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Facebook Now Nearly Twice The Size Of MySpace Worldwide - http://www.techcrunch.com/2009...
Wow.
- Mike Scott
Internet Explorer 8 is 6,000x better than IE6, but it still bugs me. Google Chrome is the future. Here's why:
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1. Google Chrome is way faster.
- Robert Scoble
2. Google Chrome is a rethink. IE8 is a bug fix.
- Robert Scoble
3. Google Chrome has one box. IE 8 has two.
- Robert Scoble
Google Chrome is very light weight (including the UI)
- Vaibhav
4. Google Chrome works better with Google Reader and other AJAX sites.
- Robert Scoble
5. IE8 has too many menus and icons. Gives a real cluttered feel.
- Robert Scoble
IE's been a glorified bug fix since MS relabeled it from Mosaic, Robert - no secret there. :) I'm loving Chrome.
- teleken
WebKit is a really good rendering engine. I've always secretly wished IE8 would use WebKit as their rendering engine and scrap IE rendering, and somehow incorporate ActiveX and all of the IE features into it, since WebKit is open-source, not tied to a specific competitor (as opposed to Gecko and Firefox) and is fast and stable. – Have to agree about Google Chrome as well. It's a great browser. As much as I love Safari, I wish Chrome would come to Mac sooner :)
- Mark Bao
6. Google Chrome's search integration is magic. Start typing something and it figures out what you want. IE8 waits for you to finish, then brings up a boring web page.
- Robert Scoble
Any others?
- Robert Scoble
When it finally works on a Mac, perhaps I'll believe you ;)
- Jeff
If it didn't bug someone it wouldn't still be Internet Explorer.
- Josh Sharp
Looks like WebKit is the future, all mobile browsers have started using it.
- Vaibhav
Google Chrome and FLASH don't get along!
- paul mooney
Now I just wish Chrome worked better with Flash, or Flash worked better with Chrome.
- Dennis Jackson
Google Chrome is focused on internet. IE seems to mix to much other junk in
- Mike Scott
By the way, I wrote this whole item in IE8 running on Windows 7. If you are still going to use IE, please do get IE8. It is much better than previous versions.
- Robert Scoble
Not a big fan of IE or Chrome... I'll stick with FireFox.
- Steven Sanders
Google Chrome is slick...but I still like the simplicity of FireFox.
- Charlie Flowers
I love Google Chrome, I just wish the addon's started rolling out.
- Michael Fidler
Because the browser is a commodity... Connecting (correction - Deep Integration) with Google's cloud based services is the secret sauce.
- Brian Roy
I still need to play with Chrome in order to form an educated opinion. I'm just too hung up on Firefox still. :P
- Korey
Charlie: simplicity of Firefox? You've gotta be kidding, right? I love Firefox because of its complexity! (Plugins keep me there a lot of the time).
- Robert Scoble
Timely thread. I literally installed Google Chrome on my home computer within the last half hour (hey, I'm slow at these things - I'm not trendy). Just poking around a bit now, liking the speed. StumbleUpon support is an issue, but I'm reading up on it and other stuff. Just read Sarah Perez's post on privacy.
- Ontario Emperor
I h ave never been a fan of ActiveX. The fact that several websites still rely on it versus better technologies irks me and I refuse to use them.
- Jason Shultz
from twhirl
hope they add the tabs preview to Windows 7 when you hover over the taskbar chrome icon
- Vaibhav
Paul: Google Chrome gets along fine with Flash here. What are you experiencing?
- Robert Scoble
Yeah, I have to admit, IE8 is a pretty good browser, relatively speaking (relative to IE7 and IE6.) Renders my pages a ton better than previous versions.
- Mark Bao
Flash slows down Chrome for me pretty significantly, sometimes to where it's not even usable. Maybe it's just my computer.
- Dennis Jackson
How is IE6 a basis for comparison to anything anymore? Totally agree about Chrome.
- Bob Starr
loved chrome until I found out it wasn't compatible with my Roboform. I'm lazy and not too security conscious.
- BEX
IE 8 was supposed to be more compliant with standards, but it breaks a lot of websites which work in IE7, FF, Chrome. (Scratching my head)
- Vaibhav
Amen on the 'IE mixing other junk in' thought. I hate typing a hostname into it & it tries to hit a UNC or whatever the heck it's doing...
- Steven Byrnes
Chrome has a whole list of niggling problems and has had since day one -- they just never seem to get fixed. I like the speed and simplicity but Chrome will become the next IE unless Google starts paying attention to detail.
- Brian Sullivan
Chrome lets you create 'desktop applications' that don't get lost in all of those tabs and don't waste space with the address bar!
- Jon Issler
I use Chrome from time to time, but it just feels wrong when I do, I think I'll be sticking with Firefox.
- Randy
I am with Vaibhav on "webkit is the future as well"
- Peter Finn
Val: Privacy is dead. I really don't care.
- Robert Scoble
Chrome's biggest shortcomings right now are password security and the lack of plugins/extensions... Have to give Firefox a nod for having those two nailed!
- Jon Issler
I think Chrome is Google's paid service platform... http://www.johnworthington.me/...
- Johnny Worthington
Google Chrome is like FireFox back when it was Phoenix: Sleek, sexy and satisfying. Beta 2 adds autocomplete, profiles and a Greasemonkey style scripting.
- John Rubier
Chrome has built in Task Manager.... anyone? ..... alright, never mind.
- Vaibhav
@Dennis check your fans. If your on a laptop the fans and/or exhaust may be blocked with dust. that happened to me on my laptop, any flash video slowed my laptop down. realized one day (after reinstalling windows and still having the problem) that my fans had a lot of dust. used compressed air to clean them out, problem solved. happy laptop!
- Jason Shultz
from twhirl
One thing I know I liked about Chrome: The web-comic! http://tiny.cc/9Ck9L
- Korey
I'm amazed at how many flash/chrome issues there are. Ive never had any?
- Mike Scott
Looking forward to chrome coming out for the mac
- Kevin Whalen
I still see that firefox is the future! unless google chrome will be a 100% organic software http://snipr.com/9u3ld
- Mark Guadalupe
I love firefox and plug-ins, but does Chrome need plug-ins? I thought their deal was to run current and next-gen online applications better, which will likely preclude the need for the plug-ins we firefox users can't live without now.
- Bill Garrett
Robert, I really like Chrome too. The universal address/search/history bar is the future of browsing. There are only a small % of sites that do not work with Chrome... usually old school corporations, such as ones that I have to pay bills online at. Grr. Works 99.8% of the time for me otherwise.
- Brian
I just installed the Windows 7 beta. I fired up IE 8 and it didn't correctly render a nonprofit's Web site I administer as a volunteer (www.spauldingcenter.org). IE 8 didn't correctly render some of the CSS. I installed Chrome and Chrome got it right. IE 8 is obviously not yet ready for release.
- Rod Bauer
from twhirl
I love Chrome and it is my default browser now. In fact all my flash problems in Firefox and IE went away in Chrome (video paused many times during playback, audio kept going). They are both memory hoars. Maybe a problem with too much Flash on websites? The lack of plugin support is very troubling.
- Chris Mayer
I'm keen for getting mac version of chrome too, though its going to be interesting to see how they're gonna handle interface
- Mike Scott
from IM
Re: 6. The search bar autofill? Err FF has that too for recently visited sites. If you get an Add-On it'll do the potential sites too.
- Adam
Google Chrome may be nice, but there was an "Epic Fail" on my system when Chrome decided that it was the default browser (out of four browsers) and would not directly allow me to un-check the Default-Browser checkbox. It was quickly removed.
- Robert Miller
I don't care about Internet Explorer any more. I switched to Firefox + Foxmarks, and solved a nagging problem - synchronization of bookmarks across multiple Windows *and* OS X machines - that the 'softies *still* haven't managed to solve, despite wasting a few developer-centuries on Live Mesh.
