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Google won't run all the Wave servers | Webware - CNET - http://news.cnet.com/8301-17...

May 29 from Bookmarklet - Comment - Like - Share

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"Google has said it will "federate" Wave. That means it will make it possible for anyone to operate their own Wave server and have it communicate with other Wave servers. This is just how e-mail works today: Anyone can run an e-mail server that can send messages to and receive messages from any other e-mail system. The Internet routes messages from server to server." - LANjackal from Bookmarklet

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But note how many people moved to centralized web based email like yahoo, gmail, etc. - Todd Hoff

I'm just curious as to how identities will be managed across different Wave servers, as well as spam (Spave, or Wam lol?) prevention - LANjackal

The key with federation is that it enables private, public and third party servers that can communicate using wave protocol. Apps on those servers may not be all-wave, but it creates autonomy that corporations and business partners will need. It's a deep, deep rethink of the Web that's been sorely needed. Email is a travesty. - John Blossom

A) Identities will be managed by OpenID identity providers. You'll store your ID with someone, potentially even your own company, but more likely with a Google, or Facebook or Yahoo -most likely someone we "all" trust to ensure that you are your own unique individual. B) John & LANJackal are correct. The wave federation principal makes it such that any and all entities can run their own... more... - guruvan (Rob Nelson)

@guruvan: Isn't all email centralized? :P I'm just saying. And yeah being the first to debut a technology is likely to get you most of the users. However, the article does point out that Wave is likely to be tough to develop for. That will need to change for widespread adoption to be the case. - LANjackal

I think it will be hard for people and companies to get to the point where they can have a client that's equal or better than Google's version of it. We do need more clients than just the Google one. - Peter Stuifzand

I'm not sure that I agree. I think there's plenty of potential client developers that could do an equal or better job. But, what I really think is that where client developers are going to succeed is in the niche products that support Wave. Google's product is likely to be good enough for nearly everyone for personal use, so I don't know that there's a big win for developers in that area, but specialized corporate wave applications and servers are likely to be a big hit. - guruvan (Rob Nelson)

@guruvan: +1 on the corporate wave apps. That is, if you have a forward looking IT department. Those are vanishingly rare - LANjackal

Still struggling to get my head around just where this can go. The possibilities are endless. - Jamie

@Jamie: I'm sure you're not the only one, lol. I'm cautiously optimistic, though I'd be really excited if Facebook deployed it atop their messaging/chat system, which is currently horribly limited. I'm from the engineering field where IT departments still use IE6, so I'm not holding my breath to see it in any office I sit in anytime soon :( - LANjackal

Jamie: unless you're a developer or running a company that's in a space that's deeply affected by this, you have plenty of time to get your head around it. Realistically it's going to be at least 18mos before we really see any of this note into corporate environments. Remember, they're still at the point of blocking social media sites, so it's going to take a fundamental shift in attitudes before they'll want to adopt all of the technologies that a wave can encompass. - guruvan (Rob Nelson) from f2p

LANJackal I don't think that this is something that facebook can deploy wave on top of their chat. What they SHOULD do is rip that crap chat out and replace it with wave - guruvan (Rob Nelson) from f2p

@guruvan: Yeah I know. It seems to me though that Facebook deliberately avoids adding advanced capabilities to some of its features to prevent users from being scared off by a steep - for non-tech people - learning curve. As a result, chat is *really* dumbed down, and so is Notes, which has glaringly lacked a WYSIWYG editor since its inception. It's rather saddening :( - LANjackal

Having just watched the wave demo video, and now more intimately understanding the full implications of the idea (and the product) - I stand by my above statements, and my blog post. Facebook needs to catch the wave or get trounced in the marketplace. In my blog I mentioned that FriendFeed is the only one of the social networks that's supremely poised to take advantage of the wave.... more... - guruvan (Rob Nelson)

@guruvan: "Facebook needs to catch the wave" ... Facebook has succeeded *despite* lacking advanced features such as WYSIWYG or proper chat formatting that other services have. Twitter has boomed despite having a featureset that could fit on the back of a business card. Don't get me wrong, Wave is great, but clearly as far as widespread adoption of a technology goes, it's not all about... more... - LANjackal

when can i get Google wave!!! - Joe Azzara

@Joe: Go to Mountain View, CA. Buy bottle of water. Douse self with said bottle ... - LANjackal

LANJackal, you're absolutely right. And I did point out somewhere, that a) Facebook has time, and B) Facebook just raised $200million. That buys them a lot, IMO. But, The fact is, that wave IS going to be easy to develop for, and it IS going to see rapid widespread adoption. (but that IS on the timeframe of 18months or so, so the above points still stand...there is time, but only if... more... - guruvan (Rob Nelson)

this article is a good clarifier. just because it's google, it doesn't mean we should expect them to do all the work and hand it down to us on a silver platter. this requires cooperation of third parties for it to happen well. they're facilitating a change across services by introducing a new protocol, api, and federation based on existing technologies. to help others grasp an... more... - sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq

I just hope Wave is going to be simple and user friendly unlike Google Friend Connect. Well, to me anyway. Most of you probably are not having the same troubles but I am having a hard time uploading those two files after downloading them to my computer. It's just giving me a blank screen. Anyone knows why that is? Please message me on Twitter: RONJeremiah thanks a lot! - RON08

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Debating the power of Google's Wave | Webware - CNET - http://news.cnet.com/8301-17...

June 14 from Bookmarklet - Comment - Like - Share

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"We've had about a week to absorb the Google's pitch for Wave, its new experimental communication platform, and about a day to try the actual early "sandbox" build of the service. See our hands-on review. But there's more to talk about with Wave. It's not just an app, it's an important evolution in the philosophy of written communication." - Kol Tregaskes from Bookmarklet

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"People will see Wave in different ways. For some, it's a clever take on e-mail. Others will see it as instant messaging with new features. Developers will look at Wave's open specs and APIs, and see a framework for new collaborative apps. But is it really any of these things, or just a crazy experiment from Google's Australian outpost?" - Kol Tregaskes

I think a potential problem could be adoption, especially for big businesses. It's a very different way of communication, so some businesses might be unwilling to try it out. - Ryan - @magicofpi

The other day, I was co-editing a document with a colleague 8 time zones away using Google Docs. We had a Skype call going and a chat window open as we discussed and coordinated / agreed on changes to the document. It was incredibly productive, we got done in 20 minutes what would have taken days using email. Wave to me, will integrate and improve on that sort of collaborative process, and I for one will be all over it! - Jeff

Guy Kawasaki

The effect of Facebook on school reunions: http://trkk.us/track/404.html

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vijay

Google Street View 1969 - http://www.loleg.com/blog...

June 14 from Bookmarklet - Comment - Like - Share

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lmao! - vijay from Bookmarklet

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:) - Jemm

Good one hehehe. It should be one Google Maps easter egg. ("1969, Abbey Rd") - ElijahBailey-Zu of FF <0,

oh that would be totally awesome Zu! :D - vijay from email

ElijahBailey-Zu of FF <0,

Star Wars Help Desk - http://www.youtube.com/watch...

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George Dearing

Real Time Blogging With FriendFeed | {i think I'm gonna blow up 1 of my blogs when I try this} - http://getanewbrowser.com/2009...

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Robert Scoble

OK, we have a Twitter fight! @codemonkeyism says friendfeed doesn't make any sense. So, come here and let's make sense of the nonsense:

June 5 - Comment - Like - Share

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First thing to realize is this is a live chat. - Robert Scoble

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And it's threaded. - Robert Scoble

And the entire chat has a permalink. It's http://ff.im/3EcXi - Robert Scoble

And in this chat you can click "like" to send it to all your friends, or just keep it for yourself for later. You can see all your likes by visiting your friendfeed home page and clicking on "likes." - Robert Scoble

Robert can get an e-mail every time I reply to one of his posts - Jesse Stay

Robert, i've tried so many times to give it a shot. I think friendfeed works best if you're Robert Scoble. otherwise, lots of other folks have followers who don't engage. all the above stuff is great if people engage. but my audience isn't ultra super cutting edge geeky. mostly business folks where Facebook and Twitter is their limit. So any suggestions on how to get folks who aren't "early adopter" minded to engage? - Christine Lu

Robert can reply to that e-mail and have it appear threaded under the post - Jesse Stay

The feed / chat feature is amazing. no need to # anything - Jeff

Jesse: shhh, we wouldn't want to see codemonkeyism get that there's some advanced features here that take some poking around to get. Wait until he sees the search engine here and how much more useful it is than Twitter's (and that's when Twitter's is working). - Robert Scoble

It works for little fish like me too - David Damore

My only beef with friend feed is I don't like the iphone client, other than that, its better. - Luke Kilpatrick

Robert, don't tell him about direct messaging either ;) - Jesse Stay

We can't let @codemonkeyism know that you can put your friends in lists, so you can manage your users much better. - Robert Scoble

The search is amazing. Looking for a date, time and place someone tweeted about... it is faster to look on F2 if their content is aggregated here. - David Damore

And there is also saved searches and groups - Brent Smorgen Bleg

Luke: why do you need a client? The page works great on my iPhone and they have both a regular version and an iPhone version. But there are clients coming. - Robert Scoble

The one thing about this site: Hate the logo, absolutely hate it. Site's alright but it's all about being where the people you want to follow/know are at. - Chris

I think friendfeed is great for conversations while twitter is awesome for status updates. Both are awesome in their own right. - sushaantu

Brent: don't tell him about private groups. Wired online and Venture Beat do their editorial meetings in private groups here. - Robert Scoble

How long until this has 100 comments? Minutes? - David Damore

sushaantu: exactly. - Robert Scoble

I'm liking FF more and more. Ugly as it be. - Lindy Asimus

David: 150 seconds. ;-) - Robert Scoble

Scoble has made it a side quest to convert every twitter follower of his into a Friend Feed member XD - Reid

