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Mobs will now be a fact of life. Here are the two choices we all must make online: - http://ourdoings.com/roberts...
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Hurt. Or help. A mob that is helping is a good thing. I am donating $100 to #blamedrewscancer. That is good. What about if 1,000 did that? But some just want to hurt. They call names. Say people have zero value, or worse. I am sorry I have been part of mobs that do that. It is easy to become part of a cheering mob against other people. Too easy maybe, but I would rather have free speech than not. Go ahead and say I have zero value or that I, or my friends, are douchebags or should be dead. I will defend your right to say that. But we all do have a choice: are we hurting or helping other people? I do find that lately I haven't been on the right side of that choice. How about you?
- Robert Scoble
So it sums down to with great power comes great responsibility.
- Usman Bashir
I'm gonna call you a name right now Robert. Cool.
- Tyler Gillies
from email
It's easy to be in a mob doing good, just think of the actions of the mob from someone not in it. Trouble is, it's easier to be in a mob doing bad because it is easier not to think.
- ɹןʇnqן
Drew: what is the best use of the $100? #blamedrewscancer
- Robert Scoble
We used to call these Groundswells - why the "mob" mentality all of the sudden?
- Jesse Stay
I like the concept but I think you should choose a different name for a group doing positive work. Mob has negative connotations and dilutes the good message.
- Martha
Jesse: words that have fewer characters are better for Twitter.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, I think the word "mob" brings more traffic :-)
- Jesse Stay
Very good point, Jesse. Hit 'em with the sensational headline!
- Martha
Jesse: yes. Pageviews rule our language.
- Robert Scoble
I'm donating $25/mo to the American Cancer Society on behalf of #blamedrewscancer btw - I think it's a simple, cheap cause to participate in. (and so many of us are affected!)
- Jesse Stay
I called out some people who do mostly hurt other people online.
- Robert Scoble
I wonder if they will join the helpful movement?
- Robert Scoble
Hey Robert - (not for my benefit), you should see if Rackspace can offer a discount per month on those that set up monthly payments to American Cancer Society on behalf of #blamedrewscancer. Might be a great way to evangelize your brand and help out a good cause at the same time.
- Jesse Stay
Got my answers from http://twitter.com/dahowle...
- Robert Scoble
@dahowlett's comment is ridiculous - so I have to stick to Twitter to not be beaten up by the much larger mob? What is this - mob wars? The Twitter mob vs. the FriendFeed mob? Silly us - we're in the wrong mob!
- Jesse Stay
Jesse: dahowlett earlier said I have zero value. Really hurtful.
- Robert Scoble
Social networking is about building communities. A mob is just a community without responsible leadership. Keeping a community from becoming a mob requires leadership. Without that, anything can happen.
- Jack (a.k.a. Jeber)
mobs have always been a fact of life - through thousands of years of history. using mob mentality to do good is interesting; and beneficial. but is it a good idea? here's another idea. don't just try to use mobs for good, try to leave mobs that are bad. starve out mob mentality. mobs don't start as a group - they start as an individual. someone who usually understands mobs; how they...
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- MikeAmundsen
has all this come from the fact that Arringtons feelings were hurt the other week when everyone bashed him on FF and loved up to Leo ?
- Mark
I would rather not make this thread about Arrington. There are others who say FriendFeed isn't a helpful community.
- Robert Scoble
Please define 'mob.' Do you mean a violent, riotous leaderless group? "the mob overturned cars and smashed storefronts" Or a massive celebration of an exciting event? "the streets were filled with mobs of joyous supporters chanting 'Yes, we did!' as the final election results poured in"
- Andrew Feinberg
Ah, well Loren and Dennis answered on twitter
- Mark
Robert: you have extreme value. every single friendfeed post you make goes straight to my email inbox
- Tyler Gillies
"How am I serving the other person" is another way to phrase it ;)
- Nicholas Orr
Andrew: mobs online can be both helpful and hurtful, yes.
- Robert Scoble
I think twitterers get carrried away with all the "good" they are doing the planet with a $100 here or there. What is needed is CIVIC involvement. Electing people to SERVE that are not beholden or totally in the pocket of BigPharm, BigAg, Insurance companies and banks. Then--just maybe--if it is not too late, we will build a civil and engaged democracy where money is going into...
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- Meryl Steinberg
I saw another FF post earlier today from someone complaining of negative comments. I say screw them. Don't let the "mob" of negativity affect your own good work. If someone is complaining about you, there usually are other issue underneath that truly have nothing to do with you. You know you do good and that you have value. Leave the "mob" behind and the "group" of do-gooders will follow your call.
- Martha
Mark: yup. They are building their brands on top of being hurtful. Me? I am going the other way. Funny dahowlett just keeps running his mouth about things he knows nothing about.
- Robert Scoble
Quite frankly I'm getting tired of all the hurt. Maybe it's hypocritical of me to say so being that I'm part of the "Washington Establishment Journalism" scene. But then again I'm going to be evicted in a few months anyway because I can't find a paying outlet for positive, fair discussion or examination of things that people should find important. Maybe I should be in the hurt business...because pulling punches isn't paying right now (any exceptions?)
- Andrew Feinberg
Still going to blog about this Robert? http://friendfeed.com/scoblei...
- Mark
Mark: yup I am working on that.
- Robert Scoble
I am slowly learning to comment on FF, and not worry about the 'troll' or mob who will shoot down my comment. FF is a helpful community. I like it here.
- Mike Nencetti
mike: gtfo. just kidding ;)
- Tyler Gillies
I guess I'm missing something here. There seems to be an argument going around that FriendFeed breeds mobs because it's too good at bringing people together and getting them engaged - i.e. it's a very effective communications platform and the solution to the problems that stem from it is to move back to a less effective communications platform.
- Edward Coffey
edward: yep pretty much
- Tyler Gillies
Best way to control or destroy a mob is to cut off it's head.
- Stuart Tracte
Just getting caught up and saw this rucus - tyergillies...That's what it's about - Wow
- PXLated
Perhaps part of FriendFeed's power is that people -- for the most part -- aren't anonymous. It's hard to even hide behind a handle. And so contributors have an interest in building a reputation. The fastest way to build a reputation is to throw bombs.