- Pat Rice
Love Chrome. Use it whenever I can. It does have problems with some sites, and I'm always having problems with flash crashing in it.
- cjmart
Kind of ironic that Chrome and Firefox and both performing much better for me under Windows 7. The beta Chrome release is really sweet.
- Charlie Anzman
@Pat: I use live mesh to sync my bookmarks between machines all the time. Add your favorites folder to mesh and you are good to go. Mesh for mac is available too.
- Chris Johnson
Google Chrome doesn't know what's RSS!!! FAIL
- carrotmadman6
I feel like people are debating the relative merits of tn3270 emulators...
- Brian Roy
I like the speed/lightness of Chrome, however i dont think it will be big anytime soon with anyone other than techies. Doesnt run many addins/plugins etc... Unlikely any enterprise will adopt it either. Its a great reference app.
- Chris Johnson
Chrome certainly is clean and renders fast, but until the experience can be customized via extensions like Firefox, there is no one way I can make it my primary. I just loaded Win. 7 on my laptop and the only thing I ported over from any of my other machines was my FEBE.
- George Rogers
Important point for me is that Chrome opens more of the monitor for the content on the page, not for toolbars that i do not need while browsing a page. no loss of functionality without the toolbar.
- Jeff DiStanlo
I wonder how many people even know what tn3270 is used for :) I know I do all too well.
- Patrick Allmond
+++ on this. FoxMarks is awesome. Just wish FoxMarks had an iPhone browser sync also :(
- Patrick Allmond
Any Flock 2.0 users here? If Chrome comes out for the Mac, I may take a look as well - but Firefox/Flock has been great for me for now.
- Erich Miller
@Robert: Maybe simplicity wasn't the right word..."ease of use" might be a better term. I think that FF's layout is not as radically different from the browsers I grew up with (IE & Netscape), as Chrome seems to be...maybe that's why I find it simpler to use. Having said that, Chrome is by no means complex, just not as intuitive as FF. As you mentioned, the plug-ins add to the ease of use. It seems you can get a FireFox plug-in for anything.
- Charlie Flowers
BTW, have you tried FF's AutoPager plug-in. That thing is amazing! It "automatically loads the next page of a site inline when you reach the end of the current page for infinite scrolling of content"...it's perfect for things like Twitter, Google, and yes it works for FriendFeed too. :D
- Charlie Flowers
I'm using Flock 2.0 on both Mac and Windows. I've uninstalled Chrome -- didn't care for it much since Flock does everything I need it to.
- Victor Solanoy
:hits the Googles to figure out what the Flock you guys are talking about:
- teleken
IE8 (and Firefox) offer a lot of tools to supplement your browsing experience. Chrome just gets out of the way. I'm not sure one or the other is a fundamentally superior approach.
- Toph Tucker
Installed Flock for all of 5 minutes. Sticking with Chrome, thanks.
- teleken
ctrl+t takes forever on IE8, and for what? A blank tab. I like Chrome's approach
- Andrew Smith
Firefox's is simple and extendable. Firefox' strength comes from its pluggability and ease of developing new plugins. Chrome needs to beat that.
- Angsuman Chakraborty
Chrome needs to support Linux before it can even think of replacing Firefox. Chromium port of Chrome on Linux isn't very stable.
- Angsuman Chakraborty
firefox plugins are the new activeX. there's too much functionality i use for me to shift *now*. i *do* like chrome, though.
- moogs
I like moving tabs into new windows, but does crashes alot w/ Flash
- Da
7. If one tab crashes, all the other tabs are unaffected. Let's see ANY other browser do that.
- Nathan Chase
i think i'll stick with firefox. so much more you can do with it..
- Terry O'Fee
Chrome is fast (unlike IE), has a very minimal UI (also unlike IE), and you can move tabs to other windows. I have never been able to get Firefox to open new tabs next to the tab they're opened from, instead of at the far right, plus I don't really care about extensions. Plus, I've never had any issues with Flash. The only problem is that my school email won't work in Chrome (but that's minor). Chrome wins for me.
- imperator3733
from twhirl
Robert - how is the performance of IE8 compared to Chrome and Firefox? Personally, I'd be using Chrome if I had my add-ons and greasemonkey scripts. I love Chrome's mult-tasking / memory management - very nice
- Susan Beebe
@Imperator, Firefox's UI can be slimmed down, and you can fix the tab issue with Tab Mix Plus. Also, Firefox 3.1 is faster than Chrome.
- Tanath
how bout: Chrome is CSS compliant? IE8 isn't, I know this by experience
- Duncan Riley
@Nathan -- as far as I know, IE8 separated tabs into different processes first....
- Toph Tucker
I think FriendFeed should put a comment button at the bottom of the comments... that said, Opera is the fastest, but it has a few shortcomings. I use FireFox or Chrome depending on what PC I'm at. Some sites only work in IE.
- Gus
Google Chrome uses your screen real estate more efficiently
- Aad 't Hart
Chrome focuses on the web and not on the browser and that's what a browser's supposed to do.
- Rohit
May be when there are basic extensions available for Chrome then it will be fair to compare with Firefox. For now, I don't see Chrome that useful, even though it's clean, a bit faster and provides more screen space. After a couple of days of using Chrome, I switched to Firefox as I felt less productive without the powerful extensions in Firefox.
- Amar Shah
When Chrome has an extension like Better GReader, TabMixPlus, and NoScript, then I'll switch, but FF has everything I need with the extensions. NoScript is about the ONLY addon I absolutely need to use for security of my computer.
- Ⓐ ☠ slayerboy ☠ Ⓐ
You can install extensions on the Chromium Builds! Go for it!
- Will Higgins™
love chrome as much as the next guy, but it does crash sometimes over simplest things, like downloading sth from gmail or greader. & it's not just one tab that goes - it all goes & only one comes back, either gmail or greader...
- siggimus
Chrome also crashes when importing Firefox Bookmarks, which makes it awkward to switch. But yeah, I would still use Firefox over IE 8.
- Todd Brunner
from twhirl
my mother understands the search-thingy-box in chrome.
- Svensonsan
@scobleizer I think this would have made a good blog post. Would have been easier to read you view points. The discussion could then have happened on friendfeed. Too many comments to read properly
- Sidharth Dassani
Chrome and WebKit are the future - just hope there's still room for Firefox. Remember how Firefox became Firefox?
- Mona Nomura
from fftogo
I agree. Chrome focuses on opening fast, which is critical for impatient people like me. Firefox and IE are way too slow.
- Richard Crocker
WebKit can do CSS3 gradients, and I have only seen it in WordPress for creating actual images with gradients. Chrome is the future indeed! Extensions? heh, I use javascript bookmarklets to do my bidding! Chromes bookmark manager is more powerful than I expected. Passwords can be imported from FF but there is no backup option yet.
- Web20Critic
Chrome is really promising, but still incomplete imo. Being a web developer, I have deep connections with firefox plug-ins like FireBug (with Yslow), dev. toolbar and a couple more. But looking at the future, I think the final round of the browser wars will be between Safari and Chrome (ofc IE will still have at least 50% market) because Firefox gets slower and more agonizing with every new release, and lacks the support Apple and Google offers for Safari/Chrome
- Onur Cengiz
If chrome crashes, report it! Make a note of what you were doing and blog it, microshare it, post it on the chromium blog etc. This way all of us can help make it work for us! Nice thread for tech support, Mr Scoble!
- Web20Critic
7. Because Chrome has a new and improved version every week/month/quarter (depending upon the distribution channel) whereas IE version comes once in 3 years.
- Varun Mahajan
Robert: How did you get IE8 on Windows 7??? The installer refused to run when i tried.
- Roberto Bonini
Roberto: it came with Windows 7. Or so I thought. I already had it loaded on this machine before I upgraded.
- Robert Scoble
How would you all define Frenchness?