Christine: I thought the same, but it's like twitter, you have to have that "aha" moment where you realizie some of the capabilities of a service..I had that about 15 minutes ago, I'm sold - John Bergoon

I wasn't going to mention the Private groups, at least not yet. - Brent Smorgen Bleg

Reid: and it's working with a lot of people, but there are still some who say it's nonsense and I make fun of them. - Robert Scoble

Reid, Scoble never makes anything a side-quest unless it makes sense. Have you considered he may have a reason? - Jesse Stay

@Scobleizer: Thanks for the update and high degree of accuracy. :D - David Damore

FF is what FF is - I love it. - Brent Smorgen Bleg

I've been playing with FF a little but it hasn't clicked yet. - Jesse P. Luna

live updating is the bomb! - Truong Nguyen

Wait until he figures out that search here can be constrained to just specific lists of people you've picked. Wouldn't it be more useful to search for, say, "quilting" among just your quilting friends? - Robert Scoble

(Hey, it worked on me -_- In fact, I'm not entirely sure I had heard of it before Scoble) - Reid

how do private groups work? - dave_blogworld

dave: you can start a group and you can make it private. - Robert Scoble

I'm still waiting for it to click... despite having believed you that you love it since we were still back in closed-beta. For me, it's still a "oh, I'd better go check over on FF for that handful of people who love it so much" - Lucretia Pruitt

Christine I see what you mean about having your followers on ff, but as a follower of Robert and other cool people I get to have a conversation with them here that I would not get to have otherwise - Jeff

Make sure not to tell them about audio and video in line. - Louis Gray

FriendFeed has become my real-time newspaper. I pick it up as I please, read what seems interesting, chat real-time about the news, and put it down as I please. - Jesse Stay

I could tell you Dave but then, well you know ... - Brent Smorgen Bleg

dave: then only people who you invite in can see it. For instance, I have a private group at http://www.friendfeed.com/2010web can you see it? If you can, I invited you in. - Robert Scoble

I love FF but why don't they put the latest activity first and not at the end. As I'm typing I keep getting put beneath the fold... - Donny Mack

Robert: I just liked the way twitterfon works on the iphone, primary reason I use twitter more than friendfeed is it doesn't work as well on mobile. They make a client that can twitpic, linkshorten with bit.ly and I will most likely not use twitter anymore. - Luke Kilpatrick

Promise not to show them how you can do multiple photos in one post. - Louis Gray

Will @codemonkeyism actually read this thread? - Amit Nangare

Louis: ssssshhhhh, next thing you'll tell them you can do photos. Oh, drat you already did! - Robert Scoble

Amit: probably not. - Robert Scoble

Please promise not to show them how to hide noisy threads, people or sources. - Louis Gray

Whatever you do, don't tell them they can e-mail you at scobleizer@friendfeed.com - Jesse Stay

haha feed stops as all check http://www.friendfeed.com/2010web - John Bergoon

@Donny Mack Type faster ;) - David Damore

er, scobleizer@friendfeed.com - Jesse Stay

Jesse: even I didn't know THAT! - Robert Scoble

Or the way you can imbed videos. - Brent Smorgen Bleg

At least it's here for good reference and the friendfeeders of the future =] - Reid

I love the functionality of FriendFeed, but I'll probably never really use it. I agree with Chris that it's about being where your friends are at. Twitter is sufficient for most of them, so that's where I'll be. - Jamie

interesting! the private group feature is really important for businesses - dave_blogworld

@Daavid Damore thanks :) - Donny Mack

And it works awesome with Chrome - Brent Smorgen Bleg

Robert, it goes straight to your DM box. You can also post anything to share@friendfeed.com to go to your public stream. - Jesse Stay

(is on chrome) - Reid

Jamie: which is why I talk about friendfeed all the time. As soon as all my friends are here, my job will be done. So far I have 40,000 here. - Robert Scoble

Very pleased - Reid

Thanks Robert, I actually found out a lot more features due to this thread... go FF - Amit Nangare

haha, as did I - Reid

LOL. Slowly you will win us over. If so, then kudos. :) - Jamie

Yes indeed go FF - Brent Smorgen Bleg

Wait until he figures out you can search just YouTube videos here (or just Tweets or Tweets AND YouTube videos). - Robert Scoble

Don't tell anybody about the search engine that actually can go back months and months and sort by likes or people, unlike the very broken Twitter search. - Louis Gray

I have no need for TwitPic with FriendFeed - Jesse Stay

Or for Ferrari or Porsche - Brent Smorgen Bleg

Wait until he figures out that he can hide all Tweets except for those that have a comment or a like. That's how I hide his noise! - Robert Scoble

Luke, Robert. There's a developer with a mobile client in the works. Try it here: http://dev.ctor.org/f2p/ - Micah Wittman

Don't tell them that there is no fail whale. - Louis Gray

And you can still tie into Twitter if you must - Brent Smorgen Bleg

Is this conversation threaded? If so, how can I tell which replies belong to which post? - Jim Lecter

Louis: I can actually find Chinese Earthquake Tweets here (you can't find them on Search.Twitter.com because that engine didn't index that long ago). - Robert Scoble

@Scobleizer: Perhaps it is time for SOMEONE to watch your tutorial videos. - David Damore

If this were a conversation in Twitter, then I could link to an individual comment/status. Can you not do that in here? - Jamie

Blasphemy Louis! What you say is not possible? (really?) - Reid

Robert I thought you would be in line to get a Palm Pre tonight - Jeff

Jim: only a single thread. These all belong to the top level items. - Robert Scoble

Don't tell him the API is much more scalable than Twitter's - Jesse Stay

Good thing its not in real time - Brent Smorgen Bleg

Jeff: unfortunately I'm in Virginia and need to get to the airport in an hour or so. - Robert Scoble

(is the search on here that sexy?) - Reid

Very sexy - Brent Smorgen Bleg

Reid: yes, you want a demonstration of some of the power of friendfeed search? - Robert Scoble

What airport are you at @Scobleizer? - David Damore

I like sexy - Reid

John Bergoon, welcome aboard :) - Micah Wittman

A sexy demonstration? - Reid

Imust have 30 saved searches just waiting for me - Brent Smorgen Bleg

David: I'll be at Dulles at 5:30 a.m. (it's 2:53 a.m. right now). - Robert Scoble

Robert: I look forward to your review - Jeff

IAD: Know it well - David Damore

Was in Silicon Valley East for a few years - David Damore

Here's a sexy demonstration. Only two items on friendfeed have had the words "sexy demonstration" used in them: http://friendfeed.com/search... - Robert Scoble

Damn Robert hell of a schedule - Brent Smorgen Bleg

anyone mention inline Audio like Podcasts - Gary Gannon

Very sexy indeed XD - Reid

Micah: Thanks, I'm sitting here thinking how I can start getting my friends to move over..there always giving me a hard time for jumping to the "next" thing :) - John Bergoon

Gary thats a secret - Brent Smorgen Bleg

damn :-) - Gary Gannon

http://friendfeed.com/search... now you'll only see items that say "sexy demonstration" that were started by me. - Robert Scoble

Now we can't just have any body coming over her to FF they have to pass a test first - Brent Smorgen Bleg

@Sanat - Trending topics are personalized to you rather than the whole world - try best of the day http://friendfeed.com/summary... - Atul Arora

Its a very complicated test - Brent Smorgen Bleg

And it is late at night in most places - David Damore

If you only use twitter maybe FF does not have a lot of value, but if you blog, use 12sec, youtube, vimeo, basically anything social media it is awesome to have all your stuff in 1 place. - Jeff

I like Friendfeed because I can take one thread of conversation and share it with another group of friends to start another conversation. http://ff.im/3EdWm - John Serra

It involves adding the values of one plus one - Brent Smorgen Bleg

Well over 100 comments already - David Damore

John Serra: True that's a huge feature - John Bergoon

Sanat: friendfeed can display stuff like trending topics. We call it "best of day" here. But even better, you can build your own customized trending topics. I can do trending topics by lists of people (by displaying only things that have gotten lots of likes). Plus our trends HAVE NO SPAM. Twitter's search engine is full of spam. - Robert Scoble

XD in what? 10 minutes? (Very pro randomness going on here at FF) - Reid

John Bergoon, let them know that everybody jumps, and that you just don't like looking in the rear view mirror :) - Micah Wittman

Try that with Twitter (100 Comments) - Brent Smorgen Bleg

Sanat - you can also try ffholic.com but that is not run by FriendFeed folks but by a third party and it gives trending topics across friendfeed and lots of other interesting stats. - Atul Arora

F2 is also good if friends post cool content on those other sites... you visit one place to see all their content aggregated to one place - David Damore

And you can Block fools out of your life here as well - Brent Smorgen Bleg

Which is something else we shouldn't tell that guy. Here we have decentralized moderation. For instance, if a spammer shows up here I can delete the comment. Then I can report him as a spammer. Then I can block him which removes him EVERYWHERE (on Twitter blocking doesn't remove that person from search). - Robert Scoble

Ah yes, the all powerful BLOCK function - David Damore

And I can't tell you about the other goodies that FF has to offer - Brent Smorgen Bleg

I think it was Leo Laporte's definition of Twitter as the online Dial Tone. IMO FriendFeed is far from that, it's broadband conversation set with rich content, way more powerful. - Majento

In 20 minutes or so everyone in here will be gone and if you missed the interaction, then adding another comment doesn't seem to have much value because who is going to see it (unless you come back in and look at this thread). Whereas with Twitter, commenting later is ok, is just as visible, and is still relevant. Am I off base? - Jamie

Twitter is a CB Radio. FriendFeed is color television with satellite. - Louis Gray

Problem is you need another account. Too many plugs in the socket. Facebook and twitter cover 99 of ave non geek people - The Dude Abides

And we don't have groups of real people meeting each other either - Brent Smorgen Bleg

Jamie: if you commented on this thread it will be at the top of "My discussions" if you come back later. - Robert Scoble

