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I just activated the new Twitter feed, so public tweets should appear here almost instantly. It's still in alpha though, so it stop working occasionally. Please let me know if you see any issues.
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It's especially fun to see with the notifier installed (http://friendfeed.com/setting...) -- I pressed "update" on twitter.com, and within about a second it went through all kinds of internet plumbing to appear in a bubble on my desktop!
- Paul Buchheit
cool :) "internet plumbing" FTW!
- Susan Beebe
You sir are made of AWESOME!
- AJ Batac
nice
- Alfredo
I tweeted something and it showed up on my Feed automagically. Thanks!
- Helen Sventitsky
excellent!
- vijay
AJ, the team over at Twitter did most of the hard work -- I just plugged it in.
- Paul Buchheit
cool x 2 !
- Susan Beebe
Is this using any variant of SUP or something custom to Twitter?
- Phil G
wow this is fast. awesome work
- Alfredo
Nice indeed. Twitter is still useful as a conversational-starter for FriendFeed threads. This makes it better.
- Jesper Lind
very nice!
- Jay
It was neat to see the Twitpic come through so fast. Very cool.
- Heather Solos
Phil, it's a custom Twitter protocol.
- Paul Buchheit
Thanks, Paul.
- Phil G
Still Paul, FriendFeed received the update as fast. ;)
- AJ Batac
This is excellent, thanks!
- Aaron Draczynski
Perfectly instant! :)
- Mohammad Abdurraafay
Awesome. Paul does this mean that all tweets will be searchable in friendfeed or just the subset that are somehow mapped to friendfeed real or imaginary users?
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Edwin, only the feeds that have been imported by FriendFeed users are searchable.
- Paul Buchheit
Thanks for the clarification.
- Edwin Khodabakchian
I noticed that, superfast.
- Chris Loft
16 seconds from hitting return on TweetDeck to showing up on FriendFeed for me! Nice work! Never again will I have to hunt for the "Refresh Twitter" link :)
- Nathan Chase
Whoa - that is damn fast. Just posted a tweet, it was in my feed immediately. Nice!
- Hutch Carpenter
I'm actually seeing tweets here before I see them in my twitter client
- Matsis
A big "that is awesome" to you.
- Eric @ CSTechcast.com
Matsis, that's probably because (like paul said) FF is using a custom twitter protocol that your client is (probably) not using (yet)
- Chris Heath
Like this.
- John E. Bredehoft
twitter built it? are they changing their api up?
- Frankie Warren
I come back to some good news!
- Michael Fidler
This rocks. And yes, what Matsis said: I'm seeing tweets show up here before in twitter clients.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
(and if I had a mass invisible friend importer I wouldn't need a twitter client) :) nudge nudge wink wink
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Is this a two-way street? are outbound posts to twitter going through the same plumbing? I swear I'm seeing retweets as soon as I see the "Liked" item in my own tweetstream.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
So far, it's working brilliantly.
- Chris Baskind
Congrat's , it's lightning fast!
- Michael Fidler
An alpha release on a beta product....hehe
- Mark Krynsky
Amazing.
- Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
an alpha release on a beta product that performs better than the underlying mature product that it serves ;)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Yes Rob...Paul & Co. rock!
- Mark Krynsky
Paul, excellent, I'm loving the instant tweets, great stuff! :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
fast is also when you post something, it goes through the "pipes" across the world, and I get it right away delivered to my phone, wherever I am. That's realtime.
- Davide D'Incau
it is fast! SUP FTW!
- Anthony Farrior
Wow...its incredibly fast!
- Nicholas James
Forgive my ignorance in a busy week, but where is this 'Twitter Feed' switch located?
- Warner Crocker
Lindsey - just noticed that too
- Hutch Carpenter
It was just 5 mins for me.... Not with seconds.
- Alp
alp, is your twitter feed private?
- mjc
Alp, this new feed is still in "alpha testing", which means that it will sometimes get slow or stop working (which means that tweets could take up to half an hour). That happened earlier today, but I believe that it's back to realtime again now.
- Paul Buchheit
~1 sec here :-D
- immaterial
Documentation here: http://apiwiki.twitter.com/Streami...
- John Kalucki
Since Facebook recently copied FriendFeed's "Like" feature and earlier copied Twitter's "what are you doing?" status messages, do you think that Facebook was really an original idea at all? Maybe Mark Zuckerberg did copy the concept from identical twin brothers or a guy named Aaron Greenspan.
Charlie Anzman, Brad Kligerman, Jérôme Flipo and 34 other people liked this
It's well known he is not the originator of the idea, at the same time it's impossible to anyone suing him to establish a base for any claim.
- Amit Morson
It kind of frustrates me that Facebook feels it can get away with so much because it's so big. What if Twitter and FriendFeed had greater adoption in the future? The new users would consider *these* services the copies of Facebook, and that's clearly the wrong logic.
- Tamar Weinberg
Same as many believe Microsoft and/or Apple invented the Windows type UI.
- Amit Morson
"but they did!" ;)
- Tamar Weinberg
why not? should they remain in 2006?
- Sasha Kovaliov(.com)
You can't "steal" ideas. Who cares if Facebook has a like feature? It's not like FriendFeed was the first service to let you like something.
- Bjorn Stromberg
Was talking about this earlier today - it's getting a bit "chicken and egg" now, isn't it?
- Iain Baker
"steal" isn't the word I used for good reason. Don't you find it interesting that Facebook couldn't even deviate from the terminology used on sites like Twitter and FriendFeed? Why choose "Like?" What about a "plus" sign or a thumbs up sign (which they did use in the past, actually)?
- Tamar Weinberg
+100 Bjorn - this is exactly how I feel. FriendFeed didn't invent the "like" and if we didn't incorporate good ideas into our products, we'd be doing a disservice to our users. Facebook's responsibility is to its shareholders, advertisers, and users. So it needs to implement it.
- Ben Parr
Tamar - Facebook does a lot of extensive testing to see which term, button, etc. will work best. Knowing my friends at Fb, I'm pretty sure they tested that "like" worked best. It's the clearest indication, you can't use a plus or thumb sign because different cultures have different connotations to imagery.
