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The risks of using Google Maps

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A more mindful Google Maps user can avoid crashing into the origin. - John Lam

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Cradlepoint CTR500 Personal Wi-Fi Hotspot Mobile EVDO Router

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Surfin’ Safari - Blog Archive » Announcing SquirrelFish

June 7 at 10:16 pm - via Bookmarklet - Link

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"WebKit’s core JavaScript engine just got a new interpreter, code-named SquirrelFish... SquirrelFish is fast—much faster than WebKit’s previous interpreter. Check out the numbers. On the SunSpider JavaScript benchmark, SquirrelFish is 1.6 times faster than WebKit’s previous interpreter." - Bret Taylor

The interesting thing about this to me is that register-based VMs are clearly being made viable, what with SquirrelFish and Dalvik (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D...) showing great results. I first got excited about them back when Parrot (http://www.parrotcode.org/docs...) was announced, but they dropped off the radar for a while. - DeWitt Clinton

This is the paper to read, mentioned in the SquirrelFish announcement, and commented on by @jcgregorio a moment ago: http://www.sagecertification.o... - DeWitt Clinton

When I read about Java in the late 90s I was surprised they were using a stack instead of a register based VM. Registers just make sense these days. - Amit Patel

I thought the Java folks picked a stack-based bytecode for compactness, not speed, since the original target was embedded/mobile devices. - Jim Norris

Bob Lee shared an item on Google Reader

Are Academic Journals Obsolete?

June 8 at 6:32 pm - Link

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It's fine to follow the same rigorous process, but put your paper on the net and make it freely available and searchable. Are you trying to make money off of it or spread your ideas as far and wide as possible? - Bob Lee

Most people aren't in it for the glory either, but to have other like-minded people review and evaluate their ideas for potential flaws and problems. If they want an idea spread out to the public for mass consumption, they issue a press release. The peer-review process is the academic equivalent of a spam filter. - Mark Trapp

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That is, you're in it to win it. The large cost involved in subscribing to a peer-reviewed journal is priced for people for whom the cost would be negligible given the commitment to the field of study. The cost is comparable to paying $1,000 for Adobe Creative Suite when you're a designer or a photographer or a Flash developer. No price, no vested interest, and the noise suddenly skyrockets. - Mark Trapp

On top of all that, if you are really interested in the journal's articles, you're probably involved in academia to begin with and can freely get the articles from your University's library. - Mark Trapp

Wait, why does noise skyrocket because more people can *subscribe*? I am very frequently interested in journal articles and pissed off by paywalls. Science is the core of humanity's endeavor to learn more, and that information needs to be available, and not just to the anointed few in universities. Willingness to pay money or membership in an institution are really bad heuristics. - ⓞnor

Nor, think of it this way: if you got to sit in on all of the strategy and staff meetings for Microsoft, Apple, Google, Dell, and every major technology companies, I'm sure you'd hear about a great many wonderous things that, when taken out of the context of a background in the technologies they are talking about (like, for example, all the meetings preceding them), paint a completely different picture of what's really going on. - Mark Trapp

The cost of entry (and it's really time, not money) is so high for academia to force you to go back and spend the time to make sure you have the proper context and background to participate meaningfully in the discussions being thrown around in peer-reviewed journals. - Mark Trapp

I think I lost my point on this trying to expand on examples: you have two options to show to a peer-reviewed journal you are committed to be responsible in your participation and viewing of the data; either be a part of an academic institution (where you can get the journals for free) or pony up. It's no different than any other field: you can either put in the hard work and build your credibility up, or you can pay to expedite the process. - Mark Trapp

It seems to me that peer reviewing and payment are distinct. Making the peer reviewed research freely available seems like a no-brainer; why should we restrict knowledge? A lot of professors in the CS dept at Stanford retained the right to put PDFs of their papers online independently of the journals, but many still do not, and it pisses me off. Journals are not interactive. Having more people read them does not contribute to "noise." - Bret Taylor

