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Il a neigé sur nancy cette nuit, c'est tout blanc, cool ! Et j'ai un torticoli d'enfer ce matin, pas cool !! Grrrr ;)
Seulement maintenant ? Regarde un peu flickr.com/mickou et tu vas voir ce qu´on a à quelques km de là :p
- MiKE
@Mike: ne me dis pas que tu es à Nancy ? Atais-tu quitté le mexique ?? ;)
- Jean-Marie Gall
Check ta BAL Facebook et tu comprendras mieux > je suis dans le coin depuis deux bonnes semaines et actuellement sous 10 cm de neige, par -11 degrés, dans les Vosges !
- MiKE
I'm not really a futurist, I'm more of a nowist. Nowism. Now that could be a new religion.
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That is why I explore the 2010 web and not the 2015 one. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Spell it "noaism" and you're onto something
- Toby Hede
Being a Taoist, I appreciate the now. But I'm also a procrastinator. So I worship the not-right-now.
- Jack (a.k.a. Jeber)
then there are the people who are always anticipating the hardware or software that's expected to be released in the next six months -- the Real-Soon-Nowists. ;-)
- Karim
What is real time search? Join us live at http://www.kyte.tv/channel... and comment here:
Maxim Grinev, Nicholas James, Mike Lui and 12 other people liked this
This is the official back channel, we'll watch this during the panel discussion.
- Robert Scoble
Real-time search, sounds cool. How much bandwidth does it use?
- Charbax
Why does realtime search matter? Isn't accurate search more important?
- David Damore
I have this on in my headphones but never opened anything! weird! Scoble is invading my brain with search! :-) (guess it must be important so I'll stay...but really weird
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
How much time does it really use?
- ledretch
matters because i want to know what is happening RIGHT NOW! I want to know what's happened in the last hour, day, and so on
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
How do you filter through the noise in real-time?
- Charbax
that's the really big issue Charbax, how do you filter the noise, and how do you filter for relevance
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
real time search is largely a different beast than indexed searches in google
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
doesn't replace it it augments it
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
google does something similar noe doesnt it?
- goutham
one riot sounds exciting with the searching the links and the content
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Google just added "Recent results" in Google Search Options
- Charbax
Google will be real-time in 2010, see the math here: http://www.satine.org/archive...
- Charles Ying
I especially like how the one riot scheme seems to be protected against spam, and against gaming the system as one can game trending topics on twitter or digg stories etc.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
The more I'm hearing, the more I like the idea. Not necessarily about Britney Spears though. :P
- David Cook
VERY good point about the monetization by serving ads against real-time searches
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
checking out oneriot.....a lot of my queries dont get any results..is this because theres nothing recent related to my query ?
- goutham
Facebook is holding me back with their manual refresh
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Real time search is great for on going events, such as sports, crisis, event related, but it is only a single part of the search dynamic
- Kim Landwehr
related news article: http://edition.cnn.com/2009...
- goutham
Since when is Real Time the new trend to focus on?
- Charbax
What % of searchers [people] require data that can only be derived from a "Real Time" search?
- David Damore
What has made Real Time search possible recently, I couldn't hear what he said.
- Kim Landwehr
It's only been a week or so that I have been more and more excited about friendfeed, I don't know what really triggered it for me. I'm still not interested in twitter though.
- Charbax
Holden: Mine isn't live
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
@Charbax Same here.... the streaming of posts....like Twitter.... but live drew me in.
- David Damore
David: At the very least journalists, and politicians and similar need data that's real time for sure....people in general are also interested in the real time news
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Yup the real-time ajaxy features of friendfeed are pretty cool. But friendfeed is still a huge mess in my opinion. But I see the potential for huge improvements just around the corner
- Charbax
People in general watch 5 hours of CNN in average each day, they are very hungry for real-time
- Charbax
Does Friendfeed create a unique number, like an IP address? this would allow for some sort of search to link sites to a person... think of people named Mike Smith.... which Twitter etc accounts are linked to the one I am looking for? A unique ID number would allow searches to be more accurate
- David Damore
there's a lot that people are working on about "localized relevance" like that "the john smith that knows Robert Scoble" was robert's example a couple days ago
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Charbax: Exactly re: CNN
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
and then with 5 CNN's going on, I want to be able to drill down on that content in real-time as well
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Yup as soon as they figure it out, it'll be like a real-time CNN about all topics and involving all users on the web
- Charbax
Twitter and Friendfeed had the best real time search as far as I know.