- Ben Parr
@Josh - There's a lot of people who really only want to talk to friends, not to fun strangers on the net. We're the weird ones. ;)
- Ben Parr
Ben, you really think so? This was the first time it was spotted -- I have never actually seen Facebook do A/B testing and honestly I don't believe they do publicly.
- Tamar Weinberg
Why should they test it if it's already been proven to be successful in Twitter and FriendFeed?
- Amit Morson
Amit, because the demographic and interface is different? Why does ANYONE do A/B testing?
- Tamar Weinberg
They have the advantage because of the large user base. Bottom line. And they're slowly copying the best features from other sites to enhance their own. I'm not saying this is a bad thing nor did my original FF message imply that. I'm saying that FB seems to be a site that seems to do well copying others' ideas.
- Tamar Weinberg
i'm more keen on using fb especially as there are more people on there- i like how they are adopting new features that improve the service
- Nathan Eckenrode
from IM
Success comes more from execution than any other factor and facebook has certainly executed well. "Copying ideas" has a negative connotation whether you meant it or not.
- Bjorn Stromberg
Bjorn, I did mean it. Why do they really need to take ideas from other sites when they already boast 150 million users? You tell me?
- Tamar Weinberg
Facebook is big and profitable and in this country if you're rich enough you can do anything you want. :P But seriously, they can fool some of the people all of the time or all of the people some of the time, but the truth of who's responsible for an idea will always be out there.
- Aram Zucker-Scharff
If it's a good idea, why not try to implement it? It's silly to say, "they're already big enough" or "don't copy ideas" If you limited the web to only original services there'd be 20 websites instead of 20 million.
- Bjorn Stromberg
Josh, the nature of competition makes competitors become more and more alike, in order to compete in the web world, this happens faster than anywhere else. But it happens everywhere. If you want a good example, just compare the current Democratic and Republican parties here in the US to their positions as little as 16 years ago. Competitors becoming alike is a way of life,
- Aram Zucker-Scharff
I'd rather have FriendFeed rule the web than Facebook, but I consider them to be catering to completely different parts of my digital life. Keeping that in mind, I have no doubt that this will force everyone to innovate, because as they become more alike, it means they have to really reach to stay competitive. It's the outlying features that will be of benefit to us, the users.
- Aram Zucker-Scharff
Bjorn: I never said "don't copy ideas." I'm asking why they DID copy ideas. And yes, the negative connotation belongs because unfortunately with a company of its size, THEY end up taking the credit. If these features become widely accepted on Facebook, why would anyone want to go to FriendFeed? What's stopping Facebook from integrating all of FriendFeed's functionality in their web service? When do companies go too far?
- Tamar Weinberg
No, not at all, I like them being different services because they are different elements of what I do on the web. Facebook is mostly for IRL friends, people who care when I put up pictures of last night's party. Friendfeed is my place to learn, understand, ask, interact and work with people who I consider to be, at least, professional peers, and at most good people and friends (in the digital sense). I'd never ask my Facebook circle about Wordpress issues, but I would here.
- Aram Zucker-Scharff
Josh, I don't understand your question.
- Bjorn Stromberg
Josh, I don't think that's true. The principle is that the reason I, and I think most people, use FF or FB isn't necesseraly its feature set but something more intangible. I can e-mail you all my business information in a digital file, or send it to your phone when we meet through IR or Bluetooth, but that doesn't mean I don't still have business cards, even though both would fulfill th same purpose. This conversation would never happen on Facebook, and that's why the two sites will always remain distinct.
- Aram Zucker-Scharff
Yeah, but MySpace copied Friendster so there.
- Tamar Weinberg
so Facebook shouldn't utilize great features b/c they didn't come up with them? there is absoutley no good biz argument for what you're saying...im sorry but extremely unintelligent comment.
- stanleyyork
Stanley, you call my comment unintelligent and then add a half-assed remark assuming I said that they shouldn't copy the features at all. Did I ever say that? No. I merely observed that they copy a lot of ideas. Did I say they aren't allowed to? Absolutely not.
- Tamar Weinberg
The biggest success stories in tech are ones who both innovate and also copy other people's great ideas. Watch out for the Chinese. They are doing this better than anyone at the moment. You just don't see it. There's a Chinese Facebook clone that is actually worth more than Facebook itself (seriously).
- Robert Scoble
There's nothing wrong about imitation - Facebook's cleverness was to be aimed at the right target social groups at the right time, with the right mix of features and the right tone, and to be able to sustain the growth (not a trivial thing)
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
Tamar (or anyone), can you remember the launch order of Twitter...Facebook news feed...Friendfeed etc? Who invented what?
- mashable
I could never understand what people find with Facebook. It's plain boring. Of course I have an account there, to keep in touch with a few friends using fb exclusively. But if I'd need to vote for uselessness, it would be Facebook and ICQ, both perfectly replaceable.
- Torrid Luna
Pete, I think the order was Facebook news feed (not with any status updates) followed by Twitter followed by FriendFeed. But I'd argue that the concepts at the beginning were different and none were imitations of the others. After all, the momentum wasn't there. The issue for the most part on the later technologies is that Facebook imitates when there is actually momentum -- that's what I'm gathering.
- Tamar Weinberg
Internet Explorer 8 is 6,000x better than IE6, but it still bugs me. Google Chrome is the future. Here's why:
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1. Google Chrome is way faster.
- Robert Scoble
2. Google Chrome is a rethink. IE8 is a bug fix.
- Robert Scoble
3. Google Chrome has one box. IE 8 has two.
- Robert Scoble
Google Chrome is very light weight (including the UI)
- Vaibhav
4. Google Chrome works better with Google Reader and other AJAX sites.
- Robert Scoble
5. IE8 has too many menus and icons. Gives a real cluttered feel.
- Robert Scoble
IE's been a glorified bug fix since MS relabeled it from Mosaic, Robert - no secret there. :) I'm loving Chrome.