Thats right Loius - Brent Smorgen Bleg

Sanat Gersappa, I've found the sharing/re-sharing of the main group I'm subscribed to gives me the pulse of what's going sufficiently. In twitter-style trending topics serve a purpose, but they aren't tuned to my interest, whereas on FF they effectively are. - Micah Wittman

and this thread will be around like forever almost - Brent Smorgen Bleg

Louis I was thinking more of FriendFeed is a cell phone, and twitter is a land line - John Bergoon

If this were actually a fight, Twitter would have had no friends to pick him back up after the beating... - Reid

Shh, you can click on the time stamp here and it'll open up a separate window of just this thread. Click THAT time stamp again and it'll open up a smaller window which is perfect to participate in these real time sessions. - Robert Scoble

Robert: Interesting, thanks. - Jamie

You can also store links for reading on FF just like a bookmarking service. - Amit Nangare

Robert how many student from the leadership class are now on friendfeed? - Jeff

And no one here is interested in Photography or cooking - Brent Smorgen Bleg

Robert: wow...timestamp click.....Epic win - John Bergoon

Brent: it will be around forever. Oh, shhhh, another thing, friendfeed trends higher in Google due to all the additional metadata that we're putting in each item here. Oh, and the founders were superstars at Google, so they know a thing or two about search. - Robert Scoble

i was tabbing around like crazy - John Bergoon

Jeff: I don't know. I hope a few, especially after they saw the demonstration Thursday. - Robert Scoble

it's crazzy - kang

And there is some what amazing customer service as well - Brent Smorgen Bleg

OMG I didn't know that one.. Thanks Robert for the second click on the timestamp.. - John Serra

What do you have to do to get conversations to "cascade" out to other parts of FF? On Twitter there is the retweet. How does that work here? - Jesse P. Luna

What is the "time stamp"? - David Damore

But that also is a secret - Brent Smorgen Bleg

This is starting to sound like, dare I say it, a "platform" Soon there will be Lynda titles about FriendFeed tutorials - Stephen Pickering

Thanks Robert, this has been educational and quite entertaining =] ( @Sanat: same here ) - Bed time, night all =] - Reid

You do a like its like a retweet - Brent Smorgen Bleg

Heheh http://twitter.com/codemon... isn't getting a clue. Please Tweet that he's being a jerk by not coming over here and sticking up for Twitter. - Robert Scoble

But it very complicated process to like some thing - Brent Smorgen Bleg

I think FF users are getting caught up craving comments like followers on twitter...its like a game and if they dont get comments they get discouraged...the issue is probably that your thread doesnt engage very well...I learned that this week when I posted this http://friendfeed.com/garygan... - Gary Gannon

like is easier than twitter and useful - kang

David: underneath the headline that started this thread is a date stamp. - Robert Scoble

Book: Friendfeed For Dummies [Fall 2009] ;) - David Damore

How do you report Spammers here? - Stephen Pickering

David: right now it says "18 minutes ago" (click on it and you'll see a new window pop up in your browser). - Robert Scoble

I've tried FF, really I've tried, but I keep giving up and sticking with Twitter. I'll let this thread give me guidance for one more try. - Don McAllister

But once you have your name you can't chnage it much - Brent Smorgen Bleg

hey @codekomkeyism it makes a lot of sense! What do you say! - Ahmet Alp Balkan

David: Right now it's not very obvious that its a link - Amit Nangare

@Scobleizer: Ahhhhhhhh Thank you - David Damore

Report friendfeed spam: http://friendfeed.com/friendf... - Robert Scoble

and gee no damn 140 character limit on your posts, you can actually say some thing if you want - Brent Smorgen Bleg

Don, all other things aside, just look how smoothly it works. On twitter I always wait for pages to load, for tweets to load - Stephen Pickering

may be we should ask FF developers to skin it as a link - Amit Nangare

Ah, thanks - Stephen Pickering

LIve updating is pretty slick! - Don McAllister

You dare not bother FF developers, lest they respond to your needs and help you out - Brent Smorgen Bleg

Don , you think so- - Brent Smorgen Bleg

And don't tell anyone that some power users enjoy some customizations provided by a passionate ff user script community http://img.skitch.com/2009060... - Micah Wittman

Brent: ssshhhh, that's another secret. Friendfeed's founders actually participate here and answer questions. Twitter's founders? Yeah, right. - Robert Scoble

sorry Robert - Brent Smorgen Bleg

seems like they are running out of steam - Brent Smorgen Bleg

That was fun - Brent Smorgen Bleg

Brent: Twitter? No way. Here in Virginia I've heard about Twitter on all the mainstream media I've turned on. - Robert Scoble

I meant on this stream - Brent Smorgen Bleg

good to hear that Wired and Venturebeat are using the private room function - another small addition to the credibility of FriendFeed... - Jeroen De Miranda

Ok, this has been very helpful in learning some of the values of Friendfeed. Definitely has some things Twitter doesn't. But I think the main thing I have learned is that I don't have time for FriendFeed. :) I can keep up with friends much quicker on Twitter - not as rich of information, but that doesn't matter because on Twitter they are (ideally) being more selective in what they post... more... - Jamie

Can you imagine the power of this thing if 200 million people were on it! - Stephen Pickering

Brent: yeah, after 190 comments it's hard to say anything else. Heheh. - Robert Scoble

Still think you need a manual to figure FriendFeed out. I'm not slamming the service. I get that it has a lot to offer ...if you're an early adopting Scoble loving geek (which I tend to be). So again, friendfeed is great for folks who want to talk to Robert Scoble. That's not a sustainable business model unless someone can tell me how it's going to be adopted by non-early adopters the... more... - Christine Lu

Did we just set a new record or sumpin? - Brent Smorgen Bleg

and I have been back here maybe a month and your point is? - Brent Smorgen Bleg

Christine: we had the exact same conversations about Twitter two years ago. Remember, Twitter is two years older than friendfeed is. I got to 40,000 followers here MUCH faster than I did on Twitter. - Robert Scoble

Christine, plus, its DEFINITELY not more confusing than Facebook - Stephen Pickering

I have over 200 Followers in less than a month - Brent Smorgen Bleg

Brent: not even close. Here are all the threads with more than 1,000 comments: http://friendfeed.com/search... - Robert Scoble

Face book - :P - Brent Smorgen Bleg

Oh thats right, but I was going to keep that a secret - Brent Smorgen Bleg

Christine: Stephen is right. The argument that Twitter is getting adoption because it's simple is bullshit. Twitter only has 30 million people. Facebook, which is far more complex than either friendfeed or Twitter, has 225 million on it. - Robert Scoble

Christine, finding posts on China that have at least 1 Like: http://friendfeed.com/search... - Micah Wittman

Christine: I see what your saying, Social media in general is a young thing. Its gonna take a while for any of it to really catch on mainstream. I know alot of people who still think that twitter is lame...facebook is what 4 years old now and it's just starting to got really mainstream...but it's going to end up like myspace I think - John Bergoon

Christine Lu There are plenty of conversations that Robert Scoble does not even hear about.. Not even in English... - John Serra

Yeah there is such a learning curve at FF - NOT - Brent Smorgen Bleg

John: that's absolutely true. There's more than a hundred thousand people on friendfeed that don't speak English. - Robert Scoble

Christine, or on China with a conversation (2 or more comments): http://friendfeed.com/search... - Micah Wittman

It's like advertising, Olgivy had a famous saying, the first time you see an add you say, "What is this crap!!?" The ninth time you see the add your writing out a check for the product - Stephen Pickering

And no one helps one another here at all - Brent Smorgen Bleg

Robert -- didn't say people were on Twitter b/c it was simple. heck, most China business and non-tech folks in my areas are still not on Twitter. LOL. Just sayin' Friendfeed isn't for everyone yet. Otherwise i wouldn't feel like i'm talking to myself when i post something on my FF account. LOL. - Christine Lu

Well, They both make sense to me. Here's why! Twitter is nice if you want to tell your followers or friends what's on your mind, while FriendFeed is nice for conversations and there is no word limit. While FriendFeed is more for RSS (at times.) - Patrick from twhirl

Brent: yeah, really, that reminds me of one of my favorite groups here, where people are teaching themselves to do saved searches (aka filters): http://friendfeed.com/ffss - Robert Scoble

Well there is a limit on the length of a post , but then, oh my god, you start anther comment - Brent Smorgen Bleg

Christine: I hope friendfeed isn't for everyone. If it were we'd see lame people, assholes, spammers, and other unfriendly types here. It's fine with me if those types stay on Twitter. Twitter isn't going away. Twitter isn't killing Facebook. Friendfeed won't kill Twitter. - Robert Scoble

Christine, when I first joined Twitter I felt like I was talking to myself. During one iteration I actually used it as a a to do list of sorts. Just SMS things into it that I needed to do@ - Stephen Pickering

Thanks for the session, folks. Very informative. - Jamie

Stephen: some day I'm going to try to make a list of all the people who told me that Twitter was the lamest thing they ever saw (in the early days that happened multiple times a day). - Robert Scoble

There is a large percentage of FF topics that start at twitter - Brent Smorgen Bleg

Christine, "Social Media" in non-tech places (classroom, business, organization): http://friendfeed.com/search... - Micah Wittman

stephen: I did the same thing haha twitter = to do list...Twitter as well as FF, I believe, is really only as good as the people you follow and follow you...is that correct? - John Bergoon

I still talk to myself on Twitter. I guess i'll start on FF and give it another try. It's like LinkedIn for me. I keep going back and trying it and losing interest within a day. I'm going to Tokyo, Beijing and Shanghai on geeks on a plane and asking folks in each city if they use FriendFeed. :D Wonder what the answer will be. hmm... - Christine Lu

And you notice if you make a mistake posting your stuck, you can't edit at all or delete a post - Brent Smorgen Bleg