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Cheese
- Håkan Dahlström
Frenchness is directly proportional to ones level of frenchitude.
- Will Higgins™
style, charm, and a bit of attitude, if you are Parisian. If not, then well...the term 'provencial' comes to mind, with all it's myriad meanings... :)
- Bren -- feeling merry
2-hour lunch
- Mike Doeff
Macarons.
- Mona Nomura
cigarettes
- sean percival
Lots of rich food, wine, and kisses on the cheek.
- Rochelle
Based on the French people I know? American-phile. Is that a word? I have no POR because all the French people I know can be dropped into any large city in the US and be at home.
- Admiral Anika
if only I could start another good war with the brits http://twitter.com/plastic...
- Loic Le Meur
Frenchness is a combination of large quantities of butter, heavy cream, cigarette smoke, fine wine and fine art.
- Christian (Simply X)
rahulrrao: @loic Anything that's got a "le", "la" or "les" before it? :-)
- Loic Le Meur
Chris_normal Chris_Hougardy: @loic Something Scobble would like to attain but do not succeed ?? :)
- Loic Le Meur
bruceprokopets: @loic An American really wishes their sex partner had your accent. Your Frenchness is solely based on how Americans perceive your accent lol
- Loic Le Meur
ledretch: @loic we never agree, but we always do it! =D
- Loic Le Meur
1938media: @loic A quickness to surrender, bad humor, mice in hotels, insane restaurant owners. Pepe La Pew. and you, King of the Frenchies in my book.
- Loic Le Meur
N618057730_7834_normal sam_piroton: @loic frenchness = 2-hour lunch?
- Loic Le Meur
nancycole: @loic you're asking "us" about Frenchness? must be time for bed. at least for me. and perhaps the French.
- Loic Le Meur
mattcampagna: @loic Frenchness = Class, good taste, craftsmanship, superiority, arrogance, and charm. To me, anyway. I'm only 1/4 French :)
- Loic Le Meur
plasticbagUK: @loic "The quality of being mostly at war with the English"
- Loic Le Meur
shefaly: @loic Obsessed with slow food, argumentative, smart but under-rated in that area, warmer than Germans/ British but generally aloof.
- Loic Le Meur
alexanderhorre: @loic americans are full of themselves; frenchies are stuck up with themselves.
- Loic Le Meur
willhiggins: @loic Frenchness is directly proportional to ones level of frenchitude.
- Loic Le Meur
hakandahlstrom: @loic Cheese
- Loic Le Meur
what did I start!!! ah. so copied a few Twitter replies to keep the conversation
- Loic Le Meur
A certain... je ne sais quoi. :)
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
@Loic - wow I was really confused. I thought this might be some new twitter-reply functionality from Friendfeed. Too bad it's not!
- Mitch
++++Jandy =)
- Admiral Anika
People who really know how to love life! Simple, elegant, smart, witty, lovers, passionate people. Also great cuisine!, cheese, wine, cafe shops, french bread, pastries, croissants! Parisian street scenes, lavender fields!!
- Susan Beebe
Wine. Liberty, Equality, Fraternity. Unions & strikes. Roadside cafes. Art. I've never been to France though.
- Arvind
@loic Revolutions ! :) People really showing what they mean and rallying to Paris for anything:) Just my perception, but Frenchness when it comes to economy; solid industries but dependant on state support and hard to change around because of very strong and hardline unions. And principles! The best free healthcare.
- Thomas Bøhm
French... bimonthly cycles of burning tyres in the streets :)
- Prolific Programmer
americans, with style
- Ouriel Ohayon
Conservative revolutionaries
- Bertrand Doux
from fftogo
2 hour lunch
- Sidharth Dassani
tongue.
- Mike Scott
dare I say: surrender ;-) before you attack me though, remember my great greandfather is burried in Bullecourt, and the day I day I'll remember my grandmother telling me how she lost him, and having full read his diaries.
- Duncan Riley
Bread.
- Roberto Bonini
my wife's suggestion was hairy women, but that's probably not helpful. Inappropriate protesting and immigration policies come to mind though. So does the koran come to speak of it...given the demographic shift.
- Duncan Riley
Duncan it is not only helpful it is totally wrong. I have never seen one in France in 36 years.
- Loic Le Meur
Wine, food, cigarettes, and a disdain for all things American.
- Cyndy
Why, love, of course. Is there any other more apt description?
- Steven Perez
A great cuff on a shirt.
- MVB (Grinch of FF)
other very french things: 1) a love of good quality things combined with an paradoxical tendency to cut corners. 2) loving to hear oneself talk, and 3) complaining raised to an art form (I'm afraid I have that third one, as a french-swiss)
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
champagne:)
- Igor Poltavskiy
Passion -- for its language, its land, and for life. I love the French. :-)
- Chris Baskind
Claude Debussy
- Todd Hoff
When I think of France I think of footballing brilliance - not so much now, but that glorious team that won the World Cup and European Championship - with great flair and great players like Thuram and Barthez and Blanc and Henry, and most of all Zidane ...
- Patrick Jordan
Still trying to figure out how Jerry Lewis fits in to all this.
- MVB (Grinch of FF)
Patrick, Thierry Henry! :D
- Rochelle
Zidane headbutt
- Sidharth Dassani
Rimbaud
- Mahesh CR
Frenchness = Liberté, égalité, loisirs (Liberty, equality, leisure) ;) #Frenchness
- Alexander Ainslie
Wonders if any of his friendfeed posts that are transferred to twitter count towards his limit... Any ideas?
API limit that is
- Mike Scott
Tweetdeck (blue) is beating Friendfeed (red) on Google Trends - http://www.google.com/trends...
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Amazing. Yet, I don't get what has everyone so wild about this app.
- Steve Rubel
from Bookmarklet
Same here. I thought it was a bit messy, and why can't you make the text larger?
- Steve Isaacs
I tried it for a bit. It is still just Twitter.
- Yolanda
For people who need a realtime feed, it's the closest I've seen—you can tweak your refresh settings for each function (tweets, replies, DMs, etc). I use its groups feature to make sure I don't miss tweets from close friends/family. Lack of keyboard control is irritating though.
- Dan Byler
I don't use it myself. I haven't had the best luck with twitter apps, so I am holding off until I absolutely have to.
- Martha
I find Tweetdeck more useful than most of the other Twitter apps I've tried. I use the search function to sort out tweets on subjects I'm actually interested in and I use groups to keep track of a few people whose opinions I don't want to miss (without having to resort to not following people who follow me). It cuts down the time I spend on Twitter. However, if all the people I wanted to follow were on Friendfeed I could do without Twitter.
- Carl Pruitt
When I spoke to an audience at CES a majority were using Tweetdeck. When I do interviews I see Tweetdeck on everyone's computer. It has -- overnight -- become the most used client for Twitter.
- Robert Scoble
I really wanna customise tweetdeck more, though I do like it.
- Mike Scott
from IM
I'm also really keen to see someone push the interface in terms of twitter clients, they all seem to be pretty similar (for good reason) - I just wanna see something unique, different, that pushes the envelope
- Mike Scott
from IM
Tweetdeck is definitely the best twitter desktop client. Best look, simple interface, and the group feature is probably the biggest perk.
- Alex Carpenter
I find the conversation on Twitter too fragmented. FF is my first choice these days but I like how it sends my stuff into Twitter.
- Steve Rubel
from IM
I love the features that tweetdeck offers. Eventually I'm sure there will be an app where you can have all the features you want but until then tweetdeck is the best from what I've experienced.
- David Spinks
I have used both and I am enjoying friendfeed much, much, more. Tweetdeck seems to always have small little nuances that irritate me. You can keep your statistics Steve!
- John Bellone
I made a delete on a box and cannot retrieve it in Tweekdeck.. irritating
- bcultral
I don't check twitter often lately. I'm seeking more signal here
- Toni @ NavinoT
I think most people are missing the dynamic here. Twitter is an input. Friendfeed is a gathering point. Big difference.