- Andrew Feinberg
@Andrew if you want the reputation of being a firestarter, then yes, you're correct. I prefer to take the high road.
- Stuart Tracte
the fastest way to earn a block is by throwing bombs
- Tyler Gillies
Interesting one of the definitions of mob is the mass of common people or populace (edited for sp)
- Kim Landwehr
tylergillies: Glad I've got that more-or-less right. Now, call me crazy, but if just giving people a good way to communicate makes them form into a mob, then I think the problem lies with the people, not the platform.
- Edward Coffey
edward: reminds me of the tower of babel
- Tyler Gillies
The word mob has a negative connotation. How about the word bloc? There are plenty of likeminded people joining together for a positive, common cause.
- Stuart Tracte
I think FriendFeed is probably the best example to date of a platform that gets out of the way and lets a huge number of people communicate in a very direct and immediate manner with friends and strangers alike. My impression is that a lot of people struggle with that initially, and fail to understand that the basic consideration that you give to a real solid meat-person you're talking...
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- Edward Coffey
I mean obviously people, especially newbies, fail to understand that in all kinds of online fora, but FriendFeed allows a huge number of people to fail in a very direct, immediate and personal way, all at once.
- Edward Coffey
Arrington called me a cult leader now. Hah!
- Robert Scoble
robert: look who's talking
- Tyler Gillies
There are trolls on any forum, I've learned. I've seen them on Facebook, on Twitter, here on FF. And before that, I saw them in class, I've heard them on the radio, etc. Bottom line: there will always be trolls. The key is how you deal with them (or not deal with them.)
- Curt Mercadante
If I lead a cult it is one where very few listen to me. Oh, can you pass the Koolaide?
- Robert Scoble
define "very few"
- Tyler Gillies
Tyler: out of 97,000 how many take any action? Not many.
- Robert Scoble
it helps scoble to thank you on providing me the inspiration on who i wanted to be in my real life your presence helps scoble
- @runb@laj!
Nah: to have a cult you have to have followers who will drink the Kool Aide. I am far far from that.
- Robert Scoble
You actually meet some of the criteria for a cult leader:p one of the most important is to be "charasmatic"!!
- Mark
but robert isnt kool aide what the riddle is?
- @runb@laj!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...
- Mark
I gotta read Mikes tweets, this is hilarious.
- Mark
Mark: http://www.twitter.com/arringt...
- Robert Scoble
RT Arrington "FF is actually getting scary. And scoble is sounding like a cult leader." - Welcome to the FriendFeed - donations accepted.
- Mark
do you guys take blood? ;)
- Tyler Gillies
mark that is the plan
- @runb@laj!
What a day. Time will tell if FF will descend into an open mob which society will rise up against. Time will tell if Arrington ever comes back to FF (his site is supposed to cover the hottest start-ups after all). And time will tell if Robert writes that blog post he promised tomorrow.
- Mark
Robert et al: Why must there be only bad connotations with the term 'mob'? Why is it assumed that if there is a mob they can only wreak havoc? I think largely because those sorts of mobs are the ones we get to see evidence of via media.Why don't we create a different sort of mob. One that provides value and doesn't tear down others? That is how you started this thread, right?
- Sheryl
Sheryl: right.
- Robert Scoble
mob n. # a disorderly crowd of people # syndicate: a loose affiliation of gangsters in charge of organized criminal activities # throng: press tightly together or cram; "The crowd packed the auditorium" # gang: an association of criminals; "police tried to break up the gang"; "a pack of thieves" wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn
- xero
@Sheryl: i think @Robert is saying just what you suggest. my question to him and to you is this: "Is mob mentality, no matter the motives or outcomes, a good thing?" is that what we want to build, promote, and use to get things done?
- MikeAmundsen
The most powerful tool against trolls, and those who like to stir the pot (thereby inciting mobs), is silence. it will drive them crazy. goodnight everyone. great conversation. Thanks Robert! you rock.
- Mike Nencetti
It is extremely rare that mob mentality produces something useful. Generally, the actions of the mob are that of whoever speaks first or loudest, not the one that makes the most sense.
- xero
@xero: good point. i'd also point out that one of the key advantages of mob mentality is an anonymity that helps mask critical thinking and provide an absolution for any terrible outcomes from the action of the mob. i understand that @Robert and @Sheryl are not trying to create this kind of situation; that the word "mob" has been overloaded into something positive. but it's not clear to me that many of the aspects of mobs are being considered here.
- MikeAmundsen
I provided the definition of mob earlier, there are NO positive connotations to it. If they want to call it a mob, they're going to get mobbed. ;)
- xero
Mobs have always been a fact of life. They are an artifact of human social behavior, and the online world is no different at its root. Whether you walk to the city square to join the mob, or join it online, you make a choice. The digital world facilitates mob creation around different topics more rapidly, allows for mobs not constrained by geography, and supports anonymity where...
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- Ryan McCormack
Years ago I had an amazing professor of American history who gave a lecture "The importance of Mob Violence in Early American History." It was chock-full of interesting examples of wise and clever mob actions, from torching excess tobacco in Virginia colony the year of a surplus to the careful disassembly, transport, and rebuilding of a hospital that townsfolk believed had been built too close to a settlement for comfort. Mobs can be constructive, but are also indicative of a power or process vacuum.
- Richard W. DeVaul
@scoble as far as i'm concerned, your followers (myself included) are not a mob. We are a group of people looking to broaden our knowledge and interact with one another in a reasonable fashion. Those who disagree may call us a mob, but they are deeply mistaken.
- Stuart Tracte
@Richard: interesting perspective. i wonder if, by today's lexicon, these actions against the established authority might be considered asymmetric warfare or even acts of terrorism.
- MikeAmundsen
I've never seen any of these threads started by Scoble turn ugly. Look at this one. It seems like a pretty intelligent discussion, and I've read and participated in a lot of threads on FF
- Stephen Pickering
@Stephen: another good point. for the most part, i find FF an excellent place to carry on conversations.