Christine, it all depends on who is in your circle - Brent Smorgen Bleg

Brent: that's a good point. On friendfeed you can edit your tweets, even, to make them more accurate (or, even, to take advantage of the fact that you have more than 140 characters here). - Robert Scoble

I've used FF like 5 times now, twice to join in on epic threads like this one, and the other times clicking around trying to figure out what to do. This thread is helping on the "what" part, just got to invest the time to figure the "how". - Jesse P. Luna

Robert, that's so true. I was only there in the early days because I was listening to Leo's show and your blog, but I remember not thinking much of it for that first year - Stephen Pickering

@Brent, I think you can if you use the website there is a edit button after you post. - Patrick from twhirl

Oh, and I love how when Tweets come in here that @scobleizer turns into a link and how when I use a URL shortener the original URL gets displayed here and if it points to a video or photo that is part of the Tweet too. - Robert Scoble

Robert: but the Power Twitter greasemonkey script does all that :P - John Bergoon

Brent, there are limits to comment length, etc, but they are probably higher than you think (than most people realize): Kol did some great geeky research here: http://friendfeed.com/friendf... - Micah Wittman

BTW Christine, folks may not respond to you on Twitter every single time but we listen. Felt as if I was in Hawaii all week. :) - Jesse P. Luna

Cool, Micah - Brent Smorgen Bleg

Epic thread Robert, gotta run. - Jesse P. Luna

Well, this was fun, but gotta run too. Thanks Jesse! - Robert Scoble

Jesse Luna, stick with it, the richness in conversation and resources is big. - Micah Wittman

yeah I'm out it's 330 here...thanks Robert.. - John Bergoon

Good night folks.... or should i say Good morning.... :) - Amit Nangare

For Greasemonkey (Firefox) / Greasekit (Safari) inclined, and for the ff scripts (of mine) I alluded to: http://userscripts.org/users... - hope it helps someone :) - Micah Wittman

Micah: just installed your botom comment link button and already had your hover reveal installed....small interweb :) thanks - John Bergoon

Ah, always something new to discover. It makes the ff community a great place. Glad you like them, John. Thanks for letting me know =) - Micah Wittman

There is one major reason not to be on FF. It's an addictive time-waster. On the other hand, as an addictive time-waster it has more value than playing scrabble or poker on Facebook or reading a stream of mindless status messages on Twitter. - howard shippin

I have 16,000 followers on Twitter, yet find more valuable information and better conversations on FriendFeed, where far fewer people subscribe to my feed. I use FriendFeed far more than Twitter too. I LOVE FriendFeed - I LIKE Twitter. - Jim Connolly

Jim, you can RT twitter, but you can't Like twitter (on twitter) ;) - Micah Wittman

Micah: :) That was funny!! - Jim Connolly

The funniest stuff is just the speaking the truth. In a funny way =) - Micah Wittman

I love Robert (in an appreciative way). He has two sizable conversations going on at the same time! Amazing - Michael Fidler

The only way I could make sense of FF was when I found imaginary friends. By creating new feeds from RSS or other sources it makes FF much more powerful. Can't link to facebook friends though....I think it's a privacy thing correct? - Carey Lumeng

This thread is exactly why I don't like Friend Feed. I barely have time to keep up with Twitter -- I like the brevity Twitter enforces. Every time I come to Friend Feed I think of the old days of usenet and how much time it demanded if you wanted to keep up to date. - Pete Smith

For instance, I absolutely *did not* take the time to read this whole thread. - Pete Smith

Niether did I. But Freindfeed makes alotta sense....... - Roberto Bonini

I also don't really think FriendFeed makes sense haha - Hen Asraf

I would love it if Twitter users would at least sign up on FriendFeed and load their Twitter and Delicious accounts. They don't even have to use FF after that, but at least they've claimed their handles and it saves me from creating a bunch of FF imaginary friends. - Joel Zehring

@Joel I second that ... Having my twitter feed trickle into FF through an RSS and a few imaginary friends really sucks ... - Tom Horn

Do we really want Oprah in here though? - JonInteractive

no! LOL - Susan Beebe

Pete: you just found another advantage: friendfeed filters out lazy people who don't want to learn something new. That alone explains why the community here is so interesting. - Robert Scoble

aren't most people lazy though? which really means most people probably shouldn't be on friendfeed. which also implies arguing over its merits is a bit of a waste of time - if you like it, use it and enjoy, but why bother trying to "convert" everyone? - Jeremy Toeman

Biggest problem with friendfeed is that on the signup page there are no videos, no how-to's, nothing. At least not that I could find. - Greg DeVore

I just followed 258 comments. On Twitter that would be impossible. - Sgt Ret

The implication that if a person choses not to read 258 comments on the merits of FriendFeed it means they are lazy is ridiculous. Life is finite. Information is infinite. We all constantly have to select what we feel will enrich our lives, given the short time we're alive. - Pete Smith

Boy! This conversation sure has grown overnight! Like Sgt Ret said, this would be impossible to follow on Twitter. - Ange Recchia/angesbiz

Instead of wondering if friendfeed makes any sense, I'm wondering if friendfeed makes any noise. Plays any sounds, that is. - Chuck Baggett

This discussion has 264 comments, and 'auto-promote' itself. This is simply impossible to follow in Twitter. FriendFeed does make sense! Even if it's different from Twitter. - Thierry R. Andriamirado

I've had FF for about a year or more,haven't used it as much until recently,when I found I was getting followers, it is gre8 for aggregating all of your social networks together & sharing them on twitter in one stop/step.I don't get the commentary as much as I do on twitter,but it's still a gr8 resource,feel free to follow me &share comments,etc ☺(see bio to learn more abt me) - Patty from twhirl

Chuck: audio files such as podcasts are supported with embedded friendfeed player =) - Mike Chelen

Robert Scoble

I'm making a list of hundreds of people. In checking that list on Facebook I learned 10% or so don't put their email address there. Why?

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Because they don't understand their privacy controls can protect them from the wrong people getting it - Jesse Stay

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Facebook is AWESOME as a rolodex. But some refuse to put their email address in there. Why? Facebook has made it pretty hard to get your data out of there (I have to manually retype addresses into other systems like Gmail or Outlook) and because you have control of who sees your stuff anyway, it seems pretty lame not to put your contact info in there. - Robert Scoble

Because they are brought up in tradition that displaying your e-mail address on the web is "a bad thing" - Jesse Stay

I'm paranoid, so I don't. - Danny Minick

Probably the same group of people that does not put their picture up on facebook and hence have a book without a face? - Peter Simoons

Jesse: yeah, and these are all early adopters/influencer/entrepreneur types. Even some journalists (how do you guys get story leads, anyway?) - Robert Scoble

Maybe because they think that Facebook's private inbox is enough as a first interaction. - Nir Ben Yona

Danny paranoid about what? - Jesse Stay

Aren't e-mail addresses on Facebook obsfucated in that they are done as images? - Alx Klive

Peter: nah, most of my friends put their picture in there. - Robert Scoble

I'm surprised you found that many (90% show their email to friends on FB). It's a skew in your sample. But you're right, people shouldn't be concerned about it. - Kevin Werbach

My email getting into the wrong hands. - Danny Minick

Alx, yes, they're images, and protected by privacy settings - Jesse Stay

Danny so you think people can steal your e-mail by having your e-mail address? - Jesse Stay

Facebook doesn't teach it's users anything. If they taught them just a tiny bit about the privacy settings people would be so much more comfortable. - Shawn Hickman

People don't understand the system, and assume that their email address can get out if they put it up. - Adam Pilbeam

No i'm preventing more spam email. I have plenty as it is. - Danny Minick

Danny: my email has been on my blog for years. I don't get much spam. - Robert Scoble

Danny, who is going to get your e-mail address? Only your friends can see it, and it's an image, not text - Jesse Stay

Danny, or, better yet, gmail filters it all out for me. - Robert Scoble

And what Robert said - my e-mail address is up, with a link and plain text on my blog as well. I don't get much spam either. - Jesse Stay

Doesn't matter. I don't want them to have my email address. - Danny Minick

Remember that the group of people who join Facebook is not the same as the people who join, say, FriendFeed. For example, I found one senior citizen in my list of Facebook suggested friends; this is a person who would never join Twitter or FriendFeed, but for some reason had decided to join Facebook. (The person joined Facebook at the urging of a Tea Party organizer; perhaps that puts... more... - John E. Bredehoft

The idea that if you display your e-mail address on your blog you get spam is a complete myth - Jesse Stay

Danny your paranoia sounds pretty unfounded then - Jesse Stay

John: my list only includes tech industry people. So I'm sure the number of people who put emails on Facebook among general population is lower. - Robert Scoble

You understand this Robert. "Hmm email; that is the sort of thing you'd use to send a thank you letter ... to your friend's ... parents" ... Oh and SPAM ! - John W Lewis

I don't care how it sounds. No one is going to convince me otherwise. :/ - Danny Minick

Danny must love getting Facebook messages. But because I don't have his email he can't get invited to whatever I'm sending invites out about. ;-) - Robert Scoble

I get more spam on Facebook mail than I do my own e-mail - Jesse Stay

Robert I won't get invites anyway because I can't be your friend on Facebook :-( - Jesse Stay

Paranoids abound. - Grayson Daughters

Robert I need to add you to Facebook before even that. LOL - Danny Minick

Jesse: I know where to find you! ;-) - Robert Scoble

Robert, that's why I put my e-mail address on my blog :-) - Jesse Stay

Might assume too, that FB gets used for closer knit groups that may already have email addresses shared amongst themselves, at least in a lot of cases...but with so many privacy customizations available, there's no excuse not to have the info up there, and release it to whom you will. - Adam Pilbeam

What's the list for Robert? - Alx Klive

@Scobleizer is really Santa. It's true. - Enrique Gutierrez

Robert, if you're giving invites to Google Wave, i'm willing to put my email address on SF Golden Gate Bridge. - Nir Ben Yona