- teleken
WebKit is a really good rendering engine. I've always secretly wished IE8 would use WebKit as their rendering engine and scrap IE rendering, and somehow incorporate ActiveX and all of the IE features into it, since WebKit is open-source, not tied to a specific competitor (as opposed to Gecko and Firefox) and is fast and stable. – Have to agree about Google Chrome as well. It's a great browser. As much as I love Safari, I wish Chrome would come to Mac sooner :)
- Mark Bao
6. Google Chrome's search integration is magic. Start typing something and it figures out what you want. IE8 waits for you to finish, then brings up a boring web page.
- Robert Scoble
Any others?
- Robert Scoble
When it finally works on a Mac, perhaps I'll believe you ;)
- Jeff
If it didn't bug someone it wouldn't still be Internet Explorer.
- Josh Sharp
Looks like WebKit is the future, all mobile browsers have started using it.
- Vaibhav
Google Chrome and FLASH don't get along!
- paul mooney
Now I just wish Chrome worked better with Flash, or Flash worked better with Chrome.
- Dennis Jackson
Google Chrome is focused on internet. IE seems to mix to much other junk in
- Mike Scott
By the way, I wrote this whole item in IE8 running on Windows 7. If you are still going to use IE, please do get IE8. It is much better than previous versions.
- Robert Scoble
Not a big fan of IE or Chrome... I'll stick with FireFox.
- Steven Sanders
Google Chrome is slick...but I still like the simplicity of FireFox.
- Charlie Flowers
I love Google Chrome, I just wish the addon's started rolling out.
- Michael Fidler
Because the browser is a commodity... Connecting (correction - Deep Integration) with Google's cloud based services is the secret sauce.
- Brian Roy
Charlie: simplicity of Firefox? You've gotta be kidding, right? I love Firefox because of its complexity! (Plugins keep me there a lot of the time).
- Robert Scoble
I still need to play with Chrome in order to form an educated opinion. I'm just too hung up on Firefox still. :P
- Korey
Timely thread. I literally installed Google Chrome on my home computer within the last half hour (hey, I'm slow at these things - I'm not trendy). Just poking around a bit now, liking the speed. StumbleUpon support is an issue, but I'm reading up on it and other stuff. Just read Sarah Perez's post on privacy.
- Ontario Emperor
I h ave never been a fan of ActiveX. The fact that several websites still rely on it versus better technologies irks me and I refuse to use them.
- Jason Shultz
from twhirl
hope they add the tabs preview to Windows 7 when you hover over the taskbar chrome icon
- Vaibhav
Paul: Google Chrome gets along fine with Flash here. What are you experiencing?
- Robert Scoble
Yeah, I have to admit, IE8 is a pretty good browser, relatively speaking (relative to IE7 and IE6.) Renders my pages a ton better than previous versions.
- Mark Bao
Flash slows down Chrome for me pretty significantly, sometimes to where it's not even usable. Maybe it's just my computer.
- Dennis Jackson
How is IE6 a basis for comparison to anything anymore? Totally agree about Chrome.
- Bob Starr
loved chrome until I found out it wasn't compatible with my Roboform. I'm lazy and not too security conscious.
- BEX
IE 8 was supposed to be more compliant with standards, but it breaks a lot of websites which work in IE7, FF, Chrome. (Scratching my head)
- Vaibhav
Amen on the 'IE mixing other junk in' thought. I hate typing a hostname into it & it tries to hit a UNC or whatever the heck it's doing...
- Steven Byrnes
Chrome has a whole list of niggling problems and has had since day one -- they just never seem to get fixed. I like the speed and simplicity but Chrome will become the next IE unless Google starts paying attention to detail.
- Brian Sullivan
Chrome lets you create 'desktop applications' that don't get lost in all of those tabs and don't waste space with the address bar!
- Jon Issler
I use Chrome from time to time, but it just feels wrong when I do, I think I'll be sticking with Firefox.
- Randy
I am with Vaibhav on "webkit is the future as well"
- Peter Finn
Val: Privacy is dead. I really don't care.
- Robert Scoble
Chrome's biggest shortcomings right now are password security and the lack of plugins/extensions... Have to give Firefox a nod for having those two nailed!
- Jon Issler
I think Chrome is Google's paid service platform... http://www.johnworthington.me/...
- Johnny Worthington
Google Chrome is like FireFox back when it was Phoenix: Sleek, sexy and satisfying. Beta 2 adds autocomplete, profiles and a Greasemonkey style scripting.
- John Rubier
Chrome has built in Task Manager.... anyone? ..... alright, never mind.
- Vaibhav
@Dennis check your fans. If your on a laptop the fans and/or exhaust may be blocked with dust. that happened to me on my laptop, any flash video slowed my laptop down. realized one day (after reinstalling windows and still having the problem) that my fans had a lot of dust. used compressed air to clean them out, problem solved. happy laptop!
- Jason Shultz
from twhirl
One thing I know I liked about Chrome: The web-comic! http://tiny.cc/9Ck9L
- Korey
I'm amazed at how many flash/chrome issues there are. Ive never had any?
- Mike Scott
Looking forward to chrome coming out for the mac
- Kevin Whalen
I still see that firefox is the future! unless google chrome will be a 100% organic software http://snipr.com/9u3ld
- Mark Guadalupe
I love firefox and plug-ins, but does Chrome need plug-ins? I thought their deal was to run current and next-gen online applications better, which will likely preclude the need for the plug-ins we firefox users can't live without now.
- Bill Garrett
Robert, I really like Chrome too. The universal address/search/history bar is the future of browsing. There are only a small % of sites that do not work with Chrome... usually old school corporations, such as ones that I have to pay bills online at. Grr. Works 99.8% of the time for me otherwise.
- Brian
I just installed the Windows 7 beta. I fired up IE 8 and it didn't correctly render a nonprofit's Web site I administer as a volunteer (www.spauldingcenter.org). IE 8 didn't correctly render some of the CSS. I installed Chrome and Chrome got it right. IE 8 is obviously not yet ready for release.