- MikeAmundsen
online - maybe mobs (good or bad) will rule, but offline ? Under 30's seem to be able to 'mob up' quite effectively via SMS, but most activism (which may be illegal in the place where its occurring) requires face-to-face to establish bona-fides.
- martin english
xero: thanks for the reminder of the definition. I would like to remind, however, that words and their definitions can change over time. Many words in the English language have evolved their meanings. Slang is a good example. Think of 'Bad' and 'Dope' But there are so many others. They are case specific, occasionally, but there are other instances as well. We have the power to change...
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- Sheryl
friendfeed is a good place for conversations? oh.. i wonder if they designed it that way
- Tyler Gillies
like the picture
- wowfreeze.blogspot.com
Mobs, hysterias, and bubbles have been around forever. As Ryan (and others) noted, it's part of human nature. "Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki... is a great 19th century book on the subject: (obviously) pre-Depression, dot-com bubble, etc., but includes the South Sea bubble, the tulip bubble, witch mania, and lots of other fun historical examples. Good for perspective.
- Ken Kennedy
A great quote from the author of "Extraordinary Popular Delusions...", Charles Mackay: "Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one."
- Ken Kennedy
Does real-time really matter for most of us? Obviously for businesses doing media monitoring and anyone that covers the news, real-time is very valuable. But does the average person need to know what is happening second by second in the world. Isn't it more entertainment than anything at that point? Would love to hear opinions...
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This topic was a debate that occurred on the latest edition of TWiT - http://twit.tv/199
- Mike Bracco
4 me accuracy is way more important, but at the same time, it depends on the value of the news item, expect iPhone, high priority news price items. Then both accuracy and timely manner r important.
- polou/indigo_bow
I think real time news is overrated but real time conversation is not -- that is why FriendFeed is potentially so much more useful than Twitter.
- Brian Sullivan
Brian: I'd rather hear about news as its happening then in about 4-5 hours when the press start to pick it up ;)
- Nicholas James
Real-time is nice to have but not necessary for most people
- LANjackal
Brian said it best.
- Rishabh Mishra (p248)
@Brian Sullivan -- I third what you said!
- Miss Elle
In my view, people are not interested in second-to-second update on anything that is happening around. But they are very much interested in what is happening at the present second. This fact separates the media from the people.
- Nitin Nanivadekar
When everything is real-time, can you afford being out of sync?
- Panayotis Vryonis
well, if you're planning a campaign, everything = future and estimation. so real-time is the new old news for media planners .)
- bora "head" basman
I do spend some time watching stuff come in realtime. It is important if you are having a conversation about something. It is also important for things like breaking news which you may want to track. I wouldn't go so far as to say that realtime is essential and I can't live without it but my Web experience is richer because I have it in FriendFeed. I can find newer content quicker through search and track events more effectively.
- Paul Jacobson
If news isn't news-worthy a week later, than it's just a waste of my attention. I vote for Slow News.
- Peter
Brian: each platform from email, to twitter, to friendfeed, is an improvement in latency
- Mike Chelen
Think about when news breaks, and some guy in the office is the first to hear/read about it. He announces the news loudly, and a lot of people prairie-dog, look it up themselves, and come over to his desk. C'mon, admit it. You know this happens. That right there shows people's interest in real-time.
- Hutch Carpenter
Real time is interesting in a certain degree and in specific instances. For example, I'm following the Iranian elections. When I'm online I hit the sites that give 'whats happening now' type updates, but I don't spend a long period of time on those. Because then I want the deeper perspectives that a few minutes/hours/days of reflection/observation/analysis gives to any situation. Not to...
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- Molly
real-time or live allows for true conversations and discussions where the old model is more of a carrier pigeon method of communication ... i like that analogy...
- Chris Heath
If your mom made hand-made ice cream, when would you like to know when it's done? In real time, or sometime later?
- Robert Scoble
i have to quote @Panayotis : When everything is real-time, can you afford being out of sync?
- diego morelli
"The world is changing very fast. Big will not beat small anymore. It will be the fast beating the slow." Rupert Murdoch Esquire Jan. '08 p. 119. And beyond news there is real value in being the 1st to know about events. For example, in job search. If you are the 1st to learn of an opportunity you can act on that knowledge ahead of the rest of the pack. The same applies to business...
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- Debi Jones
News is relative to the person who views or needs it. As Robert points out, you might very well be interested in the "real time news" of your mom making ice cream.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
And: What Debi said! Information is power, and the sooner you have access to the information, the more power you are likely to wield.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
The real time aspect is over-rated because in reality most of us simply aren't available to consume it as it happens. We have things like jobs, or family that take priority. It's useful, but it's not as supremely important as some are making it out to be.
- Eoghann Irving
Eoghann: don't you ever chat using instant messenger about business topics, or with family members? in these cases too the responsiveness of realtime messaging allows a greater degree of communication and interactivity
- Mike Chelen
block this spammer people!
- Chris Heath
As an educator thinking about things like #hackedu in highered, real-time information flow would probably be seen as a strength in online learning, allowing a balance between synchronous and asynchronous online learning to occur. Real-time interaction between learners and teachers adds value to an online learning experience, I believe. Interactive, inquiry-driven learning is the future.
- Jason Miller
the web has always been about real-time. why did you think people started to adopt email en mass? real-time as currently being buzzed is actually nothing special - the real question is how we optimize the use real-time technologies (real time in and of itself is not the ultimate objective). Real time definitely doesn't mean that now we are all of a sudden prepared for a lot of noise. Noise is definitely not the price we have to pay for real-time.
- Tim Lai
As you can see by when I'm replying I agree to a large extent about not NEEDING real time response/news most of the time. I don't like feeling pressured to 'respond now' or 'read me now' or lose the opportunity. I'm not a fast worker, I deliberate over concepts/situations/concepts. Sometimes for years. :-P
- Molly
from email
Molly: well, if we didn't have real time systems here I wouldn't have seen your comment in real time and I wouldn't be able to respond to it in real time. Conversations suck when there's latency.
- Robert Scoble
Agreed.
