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Sean McBride
Robert Kagan's key neocon links: Bilderberg Group, Commentary, FPI (Foreign Policy Initiative), Henry Jackson Society, Iraq War ringleaders, PNAC (Project for the New American Century), Wall Street Journal, Weekly Standard
What if Romney's thinking "keep your enemies close?" Romney's business career was, in large measure, a career of "stiffing" the creditors of the companies he took over. - Berthe
Well, why should we assume that that is where he is coming from? What are the signs and indications? He has much to gain from currying the favor of the Israel lobby and neoconservatives -- especially neoconservative billionaires. They can make or break his political career. - Sean McBride
Even if Romney were paying a double game, if elected, he wouldn't have any room to maneuver and shake free of the grip of Likud and the Israel lobby over the GOP. He would have no choice but to do whatever they commanded. The RJC (Republican Jewish Coalition) in tandem with Christian Zionist outfits like CUFI (Christians United for Israel) runs Mideast policy in the Republican Party. - Sean McBride
Romney is a cipher. I don't assume anything about him! - Berthe
Neither do I! - Sean McBride
Sean McBride
Dan Rather Agrees With Ron Paul in Opposing War With Syria | NewsBusters.org - http://newsbusters.org/blogs...
Dan Rather Agrees With Ron Paul in Opposing War With Syria | NewsBusters.org
"Appearing as a guest on Thursday's Piers Morgan Tonight on CNN, former CBS News anchor expressed agreement with GOP presidential candidate Ron Paul in opposing U.S. involvement in the civil war in Syria to protect the civilian population from the terror regime of authoritarian ruler, President Bashar Assad. After describing what he believes should be done to put pressure on Assad, he brought up Congressman Paul's left-leaning views on the Middle East:" - Sean McBride from Bookmarklet
"However, and, by the way, this is one reason that Ron Paul continues to do reasonably well in the Republican race, Ron Paul says this is - in essence, he says, "This is madness. We don't need another war. We don't want another war. We can't afford another war. And if you went to war in Syria, if you went to war with the military option, there's no telling where it would lead."" - Sean McBride
"The former CBS Evening News anchor then divulged his own view: "About that, my own personal opinion is he's probably right. And American public opinion is not going to be behind any big military intervention in Syria."" - Sean McBride
...wait, Syria today? but what of the rumored war with Iran... back-burnered? who are we are war with today? — "In accordance to the principles of Doublethink, it does not matter if the war is not real, or when it is, that victory is not possible. The war is not meant to be won. It is meant to be continuous. The essential act of modern warfare is the destruction of the produce of human... more... - .LAG liked that
You got it. - Sean McBride
And "the terrorists" are any Americans who raise questions about these wars -- what motivates them? Who benefits? - Sean McBride
...but, the main point is: it doesn't really matter who's in the White House... the GAME continues regardless of the players you see in front of the stage. Ron Paul is not the answer. No one sitting in that ovaltine office is... look BEHIND the stage. - .LAG liked that
The real powers behind the throne are manipulating both the Republican and Democratic Parties. Dogmatic Republicans and Democrats help keep the game rolling along. And this gang would never let anyone like Ron Paul get near the White House. - Sean McBride
Sean McBride
Ticking clock, rising Israeli fears and the price of gas push Iran to top of US worry list - OrlandoSentinel.com - http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news...
Ticking clock, rising Israeli fears and the price of gas push Iran to top of US worry list - OrlandoSentinel.com
"Close U.S. ally Israel is driving much of the burst of international attention now focused on the likelihood of an Iranian bomb and what to do about it.... Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu frequently draws parallels between modern-day Iran and Nazi Germany on the eve of the Holocaust. Last week, Defense Minister Ehud Barak said there is a growing global understanding that military action may be necessary." - Sean McBride from Bookmarklet
Fact: the Israeli government and the Israel lobby are the prime movers behind the campaign to attack Iran. - Sean McBride
Fact: Israel Firsters are pushing Americans into a self-destructive war against Iran. - Sean McBride
Is there any grassroots surge from Americans to attack Iran, invade Syria or to become bogged down in any more Mideast wars? Not a speck. So why is Barack Obama relentlessly moving Americans into these bankrupting confrontations? Why isn't he focused on the problems of the declining American middle class? - Sean McBride
Sean McBride
Add Arianna Huffington to the smart and cool people who like Ron Paul. She just tweeted: "You've got to love Ron Paul on Iraq: 'A totally unnecessary war based on false assumptions and lies.'"