Until online sources are seen as potentially equal with anything in print, academics will have to stick to the printed page. Academia is largely about reputation. I should know, I'm wading through it now. - Zach Landes

I get really concerned about talk of restricting access to people who will be "responsible in viewing of the data". Information is far too valuable to be left in the hands of the experts! What exactly are we worried will happen when the great unwashed masses get their hands on scientific papers, that doesn't already happen when they get their hands on the bowdlerized misconstrued mishmash that gets out in the popular press? - ⓞnor

Bret, you're dealing with people's work: 90% of what appears in a peer-reviewed journal isn't intended for public or mainstream scrutiny. If everyone had to stop and explain away the wrong assumptions and conclusions because there's some public outcry about something someone read in a journal, they wouldn't get any work done. People don't have a right to all information: we as society seem to have no problem with companies holding invite-only conferences, or the fees you have to pay to attend, for e.g. WWDC - Mark Trapp

So why is there an outcry about academic work? It's no different. Zachary, most journals are published online as well, and the peer-review process happens largely over email and such. Nor, sure it does, and that's when you have the press supposedly vouching for their credentials on the fields they report. So why would you want to exacerbate that? - Mark Trapp

Dude, have you been to the Internet lately? It is basically one enormous steaming pile of wrong assumptions and bogus conclusions. Adding some scientific papers, which uneducated people probably won't even bother with (because the language is dense, the format unfamiliar and the conclusions subtle), isn't going to cause some great surge of public ignorance! Public access to information is of TREMENDOUS value, which for example is why we have public libraries. - ⓞnor

Except this isn't some right to public knowledge anymore than Google's product strategy is a right to public knowledge. More often than not, people are coming from privately-funded Universities who have no public obligation. So why are we all of the sudden forcing them to be under public scrutiny? You want to force all the people working for public Universities to make their work freely available? Go ahead, but you need their support. You won't see this great cornucopia of information rush forth. - Mark Trapp

Sure, not all information is free. But scientific knowledge is the cornerstone of human advancement; the Steve Jobs keynote at WWDC is not. Conferences cost money because conference centers are expensive to rent. Web sites are not expensive to run and the scientists aren't getting paid (much, if anything) for writing, reviewing or editing journal articles anyway. - ⓞnor

I don't want to force scientists to make their work public if they really don't want to (though I would like them to, if I am paying their salary with my tax money). But the vast majority of scientists do want open access, it's the journal publishers that erect the barriers. Freedom *does* have the support of the producers, what we lack is the cooperation of the middlemen. - ⓞnor

I argue that this is of NO value to the public good unless you are actively engaged in the field; if you are, you most likely already have access to the information, for free, searchable, online, indexable, whatever else you want. If what is published to a journal is in the public interest, it's a moral imperative that the researcher release a press release and talk about it publicly. Why isn't that enough? Why does every Tom, Dick, and Harry have to be involved in that personal decision? - Mark Trapp

Nor, I think we're mostly on the same wavelength here. I think that's an excuse that scientists make to sugar coat an air of arrogance (in much of the way I'm describing). If a scientist wants to make his research widely available (and it's sufficiently cleared to go through a peer-review process, that is, the scientist isn't under an NDA), there is nothing stopping him. Absolutely nothing. - Mark Trapp

Most academic research is paid for with tax-payer money (DARPA, NIH, NSF). Privately funded university or not, most research money doesn't come from the university itself. I do think professors have an obligation to make research public because that is the purpose of university research: to further human knowledge and understanding. There shouldn't be a bunch of elitists deciding who has the privilege of accessing that knowledge. - Bret Taylor

If the scientist wants to publish his or her research in the journals widely read in the field, they are often contractually prohibited from making their work accessible to the public. - ⓞnor

Bret, I'm hard pressed to name more than a handful of peer-reviewed journals that aren't freely (as in speech) available. You just need to pay a subscription to get them. If you don't want to pay, you need to be attached to a University that subscribes to them. It's not an insurmountable roadblock we're talking about here. - Mark Trapp

