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SXSW, Web Worker Daily, live FriendFeeding, and other stuff - http://onlinemediacultist.com/2009...
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"One of the coolest things that came out of it was a “live FriendFeed” thread that I kicked off during a session called Beyond Aggregation, which included a panel of people such as my pal Louis Gray, Gabe Rivera of Techmeme, Marshall Kirkpatrick of ReadWriteWeb, Melanie Baker of AideRSS, and Micah Baldwin from Lijit. Not only was it one of the best panels that I attended, but it was...
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- Meryn Stol
Yup. I very much liked your reporting, Eric.
- Meryn Stol
Thank you Meryn! :-)
- Eric Berlin
I need to find more ways to live FriendFeed events, I really enjoyed getting that thread rocking.
- Eric Berlin
Monday, bright-ish and early-ish at Austin's SXSW, session called Beyond Aggregation - Finding the Web's Best Content
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This is a subject near and dear to my heart so have been looking forward to this, and my man Louis Gray is moderating great panel that includes Gabe Rivera of Techmeme, Marshall Kirkpatrick of ReadWriteWeb, Melanie Baker of AideRSS, and Micah Baldwin from Lijit
- Eric Berlin
Slight correction, looks like Kirkpatrick is moderating
- Eric Berlin
Louis Gray uses Google Reader as his starting point to find relevant info on the web... and so do I :-) Also emphasizes use of Google Shared, fantastic feature
- Eric Berlin
Rivera talks about introduction of editorial function into the process of selecting top stories on Techmeme sites, where previously was purely algorithmically-driven
- Eric Berlin
AideRSS/PostRank: "PostRank™ measures audience engagement and provides integrated tools to enable you to customize your RSS subscriptions. "
- Eric Berlin
Baldwin talks of importance of trusted "beginning points" to find info on the web. "Beyond aggregation means going back to points of trust in real life," which means trusted bloggers based around specific subject areas
- Eric Berlin
Robert Scoble, also "live friendfeeding" in the room, writes, "My answer to how to find good content? Create your own!"
- Eric Berlin
Lots of talk in the room about how LouisGray.com breaks tons of news about cool start-ups before anyone else
- Eric Berlin
thanks for this liveblogging/tweeting/friendfeeding, EB, much appreciated
- Aaman (Clone of FF)
Kirkpatrick goes through process of pulling feeds out of delicious, running through PostRank, and then Yahoo Pipes to get a rather advanced way to look at top blog posts based around a point of interest
- Eric Berlin
Baldwin: products are coming out that take RSS and apply human element to it to create way interesting ways to find relevant content. "Look for those products that have a human element... and that are not just algorithmic."
- Eric Berlin
You're very welcome Aaman, glad you dig :-)
- Eric Berlin
Baker: social media metrics (I think that was termed used) looks not at what people like (or say they like) but at what people really look at. Makes sense.
- Eric Berlin
Gray: FriendFeed "one of the best social databases on the web." Great line.
- Eric Berlin
Gray: Google Reader friend's shared items one of best ways to find new feeds/blogs on the web
- Eric Berlin
Kirkpatrick: "Non-tech topics can be difficult to use 'these tools' around." I'm not sure I agree with that.
- Eric Berlin
My take is that the sharing of non-tech blogs is an emerging area, that has great potential for innovation
- Eric Berlin
google reader addon feedly rocks for integrating with friendfeed/digg/twitter and more http://www.feedly.com/
- Kyle Weller
Rivera still looking at new topics to tackle next for Techmeme, but looking at "traditional business space"
- Eric Berlin
Gray talking about MacBlips.com, which is niche social news for Apple stories. Also mentions the BallHype / ShowHype sites as examples
- Eric Berlin
Love it Eric, following along with your comments here
- Hutch Carpenter
Lijit launching "content networks," which groups like publishers and aggregates them on a site. Example: flight simulator blog aggregation. Example URL: securitybloggers.net
- Eric Berlin
Thanks so much Hutch !
- Eric Berlin
Baldwin: "you can't automate recommendation"
- Eric Berlin
Baker: people aren't interested in the "best websites" but want the "best people"
- Eric Berlin
Gray: Being first on the web goes back to "old school" methods of e-mail, calling people, human relations... and also drops nifty trick of looking at his blog referral logs, and clicking back to early adopter sites to research potential new stories
- Eric Berlin
Louis just said you should put your phone number on your blog. He is absolutely right. Mine is +1-425-205-1921
- Robert Scoble
Baldwin will give away an odd looking cat stuffed animal at some point
- Eric Berlin
Thanks Robert and will do! Mine is 626-372-0778
- Eric Berlin
Micah doesn't like FriendFeed, but this live FriendFeed is doing a good job of covering the session. Go Eric! :)
- Matt Cutts
Panelist asks if blog-reading has dropped off post-twitter. Several people in audience raise their hand to agree.
- Matt Cutts
Thanks so much Matt !
- Eric Berlin
Love to streamline. There are so many tools out there. It's fantastic.
- Danielle Brigida
Marshall is talking about how easy it is to build a Google Custom Search Engine. Just paste a list of links in. Right on.
- Matt Cutts
Kirkpatrick talking about custom search engines. "They are super easy to build." Going through Google's "search engines I've created" feature
- Eric Berlin
Kirkpatrick looking at crazy drag-and-drop Firefox plugin that lets you drag keywords into different boxes. Can't quite get a hold on what the deal with it is !
- Eric Berlin
Questions starting... first one mentions focus of talk has been on blogs so "what about other stuff?" Interesting point as I now think about the webs in terms of the broad categories of news, blogs, and social media
- Eric Berlin
@Eric - Here's the Drag and Drop Zone Firefox Extention. http://www.captaincaveman.nl/firefox...
- zeroinfluencer
Gray: "You reap what you sow." The way that publishers/platforms shape their stories and content has effect on the community and the way in which the community reacts
- Eric Berlin
Questioner asks "What do we call this? It's not search exactly." I would propose calling it discovery. Audience member suggests curation (wha??). Someone else suggests recommendation.
- Matt Cutts
What's the term for "all of this": curation, trusted recommendation tossed around. Kirkpatrick says "I don't think is matters." lolz
- Eric Berlin
Thanks David! And absolutely *love* the group coverage that has evolved on this thread... super interesting story in of itself !
- Eric Berlin
Gray: OneSpot is like a "white label" of Techmeme
- Eric Berlin
Gray: Google Reader shared's Top Shared items a good way to look at which feeds to "prune." Kirkpatrick: "There's nothing wrong with clicking Read All." lolz again
- Eric Berlin
Baker: talks about pruning function within PostRank
- Eric Berlin
@eric - update you FF account - your twitter account is still linking to @ebrage instead of @ericberlin #FFBug ;-)
- zeroinfluencer
Rivera: The mainstream audience doesn't have an information overload problem. One of the most interesting thing I've heard
- Eric Berlin
Gray: Recommends Readburner, RSSMeme
- Eric Berlin
Louis Gray recommends looking at referral logs. That's how he broke on the scene in the first place, as I recall, e.g. http://bit.ly/Glmp
- Matt Cutts
Kirkpatrick talks about cool RWW project of finding "top discoverers" via delicious
- Eric Berlin
Thank you David! Changing my Twitter username has caused me all kinds of headaches
- Eric Berlin
Baldwin: Lijit working on influence tracking within particular verticals
- Eric Berlin
And that's that. Super interesting session !
- Eric Berlin
Onespot looks promising. I never heard of it until now.
- Meryn Stol
Great thread, Eric Thanks for Posting !!! This is the Drag and Drop search tutorial article from Marshall. http://www.readwriteweb.com/archive...
- Eric Logan
Yes, great coverage. Thanks Eric.
- Meryn Stol
Thanks so much Eric and Meryn!
- Eric Berlin
Said hello to Rivera, Gray, Kirkpatrick, Phil Glockner (ReadWriteWeb), @Corvida, Danielle Brigida (National Wildlife Foundation), and Scoble after the sesh -- jam packed room full of social media stars !
- Eric Berlin
One of the best Friendfeed threads ever.