- Daniel Miessler
I just downloaded the sucker. I like it. Frankly, if they could expand the other Twitter-related apps it's tied to (it has search, for example, as well as a tag cloud), I'd be happy. Sort of a central point of the Twitter ecosystem for your desktop.
- Anthony Baker
gog.is simple google slapper - http://gogglis.appspot.com/
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"Ever felt like slapping someone with a google search, while in an IM conversation, chatrooms, or on Twitter? simply write http://gog.is and put the keywords in the url, like this: http://gog.is/clerks. This will redirect them to the google search for clerks."
- Chris Messina
from Mento
Why can't you just tell them to use their own search bar and google a term
- Mike Scott
from IM
Chris, you've seen http://letmegooglethatforyou.com/... - tuck that on the same shelf as gog.is (which I hadn't heard of - nice!)
- Micah Wittman
Oh, and my little pop-culture tie-in: http://friendfeed.com/e...
- Micah Wittman
“Internet Explorer 8 is 6,000x better than IE6, but it still bugs me. Google Chrome is the future. Here's why:” - http://friendfeed.com/e...
Healthy feedback regarding chrome here. Join the conversation.
- Mike Scott
President-Elect Barack Obama in Chicago - http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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Congratulations Obama, and thank you for an inspiring speech.
- Mike Scott
Microsoft is trying SO hard with the new ads... SO hard. Have a look.
- Mike Scott
lightning in sunset - http://wvs.topleftpixel.com/08...
This is so wicked! I wish I could get photos like this.
- Mike Scott
Human Skateboard - http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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Stop motion FTW!
- Mike Scott
DL.TV Video Feature - Kipnis-Studios : Cinema Beta - http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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I really really want one of these, like SERIOUSLY. This is an amazing system.
- Mike Scott
Will Ferrell at the espys - http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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Will Ferrell is THE MAN. Love that dude.
- Mike Scott
Why isn't Jaiku discussed much as a serious Twitter competitor? I just took another look and I hate the UI. Plus it's ssslllooowwww.
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FriendFeed is so much better it isn't funny. Discuss Jaiku here. I'll post more of my thoughts shortly. UPDATE: @patphelan says it's about people, not UI. I don't agree totally. Yes, if everyone were over on Jaiku I'd probably put up with the ugly UI, but there's a reason why they didn't move and we're moving to FriendFeed.
- Robert Scoble
anyone have an invite?
- Brooks Bayne
I tried Jaiku for all of 5 minutes. It was just clunky as hell, really slow (like you mentioned) and there was nobody there that interested me.
- Zach Flauaus
@ismaild says that Jaiku is not a Twitter competitor. I disagree. The usage model is very similar to Twitter and, for that matter, FriendFeed. Now it's not a very good competitor, that's true, but it is a competitor.
- Robert Scoble
It's still closed to new registrations. I wonder if Google is working on scaling the databases or if they've simply placed it on ice for awhile?
- Dusty Dean
i think friendfeed beats out jaiku because of the spartan interface and because friendfeed is like the only web 2.0 not in freaking beta.
- Tyler Gillies
Responding to @paulfabretti on Twitter. FriendFeed has far better groupings and far better search engine and far faster response time.
- Robert Scoble
Dusty: I'll try to find out what Google's plans are for Jaiku tomorrow at the Google Developer Conference.
- Robert Scoble
seriously and this will sound strange, its a geek hangout, I am clever than you syndrome, I know more about Nokia than you, used it at the start and love it but then a few hotshots came in and now they rule
- Patphelan
Jaiku have missed the boat. Twitter and FriendFeed have blitzed the competition.
- Michael McGimpsey
Jaiku is still in closed beta, nobody will use it if they can't get an invite.
- Graeme Shaw
Graeme: even if they let everyone in nobody would use it. FriendFeed kicks its behind.
- Robert Scoble
Pownce is awfully slow, too. Is there something fundamentally flawed about the numberless database queries that these services do?
- Dusty Dean
@all try meemi.com in the next days we release our API and Widget. For now not is possible that an user include "other feed" but this is the next feature. In the next time we share the our thread on other platform so every bloggers have a centralized platform for comment (like disq.us) ... we introduce the video and audio post so we have many type than tumblr ;) ... try we waiting feedbak :)
- Capobecchino (Enrico)
Twitter v Jaiku is horses for courses. Twitter is like a cacophony of cell phone users chatting on a public bus. Jaiku is threaded truly machine-aware. Its mobile client runs snappily quick among our workgroup, showing the city name of people and their availability. But if you don't have friends on Jaiku, it probably seems boring, or even too European. As Jyri could tell you during the GDC, there are distributed nodes on the GAE that Jaiku could use to great effect. Time will tell.
- Bernie Goldbach
Because it's still closed too..
- Xavier Moisant
from twhirl
if it is no good, why Google bought it?
- Jansen Lu
remember that twitter is txt while jaiku is the phone. combine with android. think again.
- kosmar
Can you still sign up for Jaiku if you're invited? Or, is it closed to all new registrations regardless of invites?
- Dusty Dean
I love the speed of FriendFeed's comments/likes/edits... I worked with some Social aggregation companies, and they were all kind of blah... Spock looked good extracting pictures and keywords from pages, but FriendFeed grabbed my attention by extracting the feeds. Wow! Just my guess, but the FriendFeed engineers are probably way better than the Twitter guys. Good programmers and designers making sharp choices.
- Mitchell Tsai
Hey Robert, it was me who prompted you to discuss this (via email). I like Jaiku, but yes it does look like Friendfeed is massively quicker. Something I hadn't considered before...
- Ben Gracewood
Jaiku didn't build the community strategically, by courting/wooing the people w/ the biggest social graph. We migrate to where our friends are. Where's their community evangelist? I attend many podcamps/blog/social media events, never seen them there. Not even signage. You have to be IN community to create one.
- annie heckenberger
To get the true T vs. J comparison, you need to run m.twitter.com on a cell phone against the Jaiku client on a cell phone. You need to have smart friends in both settings. Then land in a foreign place and ask your mobile client a question. If you have smart friends in both use cases, you'll have a meaningful shoot-out. If all your posse hangs out in one kingdom, you've already made your microblogging choice.
- Bernie Goldbach
and you need invitation.....
- Laurentiu
Bernie, could you explain that node system quickly?
- Fredrik Nordmoen
Who needs an invite?
- Raanan Avidor
I just signed into my Jaiku account (forgot I had one) and I don't follow anybody. Why? Because it's boring. FriendFeed and Twitter have all the talk going on.
- Zach Flauaus
I suppose I need to properly use it before I launch a barrage of criticisms.
- Dusty Dean
you can't check friendfeed from twitter, but you can check twitter from friendfeed
- Tyler Gillies
i need invite please
- Tyler Gillies
Jaiku is being remodelled to work on app engine and was showed of as part of the app engine announcements, also a UI cleanup?
- Mike Scott
It's amazing how much an easy and fast sign up process will attract new users. I had a friend this evening who was only moderately interested in Twitter take the plunge because the sign up was such a snap.
- Dusty Dean
OK, two huge things missing from Friendfeed are SMS and IM integration
- Ben Gracewood
I've always prefered Jaiku, I liked the extra functionality it had that Friendfeed has now implemented, but it was like being in a fun fair on your own, great for a while, but ultimately quite dull with no-one to share it with.
- Stuart Grimshaw
I don't see any differenc abotu what we are doing here than we would on Jaiku. Different UI siure (although you might argue that Jaiku layout was the insipiration for Apple's threaded SMS conversations on the iPhone!). There is equal access to a wide variety of content that users bring into FF/Jaiku (blogs, feeds, flickr etc.) and can discuss each. Furthermore, Jaiku has a fantastic mobile app. FF doesn't even have a mobile site!
