Michael Nielsen

We are about to release a widget for Wordpress that we'll quickly move to other platforms. We costed it out a while ago and decided (quite easily) that moving to VMs on the cloud was the best solution. It's cheap initially and can scale fairly quickly. - mike

We're on the verge of going cloud. We'd probably go cloud before going dedicated. The way the balance of our needs work out, we can probably keep our site on a beefed up VPS for the time being, and move the service API workload out into the cloud. - Andrew Badera

Talk to Oren Michels or Scott Rafer at Mashery...entirely cloud based from get go... - Alan Edgett

Unfortunately we are a dedicated hosting environment. Both managed and the cheaper unmanaged. We still see growth in both areas, but the cloud makes sense for certain areas. - Chris

@ andrew leyden You might want to check out BlueLock www.bluelock.com I think their monthly packages start significantly lower then $4,000 a month - Lorraine Ball

I'm hearing a lot more people switching to the cloud. - Steve Spalding

I'm still on a dedicated server for each site. i think until you really (need to) scale up the cloud isn't a huge issue.I'm more interested in scaling 3rd party services (e.g. entry level consumer of 3rd party data) - weblivz

Those of us whose models depend on scale, or anyone whose app takes off suddenly, anyone who has predictable troughs in demand, are perfect candidates for the benefits of cloud computing. And, it's better, IMO, to already be in the cloud, if there's no additional cost associated, rather than trying to go cloud WHEN or AFTER demand hits. - Andrew Badera

I see the latest Twitter blog post - Ev admits, like every startup, they started without scale. I agree the cloud is *easier* to be part of than it used to be (Twitter used s3 for it's images since the start i think), but exclusively? - weblivz via twhirl

Can someone explain how switching to the cloud works? We are a not-yet-started startup. We have a VPS and 12-hour backups to S3. Before we go 'live' we will have a failover to another VPS as well. I understand the concept of backing up to S3, etc. but I don't understand how switching would work unless I am reading too much into the word and it means using the cloud as an extra backup location? - david

Depends on the nature of your needs. Some places, like EC2 or Rackspace, offer fullblown IaaS. Others like Google App Engine lock you in with PaaS, which restricts you to writing Python apps to serve your needs. Hadoop offers a data cloud. Nirvanix offers CDN/SDN cloud-like facilities. - Andrew Badera

If you need Google's BigTable, Amazon's SimpleDB, or Microsoft's SSDS (in beta), then you also need to recognize, and understand how to employ, access, iterate, Entity-Attribute-Value, or "horizontal" data structures. These are all graph or graph-like databases. - Andrew Badera

In my case I have a website that's relatively low traffic, but a web service API that needs to scale. So, I part my service calls out to a cloud service, let the cloud handle the demand, then pump the data down to a data warehouse for conventional OLTP and reporting. - Andrew Badera

david, amazon web services are much more than a storage facility (S3), you can have EC2 (elastic compute cloud) instances running and fire them up as/when needed. They are basically images of a OS of choice running off with the calc power and memory you chose. If a small EC2 becomes unresponsive (for example too much load on that one) you can fire a bigger one up and smoothly (and instantly) migrate to that one. you may want to give a look at the AWS developers doc, there are a lot of very nice examples - lezionidistile

much better and more useful than the ones I can make on friendfeed... you'll find them here: http://aws.amazon.com/resource... - lezionidistile

We have been moving clients (and our own services) to the Mosso cloud system. Capacity scales automatically, the environment is straight PHP and / or .NET from our point of view and we have non of the crazy hoops to jump through to configure for EC2. - Soulhuntre

Very closely maps onto what I've been thinking but with proper analysis and numbers and all... - Cameron Neylon

Very interesting find. It matches my perceptions of physics as well. Great to have a detailed analysis. - Michael Nielsen

Its all looking to fit nicely into the kind of things Eric was talking about at Science21 plus issues of academic credit (and how in the current circumstances the use of the term credit has some interesting consequences) - Cameron Neylon

The above examples are all videos or prose. While I'd love to have more examples from those media, I'm also looking for pictures, so if anyone knows some, it'd be much appreciated! - Michael Nielsen

Eva cut a video a while back, not sure if this is what you're looking for http://vimeo.com/1299570 - Jim Hardy

Thanks, Jim - I meant reuse / remixing in the Creative Commons type sense. - Michael Nielsen

Not exactly what you're asking for but closely related - a search engine for Open Access text and, importantly, images: http://biosearch.berkeley.edu/ . - Daniel Mietchen