- Sean McBride
Eric, thanks for this! It's the first thing I read once I finally got to sit down after the panel - seriously. Haven't even looked at e-mail or that thing they call Twitter.
- Louis Gray
Thanks Sean and Louis, glad you enjoyed !
- Eric Berlin
Excellent, Eric and participants - I can follow this from the other end of the world.
- Chris Loft
Thanks Eric: excellent thread. Joao/TechFuga
- TechFuga
Thanks Joao !
- Eric Berlin
Thanks Eric, I haven't seen FF used to live log something yet.
- Arthur Alston
I love follow friday, here's some analysis of those who suggest new twitterers #followfriday. Note the lack of "A list" Twitterers. - http://briantroy.com/blog...
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More about this list on http://friendfeed.com/e... This is the list I'd send to newbies for them to find some good new friends.
- Robert Scoble
from Bookmarklet
I wish he did it last week ;)
- Ed Shahzade /NextInstinct
My friend created a site around this exact thing - he's working on better ways to organize the data, etc.: http://topfollowfriday.com (by @humancell on Twitter)
- Jesse Stay
Thanks for the link Robert. For those who are interested - you can watch follow Friday tweets in near real time using the justSignal Tracker (which collected the data for analysis) at: http://briantroy.com/blog...
- Brian Roy
I wish you'd all lobby Twitter to add a non-celebrity, good example, loyal, looong time user, who has contributed to the community 1,000's of times, to the suggested users list. And you only have to type 3 digits to vote ;~)
- Ed Shahzade /NextInstinct
I hope people continue to do what it appears they did. Recommend those they enjoy following... for whatever reasons. Please, I'm begging you, don't create some app to game follow Friday. Let it be people recommending people.
- Brian Roy
I love #FollowSaturday #RuleBreaker @richardbranson reading Richard Branson #SternStory @ http://tinyurl.com/4x4k76
- Margit Hinke
Just poking a hole in your statement. #6 is mashable, which most would consider A list. I understand what you're getting at though.
- Rob Blatt
There are A-Listers on there... but it is in no way dominated by A-Listers... which I think is the point.
- Brian Roy
Maybe this should be the list that creates the Twitters "Suggested Users" list?
- Frode Stenstrøm
I updated the post with the most frequent tweeters of #followfriday @MrTweet_Alert: 302 tweets!!! Wow.
- Brian Roy
@MrTweet_Alert is scraping everyone's followfriday and reposting. Booo.
- Micah Baldwin
I wish I was around to see all this activity! Brian your app is bad ass. I love @humancell's too. Here is a question (which is so late no one will answer) when does #followfriday jump the shark?
- Micah Baldwin
Micah - the tracker FLYS on Fridays... It was pretty amazing to watch. Check it out this Friday.
- Brian Roy
@briantroy That's amazing, thank you. I asked the community to track top #followfriday and several have done it. Lots of talent here.
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Did you see my friend, @humancell's TopFollowFriday?: http://www.topfollowfriday.com/
- Jesse Stay
Why doesn't Twitter use THIS list to suggest new friends to new users? This is a much better list than the one Twitter has.
- Robert Scoble
When I pulled the list this morning I was shocked how few of the "twitter elite" were at the top in recommendations. http://briantroy.com/blog...
- Brian Roy
Brian: that's because everyone already follows the Twitter elite and they don't use Twitter in an interactive way. Plus, the engagement just isn't there. Look at the followers of anyone in the top 100. They are largely lame followers that never tweet. Now look at the followers of anyone on your list. Completely different. Much more engaged. Of course those kinds of people will get more recommendations. I sure like following people who are engaged more than I like following brands or one-way marketing things
- Robert Scoble
That's why most of those elite are so popular - they're the "default" in most apps users add. I agree Robert - a list like this would be much more useful. Why Twitter doesn't just acquire one of these apps is beyond me.
- Jesse Stay
I'm completely with you... but you knew that. Couple more interesting factoids (note - I started collecting on follow Friday at 9:57:47 pacific, stats are through midnight pacific on Friday): There were 12850 tweets. There were 974 Re-Tweets. 5089 replies.
- Brian Roy
Jesse: because Twitter is using their list to make sure that newbies see lots of Hollywood stars and brands that they might like. They think that'll get more newbies to engage. I don't agree, but that's why I don't run one of these companies.
- Robert Scoble
BTW, whats interesting is that #followfriday started on 1/16/09 with 2 recommedations. Now 6 weeks later its 32,000. Thats amazing!
- Micah Baldwin
Me right now with NO make-up, in bed and upset I didn't get a chance to primp: http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3571... I tag everyone!! Stupid Twitter Games.
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Anyone else kinda turned on? You know in that feeling a bit threatened sort of way?
- Geoff Schultz
I love that no one tagged me :D
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Oh just wait - EVERYONE on Facebook is gonna get tagged.
- Mona Nomura
oh boy, here it comes. (creates a new filter just for mona mail)
- Geoff Schultz
Mona W/O Primping > Most W/Primping.
- Louis Gray
Make-up is overrated. I don't use any.
- Morton Fox
Oh man, that expression reminds me of my ex's sister for some reason.
- Kevin L
Rofl Morton
- Geoff Schultz
hahahah I brought the game to Facebook. ;)
- Mona Nomura
"This will not be over quickly. You will not enjoy this." Prepare yourself facebook!
- Geoff Schultz
@Geoff: You're feeling so threatened it's turning you on?
- LarchOye
Come on you guys - waiting for your pictures!
- Mona Nomura
I'm immune to this challenge because like a genius I shun all cameras!
- Joe Pierce
I'M STILLL WAITINGGGGG
- Mona Nomura
pound suckit Mona! Hee
- Michelle Martinez
technically you brought the game to friendfeed.
- Micah Baldwin
Picture will show up on FriendFeed momentarily (via blog & Flickr). Mona looks much better.
- Ontario Emperor
from fftogo
Done, Mona. FTR: you look hawt. :)
- Steven Perez
You asked for it @Mona! No Make-up ... ;) Be sure you have an empty stomach :) http://bit.ly/15f9xK
- Robert Couture
Looks like you stole Susan's glasses and threw in bitch lips for an added bonus.
- Mark Krynsky
hhahaaaa!
- Susan Beebe
no makeup needed Mona! love the specs!
- Darren Heydon
++Darren. Love 'em.
- vijay
Hot in that private just for you knida grainy bedroom webcam way...
- Samuel Bishop
from Friend Deck
Better late than ever! Here mine: http://twitpic.com/1juts
- Shevonne
Twitter Client War: Twhirl vs. TweetDeck - http://scobleizer.com/2009...
Helen M Overland, Adrian, vb100 and 89 other people liked this
i still like tweetdeck better :)
- Rodney Rumford
I can't stand tweetdeck :)
- Nick
I'm sure Twhirl is fabulous and I really appreciate @Loic and his engaging method of development, but I just can't beat TweetDeck's multi-column layout. It's ideal for a 30" cinema display but equally at home running full screen on MBPro
- Conor Ogle
TweetDeck uses too much memory for my computer, so I use Twhirl
- Qbat
Neither, I still prefer Twitterific on a Mac. If I had to decide between these both: probably Twhirl, even though I hate their scrolling implementation.
- Holger Eilhard
I like them both but prefer tweetdeck for single account mgmt. Twirl works well for multiple account mgmt
- Tim FitzGerald
I go back and forth between the two. TweetDeck: love the multi-column group management, but hate the memory usage and inability to sync group lists across machines. Twhirl: I like the FriendFeed and Seesmic integration, but I miss the group list management offered by TweetDeck. To TweetDeck's credit, they are soliciting input on what issues to tackle next; group sync and memory issues were on the list.
- Brian Shoemaker
I prefer the Tweetdeck interface but am using Twhirl because I need to manage multiple accounts.
- Herb Hernandez
At home, Tweetdeck. What about when mobile though? I used tweetdeck on a UMPC at MBC09 (saves my mobile phone for other duties!) and will have a bunch of mobile PC devices at SXSW to do the same (i'm testing them) Seems to me that Tweetdeck + powerful browser on the go would be perfect for microbloggers.