- Johnny
I think I put a qualifier in there somewhere. However, the only reason I'm replying to you so fast is I'm trying to clean out my inbox(es). Otherwise I'd probably talk to you tomorrow. I don't mind if you want to be immediate. I just expect you to understand that I'm not that into the 'right now' and don't see a reason for me to push aside things that are more important to me just to...
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- Molly
from email
Mike Chelen: I frequently chat with my wife on instant messenger during the day. These conversations generally take place over a period of hours because one or the other of us is not available to give an instant response. I don't find this to be any real disadvantage. Real time has its place, but it is not the answer to everything.
- Eoghann Irving
Molly, it's not about "sitting in front of your computer screen waiting". It's about immediate real-time updates and discussion so when you actually ARE sitting down you have the latest information and conversations at your finger tips
- Johnny
Robert: I don't know about that. Not all conversations suck, just the ones you want to have right now. Some people have long distance chess games that last days, or weeks or longer. Some conversations I have I want to put more thinking time into my next words. What sucks to me, is /having/ to have conversations with a lot of latency. Most of the time we want real time. Even friendfeed is kinda slow since I've seen Wave. :)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
I think there are other situations where real time is important outside of media monitoring/coverage. I have to agree with Scoble about Wave. Even though I've only seen the video on google's website, I can see that kind of realtime collaboration as being a game changer in the business world. But it's not like real-time is new. It's just the mediums are becoming more portable and distributed. On the other hand, why in the world do more than 1 million people need to know that Ashton Kutcher just ate lunch?
- ukgrad98
I'm inclined to agree with Rob (guruvan) Nelson and Johnny S on this topic. I think they've explained it well. When you are there in discussion if there's anyone else around you see it in real time. Not having to refresh and knowing that someone just said something is powerful. When you want to have discussion on your own time table you can, but if by chance you and I cross paths we...
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- Chris Heath
"Realtime" isn't about "all the time", it's about "any time". If you're there, watching, and something happens, you should see it right away; if you're not, then you get to see it later.
- Tristan Seligmann
Look at the original question. "But does the average person need to know what is happening second by second in the world. " As has been demonstrated in this conversation the answer to that is no. They may wish to, but they don't need to. Their life will function just fine without. it. My life is not inherently richer now than it was when I had to wait to watch the news at 6PM. Like everything else there are advantages to it, but also disadvantages.
- Eoghann Irving
"But does the average person need to know what is happening second by second in the world." - that question is a red herring - real time is not about knowing what happening second by second - it is having the ability to communicate in real time if you choose to
- Chris Heath
I think sometime realtime can get to much - but I would like a summarised view of the realtime web in realtime.
- Paul Kinlan
Maybe we should define "average person".. I'm sure the percentage of users who have even experienced a realtime interaction is < .01% of the users who find email good enough.
- Chris Myles
I'm just thinking of my friends and family who don't use twitter; they can't even handle the quantity of information they get in their Inbox .. let alone streaming realtime data. Anybody have any #'s on the number of "active" twitter users? vs Email users?
- Chris Myles
News may be old in a week.. but people will always be interested in the discussions/reactions that occurred surrounding an event, even later. like... What did Scoble think about XYZ? In order to log an effective discussion, you need realtime!! In order to make that discussion accessible by the "average person" you need friendfeed
- Chris Myles
Chris Heath: We've had that facility since before the internet existed.Telephones, ham radios, BBSes, I really don't think that's what people mean when they talk about real time.
- Eoghann Irving
Eoghann, i'm talking about the serendipitous discovery of live 'real-time' communication that /can/ happen when two or more people are 'swarming' around any given topic at the same point in time. in the old days of the web (read: before real time) if you and I were both browsing a site we had no idea that the other was there. Now, thanks to sites like friendfeed, we can discover each other and have 'real-time' conversations.
- Chris Heath
Think of an art gallery. You and I both walk into take in some paintings and happen to both be standing in front of the same one and strike up a conversation. Now think of a virtual art gallery online (Thomas Hawk's friendfeed for instance). If you and I happen to be there at the same time we can strike up that conversation. Over on flickr we'd both have to continually refresh the page to see if the other had responded, and that's just not going to happen.
- Chris Heath
Real time (aka live) web communications are just more natural and analogous to real life (aka AFK) interactions/discussions/etc than what most sites offer these days. Maybe your site doesn't need or care to have real time or live communications, and that's up to you, but the real time web is very compelling and the advantages are real if not clear.
- Chris Heath
Eoghann Irving: yes sometimes conversations may take place over the course of hours, yet other times there may be several messages back and forth in a matter of minutes or seconds. the goal of communications technology should be to provide flexibility so that the user has the best options available. it's true that realtime communications have been available for years in technologies such as the phone, radio, and more, so it is the bringing of this functionality to websites which is somewhat new.
- Mike Chelen
@Robert re:Mom's home made ice cream. According to what I'm doing at the time it's done. I may want some now, or save it for later when I've got time to truly appreciate it. Now, if I'm competing for a bowl, I want to know about and claim it NOW. Tim re: email adoption. I started emailing not because of the time factor, but the ease of typing and sending instead of writing by hand,...
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- Molly
It's all about the "users" comfort zone!! I completely agree that real-time is essential to a having a good INSTANT conversation (between those available), but I think you'll start seeing a lot more web based conversations spanning days, weeks .. maybe even more. What about people who are working, offline, or asleep? (do you guys do that?) I'm a "twitter virgin" (http://ff.im/4isgN) so...
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- Chris Myles
Molly.. I'm in Turkey right now.. a perfect example of a global web based discussion!
- Chris Myles
Christ Heath: I'm not sure you're really getting where I'm coming from. I have repeatedly mentioned that there are advantages to it. But the question I was addressing and the question raised, wasn't whether businessmen could benefit from it. It was whether the average person needs it. And my point is that the average person probably doesn't need it. That doesn't make it worthless, but...
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- Eoghann Irving
I find this very interesting. The division of my company is a national broadcast monitoring service. We provide an in depth tracking service for broadcast television and radio. My delivery of information is about 2-3 hours from the time of a mention vs some competitors that do it in seconds. With my service its all inclusive, human filtered for relevancy and we do all the work for the...