- Paul Fabretti
People will use any platform if it works and 'feels right.' For me, Jaiku feels all wrong.
- Jim Connolly
email for invite is tjgillies@gmail.com and as far as mobile integration for FF isn't there fftogo.com?
- Tyler Gillies
To sum up my thoughts. Jaiku = closed, then they won't have the same amount of users as Twitter and/or FF. In the end it's the number of users who decides, I'm not going to join a social-friend-something when all my friends are using another service.
- Fredrik Nordmoen
Paul: I use FF all the time from my iPhone and Nokia phones. Works just fine and I like it better than trying to load some software on my phone.
- Robert Scoble
I'm in Jaiku also and while I like some of it, FriendFeed+Twitter is generally much nicer combination of tools for conversation.
- Daniel Schildt
I don't know if anyone has noticed but Facebook has added several more services to their 'Import' feature on the mini-feed. It goes beyond Digg, Flickr, and Picasa now to a few more services. It's something they should have done a long time ago and they are still not utilizing all of the possible services out there.
- Dusty Dean
used to use jaiku more than twitter but jaiku was always bogging down, and didn't have a mobile friendly site [dunno if they already have 1 now], i liked that you could feed it stuff like rss from your blogs or flickr streams etc. but in the end i just fed twitter to jaiku.
- Vincent B Castro
FriendFeed is so fast and you can pull in feeds from all over. It seems like such a winning model at the moment. I'm impressed at how fast my Twitter updates appear on FF as it seems like it's real time.
- Dusty Dean
@Fredrik Nordmoen On my Nokia S60 edition phones, Jaiku knows where it is located in the world. So when I walked Copenhagen, Jaiku showed me the name of the borough where it was connected to the 3G network. In Ireland, Jaiku tells people the name of the nearest city when my phone attaches itself to a nearby cell mast. When I am using my phone for some data tasks, Jaiku shows me as a green dot. When I change my phone's profile to a silent one, Jaiku shows me as a red (unavailable) dot. This is handy for me,
- Bernie Goldbach
@Robert fair point, although having used Jaiku since "the early days", mobile browsing has come on somewhat! iPhone being the case in point!
- Paul Fabretti
I don't find Pownce to be slow at all and it's more functional than Jaiku.
- Amit Morson
@Bernie I didn't know that about Jaiku. That's really impressive. Twitter seems so lightweight and heavily dependent upon the API developers for innovation.
- Dusty Dean
It should really be Jaiku v. Friendfeed, not Jaiku v. Twitter.
- Rubin Sfadj
The size and speed of this discussion thread has just made me a convert from Jaiku to Friendfeed. Seriously.
- Ben Gracewood
anyone have any invites for jaiku? :)
- Tyler Gillies
@Rubin. I think you have something there, although let me throw this in from October last year http://blendingthemix.com/2007...
- Paul Fabretti
need jaiku invite? go here to grab: http://kosmar.de/archive...
- kosmar
@Ben I agree. It's converting me as well. I had signed up for FF and Social Thing awhile back but had neglected them.
- Dusty Dean
Let's start a mass migration over to Pownce (just to check if they go down too on mass usage)
- Tapio Liller
@Bernie Goldbach, that was actually pretty nice. But I misread your previous post and thought there were no friends in Jaiku, but dependent on your location...
- Fredrik Nordmoen
i have an account on jaiku, but never found it useful because no one i know uses it. so i am still not too familiar with it. when i'm honest, i don't like the UI of friendfeed. i know I'm biased since i work on lifestream.fm, but at the moment, i do believe that none of these lifestreaming services are optimal. we are working to make lifestream what the users want. i have a nice list of what users want, but in the end, i still think most want something clean, simple, useful, and will ultimately use what..
- Jodi Church
friendfeed is the new jaiku now it has channels/rooms
- Adrian
..their contacts will use. i don't really think in terms of twitter vs. friendfeed or jaiku vs friendfeed. i prefer to use twitter to communicate. and services like freindfeed are aggregation tools to me with the potential to be more like twitter and beyond.
- Jodi Church
@kosmar, thnx for the invite
- Tyler Gillies
pownce is really great for sharing and community. lately it has technical problems as well. but i am beginning to think the entire web is broken. it seems all sites i like to use are having technical problems.
- Jodi Church
@jodi - agreed. Jaiku=better, but "no" users, Twitter=no features, no realiability, but 1 million users! @Adrian agreed. Could spell the end for Jaiku, although I think Google did that! Methinks they only have it for the mobile client to be used in Adroid!
- Paul Fabretti
Ditto bernie on the phone integration stuff. Jaiku Nokia integration is absolutely incredible and has to be used to be believed. If someone (hellloooo Friendfeed) can do something similar with the iPhone SDK, it will be a killer app.
- Ben Gracewood
i have 20 invites to jaiku if anyone really wants to try it out
- Jodi Church
Jaiku includes a lot of stuff that neither Twitter nor FriendFeed have, principally around mobile phone. Try using it on a Nokia S60, with the client, and you get location awareness - something that's going to be enormous over the next few years. However, I'm sad to say (because I love Jaiku) that I don't think Google will make much of it: according to rumour, apart from its port to Google AppEngine, it's now maintained as a "20% time" project. However, "Jaiku 2.0" may appear, as a feature of Android.
- Ian Betteridge
i just want to use jaiku so i have something else to feed friendfeed.
- Tyler Gillies
Jaiku may not have been quick enough in building the communities that Twitter and and FF have, but as I've said before what happens if it ships as the default Android address book - http://www.jonathanmulholland.com/2008... ? Would Google Jaiku care about failing to capture the early adopter crowd if they take lifestreaming mass market via Jaiku-Android integration?
- Jon Mulholland
Not a fair comparison, Robert. Jaiku has lain fallow since Google bought them. No improvements since then, closed to invite only. It's essentially a dead service. A year ago, when I left Twitter for Jaiku, Jaiku was way ahead. Since then, Twitter has gone nowhere, Jaiku was sold, and Pownce and FF have arisen, and I'm back on Twitter, arguably the least well designed and certainly the least reliable, but ultimately that's where the community is and that's all that matters.
- Leo Laporte
@Leo, welcome to the discussion
- Tyler Gillies
Leo, check out the response to Robert's comment though. I'd argue that the community is rapidly heading to Friendfeed. I always loved Jaiku's discussion threads attached to each post. Friendfeed has this, and is an order of magnitude faster than Jaiku.
- Ben Gracewood
I don't think FF is quite right, either. It's too scattered to feel like a community. A post like this becomes a discussion, but then it's lost in a tsunami of other content. There's way too much going on on FF to feel like a community. That's part of why Twitter works: it's all there in that timeline. (For better or worse). For example, to find this post to comment again I had to go to Twitter. You're promoting it on Twitter. Why? Because that's the best way to find it! What's FF minus Twitter?
- Leo Laporte
It's all about the community and the ease of service. Those are key. Twitter's features aren't heavily promoted or easy to understand when you're a new user. It took me several weeks before I discovered the track feature via IM. Truly, it's amazing that Twitter is still growing. It seems that the 'Twitter is down' image with the whale being carried by birds is becoming more of a running joke than something for us to get angry about anymore. We don't have ads (unless you're in Japan).
- Dusty Dean
google did a nice job of buying a couch cushion here. i hope that changes with android.
- MG Siegler
@Leo, I like the flash mob style of gathering for discussion and then disappearing into the "tsunami of content" it breaks the mold. its new and exciting
- Tyler Gillies
In a way Twitter encompasses everything that is strange and unreasonable about the new 'web 2.0' explosion. It hasn't established a solid ad model (unless in you're in Japan), continues to have VC money tossed at it, cannot scale properly,and continues to offer everything for free and asking nothing of its users in return.
- Dusty Dean
Microsoft has shown that they are not afraid to pull out their pocketbook and spend some dough acquiring services. Do you think they may have their sights set on Twitter just for the eyeballs?