- Steve 'Chippy' Paine
I prefer to use clients that extend beyond twitter.. Preferably Friendfeed and Facebook as well. feedalizr is good. Any other alternatives?
- Abhishek Kumar
from feedalizr
Twhirl feels clunky and it's UI is too complex. Twitterific is perfect for day to day personal use, but Tweetdeck is great for corp accounts.
- Giovanni Ghignone
I use TweetDeck primarily, but it needs Twhirl's lookup feature in the worst way. That one feature keeps me going back and forth. Oh yeah, and multiple accounts. Love Twhirl for that.
- Gimme Blu Frog!
neither of them, They just don't feel right to me. I developed my own which has what I need.
- Darren Stuart
I use Twhirl more, just got Tweetdeck a day ago, like the layout for management. I love Spaz though, sorry!
- Jay Cameron
I started as a big Twhirl fan, til the day it wasn't working. I desperately seek for an option and tried TweetDeck. It was too big in my screen, too annoying with its sound alerts, but then, ok: it got me! groups features became very handy and good to use Twitter for working tasks. I still think TweetDeck could benefit from some Twhirl features - specially after Seesmic acquisition, but can't see myself going back to it anymore.TweetDeck is my favorite one! =]
- May
iam sticking with twhirl for now...
- Stephan Linzner
@ninjamonk which tool did you develop?
- Abhishek Kumar
from feedalizr
i'm liking the new twhirl has some great features and looks like the tool for seesmic users for sure, tweetdeck would be my pick if i was following loads of people
- Adam Gersbach
@Abhishek Kumar I did crowdstatus.com and have built an AIR client based on it but its still not ready as I am in an arms race :p
- Darren Stuart
I use Thwirl 'cause they support Identi.ca, and I can use Identi.ca to post on twitter too. Otherwise i think TweetDeck is a better client for Twitter.
- Norbert Evenich
from twhirl
I use both. Twhirl allows both of my accounts open side-by-side and it's integration with Seesmic is VERY cool. Tweetdeck's layout has superior advantages - especially "sub-groups" and topics to follow.
- Stan Dubin
Twhirl
- Vishy
TweetDeck + real-time FriendFeed in a small browser window: best way to waste time on teh net.
- bnoise
I like Tweetdeck but recently added a second Twitter account so now using Twhirl. If Tweetdeck had multiple account functionality (and Friendfeed connection) I would switch back.
- Henk de Kruyff
from twhirl
I'm using Friendfeed Realtime and Tweetdeck if I'm not on my Samsung NC10 Netbook.
- Marius Quadflieg
http://twtpoll.com/r/jaqtnw still, more people use Twitter from the web...
- Orli Yakuel
I love Twhirl, but it only lacks the groups of users feature of Tweetdeck. I love Tweetdeck, but it lacks the notifying popup for each twit of Twhirl.
- americanm
Tweetdeck on my personal laptop (usage times vary - not always on). Last night app wasn't working right!
- Susan Beebe
I prefer Tweetdeck. Don't ask me why, call it design or robustness but I like it better.
- Carlos Lorenzo
Some sort of hybrid of the two would be perfect, until then I use both.
- Iain Baker
I really agree with this :)
- Liviu Lica
I can't decide, I like Tweetdeck because its nice and big and love the muliple colums, but I like twhirl because I can pick up Friendfeed, Seesmic and TWitarmy.... hard to decide
- Kim Landwehr
I use tweetdeck because of the groups. I have a tab for my favorites and one for people in my country/language (Netherlands). I don't care much for other features like video or integration with other services. Ideally tweetdeck would have the possibility of one column with tabs and save groups and searches.
- TobiasVerhoog.com
Robert, this goes back to your recent "real-time web" post: how do you gather together the outcomes of discussions on the various sites? Someone could post a great comment on the post at scobleizer.com, but it wouldn't show up on your FriendFeed unless you or someone else did an equivalent of a re-tweet. What's the preferred reply etiquette these days?
- Paul Robertson
Tweetdeck, for the groups.
- Chris Luckhardt
Twhirl for the simplicity and minimal space hogging.
- Candy Schwartz
twhirl, far better
- Richard A.
I had thwirl, but never really used it much. I did switch to tweetdeck a while ago (for the second time and have grown to like it a lot. However, I use mobile apps most (slandr/twitstat mobile).
- Arne Hulstein
Tweetdeck is lifesaver by allowing groups.
- Kenley Neufeld
I don't use any Twitter clients. I use Twhirl for Laconica
- LouCypher
While my first choice is still the Web, for TwitApps I am a Twhirl Girl.
- Martha
I would love to have all in real time browser windows. Think about FF meets socialthing - having friends not only from FF but also importing them from each service you have an account on.
- bnoise
twhirl will always rule for me until someone else allows me to do ff in the same client. Although Tweetdeck has some great features, the future of client apps is clearly in supporting multiple networks, which only twhirl does, so it's no contest.
- Todd Brunner
from twhirl
If TweetDeck handled multiple accounts, I'd probably switch back. I like grouping folks so I'm not forced to unfollow those who leash bouts of Twitterrhea ;)
- Carolyn
I switch between both depending on the mood of the day.. The one feature I am waiting on is the group feature in Twhirl.. then hard to judge..
- Bill Moore
from twhirl
TweetDeck :)
- Nicholas James
I love Twhirl. This may seem weird, but tried TweetDeck and it seemed too masculine for my tastes.
- Julie Bovee Hill
Tweetdeck hands down
- Jeff (the メガマクダジ of FF)
I still just use the web interface, or Cellity Tweeter or one of the WAP/mobile web-based clients, if I'm Twittering on my phone.
- Tyson Key
TweetDeck. No doubt.I love groups and searches for monitoring things. Especially once I wrote backup/restore scripts so I could move settings between machines.
- Scott Kingery
Twhirl, because A) I don't have the money/extra hardware to donate to using tweetdeck full screen, and it annoys me to horizontally scroll and B) because I find the group function useless. I don't want to see every last tweet I just want trends, so groups just add more columns to watch. Only thing I liked about tweetdeck was twitscoop, great for watching for events.
- BCK
I rotate between Twhirl and the Firefox add-on, Friendbar.
- Doug
DestroyTwitter is a really nice program as well.. and fast...
- Jaap Willem
from twhirl
Twhirl does FriendFeed, laconica, and seesmic too. Support bit.ly + api for stats. winner hands down.
- Glenn Batuyong
Will have to try the new Twhirl, but if its anything like the old, then I will probably still prefer Tweetdeck's multi column interface
- Peter Efland
Until Tweetdeck supports multi account I won't even consider leaving Twhirl
- adolfo foronda
I just tried twhirl again and shut it off immediately and went back to tweetdeck. I like the groups in tweetdeck a lot. It allows me to follow a group more closely as it lowers the noise for that group.
- Shamir Katsu
Alert Thingy just made a new release too. TC wrote them up. From the post, "...AlertThingy has added support for six more services: Ping.fm, Basecamp, Huddle, TwitPic, TwitterSearch, and Yammer. That makes for a total of 13 services, which already included Digg, Facebook, Flickr, Jaiku, TinyURL, Tumblr, and Twitter."
- coldbrew
Here's the link: http://www.techcrunch.com/2009...
- coldbrew
I use twhirl 4 multi-accounts and tweetdeck 4 main account. I also use 3 monitors running on the same computer & tweetdeck dedicated to one.
- Moses Kpetigo
I like twhirl because it supports identi.ca as well as FriendFeed. If TweetDeck supported FriendFeed, I'd make the switch. Oh, multiple accounts - Twhirl does that, TweetDeck is lacking
- Colin Charles
from twhirl
Mind share on Twitter for both apps http://www.trendrr.com/a... Tweetdeck vs. Twhirl (Number of Matching Twitter Posts per Day)
- mediaeater
tweetdeck is broken for me right now... not sure why. Only displays @replies and searches; NO feed and no DMs (not complaining there!)
- Susan Beebe
I use both
- andy brudtkuhl
twhirl. The Tweetdeck interface is too imposing.
- Brendan Cooper
from twhirl
sounds like the stupidest war ever
- sean percival
They're both unfree. Don't use either of them. Use a free one. If there is no free one, then don't use one till there is.