And her tweet has already been retweeted 166 times. - Sean McBride
Do the smart and cool people still respect Barack Obama? Not really. - Sean McBride
this assumes you find Miss i don't pay my bloggers smart and cool, I don't #YMMV - WarLord
She gets to go to much "smarter" parties than you do, WarLord. :) But seriously -- she's no dummy. Neither are these people: 1. Andrew Sullivan 2. Arianna Huffington 3. Bill Gross 4. Bill Maher 5. Clint Eastwood 6. Denzel Washington 7. Glenn Greenwald 8. Iris Mack 9. Jay Rosen 10. Jesse Ventura 11. Joe Perry 12. John Perry Barlow 13. Jon Stewart 14. Norm Macdonald 15. Oliver Stone 16.... more... - Sean McBride
Sean I never had shirts with little aligators, so bolstering my ego by "who" was agreeing with me, no big deal. I'm comfortable with Obama sharing my belief system. Ron paul or Ariana, not so much - WarLord
Obama "shares your belief system"? But he's totally full of shit -- there is a near absolute disconnect between his words (beliefs) and his actions. This is why the smart crowd that pushed him into the White House in 2008 has turned on him. You're a bit behind the times. Catch up -- it's 2012. - Sean McBride
Yep and your best answer just told us about HONEST RAPE, fuck him. And he has a daughter too. Despicable. As for Obama, yep I'm happy with his leadership. As for Iran? Drone strikes? Who cares if I'm starving... - WarLord
WarLord: does the phrase "honest rape" mean "honestly reported rape" as opposed to "falsely reported rape"? What do you think it means? I'm not sure -- perhaps Paul will explain it. That's my first instinctive read of the phrase. - Sean McBride
Sean, I can not honestly parse the phrase "honest rape' Seriously I can't imagine the mindset that would trot that out in polite company. And he has daughters of his own!?! - WarLord
WarLord: doesn't my parsing of the phrase make perfect sense? A truthful rape report as opposed to a false rape report. Do you realize how much nonsense all of us utter in spontaneous, off-the-cuff speech? It's a waste of time to focus too much attention on these verbal fluffs. Why don't you try to get on *substantive* issues concerning war and peace and civil liberties. Or does that overstrain the mental faculties of most Ron Paul bashers? - Sean McBride
Here's my problem Sean, I cannot ever imagine using a phrase like "honest rape" because i don't follow the rest of his logic. Why does that poor women "need a reason' to end her pregnancy? If she feels she was raped coerced persuaded or whatever, its her call except in Ron Pauls eyes not so much..... - WarLord
False rape reports are nebulous at best. Do they exist? Yes. Are they actually common? No. Of course, much of the notion of "false" reports have to do with judgmental perception of law enforcement if some sort of "inviting" seems to THEM to have occurred...ie clothing, alcohol, hip swirl, lipstick, whatever. The whole notion is bullshit. - Prosey BUTTONS!
WarLord -- well, you've got a problem: a very large percentage of Americans believes that the fetus enjoys human rights and they are difficult to convince otherwise on this issue. That is why this controversy never ends and goes round and round and round. It's an area of controversy I usually steer clear of. My main interest here was to try to parse the meaning of that off-the-cuff phrase. - Sean McBride
Where, Sean, do you find the citation that a "very large percentage of Americans believe" that? - Prosey BUTTONS!
Prosey -- Google it for the hard numbers. This isn't my field of interest -- it's your main field of interest, right? I quickly found this: "Americans remain sharply divided over the issue of abortion, but a plurality would like to see stricter limits placed on abortions in the United States, according to a New York Times/CBS News Poll conducted last month. Democrats and women are more... more... - Sean McBride
I actually have a fair idea of the numbers, Sean...and they're nothing to do with Ron Paul. A "25%" of a total population could be construed as "large", depending on what we're talking about. It's a weaselly way of making a phrase, which is why I called it out. As specific to this topic, there IS a large percentage...but not of the total American population; rather, there is a... more... - Prosey BUTTONS!
The poll was from 2007, and I don't have time to take a close look at the numbers, but the word "plurality" caught my eye -- which I would describe as a significant percentage. - Sean McBride
Again, "plurality" in this instance refers primarily to a specific subset of the overall population, with outliers of that subset affected also. Hence, the term. - Prosey BUTTONS!
I've recommended it before, and I'll recommend it again -- not for the main thrust of the book but mainly because of the overarching trajectory of the topic...it is a quite brilliant overview of sexuality (and heavily focused on Western, and more acutely American perception of sexuality). Straight: http://www.amazon.com/Straigh... --a very dense history, easy to read, extremely interesting book. - Prosey BUTTONS!
Bottom line: many Americans oppose abortion for principled reasons. They can rarely be argued out of their position. That is where this issue stands. - Sean McBride
By the same token, "many" Americans also support abortion for principled reasons. (Please note: "support" here is not synonymous with "like". "Support" here means -as in supporting the right to legal and safe access to abortions as part of a complete list of options from which to make an informed decision about one's own body.) - Prosey BUTTONS!
Prosey: a better poll: "CBS News/New York Times Poll. Jan. 12-17, 2012. N=1,154 adults nationwide. Margin of error ± 3." "Which of these comes closest to your view? Abortion should be generally available to those who want it. OR, Abortion should be available, but under stricter limits than it is now. OR, Abortion should not be permitted." http://www.pollingreport.com/abortio... As of... more... - Sean McBride
All of the percentages, Sean, can be considered *significant*...and I'm curious (since I distrust most statistical presentations of this nature by the mainstream media outlets) as to what population served as their sample, and why the chosen sample was deemed appropriate to extrapolate to the American population as a *whole* ~ - Prosey BUTTONS!
For instance, look at the Kaiser poll just beneath it...think about the implications of the question, and compare *those* numbers to the ones above it. - Prosey BUTTONS!
I look at Kaiser polls more seriously in health matters in general; Guttmacher polls in *sexual* health matters even more so. - Prosey BUTTONS!
And the numbers you noted aren't consistent, actually. Scroll further down. Another of those polls show Available no matter what the reason is 37%, Only legal in certain circumstances 44%, Illegal in all circumstances 15% Unsure/refused 5% -- THIS is why I get curious as to the sampling - Prosey BUTTONS!
Okay...another good book recommendation for you. This book can provide *some* insight to the variety inconsistencies AND the origins of such... The Purity Myth http://www.amazon.com/Purity-... - Prosey BUTTONS!