The problem is that journals are a big business that brings in a lot of money for publishers. They justify the cost as being a function of small print runs, specialized audiences, and high overhead. But the fact of the matter is that it is in their best interest to maintain a closed, proprietary system that gives them leverage to charge huge sums to universities and libraries rather than open them up to inquiry and knowledge sharing. The irony is that much of science is funded by the federal government, yet the data and information is not open to the public, copyright is given to the publishers and consequently enriches them. There is a movement now towards "open source" publishers such as the Public Library of Science www.plos.org, and the use of "creative commons" licenses: http://connect.educause.edu/Li.... - Nathan Young

Nor, if you can provide some background info on that, I'd love to see it. That's a misconception a lot of people have about the peer-review process, and if journals are actually doing that, they are violating a tremendous code of ethics. - Mark Trapp

I think we have all made our points, so this is my last comment here, but I think payment is a huge barrier. Some of the greatest minds are not at universities and may not have any resources available (people like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S...). Any barrier to information is significant. Look at the usage of Wikipedia vs. Encyclopedia Britannica Online, which was available before IIRC and "just" required a subscription. Free vs. not is a huge, huge barrier. - Bret Taylor

There's another thing about the printed page: its more expensive than the digital page. As a result, there is a barrier to the creation and distribution of printed materials. Part of the validity of a scientific, peer-reviewed journal is in the fact that it is published at all. On the internet, there is nothing to stop someone creating a very official sounding "academic journal" filled with unchecked falsehood. Finally, almost all academic journals are available online, through a subscription database. - Zach Landes

Although technically you sign off all your rights to republish or widely disseminate your papers (and even figures!!) when you publish with most journals, I find that many people skirt this restriction by placing PDFs of their work on their personal or university websites (I know I do :). - Nathan Young

Bret, I see what you're saying. It's a complex issue with many parts, and I think we're all dissatistified with various parts of it. Zachary and Nor: it would be unviable and completely unsatisfactory to a researcher to not be able to discuss his or her work outside the confines of the journal. The journal isn't the only place a researcher gets their credibility. In a lot of cases, yes, they do transfer their copyright to the publisher, but the publisher in turn grants them irrevocable rights to discuss and - Mark Trapp

distribute their work with other parties. - Mark Trapp

Payment is an inconvenient barrier, especially to small businesses who need to access the data. However, sometimes I can get free articles from www.pnas.org and sometimes free articles from industry friends. - Sally Church

The NIH has a new mandate for publishing supported research. Principal investigators must ensure that electronic versions of any peer-reviewed manuscripts arising from NIH funding and accepted for publication after that date are deposited in PubMed Central (PMC), NIH's digital archive of biomedical and life sciences journal literature. Full text of the articles will then be made freely available to the public no later than 12 months after publication http://grants.nih.gov/grants/g... - Nathan Young

Mark, I'm pretty sure you're missing the point completely. Academic journals charge for only one reason, and it's the same reason as any other business: to make money. If they could make more money by putting their stuff up on the internet for free with ads on it, they'd start tomorrow. They also serve an important gatekeeper function, but it's entirely on the input end: they decide what articles to publish, and edit the articles, and if the journal is any good the people it has do this are.... - j1m

chosen from among the top few dozen people in the field. Once it's published in those journals, it gains the prestige of having been filtered by those top experts, and the journal has done its job. The only reason to charge for the work after that is so you can pay salary (etc). Most academics will tell you they'd rather have their work out from behind pay walls, and disseminated as widely as possible. If nothing else it would stop them from having to respond to the 100s of emails requesting PDFs... - j1m

that a good article gets from scientists at institutions (often in less-wealthy countries, often just not universities) that can't afford to pony up for subscriptions. - j1m

From Nathan's link: "Beginning May 25, 2008, anyone submitting an application, proposal or progress report to the NIH must include the PMC or NIH Manuscript Submission reference number when citing applicable articles that arise from their NIH funded research. This policy includes applications submitted to the NIH for the May 25, 2008 due date and subsequent due dates." - j1m

This is perhaps the most substantive response to Mark's claims: The NIH and agencies like it fund most academic research, typically in its entirely. They paid for the research, they own it, and they now insist that it be public, for all the reasons that ⓞnor and Bret raise, and more. - j1m

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Why every guy should buy their girlfriend Wii Fit.