- Gregg H.
Gregg: what do you mean? I haven't paid for either one.
- Robert Scoble
Agreed- both are free. Who is paying? I think twhirl is great for general use and multiple services (as you pointed out), Tweetdeck is good for those that really, really want (or need) to organize their stream. The interface is daunting however and I found Tweetdeck was slow to update. Now if you are talking iApps- Twitterfon FTW! I also love the "get more people to talk about it!" line- Scoble continues to tell it like it is.
- Alyx
from twhirl
Robert: Free, as in freedom. But, I suppose if you're using a completely user subjugating OS that has no respect for your freedom like Mac or Windows, then one more little freedom killing app like this won't matter anyway.
- Gregg H.
Tweetdeck it is for me ... sadly it just got borked and refused to work on my Ubuntu 8.10 desktop
- Murali
TweetDeck is my choice as well.
- Darrell Madore
falling in love with Alert Thingy... similar than Tweetdeck and more usable
- Luca Filigheddu
Robert - interesting post but it doesn't sound like a war to me. Aren't both clients offering solutions to different problems?
- Iain Dodsworth
Now, if AlertThingy would work on my machine, I'd give that a try, but unfortunately, it doesn't populate the window with posts on my end. :(
- Alexander Kucera
I am still trying to figure out which one I like best, but for the most part I think twhirl is best for sending and TweekDeck is best for viewing.
- Chris Patterson
I use them both but mostly use Tweetdeck. It would be great to have better picture submission with Tweetdeck and a reduced memory footprint as I have to shut it down regularly as it becomes sluggish.
- Kirti Vashee
Just stumbled upon this post and want to add, that I found a way to sync TweetDeck groups betweed different machines using Dropbox and junctions. Just put the Appdata Directory of TweetDeck into Dropbox as a junction and on the other machine make a junction from the Dropbox directory into the Appdata directory. Quite geeky I know but that's how I keep different apps' settings in sync and it works well :)
- Dennis R.
So Who Sucks Worse, Summertown Sun Publishing or Flickr? - http://thomashawk.com/2009...
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Kol Tregaskes, HotelFoo, Nia and 23 other people liked this
I think Flickr because of its knee-jerk reaction without looking into the facts.
- Alastair Montgomery
knee-jerk reactions seems to be part of flickr policy these days.
- Nick
personally I think that as the largest well organized repository for photographs on the internet today that Flickr should be doing everything that they can to *encourage* people to upload and organize public domain works on their site rather than censoring and harassing photographers.
- Thomas Hawk
well Yahoo seems to go out of its way these days to screw up anything good they have.
- Nick
It seems that in the last week, Flickr has really reared it's censoring side. You gotta wonder how much longer before a competitor service starts to market itself with "we won't screw you like Flickr does".
- Randy Hall
Randy, it's not about that. At this point flickr has the content and the users for better or for worse. For better or worse we are going to have to live with Flickr for a while going forward. I think the better question is how to get Flickr/Yahoo to change their censorship policies. And unfortunately I don't know the answer to that one. They've been written up for censorship time and time again, even at sites like the BBC and yet still seem unwililng to budge even when they admittedly make mistakes.
- Thomas Hawk
Thomas, thank you for stepping in to publicize this VERY disturbing development. Flickr staff that made this decision should be sanctioned.
- Robert Linthicum
I don't understand the big deal. Agreeing not to harass other users is part of Flickr's terms of service. The user uploaded a photo with derogatory comments of another user. Flickr removed that image for violating the ToS. If you don't like the ToS, start your own photo-sharing site.
- Glen Mistletoe
Glen I don't consider saying a company "sucks" as harassment. I think that's free speech and that speech like that ought to be allowed on Flickr and protected. But now I've gone and also said Summertown Sucks too so we'll see if I end up censored as well. Maybe I will. I hope not.
- Thomas Hawk
What kills me about Flickr is their pick & chose way of doing business. There was a user who took 14 of my photos and put them on her page. Her stream is full of other people's photos. It's been 2 yrs. and flickr has not deleted her account even though all of us complained. In June or July of last year, on each photo I asked her to remove, she just marked it private.
- Admiral Anika
That's obviously your opinion, Thomas. Unfortunately, they don't use your opinion when making their decisions; read the ToS to see whose opinion matters.
- Glen Mistletoe
Summertown Sun sucks worse, here's why: Clearly those pictures are in the public domain and they have no claim. I'm vehemently opposed to censorship, but flickr (yahoo) is not public space, it's a business so like it or not they can make their own rules. They're idiots, but it's their party.
- Rob LaRosa
I'm confused by Flickr's response to Dazzlecat... is Summertown a Flickr member? Otherwise the restriction about "harassing" other members doesn't apply... I don't think a company can be a member... It sounds like they just found the photo in Dazzlecat's stream and contacted Flickr. Why is Flickr protecting them instead of one of it's own paying members?
- Lindsay
Lindsay, that's the problem with censorship at Flickr. There are so many double standards and unknowns. Personally I don't think saying something sucks = harassment at all. When one of Flickr's most popular users _rebekka did this and was censored and the BBC picked up on it, Stewart Butterfield stated publicly that the deletion was a "mistake" http://news.bbc.co.uk/1... Unfortunately Flickr doesn't seem to learn from their "mistakes"
- Thomas Hawk
the other issue of course is that photo and account deletions at flickr are permanent and irreversible. Despite the fact that they've more than once admitted to making mistakes in their censorship efforts, they still won't agree to build a mechanism to make photo and account deletions temporary or reversible. Even though marking a photo private and then dealing with it seems simple enough, Flickr insists that every decision that they make to censor be done irrevocably. I don't get that most of all.
- Thomas Hawk
I can't believe that Flickr is unable to include an account status flag in their architecture to get around the "permanent deletion" issue - it's absurd that they destroy data so flippantly when they know that they are not infallible. At least when real people are sentenced to death, they get a few years on Death Row in which to mount an appeal.
- Luke Robinson
Luke certainly taking a life unjustly would be far more grave than censoring on Flickr. But your point is well taken. It is absurd that Flickr refuses to make deletions reversible. They even have the tools to do this today by simply marking a photo or account to private pending an appeal. I think that it's mostly though that they just don't want to deal with an appeals process. They'd rather live with bad deletions because, Yahoo doesn't really seem to care.
- Thomas Hawk
Sumertownsun has responded to this post on my blog. http://thomashawk.com/2009...
- Thomas Hawk
@Thomas - Summertown's response seems reasonable to me. I'm no copyright lawyer, but I've read a lot of what Lawrence Lessig puts out there. I'm completely for expanding the public domain and punishing Flickr if they're removing public domain images that we post on our flickr streams. However, if Summertown is modifying the images, and if that's considered a new work that has its own copyright (which makes sense to me), then we're getting hysterical here - they would have the right to complain.
- Blake Caldwell
@Thomas - But that said, I'm not sure what constitutes libel. I would imagine we're allowed to say something 'sucks'. If that's not considered libel, and Flickr's removing the images that say that something sucks, then I'd also oppose them for it.
- Blake Caldwell
Blake, yeah, that's my biggest problem with all of this actually. Flickr seemed to cite the issue in the 2nd deletion as "harassment," I don't think saying something, some company, some person, etc. "sucks" ought to be considered harassment worthy of having a photo deleted.
- Thomas Hawk
Shouldn't there be a law or something that says that this is not ok!? @Thomas Hope that by you writing more about such things, will draw more attention to the core issue of censorship in online networks (which is why I still like to control my data). As you said, Flickr should at the very least, build a way to recover data that they choose to delete. Another reason to use zooomr (http://zooomr.com/photos/shiva). (Since you won't plug zooomr, I will :))
- Shivanand Velmurugan
And don't forget that Summertown Sun isn't a Flickr member and the TOS specifically says another member. I'd like to know what Summertown Sun does to the pictures to make them their own.
- Kenton
Since I had a knee-jerk reaction to this story, I thought I should go and read Summertown's Terms of Use (http://www.lunagirl.com/NEW-Ter...). I wouldn't know if that was changed after the flickr-fiasco or before (it says NEW-Terms :)). It is quite apparent that they declare that some of their images are not copyright free. But what is not evident is how they declare the status of copyright for each image. The images don't have a watermark or any metadata. Lawyers, anything to say?!