I just reviewed all the polls on that page I linked too -- what a great resource for polling data on abortion. My overall take on all the polls in combination: Americans seem to be evenly divided on this issue and the needle is not moving in a more liberal direction. In fact, the needle may be moving in a more conservative direction, depending on how you parse the polls in combination. - Sean McBride
Sean I['m guessing Komen said exactly teh same thing when they cut off Planned Parenthood. No prob, America is center right and anti-choice.... Depending on how i put abortion question I can get any per cent you'd like to order. The groundswell tells me that people women are growing tired of having their bodies and their health owned by others... - WarLord
...Arianna Huffington has 834,055 followers. 166 retweets represents 0.0199% of her followers. a thimble of brine in a salty ocean... - .LAG liked that
Re "honest rape" --- heres a case in the news in this area, the NYC Police Commissioner's son accused of rape and the DA doesn't believe her http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news... - Berthe
Before that we had the accusation against Dominique Strauss Kahn, which was as phony as a $3 bill; the Duke LaCrosse case, which was a travesty, the prosecutor trying to get reelected in a black city so that he'd have enough time in for a pension. Of course, the famous Tawana Brawley case. - Berthe
But its all moot because what Ron Paul wants to do about abortion is let the states make the laws. I agree. The Supreme Court made a terrible mistake to take Roe v Wade. Abortion laws had been liberalized in 14 states by the time Roe was decided (including NY and CA) and many other states would have followed suit quickly. Much better to do that than what happened, almost 40 years of that issue dominating national politics. - Berthe
Berthe apparently you don't remember when contraception was illegal? Griswold v. Connecticut, 381 U.S. 479 (1965),[ struck down a Connecticut law in 1965 under right of privacy. Enough pious bullshit about states rights it wasn't so fucking marvelous in Mayberry before Roe and Griswold etc etc - WarLord
You're not thinking contraception would be illegal in CT today without that Griswold decision, are you? - Berthe
Umm Berthe that's actually what I am thinking in fact without Griswold and Roe. BTW nice Condescension dude. But I lived the times, so i might have you know an insight... #whatatool - WarLord
Its absurd to say contraception would be illegal today without those Supreme Court decisions. Nowadays its prescribed as acne medication for 15 year olds. True fact. - Berthe
To Sean: Yes, it's a decent *smattering* of samplage, but I would urge you to look to Guttmacher, or even more significantly, to GEMS (http://www.gems-girls.org/). There is more to the story about sexual exploitation of American girls (not even touching on "imported" girls, which is a separate and even more appalling topic). But, you know, they're not blonde, and cute, and virtuous, so they're not "counted" in the virginity movement sweeping the country since 1981. - Prosey BUTTONS!
To Berthe: There are too many stats & cites I could provide, and they would ALL make your stomach turn, especially as a mother (one small example: http://www.moxiebird.com/2011...) -- and I give the woman credit...TREMENDOUS credit...for her courage. But aside from that, I'm repeating myself from a comment to Sean. Serious book recommendation that outlines the current reality across the country: http://www.amazon.com/dp... - Prosey BUTTONS!
Aside from those links and reading recommendations, I'm off topic to the discussion posted. Heh, to the topic posted, I'll just be repeating myself with the comments about ad populum and what a weak attempt at bandwagoning it actually is. ;-) - Prosey BUTTONS!
Prosey -- thanks for the pointers -- I appreciate them. I am nosing around in the abortion topic now and then using these searches: Google [abortion WITH books, charts, facts, graphs, infographics, polls, public opinion, rates, statistics, stats, reports, trends, youtube, videos]. (That means search on "abortion" in individual searches with each of the following comma-separated terms.) - Sean McBride
Sean: I have *tons* of reading I can recommend. From both sides of the debate. Let me know what you're interested in. Bear in mind, most of what I have is heavy academic...so if you can't pull it offa Google Scholar, then I'll get you the ISBN #s - Prosey BUTTONS!
Prosey -- any chance you could post your full bibliography on Google Docs, Scribd, Tumblr, Posterous or a similar site? - Sean McBride
I could, but that particular bibliography has to wait. I'm not yet published, and my entire text is in draft....meaning, I'm still compiling it. I have hesitated, mainly cos I'm pondering whether or not to wait on publishing my dissertation in favor of publishing a book. But when I have a non-changing bibliography, it's mostly public already anyway. You'll have to give me some time, though. - Prosey BUTTONS!
Great -- let me know when it is ready for perusal by outsiders -- I would like to take a look. - Sean McBride
Will do. :-) - Prosey BUTTONS!
NoahDavidSimon
#Syria http://www.youtube.com/watch... heavy shelling on residential homes in the #BabaAmr area of #Homs https://twitter.com/#!... ...hey isn't this who HRW said was Israel's peace partner?
#Syria http://t.co/GG2R0Ydc heavy shelling on residential homes in the #BabaAmr area of #Homs https://twitter.com/#!/AlexanderPageSY/statuses/166178371892551681 ...hey isn't this who HRW said was Israel's peace partner?
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Sean McBride
The Generals try to stop an Iran War | Informed Comment - http://www.juancole.com/2012...
"It has leaked that US chairman of the joint chiefs of staff Gen. Martin Dempsey warned the Israelis that if they launched a strike on Iran that spiralled into a war, they would be on their own." - Sean McBride from Bookmarklet
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Rabbi defends ‘poor man’ who suggested taking out a president ‘deemed unfriendly to Israel’ « The Passionate Attachment - http://thepassionateattachment.com/2012...
Sean McBride
Can Obama Prevail against a Romney-Netanyahu Ticket? - Robertson | Informed Comment - http://www.juancole.com/2012...