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- Steven Bainnson
Real time is only real time if you are looking at results all of the time. If thats the case then you should probably consider getting a hobby or joining a club a sport or doing something offline.
- j grumby
if I log in for the first time in a day and see updates about an earthquake that is just happening, that is pretty realtime to me
- Franz Sittampalam
from IM
this thread is just about a week old now... kind of says something about the discussion we're having. while it can be in real-time if we're here at the same time in reality we're not all going to be 'swarming' on this discussion full-time in real-time ... thanks to email and im notifications we can keep track of the discussion over this longer period of time. and the speed of the...
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- Chris Heath
Nice to meet you too. :-)
- Chris Heath
Sorry I'm a bit late catching up with this. Is it still current - are we still talking about it? I had a terrible time getting on the web this morning, well not really but I had to go to the kitchen to make oatmeal and that felt like a delay even though it only took a minute (actually two minutes) and I like to eat my porridge in real-time so I sit in front of the screen eating it. And I have a tip for anyone trying this for the first time - put the bowl on a plate. It stops the heat from the bowl ...
- david
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- Susan Beebe
i dont know what that means - your email is email@gmail.com? :) you can email me your snailmail to allen -at- centernetworks.com - thanks
- Allen Stern
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- Hao Chen
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- martin english
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Beware the coming Twitpocalypse by @tuaw #AppDev #twitter #requirements #fail - http://www.tuaw.com/2009...
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This is an excellent example of missing a key requirement when building applications. The API team failed to build a scalable application for accepting the incoming data (Problem: limitation on "unique identifier" variable assigned for each post "tweet" - fixed limit is too small for actual data capacity received via API). To their credit, twitter's growth has been unbelievably exponential, so it understandable to "miss" a key requirement like this as they may have never foreseen the need to scale up their API app this much; however, the sharp upward growth trending has been quite clear for some time (lots of warning) - oops.
- Susan Beebe
from Bookmarklet
considering that some of the earliest tweets have gone missing, maybe their fix is to roll over ?
- martin english
Actually, Twitter is just fine, they have been handling that case since the start. It's only the 3rd party clients that may be impacted is their software is not designed to handle large numbers.
- fbrunel
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Wow... twitter is clearly dominating the navy... the chart is interesting.
- henry
David: expect more Navy here soon. I know they are watching and reading here. henry: Twitter dominates because on board they don't have much bandwidth and also getting time on a computer to send messages out is rare, so the short form fits the Navy very well.
- Robert Scoble
Check out Eminem's new single Beautiful on The Video Tube http://fli.gg/50Qtpgwb #musicmonday
- Alexander Maxham
USS Nimitz Flightdeck With Landing Jet - http://www.jenniferjones.com/Marketi...
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See lots more great @USS_nimitz blogger embark pics + videos, from my stateroom mate, Scoble: http://www.flickr.com/photos...
- Andrew Nystrom
Bloggers Embark on the USS Nimitz, Part 3
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Face recognition comes to Flickr | Webware - CNET - http://news.cnet.com/8301-17...
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Without any big fuss, a face-recognition feature has been added to Flickr. The new feature was launched recently by Swedish start-up Polar Rose. It lets users import all their photos from a Flickr account to an account on Polar Rose, where the images are then automatically assembled into groups dedicated to various individuals. As with similar features in Google Picasa and Apple iPhoto, names eventually show up next to faces in the photos once the user has identified the faces. The labels then get sent back to the Flickr account. Polar Rose, founded by Swedish mathematician Jan Erik Solem in 2004, intends to license its technology to numerous Web sites.
- Thomas Hawk
from Bookmarklet
I wonder if it'll work any better than the crappy face recognition in iPhoto...
- Shawn C. Reed
trying this at Polar Rose right now. Not sure how well it's going to handle my trying to import almost 24,000 photos into the site.
- Thomas Hawk
I saw Hakan Dahlstrom use it and thought "FINALLY"
- Shevonne
Catching up with Picasa, huh?
- bnoise
it's still "processing" my images after several hours now. I'm not so sure this thing is going to work for me.
- Thomas Hawk
I think I will wait till Flickr implements this internally. Surely they will have to implement it at some stage.
- CJPhoto
Google should have developed a face recognition system out of Picasa Web Albums. An API or something. They could have offered a way to identify faces on your PC, on Google Image, on FriendConnect-enabled websites and even Street View 2.0.
- Jérôme Flipo
Giving it a try now. Estimates 30 minutes to process my 900 photos.
- Andy Roth
No estimate for m 24,000 photos. simply a "processing your photos" progress bar with no progress indicated.
- Thomas Hawk
There aren't any faces in my Flickr stream, however I do use the face recognition in Picasa Web Albums and it works very well.
- Kenton
I'm alpha testing the face.com Photo Finder in Facebook, and that process seems less complex (at least to the user). Rather than explicitly telling you that Facebook photos are being exported to a separate account, Photo Finder allows you to appear to remain in Facebook as your photos are being processed.
- John E. Bredehoft
Same here... hours later, and still processing. Hmmm.
- Herb Hernandez
Herb, how many pictures do you have?
- John E. Bredehoft
from fftogo
24,000 pictures at once ? going by Andy's estimate, 13 hours worth. plus (hopefully) a 100% penalty for being silly enough to do so many at once.
- martin english
my ff crashed & facebook account would not let back in 4 now, thats ff's problems, I need 2 try w/Windows. I was using Kubuntu, one of the flavor of Ubuntu.
- polou/indigo_bow
so far Polar Rose has performed poorly in recognising other instances of the same person, though it generally knows when there is a face in the photo (although it also spends quite a lot of time asking me if rocks, lights, twigs, shadows etc are people)
- Ned Baker
so far I'm very unimpressed with Polar Rose. I checked it today and it only imported about 2,200 of my 24,000 photos. Worse than that though, performance on the site is awful. I keep getting a Firefox error message about an unresponsive script taking too long. They don't segregate out which of your photos have people in them vs. photos that do not so you are paging endlessly looking at thumbnails that are way to large to try and even find a photo you've got with a photo in it. Not at all user friendly.
- Thomas Hawk
I'm wary of apps like these now. I tried out Fotonaut several weeks ago and the app silently deleted my tags.