- Rod Bauer
from twhirl
I love Chrome and it is my default browser now. In fact all my flash problems in Firefox and IE went away in Chrome (video paused many times during playback, audio kept going). They are both memory hoars. Maybe a problem with too much Flash on websites? The lack of plugin support is very troubling.
- Chris Mayer
I'm keen for getting mac version of chrome too, though its going to be interesting to see how they're gonna handle interface
- Mike Scott
from IM
Re: 6. The search bar autofill? Err FF has that too for recently visited sites. If you get an Add-On it'll do the potential sites too.
- Adam
Google Chrome may be nice, but there was an "Epic Fail" on my system when Chrome decided that it was the default browser (out of four browsers) and would not directly allow me to un-check the Default-Browser checkbox. It was quickly removed.
- Robert Miller
I don't care about Internet Explorer any more. I switched to Firefox + Foxmarks, and solved a nagging problem - synchronization of bookmarks across multiple Windows *and* OS X machines - that the 'softies *still* haven't managed to solve, despite wasting a few developer-centuries on Live Mesh.
- Pat Rice
Love Chrome. Use it whenever I can. It does have problems with some sites, and I'm always having problems with flash crashing in it.
- cjmart
Kind of ironic that Chrome and Firefox and both performing much better for me under Windows 7. The beta Chrome release is really sweet.
- Charlie Anzman
@Pat: I use live mesh to sync my bookmarks between machines all the time. Add your favorites folder to mesh and you are good to go. Mesh for mac is available too.
- Chris Johnson
Google Chrome doesn't know what's RSS!!! FAIL
- carrotmadman6
I feel like people are debating the relative merits of tn3270 emulators...
- Brian Roy
I like the speed/lightness of Chrome, however i dont think it will be big anytime soon with anyone other than techies. Doesnt run many addins/plugins etc... Unlikely any enterprise will adopt it either. Its a great reference app.
- Chris Johnson
Chrome certainly is clean and renders fast, but until the experience can be customized via extensions like Firefox, there is no one way I can make it my primary. I just loaded Win. 7 on my laptop and the only thing I ported over from any of my other machines was my FEBE.
- George Rogers
Important point for me is that Chrome opens more of the monitor for the content on the page, not for toolbars that i do not need while browsing a page. no loss of functionality without the toolbar.
- Jeff DiStanlo
I wonder how many people even know what tn3270 is used for :) I know I do all too well.
- Patrick Allmond
+++ on this. FoxMarks is awesome. Just wish FoxMarks had an iPhone browser sync also :(
- Patrick Allmond
Any Flock 2.0 users here? If Chrome comes out for the Mac, I may take a look as well - but Firefox/Flock has been great for me for now.
- Erich Miller
@Robert: Maybe simplicity wasn't the right word..."ease of use" might be a better term. I think that FF's layout is not as radically different from the browsers I grew up with (IE & Netscape), as Chrome seems to be...maybe that's why I find it simpler to use. Having said that, Chrome is by no means complex, just not as intuitive as FF. As you mentioned, the plug-ins add to the ease of use. It seems you can get a FireFox plug-in for anything.
- Charlie Flowers
BTW, have you tried FF's AutoPager plug-in. That thing is amazing! It "automatically loads the next page of a site inline when you reach the end of the current page for infinite scrolling of content"...it's perfect for things like Twitter, Google, and yes it works for FriendFeed too. :D
- Charlie Flowers
I'm using Flock 2.0 on both Mac and Windows. I've uninstalled Chrome -- didn't care for it much since Flock does everything I need it to.
- Victor Solanoy
:hits the Googles to figure out what the Flock you guys are talking about:
- teleken
IE8 (and Firefox) offer a lot of tools to supplement your browsing experience. Chrome just gets out of the way. I'm not sure one or the other is a fundamentally superior approach.
- Toph Tucker
Installed Flock for all of 5 minutes. Sticking with Chrome, thanks.
- teleken
ctrl+t takes forever on IE8, and for what? A blank tab. I like Chrome's approach
- Andrew Smith
Firefox's is simple and extendable. Firefox' strength comes from its pluggability and ease of developing new plugins. Chrome needs to beat that.
- Angsuman Chakraborty
Chrome needs to support Linux before it can even think of replacing Firefox. Chromium port of Chrome on Linux isn't very stable.
- Angsuman Chakraborty
firefox plugins are the new activeX. there's too much functionality i use for me to shift *now*. i *do* like chrome, though.
- moogs
I like moving tabs into new windows, but does crashes alot w/ Flash
- Da
7. If one tab crashes, all the other tabs are unaffected. Let's see ANY other browser do that.
- Nathan Chase
i think i'll stick with firefox. so much more you can do with it..
- Terry O'Fee
Chrome is fast (unlike IE), has a very minimal UI (also unlike IE), and you can move tabs to other windows. I have never been able to get Firefox to open new tabs next to the tab they're opened from, instead of at the far right, plus I don't really care about extensions. Plus, I've never had any issues with Flash. The only problem is that my school email won't work in Chrome (but that's minor). Chrome wins for me.
- imperator3733
from twhirl
Robert - how is the performance of IE8 compared to Chrome and Firefox? Personally, I'd be using Chrome if I had my add-ons and greasemonkey scripts. I love Chrome's mult-tasking / memory management - very nice
- Susan Beebe
@Imperator, Firefox's UI can be slimmed down, and you can fix the tab issue with Tab Mix Plus. Also, Firefox 3.1 is faster than Chrome.
- Tanath
how bout: Chrome is CSS compliant? IE8 isn't, I know this by experience
- Duncan Riley
@Nathan -- as far as I know, IE8 separated tabs into different processes first....
- Toph Tucker
I think FriendFeed should put a comment button at the bottom of the comments... that said, Opera is the fastest, but it has a few shortcomings. I use FireFox or Chrome depending on what PC I'm at. Some sites only work in IE.
- Gus
Google Chrome uses your screen real estate more efficiently
- Aad 't Hart
Chrome focuses on the web and not on the browser and that's what a browser's supposed to do.