"Paul Pillar and Leslie Gelb – both of them well-respected and largely mainstream commentators on US foreign policy – have recently published essays cautioning us all – and Mr. Obama especially – to step back, breathe deeply, ask tough questions, and get sound answers before launching a military strike against Iran. And as Gelb’s piece (excerpted below) cogently notes, the silly season of presidential campaigning is going to elicit (indeed, already has elicited) a lot of tough-guy, red-blooded American bellicosity from GOP candidates eager to bash Obama and score nationally televised debate points in mega-auditoriums crammed full of lustily cheering Republican worthies:" - Sean McBride from Bookmarklet
Comment from DSMITH: "Mitt and Netanyahu, here we go again with two men who use a pious religious backdrop to persuade an unsuspecting public their motives are pure and sanctioned by God. All the while plotting to bomb a country and kill innocent civilians whose only crime is they are not America or Israel’s friend. The media is especially sickening in it’s lapdog approach to promoting... more... - Sean McBride
The puzzle of Romney again. Does he say it (warmongering crap) once Gingrich and Santorum are out (hopefully next week)? He's got an incentive to make a peace with Ron Paul and so far, Paul has left that possibility open. In the 2008 election, under 30's went so overwhelmingly for Obama. This year, the candidate of under 30's is Ron Paul. Its a stunning development that Romney would... more... - Berthe
Berthe -- isn't it obvious that the neocon-controlled GOP will force Romney to fulfill his warmongering promises? How could he not? Most of his lead advisers are neocon warmongers. - Sean McBride
Romney's Mormon religion will trump any alliance with Paul, all about the rapture - WarLord
I wish I knew more about Mormon views on Israel and Zionism. I don't have time to research it. One gets the vibe that there is something flaky and crackbrained behind Romney's remarks on the subject. - Sean McBride
Read this Sean http://www.salon.com/2012... be very afraid - WarLord
Great pointer! There we go. - Sean McBride
Interesting tidbit from WarLord's article: In 1970, Romney was President of the Cougar Club — the all male, all white social club at Brigham Young University in Salt Lake City (blacks were excluded from full membership in the Mormon church until 1978). - Tinfoil 2.0
Romney must have been at Brigham Young at the same time that all of the Ivy League undergraduate schools were all male, no? We don't hold it against everyone who was there that he wasn't a worldbeater for equal rights for women. - Berthe
Berthe I think you missed the point, it was ALL WHITE as was the Mormon Church until 1978 - WarLord
Religion is a difficult thing because you don't know HOW someone looks at it. Romney might give millions to the Mormon Church because he feels they do effective good work with their hospitals and universities. (Seems like I'm becoming a Romney-defender; I'm just an optimist. I think it looks strong for Romney winning in November, just looking at the swing states and how many went from... more... - Berthe
WarLord - in that time period, the Ivy League undergraduate colleges discriminated against women and the Mormon church discriminated against blacks. Historical facts. - Berthe
The cult of mormon is an odd duck, they hate gambling but they profit mightily from the casinos in their Nevada stronghold. I have yet to met a mormon in my travels to Utah and Nevada and Idaho that wasn't a racist.. Just my personal observation - WarLord
Skimming the Salon article, all it really tells me is that Romney was a leader/well thought of, etc. in school. How to put a negative spin on that???? Geez, as someone who grew up Roman Catholic, I sure don't want to be lumped in with the lot of them. Sean grew up Catholic, too, I know, so, no offense . . . but what troubled me from my first communion was the bigotry of the Catholic Church that the Catholic Church is "the one true religion." - Berthe
Berthe -- I don't mind criticism of the Roman Catholic Church at all (I was brought up in it). All the Mormons I have met have been great people -- no complaints whatever -- they seem like real straight shooters. I liked and respected Mitt Romney -- he struck me as a smart and reasonable moderate -- until he started talking wacky on Mideast politics, using inciting language that could... more... - Sean McBride
Funny this...the interesting tangle between the different denominations on a political plane. Berthe is exactly right about the discrimination points from a historical perspective, with respect to universities. Mormonism is a far stretch in terms of doctrine from, say, Catholicism (though there are the expected similarities too). Sean, I could ask a few friends of mine about Mormon... more... - Prosey BUTTONS!
"Second Coming (LDS Church)" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki... "Like many other Christian adherents, members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints believe that there will be a Second Coming of Jesus Christ to the earth sometime in the future. The LDS Church and its leaders do not make any predictions of the actual date of the Second Coming. According... more... - Sean McBride
And this: "According to the Doctrine and Covenants which is considered scriptural canon in the LDS Church, "... [the Son of Man] now reigneth in the heavens and will reign till he descends on the earth … which time is nigh at hand … but the hour and the day no man knoweth, neither the angels in heaven, nor shall they know until he comes." According to this doctrine, the LDS Church... more... - Sean McBride
And this: "The Jewish people who are living at the time will be able to see, touch and feel the nail marks in his hands and feet, and will mourn because they, as a people, had rejected him as the Messiah." - Sean McBride
I just put the question directly to a good friend of mine for what she was taught -- it might well be the same as the wiki quotes...but I got curious, too, so I went ahead and asked. *grin* - Prosey BUTTONS!
Prosey -- please share anything you know about this topic. The Wikipedia entry on the subject suggests to me that Mormon end times doctrine is fairly similar to Christian doctrine. And Israel does seem to play a central role in it. - Sean McBride
Jews, obviously, are not going to be too happy with Mormon end times beliefs. - Sean McBride
Well, Mormonism is one sect of protestant Christianity. Her first answer to me is: "As far as I know there's no official position regarding American relations with Israel. The Church doesn't get political except regarding stuff like abortion (sigh). The question about the end times is so broad I'm not even sure how to reply. Can you narrow it down a bit?" *chuckling* So I'm trying to... more... - Prosey BUTTONS!
Thanks, Prosey. If you get a chance, ask her what role Israel plays in Mormon end times doctrine. - Sean McBride
I get a Masonic vibe from Mormonism. But I haven't looked into that. - Sean McBride
What I *do* know of is not actually related at all to end times, but it is quite political...and it is economic in nature. It's obliquely related to my own research, which was how I happened upon it. I wrote a bit about it here http://therearethornstoo.blogspot.com/2011... -- but know going in that the topic is unrelated to this one. - Prosey BUTTONS!
(just sent her that question) - Prosey BUTTONS!