- Dusty Dean
@Leo You gotta be where the people are at.
- Michael McGimpsey
Using this FF comments page reminds me of the old HTML chat days where you had to constantly refresh to see new message.
- Dusty Dean
@MG Siegler - agreed!
- Jon Mulholland
@Dusty If Microsoft got their hands on Twitter then that would be a reason to go to Jaiku
- Michael McGimpsey
I totally agree with Leo. Jaiku was seen as a Twitter competitor at first, and lost b/c people like to think that "less is more"; then it was bought out and frozen by Google. Now Friendfeed does the exact same thing, and it's hugely popular not b/c of its UI. It's b/c it's seen as a companion, not a competitor to Twitter. Jaiku never got that chance (or never tried to surf that wave).
- Rubin Sfadj
It can't be considered competition to Twitter unless it has SMS. Right now I believe Jaiku is the only one that fits that criteria. SMS is what makes Twitter in many ways - being able to update anywhere.
- Jesse Stay
honestly i didn't really start using twitter until i started using friendfeed
- Tyler Gillies
i also agree with Leo about FF being too scattered to feel like a community. i think the community (or communities) are still mostly on the services that re being fed into friendfeed. this is not a bad thing at all. but the ability to have some discussion on here is a great option.
- Jodi Church
Wow Friendfeed needs to do some UI work on long comment threads. Scrolling up and down to enter comments is lame.
- Ben Gracewood
Competitors or not both are community services. And the key of a community service is the community. UI responsiveness is important, but to a lesser extent. Take the example of MySpace, slow, ugly UI, but it has/had success. If Friendfeed were simply cool & quick, but nobody replied to your messages, would you still post here Scoble?
- funkyboy
Whats wrong with the UI Robert? Its a decent UI. And your initial argument over a year ago was that Jaiku was too complicated and you prefered the simplicity of Twitter. What has changed for you to now love FriendFeed? Because it is doing *nothing* new and a whole lot less than Jaiku did. Channels? Yep. Hiding feeds? Yep. Threaded conversations? Yep. And then there was the killer S60 integration. But alas, the service is dead now. Look for the reincarnation in Android.
- Jamie
"although you might argue that Jaiku layout was the insipiration for Apple's threaded SMS conversations on the iPhone!" - I think you will find iChat (2003) was the inspiration for the SMS UI on the iPhone.
- Jamie
@Jamie and regarding UI: how do you like the awesome Friendfeed UI? Scroll to the top of this page to hit "comment". LOL
- Ben Gracewood
@nzben I get the comment link just below the original post. Not ideal from a UI POV, but not terrible
- James Marwood
Does it stay up though? Can u tell I am twit-jaded?
- Kamath (नमः)
from twhirl
I need an invite for jaiku. My email address is codesurgeon AT gmail DOT com
- Mustafa K. Isik
i think the problem is that friendfeed didn't think that this many people would comment on a single 2 line message
- Tyler Gillies
the third screen is the battlefield.
- kosmar
Have 20 invites for Jaiku if anybody is interested - I only use Jaiku for my Danish followers - Otherwise I only use FF or Twitter.
- Christian Bogh
Let's wait until the guys at Google release a new version and see how it will integrate with other Google services
- João Almeida
from twhirl
I think Jaiku will be integrated in Google Reader soon.
- Svartling
I'd love a Jaiku invite if anybody has one.
- David Owens
To everyone Looking for a Jaiku Invite go visit http://JaikuInvites.com
- Ciaran Rooney
Jaiku in GReader seems a pretty neat idea
- João Almeida
from twhirl
I don't like all the feeds that I have to manually unsubscribe to one-by-one on Jaiku. It's all a bit to much in one place.
- Jamie Clark
Jaiku is simply not open to the public - if they don´t open up soon, they will loose the race anyway!
- Dieter Schwarz
from twhirl
I prefer the interface of Jaiku to Twitter. The problem is that Jaiku has no audience. Jaiku is like a nice looking bar that none of my friends patronize. It still looks like a nice place, but not much fun happens there.
- Phil Yanov
I think the reason is... SXSW. Hype. The fact that it has become the verb for the microblogging movement. I'm trying to get a jaiku invite, maybe it not being open yet has something to do with it.
- Evan Travers
@Phil, good analogy
- Tyler Gillies
Maybe it's a European dimension but I can update both Jaiku and Twitter via SMS. I get my Jaiku flow through text updates, something Twitter cannot provide so I'm stuck missing conversations during episodes of missing histories. Like an absent-minded bar maid, Twitter is there when I saunter by. But in the meantime, I've got dozens of friends, real and virtual, on Jaiku who converse in a threaded way. That's helpful for me, but I can see where some people want the craic of the A-List noise on Twitter.
- Bernie Goldbach
Jaiku isn't a Twitter competitor. Twitter strives to be a microblog *only*. Jaiku wants to be much more than that - and, frankly, doesn't deliver. It doesn't like the feed of one of my blogs (and f-yeah, using Feedburner!), the comment system is not as developed as FriendFeed...Pownce IMHO is a better microblogging-plus-some-lifestreaming solution... but hey Bret and Paul, add some microblogging features to FriendFeed!
- Cesar Cardoso
I prefer Jaiku to Twitter in every way but one. The people I want to follow are on Twitter. So there you go.
- CJ
I you want to beat the friendly UI with the sickly back end... you can't have a sickly UI AND a sickly back end.
- Nancy Babyak
Pounce is interesting but seems to attract a much younger crowd then twitter. It does have an import friend feature, first 100, and while everyone I followed on twitter was there, only about 5% had actually posted. Pounce does show your age by default. I felt old, but then found the area to hide your profile. I still like twitter the best. Twitter makes me feel more comfortable for some reason.
- Maxine Appleby
from Alert Thingy
FF has some serious work to do re: commenting. It's functionally broken with this many comments. Essentially it's the Fun Wall on Facebook.
- Rick Powell
Since Jaiku is closed to invites and FriendFeed is open and still has only a % of the users of Twitter, it seems that the answer is obvious as most say. It isn't about technology but people. I'd rather meet all my friends at a dive than try to look cool at a members only club most days. I'd agree with Leo that Twitter/Friendfeed together makes the most sense.
- Jay Gilmore
I've been waiting for an invite for months, that might have something to do with it.
- Cyndy
someone above mentioned it already but with so many comments, it's worth repeating - for jaiku invites, see http://JaikuInvites.com. I got my invite within an hour of my request.
- acedanger
jaiku reminds me of a basterdized version of twitter and friendfeed
- Greg North
I have a few invites. Add me to your Friendfeed (I'll add you in return) and let me know how to get that invite to you.
- Mike Lewis
Just to remind everyone the Jaiku was around BEFORE twitter and long before friendfeed, It has the best feature set and the best mobile access. Twitter and FriendFeed are all about the people A-listers like Scoble. Jaiku is about real community not noise.
- Ciaran Rooney
@scoble : I don't find it that slow or ugly, maybe a little bit confusing and not as simple as twitter but it does the job
- directeur
In my experience, Jaiku has not been slow. I use its mobile interface when I'm outside if Twitter is down.
- Morton Fox
@acedanger: Thanks for posting that link. Was wondering when someone was going to do it (I was about to!). :)
- Cheryl Jones
Jaiku is a bit harder to get into as far as finding interesting conversations, which is bad for the typical impatient Net users (many of which I've seen in this thread). But it rewards patient users who find interesting people to follow. I feel like the presence of conversation threads makes interaction a lot more fulfilling. This is also why FriendFeed is good, because of threaded conversations.
- Cheryl Jones
Who needs Jaiku when you have FriendFeed?
- Thomas Hawk
Jaiku may be slow, but not as slow as Pownce!
