Does the monk end up eating the tiger? <sniffle>
- Mark Forman
Like for tigers ! I love these animals !
- Viva Vida
@vivavida they love you too - as a dinner -
- PooMa
I would so love to be able to pet a tiger. I wonder if they like scritches on the top of their heads like my mini-tigers at home do. Are their ears as soft?
- Yolanda
I agree totally, usually that issue is on the top of my list, but I find the candidates stances on Iraq to be the most compelling issue at hand. It doesn't matter which side you're on more lives are will be effected by the President's stand on that issue than his stance on pro-life/pro-choice (barring a mass exodus of the Supreme Court)
- David Knight
i'm not sure that many women would agree
- Cee Bee
That's *always* an important issue, despite what else is going on in the world. Sorry.
- David Cook
from twhirl
There might be more important issues - Iraq being one - but the abortion issue is important to me. 1) I have a uterus. 2) "Pro-life" is a fairly good indicator of a candidate's other values, usually diametrically opposed to mine.
- Marci Maleski
Being Pro Choice is a big deal for me.
- orionstarr
Being anti-back alley days, it's always a big deal to me.
- Michael W. May
from twhirl
I don't like the term "pro-life" for people who oppose abortion. They are not pro women's life. I wish the media would change that to "anti-abortion."
- Trish R
It's sad that THIS issue is what defines so much of political thought. I wish we argued about science, energy, and technology policies instead. But I'm a dreamer.
- Robert Scoble
Trish the same could said about pro-choice not being pro what the baby would choose. They are both valid terms from the point of view of the one holding them
- David Knight
Trish: those who control language control how the game is played.
- Robert Scoble
I could care less about political conventions. Watching people who only care about their own interests, oh and their donors, is tedious. The crowd clapping like seals is too much for me.
- Jonathon
Although the abortion debate is important to me, my read is that the situation is gridlocked enough that there will be no movement on it in the next several years; I figure the next two terms at least. I think it's more important to get us onto a different energy source. I dream about a "hero project" to get us onto something like hydrogen. So many problems could be cleared up if we had cheap limitless energy.
- Justin Long
How can you be "Pro-life" but then send human beings into war to get killed? How can you let genocide go on in modern times? Let's ask the republicans.
- orionstarr
Justin: yeah, while we're spending our time arguing religious debates Germany is subsidizing solar. I just met a German who has solar panels on his house -- all subsidized for 20 years. THAT is brilliant policy because it moves Germany away from its dependence on others for its energy needs. I wish we'd argue about how best to do that here than getting into religious debates that will never be solved because they are, well, religious debates.
- Robert Scoble
There are many, many important issues, abortion per se being only one of those many issues. I'm more worried about people who think it's the *only* issue worth consideration when voting. Single-issue politics is fine for lobbyists and interests, but shouldn't determine one's vote.
- Steve Lowe
Orion: part of the problem with that statement is that it assumes all Republicans march in lockstep with the policies of the current administration, when that is certainly not the case.
- Justin Long
Honestly I assume republicans or most of them are "Pro-Life" why is that?
- orionstarr
Yes, probably a majority are "pro-life." But that doesn't mean that they are pro-war or pro-genocide. Or unwilling to do something about either.
- Justin Long
I see the abortion question as a part of a larger issue. Does a candidate support freedom or do they endorse control? Do they believe primarily in our freedoms and rights or do they view government as a means to impose beliefs and laws on the citizens? Are they committed to our Constitutional republic or will they lead us into a police state?
- Jack (a.k.a. Jeber)
Robert, exactly. Can we say separation of church and state? Too bad that will never truly happen here.
- Hao Chen
Why is Gov. Palin's daughter's pregnant body a personal issue and they are requesting her privacy be respected, yet they have the right to tell every other U.S. woman what she can do with hers?
- Trish R
Well, the thing about pro-life is ... shouldn't they also be anti-war at this point? So, in that way the war policy is somewhat related. But even in isolation there is the war, economy (do you believe in trickle down), healthcare, education, energy, environment.
- AJ Kohn
I am an oddball I guess, I am a Christian, pro-life but primarily as it relates to me only. We each are answerable to God for our own actions. I have always been amazed that ppl will bomb facilities but don't care if the kid they feel must be born has a decent education, food or shelter. My minister told me, it is not his responsbility. yeah.