- Shivanand Velmurugan
Yeah, that was my question too, Kenton (about them being another member). I would also like to know what they do to make the pictures copyrightable too. There was a thread not too long ago about the artist that made the Obama Hope graphic complaining that he'd used a press picture as the base for it and lots of people complaining that even that change wasn't enough to qualify it as it's own copyright. What do they do to those public domain photos that makes them their property?
- Lindsay
When are First Amend rights superseded? When you have agreed to a contract that sets them aside. Those images appear to violate the US copyright law, as well at least 2 points of the Flickr user agreement. Many of us in the creative realm depend on protected intellectual property as a livelihood. The orderly strength of that legal structure is what makes American ingenuity so powerful.
- Douglas Hopkins
Lindsay: look up a summary of the copyright law, you'll get exact answers to your questions. Even Veronica (ex-Buzz Out Loud) used to endlessly rant on these issues, making only the point that she didn't have clue about what copyright is. Over time copyrights expire. They can be renewed. Using an expired image and altering it in any visible way is grounds for a new copyright.
- Douglas Hopkins
I thought my ears were buzzing...
- Veronica
I'm pretty sure my understanding of copyright law is fairly solid, Douglas. I hope that if you had an issue with me that you made it clear at the time.
- Veronica
Douglas, actually my biggest problem in this case, although there are many, is the fact that Flickr cited harassment as the reason why the second photo was deleted. Saying a company "sucks" ought not be considered harassment. Neither should calling someone "rat bastard." Flickr consistently has double standards with content. Why was dazzlecat's image deleted but not my exact same image?
- Thomas Hawk
what 2 points of the Flickr user agreement does this image violate Douglas?
- Thomas Hawk
Lindsay, I posted more about the Hope case over here. http://bit.ly/16wVI
- Jauder Ho
If the image was altered beyond a reasonable doubt then a new copyright claim can be filed. That's just how public domain works. As far as Summertown filing for the copyright, not sure if they do or just put a claim out there on their works. Flickr's explanation on why the image was removed was just as bad if not completely idiotic. "You cant harass other members." What they should have said was that it violated Summertime copyright so it was taken down. Yahoo has got to start putting the "A" team on flickr
- Lucas
Now if you and dazzlecat really want to stick it to Summertime then go and find the origional work in public domain and post that. Then send the screen cap to flickr and Summertime and gloat the hell out of it. What can they do to you then, nothing. Just don't violate the TOS "lol" with some "Free Speech".
- Lucas
The hottest netbook? Asus Eee PC 1000HE. I want this one. - http://blogs.computerworld.com/apple_n...
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Is this the best netbook out there? Looks like it to me!
- Robert Scoble
from Bookmarklet
Looks well loaded. Lots of memory, and a nice sized display. It's not much different than the one I recommend. It would be nice with an Nvdia chip. Nice choice though.
- Michael Fidler
Will it run OSX, or was that just something the reviewer desired?
- Michael Fidler
I preordered one from J&R for $340 http://is.gd/iqCK
- Cassidy
Great machine! I think I'll order one.
- Jorg Jansen
Hopefully it will last longer than my EeePC 1000H that just died inexplicably,after only 4 months of service.
- Emee Pumarega
Pretty sweet.
- Mike Nayyar
Just an FYI, this does not come with the GN40 chipset!!
- Cassidy
sexy machine, but I think I'll wait until they start shipping these with Windows 7 pre-installed.
- Jeff
15" or more for me only. Can't stand tiny, low-DPI screens. Waste of money if it's less than 1680x1050 and that's still pushing it...
- mjc
It's a great one. I think this, MSI Wind and Samsung's NC10 are the best u can currently get.
- Sebastian Valmont
The hottest netbook for me is Lenovo S10E.. cause I just got it myself =) love it
- Qbat
I couldn't use a netbook for very long without wishing for a larger screen, better keyboard, faster processor and better graphics. I'm with MJC on this one. I bought myself an ASUS for Xmas, but it was a 15.4" multimedia model.
- jcunwired
I want that one too it's really easy to use but I first I have to sell my hp tx2500z :) help me sell it lol
- Live Crunch Blog
from twhirl
Windows 7 runs surprisingly well on the current generation of Atom N270 netbooks. Screen resolution is the real limiting factor, though: http://www.mobilecomputermag.co.uk/2009020.... (Mac OS X runs well too, but more on that anon...)
- Jules
did some searching, but think I will wait untill the PC T101H from asus eee is available. The touchscreen, gps module and tv tuner will make it complete.
- Jorg Jansen
not sure how different it is from 1000H which I own already
- Ihar Mahaniok
If I were to get a Netbook, there's a good chance it would be this. However, it comes with Windows XP only, and not Linux, which is disappointing to me. But it does look sweet, I have to admit. 1024x600 on a 10" screen seems a little limited... but the battery life seems to be really rocking!
- Colin Charles
from twhirl
You might want to wait for the Dell Mini 10: http://snurl.com/bkb6p. More details coming on Direct2Dell.com soon.
- LionelatDell
among netbooks this is an incremental upgrade in terms of the next atom processor, front side bus, battery life & ram upgradablility. the rest is pretty much what the msi wind & other netbooks have already -6 cell batt, bluetooth, 802.11n, slightly smaller keyboard. the big difference is that the *dual core* atom processors are expected by fall. by then, netbooks will hit a new milestone. so, like i said before, this is an incremental spec upgrade.
- sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq
Or wait for the Asus T91 convertible tablet.
- Rodfather
It's a nice netbook, but I'm much more interested in the HP Mini 1000 :)
- Michael Forian
I'm thinking of waiting until there are netbooks that use dual-core Atom CPUs. Those may be out later this year.
- Morton Fox
I prefer the MSI Wind U100. Their 10 inch netbooks were shipping last fall. The U120 is even better in several respects. It will be interesting to see what Dell offers.
- J.D. Deutschendorf
I ♥ Asus EEE forever
- @CrystalinaB
thanks for posting this, i've been looking, but nothing really struck my attention till this one, thanks!
- aDay Late`
“Sony Releases New Stupid Piece Of Shit That Doesn’t Fucking Work” - http://www.everydayux.com/2009...
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I am so unmotivated to work out, I am considering crack.
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Do it *laser glare*
- Mo Kargas
............ ok
- Johnny Worthington
Crack is whack.
- Russellreno
Thanks to Mo's laser glare, I am getting up off my lazy ass. Sigh.
- Mona Nomura
Wait, I know just the thing for this occasion!
- Joe Pierce
U CAN DO IT MONA WOOOOO. Do you feel motivated yet? No? Oh well i tried lets eat snacks.
- Geoff Schultz
I've got your crack right here Mona --> http://www.flickr.com/photos...
- Threepwood
i'm unmotivated to work out as well, but getting ready to force myself to do it.
- joey
I'm thinking of becoming a crack dealer. Maybe we can work something out.
- Eric @ CSTechcast.com
its a trap!
- Geoff Schultz
Mona-no crack needed. Mt Dew + sudafed. You'll be at the gym until they close it for the night :)
- Jeff (the メガマクダジ of FF)
Crack is slightly healthier than Mt. Dew
- Joe Pierce
I haven't left yet. I have no excuse. I need to get up and DO SOMETHING about my new additions called back rolls. Getting. up. now.
- Mona Nomura
Remember that the hardest part about working out is starting. Just start and you will be ok.
- Shevonne
I'm just being a big procrastinating baby. Thanks for being so kind Mommy 'vonne! Ok, getting off computer NOW. If you see me on FF, tell me to GET THE F*CK off.
- Mona Nomura
You do it ! The only hard part is in your mind. FF will be here when you get back :)
- Mo Kargas
Is self satisfaction considered exercise? I imagine is has to be for girls, considering the greater effort required to warm up the equipment.
- Matthew DeVries
How did it go?
- Mo Kargas
You are sounding like me :)
- Bindu Reddy
Mona needs a dose of Billy Blanks' Boot Camp!