I'm not sure Danny's position is "paranoia." I have a number of friends with years of Tech experience in Silicon Valley who are very protective of any sort of personal information. They're as well-informed as anyone about the benefits and potential problems, yet they perceive their personal information as something they *give* to selected individuals, not something that's published. If... more... - Glen Mistletoe

If I get one more anti-Obama chain email forwarded to me by my numerous redneck relations (all they can do is dig ditches and forward emails from wingnut droolers at this point in the evolutionary chain) I'm taking my email off FB too! - Grayson Daughters

It is likely that people tend to join the first service that their friends suggest to them, and then stick with it until the need to switch becomes obvious. I started on CompuServe !! and then discovered that there was a thing called (Internet) email. - John W Lewis

Grayson I get more of that on Facebook than off :-) - Jesse Stay

Glen hit the nail on the head. He is absolutely right. A handful of people have my email address, everyone else gets contact.dannyminick@gmail.com, which is my public account. - Danny Minick

Danny, so why not put that on your Facebook profile? - Jesse Stay

....Good point, Jesse. LMAO (goes to login to facebook) - Danny Minick

Robert's making a list, he's checking it twice. He's gonna find out who's naughty or nice... - David Owens

Robert: In Feb there was this post on All Facebook http://www.allfacebook.com/2009... I know lots of folk around here spoke about limiting contact info to just close contacts after this - Peter du Toit (S.Africa)

Robert seems to have (inadvertently?) started a mini research project on use cases for the adoption of Internet communication services. - John W Lewis

Peter, I control that, too, but I always want to provide some way for people to contact me - Jesse Stay

Alx Klive: Our Building43 launch event. Unfortunately I only have space for about 150 people, so I'm forced into a bit of elitism. Sigh. - Robert Scoble

Because some of the people I know on facebook are num-nuts - Asgeir

1. Paranoia 2. Spam 3. Ignorance ... Did I miss any other reasons? - Happy

A lot of people that follow you, Robert, are early adopters and technical types and yet still the FB privacy seems a mystery to some. Sound like it needs fixing to me. - Scott Kingery

Jess have to agree not being able to contact someone easily can be rather frustrating - Peter du Toit (S.Africa)

Scoble's making a list, checking it twice, gonna find out that 10% are naughty not nice. - Davis Freeberg

Based on the comments here, unless I am mistaken, everyone is making the same assumption: that these people use email. Although probably much less true of Robert's intended invitees, many Gen Z's (or the iGeneration or whatever) use Facebook, MSN, (Skype?), etc., but not email. - John W Lewis

@Davis Nice one - Asgeir

I think Facebook is considered nowadays like YouTube before. For serious messaging people use Twitter, Skype or PM like the one I use on http://www.cagora.ws - Marc Plancke

People fear spam - Louis Gray

People fear what they don't understand - Shawn Hickman

Yeah, I am also 'old school' about privacy, posting e-mail addy, etc. Very out of touch am I :-)! - JimmyJet

<Our Building43 launch event.> Please post video and narrative for the non-150 crowd, tks. - JimmyJet

I for one think it is the spam. I have not seen 1 filter set that effectively clears my spam problem completely and consistently. Even on FB I use a throwaway email that I screen for valid emails from FB. Anything valid gets forwarded to my real mailbox. Complicated, I know, but it has been effective on reducing my spam level from all the websites that I have accounts on. - Manuel Arroyo

*sing* You're making a list? Did you check it twice? Gonna find out who's noisy or nice.. Santa Scoble is coming.. to town. ;) - Daynah

It's a privacy thing Robert. You wouldn't put your phone number on your blog now, would you? ;-) - Patrick Mackaaij

FB profile = family and friends FB Pages = Spaceship Earth and low flying planets. My question is why do you need to put your email on Facebook? And why do you ask Robert? Do you feel strongly that people should? Dean - Deano @ Byron New Media

Byron: If you want to be invited to my fun parties you've gotta make yourself easy to get ahold of! So, yes, I feel strongly that people should put their email addresses on their Facebook profiles. I do, and I put my cell phone there too, and it's led to some great experiences over the years. - Robert Scoble

Until I figure out my spam issues, I really need to think about giving out email addresses in only on my own website and blog. Even with that, I wonder why I am getting so much spam still, :( - polou/indigo_bow

polou: it doesn't matter how public or private you are, you still get about the same amount of spam. I just use Gmail and it does a pretty good job of filtering most of it out. - Robert Scoble

Have had no problems with spam since switching to all Gmail. I didn't originally put email address on FaceBook for privacy reasons but that seems a little ridiculous in retrospect since that's obviously the last thing on my mind by being online in the first place. - Mike Elliott

If you're worried about spam, set up an OtherInbox account. Perhaps my most useful app. I have NOTHING to do with them, but I really swear by their product. - Mark Edwards

I'm afraid of spammers and identity theft. I signed up for Crederity to verify my digital credentials and to stand apart from fake users. http://www.crederity.com - Michael_techie

If I list my email on there, I get spammed with crap I dont want or need. - krystyl

Liked sum of the recommends here, therefore should try some of the new implementations, which I haven't done. I think the phone thing, ah, not there yet. Lets get the handle of email first. - polou/indigo_bow

bc emails are starting to be OUT. Twitter IN. Maybe Wave will be IN too in 201x... - N.G. Gordon - RadarSync

Robert Scoble

What's Facebook's secret sauce? I saw this on a whiteboard at Facebook's new headquarters:

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Lots more photos here: http://www.facebook.com/album... - Robert Scoble

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The use of 2 lines in their $? - Jesse Stay

I thought this was funny. I saw this on a whiteboard at Facebook's new headquarters (really nice offices, by the way). Some other things: - Robert Scoble

They hired the chef away from Google. The food was awesome. If you get a chance to have lunch at Facebook's cafeteria, take it! - Robert Scoble

Impressive how I can see the stuff that's erased behind the secret sauce. I wonder what THAT is. - Brian Daniel Eisenberg

Almost all the offices were open plan (no walls, sit at a desk). It reminded me a little of Zappos, but without the wildness. They need a little more craziness there, but it's fun that people were riding these cool two-wheeled skateboards around (called Wave boards). Never seen that at any other corporate headquarters. - Robert Scoble

The "Mega Mustard Man" above is a sign on one of their conference rooms, most of which have funky names. - Robert Scoble

What was the purpose of your visit Robert (if you don't mind my asking)? - Brian Daniel Eisenberg

They had very cool graffitti that was painted on the walls in the old headquarters. Only a few pieces of that survive, now framed and put on the walls. - Robert Scoble

funny - good image for someone like Seth Gordon to use in a presentation sometime :) - Oded

Brian: I was there to do several interviews for http://www.building43.com , which opens June 11. - Robert Scoble

excellent! can't wait to see what you have in store for us. - Brian Daniel Eisenberg

How long has facebook been in this HQ? - Luke Kilpatrick

Brian: it was an awesome day. I was supposed to only have a couple of minutes with Zuckerberg and he stuck around four four questions. - Robert Scoble

Luke: just about a week or so. Not very long. - Robert Scoble

excellent. did you ask him if they figured out that thing we were talking about a while back? let's call it beacon v.next aka the veritable gold mine... *sigh* - Brian Daniel Eisenberg

Very interesting you shared all the photos on Facebook. Wasn't expecting that, Robert, but maybe I should have. - Louis Gray

More videos and photos from Facebook here: http://blog.facebook.com/blog... - Robert Scoble

Looking forward to June 11th, should be some great content coming to building 43! - Luke Kilpatrick

Robert, was there an announcement in the descriptions of those photos? Or am I slow at catching a certain date? - Jesse Stay

Louis: one of the interviews was with the Facebook Pages team and they taught me how to make a cool page. Uploading photos was one of the tricks they taught me. Please become a fan of mine at http://www.facebook.com/scoblei... - Robert Scoble

Just saw you posted it above too - is that an announcement? :) - Jesse Stay

Jesse: yes, but it's been out in public before. - Robert Scoble

Did they say anything about ever allowing you to merge your private and public profiles? I'd like to be able to make my private profile public if I want, and have more friends than the 5k limit as well. - Jesse Stay

looks good :P - Zafarali

looks tasty - Zafarali

I would love to have the opportuniy to visit Facebook or Google, or even my Mecca....Apple. These campasses sound amazing - Michael Jones

Ripstik is what they ride around. You can see what it's like here: http://www.facebook.com/video... - Robert Scoble

The offices had a LOT more activity today when I visited than in this video. - Robert Scoble

I'm trying to figure out if I should go ahead and try and do a serious push for all my Facebook friends to go over to my Facebook Page. Or if Facebook is going to let me interact between the two and make it easy to port friends from one to another I'd rather wait. - Jesse Stay

I also like that the photos I got of Mark Zuckerberg, founder and CEO, were in front of a Swiss flag. There's a bit of metaphor there because Zuckerberg is trying to push Facebook to be much more open. - Robert Scoble

Jesse: they said there are more features coming, but wouldn't tell me what they are. - Robert Scoble

Robert, I wish I could get that out of them - I have tons of people asking, local news and media people out here. They're getting frustrated as well. - Jesse Stay

Vanity URL too - any idea when they're open to the public? - David Owens

Secret Sauce = FriendFeed ;) - Nicholas James

what's the average age of facebook employees? 21? - Davide D'Incau

Davide: it's pretty low, but I'm not sure what the actual age is. Zuckerberg is 25. - Robert Scoble

Robert - Thanks for sharing this! - Jim Connolly

BTW, that almost looks like code for some sort of book indexing code - are they going to get into the book business? Going against Amazon??? - Jesse Stay

Robert Scoble, The Spymaster ;) - Jacque

r u sure ur allowed to post this? is mark zuckerberg going to come to ur house and delete all ur files now? lol! - Jason Pollock

Robert: is there a way to link your accounts - scobelizer and your more "private page" [old account]? I can imagine it would be a bit of a pain to duplicate content across both. - Angus Burton

Jason: don't ask, don't tell. ;-) I was pretty sure that this wouldn't disclose anything actually secret. Plus PR was standing next to me when I shot the picture. - Robert Scoble

I put everything (email addys, socmed sites, blog, etc.) on my axon.tel page and then put axon.tel on everything else. I think this TLD will be invaluable as a personal brand hub. But I'm a net.slut so what do I know? Anyone who hasn't figured out how to use spam filters isn't someone whose email address I need. --Ax - Alan Chamberlain

Threepwood

How many movies can you pick?