- Jauder Ho
Tried again on Win7beta, hmm, face recognition r precise. I am mixed about these kinds of recognition unless they r used for login or security or confirm friendship purposes??? What do u folks think??
- polou/indigo_bow
What do I think? Disclosure - I am employed in the biometrics industry. However, I assert that the possibility of Big Brother ganging up on the populace is remote. For example, after 9/11, it took YEARS for the FBI and DHS to exchange data.
- John E. Bredehoft
from fftogo
I believe the military has been doing this for a while.
- anna sauce
8 women and 8 men bloggers invited to fly to and from USS Nimitz. 2 men wimp out. 0 women wimp out. Women bloggers rock!
martin english, TechMama Beth Blecherman, Mark Andrew Catton and 22 other people liked this
That would be so awesome!
- Jesse Stay
who's staying ashore?
- Dan Rua
Dan: Arrington and Woz.
- Robert Scoble
Woz is a blogger?
- Timo Heuer
Why would they wimp out?? I'd so be there!
- Kreg Steppe
thx Robert, I can guess why...have fun out there!
- Dan Rua
How I read Tweets http://m.kyte.tv/ch...
Liviu Barbat, Morten Blaabjerg, Robert G. Male and 94 other people liked this
Brilliant. I'm filtering/searching twitter messages through notify.me
- Orli Yakuel
This is a great kyte cast. Is that the right word for it? I'm always trying to figure out the best way to utilize these social sites to proper filter out the garbage for the nuggets.
- Daniel Norton
To learn how to use Friendfeed effectively, where do you suggest starting? Watching your video here and interested in leveraging its capabilities so would like to know a good way to get my feet wet here.
- Lyn Graft
Excellent live video...thanks!
- Keith Neisler
You should do a similar one on just Friendfeed, try to get more people over here :)
- Simon Wicks
Robert that was great. Thanks for doing the video! Can you do one on Friendfeed like Simon asked? I think that would be very helpful! :)
- Daynah
Thanks for sharing - good segment. Now I just need more time in the day! Can you do any split screen interviews like the Peter Himmelman show a few weeks ago?
- Lyn Graft
That was awesome live video you did.
- Amar Shah
Thanks for the live video! Inspiring me to spend more time working out FriendFeed.
- Jalada
Lyn: I did a separate video on how to use friendfeed: http://friendfeed.com/e...
- Robert Scoble
I like tweetdeck a lot but I can't live without navigation w/keyboard and the two-fingers horiz scroll so they really need to get this for me to definitely switch!
- Jean-Charles VERDIE
from twhirl
I missed the Friendfeed one, thanks for the link again Robert
- Simon Wicks
Check out the Unofficial Guides to FriendFeed included in the post at http://www.growmap.com/friendf....
- Internet Strategist
Thanks for sharing your thoughts. It was really helpful
- Pelle Sjoqvist
from twhirl
Excellent video Robert.
- Jim Connolly
I second the request for a friendfeed video as well. Oh, and good video Robert
- Peter Efland
Thanks Robert. I always learn something about using FriendFeed or Twitter more effectively from you.
- Tom Landini
I'm behind a terribly unstable and slow 2G connection. Anyone care to summarize the video?
- Jan Ignatius
brilliant
- Thomas Power
This is really helpful. Sco. I like the "media snack" term. And "attention thief." Would like to see your GTD vid when you do it. And less so your google reader one. Search.twiiter.com. And generally how you drink valuable memes from the firehose is helpful. Is there a "channel" of these vids from you? "Feedly.com" I couldn't parse the verbal- google grabbed it based on sound.
- moon_shadow70
I'm finding kyte interface a bit annoying cause I paused and walked away and can't just reload to where I was!!!! (is it me?) Arg, I may redo the first 15+ minutes.
- moon_shadow70
It would be helpful to have your "must follow" list in non-verbal format that was too fast.And Kyte's rewind is way too inexact to keep rewinding it. Thanks. :-)
- moon_shadow70
Has this changed in recent times? I heard on the gilmore gang that 90% of your friends are on FF, so is twitter still as prominent?
- Chris Lloyd
Chris Twitter is becoming less important.
- Robert Scoble
Surviving and thriving: or why MISO has it (mostly) wrong - http://blogs.zdnet.com/Howlett...
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What I can tell you from the SAP side of this, having just returned from Sapphire, is that while these demos were being displayed after the keynotes and during pressers, the SAP Mentors I know who work for SAP customers were knee deep in much more practical ASUG sessions, sorting through relevant questions on everything from mobile functionality to virtualization tips that can help them save/make money NOW. Though Sapphire has always been like that to an extent.
- Jon Reed
Even when money was freer, it made sense to talk to the people who were using the stuff, rather than the people selling it :)
- martin english
Righto Martin. My best discussions at Sapphire were almost all with SAP users. Rubber...road.
- Jon Reed
Putting the Web in Web Applications - http://google-code-updates.blogspot.com/2009...
Nicholas James, Daniel Rowley, martin english and 2 other people liked this
A generalisation - At the macro level, using one 'web-wide' service (google API) is required to make this work, but what about service vendor lockin ? i.e. if google changes licencing / restricts usage / goes down &tc
- martin english
BirdFeeder, prototype client for an open decentralized Twitter - http://brdfdr.com/
Eric Johnson, George Hall (Australia), Morton Fox and 20 other people liked this
don't miss his presentation, explaining why Twitter is like CompuServe mail
- Andy Baio
cool
- Meryn Stol
Since when has this been out?
- Meryn Stol
Last time I checked this wasn't actually a usable product. Has that changed?
- Adewale Oshineye
It's ok for Twitter to be like Compuserve. This is the next iteration of the Internet. History does not repeat. Open your mind. Just because your hate of walled gardens worked the first time around,don't assume you will prevail this time. Walled gardens work in many ways. Let them be.
- Prokofy Neva
"Walled gardens are no problem when anyone can come inside."
- Meryn Stol
Prokofy: I'll see your assertion with a "those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it" and raise you a "History repeats itself, first as tragedy, second as farce"
- Adewale Oshineye
Adewale: Usable? Not sure about that—it's very rough researchware. But you can download and play with the prototype code now.