- R. Ferguson
It's a big deal to me and I would never vote for an anti choice candidate. Ever.
- Michelle Martinez
If the social conservatives would just put their money where their mouth is and fund responsible sex education AND medical tech to allow women to have COMPLETE control over their reproductive cycles there wouldn't BE any problem. Instead, their lack of such indicates that they don't really care and are more interested in political gains.
- Internet's Tad
Brian, the people in government are going to vote their conscience whether they should or not (they are, after all, elected to represent the views of their constituency and not their own). Knowing that someone is likely to vote their own conscience means I'm obligated to vote for someone who's views most closely match my own in order to have any hope of them voting for my views.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Trish R: do you really intend to de-humanize Gov. Palin's daughter like that? Is she a "pregnant body" or a person? All sorts of things become possible when we dehumanize folks
- Bob Lozano
@Brian: You think those who want separation of church and state want to ship religious folks out of the country? I want a government who doesn't tell me what faith I should follow. If enough Hindus gained political positions would we shut down the cattle industry and have them walk the streets?
- AJ Kohn
Actually Tina, that's not the way it was originally intended to work. When America was first founded, distance and lack of communication (plus a general governing philosophy, if I remember my history correctly) meant that people were intended to vote for representatives of a certain character rather than to explicitly represent the views of the people. That's sort of the difference between a republic and a democracy isn't it? I could be wrong, and I wonder if a republic is even still appropriate?
- Justin Long
Abby ... don't hide! That is exactly how I feel. I am not "pro-abortion" -- I am not an "abortion enthusiast" as they try to paint people who are pro-choice. I don't think I could ever do it, and I wouldn't encourage anyone I care about to do it. But I do not equate it with murder -- so I believe it should be a safe, legal choice for women who find themselves in such a position.
- Cheryl Rice
this is a VERY important issue to me, sorry - I am glad I don't have an unwanted 7 year old - are you kidding me?
- Chuck Fishman
@Bob, all women's bodies are dehumanized during the abortion debate.
- Trish R
I just wish we could worry less about which side is "right" and put the energy (and money) into solving the problems of unwanted pregnancy, rape, inadequate child care, poverty, etc. etc. that lead to it instead.
- Alix Whitmire
I was thinking of all those voices silented. Among them, the visionary, the inventor, the discoverer, the researcher, the key person, who, ironically, was not allowed to continue his or her life, because no one could see them. No one was there to protect them as they used to be protected. No one to judge them before they even opened their eyes and tell them they were unwanted. How ironic that we have important issues that so desperately need address and we may be preventing the very ones who could....
- Melanie Reed
...cont,.give us those answers. The future is in the cosmos, the universe of the womb and we had better look there and respect it, be courageous in defending that land as our grandmothers and great-grandmothers, and great-great grandmothers did for us. May we honor their sacrifice, for in their altruistic sacrifice, it brought us through God's grace into this world in the first place. Let us honor that by looking at the connections that brought us to this moment.
- Melanie Reed
The sad thing is that many "unwanted pregnancies" at an earlier age, sadly translate into missed children and families at a post menopausal age. Add to that the instability and loyalty-lacking of job market and it is doubly tragic. The 2004 Annual Editions Business Ethics has some interesting insights in articles from and about women in business who did just that: got rid of or postponed "unwanted pregnancies all for reasons many of them then sadly regretted. Time often alters our perspective on things.
- Melanie Reed
Hao Chen. Thank you for pointing me to that very fine article by Robert. I wanted to make sure that I was on topic...and I am. Those who can't be heard and can't be seen...yet ARE our future innovators. And if I did not mention them in my initial posting, my apologies. The problems we are discussing, any of them, have a direct connection to the future lives of the unborn and they to the problems we presently have. Are any of you good at your jobs? Excellent at them to the point of making an impact?
- Melanie Reed
You would not have been able to make that impact if 2 people had decided you were 1) ill-timed in their lives 2) unwanted. Personally, I'm very glad that you are ALL here and able to discuss the issue. Because if our parents had made the decision to NOT have us, we obviously would not even have the ability to presently disagree. ;)
- Melanie Reed
@Robert - The tech industry tends to have pretty high salaries, especially in CA. Above $75k, say goodbye to 42% plus a 5.5% solidarity tax to the German treasury. Don't forget the 19% VAT on most items. Of course they can subsidize, it's on the backs of the citizens. You pay either way.