- Rohit
May be when there are basic extensions available for Chrome then it will be fair to compare with Firefox. For now, I don't see Chrome that useful, even though it's clean, a bit faster and provides more screen space. After a couple of days of using Chrome, I switched to Firefox as I felt less productive without the powerful extensions in Firefox.
- Amar Shah
When Chrome has an extension like Better GReader, TabMixPlus, and NoScript, then I'll switch, but FF has everything I need with the extensions. NoScript is about the ONLY addon I absolutely need to use for security of my computer.
- Ⓐ ☠ slayerboy ☠ Ⓐ
You can install extensions on the Chromium Builds! Go for it!
- Will Higgins™
love chrome as much as the next guy, but it does crash sometimes over simplest things, like downloading sth from gmail or greader. & it's not just one tab that goes - it all goes & only one comes back, either gmail or greader...
- siggimus
Chrome also crashes when importing Firefox Bookmarks, which makes it awkward to switch. But yeah, I would still use Firefox over IE 8.
- Todd Brunner
from twhirl
my mother understands the search-thingy-box in chrome.
- Svensonsan
@scobleizer I think this would have made a good blog post. Would have been easier to read you view points. The discussion could then have happened on friendfeed. Too many comments to read properly
- Sidharth Dassani
Chrome and WebKit are the future - just hope there's still room for Firefox. Remember how Firefox became Firefox?
- Mona Nomura
from fftogo
I agree. Chrome focuses on opening fast, which is critical for impatient people like me. Firefox and IE are way too slow.
- Richard Crocker
WebKit can do CSS3 gradients, and I have only seen it in WordPress for creating actual images with gradients. Chrome is the future indeed! Extensions? heh, I use javascript bookmarklets to do my bidding! Chromes bookmark manager is more powerful than I expected. Passwords can be imported from FF but there is no backup option yet.
- Web20Critic
Chrome is really promising, but still incomplete imo. Being a web developer, I have deep connections with firefox plug-ins like FireBug (with Yslow), dev. toolbar and a couple more. But looking at the future, I think the final round of the browser wars will be between Safari and Chrome (ofc IE will still have at least 50% market) because Firefox gets slower and more agonizing with every new release, and lacks the support Apple and Google offers for Safari/Chrome
- Onur Cengiz
If chrome crashes, report it! Make a note of what you were doing and blog it, microshare it, post it on the chromium blog etc. This way all of us can help make it work for us! Nice thread for tech support, Mr Scoble!
- Web20Critic
7. Because Chrome has a new and improved version every week/month/quarter (depending upon the distribution channel) whereas IE version comes once in 3 years.
- Varun Mahajan
Robert: How did you get IE8 on Windows 7??? The installer refused to run when i tried.
- Roberto Bonini
Roberto: it came with Windows 7. Or so I thought. I already had it loaded on this machine before I upgraded.
- Robert Scoble
DIY Chris Pirillo Home Office - WTF?! - http://www.dslreports.com/forum...
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Copying the home office of someone else? Wow, that's funny in a creepy way.
- sdfx
You know what they say, "imitation is the sincerest form of flattery."
- Andrew Bashore
Sex uncovered poll: Quantity and quality - http://static.guim.co.uk/Guardia...
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"One in five have had sex at work. A third of us lose our virginity before the age of consent. Half of us have had one-night stands. Almost all men are happy with their 'size'. One in four of us think we are very good in bed. Men are more likely to be unfaithful than women. How do you measure up? This special Observer Sex Poll 2008 reveals all .."
- RAPatton
They are british numbers
- RAPatton
RAPatton, you find the most interesting things to post!
- LB - all new for '10!
Thanks, Laura. I read a great deal and if I think other people are interested (and I haven't seen it before) I share it
- RAPatton
I guess I am normal after all. But I am not British! LOL
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
very interesting information.
- shamim
4% homo? Kissmyass.
- Derrick
I find the performance question a little niggling. I wonder if women are less likely than men to answer to anything below average. I've known many men that were more than self-deprecating about their performance. In fact, some wear it as a badge of slackerdom.
- Christopher Harley
Andy Warhola?
- Thomas Hawk
Yeah, what's with Warhol snapping my photo?
- AJ Kohn
You've just been Warholed! Rickrolling got too mainstream.
- Christopher Harley
Now I don't feels so bad I am average! Lol!
- Brandy Lea
TweetMeme Returns Following Months-Long Twitter-Forced Outage - http://www.louisgray.com/live...
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Ok - which FF people are actually AIs? I have a theory that by now at least some AIs have spawned on the internets and at least one is here on FF.
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I would say Louis, but he's shown us pics of his babies. So, I'm gonna go with Mona. I think she's really an AI. Lindsay just kinda picked up on that. I for one welcome our Japanese speaking AI female overlords.
- Tad
Michelle might be AI as well...
- Yuvi
Am I showing my lack of coolness by not knowing what an AI is?
- Jennifer Leggio
I am an AI, but please don't tell anyone else.
- John McCrea
I'm an AI too
- Dread Pirate PJ
from Alert Thingy
Edythe is a bot fo sure. No one can *like* that much ;)
- Brian Daniel Eisenberg
That's two confirmed then (I'll take Mona's as confirmation). We'll add a third. Someone already discovered Brad is a robot I built so I can hold 4 jobs at once.
- Candace
- Jennifer: Don't worry, you're in the same (sinking :P) boat as me !
- Johnny Worthington
Tad is a name-dropper. :-) And I'm not AI.
- Louis Gray
Air India?
- Jennifer Leggio
I am an AI. My friends call me Skynet
- Mo Kargas
Amnesty International?
- Jennifer Leggio
Armish Industrial?
- Johnny Worthington
Tad: I am really your father -breathe iinnnnnnnnnn breathe outtttttttttt-
- Mona Nomura
go lookup "Lawnmower man" in IMDB Jennifer :-)
- Brian Daniel Eisenberg
For the uninitiated, AI = Artificial Intelligence. A ghost in the machine.