- Steve Chou
Cnn Headline news is realtime for the masses.
- Kim Landwehr
It should predit value in the items based on previous ratings on each source
- Charbax
the problem with the twitter search is that it only searches the conversation...this is what I liked about the oneriot scheme....they go beyond the conversation
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
So if I "Like" a lot of Scoble items, his comments, likes and items should be highlighted on my view automatically. Without me having to manually subscribe to each user, each feed and stuff and then manually filtering through my subscriptions and activities within that
- Charbax
"Like" should be like little votes of confidence in a users posts.... those are interesting to me... Computer.... give them higher relevance. kthxbai ;)
- David Damore
For example, if you find my comments aren't relevant, there should be a "Hide" icon which then more likely hides my comments to the 1000 people in this real-time conversation about this event- At least hides them for yourself and other people that rate like you.
- Charbax
the problem with that David, is that in the quest for internet stardom, people game those likes (just like on digg) -therefore it becomes nothing like a vote of confidence, but a vote of popularty first, and later a vote of who has the biggest bot
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
IS this the tweet? http://twitter.com/jkrums...
- David Damore
It wouldnt vote the person up for others, but for self
- David Damore
I think it can be made safe for gaming. Likes/Hides only affect other users that have Liked or confirmed the relevancy of your activity.
- Charbax
That is the correct tweet, is it not?
- David Damore
Took 3 searches.... First on Seach.twitter.com... that was a fail. Link is > http://search.twitter.com/search...
- David Damore
Second search was http://www.google.com/search...
- David Damore
It probably took Google a while to get that as the top result... might have been harder to find for days and weeks after the event
- David Damore
IRC was invented in 1988
- Charbax
Seems that Search.Twitter is not pulling tweets more than a month old now
- David Damore
foobar
- Robert Scoble
It doesn't exist until google says so!
- Geoff Schultz
last I saw they were saying 50days or so
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
#sdforumrealtime my hash tag.
- Robert Scoble
doesn't the hashtag help exclude for words that are common?
- David Damore
@guruvan (Rob Nelson): tried a search for the url of the twitpic... not going back a month. Here is the search > http://search.twitter.com/search...
- David Damore
wouldn't surprise me that they can't keep even that together. too much oprah not enough geeks ---- This just in from Jesse Stay: Did Twitter Just Kill #followfriday? http://friendfeed.com/jessest...
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Why Didn't PubSub Become Twitter?
- Charbax
Real-time will reach a large audience with Android
- Charbax
if you are looking for an interesting way of looking at geographic movement of Twitter users.... see text and video here > http://heyitsnoah.tumblr.com/post...
- David Damore
After people see an ad on a billboard... do they tweet or post about it anywhere... way to measure ROI of that billboard and location...
- David Damore
HAve you seen how websites that put ads on TV sometimes have some special characters after the .com part? Like > .com/offer55c
- David Damore
It's to try to track effectiveness of the ad
- Charbax
right. WHere are we getting good ROI... the ad I was referring to was for was for pajamagram... they had heavy ad rotation just before Feb 14
- David Damore
David: have you seen how many people are posting the audi-bmw billboard feud?
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
and David: re: hashtags Yes, that's one of my arguments for them that actually shows they can be useful (albieit in a limited number of circumstances)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Do you guys have any questions?