May 29 at 11:19 am - via Reshare - Link

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I can't watch this, it's disrespectful, sexist and I tot..... heeeeeey, that's pretty nice. - Vince DeGeorge

I'm not supposed to watch this! ZOMG! - Yuvi

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lol - Dobromir Hadzhiev via twhirl

ex-girlfriend in 3...2... - Chris Hollander

@Chris - LOL! - Hutch Carpenter

classic! - Vox

that rear has been in the commanche - Bhaskar Vijay Singh

Hypnotizing. - Sean Oliver

hahahahahaha brilliant. - Chris Ridenour

I don't even need to watch it. The fact that guys are so easily distracted by stuff like this is why women will eventually take over the world. You didn't see this. Look! Boobies! - Cyndy

Cyndy - it's not so much the boobies here... - Hutch Carpenter

hahahahahaha - Parvez Halim

:D - Jigar Mehta via bTT

Oh oh...intruder alert! intruder alert! perhaps this should have been posted to the Man Show room. - Mark Krynsky

awesome! - Tyler Gillies

So where's the video of the boyfriend in his underwear WiiHooping? - Ginger Makela

@Ginger DO NOT WANT - Andrew Dobrow

Ginger - you're gonna have to find that one and post it. - Hutch Carpenter

The guy sticking out his tongue at the end sort of ruins it for me. Douche. - Andrew Dobrow

Now, if I were to post a video of my girlfriend attempting to do the hula-hoop game, the responses would be quite different. I nearly wet myself when I saw her try it... and I don't mean in a good way! :-S - Tony Ruscoe

It is funny watching someone getting into it ha! - Joe Dawson

<grin> - Russellreno

Hutch, I took your advice. And it's official: after watching about 20+ videos of dudes wiihooping, I've concluded that white guys can't hoop: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v... If you guys can do better, prove me wrong. - Ginger Makela

It's true. Our hips are all wrong. - Slippy Lane

She missed 3 out of 7 hoops...she stinks! - cmiper

yes, we suck at wiihooping, but we therefore can do this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v... - minus3

Busted! http://www.shoemoney.com/2008/... - Hao Chen

Awesome! :) - minus3

nice now to find the hot girlfriend - Charles Rice via twhirl

Excuse me. I need some "alone time" now. - Mitch Wagner

From the link posted above by Hao, this seems like a shameless Nintendo Wii advertisement from Tinsley Advertising company. http://www.shoemoney.com/2008/... I don't like sneaky ads. - Puneet Thapliyal

So the guy says thats his girlfriend. Based on http://www.flickr.com/photos/m..., I believe him. That his girlfriend happens to work for the same advertising company doesn't seem so damning to me. Need more proof plz. - Erica Baker

@Ginger...you asked for it, so here you go...finally a video for you http://www.youtube.com/watch?v... - Mark Krynsky

Thanks, Mark K. aw, ginger: score one for equal opportunity Wii-Fit ogling! :D - edythe

@Mark K. - that is hysterical! Nice response to the original video. - Hutch Carpenter

The response to this is pretty funny... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v... - Mike Doeff

Bob Lee posted a message on Twitter

“Deleted my Pownce account. Reason given: "Ariel Waldman attacked Twitter without so much as a disclaimer."”

May 23 at 10:47 am - Link

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So the TOS doesn't apply to you if you work for a competitor? - Cyndy

Interestingly, this is how I found out Ariel was associated with Pownce. Shows what I know... - Louis Gray

@Louis I didn't realize it was such a big deal. - Cyndy

Robert Scoble posted a message

“You can no longer blame Twitter's problems on me -- I haven't been on all day and it still went down.”