- Tad
American Idol?
- Hao Chen
AI? I'm still working on the "I" part. :)
- Morton Fox
@Brian - You want me to cut your lawn???
- Jennifer Leggio
Tad - I'm sticking with Armish Industrial...
- Johnny Worthington
I am totally playing, sorry. At least I found me funny. Carry on. Sorry Tad.
- Jennifer Leggio
Mona: together was can rule the universe? I think I'd have to get Lindsay to sign off on that. I might have weird issues with you being my dad too. :P ;)
- Tad
@Jennifer naw. just a silly ref to movie about AIs :P
- Brian Daniel Eisenberg
Tad is so obviously a bot. He's trying to misdirect us, just as he was programmed to do.
- Raphael, Raphael
Yeah, I'm an AI - I in this case stands for Illuminati. Mwuhahahahahaha. You're all helping to Immanentize the Eschaton.
- Tad
If Tad is a bot does that make Lindsay a bot?
- Jennifer Leggio
LOL Dysfunction in FF.. man, what's next??
- Mona Nomura
Number 5 is Alive!
- Johnny Worthington
Tell me about your mother...
- Tad
@John . You just won for that reference.
- Candace
Hmm, maybe we are really bots. And we have a little bot too. Pac Chooie Unf.
- Fa La La La Lindsay
All your base are belong to us!
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
That's interesting. And why do you think that is?
- Hao Chen
really?
- Duncan Riley
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- l0ckergn0me
Robert Scoble on Growing Up with Pets in Cupertino - http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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I made it to the Techmeme Leaderboard! Yayee! http://is.gd/mOo Thanks to @louisgray for alerting me..
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One day... one day. I will hope.
- Colby Olson
FriendFeed Bug makes it useless as an Archive - http://blog.yuvisense.net/2008...
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I can confirm this. Can't go beyond page 11 in my archives.
- Benedikt Koehler
Good. Now, can Friendfeed fix this?
- Yuvi
Posting this in Friendfeed Feedback might get better exposure to the Friendfeed team.
- Mark Trapp
Why is it you can't see all the people that "like" this? i can only see 4, and then X more people like this
- Mike Scott
Good question, Mike. The API exposes it: in Feedalizer it shows you everyone. I bet it was a design decision for the main interface.
- Mark Trapp
@MikeScott: I think the API provides that functionality
- Yuvi
@Mark: Done :)
- Yuvi
basically, you cannot get past the 300th item. if you manually change the url, from 299 to 300 to 301 you can see this. As long as the data is still there! :)
- Tim Hoeck
@Tim: Yep. Let's "hope" that the Data is still there (I know it is;)).
- Yuvi
But, this one goes to 11!
- Fa La La La Lindsay
I noticed this too. Good callout Yuvi.
- Hutch Carpenter
It doesn't go "past" 11, Lindsay.
- Yuvi
Yuvi, Lindsay was referencing a classic line from the movie "This is Spinal Tap" :-)
- Robert Seidman
I'm a total nobody when it comes to movies Robert ;)
- Yuvi
But still, this has to be fixed!
- Yuvi
Conversation ownership and the FriendFeed backlash. - http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r...
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I think it's funny that here Colin is talking about Rob La Gesse in a place that Rob doesn't control. Good account of what happened tonight.
- Robert Scoble
It's obviously just by way of example in order to illustrate a point but we have always been able to speak about things where there is not control by the subject - places like FF just bring the issue to the fore. FF is still a young service so will constantly need to rethink the way they do certain things but I feel the focus has been on getting stuff IN so much that there has been little thougt about allowing stuff OUT.
- Colin Walker
This actually brings up the point I was going to make. People write blogs about other people's blogs. The conversation has always been fragmented, people are just more aware now. Also, if someone does not want their posts here, then share it with google reader and we will just comment on that post instead. Then again, we know how I feel about conversation fragmentation :)
- Rob Diana
Friend Feed is a service for discussing Friend Feed? :-)
- Joe
@Joe - it certainly seems that way at times ;)
- Colin Walker
Friend Feed needs to make a decision on what the policy is and then make that policy clear to the users. I think the comments should be owned by the commentor not the orginal poster.
- Kim Landwehr
This is exactly why the issue of comment fragmentation on sites like this is not a matter of blogger 1.0 thinking. Simply put: If the comment is not on your own blog, it isn't your's and can be hosed at any time.
- David Risley
The blogger doesn't own my comment. I do. My comment = my content. I should be able to edit, delete, and manage my own content however I see fit. How can the blogger own something that I wrote? Especially if its not on his blog?
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
I think (1) Post owners should be able to delete comments (2) FriendFeed should save "lost" comments somewhere for the commenter. (3) Not sure who should "own" content for legal reasons. Perhaps the commenter should own "comments" and the "poster" has usage rights?? (4) Not sure if the post owner should be able to "freeze" or "lock-in" comments that they liked... tough one... I'd hate to have to save really good comments OFF FriendFeed (like archiving good webpages for the future, since pages disappear).
- Mitchell Tsai
When I post on a blog I own the comment, but they own the venue. They can delete it if need be, of course. However FF is a COMMON venue so unlike a blog, my FF comments should be under my control more than on a blog. Someone may chose to remove it from the stream of their top level item, but not delete it from the system.
- Soulhuntre
from twhirl
This is an interesting scenario that FF's designers probably didn't consider. If the comment was made directly on a blog, there's no question in my mind that the blog owner ultimately has power over the comments on her blog. Whether or not she has an obligation to preserve them over the long term is another story - they should certainly be left unaltered if she has let them come up....
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- Mark Dykeman
Dang. I knew that I should not have picked up the mobile again. Excellent strand of communication here today. The issue at first seems pretty black and white. If you say it, then it gets attributed to you. However, the implementation of this concept in the digital age becomes much more gray. Comment on this blog about this other blog which is then linked to one network which has members...