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I got 10 of these... - martha

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i recognize 16 of them - Carlos Ayala

13 - Shevonne

How many movies do we count for David Lynch, Silent Bob, and Pee Wee Herman? - Ken Sheppardson

Wow, 5, especially including that 'lady' on the left from.. who that was already? Those films were crazy... John Waters right? Polyester and that filthy movie with slaves in the basement. (wow, that brings back some weird stuff) - ElijahBailey-Zu of FF <0,

Almost all of them. 16. Who's the long-faced guy above Chunk? - Rob Haas

@Zu_ElijahBailey, Im pretty sure that the lovely lady on the left is Devine, who had a memorable role in the first 'scratch & sniff' movie Polyester. I think (not sure) he/she may have passed away. - Threepwood

Dan Hsiao

New Super Mario Wii Preview - http://wii.ign.com/article...

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I am so looking forward to this!!! - Dan Hsiao from Bookmarklet

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Sweet! Wii ++ - Ross Miller

Must get now... ( I would wait in line for this before the Palm Pre. :) ) - Louis Gray

I'm more excited for this one than Galaxy 2. I miss the old side-scrolling mario! And co-op mode now?! Hellz yeah. - Jon, the Beartato of FF

In love!!! Want to be Mario Penguin!!! - Rachel Lea Fox

Ah... a Mario platformer, just what the doctor ordered. +1 - Michael Jones

Thirty Day Challenge: John Atchue

just signed up for the 30DC Plus, pretty cool content

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Robert Scoble

I really, really, really love Bing. But I won't use it. Why do I love it? Competition for Google is a GOOD thing! Read why I won't use it:

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I am using Google less and less and when I do it's from my iPhone's interface. - Robert Scoble

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Or from a browser's interface. Google is "good enough" and it'll take more than "10% better" (which Bing is in places) to rewire my brain from Google to Bing. - Robert Scoble

There are some exceptions, though. Verticals. I could see using the video search. Or the travel features. They both are very nice. - Robert Scoble

And I will consider the "cash back" for shopping. But it's going to be tough to get me off of Google, how about you? - Robert Scoble

Agreed. Does not feel different enough. Google is safe for a few more years. - Edwin Khodabakchian

Edwin: yeah, and I don't like the "look" of it. I think that's because Google is burned into my brain. It's going to be difficult to get that unburned. On the other hand, I can see the hundreds of millions of people on Hotmail trying it, if it's integrated well. - Robert Scoble

How much will the 'well, it's the search engine that came on my computer' play into it. My sister still uses MSN search - Johnny Worthington

Robert Scoble saying I love Bing is a good start compared to their previous attempts. So far I have had positive results. Will I change my habit of typing google without even knowing it? not sure. - Vaibhav

And it is definitely a credible effort on all the searches I've tried so far. That's a HUGE difference from older search technologies Microsoft put together. - Robert Scoble

Vaibhav: I know that having a credible competitor will keep Google innovative for a lot longer than if there were never any competition from anyone else. Now Google has some fire underneath them. No longer can Google's executives ignore the main search experience, which hasn't seen much innovation for a while. - Robert Scoble

Bing has done a great job in its UI as well as for some other features (excerpt on results, image, map, videos, etc.). I'm still waiting for comments on how good their indexing/ranking is. I hope it'll be better than before. - Dave Fuentes

For that I love Bing, big time. - Robert Scoble

I have the same feeling as for the Google and competition. There is no silver bullet, and there shouldn't be one BIG and SMART and whatever else company. Wish there would be email solution better than Google Apps. Wanted to pay for Apple's MobileMe but I think almost nobody is using their Web mail. And they still do not do custom email domains. So, Google is a winner for now... though, I beg for competitors :-) - Olexiy Prokhorenko

I'm just impressed the results are not the subpar crap from before. It's as good as Google down to even the minor computational stuff I've thrown at it. - Adi

You can't use things like "comfort" and "what you're used to" as reasons, kids that aren't used to anything, and are better at picking up new things will see Bing for what it really is. Now what that is, I still have no idea, we'll see how it performs the next time I need to find something I guess. - Colin

Does anyone know when Mahalo 2 will be released? - Edwin Khodabakchian

I think Bing's novelty as a fresh face will wear off soon, and there's really nothing earth shattering about it as a search engine. I definitely think competition with Google is a great thing, because it's competition between two entities like Microsoft and Google that could really drive innovation (hopefully in OS building someday?). But I guess framing "Bing" as a competitor is a... more... - Victor Barrera

From the little that I've tried it out, it seems to be work fine; not better than Google, but mostly on par. But, like you said, after years of using Google exclusively, I won't be switching search engines unless something that is clearly better comes out. - 321

The Snow Leopard on the front page is amusing. - Diego Barros 

There was a time when AltaVista was the king and I couldn't have imagined to use something else... I don't see why I couldn't make a switch again. - Jemm

Found the T&C document for the cash-back: "You can participate in the Live Search cashback service if you are 18 years or older, reside in the United States..." and there I stopped reading. - Edward Coffey

Love the "I think that's because Google is burned into my brain" quote. This is [scary] true - Edwin Khodabakchian

Cashback service? What was that Edward? They payed people to use Live Search? - Colin

What has changed at Microsoft? Bing, Windows 7, Zune HD all seem to be getting positive reviews. - Vaibhav

So far, for me, I am finding that it does vanity searches better. Kevin Fox mentioned somewhere else on FF that it messes with page titles - that piece I an not so hot on. - Andy Bold

Also, the pr0n biz might feel the heat from the video search it's got. Just sayin'. ;) - Adi

Colin: http://www.bing.com/shoppin... - Edward Coffey

Did I just see Matt Cutts (http://twitter.com/mattcutts) comparing results for Google with @bing? Hhhmmm that's interesting to follow. - Dave Fuentes

Google is more famous, and more common, so for now I will stick with google. Bing does have some interesting features though. They are worthy enough to look into, but google is still the one. At least for me it is. Bing will eventually evolve, and who knows, it could become the next big thing. - TheHenry

I think it is going to be baby steps. If MS get 2 to 3 % increase in market share that will be good enough for now. They have to keep improving though and yes Google needs competition. - Rohit Harshvardhan

Thanks Edward - Colin

Once the Wow dies down, Bing will be to Google as what the Zune is to the iPod. - Diego Barros 

hahah. Agreed @Diego - TheHenry

Simple vanity-searches on Bing for some of my friends and family who aren't famous but have active online presences actually put links to those presences in the first few results. Google prefers genealogy data of long-dead relatives, or the inactive, boiler-plate staff profile pages of university professors. - Edward Coffey

Edward, I've noticed the same. That's quite nice of Bing.. - Christopher A Carr

Its frustrating that because I'm in the UK, I can't test the service. Would like to put it through its paces. - Jim Connolly

TechNewsBlog: Why? Not out there yet? I can use it here in Australia. - Diego Barros 

That is pretty weak Tech News Blog, the whole point of the internet is that it doesn't have those boundaries. - Colin

Christopher and Edward: both search engines put my old blog up top. Really pisses me off, I wish they'd move it down. Google puts friendfeed up where it belongs, though, while Bing has my wife's friendfeed above mine. That's VERY weird. - Robert Scoble

Tech News, I'm also UK and it's working for me. What do you see? - Andy Bold

Nice change of direction, i have tried it and the results have been good - Deepa

Andy: I can see it now - Thanks! On Friday, I just got a redirect page. - Jim Connolly

Over here, the bing.com domain is active, snow leopard and all, but the search results are just identical to Live Search (see query "hotel brussels" - http://www.scrnshots.com/users... ). None of the fancy stuff from the announcement video's is there. - Dirk Houbrechts

For me, the biggest issue is that '10% better' learning curve. Until a search engine is SIGNIFICANTLY better/different than Google, it's going to be hard to convince me to chance. - Cory OBrien

@stuart: I think it changes everyday. Soon snow leopard will be the thing of past (in more than one sense) ;) - Jemm

I see the same results that Live search gave( when I tried a week back) . I don't find the site "snippet" to be useful as well. - Krishnamoorthy

@Robert - what do you like bing to do that would make you swtich to it ? I understand core relevance improvements. but what else ? are there any potential directions that you think would make the user do a swtich... - Krishna Gade

@jemm It might be geographical as well. I don't see the Leopard, I was getting a Nebula and now a bunch of hot air baloons over Turkey. I'm located in The Bahamas. - Adi

Krishna: real time search that's better than friendfeed would get me interested very quickly. Integrating real time feedback underneath business listings would be even better. Do those two and then you change the game. - Robert Scoble

The snow leopard has not gone from the front page for me. - Diego Barros 

Bing Maps FAIL http://friendfeed.com/dryligh... - Diego Barros 

Why would you need to rewire your brain? If I like a particular search engine's results, I'll just set my browser to use it as a default search. Do you actually go to the search engine's website and type your query into their search box? Gah. - Stuart Schram

Robert: Real time search for any search engine is at best difficult. Google as an example has server farms located all over the planet and the databases are not all updated simultaneously. Not all that long ago Google only updated once a month and it took a week. They do it a lot quicker and more frequently now but you can see the implications there for real time search. Plus the... more... - Gilbert Harding