- Chris Mayer
I apologize for picking a sensitive topic to many people as an example. There was a lot of good discussion here, but I also regret indirectly starting a debate on abortion. That was not the point, and I respect everyone's views and priorities.
- Hao Chen
There is indeed a lot more nuance in the story. But that makes it all the more mystifying when Walt argues the lack of an email command kills Chrome. I thought the whole point was that some of these traditional features just get in the way. And in use, I find it FAR more usable than IE8, even if the gee-whiz stuff in IE8 looks good on paper. It's good for, you know, *actually viewing webpages*. (And how is Chrome slower for him?)
- Peter Kirn
from twhirl
There is no point. Broadband loads sites nearly instantly.
- Roberto Bonini
I have a 12 mbs connection and FriendFeed loads MUCH faster on Chrome
- Internet's Tad
I wonder if Firefox will end up becoming irrelevant... the next browser wars could be between Chrome, IE8, and Safari... and maybe the long shot of Opera.
- Jake (aka Jawee)
@Roberto Bonini i disagree... progress bars are very helpful especially in the consumer community. A spinning globe or symbol gives no indication if your request is coming, going, halfway done, etc. People call customer service and ask if the site is broken when waiting for a large download or slow site.
- Glenn Batuyong
from twhirl
Chrome really isn't about client-side features -- it's more about recognizing the state of the web, advancing to that place, and then (I would think) adding back features that make sense from that new place. Most sites seem to have a "share/email this" link already -- hiding it in a contextual menu doesn't seem to improve usability...
- Chris Messina
Chrome is blindingly fast for me! I like the fact that it is lean and functional.
- Ralph Poole
If Chrome is a first go (which I suspect it isn't in reality), it's impressive - or rather, webkit is incredibly impressive... :)
- Jonathan Beckett
This article and the noise appearing in its wake reminds me pretty much of a recent Cuil (wannabe Google substitute), which at one point claimed to have indexed more than Google. It had (still has) a cute design but a twisted and malfunctioning engine. This said, it got enormous online and traditional media coverage and was an instantaneous celbrity. What it did was PR, negative though. Chrome is little different. It is good but still lacks many things. Now they will build those things.
- Hayk H.
I don't know why it seemed so slow to Walt. Pretty much all my commenters are unanimous that it's fast fast fast.
- Matt Cutts
Yep Chrome flys, baby. Even FF3 takes 30 seconds to appear.
- Roberto Bonini
I was getting that (and an Application Error) for every site I visited on my laptop: http://beta.friendfeed.com/e... (It's working much better on my desktop PC now...)
- Tony Ruscoe
SiteMeter interpreted it as: "Operating System Macintosh WinXP Browser Safari 1.3 Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US) AppleWebKit/525.13 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/0.2.149.27 Safari/525.13"
- Louis Gray
I don't want my browser to try to be cool.
- Jason Carreira
@jason, a little cool breaks up the day. Maybe I'll get tired of it after awhile, but this was a nice change of pace from the traditional Error 404 Address not found
- Lorraine Ball
I have seen more "Aw, Snap!" using Chrome as much or more than actual web pages.
- Nicholas Kreidberg
I dislike boring. Some people are against having fun OS UIs (looks at the Apple design folks) or even being able to customize a UI (looking at the Microsoft design folks and pointing at my Glassless graphics cards). Some are also against having wallpaper and application skins that reflects one's tastes. Heck, some nuts think command line is all anyone needs. DNW Scroogie!
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
"Happens if you happen to kill one of the browser processes :-)" - Atul Arora via FriendFeed Chrome room :)
- Mona Nomura
No. I think Friendfeed has a lot to offer for non-geeks. Just not in it's current early stages (swamped with tech).
- Mo Kargas
You mean that normal people have no clue how to process information or work efficiently and be happy with offerings of the like of facebook while geeks do not enjoy as much normal everyday stuff normal people enjoy? Absolutly.
- Nicole Simon
Facebook is online presence for [mostly] non-online people. FriendFeed is for those who are able to appreciate the steady flow of information online, mostly geeks. Grasping the concept takes too much time for a non-geek ;-) I agree.