- Mack D. Male
Jaiku's problem is that it's most powerful feature is limited to Nokia phones. Everyone doesn't have a Nokia, therefore it gets missed. I've also said that Jaiku's implementation of comments is not as seamless as FriendFeed's. It requires an extra page load/extra step, where it's MUCH easier to join the conversation in FriendFeed. And finally, the community. Jaiku's community is not is vibrant as Twitter or FriendFeed. That is the biggest issue in my opinion.
- Bwana ☠
Personally I really like Jaiku - albeit it's similar to Friendfeed. I like the fact that Google is running it - so i expect support would be far better than FF or Twitter. It has sms which is lacking FF (and twitter doesn't work on my current phone, support is non-existant). I also like their rooms better since they have a better directory listing and it's more reminiscent of the irc for me. The thing that's lacking is the community, btw i'm pbrush on jaiku.
- Doug Brooks
none of my friends are on Twitter, Jaiku, FF, so for me the all suck as social networks. I use Twitter for status sync with Pulse (my business contacts are on there) and Hyves (my friends are there). Jaiku Pownce Numpa (dutch) aren't interesting to me. I use FF to subscribe to people like Robert and use it as a sort of Feed reader, but instead for blogs it's for people...
- Mark Jenniskens
What this conversation needs is a greasemonkey script that does a few search and replace manoeuvres: .replace('Twitter', 'Ford').replace('Jaiku', 'Chevy').replace('Google', 'GM').replace('FF', 'Ford Fiesta');
- Micah Wittman
If you don't like the look - just change it ;) I've just started work on a stylish extension for it and it's easy to strip out the bits you don't like. Besides, I'm more often interfacing with it through google talk, so then it's just a message.
- Alex Leonard
Oh, and the other thing I wanted to mention is that I've connected with an excellent community of web developers on Jaiku and often find it an excellent place to post questions to with excellent results.
- Alex Leonard
Is there a client like twhirl for jaiku?
- blacktulip
from twhirl
For those of you who dumped your Twitter and blog feeds into Jaiku and don't actually post there, you're missing the point. RSS feed dumping don't equal interaction. Once you get into conversations with people (as with FF), that's when you'll see Jaiku shine.
- Cheryl Jones
Jaiku has better taste with Jaikungfu http://jonas.lemonad.org/arkiv...
- A.T.
I think that the fact it's invitations only killed it. Even Google can't help them in this stage. It should have been integrated to some of their applications long time ago.
- Orli Yakuel
Jaiku is by far a superior service than Twitter, truly conversational messaging, great group discussion (before FF) ,deep mobile integration, reliable (most of the time) and is build on a good architecture design. The main problem of Jaiku is now Google and the number of users currently using the service.
- israel
I used Jaiku before Google bought it and it was quite boring, No one to follow or post to, and no apps as FriendFeed and Twitter have amassed.
- Randy
If Google doesn't open it, it will never be a *real* competitor to Twitter! I think if Pownce adds phone alerts, it could take Twitter down!
- Josué Almeida
IMO the true story of Jaiku stays untold... my impression that it had been done "on purpose", i.e. relatively cheap data collection of big size covered as interaction social service, to be sold later to GOOG :) mission accomplished, now on freeze/invitations-only :)
- A.T.
i think the UI of jaiku is kinda sexy
- Tyler Gillies
jaiku needs more features ;-)
- Google Reader
@z3ux I seem to get a lot of spamvites from Pownce, which is kinda sad
- Wil
Jaiku was experiencing some load issues couple of hours ago... which is quite unusual for a Google service.
- Wil
@leolaporte I am genuinely interested. search may be an issue sometime, but Twitter seems pretty scattered as well doesn't it?
- Ken Stewart | ChangeForge
Hey guys, Jaiku noticed this convo and blogged about it: http://www.jaiku.com/blog...
- Voyagerfan5761
Even Kevin Rose (founded pownce) uses twitter a lot, he says fundamental difference is that twitter is for communication, pownce is for sharing media...that is the difference in his mind. Idea: what if twitter merged with friendfeed and migrated over twitters to a stable, reliable ff w/ sms!!!
- Pokai
I was just forwarded a Jaiku invite yesterday and have been playing with it. To evaluate Jaiku, you need to analyze (1) the application (2) the third party offerings, and (3) the robustness of the community. So far I'm actually impressed with (1). As FriendFeed users will testify, conversations organized around an item are nice.
- Ontario Emperor
My further comments: http://www.lastpodcast.net/2008...
- Ontario Emperor
i like the jaiku UI
- Tyler Gillies
Any reason why a proven IM systems couldn't just add opt-in microblogging and commenting features? Seems like iChat, Jabber, AIM, etc. would bring more users into a Twitter-like world than Twitter can scale to an IM world.
- Kawika Holbrook
wow! lots of opinions. Jaiku is dead because it's closed. It never was bigger than Twitter because alot of the a-listers (like it or not) did not use it as a primary communication channel except Leo Laporte. Jaiku is more a direct competitor of Friendfeed (both are lifestreams). Also I hated the tools to post on Jaiku. Twitteriffic was way better. Jaiku's wworst enemy is Google. Why do they shut things off when they buy them. IT IS PLAIN F*#%ing stupid. when will they learn?
- DC Crowley
@DC Crowley. So what would you do after acquiring a company? Would you ask the team to deal with the rapid increase in usage (caused by the publicity around the acquisition) whilst also trying to integrate into a new company/technology platform? Or would you just leave everything the same and end up with dozens of little groups using radically different technologies? I also find it interesting and somewhat sad that you think the micro-celebs of the blogging world are the only people who matter.
- Adewale Oshineye
twitter, jaiku, pownce, facebook, friendfeed..........information overload......
- Thomas Chai
FriendFeed Bug makes it useless as an Archive - http://blog.yuvisense.net/2008...
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I can confirm this. Can't go beyond page 11 in my archives.
- Benedikt Koehler
Good. Now, can Friendfeed fix this?
- Yuvi
Posting this in Friendfeed Feedback might get better exposure to the Friendfeed team.
- Mark Trapp
Why is it you can't see all the people that "like" this? i can only see 4, and then X more people like this
- Mike Scott
Good question, Mike. The API exposes it: in Feedalizer it shows you everyone. I bet it was a design decision for the main interface.
- Mark Trapp
@MikeScott: I think the API provides that functionality
- Yuvi
@Mark: Done :)
- Yuvi
basically, you cannot get past the 300th item. if you manually change the url, from 299 to 300 to 301 you can see this. As long as the data is still there! :)
- Tim Hoeck
@Tim: Yep. Let's "hope" that the Data is still there (I know it is;)).
- Yuvi
But, this one goes to 11!
- Fa La La La Lindsay
I noticed this too. Good callout Yuvi.
- Hutch Carpenter
It doesn't go "past" 11, Lindsay.
- Yuvi
Yuvi, Lindsay was referencing a classic line from the movie "This is Spinal Tap" :-)
- Robert Seidman
I'm a total nobody when it comes to movies Robert ;)
- Yuvi
But still, this has to be fixed!
- Yuvi
Photoshop: 1 + 2 = 3 - http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r...
This stuff is WICKED. I'm going to have to find a photo to try this with...
- Mike Scott
@yellowpark yeah, FriendFeed shouldn't make it so easy to delete everything underneath posts, but where would all those comments go?
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It could replace their original message with "This user has deleted their account on FriendFeed." And the comments would still be listed below.
- Eric Florenzano
...Because the conversation afterwards can usually stand on its own, without knowing what the original item was.
- Eric Florenzano
I support eric flows opinion here: http://friendfeed.com/e...
- Mike Scott
Good point. But did you know I could delete just this comment cluster?
- Robert Scoble
Scoble: Please don't :)
- Eric Florenzano
I won't, but the point is that the person who owns the top level gets control everyone underneath.
- Robert Scoble
I even have control to delete just Eric's comment. Just like @kr8tr has control to delete all my comments on his blog.