Oh, and FWIW, if I have to choose between the two, I'd much rather a mapping website simply fail to work than get effed-up results from Google Maps that send us more than 3 miles deep into Deliverance country so that I get griefed for the next 15 minutes while everybody in the car wonders if we're going to be made to squeal like piggies. - Stuart Schram

I will hate the name until Armageddon - Bwana ☠

lmao @ Bwana :D - vijay

I liked quite a few features, but it just didn't feel quite as clean as Google, and it didn't produce results quite as good (for my handful of sample searches). The best thing to come out of this will probably that Google learns a few new tricks from Bing & does them better. - Gurpreet

It looks fugly, and a few quick test searches gave really horrid results. - Anders Husa

Here's a question Robert, what makes this better than Yahoo search? - Bwana ☠

Completely agree. I see no reason to switch from Google but it's nice for Google to have someone to compete with. - John Munro

The only place I would be likely to use Bing is on my iPhone. But guess what? They don't have a mobile Bing site. It redirects to the sorry old Live Search mobile site. Yuck. Microsoft should have had a free App Store app for Bing ready to roll today for the launch if they weren't going to support a mobile version. No matter how much they want to, it makes little sense for Microsoft to ignore the iPhone's popularity. - Andy

An incremental evolution of search isn't going to unseat Google. Google is more than "good enough", and even if Bing does turn out to be marginally better that's not enough to get a lot of switchers (and Google can easily clone Bing's features). MS needs a game changer and Bing doesn't seem to be it. And while I don't agree with Robert's enthusiasm for "real time" search, I do feel that... more... - Eric P

I like Bing pretty much but hey lets be honest its still half baked as with so many other MS products (unlike Windows Seven) - Abhishek

It's not a competitor for real if people don't use it, Robert... Be part of the solution, not part of the problem! =) - Andrew C

Scoble: I am really loving Bing as well. It with this Greasemonkey script (http://blog.mikedavidsmith.com/...) that allows you to add Twitter to the side panel (I really hated Twitter at the very top of the search) is very usable. The problem is that I go to Google for Gmail, Reader, and Calendar among other things. But I might try changing the base search engine of my Firefox awesome bar to Bing and see how it works (http://www.howinthetech.com/changin...). - Sweyn Venderbush

I don't think I'll be using 'Bing' as a verb any time soon. Google IS search. - Vince DeGeorge

I'm am finding it works as well as Google as a default provider in Chrome but I agree it will have to be a lot better than Google or have some unique extremely useful features before it will make any serious inroads. But it could creep up on Google search if Microsoft continues to press on all fronts (features, marketing, real time/speed of indexing) and if Google strays doing other stuff like Wave and neglects new search functionality. - Brian Sullivan

Bwana ☠

Isn't there something ironic about the phrase "Palm Pre Release" ? :) :)

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they're having a pre-release? Or is it Pre Re: lease? - WorldofHiglet

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Very funny! - Michael Fidler

lease-only? - Jemm

Ha, ha! never thought of it that way before. - Kenton

Robert Scoble

Thomas Hawk, are you jealous yet? The bloggers embark on the USS Nimitz. Photos. Tons of them: - http://www.flickr.com/photos...

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Many more to come. By the way, the Navy wants to do another trip with social media people. My first recommendation to them? Thomas Hawk. He'd do a lot better than I did. Of course he'd have to drag along a 600 mm F4.0 lens (big ass lens) to get closer than I did. More photos coming in a few minutes (and some videos too). - Robert Scoble from Bookmarklet

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Sorry for the duplication, I messed up. Heheh. Thanks Louis for the like twice. - Robert Scoble

Ready to enlist? - Andrew Leyden

Robert - How heavy is that huge lens? - Susan Beebe

People laughed when I brought my 600 mm F4.0 lens (I rented it) on board. They aren't laughing anymore. - Robert Scoble

Susan: heavy. And I hauled it up a TON of stairs. - Robert Scoble

I am so jealous you have no idea! - Loic Le Meur

Andrew: I almost went into the Marines for six years as a photographer. - Robert Scoble

Loic: you should go on the next trip. It's unbelieveable. It's like Davos but muliplied by 100x. - Robert Scoble

Wow, it looks really impressive. What about the water? How do you protect it from harmful sea salt water? - Susan Beebe

Loic: there's nothing like being 10 feet from an F-18 being catapulted off. Wait until you see the video. - Robert Scoble

Susan: the water is 40 feed beneath the deck. I never even tasted salt. I see more salt in Half Moon Bay. What you have to worry about is hitting lenses when walking up the stairs and jet wash. - Robert Scoble

On the trip was a former F-18 pilot too, so he helped a lot in our understanding. - Robert Scoble

Robert - unfortunately you'll never get to see the F-14 at night, which was always something amazing. If possible, get close to an EA-6B on the Cat, it will rattle your teeth and you'll feel it in your gut (I worked on the flightdeck for 10 years as part of the COD crew). - Vince DeGeorge

Stairwells are steep and narrow. My brother was a Navy Seal on that ship stationed in SD. Very cool rig! He was a medical rescue diver - jumped down out of helicopters to soldiers injured at sea and brought them back up for transport - Susan Beebe

Get Thomas Hawk on there asap! :) - Susan Beebe

Vince: I think we saw one of those, but we saw so many planes land and take off that I lost track. I'm back in the hotel. It was one of those experiences that very few people get to have and it totally changed my life. More on how later. It was a great thing to do just after Memorial Day. - Robert Scoble

Pavan: out of all the experiences I've had, this is the one that sticks in my mind as the most interesting. Both because it was extraordinarily cool, but also because it is a huge responsibility. I was the eyes and ears for a huge number of tax payers, and seeing how their (my) money is being spent is interesting and a large responsibility. - Robert Scoble

I can tell you - working on the flight deck, the excitement was ALWAYS there... I never got used to it. Of course, it's not exactly somewhere you want to feel comfortable. For any who haven't seen it, go here: http://www.pbs.org/weta... and watch Carrier. It appears they have the full episodes. Memories... now I'm ready to go back in!!! - Vince DeGeorge

Robert, also remember, that most of that responsibility falls on kids barely out of high school. The military builds character and trains you like no other corporation in the world. A modern day manager with a $3 mil budget? Ha, how about an 18 year old kid that is responsible for a $30 mil dollar aircraft and the lives of those inside? - Vince DeGeorge

Yes I'm jealous. Why was I not invited??? LOL Awesome you got to Robert. Truly fantastic! - Sheryl

Those are some stellar shots you got Robert. - Jason Hansen

This was a PR event put on by the Navy I take it? - David Lloyd

Show the world what a modern service it is now and how they are all up on blogging and stuff for recruitment? :p - David Lloyd

jealous yes, looks great - Kim Landwehr

Vince: the sailors I talked to didn't like the PBS special. They said they only put on disgruntled employees. Mark: yes, they fly VIPs, bloggers, journalists onto the carrier for these embarks so that they can get the word out about what the carrier is like. Pavan: thanks, I'm still uploading. - Robert Scoble

WOW. I can't wait to see the video. - Schneider Mike

Robert, I agree - they didn't exactly put on the best sailors, but it did give VERY GOOD insight to what carrier life is like. You have to see through some of the drama (though, believe me - there IS that drama in the Navy). I don't know, I may have a different skew on things. I wasn't what was called "Boat Chuck" - I was aviation, which is a little different world - even further, I was CODs, making it even more so. - Vince DeGeorge

The video will be up after dinner. I got more than 100 photos up to look at in the meantime. - Robert Scoble

Robert awesome pix. what lenses did u bring? 70-200 IS, wide angle, 600 mm, can u give us a list of what u used? easier than going into "more properties" on Flickr for a ton of photos - Elliott Ng

I had a 16-35 F2.8 L Series, a 70-200 F2.8 L Series, and a 600 mm F4.0 L Series. I also had a 50 F1.4 for the night stuff. - Robert Scoble

check out this thread i just started on friendfeed.. we're up to 150 comments now! http://ff.im/3pYjK - Jason Pollock

Looks like that 600mm came in handy! I'm green with envy. Looks like a great opportunity and everyone had a blast. - Jim Goldstein

Nice Photos Scobleizer! - JimmyJet

Awesome! Sign me up! Love it! Great photos! - Thomas Hawk

Did they let you shoot anywhere you wanted or were some areas off limits? - Thomas Hawk

Thomas: only two things were off limits: the nuclear power plant and the room where they were playing war games. Everything else was OK to shoot. - Robert Scoble

very cool. What a fantastic opportunity to shoot. Loved the photos, faved a bunch of them. - Thomas Hawk

I'm available to cadie - Mrsth

Civil jealousy. Must be so awesome. Your a Navy Lottery winner. - Harry

Harry. This beats a private tour of the White House. My connectivity sucks so can't get the videos up until tonight. - Robert Scoble

Johnny Worthington

You know what I have always wanted since I was 4? A ball room. A room inside my house with plastic balls like at Ikea. I would put an entertainment system in there and watch TV etc... And It would be on the lower floor so I could have a fireman's pole down into it. Rachael has agreed to let me build one with a fireman's pole in our next house... :D

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PS: That's what she said for this entire post... just knocking that out outta the way - Johnny Worthington

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I want a ball room, too. - joey

last.fm have one at their office :) EDIT - http://blog.last.fm/2007... - Simon Wicks

When you get your ball room I'm totally going to come crash parties at your place. - Sparky

I heard they'd had it removed from Last.fm because it got all dirty and smelly after not being cleaned for so long. - Martin Bryant

I always think of the song "Big Balls" by AC/DC when I see these ball rooms. - Trish R

Poor Josh...this thread totally made me think of "he's all sack" - Alex Scoble

Ball rooms are fun. :-) - Kol Tregaskes

I know :P - Johnny Worthington

Louis Gray

Matt Cutts at WordCamp SF - How to do better in Google | The Expand2Web Blog - http://www.expand2web.com/blog...