- Daniel Sandler
Daniel: Are you on the OMB mailing list?
- Adewale Oshineye
Sun Pulls Covers off MySQL 5.4 Database as Oracle Merger Looms - http://www.eweek.com/c...
Shanxter, Don Faulkner, John E. Bredehoft and 21 other people liked this
This has a new InnoDB at its core. Much faster (almost 60% faster). Can't wait!
- Robert Scoble
from Bookmarklet
But Drizzle is what caught Rackspace's Chief Architect's attention tonight.
- Robert Scoble
Mmm can't wait to roll 5.4 out
- Mo Kargas
Robert - what's your opinion on the future of MySQL should the merger be consummated?
- Michael Gracie
Michael: I think it's bright and even if it's not, it's not going to matter a whole lot.
- Robert Scoble
Michael: Oracle already had MySQL by the short & curlies, a bit. After all, they own InnoDB. Now, they own MySQL. The only saving grace is that MySQL and the storage engines it uses are all open source, so worst case scenario is simply the developers producing a fork that everyone moves to, a la X.Org (vs XFree86).
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
Robert/Chris - Thanks, and well put! I think the open source community, which I highly respect, might benefit from you folks assembling a primer on what it really means for users. I've personally pointed a lot of people to the benefits of tools like MySQL (and have even migrated all my desktop data analysis to it), but I suspect there will still be 'late adopters' who are concerned about what is going on with Oracle. Maybe such an explanatory animal already exists?
- Michael Gracie
The Oracle /Sun /MySQL / Java /OpenOffice merger thingy is going to be big.. this drizzle thing is getting my hopes up high for some cool new technology to warp my brain this week :)
- Susan Beebe
inmho Oracle will be thrilled to provide support contracts for a small (cough) fee for all of the MySQL users. It is in their best interest to have an active vibrant MySQL community giving them an edge in their niche holding off and occasionally beating Microsoft and SAP.
- Jamie Ginsberg
MySQL sold support when it was an independent company, and Sun sells support contracts for MySQL, so in that respect it will be business as usual. Oracle might raise the support fees, and they will certainly layer on a sales presentation to move up to their bigger database products when you reach a certain scale.
- DGentry
Touchdown FAIL - http://www.zee.me/blog...
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Dan Rua, TobiasVerhoog.com, Rubin Sfadj and 246 other people liked this
Hahahahahah oops...
- J. Abdul-Qahhar
Idiot. And this is why I don't like when players fool around on the field. DO YOUR JOB! ugh.
- ♥patricia♥
LOL DOH!
- CW™
that was amazing. and it did autoplay in FF! how hot is that. i hope the coach benched that guy!
- Charles Hudson
Oh dumb people...
- Mike Nayyar
that is awesome, reminds me of the banking industry
- Bryan Thatcher
The wonderful thing about tiggers is tiggers are wonderful things. The tops are made of rubber, the bottoms are ... oh shit!
- Mattb4rd
What a wanker.
- Andrew Trinh
This never gets old. and the fact he didn't learn from this is even better http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- BCK
I think the death penalty is legal in cases like this.
- Dave Winer
Zee your website is throwing HTTP 500 errors doesn't look good. :(
- rob friedman
yeah, sucks eh Rob....bloody site5...should be up in a few more minutes...(hopefully)
- Zee.
+10 dave =D
- Ken Morley
huh, that's nifty that you have the comments fed from here into your blog post. :) which plugin is it?
- rob friedman
yeah, it's awesome - not sure if i'm meant to be talking about it just yet though. They haven't released it but i'm testing it out
- Zee.
pillock!
- Rob Sellen :o)
please share when you can Zee, I'm very interested.
- rob friedman
from twhirl
<hand smacking forehead>
- Ken Stewart | ChangeForge
LOL!!!!
- Luca Filigheddu
Hilarious !
- Nir Ben Yona
ROTFL
- Robie
can't believe it :D
- antonio pavolini
so close and yet so far from the target =)
- Davide D'Incau
lololol
- Chris Farrugia
AHAHAHAHAHA!
- vijay
lol
- Alp
@Peter - so true.
- Nir Ben Yona
pmsl show of eh lol
- eric
I think the correct expression would be 'Oops'.
- Erwin Blonk
missed it by that much...
- Gary Fredrick
oops....
- ybs
ahahahahahaha
- Lucio
Cool :-)
- Zee Waqar
wuajajajajajaj great!
- Francisco Kemeny
looks like an Eagles receiver...
- Anthony Farrior
What a muppet! :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
BCK is right: he didn't learn. FAIL.
- Bill Sodeman
XD
- Jay
hahahah :)
- Metin Kahraman
Anthony - yeah - and he did it again on Monday Night Football this season - learned nothing from this earlier balls-up ....
- Patrick Jordan
One of the top 10 animated GIFs of all time
- Roger Benningfield
somene did a self-pwnage!
- imabonehead
a) Was he trying to break his longest touchdown dive record? b) Was it something that worked during training sessions? c) Is he excessively stupid? d) All of the above
- Nenad Nikolic
这个绝对有意思
- 佛徒
None other than Philly's own DeSean Jackson. Best part? He didn't even learn from this, as Patrick said. It's all about ME.
- Sean O
just found the video - what a pillock http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- Zee.
231! terrific, let's ffholic this, that must be #1. ;p
- ElijahBailey-Zu of FF <0,
#4 for those interested, great post Zee, the animated gif gave a feeling on that first FF beta day that was inexplicable, modern times type of feeling, that things were changing for the service in interaction gathering. 8}
- ElijahBailey-Zu of FF <0,
missed it by that much lol
- Zax Stevens
Can hear Homer now.... Doh!
- Michael Karagines
Instapaper — a fast, easy, free tool to save web pages for reading later - http://www.instapaper.com/
Leandro Ardissone ⍨, Mathew™ one of a kind, panda and 14 other people liked this
"1.You find something you want to read, but you don't have time now. You click Read Later. 2.When you have time to read, you come here on your computer or phone and get whatever you wanted to read."