Um, I think Jim actually meant the correct type of "reuse" - I made the video (which just happened to be about another type of reuse) using Creative Commons-licensed photos and music by others. One of the music fragments came from this guy, who has a section on his page listing works that use his music: http://www.bradsucks.net/music... (goes straight to the section with remixed works) - Eva

Eva - Hah! I commented too quickly. - Michael Nielsen

My favorite is still the Dubya/Tony Blair one. Is it still around? - Deepak

Deepak - I didn't see that. Link / description? (Google returns about a million hits, most of them not relevant, of course.) - Michael Nielsen

mine too Deepak, here ya go:- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v... - Graham Steel

Very cool. I added a bunch of open notebook scientists. - Michael Nielsen

@Andrew if you haven't already, make sure you check out all the info on the Open Data page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O... - Richard Akerman

Richard, I used that as a template ;) I was looking for a page on open notebook science in particular and didn't find one, so I created one. Everyone feel free to add their contribution, I am not the expert. - Andrew Lang

Very nice - Deepak

Just added some material :) - Deepak

Be aware that this did exist before and got deleted by the powers that be. I think we've got a much greater case for it now but we need the set of references to the term in the 'real' media to hand when the editors come by... - Cameron Neylon

@Cam: I have been collecting such references here: http://www.simpy.com/user/senn... -- v. small collection so far, perhaps we could use this room to collect more? - Bill Hooker

@Cameron Ah I thought this had existed before, I wasn't sure whether I had imagined that or not. I actually did a few searches to see if I could find a deletion log but nothing showed up. - Richard Akerman

Jean-Claude will know but I think he originally put a page up about 12-18 months ago. Then it go redirected to 'Open Data'. I'm wondering how best to go about writing the article though - as I understand the Wikipedia guidelines both JC and I would be seen non-objective observers - is it better for us not to write any of it? Or restrict ourselves to the discussion page? - Cameron Neylon

@Bill - Jean-Claude also has a google search for 'open notebook science' piped through to an RSS feed I think which should capture a lot of the general media references. - Cameron Neylon

I think if you stick to your guns on the topic, add references, especially anything in mainstream media and/or with a DOI, you have decent start - Deepak

I agree with Deepak that referencing the hell out of a new Wikipedia page is a good way to manage the inevitable assault from the Notability Police. - Richard Akerman

Thanks Andy and everyone with helping out with giving this another try! Cameron is right - I tried a while back and it got redirected to Open Data. As Tony reminded me a few months back this is a good time to do it - Jean-Claude Bradley

Richard/Deepak - yes references are crucial - I added one to an early Precedings document. I think the criticisms portion is very important to give a balanced view - based on the meeting in Southampton maybe Jenny could contribute to that - what do you think Cameron? - Jean-Claude Bradley

@Cam: I think it is appropriate for you and I to add the odd link or make a correction but it would certainly be best if the article were built up by true crowdsourcing. We can certainly try to use the discussion more than just direct edits. - Jean-Claude Bradley

@Jean-Claude I hadn't thought about that - probably helps NPOV and any perceptions of boosterism to include critiques or issues. I'm sure there must be a few writers who think open science is total bollocks... :) - Richard Akerman

@Andrew I suggest you use a Wikipedia citation template for your references, it adds some nice features. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T... - Richard Akerman

Richard - hopefully we'll get some rational points made - no surprises there: fear of scooping, IP, limitation of publication in some peer-reviewed journals, etc. - Jean-Claude Bradley

Yep, it has to be a well rounded piece, but perhaps with enough material and a list of events where it has been discussed, it will stay there - Deepak

The deletion warning is up on the talk page... - Richard Akerman

In future, perhaps have a more complete article in draft before going live. It seems they're not keen on preliminary articles which sit there a few days without activity - understandable really. - Neil Saunders

I have a list of articles referencing ONS and some of my talks (sorry no hyperlinks yet but I'll add them) - http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=... - Jean-Claude Bradley

Hi Andrew, wikiversity is perhaps a better place to start such things (no deletomanics there), and a scaffold similar to yours is already available at http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki... . Besides, there is also Citizendium where stubbyness is no problem, since they basically only care for approved articles, quality-wise. - Daniel Mietchen

Wikipedia guidelines are that new articles get 7-10 days to be filled out. This article was created 3 days ago, so the request for deletion is premature. On the other hand, more content and references do need to be added with some haste. - Michael Nielsen

Our deletionist appears not to care what the Wikipedia guidelines say. Charming. - Michael Nielsen

What about starting out with a section at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L... that could later be turned into an extra article? - Daniel Mietchen