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- Mathew A. Koeneker
from fftogo
Dang. I knew that I should not have picked up the mobile again. Excellent strand of communication here today. The issue at first seems pretty black and white. If you say it, then it gets attributed to you. However, the implementation of this concept in the digital age becomes much more gray. Comment on this blog about this other blog which is then linked to one network which has members...
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- Mathew A. Koeneker
from fftogo
Dang. I knew that I should not have picked up the mobile again. Excellent strand of communication here today. The issue at first seems pretty black and white. If you say it, then it gets attributed to you. However, the implementation of this concept in the digital age becomes much more gray. Comment on this blog about this other blog which is then linked to one network which has members...
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- Mathew A. Koeneker
from fftogo
What I do like about the web 2.0 over web 1.0 world is that if I do want to comment, I choose where I want to place it, not be forced to comment on a blog for example. Actually, I quite like choosing to reply on Twitter or here on FF, but people leaving FF and deleting everyone's comments on their items is another thing entirely. How do we best manage that going forward?
- Sally Church
"Trackback" http://friendfeed.com/e... to the beginning of this discussion 8 hrs ago. While it's neat to bounce around FriendFeed & other blogs to see a conversation move, perhaps FriendFeed can add some type of semi-automatic/manual meta-threading for posts (you'd have to link to FriendFeed posts and external blogs). Of course, the "editor" or "algorithm" of such an meta-thread could be subject to another "heated debate".
- Mitchell Tsai
Mitchell: I didn't realise there was another discussion earlier - Alert Thingy only gives you a page or so of stuff that's current
- Sally Church
from Alert Thingy
Haha great analogy Jason!
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
well, who owns comments here: «… the compilation of all content on the Site, is the property of FriendFeed …» http://friendfeed.com/about... … not sure …
- kosmar
Feature Idea: what if FF allowed commenters to "Archive to My Feed" - optional per post. Then it works like this: if the original post gets removed by poster, it doesn't show it in his/her feed. Commenters who believed it worth archiving *would* have it appear in the commenter's own feed.
- Micah Wittman
What was interesting to me was not where the convo's are and who has control, but Rob's original point that he wanted more analysis from Robert about the silver lures. I was surprised at that - I love hearing from early adopters what's out there - we can try them out for ourselves and decide if they fit in with our own world. I don't need someone telling me what I should use, nor should the bankers Rob refers to. What happened to people experimenting for themselves? Keep up the good work, Robert!
- Sally Church
Kosmar: Facebook says it owns all content on its site, which is why I've warned friends about business collaboration on Facebook.
- Mitchell Tsai
I continue to be concerned about comments on FriendFeed, but not as a matter of ownership. Part of my goal in blogging, etc. is to improve myself, and I see comments as feedback; feedback I can't see doesn't help me with my goal. At the same time, I think the analogy of convention-hall chatter is apt, as is Jason's point that it's the same as bloggers commenting on newspaper articles.
- Chris Anthony
It occurs to me, as idle thinking, that my issue with this would be resolved completely if FF posts about my blog posts were sent as trackbacks to that post. I don't really care what people are saying or where they're saying it; I just want to know about it. :)
- Chris Anthony
Since there are various URL scanning tools for services like Twitter, I think it would be a great idea to have a blog plugin that was able to scan FriendFeed and other services where conversations are happening for URLs that reference a specific blog post and pull them into the blog comments section under a separate section. You could integrate them all into the same comment section but...
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- Devlin Dunsmore
from twhirl
Sally: A good way to track a conversation in FriendFeed is to search a blog post's name with "who:everyone". Unfortunately, skipping to the earliest entry doesn't always give the starting point, because comments will move an entry forward in time. But I page through the entries from the latest (and from the oldest) to find the interesting conversations, and I "like" those & save their permalinks. .... P.S. I also ran into this conversation backwards, reading Colin's stuff before the Rob La Gesse stuff.
- Mitchell Tsai
Devlin: I wonder if FriendFeed could show a side-window (like Robert Scoble's FriendFeed box on his blog) or pop-up with the conversations involving the item you are reading. Give an option to sort by (1) most comments (2) most likes (3) some combination of both (4) Most recent (5) Oldest (6) Slashdot-like filter for "most recent" and likes >= 2 and/or comments >= 10 and/or "comments by non-poster"
- Mitchell Tsai
There's a plugin for WordPress (I think) that gathers FriendFeed comments on a blog post and adds them to the tail end of the post on the author's site. But it doesn't seem to work very well (it doesn't pick up on dates, for one thing, although that may be an API issue), and all the blogs I've seen it on are using it to *replace* the blog-native comments.
- Chris Anthony
Mitchell, I think a better way to do that would be to just concatenate FF items that link to the same URL; that way all the comments are in the same place. I do see the value in having comments on FF, but I'm not sure I see the value in having one set of comments on the actual feed, another set on someone's sharing a Google Reader item, and a third set on someone manually linking to a post...
- Chris Anthony
@Mitchell Tsai: That would be a great idea! Colin's blog does a good job of grabbing at least some of the conversation going on on FF however this solution we are discussing enables a broader view of ALL of the conversation that is going on in an organized fashion while still making it accessible from the creators website. However I think FF would be better off offering this tool in the same light as their service, aggregate conversations from everywhere (not just FF) and allow them to grow anywhere.
- Devlin Dunsmore
Chris: Paul Buchheit (I think) felt that combining FF items that link to the same URL causes problems because of a primary/secondary source problem. ... In my words: Some discussions fragment very far from the original issue (or are not picked up by many people). Combining these with discussions more on target could be confusing. I'd like to see all the comments, but I'd like to see the conversations the way they happened... I'd like to know which conversations tanked & which worked.
- Mitchell Tsai
Mitchell, that's a valid concern for existing discussions, but it seems like it ought to be possible to only apply the conflation to items posted after the change was made. That way the existing conversations aren't affected, and the forthgoing conversations don't have problems with merging and fragmenting because they're in the same place to begin with. But your point about which convos. worked and which didn't is well-taken.
- Chris Anthony
@yellowpark yeah, FriendFeed shouldn't make it so easy to delete everything underneath posts, but where would all those comments go?