- Lech
What if you have both? Am I a geekier version of everyone else?
- Shannon
agree until i can only see the people i've added to my friend list and not friends of friends information then i doubt anyone else will care.
- Jonathan Jesse
What if you use the FF application from within Facebook?
- Mike Boudreaux
from fftogo
Isn't Facebook trying to *be* Friendfeed these days with the new look? I agree here, though, my non-web-wired friends and family are on FB, but not FF :(
- Michael Pick
from twhirl
in the same way as computers _used to be_ for geeks, agree
- Dani Radu
Facebook is for women. Most men will just keep in touch with friends on an ad-hoc basis -- and we're happy enough with that. And what's with all this Relationship Barometer crap, or whatever its called? That's just kooky imo. Like I'm going to advertise the fact that 'Its Complicated'. Rubbish.
- john conroy
I check Facebook regularly and last I checked I wasn't a woman!
- Joe Dawson
Somewhat agree. Facebook has indeed become mainstream, while FriendFeed is currently populated by early-adopters (which many read as "geeks").
- Nick Mutton
FriendFeed is an aggregator and conversation spot for the open Web (which is under attack). Google can get to everything here. It can't get to everything in Facebook. Another way to recast it? FriendFeed is for everyone who wants to be public. Facebook is for everyone who wants to support a walled garden. There's more than geeks here, by the way. Do you want proof? Do some searches. Here's one for quilting: http://beta.friendfeed.com/search...
- Robert Scoble
I'll pay that one Robert, there's more geeks here for now. Do you think it will ever expand out to non-geeks?
- Mo Kargas
for now yes. Was facebook for geeks when they only had 100k users?
- Ouriel Ohayon
At least I can share a link from FriendFeed with everyone. Can you do that with Facebook?
- Orli Yakuel
WOW, I never knew I was a Geek....good to know.
- Scot Duke
Agree-I find more sophisticated users here, myspace seems so highschoolish for me always has.
- orionstarr
as for the being public issue: people in FB really share everything, and indeed this happens mostly because they're 'non-online' 'low-tech' or whatever you may call them. people in FF still think are in a protected fence since it's geekier and not mainstream yet. the question is: how much do we care about google when we feel we are in a group of friends (or birds of the same feather anyway)?
- Elvira
facebook is for college students, myspace is for entertainment, linkedIn is for business, friendfeed is an experiment
- paisley
from twhirl
Myspace is a dive bar - more fun if you're there for the music or have tattoos and are kind of slutty. Facebook is the posh bar everyone wants to get into - it used to be invite only but now they killed the cover and are letting everyone in. Friendfeed is the LAN party in someone's basement........
- George Smith
I'm really a non-geek. I'm more comfortable with the user interface on Facebook. But, of course, I just used the term "user interface" on FriendFeed -- so maybe I need to rethink my possible geeky-tude.
- Cheryl Rice
I was hoping FF rooms would provide a good way to have conversations focused on non-tech topics, but so far they don't seem to be taking off much.
- Costa Walcott
I'm using Friendfeed in Facebbok so I'm everyone else's geek!
- Mike Lewis
There is so little parallel functionality, I wonder why there is the pervasive insistence to group these two together. So, disagree.
- jcunwired
I disagree, cause of the fact that there's no FunWalls, SuperWalls doesn't mean it can't go mainstream in the near future.
- Tibor Holoda
I use facebook, twitter and friendfeed and linkedin too - what does that make me? A friend to be followed, requested, added to your network maybe...
- Julie Watt
disagree: if "geek" stands for complicated and difficult to use, facebook wins over ff
- FedericaB.
FriendFeed is for paople I don't know. Facebook is for my immediate real friends. I put my geeky stuff on FriendFeed/Twitter, etc...and for personal stuff with my more generic friend audience, I put appropriate content on Facebook.
- Todd
I don't consider myself a geek, but I love FF.
- ::Kristen::
geeks->multiple and extensive online presence and usages->need to aggregate->FF
- Hayk H.
youth and simple folk-> some usage of the Internet-> need to communicate-> some platform where everyone is-> Facebook
- Hayk H.
