Like" (in FriendFeed) bumps the conversation back into many peoples focus. In both FF and FB, the "like" also tags it to your attention when future comments are made.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
If you use Feedly in Conjunction with Retweets and Tweets you can kind of follow your Karma and get feedback on how they are dynamic and changing
- Robert Higgins
We all know Twitter is the front-end & FriendFeed is the back-end ;) Hype builds quicker on Twitter, FriendFeed hosts the discussion.
- CannonGod
You can add ur own opinion on a RT if space permits. with ff its commenting and liking which are 2 different things. U can comment and not 'like' the post.
- Freddie Benjamin
Very good point Freddie but that usually gives you no room when you include the "RT @username" or the new person alters the original tweet (I hate this). RT is to Like as @ reply is to commenting. Both serve close to the same purpose but work very different. FF's direction keeps everything tighter coupled while Twitter is very loosely coupled in the approach.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
This one is worth a retweet in itself: That said, I love likes. You can check my likes out at http://www.friendfeed.com/scoblei... -- that's something that's hard to do with a retweet. I've done 21,000 likes so far. I don't know of a way to count how many retweets I've done. - Robert Scoble
- Riaz Kanani
Facebook is closed, essentially, as I will always only ever see a "like" from either someone who is already my friend or a friend of a friend. Twitter is open, in that when someone I'm following retweets (from either someone they're following --- a 1st gen RT --- or a 2nd/3rd gen RT of someone they're following is also following or exposed to...whew!...) well, then I am exposed to a...
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- Thom Kennon
Oh, weren't you bitching about FF stupid posts not making you smarter last week? Well, here ya go. No more bitching. We get to talk about bacon again.
- Eric @ CSTechcast.com
well we know what tomorrow's caption contest will be on Valleywag :-)
- Duncan Riley
There have been too many pics of his naked chest this week.
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Yeah, I don't care how many people take pictures of themselves in the shower, I'm not gonna join in that memefest. No thank you. Besides you've already seen my brother in the shower...Remove some weight, adjust the nose a bit and you've got me too...ugh...that's just so wrong.
- Alex Scoble
Tina: I hope they don't do a shower meme. I'm not going to take a picture of myself in the shower, no matter how drunk you get me. *lol*
- Mol, Santa Claws
Is this your entry for the bitch face meme? It's a very disappointingly happy bitch face.
- Pete Delucchi
With all that flyin' around, Twittering, and Friendfeeding, he's gotta need 3 or 4 showers a day. The question is ..... Which soap is he plugging ? :)
- Charlie Anzman
I hope it's lever 2000 messing with Valleywag :)
- Anthony Farrior
Holy shit! I just spit my Earl Grey tea all over the damn place!
- ursi
That is just so wrong in all the right ways. Or is it right in all the wrong ways? In any event, the freaking penguin foot behind the dudes knee is hilarious.
- Andru Edwards
Human subject appears to want to ride an inflatable bird. I think for proper balance, he should be sitting more forward with legs in front of the wings. The material appears to be standard plastic, probably inflated with air which might cause excess moisture when in direct contact with human skin. That might be the intent of the subject. Unknown. For better photographic results, the lamp should probably be out of frame and on the right for better framing of the subject. Amateur. Ok, if intended!
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@·[▪_▪]·very well put :) What I can't say goes for this guy :)
- Baard @ Pixum
I didn't think the Japanese could have such a dark tan... (HAHAHA... YU SEE, EET'S FUNNY 'CAUSE THE JAHPANESE ARE PAHVERTED! HAHA!)
- teh Dork Knight aka Kenny
Well, as your unofficial medical advisor, I recommend that you immediately treat yourself with a substance called "Scotch on the Rocks"
- Ben Jackson
from twhirl
Vegas, so tempting. Several people I know are going soon. It's my disfunctional home away from home. Where do you usually stay and play?
- Eric @ CSTechcast.com
Eric - I usually stay at Mandalay Bay but I like playing at some of the smaller casinos for lower stakes poker tourneys. I always hit craps at New York New York though. Very lucky tables. ;-)
- Jennifer Leggio
Steph - It will be if I can find a partner in crime :)
- Jennifer Leggio
Nice. I've been at the MGM Grand the past few trips, with a run at Diamond status at Caesar's/Harrah's system before that. Free food and rooms until their games went to hell. I like poker, but it's just so stressful for me. I usually stick to video poker and blackjack. Sorry to ramble, I like talking Vegas. Join the room: http://friendfeed.com/rooms...
- Eric @ CSTechcast.com
No worries. I don't do video or slots. It doesn't do much for me. In poker, I only play in tourneys, and I've placed in the top five a few times. Craps is my favorite for just kicking back and not caring so much about winning. It's just fun. :)
- Jennifer Leggio
Had the most realistic nightmare ever last night. I was in the passenger seat of a convertible when someone outside the car wrapped something around my neck and tried to choke me. I thought it was a joke at first and got my head out of it but they did it again and this time I really felt it.
yikes shey! i was sitting in my car at the honolulu airport with my window down and a really big and drunk Samoan reached in and grabbed my face... he did it twice! just like your dream... anyway, i had no idea what the deal was and he just walked away. weird.
- Trish Haley
I didn't. I am so behind on my reading. Let me go check it out now!
- Jennifer Leggio
That's a great post, Rob. Will share it. Who knew those resources were out there.
- Jennifer Leggio
Seems you are feeding the echo chamber :-)
- andy brudtkuhl
I just found the timing funny because I wrote this morning, then I saw your post. I guess great minds think alike :)
- Rob Diana
Agreed. In my friendfeed "hide more like this" I want to have a key word and a time option. eg. Hide *real men* for 12 hrs....
- James Fridley
Rob - It was kind of a second part to my "I am popular on Twitter. Here is why this means nothing" post from last week. It's still bugging me. :)
- Jennifer Leggio