Michael Nielsen

The above examples are all videos or prose. While I'd love to have more examples from those media, I'm also looking for pictures, so if anyone knows some, it'd be much appreciated! - Michael Nielsen

Eva cut a video a while back, not sure if this is what you're looking for http://vimeo.com/1299570 - Jim Hardy

Thanks, Jim - I meant reuse / remixing in the Creative Commons type sense. - Michael Nielsen

Not exactly what you're asking for but closely related - a search engine for Open Access text and, importantly, images: http://biosearch.berkeley.edu/ . - Daniel Mietchen

Um, I think Jim actually meant the correct type of "reuse" - I made the video (which just happened to be about another type of reuse) using Creative Commons-licensed photos and music by others. One of the music fragments came from this guy, who has a section on his page listing works that use his music: http://www.bradsucks.net/music... (goes straight to the section with remixed works) - Eva

Eva - Hah! I commented too quickly. - Michael Nielsen

My favorite is still the Dubya/Tony Blair one. Is it still around? - Deepak

Deepak - I didn't see that. Link / description? (Google returns about a million hits, most of them not relevant, of course.) - Michael Nielsen

mine too Deepak, here ya go:- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v... - Graham Steel

Very cool. I added a bunch of open notebook scientists. - Michael Nielsen

@Andrew if you haven't already, make sure you check out all the info on the Open Data page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O... - Richard Akerman

Richard, I used that as a template ;) I was looking for a page on open notebook science in particular and didn't find one, so I created one. Everyone feel free to add their contribution, I am not the expert. - Andrew Lang

Very nice - Deepak

Just added some material :) - Deepak

Be aware that this did exist before and got deleted by the powers that be. I think we've got a much greater case for it now but we need the set of references to the term in the 'real' media to hand when the editors come by... - Cameron Neylon

@Cam: I have been collecting such references here: http://www.simpy.com/user/senn... -- v. small collection so far, perhaps we could use this room to collect more? - Bill Hooker

@Cameron Ah I thought this had existed before, I wasn't sure whether I had imagined that or not. I actually did a few searches to see if I could find a deletion log but nothing showed up. - Richard Akerman

Jean-Claude will know but I think he originally put a page up about 12-18 months ago. Then it go redirected to 'Open Data'. I'm wondering how best to go about writing the article though - as I understand the Wikipedia guidelines both JC and I would be seen non-objective observers - is it better for us not to write any of it? Or restrict ourselves to the discussion page? - Cameron Neylon

@Bill - Jean-Claude also has a google search for 'open notebook science' piped through to an RSS feed I think which should capture a lot of the general media references. - Cameron Neylon

I think if you stick to your guns on the topic, add references, especially anything in mainstream media and/or with a DOI, you have decent start - Deepak

I agree with Deepak that referencing the hell out of a new Wikipedia page is a good way to manage the inevitable assault from the Notability Police. - Richard Akerman

Thanks Andy and everyone with helping out with giving this another try! Cameron is right - I tried a while back and it got redirected to Open Data. As Tony reminded me a few months back this is a good time to do it - Jean-Claude Bradley

Richard/Deepak - yes references are crucial - I added one to an early Precedings document. I think the criticisms portion is very important to give a balanced view - based on the meeting in Southampton maybe Jenny could contribute to that - what do you think Cameron? - Jean-Claude Bradley

@Cam: I think it is appropriate for you and I to add the odd link or make a correction but it would certainly be best if the article were built up by true crowdsourcing. We can certainly try to use the discussion more than just direct edits. - Jean-Claude Bradley

@Jean-Claude I hadn't thought about that - probably helps NPOV and any perceptions of boosterism to include critiques or issues. I'm sure there must be a few writers who think open science is total bollocks... :) - Richard Akerman

@Andrew I suggest you use a Wikipedia citation template for your references, it adds some nice features. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T... - Richard Akerman

Richard - hopefully we'll get some rational points made - no surprises there: fear of scooping, IP, limitation of publication in some peer-reviewed journals, etc. - Jean-Claude Bradley

Yep, it has to be a well rounded piece, but perhaps with enough material and a list of events where it has been discussed, it will stay there - Deepak

The deletion warning is up on the talk page... - Richard Akerman

In future, perhaps have a more complete article in draft before going live. It seems they're not keen on preliminary articles which sit there a few days without activity - understandable really. - Neil Saunders

I have a list of articles referencing ONS and some of my talks (sorry no hyperlinks yet but I'll add them) - http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=... - Jean-Claude Bradley

Hi Andrew, wikiversity is perhaps a better place to start such things (no deletomanics there), and a scaffold similar to yours is already available at http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki... . Besides, there is also Citizendium where stubbyness is no problem, since they basically only care for approved articles, quality-wise. - Daniel Mietchen