- Лёша, не обобщай
from Bookmarklet
a new perspective on the bookmarks system
- TrafficBug
Probably the most time saving app I ever stumbled upon. With the new Instapper iPhone app with offline reading support, there are just no opened-and-left-for-sometimes tabs in my browser.
- Лёша, не обобщай
But the Pro version at $10 with tilt-scrolling is soooo much better on the iPhone.
- Christopher Harley
@Christopher, never got a pro version; is tilt-scrolling usable for reading?
- Лёша, не обобщай
I use sharedcopy.com
- Tony
I used this last year for several weeks. It just works. Feedly has a similar feature.
- Russellreno
Also usefull (for fx users) is the Read It later Extension from http://www.ideashower.com/ideas... - allows you to sync your list across computers (compatible withfoxmarks / xmarks)
- martin english
@Alexey Yes, it's the easiest way to read.
- Christopher Harley
I love this app for when I want to bookmark un-socially.
- Bryan R. Adams
SEO Friendly URL Shortening & Stats - http://zi.ma/
martin english, Amin, Morton Fox and 19 other people liked this
apart from the horrible colors on the site - this is actually pretty damn good
- Zee.
from Bookmarklet
How many shortening services are there? Really?
- Anthony K. Valley ©
I like
- Gordon Swaby
ZIMA: Zumthing Zifferent
- Walt Ruppar
Too many of these services, too many silly names, ah well. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
+1 Kol - why are there so many of them and what differentiates them?
- Lindsay
Personally never purposefully created a "short url", services do it for me, but I just don't see a point.
- Matt Harwood
Yet another... List -> (http://mashable.com/2008...)
- AJ Batac
Named after quite possibly the worst alcoholic (malt) beverage ever made? :-P
- cmiper
Zi.ma is gone, @martinbowling in jail http://alainsaffel.com/martin-...
- LouCypher
It still sux to be a woman working in IT - http://blogs.msdn.com/ceibner...
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I can't believe how naive I was years ago :) For example, I used to think,in an industry of (theoretically) logical intelligent people, that talent, skills and potential were and skill were THE selction criteria...
- martin english
Colbert Verbally Thrashes Steve Martin...ala Christian Bale... - http://www.colbertnation.com/the-col...
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martin english liked this
I was just talking with Google exec. He started out by asking where I was. I answered "Google knows that, why don't you?" We both laughed.
Kol Tregaskes, Sufian Siddiqi, Daniel Rowley and 35 other people liked this
He also said that iPhone version of Latitude is coming soon and will have new, not yet seen, features. Also said that Latitude is just the beginning and that we'll see Google roll out a ton of more mobile apps that use location.
- Robert Scoble
Should have friended him via http://www.google.com/latitud... so he could see.
- Kevin Mullett
Google also know who is growing marijuana. Now the Police do too. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id... watch yrself, Scobles dear :P
- Laurel Papworth
Thanks for the insight. Can't wait for the iPhone app!
- Andrew Shuttleworth
I guess you had to be there.
- Shawn Farner
[pop-locking] "I always feel like somebody's watching meeeeee" [Moonwalk exit stage left]
- Admiral Anika
Yeah, it probably was funnier to us.
- Robert Scoble
Kevin: the reason it was funny is I +had+ friended him on Latitude. He just was so busy today he didn't have a chance to check out where I was.
- Robert Scoble
I like your wit and that Google has created a cross-platform location app. Looking forward to the iPhone version!
- Ken Morrill
I'd like to see Latitude have an API so we could start seeing some apps in Cydia pop up - background apps, anybody? Would be much more useful for iPhone users.
- Paul Arterburn
Robert: ahhhh i thought it was just because the all mighty Google knows all, sees all, and should not be questioned. lol
- Kevin Mullett
the bigger issue is it doesn't seem that lattitude can be embedded into a widget for display on blogger etc.
- dean collins
Robert made a funny ;)
- Josh Haley
Dean I'm sure that Latitude with find its way into the Google Maps API before long, enabling badges and widgets, and more complex geo-mashup applications; the possibilities are enormous, I wonder if another wave of Google Maps Mania will result.
- Bob Hitching
Dean in the meantime you could try blogloc - as per http://hitching.net - which gets your location from a mobile app &/or FireEagle.
- Bob Hitching
Foggy Dubai - http://yayeveryday.com/post...
AainaA-Ridtz A.R, Riyaz Mohammed Ibrahim, OnuRC and 118 other people liked this
"Foggy Dubai morning taken from the Burj Dubai Tower."
- Zee.
from Bookmarklet
Seen this many times, mad, mad photo. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
looks more like Coruscant to me
- Capn' One Eye - adrift
Surrreal... enticing!
- AainaA-Ridtz A.R
pretty stunning
- Cee Bee
Wow. Wonder what's the minimum height of buildings poking above this fog?
- Abbas Haider Ali
That's mostly sand and concrete dust
- mjc
Love Dubai.
- jcunwired
If TwitApps has it right, 489 Tweets had @dahowlett in them. That's worse than email. And with that...I will now switch off.
martin english and Hutch Carpenter liked this
Crap, it seems that I will have to transcribe my interview from MP3 to text. Not one decent app found. FURY on this hottest day.
martin english liked this
get an indian outsourced virtual assistant. They will do it for you for $5.
- Cameron Reilly
Search on http://www.google.com.au/search... - heaps there
- martin english
TinyURL Being Used to Bypass Safe Browsing Filters in Firefox, Chrome - http://www.readwriteweb.com/archive...
Charlie Anzman and martin english liked this
British Humour V American Humour - http://cleeseblog.com/Vanilla...
Seth Greenblatt and martin english liked this
mmm.... Compare Robins Nest with Three's Company or Alf Garnett and Archie Bunker
- martin english
10 Steps To Protect The Admin Area In WordPress - http://www.smashingmagazine.com/2009...
martin english and Bryan R. Adams liked this
Disqus Enables FriendFeed Sync - http://www.scribkin.com/2009...
martin english and Justin Yost liked this
@Vividlydrawn Actually, just like me, you'd *never* expect a squirrel to to be packing a P90 submachine gun. My squirrels are well armed.
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