Disagree. Friendfeed is for everyone. We geeks have a strong presence here, but there are non-geek communities as well. I suppose if you don't know any non-geeks on friendfeed, you won't see many at all. The problem lies in the fact that many non-geeks THINK that friendfeed is for geeks. If more non-geeks came over, those communities would grow. Now, do I win a prize for saying "geeks" the most times in a comment?
- Slippy "WildBeard" Lane
Disagree. Friendfeed is for real-time topical conversation and more. Facebook is to connect, introduce, sneaky e-mail .... (and not play Scrabble)
- Charlie Anzman
i would categorize friendfeed as thought and opinion exchange, while facebook is for networking purposes..
- Stefan Lafloer
Nope, this geek still isn't into Friendfeed. Facebook gets used (finally) with connecting with my RL friends, as well as social media ones, and reconnecting with folks from high school, college and previous places I've worked. Facebook = social exchanges and Friendfeed = idea exchanges and media sharing. But I still rarely use Friendfeed as I find the interface too cumbersome. Back to Twitter.....
- Rob Usdin
@Mona it's not Phtoshop like editing photos or adding filters, it's more of a storage/easy uploading and sharing tool. It hooks into your Photoshop.com account so you can go touch things up in more detail later.
- Ryan Stewart
I was really skeptical at first, but it's actually kind of cool.
- Ryan Stewart
Ah! That's what I get for not reading the article. Thank you, Ryan :)
- Mona Nomura
me too - i'm starting to like the new format a lot - more people are posting content, more people are commenting, and the filtering allows me to digest more information from friends than i could in the past - it's getting more and more interesting jumping over there during the day
- Kevin
Same here. Allowing comments on the Status updates is the catalyst for me.
- Mike Doeff
Facebook is the true social network...it looks clean, works seamlessly and more people are joining in. It's my hub.
- Miguel Albano
Using it, well no but certainly sharing more to it. I have been adding any photographers I can find on FB but that's it atm
- Kol Tregaskes
my 2 aunts who are like 60+ years old are on FB. I just closed my account after finding out.
- Mark L
from twhirl
Yes. Seems to be more actual communication, less game-playing and showing off.
- Timothy B. Taylor
I've never stopped, love FB. Have definitely noticed a downturn in the annoying apps spam though which I appreciate.
- Kate
Nope. Not into limiting myself to intranets. I really don't get it.!
- Steve 'Chippy' Paine
Nope...I was huge into playing a lot of the racing games for six months, but got bored with that, so now I'm using Facebook rarely. Doing a lot more friendfeed.
- Alex Scoble
Nope. The death of Scrabulous has confused my less techie relatives, who dislike the Scrabble alternative, so games have dried up.
- Louis Gray
mainly use its as an 'outpost' (great term of Chris Brogan); as a content aggregator. Indeed, the new user interface is much more agreable!
- Jeroen De Miranda
After a long lull, I am suddenly getting a hell of alot of emails from FB requests and notifications, forcing me to use it more. More than autofeeding is more.
- Michael W. May
from twhirl
Less for me though. I'm just there to play games with friends.
- Carolyn Chan
we can check out at FB Steve, but tell us how in a blog post - we're still following you. ;)
- Kevin OKeefe
Yes, the new design makes it much easier - you should give it a try if you haven't already. The filtering is much better than FriendFeed's, but it's more about people and not news
- Jesse Stay
I just joined this week. Late to that arena. Turns out that a lot more of the folks that I have made friends with in my travels over the past 18yrs can be found there.
- Mathew A. Koeneker
Love the new design. Always been a big user of it though. It's my main social portal.
- Rob Record
yes, although I am resisting, I'm finding myself checking it again
- Ivan Pope
from twhirl
I got dragged in to play scrabble.. thats the only reason that I am there
- Peter Dawson
My facebook use has become somewhat sporadic. I prefer Friendfeed for now.
- Mattb4rd
agreed, except my 1400 facebook inmails late and their inmails management that still sux so bad don t you think Steve?
- Loic Le Meur
I just realized that a bunch of my friends used it so I am trying to friend them
- Tyler (Chacha)
I am using it less than ever since becoming a friendfeed fanatic. I might play a game or two on there once in awhile, but I can't get any real networking done there.
- Laura Norvig
Well it's great to see some support for the site...it's been nothing but negative talk for a while now, which frankly I don't understand.