May 21 at 2:02 pm - Link

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Robert, its still your fault. We all knowthe vacuum created in your exodus caused the issue. ;-) - Lon via twhirl

but you've been going here constantly http://istwitterdown.com/, admit it! - Melissa Pierce

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Is friend feed down? (kidding kidding) - Doug Brooks

HA! And now http://istwitterdown.com is LYING to us in a feeble attempt to cover up for Twitter's shortcomings. - Nathaniel Payne

I cannot believe how unreliable it is being!!!! But it manages to fool http://istwitterdown.com/... it says no but I still cannot connect to it!!!!! - Paolo Barone

what's funny is that since i made "twitter come back" - it's been down more than ever - driving more people to my music video! :) - Allen Stern

Well it's down, and yet it's not down. I can't reach the pages properly, but I don't get time-outs either. Just a blank page. - Rosana Kooymans

it seems to happen around 4:30 / 5 or so (EST) - Tim Broder

it is down and not working for me. sux - Photo Larry

It's down BECAUSE you weren't on it. It needs your tweets to survive. - Louis Gray

I am trying...just keeps erroring out - Photo Larry

As much as I haven't really cared all that much about an hour here or there, it is starting to get to the point where I expect it is down, and that is very bad for Twitter. Now I come to friendfeed to talk with people rather than Twitter. I hope they can get things solved quickly. - Caleb Elston

@Louis - HA! Twitter's hungry for Scoble tweets! - Hutch Carpenter

louis, c'mon you know you are the force- you are the "luke" if you will - Allen Stern

AHAHAH istwitterdown.com says "of course" BAHAAHAH - Allen Stern

They have issues that are beyond out of control at this point it is hurting them badly - Todd Cochrane via twhirl

Yeah... hopefully they can get things figured out... quickly... - Adrian Nadeau

istwitterdown.com says No, Twitter still says Nuh Uh. - Marianne Lenox

Your fault still! They were fixing it for your traffic and when it ceased, their fix did not work. hehehe - Rom Feria

now istwitterdown does not respond... do we need a "istwitterdownDown" service? :-) - andrea

LOL. Robert has an alibi - Bwana McCall

is boycotting twitter today cuz it wont work - Photo Larry

i already thought you tried to export your followers to friendfeed or something … - kosmar

@kosmar yea I found an import tool so guess no big loss. Just was starting to like twitter and its been down 2 days now so its annoying me - Photo Larry

scobleizer, okay - though, tell the guys at friendfeed thats their big opportunity now ;-) - michael h

One benefit of the Twit-Out. I didn't know until now (3:00 pm PDT) that Twitter went down today. My life is more peaceful as a result. - Ontario Emperor

If FriendFeed goes down today... guess who we're blaming? - Vince DeGeorge

I was gonna be a dick and go to twitter to say I didn't hear about the twit-out on twitter but on a blog (note: useless use of the internet), but it was down, so now I can be all smug and whatnot and go back to doing stuff. Well, that, and talking about Twitter on Friendfeed and how we are using Friendfeed for this. And you WONDER why no one makes money? Cuz we are retards, srlsy. - Eric Rice

Wait....what? :) - Bwana McCall

Its gotten so bad that "istwitterdown" had to update their site to say "Of Course" - Nik Butler

to spin bless you eric for saying that. Indicates you are prolly a little less reatrded. That is a good thing. - Mark Forman

can we blame you for facebook being down? - Jeff Quinton

Just don't bring your voodoo to FF! ;) - Anthony Farrior

That's why. :) - TranceMist

Blame it on me: http://twitter.com/xhtmlcss my bot posted MORE tweets than Scoble... I feel bad. - directeur

LOL - Mitchell Tsai

Dave Winer posted a message on Twitter

“Obama: "When the world was on the brink of nuclear Holocaust, Kennedy talked to Khrushchev..." http://tinyurl.com/3t9o7x”

May 19 at 12:58 pm - Link

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Do you think war mongers will understand such sane statements? - Krishnan Hussein Subraman