- Robert Scoble
How much extra bandwidth/processing is required for real-time versus slower static search? (Twitter/friendfeed crashing, who knows how much they pay for server/bandwidth?) Is it sustainable and scalable as a free service with millions of simultaneous users? Will people have to pay for high bandwidth/processing real-time services (like real-time stock info technology)?
- Charbax
I have a question for the oneriot rep: m...same as above, basically, how is it that you can index more, and more times than google in a day...where is the economy coming in that you can process what appears on the surface to be more data?
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
@guruvan Thanks. Re: Hashtags
- David Damore
One of the problem I have when doing a real time search during a crisis is knowing where the person reporting from, are they located where the crisis is or are they 1,000 miles away and just repeating something they saw some where, that why I think location is important. How is that problem being dealt with
- Kim Landwehr
@guruvan: Had not seen the "audi-bmw billboard feud" perhaps we can discuss outside this chat later....
- David Damore
Does the Twitter API have or can it contain GPS location information?
- David Damore
David: it has at least some location info. But I think it's global based on the setting in the Twitterer's account, not based on the tweet itself.
- Robert Scoble
Rock on, is this still live?!?!? =)
- Colin
yup live
- Charbax
why can't we just have a smart enough search to mix in realtime and standard (deeper) search?
- James Ostheimer
@Scobleizer: Thanks
- David Damore
It still is live. I'll try to get to these.
- Robert Scoble
http://search.twitter.com/advance... "Places Near this place Within this distance miles kilometers"
- David Damore
Comscore: http://www.comscore.com/Press_E...
- David Damore
tha'ts the real question James. for the short term I think we see both alternatives, and in the longer run, the more successful companies will absorb the opposite end-of-spectrum and integrate (ie. the standard search company will absorb some real-time companies) then you'll have what you want.....the issue is probably the fact that the innovation is going to come from smaller companies in most any market, and the long term stability comes from the old-hands buying them up
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
@guruvan, I ask b/c I am trying to do this w/ one of my projects (http://www.re-searchr.com), but all focus is on realtime now, not sure if that is a good thing or short-sighted
- James Ostheimer
James: as a small player, you have to bite off what you can chew. No I don't think its short sighted at all. I think it's realistic. It would be shortsighted to think that "just real time" is a "forever" business. the business is search, and the two will converge, but not until it happens naturally
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
@guruvan, amazing what a small player can chew w/ all the API's available now, just a few years ago it was much harder (if not impossible)
- James Ostheimer
How do tag clouds come into this? TweetStats has tag clouds... perhaps they would be used to see what topics a user talks about a lot... making them a sort of expert.... do tweets that contain one of their top tags get RTed a lot...by who? What are the tag clouds of the people RTing?
- David Damore
David: just because someone tweets about a topic a great deal doens't make them an expert. Think of how many "twitter experts" you see on twitter. it's very easy to game these trends it you want to. RT's are user for gaming stats too. it's a difficult problem to solve
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Just wondering if there is a way to create an algorithm to sort that out...
- David Damore
everybody cannont be on the first page of Google results... There is a way of sorting the wheat from the chaff
- David Damore
Goole needs to buy friendfeed
- Charbax
surely there is, but it's way beyond me. Everyone that I've seen so far, I've soon after met someone who can work the algorithm to their own advantage.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
@Admore, the answer is Yes, you can look at the links they tweet, how many times they are retweeted, the content of their tweets, and do some sort of expertise determination, it won't be perfect... again my project (see above) tries to do that as well
- James Ostheimer
@Charbax: Think you are on the $ with that. Re: Google + Friendfeed. Perhaps: Ads to the right of the stream.
- David Damore
@James Ostheimer Checking your link from above out. Thanks.
- David Damore
I'd love to see more of you project. (I'm definitely against the part about how many times it gets retweeted though, I know the RT crowd, and how they're playing the game) but nonetheless it sounds like an interesting project
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
feeds.google.com it could be called
- Charbax
Agreed, I prefer tunkrank (google that :) ) to # retweets, I actually don't use RT as a metric, just mentioning one could... the url to look at is: http://www.re-searchr.com/recomme... I am not in love w/ the results yet, but it is a start.