- Zee.
FB is great for storing stuff and for keeping in touch with friends who only use facebook, as well as with friends who network over a wider range of platforms. The games are a distraction. I have found a surprising, diverse number of old and new friends are using facebook.
- Chris Loft
Yeah ever since I joined Twitter and Friend Feed I haven't really been on facebook.
- Sheraz Mahmood
from twhirl
I'm finding the same thing ... seems my real-world friends have woken up to and have pulled me back it. It's great to actually connect with people there - something I honestly was not doing at all for a very long time.
- Jonathan Greene
From the Brothers Brick: "Reader Chris McVeigh combines excellent photography with recent LEGO sets to tell a funny little story. Captioned “Trading Places,” Darth Vader trades places with Batman."
- Mark Trapp
Pineapple on burgers is awesome. Just like pineapple on pizza...or pineapple on almost anything for that matter.
- Kevin L
Make it a veggie or turkey burger and I'm so in.
- Corie
For the record, i took the pineapple off and ate it after the rest of the burger was finished. Last time (http://friendfeed.com/e...) i ate it with the pineapple and it didn't go as well as i'd hoped.
- Dan Hsiao
Bwana's comment reminds me how much i wish we could up-vote stuff like that.
- Chris Baskind
Coronary Bypass 2.0 (but it does look tasty)
- cmiper
This is a hamburger. Don't kill it with ground up veggies or turkey in the patty. If your gonna do it, do it right I say.
- Eric @ CSTechcast.com
Matt and I were having a discussion on how this isn't the first company to print 3D models, but we were wondering if the social website aspect of it will make it a differentiator.
- Hao Chen
Lost this conversation when noise bubbled over it. :( Good thing i had commented on it. Anyway, it used to be that you could only access rapid prototyping services from a few locations, such as jewlery designers. I'm glad to see it gaining a bit more prominence. I have created a lot of 3D models that I'd love to see printed out but never did it, this could be interesting.
- sergiooo
Congrats dude. Although it was a brief experience (and many moons ago in Web years), it was my pleasure to have worked with you. All the best!
- Kevin C. Tofel
at the end of the day it all boils down to meeting chicks, eh?
- .LAG liked that
It always does, .LAG. It always does.... :)
- Yuvi
And will we all get to watch the process? This could be entertaining.
- Trish R
I was hoping for a Legends of the Hidden Temple style challenge; Olmec tells you: "You could start by becoming a Robert Scoble sycophant, then by smashing the clay pots to find the key, then write a blog post about Steve Gillmor, which will unlock the room to the shrine of the silver monkey! The choices are yours and yours alone!" http://video.google.com/videopl...
- Mark Trapp
Man Louis, you're making meeting my goals really hard!
- Justin Korn
at the risk of being permanently blocked, ladies, does the size of a guy's friendfeed follow list matter?
- .LAG liked that
Oh yeah, why does the last criteria always have to be money? I have none. So unfair. ;-)
- Mathew A. Koeneker
This is great Sunday evening entertainment! Thanks Louis! ha, ha! .... glad I am a lady that you already subscribe to. The men sure do have an uphill challenge to get on your subscribe list!
- Susan Beebe
Good thing he already added me on Twitter. :)
- Zach Flauaus
I've considered, just for the fun of it, adding this as a feature on SocialToo - what do you think??? ;-)
- Jesse Stay
#1 Humorous post. #2 When you refer to "gender", you should refer to "assumed gender", as - for some Twitterers / Friendfeeders - there is no way to tell for sure (not immediately, at least) who is hiding behind some user names / avatars. #3 As a matter of basic human principle, segregation should be banned, be it linked to gender, age, nationality, religion, language, sexual preference, health etc.
- Pierre-Philippe Martin
Menlo Park is a smart place for a Tesla dealership. Close to lots of people who drive by and can afford one (Sand Hill Road, Atherton, etc)
- Omar Shahine
I hadn't heard of these before. They sure don't look electric.
- Gus Perez
I agree with many who commented on the article. It is a win/win situation for everyone including Apple (sell more 3g's to those who upgrade) and AT&T (they get customers renewing their contract with a 3g iPhone). Isn't this the same as if I sold my old phone to a friend and used the money to get a new one? He could do anything he wanted with it.
- Adam Helweh