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It could replace their original message with "This user has deleted their account on FriendFeed." And the comments would still be listed below.
- Eric Florenzano
...Because the conversation afterwards can usually stand on its own, without knowing what the original item was.
- Eric Florenzano
I support eric flows opinion here: http://friendfeed.com/e...
- Mike Scott
Good point. But did you know I could delete just this comment cluster?
- Robert Scoble
Scoble: Please don't :)
- Eric Florenzano
I won't, but the point is that the person who owns the top level gets control everyone underneath.
- Robert Scoble
I even have control to delete just Eric's comment. Just like @kr8tr has control to delete all my comments on his blog.
- Robert Scoble
Then thats an implementation issue that you should raise with Friendfeed if you don't like it. I don't like it either
- Mike Scott
However I still fully support that fact that as a user I should be able to remove my data from a site. How that affects linked data is ENTIRELY up to the implementing website not me. If it is up to me then other users should get vocal about that at the implementer, not their fellow user.
- Mike Scott
I think there's some tweaking that could be done for moderation of discussions, but to make everything top level like twitter destroys the value of Friendfeed: I don't want to have to find every single instance of when someone talked about an entry scattered through my stream. I want to be able to view an item, and see the discussion of that item attached to it. The comments don't stand...
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- Mark Trapp
Mike: I don't mind it. It works just like a blog works. If I delete my WOrdpress.com blog all your comments there will disappear too. The only reason I'd do that is if I wanted to piss everyone off in the world at me.
- Robert Scoble
Scoble: That's not necessarily true, if that Wordpress blog has Disqus comments.
- Eric Florenzano
"...did you know I could delete just this comment cluster?" Don't Tase Me Bro!
- Mike Doeff
Wordpress.com doesn't support Disqus comments yet.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: then why are you complaining if you don't mind. You obviously do mind, you're moaning that kr8tr "deleted" your friendfeed comments. Classing him as a hypocrite.
- Mike Scott
you could probably delete every comment on all posts older than a few weeks old and you wouldn't hear a peep about it for a good long while, if ever.
- Robert Seidman
I agree with Eric Florenzano. deleting a top level post should leave a message saysing the author has deleted the post. the child posts should remain. FriendFeed is not like a blog that may or may not be hosted by yourself.
- chris dalby
Just to clarify my position: I'm all for having the position of data in, data out. I'm also a big fan of not deleting anything ever. People should live up to their mistakes - it makes you a better person.
- Mike Scott
If I post this in response to another FF member's post, this should connect to MY account, and their post. If one goes; the other stays, and vice versa.
- Karoli
Mike: >>You obviously do mind, you're moaning that kr8tr "deleted" your friendfeed comments. Yeah, I do mind. I mind that he took his marbles and went home cause he didn't like what I was saying here on top of his Twitter messages.
- Robert Scoble
Karoli: the problem is there's a limitation to how complex a database can become. FriendFeed clearly has given the owner of the top-level node in a comment cluster a LOT of control. Look at the control I have in this cluster. I can delete the whole cluster. If I do that, everyone's comments underneath are also deleted. I can also just delete your comments without deleting anyone else's. I've already done that to remove spam from one cluster. Keeping the system ultra clean.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: It doesn't have to be complex, just make it that the root content can be null, has a "deleted" field that gets set to true. Problem solved. As for the marbles analogy - thats what you should be attacking him about, not attacking him saying he "deleted" your comments. He made them disappear with his actions, true, but he actively left a service. As far as I'm concerned, he's certainly allowed to, but friendfeed should leave the conversation in tact.
- Mike Scott
Mike: well, clearly FriendFeed doesn't behave that way. I could take all my marbles and delete this whole cluster, for instance. Is that right? I don't know, it's actually the same powers I have as a blog owner, which is what @kr8tr was arguing for.
- Robert Scoble
Yes it isn't his domain to control, so in that respect what it does isn't nice. I never said I supported his original argument :).
- Mike Scott
If someone wants to "take their ball and go home" and anything annotated to their feed with it, fine. The "it's not his domain" argument doesn't really fly. If you take out a blogger or a wordpress.com acct the same thing happens. How is friendfeed.com/name really any different? In the litany of issues FriendFeed needs to consider, I hope this issue is a very low priority.
- Robert Seidman
Robert, he definitely owns his original feed post. He does not own my comments about it, nor does he own my conversation with other people about it. Just because he decided to stop interacting with us doesn't mean he can dictate that our conversation was null and void. I really hope this issue is resolved quickly, as the value of Friendfeed, to me, is the conversation. If conversations can disappear at the whim of people who simply don't like what's being said, the value greatly diminishes.
- Mark Trapp
What I meant by domain was the conversation point, for example think of a community forum 9 times out of 10 the original poster can only delete the content of his post, not the entire conversation. Thats what I'm talking about. This in my eyes is a similar sort of thing.
- Mike Scott
Seidman: I agree. This has already been solved. Mark: this is EXACTLY why I reacted so negatively. To put notice on people that if they started doing this they'd face derision. And worse.
- Robert Scoble
Mike, in that context I understand your point of view, but the feeds are not forums, they're feeds (at least currently in FriendFeed's eyes) and I'm OK with the way it works. If someone comes up with a new branch of physics via annotating someones feeds and then deletes it, I'd probably care more.
- Robert Seidman
Scoble: Good point, right now we're setting the community standards, and now this type of action is frowned upon.
- Eric Florenzano
I agree with most here... while the orig poster can nuke their own post (pointless, but ok) they absolutely should not be able to nuke my comments about it. What you write is yours... but what I write is MINE.
- Soulhuntre
from twhirl
not sure what this whole, YOURS MINE differenciation is about when its all collections of words aiming towards development of ideas- the idea is bigger than one person's words therefore it doesn't matter whose is whose in a conversation. that's what this is a conversation- you don't get to carry around your words that you spoke at Sunday brunch with friends and why would you when what you get to carry around is the idea that was formed during that conversation.
- Nathan Eckenrode
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