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It's so rare to have the team at Google open up like this. It looks like some of the internet marketers out there are going to have to look at what they are teaching with fresh eyes. - Michael Jones

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I dont think they are coming back this time - http://thedw.us/post...

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Awwww.... :'( - CAJ, somewhere else

Ed Dale

RT @eddie1409 @ed_dale when does the thiry day challenge start{preaseson starts this Wedensday!}

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It's all about the faces http://www.feld.com/wp...

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Faces do count. I like the new FB app adds my contact's FB profile pic to my address book on my Blackberry automatically. - Michael Jones

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Straight from Google: What You Need to Know - http://www.mattcutts.com/blog...

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"Latest Twitter Scam" is trending on Twitter now - still spreading. Explanation here: http://mashable.com/2009...

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why use FriendFeed rather than or in addition to a Twitter client?

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Why not? - Robert Scoble

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Because Twitter doesn't thread comments? - Aaron Kurtz

better depth, better presentaion, better debate, on ff - chaz2b

Because Twitter isn't the only website my friends use - Jesse Hattabaugh

Jesse: exactly. Currently I like ff over a twitter client because you see a person's entire stream of activity and the conversation around it. I've been testing Seesmic Desktop (Air-based) and Sobees (.Net-based) alongside ff. Sobees imports ff pretty well but Seesmic doesn't yet. Once it does people may switch as in a lot of cases I still like to see invidual streams per service but still have ff as primary. - David Ziembicki

because it acts as a pivot point for all my activities and friends online including twitter and facebook and ties them all together - Taehoon Kim

Has more depth in terms of involvment in the community and no 140 letters limit. - ashish

Threading of comments and more in-depth conversations. Less junk than on Twitter. - William Mougayar

how about a FriendFeed client ??? - Pablo Yamamoto

Yes FriendFeed client would probably become my default app. iPhone browser pretty nice and at least I don't have to login every time I use it now. - Dave

Rather than? Because you have more engagement here on FF than you do on Twitter, so there is no point in devoting the time and resources on an actual separate Twitter client. In addition to? Because you love FriendFeed, but there are still a whole mess of people you want to keep up with on Twitter and they aren't moving to FF any time soon. - Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah

With the right set up, you in the end get a fuller experience. Bottom line. - Malcolm Bastien

why use a spoon to eat soup? Cause it works!! - Ryan Gerritsen

FF thinks - A Mitchell

I decided to go all ff this week as I do research for an upcoming company strategy shift. I got more value out of the info people share here than most of the Google searches I did looking for news articles, etc. - Justin Whittaker

Started thinking threading comments was better, but realize it's not as good as actually posting to Twitter. It's a lower class of participation, and not as visible to your own friends. - Jason Catena

Jason: what?? - Robert Scoble

Jason, that statement makes no sense. Most of us are here on Friendfeed because there's far MORE visibility to your friends than on Twitter. FF shows you all of your friend's activity (comments, likes, etc.) and not just their posts. Twitter is highly fragmented and it's really difficult to keep up with a conversation there if you follow more than a very few people. - Glen Mistletoe

Rahsheen ™ is right on the money. I agree with him 100% - Danny Minick

Is there a simple way to Tweet an in-thread comment on FF? If not then Twitter is missing a lot of the conversation. - John Francis

Missing a lot of the conversation is part of the Twitter experience. - Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)

But yes, John, if a post originated on Twitter-you can send your comment back to Twitter by selecting "Also send this comment as an @reply twitter from Your_Twitter_Name" - Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)

The very first comment by Robert was on the money. Why not? Twitter and Friendfeed are not the same. They do not offer the same service or user experience. Twitter is bursts of information, short streams of conciousness if you like, it was not set up to be conversational like Friendfeed. There is no mileage in pitting one against the other, use one or both or none it's your decision, and it's up to you what you get out of either of them. - Gilbert Harding

Because there's many infos, blog posts, conversations that you miss on Twitter. - Thierry R. Andriamirado

Rob, thanks. I've probably never commented from my desktop just iPhone so never noticed that option. Don't think iPhone UI has it. - John Francis from BuddyFeed

More than 140 characters. Pictures. URL's not converted to tinyurl's automatically... Why the fuck use twitter? - LarchOye

Essentially, what Rah said. And - Twitter/FB reach a less web-savvy, tech-savvy group of friends. For us in the burbs, that familiarity gap can be significant - it's a reality check from a marketing standpoint and a touching-base with the folks who, as Robert said a year ago, won't be catching on to gf for another five. - MaryB, BrandingBroadOfFF

Other than the fact that I can't seem to get FF to Twitter to work any more - no reason. - Brian Sullivan

FF is just another medium where just a few people get all the comments. I have no comments on FF to the same posts (and more) as are on Twitter, where I do get replies. In addition, my comments are associated with your posts, as a second-class entity, not something that people can comment on in and of itself, and not something people can directly link. In contrast, any comment I make on Twitter can itself be replied to, and is a first-class entity which can be favorited, bookmarked, and shared. - Jason Catena

On FF I don't have to be subscribed to all the participants to see the entire conversation. In fact, I don' have to be subscribed to any. Also FF doesn't need elaborate, third-part apps to make it usable. - MVB (Curmudgeon of FF) from fftogo

On a Twitter / FriendFeed client I don't have to be subscribed to anyone either to see the conversation flow. FriendFeed does need 3rd party apps to make it so that you can iew huge amounts of FF data simultaneously. - guruvan (Rob Nelson)

I use both, why? Because I can get my name farther with two services then I can with one. Plus Friendfeed allows me to comment, not with Twitter. - Zachary TG

Because Twitter is practically topic titles, FF explodes the conversation further. I'm guessing Wave is about to either deprecate or complement both, to a large degree -- at least, for myself. But that question is just trolling, isn't it? If you really can't figure the answer out yourself, I suggest you go write "140 characters should be enough for everyone" on a blackboard until enlightened. - Goran Zec

Totally different tools for me. Twitter "poetry" vs. "ff" prose. - Phil Boiarski

heidi allen

Google Wave Developer Preview at Google I/O 2009 - http://www.youtube.com/watch...

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http://www.blippr.com/apps... <--Reviewed Twitbacks: "One of the best sites for free custom Twitter backgrounds."

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Google Image Search Refining Experiment - http://googlesystem.blogspot.com/2009...

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The refined search Google image search is going to be very handy. I wonder how accurate it will be? - Michael Jones

Robert Scoble

@bindermichi you're still using IE? Why? That's the crappiest browser out there.

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Amen to that! - Sharon McPherson

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I agree.... - Roberto Bonini

IE8 isn't bad. Scoble's assertion is still correct, though. - Christopher A Carr

I use all three (Chrome, FF, I.E) and IE is so painful to use: slow to open, horrible UI, etc... By far the best experience (for me) is Chrome. I'd venture to say it works like a dream. - Mark Evans

Yes!! Drop IE. - Wilfredo Guerrero

Mark: Great tabs, fast, clean, robust, and secure -- I also really like Chrome for regular browsing. When I have to use FF, the crappy tabs, compared to Chrome, really stand out. - Christopher A Carr

Chrome doesn't have a half of the Firefox's useful addons. I think there just isn't any really good browser. - Kirill Bolgarov

Kirill: There will be lots of plugins for Chrome in the not-too-distant future. - Christopher A Carr

I ♥ Chrome, I actually miss it when I'm on my mac. I don't use extensions as much as I used to, besides the occasional dev stuff everthing I like (and more) is elegantly built into Chrome. - Tanner Powell

I love Chrome. First i thought i will miss all extensions but i don't. Adblocking via HOSTSman, small apps via chrome/autohotkey was my solution. - Svartling

Why is IE crap? I user IE8 on my pcs and safari on my macs, tried others was not happy so return to what I know and they work fine. - WRider from twhirl

IE8 is slow at rendering, but otherwise good. I started using it a while ago when I went to a site which basically blocked IE, telling me to "use a better browser". I did a little trickery and changed the user agent string, and it rendered perfectly well - there was no technical reason for the block. At that point, I decided if some numb-skull dev was going to try and make me change from IE, I would do exactly the opposite :) - Ian Betteridge

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Facebook Embraces OpenID; Login With Gmail - http://mashable.com/2009...

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not yet active for me, need to wait. I'm happy to see a move toward accross-site identity. Soon we won't have forms to fill anymore:) - Jean-Charles VERDIE

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not for me too - Amiroo ™

So does this mean that if we are already logged into Gmail we wont have to log into Facebook? - Rustic Thoughts

This my friends, is evolution! - Fulvio Minichini

Ed Dale

HOW TO: Get the Most Out of Twitter Hashtags - http://mashable.com/2009...

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Sic Transit - http://theonlinephotographer.t...

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"Thierry Legault took this "transit" photograph from a location in Florida, using a Canon 5D Mark II mounted to a Takahashi TOA-130 refractor telescope (effective focal length 2,200mm). Shooting through a Baader solar filter, the camera was set on ISO 100 with a 1/8000th shutter speed. Remarkably, the Shuttle Atlantis is traveling at 15,500 miles per hour, and the transit itself lasted only eight-tenths of a second, which gives you an idea of the depth of knowledge and preparedness required of the photographer. This transit was viewable from a swath of territory on Earth only three and a half miles wide." - Jeff P. Henderson from Bookmarklet

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*looks across at his Nikon D80 with disgust*... - Johnny Worthington

Your D80 could have taken the same shot Johnny! It's the telescope setup and knowing where the shuttle was going to be that is the tricky part about making this image. - Jeff P. Henderson

I max out at 1/4000th :( - Johnny Worthington

Aside from shooting directly into the sun, I rarely shoot over 1/1000th and occasionally 1/2000th. 1/1000th is enough to stop surfers with a 300mm lens. - Jeff P. Henderson

A related shot - http://tinyurl.com/5wkhkt - Brent Smorgen Bleg

Ok, never mind my wide angle - I want a telescope now. - Rob Kramer

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