- imabonehead
I didn't last the full 20 minutes - so I'm going to start pilates again. -sigh-
- Mona Nomura
Me sigh too. I used to do kungfu...for 10 years. Stopped since I got my current job.
- imabonehead
I will tell you from personal experience, go with powder cocaine. you lose your appetite, but dont lose your teeth. Huh? Oh right...thats what I HEARD.
- Micah Baldwin
Maaaaan but I would have to snort that. My nose is exit only, just like my... oh, wait.
- Mona Nomura
from IM
I've thought about trying crack. LSD is the only drug I really like. My manic episodes in 1987-1990 really made most drugs seem really lame. Usually I just breathe (see breathwork) and try to visit & live in great states-of-being naturally (no hangovers). Did 3 beers this week with a cute lady I met in Hawaii & the off-balance feeling the next day was not cool.
- Mitchell Tsai
Question for you...If you could share 1 tip to build new & more meaningful relationships on Twitter, what would it be?
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Invest the time to get to know people well.
- Francine Hardaway
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Engage with people where they are instead of trying to sell your product or service all the time.
- Karoli
Use friendfeed.
- Alex Scoble
Stop using Twitter to "get ahead," and start helping others to get ahead. (A reaction to the many who see everything as a marketing opportunity.)
- Dominic Jones
+1 Alex! :)
- Susan Beebe
Alex FTW! Good stuff everyone. Thanks! :)
- Brian Solis
Retweet what you think is cool but only if it is not from an A-lister(enough folks are retweeting that stuff anyways). If you enjoy a retweet, consider following the original tweeter. I've found some interesting folks from RTs.
- James Williams
James, excellent recommendation.
- Brian Solis
Instead of tweeting about your business, tell a new person you're following why you're interested in them & how you found them.
- Cathryn Hrudicka
Help build up local charities on twitter. Many of these groups have amazing folks on the Board of Directors. This enables you to promote a worthy cause and also develop deeper relationships with a segment of your community that might not really be engaged in twitter or social media just yet.
- Susan Beebe
don't use bots or automation tools, unless you want to be treated like a bot or a tool in return.
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@micah I am really Pizza the Hutt - but that stays between us. May the Schwartz be with you!
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So, how's the workout going, Mona? :D
- WorldofHiglet
WoH - LOL not to worry, I am NOT resorting to drugs haha! I did cardio for about 15 minutes and just about died LOL
- Mona Nomura
from IM
Hey, I'm not the boss of you! :) 15 mins is very admirable - now....I can haz pizza?
- WorldofHiglet
I want a burger LOL
- Mona Nomura
You can haz cheesburger....when you do another 20 mins!
- WorldofHiglet
Increase iPhone Photo Quality With ClearCam - http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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The video doesn't run on iPhone. Oh the irony
- Christian Anderson
It takes a couple hours for the YouTube vids to play on the iPhone.
- Bwana ☠
iPickuplines - free pickup line generator. What's YOUR best line? http://twitpic.com/1exsq
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Is FriendFeed the next MySpace?
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LOCATS, memes, bacon, Moments of Win, suicide threats, spammy likes -- sure, one person's noise is another person's signal. But a year from now, will FriendFeed be more like an information hub or MySpace? Place your bets.
- Chris Baskind
Hell no. I don't think the majority of FF users would allow or tolerate that. Plus I have confidence that the developers of FF wouldn't allow it either. They won't implement the awful themes, embedded audio, apps, etc. that MySpace has.
- Rochelle
I think people will do whatever they want with it, and that there's no reason it couldn't go either way (or any way). Your guess is as good as mine.
- Jason Wehmhoener
NOOOOOO. You can't make an entire profile page full of auto-play music and blinking backgrounds in clashing colors. Until you can do that, FF won't be MySpace.
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
I totally need pink sparkles on my page. Can we get a greasemonkey script for this already?
- Robert DeBord
Content, peeps. :-)
- Chris Baskind
No ways. Ever
- Roberto Bonini
1UP Jandy. I don't understand how people think that crap looks good. Are they all colorblind?
- Rochelle
I can't believe you lump those things together in your first comment. Are you equating Moment of Win with a suicide threat, and bacon?
- Josh Haley
To me, MoW is as spammy as a bacon meme. Doesn't mean I piss and moan about it, and I certainly haven't blocked anyone who enjoys that sort of thing. But it's sure not content aggregation.
- Chris Baskind
mow and bacon fine but suicide threats?
- Josh Haley
It has gotten fiercely lowbrow and clique-ish.... (and i agree chris, MoW and forced daily memes is basically spam)
- Ňicķ
You're awfully sensitive about MoW, Josh. Other people have expressed the opinion that it's spammy, and you've ignored them. So I don't know why my opinion would matter. Yes, I'll equate the three, in the sense that they're all part of the social -- rather than content sharing -- aspect of FF.
- Chris Baskind
from IM
chris you're being unreasonable
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
How so? The question is whether FF will gravitate towards its social or informational aspect.
- Chris Baskind
Has Paul Buchheit shaved five years off his age? :)
- Ontario Emperor
from fftogo
So you advocate that FriendFeed has no business being a place for anything social? Google reader is a great aggregator if that's all you want. My "sensitivity" is towards the seriousness of suicide threats and how you lumped them into a meme. Me complaining that you don't like the MoW is like me complaining that you don't like bacon: Silly.
- Josh Haley
What is a "forced daily meme"? No one is forcing anyone to participate in memes... they do because they find it interesting and fun. As far as whether FF is informational or social, it's both. I would say that most "informational content" is aggregated in rooms where there is a focus on topic and tone. The main feed is more social because people post whatever is interesting to them ATM, which may or may not be informational in an academic sense.
- Lindsay
Actually, Josh, I didn't say that. I've certainly been "social" here. What I asked was whether a year from now, it would favor one direction or the other.
- Chris Baskind
You can craft your experience to be purely informational by ignoring all social aspects... Make your feed private. Only subscribe to "quality content posters" and limit your participation to rooms. You don't HAVE to be social on FF, but lots of people enjoy it, and they use FF for they way they prefer.
- Lindsay
No and I hope not. FoF sculpting and lists are helping restore my own personal balance of the two.
- AJ Kohn
@Chris - I think FF has moved away from its early, informational aspects, but FF benefits from Lists and Rooms to cull the wheat from the chaff. MySpace doesn't give you that ability. It is not going to take all the non-informative stuff away, but it helps.
- JA Castillo
I don't think you can pigeonhole FF into being mostly informational or mostly social. It differs for everyone who has an account based on who they subscribe to and how they choose to participate (or not).
- Lindsay
@lindsay, i did not mean forced as in people are forced to do it, obviously they are not. I meant it in the sense that what was once spontaneous and clever is now repetitive and feels forced, simply in order to try to maintain the fun while the creativity has slowly seeped out of it. What excitement is there in posting a new picture of a facial expression every night? (again though, i will reiterate my idea that such a thing and the people that enjoy it use a room... seems to make so much sense)
- Ňicķ
Nick, for some people it's a replacement for being able to get together with friends in person. Taking pictures of yourself when everyone else is sharing is kind of like sitting in a club and goofing off. It's a way to socialize through more than just text. And it gives people a bond and something to laugh about if they do have the chance to meet in person.
- Lindsay
alright Lindsay, so it has become myspace then.... because that's what myspace and facebook are meant for.... i do not believe that was what friendfeed was designed for...
- Ňicķ
I hope not!!!
- Michael Fidler
@Nick, I think FF allows a lot more interaction than what it "was designed for" and it wouldn't be nearly as popular if it were ONLY a reader/aggregator. And, again, just because you CAN use it for social aspects doesn't mean you HAVE to. No one is forcing you to. And you can pretty easily avoid it if you don't participate in anything but rooms focused around your non-social interests.
- Lindsay
comparison FAIL
- bcultral
Also a difference with MySpace and Facebook is that, in general, those are to stay in touch with your meatspace friends (people you already have history with). FF is a way to make and maintain friendships with people you've never met in person, based on the fact that you've got some common interests or find each other entertaining because it gives you mini-forums around posts on those topics. You can't really browse MySpace and Facebook that way.