Wikipedia guidelines are that new articles get 7-10 days to be filled out. This article was created 3 days ago, so the request for deletion is premature. On the other hand, more content and references do need to be added with some haste. - Michael Nielsen

Our deletionist appears not to care what the Wikipedia guidelines say. Charming. - Michael Nielsen

What about starting out with a section at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L... that could later be turned into an extra article? - Daniel Mietchen

I just added an "open" paragraph to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L... . - Daniel Mietchen

Daniel, great and I just linked it to the Open Notebook Science page. If everyone could take five minutes RIGHT NOW to add a sentence or two to the open notebook science page I think it would stick because they look at how many people edit it and where they edit it from. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O... - Andrew Lang

Just got this from the discussion page, thanks to Michael for spotting that: "We have experts in our group who could write an introduction but we have been worried that that may appear self serving and wanted the article to be created exclusively in a crowd-sorcing type manner. Would you mind if the intro was written by an expert in the field rather than someone who is let's say more objective? Romney (talk • contribs) 17:23, 7 October 2008 (UTC) I understand what you mean. This isn't the same thing as someone who founded a company or other organization posting information about his own operation. There is no reason why experts can't write an article, and in fact I think that's ideal. There's no policy preventing you from writing what you already know. The important thing is that it all be verifiable from neutral third-party sources. I do understand that it can be tedious to identify arms-length resources to cite for material you're able to write out of your own head. But that's the nature of the beast. Yo - Andrew Lang

I'm not good at editing Wikipedia, and no time to figure it out right now, but here's a link from Scientific American that you can use as reference. http://www.sciam.com/article.c... (Also, I *kind of* agree with the Wikipedia editor that there has to be at least *something* on the page before making it public. In other words, start with just an intro, and don't add headers like "Criticism of Open Notebook Science" until you actually *have* something for that section. - Eva

thanks Andy - based on that I've continued to directly edit the wiki - thanks to everyone contributing - this thing is taking shape - Jean-Claude Bradley

I really enjoyed watching Timo's talk at 'Science 21st' so great that he's taken the time/effort to make this available in this format. - Graham Steel

I found the comments on this especially fun to read. - Michael Nielsen

It's interesting how Timo's impactful Keynote slides lend themselves to repurposing as a blog posting - it's a good example of the user as a content creator - the presentation isn't just a fixed event in time to a single audience, it continues on as video and blog post, reaching a much broader audience. - Richard Akerman

Richard, it's an excellent approach. Never quite thought about that before. Tells a story - Deepak

I like this guy, even if he is Teh Enemy (though Nature is less the enemy than some). Sensible dude who is seeing reality and being thoughtful instead of knee-jerk about it. I wish all publisher types could be him! - Dorothea Salo

me neither - Deepak

the irony :) - Neil Saunders

Ah, bugger, I reshared this from a google search that I have set up as an imaginary friend. Apparently imaginary friends are in our heads only and can't be shared! Direct link: http://fatknowledge.blogspot.c... - Bill Hooker

Very interesting. Looks a bit unwieldy in the post, but like a move in an potentially useful direction. - Michael Nielsen

I haven't used WebCite yet - just bookmarking this for future use - maybe another good way to give DOIs to proposals and other short documents not suited for Precedings - Jean-Claude Bradley

As always, I appreciate your dog physics posts. I'm looking forward to your book. - Christopher Granade

There's books for dummies, books for idiots... maybe there's space in the market for a complete series targetted especially at dogs? - Michael Nielsen

On the Internet, no one knows your dog is a physicist? - Richard Akerman

That's fair - but I think the question is how do you actually harness that wealth to do good rather than just getting upset about inequality per se. This is why I find Health Commons so exciting - what if the cost of developing a drug for an NTD drops to $1M - how many people looking for a legacy could then do something about it - and not just SB and Bill Gates - Cameron Neylon

My point wasn't about inequalities per se - I'm little worried about possible impact such change in the landscape of biomedical research may have on the developing cures for other diseases (because researchers will follow the money, few hundred billionaires can start to shape medical sciences). Health Commons is indeed a great idea and I'm looking forward to see any first prototype. - Pawel Szczesny

I think the impact of a few hundred billionaires in practice is pretty limited against the NIH budget - which is pretty much obsessed with first world concerns as well. The really very very rich are actually probably more likely to fund global priority issues; they seem more concerned with their legacy than with todays stock prices - which might worry the merely very rich - see Bill Gates, Google.org, shuttleworth foundation...overall I think it is nett positive but I agree there are risks - Cameron Neylon