Wow (from Wikipedia): "The LDS Church believes that there will be a temple built within Jerusalem. The LDS Church is one of only a few churches that believe in the building of temples. They are usually built within an area where they can benefit an existing congregation. This means that there most likely will be members in Israel before this temple is built as a result of missionary... more... - Sean McBride
That Masonic vibe is to be expected, really. Most contemporary Mormon practice don't put on display what had them classified as a *cult* for such a long time (the legacy of which remains existent) - those beliefs are still there, but for many young Mormons, they are dismissed as "older" beliefs. I don't know if I'm explaining that in a way that makes sense...it's like looking at modern... more... - Prosey BUTTONS!
I am surprised that no one that I have noticed (especially in the mainstream media) has pointed out that Mormon doctrine could be construed to be anti-Semitic -- perhaps even virulently anti-Semitic. There is not a chance in hell that Mitt Romney really intends to take orders from Israel, as he has suggested. (So, Berthe: that question has been answered -- Romney is not likely to be a stooge for Likud or AIPAC -- at least not by free choice.) - Sean McBride
"Concerning the temple in Jerusalem, Orson Pratt stated, "By and by there will be a Temple built at Jerusalem. Who do you think is going to build it? You may think that it will be the unbelieving Jews who rejected the Savior. I believe that that which is contained on the 77th page of the Book of Mormon, as well as in many other places, in that same book, will be literally fulfilled. The... more... - Sean McBride
Here is the money quote from Wikipedia on Mormon attitudes towards Israel and Jews: "More recently Bruce R. McConkie stated, "Who are those 'that are far off' who shall come to Jerusalem to build the house of the Lord? Surely they are the Jews who have been scattered afar. By what power and under whose authorization shall the work be done? There is only one place under the whole heavens... more... - Sean McBride
Wow...that is an inflammatory statement regardless. I am still waiting for my friend's response, and I wonder now what her answer will be. Hell, I'm *NON* religious, and I find that statement pretty incendiary. Of course, I grew up in protestant christianity, so I'm not lacking in understanding of the heavy undertones there. - Prosey BUTTONS!
Bottom line: Mormon Zionists seem to be as apocalyptic in their thinking as Christian Zionists. Mitt Romney is a Mormon Zionist, just like John Hagee is a Christian Zionist. So, to answer my own question at the beginning of this thread, there is an important religious and esoteric component to Mitt Romney's views on Mideast politics. He is quite likely not a foreign policy realist and rationalist by any stretch of the imagination. - Sean McBride
Prosey -- which branch of Protestantism did you grow up in? - Sean McBride
Wikipedia rocks -- it's amazing. - Sean McBride
You'll love this. I was initially christened Catholic (and went to parochial school during my early primaries), but my mother returned to her preferred doctrine. Assemblies of God. That is what I grew up in from the age of 7 until I left home...and the church. (Might also explain a lot of my views that are almost, but not quite, anti-theist.) - Prosey BUTTONS!
A bit of a Christian mongrel. :) As am I -- some of my family members were Episcopalians, and I was exposed to that tradition. - Sean McBride
My grandmother was Episcopalian, her brother an AG minister. My father, former Catholic; my step-dad, converted from Catholicism to non-denom (evangelical); my ex Lutheran (though his sister is something else, can't remember offhand). After I left home, while I was still a semi-practicing Christian, my preferred denomination (and one I still hold a degree of affection for the hands-off approach) was Methodist. Yep...definitely a mutt. - Prosey BUTTONS!
My personal explorations about religion led me to atheism, ultimately (and ironically, I am an ordained minister within the atheist "system" which is less of a oxymoron than it sounds LOL). I have a deep appreciation (and wariness) of historical facets of world religions. - Prosey BUTTONS!
Ex sister-in-law...Presbytarian. Memory came back while I was cleaning up the FAO Schwartz bomb. - Prosey BUTTONS!
"When Martin Luther King, Jr. came to Detroit in June 1963 to stage a civil rights march, George Romney issued a proclamation in support of the event and sent two representatives to it on his behalf, but did not attend himself because it was on a Sunday.[101] Romney did participate in a smaller march protesting housing discrimination the following Saturday in Grosse Pointe, after King... more... - Berthe
Again, I don't know what to make of Mitt Romney as of now. His family history, that Mormons were persecuted and driven into Mexico, and his father making his way in the business world away from Utah and growing up in Michigan where there weren't a lot of Mormons - I think he was the only one in his high school - and his own career, which doesn't seem to have been in a Mormon-dominated world --- It wouldn't seem like Mitt Romney is any kind of Mormon triumphalist. - Berthe
The accomodation with Israel partisans is unavoidable. Think of every president after Eisenhower (who stopped France, Britain and Israel from taking back the Suez Canal by force.) One thing we already know is that Obama has failed in dealing with the Israel partisans. Bush let them bankrupt the US. Clinton let Israel double the number of West Bank settlers all the while diddling with... more... - Berthe
My friend admitted honestly that she has no idea. She told me that she hasn't been to temple in a couple of years and is a bit rusty on doctrine. A few other people I could ask, but I think the wiki stuff pretty well answers the question. - Prosey BUTTONS!
Berthe -- go back and read that Salon.com article carefully, sentence by sentence. Mitt Romney is one of the most powerful religious leaders within the Mormon establishment -- he is not simply a believer in or member of the religion. And Mormons do indeed hold many "interesting" beliefs about the End Times that are quite consonant with those of Christian Zionists and Christian... more... - Sean McBride
(and to point, I don't know if it matters whether he actually believes some of the stranger stuff in the doctrine...many young Mormons don't...but the point is that Romney's strength of belief isn't really relevant) - Prosey BUTTONS!