- Lindsay
that is certainly true Lindsay, and I have tried to streamline my feed to be oriented more towards information and discussion.... but I like the people on here and find them interesting, so I don't want to leave "mainstream FF culture" behind. I just wish the FF cultural priests were not so overbearing and dismissive of dissent.... one jab at the nightly meme or the MoW and it's like: "get the hell out of here, if you don't like friendfeed!"
- Ňicķ
NO. Cuz that means bad news for FF in the next few years.
- Tamar Weinberg
No one likes being criticized for enjoying themselves. All the bickering from both sides gets pretty old. I still maintain that FF needs to provide us with more advanced filtering options so that it will be easier to make everyone's feed the way they want it to be. The problem is that as soon as I post something you don't like it's in YOUR FEED and then you get mad at me about it. But I posted it in MY FEED so I feel like I have the right to do that... We have to either get along or not interact...
- Lindsay
"We have to either get along or not interact" ....well, you hit the nail on the head there. what hope does humanity have! ;-)
- Ňicķ
(good thing none of this actually matters.....)
- Ňicķ
Lindsay - nice observation. I'd lump Twitter in with FF in that respect. I regularly interact with a number of people on twitter that I have never met in person and probably will never meet.
- Nick in Manila
Well, as you pointed out, this is a subset of the kind of interactions we all (humanity) need to figure out to get by in the world. If you're the kind of person that lets this stuff get to you on FF you're probably pretty miserable offline too because you let small stuff bother you. If you learn to take a deep breath, hide or refresh and get on with life, then you're probably a happier person off line. This is a good test ground to figure out social interactions!!
- Lindsay
(btw Lindsay, i don't actually get mad at people posting anything.... i simply on occasion believe they are "misusing" the service.... but of course that is only my personal opinion about what FF is supposed to be about... an opinion everyone has in different forms)
- Ňicķ
haha, i was writing a response to that comment while you were writing it..... In general I have only lurked on most of the debates around here, but occasionally i like to give my two cents.... though i'm not even a dedicated user anymore..... it's sunday, it's raining, and why not bicker with people over the interweb!
- Ňicķ
@Nick, you're doing well by realizing that what you think FF is about may not necessarily be the absolute truth of it. Some people don't get that at all... and that's where a lot of the conflict arises. FF is what YOU make it by how you participate and who you subscribe to. Fortunately you can change both of those things (and therefore your experience on FF) whenever you wish.
- Lindsay
First off, MoW or any other meme is not spam. Now on to the question at hand. I don't think that Friendfeed is the next Myspace. Myspace and Facebook both do different things that Friendfeed doesn't do and that it doesn't need to do.
- Mathew™ one of a kind
well, i think that somewhat naive lindsay... that is the common reply of the FF power user.... but you must admit there is a culture here in friendfeed... regardless of the tool itself.... so these debates are about that culture, as much as they are about FF the program. (and that's really what chris's myspace analogy is all about)
- Ňicķ
Friendfeed is whatever you subscribe to, shrug. If you aren't pleased with your experience it is your own fault.
- Geoff Schultz
Lots of good answers already, FF is not MySpace and never will be, if you don't like people who do these things a lot, 1)don't subscribe to them or 2)hide all posts of a particular type, or just the particular offending posts. It's pointless to try to tell people how to use this. It is FLEXIBLE. You make it into what you want it to be. That's the beauty of it.
- Kamilah Gill
@Nick - I don't think it's so naive. There were discussions not long ago about people with multiple accounts on FF. Look for comments by Anika... she said that she has two accounts on FF and logging into each one is almost like using two different services because of who she subscribes to and how she participates in each account. Culture is about people. If you don't like the culture then don't subscribe to the people who are a part of that culture.
- Lindsay
I don't like a lot of these things, either, and if particular people do it too much, I hide their stuff. If you want an entirely dry and boring informational feed, do everything you can to subscribe only to like-minded people. Cull the silliness mercilessly. I enjoy the silliness sometimes, and leave it alone. Other times I reach a bacon limit. Actually, no, the bacon limit has been exceeded. But still, if that's what some folks like, fine. I have problems with nsfw stuff. I complain about that sometimes.
- Kamilah Gill
It's kind of a living RSS reader. It's all about subscriptions, and you have total control there, but not over what your RSS sources choose to publish.
- Kamilah Gill
I think some of you just need to loosen up a bit. That is one reason why I love this place so much. No matter how stressed I am in the real world I can come here and find something to make me LMAO!
- Mathew™ one of a kind
I might catch all-mighty hell for this but I'm all for a meme room too. Hiding and blocking won't help - I like you people. But when the memes come out, I go do something else.
- Shawn Farner
I find Friendfeed to be both extremely intelligent and depressingly infantile. Sometimes it seems like one or the other is "trending" towards dominance. Then I walk away, come back, and it's different again. I hope it keeps changing and never gets stuck. I'd like to believe that more users = more diversity, not simply decreased intelligence.
- Jason Wehmhoener
+17 Jason
- Derrick
Context is a wonderful thing... The largest group here in FriendFeed is Middle Eastern. Very few would be subscribed to any of us and therefore miss this entire discussion and the memes in question. We sit here and talk like we are the only people using the service and it rises or falls on our actions... Which just goes to show... your experience on FriendFeed is undoubtubly coloured by who you subscribe to.
- Johnny Worthington
Lindsay, Jason, Johnny, and several others have the right idea about this whole thing, I think.
- Kamilah Gill
Unless the good folks here at FriendFeed start using crack-addled monkeys to code the pages, then no, this will not be MySpace.
- Steven Perez
I sincerely hope not
- Charlie Anzman
FF would be _lucky_ to even come close to the popularity of MySpace.
- Dossy Shiobara
And popularity *definitely* isn't everything.
- Kamilah Gill
FF takes a bit of figuring out initially, and I think that is what will keep it from ever becoming Myspace.
- Pete Delucchi
Another good point, Pete, The barrier to entry for FF is definitely a bit higher here than it is for MySpace.
- Kamilah Gill
Pete, and for that I am thankful.
- Rochelle
Question misses some key points, so I'll just say "no." You don't have to join to turn off irritating "auto-play" for example. Another example is lack of ridiculous wallpaper. Another example is lack of attempt to make cash from teens, apps, and industry deals. Oh, and Rupert hasn't made a bid to purchase it AFAIK :)
- Richard ¿digame? Walker
Chris, I know what mean. At times, it does feel cliquish and hard to find value. I don't think it can ever be bad as myspace though.
- Alan Le
You know, the more I think of this, the more I am offended for Myspace! I know a lot of people and bands that have done very well from their Myspace pages. Not every page is a hideous mess of unicorns and glitter, some profiles are stella. When did Myspace become a dirty word? (Keeping in mind that if all you are getting out of Myspace is silly teens with depression and glittery moving background, then maybe you going to the wrong profiles, or subscribed/friends with the wrong people)
- Johnny Worthington
Johnny - I agree with you about MySpace. And I've conducted professional business through MySpace pages. There was nothing unprofessional about either their pages are the people that created them.
- Nick in Manila
I noticed the MySpace hate early on and I think I voiced some opinions on it right here on FF. Just because some users do retarded stuff with their profiles, does not mean it's not a useful service.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
Not quite. We don't have band homepages on Friendfeed.
- Morton Fox
We DO have rooms, though.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
Yeah what's up with the no Profile page? Technically it's a piece of cake, no? Must be either a philosophical conflict or there's a strategic conflict with where FF is taking us in the long term.
- Nick in Manila
The brilliance of Friendfeed is the very limited profile information. Initially it seems a bit odd, but it means you can only be judged by your content.
- Alistair (alpinefolk)
Alistair, that is an excellent point :)
- Johnny Worthington
I agree, luckily there is no space where to tell the world you are a guru in something and there is not a flashing number with how many friends or followers you have collected
- M F
+100 Robin
- Nicola Quinn
i see chris' point (which has been a growing "gripe" of mine) and i agree with Jason Wehmhoener. to each their own i guess. i'd just rather focus a bit more on informative and intelligent posts that spark my intellectual curiosity
- Cee Bee
Great question...