@krishnan subramanian: good point. - edythe

yes. when the bad guys have your ass to a wall then you talk. what is the point? - Noah David Simon

ew years ago instead of just flexing muscles we wouldn't be in the current predicament, most likely. - Bill Vincent via twhirl

edythe posted an entry on tlandow's Recently Played Tracks

Pavement – Cut Your Hair

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“Clinton Begin may not want to keep the Bile style, but he has some good points http://tinyurl.com/5kzqle”

May 19 at 8:30 pm - Link

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Robert Scoble posted a message on Twitter

“I just posted why FriendFeed will go mainstream: http://tinyurl.com/67jjnu”

May 18 at 2:59 pm - Link

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Do you use Alert Thingy or any of the desktop apps for Friendfeed, or just keep the site open? - Patrick Jordan

I agree, FriendFeed will go mainstream if people start using more of these online services - Justin Yost

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I just keep the site open and refresh a lot. - Robert Scoble

That was an awesome and relevant post! Thanks Rob! - Drew Lucas

I use twhirl for updates - Aura Mae via twhirl

I use twhirl, but it keeps moving the screen while I'm typing if there is an update. Hence these random bits of comment you get sometimes... - Rahsheen(isSoAwesome) via twhirl

Using twhirl also. Just not enough screen space there, and things to roll off. Web page is easier. - Todd Jordan

Well said Robert, good article on why FriendFeed will go mainstream. - Mike Reynolds

FF is definitely gonna need a better interface if it IS going to be useable by non-geeks - Rahsheen(isSoAwesome)

I'll split the difference. Will FriendFeed go mainstream? No. Will it be a huge success (profitable / be acquired)? Yes. Must a startup "go mainstream" to be a successful? No. - Jason Kaneshiro

I was thinking the same thing, Jason. I don't think my mom would ever be able to handle FF, but I'm sure most geeks/social media addicts will love it and it will be a success - Rahsheen(isSoAwesome)

my mom is not a good design test case i doubt anyone's mom is- the person who wants to be highly digitally connected, is. - Nathan Eckenrode

Robert, I know you didn't intend it, but your two part piece is a great friendfeed newbie tutorial. Thanks. Also, again don't know if it was intentional, but you forgot to include this friendfeed user: http://friendfeed.com/hillary ;-) - Robert Stevens

Robert Stevens that user needs to engage people with the tools as adults who vote not speakat them like children who must be contained. - Nathan Eckenrode

Well, my mom is a programmer and uses online communications to coordinate her team, so I guess she is not the most common "mom" example :) - Rahsheen(isSoAwesome) via twhirl

Nathan Eckenrode absolutely right about that user needing to engage. Check her friendfeed page. Not a single subscription. - Robert Stevens

and not everyone's mom is theprototypical bumbler that frequently gets assigned t that architypical user group - Nathan Eckenrode

it does make a good friendfeed tutorial, but I don't think it's going mainstream without a serious interface improvement. Its ass ugly! - Justin Flood via twhirl

It's not even that it's ugly, it's that it's not really useable. I think it was created to provide as much as possible, but with the understanding that someone would create decent filters/clients for it for regular consumption. - Rahsheen(isSoAwesome)

I this that whether FF goes mainstream depends mostly on us. - funkyboy

My thoughts - http://www.toddrjordan.com/the... - Todd Jordan

@PatrickJordan - using Twhirl client. - Todd Jordan

Well said. Not entirely certain I agree or disagree with your thoughts, but either way you do present a compelling argument for FF. I think the number one reason that will hold back adoption of a mainstream FF is the benefit to the average user. Unless that is articulated so the *average user* can understand, they will not see the desire to attach themselves to another service. The question at this point is what can, or should, FF do to attract average users? - Scott Jarkoff

@ScottJarkoff - well, partnerships would help. When you sign up for a service, if that service had a check box to add that feed to Friendfeed, it'd be a done deal. - Todd Jordan

@Todd: Agreed. But that begs the question, how would such a partnership benefit the service you're signing up for? There has to be some mutual benefit to a partnership like that. The obvious benefit is for FF, but what does everyone else gain through such an arrangement? - Scott Jarkoff