George W. Bush's Christian Zionist beliefs played a key role in getting us into the Iraq War -- a multi-trillion dollar disaster. Are we going to have a repeat of this madness? Mitt Romney is chomping at the bit to go to war against Iran -- why? - Sean McBride
Sean McBride
A few questions for Mitt Romney, especially on Mormon religious doctrine and politics
What role has Mormon religious doctrine played in forming your views on Mideast politics? - Sean McBride
What is the role of Israel in Mormon religious doctrine? - Sean McBride
What is the role of Jews in Mormon religious doctrine? - Sean McBride
How do your views on eschatology differ from those of Christian Zionists like John Hagee and Pat Robertson? - Sean McBride
Which two or three authors have most influenced your thinking on Mormonism? - Sean McBride
Which two or three books should we read to understand Mormon views on the End Times? - Sean McBride
Why have you loaded up your organization with many of the same neocons who engineered the Iraq War? - Sean McBride
Why have you loaded up your organization with many of the same neocons who ruined the Bush 43 administration? - Sean McBride
Are you worried that an Iran War might be as big a foreign policy disaster for Americans as the Iraq War? - Sean McBride
What in your mind is the worst-case scenario for the outcome of an American war on Iran? - Sean McBride
Do you think that American interests and values are perfectly consonant with those of Israel? If not, how do they differ? - Sean McBride
What is the role of Jerusalem in Mormon religious doctrine? - Sean McBride
Do you think that neoconservatives and Christian Zionists have been good for America? Why might you think that? - Sean McBride
All I can say is, if he was asked these questions he would feel entitled to dissemble! Either way, the answers would be no win for him. It is an important question: why are we so beholden to Israel? What has Israel ever done for us? I don't think our public discourse will get to that question through politicians, the source of the problem, the answer to the problem: We're beholden to Israel because Israel partisans spread money around. - Berthe
I think we need to know if Mitt Romney is going to get Americans involved in disastrous Mideast wars because of his religious beliefs. We would have to be crazy not to shine a spotlight on this issue -- so much is at stake. Is Mitt Romney a Mormon version of John Hagee or Pat Robertson? We need to know. - Sean McBride
I agree that the questions are important. However, regardless, Romney's getting the GOP nomination. That is what is coming. The options, come November, are Obama or Romney. I think, much as I hate to say it, even if he did answer those questions, the viewpoint is one that is loved by the Republican establishment. - Prosey BUTTONS!
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Newt Gingrich’s Deep Neocon Ties Drive His Bellicose Middle East Policy - The Daily Beast - http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...
Newt Gingrich’s Deep Neocon Ties Drive His Bellicose Middle East Policy - The Daily Beast
"Since his days in the House, Gingrich has always attached himself to the most extreme neocon elements of American and Israeli politics. Adelson’s $18 million in contributions since 2006 only further fueled Newt’s already chronic case of bombast. And as record-making as Adelson’s super PAC and other gifts to Newt are, they wouldn’t cover the cost of a single airstrike on a single Iranian facility. The price tag on what Gingrich calls “maximum covert operations” and possibly a full-scale war on Iran—both acceptable to Gingrich--would surely compete with the human and fiscal costs of the last conflagration he helped drag us into—the war in Iraq that has gone almost wholly unmentioned this primary season." - Sean McBride from Bookmarklet
"If elected, Gingrich would be the first American president to emerge from the dark think-tank world born in the Reagan era that gave us the Iraq War and lusts now for an Iranian reprise. A Likudnik version of the Manchurian candidate, Newt has spent much of his post-Congress life in the grasp of warrior colonies like the American Enterprise Institute (AEI), the think tank where he... more... - Sean McBride
"Aren’t we all entitled to learn, as my colleague Peter Beinart already suggested, if Gingrich thinks he made a mistake in the lead-up to the war and if he’s learned anything from it? Since the WMD language about Iran now used by Gingrich and his neocon allies is almost identical to war whoops that took us into Iraq, why should we listen to the same seers? It’s not just the Republican... more... - Sean McBride
"Gingrich’s ties to the cabal that gave us the Iraq War go back at least to the mid 90s, when he took over the House. In August 1994, he went to Israel with his then wife Marianne on an eight-day trip paid for by AIPAC, the premier pro-Israel lobby. By her own account, that’s when she met Robert Loewenberg, who ran both the Israel Export Development Corporation (IEDC), a business group... more... - Sean McBride
A hugely important article by Wayne Barrett. It needs to be read in full and carefully absorbed. - Sean McBride
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Report: Adelson's Company Investigated for Bribery – Forward.com - http://www.forward.com/article...
"The casino company owned by American billionaire Sheldon Adelson, a close ally of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, has been under federal investigation for the last year for alleged bribery of foreign officials, ABC News is reporting. Adelson, the main donor to U.S. presidential candidate Newt Gingrich and the owner of the Israeli daily Israel Hayom, holds 49% of the Sands casino company, and according to reports, is directly involved in the company’s operations. The casino that the company set up in the Chinese island of Macau turned it into the largest gambling company in the world. Last year, the Department of Justice and the Securities Exchange Commission launched an investigation into Adelson’s alleged bribery of Chinese officials.According to ABC, Sands casinos was allegedly cooperating with Chinese organized crime groups, known as triads, who allegedly organized high stakes gambling and sex junkets. Chinese press reported at the time that more than 100 prostitutes were found... more... - Sean McBride from Bookmarklet
Newt Gingrich is one of Sheldon Adelson's numerous bribees -- to the tune of $10 million (and reportedly $20 million in total down the line). - Sean McBride
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Oil industry sees China winning, West losing from Iran sanctions — War in Context - http://warincontext.org/2012...