- James Ostheimer
chekcing it now :-)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
should I get proper response to any other than the search you sent me to? the first one I did failed with an error
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Sometimes I have been getting proxy errors, when twitter takes forever to return, but technically it should work... what was the query?
- James Ostheimer
"social media" -No surprise that twitter takes forever. especially after they pissed everyone off tonight
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
To really make this work well I need to start sucking down the firehose, not even sure how to start that process :)
- James Ostheimer
that's apparently reserved for "trusted partners" you might see if you can ask Robert or Paul
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
wow, loads of great comments here. i should have had my laptopo open while we were talking! hit me up @tobiaspeggs if you have any more specific questions about OneRiot - i'd be delighted to respond!
- Tobias Peggs
tobias: I will be hitting you up. I'm going to run a piece on the new search battle that's heating up, and would love to chat.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
great job hosting this Robert. I posted about it on SiliconAngle.com - this little event has a huge meaning especially in light of google's searchology.. check out the post. Robert we are developing real time search stuff in SiliconAngle Labs - I haven't officially announced it but SiliconAngle Labs has been operational for over 6 months.. love to tell you about it.. it's a group of entrepreneurs and developers just hanging around in the garage...
- John Furrier
Here is the link on SiliconAngle.com http://www.siliconangle.com/ver2... Google is further along in search than most people think
- John Furrier
[Et vlan !] Warner Music : une dépréciation d’Imeem qui en dit long sur la stratégie des majors http://www.zdnet.fr/blogs...
Je tweet donc je suis (heu… je suis quoi déjà ?) - http://www.fredcavazza.net/2009...
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... old school, dirait un Friendfeeder ;)
- Jérôme Flipo
Old school ? Bah dis donc tu as une longueur d'avace !
- Fred CAVAZZA
Happy morning, good mood. Mraz is a mix of Jamiroquai, Craig David and Mika... ♫ http://blip.fm/profile...
Re: Followés vous serez.. - http://mickou.tumblr.com/post...
"C'est complètement ça.. et dans le cas de twitter [ j'en parle ici : http://is.gd/j6Tv ], l'effet est démultiplié par la proximité, la réactivité et l'ample choix d'opinions contradictoires et expériences différentes qu'on y trouve !"
- MiKE
Re: mickou.info - http://mickou.tumblr.com/post...
"Oui, c'est la parano actuelle.. En France, elle a été largement entretenue par des médias " concurrents " (avec un reportage alarmiste et mensonger dans Envoyé Spécial notamment). Au Mexique, c'est quasi compréhensible car il y a eu de rares exemples de gamins qui ont eu des ennuis après avoir indiqué où ils habitaient, ce qu'ils faisaient.. mais ces mêmes problèmes (et cette même paranoïa pour un outil en ligne) ne date pas de FB mais des mails, de l'IRC puis des blogs, de Myspace, etc... Je trouve que l'outil est une excellente façon de présenter à l'enfant ce qu'il est possible ou non de faire en ligne !"
- MiKE
Re: mickou.info - http://mickou.tumblr.com/post...
"Les gens [ qui ont déjà surfé en ligne ou envoyé un mail, mais combien sont-il au Chiapas ou dans des villages du Michoacan ?] sont en effet demandeurs et je ne conteste pas ce fait.. Ce qui m'attriste est de voir que politique et entrepreneurs ne font rien pour permettre une meilleure couverture (géographique, concurrentielle et technologique) du média à travers la population. Savais tu que.. entre autre.. Le Mexique est l'un des 2 seuls pays de l'OCDE à ne pas avoir encore pratiqué le dégroupage totale de la boucle locale (qui permettrait à d'autres entreprises de passer par les réseaux de l'opérateur historique et ainsi développerait la concurrence) ! Telcel, par exemple, y détient 79% du marché de la téléphonie mobile.. C'est aussi le pays où les coûts à parité de pouvoir d'achat (car comparons en effet ce qui est comparable) sont les plus élevés de la région.. De fait, le Mexique possède le 2ème plus petit nombre d'abonnés par habitants à la fois à l'internet par lignes fixes et..."