Scott: I'm not so sure that FriendFeed should worry TOO much about that right now. Instead, make the system of great utility to advanced users like me and you. If they make it easy for me to get rid of the noise and present it to everyone else, then it'll take off. - Robert Scoble

Why FriendFeed WON'T Go Mainstream: 1.) in the mainstream, people don't want to be THIS informed. That's probably equally good for them, and good for those of us who do want to be this informed! 2.) Steve Case subscribed, friended some people and then...didn't engage at all. He's my go-to guy for what the mainstream will eat up like ice cream. - Robert Seidman

Robert: But how does such usage translate over to the average user? Just because us mega-geeks can use FF, and more importantly we can understand it, does not mean that the average user will comprehend why it is useful to them. _Something_ needs to bridge that gap, no? - Scott Jarkoff

Last night I tried to explain FriendFeed and even Twitter to my friend the cop. While he has a Facebook profile, He Just. Didn't. Get It. The harder I tried to explain, the more he just looked at me like I just landed from Venus. - Geoff Longman

FF can't go mainstream and I said as much in my comment on your blog post, which is awaiting moderation I guess :(. Main point - I could never explain FF to any of my non techy friends...never - Jennifer Van Grove via twhirl

Alert Thingy helps with the interface 'issues'. I think it has really helped with adoption / holding onto users - John Duff via Alert Thingy

@Geoff Longman - we are from Venus! ;-) welcome to my planet! - Susan Beebe

No doubt FF will go mainstream. It must over come the too many sites back lash, but over time this is a winner. - Russellreno

@patrick I just keep it open, until Firefox crashes! - Prolific Programmer

Jason Shellen published a photo on Flickr

Blogger Stats in Blogger.com!

May 13 at 4:35 pm - Link

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Not seeing this on my dashboard- the rollout maybe slow , Thanks the the headsup :)_ - Peter Dawson

Not seeing it on my dashboard either, but it looks like it might be a suitable replacement for MyBlogLog (for me a least) - Michael Galpin via twhirl

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Do you mommy your husband? - CNN.com

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Jeremy Zawodny posted a message on Twitter

“Ballmer took his marbles and went home...”

May 3 at 7:14 pm - Link

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Jeremy works for Yahoo. If I worked at Yahoo I wouldn't look at this as a victory. - Robert Scoble

@Robert - neither would I - Steven Hodson

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well, some of us feel like this made our future at yahoo a tiny bit more secure. in theory, anyway, - edythe

edythe: that's a TOTALLY wrong feeling. Your future is FAR MORE in jeopardy now. Let's see each other in five years and see what happens, OK? - Robert Scoble

actually Robert to a point I agree with @edythe but not before Yang is tossed to the curb and the really concentrate of some of the postive things they have pushed out in an attempt to forestall MS. - Steven Hodson

I am still torn about this. I love a lot of what Yahoo does, all of which was in jeapardy, but as the CEO, Jerry Y handled this very badly. The next week will be very interesting - Deepak

but see, steve hodson, that's just it. There would not likely be a chance to do any of that if MS owned us. - edythe

yahoo may fail, but at least they're trying. it relieves me to think that what i heard from the top just before the offer wasn't bullshit. - edythe

I don't think Jerry or Steve handled this with much direction or grace. Kind of like two dance partners, neither of whom can lead but both think they should. - Kevin Fox

I work at Yahoo... I see this as a victory for the Yahoo! vision of open-ness - Dave Dash

big issue - yhoo acknowledges their ad platform is a failed effort with the GOOG deal. - Dave Hodson

Till Yahoo! makes their Engineers stay at work beyond 6 PM (thats where the free food and letting people do what they want to (20% time) comes in), things are going to remain bad. Panama was a huge distraction for more than a year (and am sure still is). Whats to happen to all the employees in Burbank (ex-Overture) (where I used to work) ?? - Sumit Chachra

who knows, Sumit? panama...sigh. - edythe

Am with Jeremy on this - MS had no bizness at Yahoo - Sean Kelly

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