"As the European Union prepares to ban Iranian oil and the United States turns the screw on payments, oil executives and policymakers say China and Russia stand to gain the most and Western oil firms and consumers may emerge the biggest losers." - Sean McBride from Bookmarklet
Barack Obama will be blamed for severely damaging the American and European economies on behalf of a foreign policy dictated by Benjamin Netanyahu and Likud. - Sean McBride
Or Obama is a hero as the only person in US Goverrnement standing against the Israel Firsters - WarLord
So far Obama has caved in in every confrontation with Benjamin Netanyahu. - Sean McBride
So far we aren't at war with Iran and did you notice no joint military exercise, so umm I grade that one false on the old truth-o-meter - WarLord
Obama, taking his marching orders from the Israeli government and the Israel lobby, has already ratcheted up tension with Iran to such a degree that a war could begin at any moment due to a slight miscalculation by any of the involved parties. A false flag op conducted by Israel could plunge us into full-scale war at any instant. The forces driving us into war are relentless and are escalating their efforts with each passing week. The tone of hysteria coming from Israeli circles is unmistakable. - Sean McBride
Sean causation is not correlation, Obama has kept the lid on while the Neo-Con media and Congress and Republican candidats are bat shit for war. At this point if Obama was NOT pushing back we would already have launched the bombing raid - WarLord
Obama is relatively powerless compared to all the forces that are lined up against him. He is hanging on by the skin of his teeth. - Sean McBride
Yes but he cancelled that exercise that was slap at BiBi and your opinion on Obama is vitriolic but no more accurate. My take is he's stopped the train before it left the station waiting for China lobby to face off with Israels - WarLord
There are now reports that the military exercises will go forward. And my opinion on Obama isn't "vitriolic" -- it's entirely fact-based. I was a big booster of Obama in the last election and voted for him. - Sean McBride
WarLord -- I have a pretty detailed understanding of what is going on with the Iran issue: http://friendfeed.com/search... I actually read most of these items. - Sean McBride
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"There is a heated debate going on in the US regarding the application of the term “Israeli Firster,” meaning a person who puts Israel’s interest before those of his own country. Some people argue that the term itself is anti-Semitic; the Israeli right, on the other hand, explicitly expects Jews to be loyal to Israel first and foremost, even if it means confronting their own society. Caroline B. Glick, the Jerusalem Post’s deputy editor, has published what could only be described as a handbook for dual loyalty, appropriately titled “The Zionist imperative.” Money quote is at the end (my emphasis): "We must hope that world Jewry will recognize today that the fate of the Jewish people in Israel and throughout the world is indivisible and rally to Israel’s side whatever the social cost of doing so."" - Sean McBride from Bookmarklet
Any thoughts from Key West? - Sean McBride
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Chris Hayes stunning 'Story of the Week' featuring Sheldon Adelson (Mondoweiss) - http://mondoweiss.net/2012...
"Most troubling are Adelson's views on foreign policy. He's most focused on Israel where his wife was born and where he owns one of the country's three major papers. His views on the Middle East place him far outside a mainstream that is already quite far to the right. He does not believe in a two-state solution telling Jewish Week last year the two-state solution is a steppingstone for the destruction of Israel and the Jewish people. He even attacked AIPAC from the right when it circulated a letter in Congress urging members to fund the Palestinian Authority. New Yorker reports he referred to the wildly praised and respected and peaceful Palestinian Prime Minister Salam Fayyed as 'a terrorist'. One prominent Israeli journalist saying of Adelson "When it comes to his views on the Palestinian Israel conflict he is a right-wing extremist". Perhaps most worryingly Adelson is also a strenuous advocate of war with Iran. You'll notice of course Adelson view on foreign policies aren't very... more... - Sean McBride from Bookmarklet
"Now, whether or not Gingrich comes by his dangerous and morally bankrupt policy views honestly or whether he views them as a strategic means of keeping Adelson's checks coming, the point here is less Gingrich and Adelson than the new frontier they are forging, together. The complete and total breakdown of our campaign finance system, combined with the explosion of inequality means that... more... - Sean McBride
"Whatever Adelson's particular beliefs are ...the bigger issue is the new Post-Citizen's United Superpac Universe that we operate in...this is the frontier.. at a certain point you wonder when we're gonna see a $100 million spent, because it's worth quite a bit to have the President of the United States owe you a favor." - Sean McBride
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Iran oil halt ‘would raise price 30 per cent’ — War in Context - http://warincontext.org/2012...
"The International Monetary Fund (IMF) has warned that global crude prices could rise as much as 30 per cent if Iran halted oil exports as a result of US and European Union sanctions. If Iran halts exports to countries without offsets from other sources, it would likely trigger an “initial” oil price jump of 20 to 30 per cent, or about $20 to $30 per barrel, the IMF said in its first public comment on a possible Iranian oil supply disruption." - Sean McBride from Bookmarklet
A perfect play for someone in the oil industry to make. - Todd Hoff
Think international financial speculators and gangsters -- they've been on top of this game for more than a century. - Sean McBride
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Isikoff blast at Gingrich backer -- 'Israel is in my heart' -- puts 'Israel firster' issue in mainstream - http://mondoweiss.net/2012...
"Video of Sheldon Adelson saying he "unfortunately" wore the uniform of the American military not the Israeli army, and that he wants his son to be a sniper for the Israeli army (4:45 on). "All we care about is being good citizens of Israel."" - Sean McBride from Bookmarklet
"In a talk to an Israeli group in July, 2010, Adelson said he wished he had served in the Israeli Army rather than the U.S. military—and that he hoped his young son would come back to Israel and “be a sniper for the IDF,” a reference to the Israel Defense Forces. (YouTube video of speech) “I am not Israeli. The uniform that I wore in the military, unfortunately, was not an Israeli... more... - Sean McBride
Adelson is running ads about abortion in Florida, slamming Romney. He doesn't care about abortion. - Berthe
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Sheldon Adelson, Newt Gingrich, Israel Firsters and an Iran War (Mondoweiss) - http://mondoweiss.net/2012...