I just added an "open" paragraph to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L... . - Daniel Mietchen

Daniel, great and I just linked it to the Open Notebook Science page. If everyone could take five minutes RIGHT NOW to add a sentence or two to the open notebook science page I think it would stick because they look at how many people edit it and where they edit it from. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O... - Andrew Lang

Just got this from the discussion page, thanks to Michael for spotting that: "We have experts in our group who could write an introduction but we have been worried that that may appear self serving and wanted the article to be created exclusively in a crowd-sorcing type manner. Would you mind if the intro was written by an expert in the field rather than someone who is let's say more objective? Romney (talk • contribs) 17:23, 7 October 2008 (UTC) I understand what you mean. This isn't the same thing as someone who founded a company or other organization posting information about his own operation. There is no reason why experts can't write an article, and in fact I think that's ideal. There's no policy preventing you from writing what you already know. The important thing is that it all be verifiable from neutral third-party sources. I do understand that it can be tedious to identify arms-length resources to cite for material you're able to write out of your own head. But that's the nature of the beast. Yo - Andrew Lang

I'm not good at editing Wikipedia, and no time to figure it out right now, but here's a link from Scientific American that you can use as reference. http://www.sciam.com/article.c... (Also, I *kind of* agree with the Wikipedia editor that there has to be at least *something* on the page before making it public. In other words, start with just an intro, and don't add headers like "Criticism of Open Notebook Science" until you actually *have* something for that section. - Eva

thanks Andy - based on that I've continued to directly edit the wiki - thanks to everyone contributing - this thing is taking shape - Jean-Claude Bradley

I really enjoyed watching Timo's talk at 'Science 21st' so great that he's taken the time/effort to make this available in this format. - Graham Steel

I found the comments on this especially fun to read. - Michael Nielsen

It's interesting how Timo's impactful Keynote slides lend themselves to repurposing as a blog posting - it's a good example of the user as a content creator - the presentation isn't just a fixed event in time to a single audience, it continues on as video and blog post, reaching a much broader audience. - Richard Akerman

Richard, it's an excellent approach. Never quite thought about that before. Tells a story - Deepak

I like this guy, even if he is Teh Enemy (though Nature is less the enemy than some). Sensible dude who is seeing reality and being thoughtful instead of knee-jerk about it. I wish all publisher types could be him! - Dorothea Salo

Datasets aren't just numbers. A textual corpus is also a dataset. Trust me on this one; I was a lexicographer in a past life... - Dorothea Salo

"Do any of us want to get out of our comfort zones? I work in the humanities. I don't see those science librarians getting out of their comfort zones to understand how the humanities operate, so I don't think it's just we humanities librarians who are special in that regard." - John Dupuis

If somebody walks up to the desk and asks me a humanities question, I'll start, and tell them that they should go to that library if they need more. If an engineer walks up to the humanities desk, the staff run screaming. - DJF via twhirl

I do have a bit of a response on the "comfort zone" question. Speaking as a science librarian, I have to say that with the way that the web (and computational methods in general) is transforming both the way science is done and communicated any science librarian that isn't trying to expand their comfort zone at least a little is in danger of becoming irrelevant. Trying new things to reach out to faculty and students who may not see a role for libraries is a must. And whether it's IM reference, blogs... - John Dupuis

...social networks, escience/data sets or, perhaps most importantly, getting a foothold in the classroom with expanded instructional programs, I think most are trying something. - John Dupuis

"I don't see those science libns getting out of their comfort zones to understand how the humanities operate" ... because naturally that's the only possible way a science librarian could stretch him- or herself. John, are you TRYING to set me going? *g* - Dorothea Salo

Srsly, the point is that the OP has his head in the sand. The digital humanities are here, and here to stay. Of course that doesn't mean they're using the same techniques and tools as e-science. It DOES mean that "texts and arguments" are changing, and librarians will have to change with them, in ways that many librarians don't find congenial. (Am amused that OP seems to think I have a science background. Nope. Comp lit, medieval studies, and linguistics.) - Dorothea Salo

Yes, Dorothea, I was trying to set you going *g*. - John Dupuis

Well, it worked. :P - Dorothea Salo

While I agree that digital humanities are here to stay, I think the actual number of humanists actually practicing them are v. small at most institutions. And I sympathize with Wayne's point that the library is there to support the faculty research and work habits that they actually practice, not the ones we wish they did. BTW, I'm a humanities librarian that got his start at the Science & Engineering ref desk at UCSD. If your humanities folks scream at science questions, tell 'em I said they are losers. - Steve ✪ Lawson

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