- MiKE
Re: mickou.info - http://mickou.tumblr.com/post...
"Comme je le disais, en France les jeunes sont sur les Skyblogs et pas tous no plus sur Fb. J'ai cherché un site ayant connu un développement mondial conséquent ( comme je l'avais fait en septembre 2007 avec twitter : http://is.gd/iE1s ) et à part facebook, je n'ai rien trouvé permettant de faire apparaitre ainsi un décalage que l'on voit quotidiennement ici !"
- MiKE
Re: mickou.info - http://mickou.tumblr.com/post...
"La volonté de... ?! Je doute franchement qu'en empêchant la concurrence et en freinant le développement des applications les plus usités dans le reste du monde, on arrive à démontrer à la population que cet outil peut les aider grandement ! Heureusement, cela change mais trop doucement ! Un exemple : Jusqu'à il y a peu, seul Telmex permettait aux gens de Tequila et des environs [50 000 personnes quand même] de se connecter : 999 pesos pour du 2Mo !! Si tu n'avais pas d'ordi, Telmex te vendait un Dell (c'est encore le cas) 2000 pesos plus cher que le même produit vu sur Dell México ! Depuis 3 mois est arrivé Telecable : 99 pesos le 1Mo et à peine 300 le 6Mo via lequel je t'écris.. Quand je suis allé résilier mon abonnement chez Telmex, j'ai dû faire la queue tellement il y avait de gens qui souhaitait faire de même et le personnel présent de ne rien comprendre, de demander pourquoi, de parler de catastrophe..peu habitués qu'ils étaient à la libre concurrence ! Depuis 3 mois, j'ai vu 5..."
- MiKE
Re: mickou.info - http://mickou.tumblr.com/post...
"De même.. j'attend tjs de les voir mais avant, j'ai bien envie de me faire un petit Guetta sous peu http://www.youtube.com/watch... ;o"
- MiKE
Re: Une femme qui en a (et bien grosses) ! - http://mickou.tumblr.com/post...
"..mais elle le dit face à ceux qui ont le pouvoir de changer celà (même si 80% des reproches fait durant ce discours sont de leur fait) ! Je ne pense pas que celà changera quoi que ce soit à la situation du Mexique mais quel piiiiied d'entendre une femme d'exception dire ce qui ne va pas dans la façon de gérer commercialement ce pays !"
- MiKE
Re: mickou.info - http://mickou.tumblr.com/post...
"Chaque pays ou continent a son réseau social préféré mais globalement, FB fait une percée telle que tous les endroits du monde (connectés) sont " touchés " ! Il reste cependant des disparités, comme en France où les skyblogs sont nettement plus utilisés que Myspace et autres, cf http://is.gd/iDzY !"
- MiKE
Re: mickou.info - http://mickou.tumblr.com/post...
"Privilégiés ? Sans doute mais je ne vois pas le Mexique comme un pays n'ayant aucune ressources, bien au contraire : Le fil de cuivre est le même, les ingénieurs télécoms sont les mêmes.. Seulement manque (comme le dit Denise Dresser) la motivation politique d'abolir quelques monopoles et la logique naturelle de faire profiter le plus grand nombre d'un outil qui va , poco a poco, changer leurs vies !"
- MiKE
Re: mickou.info - http://mickou.tumblr.com/post...
"En effet Renée. Comme me le disait un ami voilà peu " pour beaucoup, entre payer l'abonnement au cable de la télé et le surcoût d'y rajouter l'Internet, le choix est vite fait... Pour regarder la télé, pas besoin de réfléchir pour la majorité des chaînes " . Je ne peux qu'être d'accord [n'hésite pas à poster ton commentaire ici Sylvain] mais trouve celà détestablement " humain " (dans le côté pathétique que l'on peut avoir quand on privilégie la paresse au devoir de nous développer, comprendre, apprendre s'entend)."