- Robert Scoble
Then thats an implementation issue that you should raise with Friendfeed if you don't like it. I don't like it either
- Mike Scott
However I still fully support that fact that as a user I should be able to remove my data from a site. How that affects linked data is ENTIRELY up to the implementing website not me. If it is up to me then other users should get vocal about that at the implementer, not their fellow user.
- Mike Scott
I think there's some tweaking that could be done for moderation of discussions, but to make everything top level like twitter destroys the value of Friendfeed: I don't want to have to find every single instance of when someone talked about an entry scattered through my stream. I want to be able to view an item, and see the discussion of that item attached to it. The comments don't stand...
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- Mark Trapp
Mike: I don't mind it. It works just like a blog works. If I delete my WOrdpress.com blog all your comments there will disappear too. The only reason I'd do that is if I wanted to piss everyone off in the world at me.
- Robert Scoble
Scoble: That's not necessarily true, if that Wordpress blog has Disqus comments.
- Eric Florenzano
"...did you know I could delete just this comment cluster?" Don't Tase Me Bro!
- Mike Doeff
Wordpress.com doesn't support Disqus comments yet.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: then why are you complaining if you don't mind. You obviously do mind, you're moaning that kr8tr "deleted" your friendfeed comments. Classing him as a hypocrite.
- Mike Scott
you could probably delete every comment on all posts older than a few weeks old and you wouldn't hear a peep about it for a good long while, if ever.
- Robert Seidman
I agree with Eric Florenzano. deleting a top level post should leave a message saysing the author has deleted the post. the child posts should remain. FriendFeed is not like a blog that may or may not be hosted by yourself.
- chris dalby
Just to clarify my position: I'm all for having the position of data in, data out. I'm also a big fan of not deleting anything ever. People should live up to their mistakes - it makes you a better person.
- Mike Scott
If I post this in response to another FF member's post, this should connect to MY account, and their post. If one goes; the other stays, and vice versa.
- Karoli
Mike: >>You obviously do mind, you're moaning that kr8tr "deleted" your friendfeed comments. Yeah, I do mind. I mind that he took his marbles and went home cause he didn't like what I was saying here on top of his Twitter messages.
- Robert Scoble
Karoli: the problem is there's a limitation to how complex a database can become. FriendFeed clearly has given the owner of the top-level node in a comment cluster a LOT of control. Look at the control I have in this cluster. I can delete the whole cluster. If I do that, everyone's comments underneath are also deleted. I can also just delete your comments without deleting anyone else's. I've already done that to remove spam from one cluster. Keeping the system ultra clean.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: It doesn't have to be complex, just make it that the root content can be null, has a "deleted" field that gets set to true. Problem solved. As for the marbles analogy - thats what you should be attacking him about, not attacking him saying he "deleted" your comments. He made them disappear with his actions, true, but he actively left a service. As far as I'm concerned, he's certainly allowed to, but friendfeed should leave the conversation in tact.
- Mike Scott
Mike: well, clearly FriendFeed doesn't behave that way. I could take all my marbles and delete this whole cluster, for instance. Is that right? I don't know, it's actually the same powers I have as a blog owner, which is what @kr8tr was arguing for.
- Robert Scoble
Yes it isn't his domain to control, so in that respect what it does isn't nice. I never said I supported his original argument :).
- Mike Scott
If someone wants to "take their ball and go home" and anything annotated to their feed with it, fine. The "it's not his domain" argument doesn't really fly. If you take out a blogger or a wordpress.com acct the same thing happens. How is friendfeed.com/name really any different? In the litany of issues FriendFeed needs to consider, I hope this issue is a very low priority.
- Robert Seidman
Robert, he definitely owns his original feed post. He does not own my comments about it, nor does he own my conversation with other people about it. Just because he decided to stop interacting with us doesn't mean he can dictate that our conversation was null and void. I really hope this issue is resolved quickly, as the value of Friendfeed, to me, is the conversation. If conversations can disappear at the whim of people who simply don't like what's being said, the value greatly diminishes.
- Mark Trapp
What I meant by domain was the conversation point, for example think of a community forum 9 times out of 10 the original poster can only delete the content of his post, not the entire conversation. Thats what I'm talking about. This in my eyes is a similar sort of thing.
- Mike Scott
Seidman: I agree. This has already been solved. Mark: this is EXACTLY why I reacted so negatively. To put notice on people that if they started doing this they'd face derision. And worse.
- Robert Scoble
Mike, in that context I understand your point of view, but the feeds are not forums, they're feeds (at least currently in FriendFeed's eyes) and I'm OK with the way it works. If someone comes up with a new branch of physics via annotating someones feeds and then deletes it, I'd probably care more.
- Robert Seidman
Scoble: Good point, right now we're setting the community standards, and now this type of action is frowned upon.
- Eric Florenzano
I agree with most here... while the orig poster can nuke their own post (pointless, but ok) they absolutely should not be able to nuke my comments about it. What you write is yours... but what I write is MINE.
- Soulhuntre
from twhirl
not sure what this whole, YOURS MINE differenciation is about when its all collections of words aiming towards development of ideas- the idea is bigger than one person's words therefore it doesn't matter whose is whose in a conversation. that's what this is a conversation- you don't get to carry around your words that you spoke at Sunday brunch with friends and why would you when what you get to carry around is the idea that was formed during that conversation.
- Nathan Eckenrode
New Digg Comment System Video - http://digg.com/tech_ne...
New Digg comment system (update) video! - http://digg.com/tech_ne...
"http://digg.com/tech_ne... ..."
- Mike Scott
New Digg Comment System Video - http://digg.com/tech_ne...
"I love how kevin has admitted defeat and has just dugg it himself :D"
- Mike Scott
Mondrian, Just the First Internal Google Tool Be Released Via App Engine? - http://radar.oreilly.com/archive...
Might have to use this internally...
- Mike Scott
@osage wants you to delete me and Calacanis.
Well, as you know, I re-followed you here largely because the tools came along which let me handle your firehose of content better - ie Alert Thingy. Also, because I missed your banter of course :)
- Ian Betteridge
from Alert Thingy
I would love for a better way to filter the conversation. But I just don't know how.
- Mike Scott
Standing versus Sitting - http://www.37signals.com/svn...
An interesting concept this one, not sure whether or not it would work but I'm actually keen to try it.
- Mike Scott
Why Digg Should Be Scared of Mixx - http://www.mixx.com/stories...
"Is anyone else getting slightly over the digg vs mixx thing? Perhaps we should just move on and get to the good stuff yeah? :)"
- Mike Scott
Digg Refugees May Be Heading To Mixx - http://www.mixx.com/stories...
"Hear ye! Hear ye! Mixx = new cool. Digg = old lame."
- Mike Scott
Zooomr MIII Launched - http://digg.com/softwar...
"Well done to Kris and Thomas! Also I think thanks is due for Zoho, Sun and Dell. And a huge thanks to Robert Scoble for his efforts. Congratulations everyone!"
- Mike Scott
An evangelism opportunity--Help Zooomr! - http://digg.com/tech_ne...
"These guys deserve the support! Keep them in the game. http://blog.zooomr.com/2007..."
- Mike Scott
10 Tips That Every PHP Newbie Should Know - http://digg.com/program...
"What a waste of time. Those 5 tips, while good, are covered by many many other websites. A simple google search is more informative than that traffic-whoring website. Whats more is they say to come back for part two, it was created in 2005! wtf..."
- Mike Scott
Digg/Google Co-op Now Live! - http://digg.com/tech_ne...
"What I wanna know is how far this content gets integrated. Right now its just a onebox result, but will they start to tune the results so that our search results become more and more adjusted using this new coop tool, and the existing Personalised Search Results. Oh and WOW!!! No [BETA] tag???"
- Mike Scott
Firefox is the first third party product to be featured on Google homepage - http://digg.com/tech_ne...
"It takes you to the other link trvr said if you have firefox... If you don't have firefox it takes you to the IE version"
- Mike Scott
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