- Sean
No, it's too complicated for the masses
- Shevonne
@Chris Baskind I responded here: http://friendfeed.com/e...
- Christopher Harley
I hope no!!!!
- sunipeyk
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One other fallout from today: it is a lot less likely I will go to SXSW.
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Do you think attendances at trade shows / events will drop in 2009 because of the economy AND the ability to grab live blogging?
- Jim Connolly
Bummer. Hope you can squeek by and make it anyhow.
- David Herrold
Oh, Robert. :(
- Mona Nomura
Uhoh...
- Tabz
Oh no! You'll miss the DandyID / Brightkite party on the 16th!
- sara olive
What? Bummer...I was looking forward to meeting you there.
- Mark Krynsky
Eldon: because if it isn't bringing in revenues or increasing audience I won't be doing it.
- Robert Scoble
Jim: yes. Next year is going to be tough for events.
- Robert Scoble
Being a possible vendor at events, the one thing I do know, is the best possible future customers will be at these events...if they're spending money to be at a show, they must be investing in their business. But not even sure I can go this year. I even know of one conference that was moved from April to September in hopes people will more likely attend at that time.
- Scott Sorheim
Scoble - i just emailed you about a celebrity charity event for SXSW that we want you a part of. it will increase audience. lemme know when you get the email. we had a few recording artists, an actress and "other leading blogger" confirmed...more to come as just only started getting the word out this morning.
- Christine Lu
Robert: I blogged about the impact on trade shows here - http://www.thetechnewsblog.com/2009...
- Jim Connolly
I just signed-on for SXSW today
- paul mooney
Robert: Maybe you can take a cue from @jowyang and start hosting networking tweetups in your area to help eager professionals find good jobs? Call it WhoAreYouCamp! You are in a unique position to promote a lot of events locally that will help your local community and inspire your readers globally.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
would Fast Company let another company sponsor your trip to SXSW? is it a cost issue or a focus issue?
- Christine Lu
what happened 'today' specifically?
- Mrinal Desai
Christine: it is both.
- Robert Scoble
Mrinal: what happened today was a rethink of what we will be doing at Fast Company.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, glad they kept you, shows you have proven value to their strategy.
- susan mernit
Yeah: SXSW is hard for me to justify because the attendees are very heavily people I hang out with anyway and it is very heavy with bloggers and influentials. I love it because it is a big party but I can't justify doing that this year. I totally agree in focusing on smaller events and on events that will help people get jobs.
- Robert Scoble
That's right! I'm not going either. Woohoo!
- Veronica
You should totally go to PAX 2009, Robert.
- Alex Scoble
why don't you do your own conference - you probably got enough branding for scoblecon! make them come to you and charge em back for all the years.
- mal
I'll send you some BBQ if you cant make it.
- Jim Turner
Robert, do you think that even if there will be less attendance at SXSW it will also mean that there will be less interest about this event? May be it would be right choice to go there as those who cannot come would appreciate your coverage? This way you will get more visitors to Fast Company.
- Taavi Uudam
Taavi: SXSW is a conference for bloggers and web pros. I bet you will hear more about it than nearly any conference in the world. Veronica: we should do something fun together.
- Robert Scoble
Maybe we'll have an anti-SXSW Tweetup :)
- Veronica
well for me it is the people i like to hang out with but dont see that often ;)
- Nicole Simon
This is my first year going (yes, I'm late to the party) and like Nicole I was looking forward to meeting many people I've befriended online. It's a shame to hear Robert, Veronica, and many others won't be going this year. Moreso with an anti sentiment thrown in. For FF'ers that are going keep up in the SXSW room here http://friendfeed.com/rooms...
- Mark Krynsky
SXSW Interactive is much more then a bloggers and Wed designers conference, Austin welcomes us and the community is transformed, Time is the biggest commitment we give to go the SXSW and the friends we meet and the friends we make is the reward.
- paul mooney
I live in Austin and won't be going to SXSW. Just haven't seen anything compelling enough to get me to go down town.
- Bryan Bartow
from twhirl
I live on the north side of town and it's a 30 minute drive. That's like 30 cents in gas.
- Bryan Bartow
from twhirl
CES said that they were ready for an 8% drop in attendance this year, but the number was 22% drop. I was not able to get the attendance numbers for Oracle OpenWorld, but friends told me it was down from last yr. I made my hotel & air reservations for SXSW & was able to get a good deal. Looks like hotels and airlines are having problems too. This is real, and it will take a long time to recover... but now more than ever companies need to focus and listen to consumers. I see good things some companies.
- Julio F ~ @SocialJulio
Julio: SFO's parking garage was empty tonight. Two years ago you would struggle to find a spot on Friday night.
- Robert Scoble
i've got a wish list about attending conferences this year, and i've got to limit this year's to the XMPP Summit or Future of Web Apps.
- Jason Salas
You should go to the one day Accelerator on the 16th. See up and coming companies (sort of SXSW's version of DEMO and TC50). Then we would at least get you for a day..
- Micah Baldwin
that's funny spam
- Aaman (Clone of FF)
Robert: maybe Cindy will pay your way ;) ... seriously though, I'm sorry to see you have to go through such changes and feel terribly for Rocky.
- J. McConnell
funny how, when the economy tanks, echo-chamber events just aren't that important anymore...
- Graeme Thickins
Well, I still want to know when you do make it back out to Austin, Robert. Just so I can shake your hand. I probably won't make it to SXSWi this year either, but for me it's just the cost.
- Phil G
Graeme: I really want to go. I might go on my vacation time anyway. Networking events are even more important during downturns.
- Robert Scoble
The .com bubble recession saw the end of Comdex. Don't be surprised if your favorite shows are toast in 2011.
- Eric @ CSTechcast.com
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I left my comments on the blog. So lame that people would do that, but doesn't bother me because I don't auto-follow.
- Laura Norvig
I dont understand the reasoning for follower inflation, because without influence you have nada.
- Micah Baldwin
Know where I can find that script? I want to put an end to it, at least anyone who might be gaming SocialToo users.
- Jesse Stay
Man, if I just had a few more people working with me right now. There are *huge* opportunities right now!
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- Orli Yakuel
So @micah, thanks for the @lijit shirts, but Matthew and Sarah say they don't exactly fit. Hmmm....
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Matthew!! Haven't seen him in a few days. Next = Sarah?
- Mona Nomura
Yes, Sarah is on the right. She looks more awesome. The dual shots were too blurry. :-/ (And those are Male XL shirts... not for babies)
- Louis Gray
Uh, Mona.... Matthew has a rounder face than Sarah's more slender one. Plus, Sarah usually has a more serious look on her face. ;)
- Yolanda
Not in this picture, Yolanda. :-) http://friendfeed.com/e...
- Louis Gray
So cute. Lijit rocks. Boulder companies FTW
- George Smith
Very true! Her expressions just crack me up.
- Yolanda
Like all the startups in Boulder, think of how much better it will be when they grow.... :)
- Micah Baldwin
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Lijit features screenshots of customers' blogs in their boardrooms, and around their office. I'm told mine is lurking somewhere, though I haven't seen it. Thought you might want to see a sample from their main boardroom...
- Louis Gray
from email
I picked out Valeria Maltoni (http://www.conversationagent.com/) in the third pic at the top left, but the rest have eleuded me.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
If you see any familiar ones, post them! :-)
- Jesse Stay
It's Micah!! He poos rainbows. Full fledged RAINBOWS!
- Mona Nomura
Cool
- Tyson Key
Oh, and there's Guy Kawasaki in the second row of the third pic. (http://blog.guykawasaki.com/)
- Daniel J. Pritchett
i saw yours louis - it was in the bathroom upstairs
- Allen Stern
HAHAHAHAAH sorry you left yourself open there buddy :-P
- Allen Stern
Allen I really wish we could have CenterNetworks hanging in our board room. :)
- Micah Baldwin
:)
- Allen Stern
that's pretty neat !
- Adam Singer
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- Louis Gray
How to Photograph Coastlines. Enjoyed writing this one. http://digital-photography-school.com/photogr... I'd appreciate any Stumbles if you enjoy it.
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