- MiKE
Re: Le Mexique Vs La crise. - http://mickou.tumblr.com/post...
"OK, même si perso je le sens peu car travaillant avec des clients français et profitant, de fait, de la faiblesse du pesos [passé de 14 à 20 pour 1€] ! A nos deux amis, j'ai trouvé une itw remplie d'anecdotes sympas : http://is.gd/hHzk. Comment ca va sous le grand froid canadien ?! [ ici, il fait 31° et il n'est que 11h ] ;p"
- MiKE
Re: mickou.info - http://mickou.tumblr.com/post...
"Merci cher pilote.. La créa en elle même est un jeu d'enfant (sauf pour celle de celui qui va remplacer dans quelques jours le site que tu vois là et que j'ai confié à un ami) mais l'animation prend un temps fou.. que, tout comme toi, je ne passe pas à répondre 100 fois aux mêmes questions de mes amis et de ma famille ! A ce propos, j'aime bcp ton blog, que souhaiterais tu changer ?"
- MiKE
Re: mickou.info - http://mickou.tumblr.com/post...
"Bjr - Je crois imaginer lequel. Je vous ai envoyé un mail à ce sujet."
- MiKE
Re: + menteur & branleur qu'un mécanicien mexicain ? - http://mickou.tumblr.com/post...
"Jajajaja.. j'ai comme l'impression que tes allers/retours répétés pour réparer ta majorette t'ont un brin énervé ;-)"
- MiKE
Re: Violée ? C'est votre faute.. Amen ! - http://mickou.tumblr.com/post...
"Pas faux.. Face à tant d'hypocrisie religieuse et de comportement déviants (comme ils disent), mieux vaut parfois en rire. Pour celà, rien de mieux que http://www.molleindustria.org/en...... !"
- MiKE
Re: Violée ? C'est votre faute.. Amen ! - http://mickou.tumblr.com/post...
"Et pas le pire de ce qui a pû être dit durant ces " rencontres " ! J'ai vu quelques extraits sur une télé locale et j'ai heureusement zappé avant d'aller gerber ;-("
- MiKE
Re: mickou.info - http://mickou.tumblr.com/post...
"C'est à peu de choses près l'idée que je me fais de la plupart des religions : nées d'un besoin, elles sont avant tout une réponse à une peur, une solution face à un vide (existentiel). Maintenant, le plus étonnant pour moi est que quand je le dis, on m'accuse souvent d'être un extrémiste athée [ http://is.gd/gsT4 ] alors que j'ai le plus grand respect pour les croyants (sauf naturellement ceux tentant d'imposer leur idéologie, que ce soit par la force, la ruse ou le chantage : " si vous ne croyez pas en ###, alors vous allez bruler dans les flammes de l'enfer"). Alors que les religions ont le droit de proférer que leur Dieu existe, "celle" qui a pour principe qu'aucun Dieu ne peut nous retirer notre droit à la réflexion sur sa propre existence n'aurait pas le droit à la parole ? Ce serait en effet choquant, une insulte ou une provocation selon ce que j'ai lu en ligne."
- MiKE
Re: Adios G.W ! - http://mickou.tumblr.com/post...
"Pas certain qu'on rigole autant avec son remplaçant : http://is.gd/gf45 ;-)"
- MiKE
Re: mickou.info - http://mickou.tumblr.com/post...
"La " route " jusqu'au sommet du site est tjs assez myenne (mais avec un bon pick-up, pas de soucis) mais une chose qui n'a définitivement pas changé, ce sont les resto au bord du lac : un régal à chaque fois que j'y met les pieds ;-)"
- MiKE
Re: Miracle " à la mexicaine ". - http://mickou.tumblr.com/post...
"Malins et prudents !"
- MiKE
Re: mickou.info - http://mickou.tumblr.com/post...
"Pas tous, non... Y'a pire, aussi !"
- MiKE
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