Sheldon Adelson, Newt Gingrich, Israel Firsters and an Iran War (Mondoweiss)
"The most important blow was delivered yesterday by Mike Isikoff in a great piece of reporting on Sheldon Adelson at NBC, featuring the video above, that squarely addresses the issue of Who benefits from an attack on Iran-- and says that Adelson has Israel in his heart. The thrust of the piece is that Adelson has conflated Israel's interest and the United States, and that's wrong. This graphic from Adelson's Israeli newspaper says it all. The translation in Isikoff's piece says that Gingrich states that Obama is risking a second Holocaust with his Iran policy." - Sean McBride from Bookmarklet
Pushing the Holocaust button is what set Andrew Adler in motion, when he called for the Israeli Mossad to assassinate Barack Obama. - Sean McBride
In 1960 the Mossad captured Adolf Eichmann http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki... in Argentina. They kidnapped him brought him to Israel, where he was tried and executed. That has set the tone for Israel in following years. - WarLord
And now we've reached the point where the publisher of the Atlanta Jewish Times has called for the assassination of an American president by the Israeli Mossad. A slippery slope to say the least. - Sean McBride
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Bush & Obama? Israeli assassinations and US Presidents - http://www.councilforthenation...
Bush & Obama? Israeli assassinations and US Presidents
"Adler writes that it is highly likely that the idea “has been discussed in Israel’s most inner circles.” Numerous Jewish leaders quickly condemned Adler, who has now apologized for the column, resigned, and put the newspaper up for sale. An Israeli columnist noted that the hatred being stirred up against Obama is similar to conditions in Israel that led to the murder of Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin by a Jewish extremist. Many of those criticizing Adler claim that he had defamed Israel by suggesting that it would ever do such a thing. Abe Foxman, head of the Jewish Anti-Defamation League (ADL) proclaimed: “There is absolutely no excuse, no justification, no rationalization for this kind of rhetoric. It doesn’t even belong in fiction.” In reality, however, Adler’s expectation that Israel’s inner circles have explored such a course of action, and would be willing to undertake it, may be entirely accurate. The fact is that Israel has killed and plotted to assassinate people throughout the world; a number have been Americans. One alleged plot was chillingly similar to Adler’s suggestion." - Sean McBride from Bookmarklet
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If the Atlanta Jewish Times were the Atlanta Muslim Times, everyone associated with the paper would now be in Gitmo.
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Newspaper Editor: Israel Should Consider Assassinating Obama [UPDATE] - http://gawker.com/5877892/
Newspaper Editor: Israel Should Consider Assassinating Obama [UPDATE]
I'm guessing this is the opposite of the spineless Obama meme. No need to shoot him if he's a willing stooge going to war with Iran. This sounds more like my theory, only person stopping the Iran Regime change parade is our president. This keeps up and Israel is going to lose far more than an election. What do you suppose Obama does after re-election when AIPAC means nothing? - WarLord
You'll enjoy this one http://www.youtube.com/watch...& Stuff Obama Supporters Say - Berthe
Thats Ok dude BTW did you notice Katerine Sebellious, Obama appointee did absolutely marvelous work at HHS with employer contraceptive issue. I'm guessing it would have been Ron Paul pro-life disaster Appointees matter somertimes even more than the President - WarLord
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Atlanta Jewish Times apologizes for Obama assassination scenario | JTA - Jewish & Israel News - http://www.jta.org/news...
"The owner of the Atlanta Jewish Times apologized for an opinion column in which he counted President Obama's assassination as among Israel's options in heading off a nuclear Iran." - Sean McBride from Bookmarklet
"In a Jan. 13 column, Adler, who is also the paper's publisher, outlined what he said were three possible responses by Israel to Iran's acquiring a nuclear weapon: A preemptive strike against Hamas and Hezbollah, terrorist groups that he said would be emboldened by a nuclear Iran; a direct strike on Iran; and "three, give the go-ahead for U.S.-based Mossad agents to take out a president... more... - Sean McBride
"U.S.-based Mossad agents" - Sean McBride
"forcefully dictate that the United States policy includes its helping the Jewish state obliterate its enemies" - Sean McBride
"He continued: "Yes you read 'three' correctly. Order a hit on a president in order to preserve Israel's existence. Think about it. If I have thought of this Tom Clancy-type scenario, don't you think that this almost unfathomable idea has been discussed in Israel's most inner circles?"" - Sean McBride
Amazing. Should certainly be getting more attention. - Berthe
O/T an article about the Kennedy assassination and whether or not Oswald could drive. http://oswaldsmother.blogspot.com/2012... I was aware of the controversies about the assassination, magic bullet and all, for years but what really got me interested was a 40th anniversary show - would have been 2003 - that included film of an interview with Ruth Paine. She was so very poised. - Berthe
I watched live TV stunned to see Jack Ruby shoot Lee Harvey Oswald at point blank range while Oswald was held by a Dallas Police officer. It was supposed to be a routine prisoner transfer. I have sinse that day nurtured a deep cynicism about America, politics and our Oligarchy and of course I've never ever believed the Warren Report - WarLord
WarLord, look into Ruth Paine. As that link says, Ruth claimed that she was teaching Oswald to drive and the Warren Report said Oswald couldn't drive but there were witnesses who said he did drive. Don't quote me on this (who would you quote me to?) but I believe I have read that all of the "incriminating" evidence against Oswald was found in Ruth's garage (the photo of Oswald with the... more... - Berthe
It was Ruth who got Oswald the job at the Texas Book Depository. - Berthe
What really struck me was how poised she was. Now that we've all seen ourselves on home video (unlike 1963 when so few people video recorded), it stands out. I always look like I'm being held hostage in home videos. - Berthe
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Zbig says Israelis 'buy influence' in Congress and play Obama - http://mondoweiss.net/2012...
"The discourse is opening up on the central political question involving Middle East policy-making: what is the influence of the Israel lobby? Tom Friedman's "bought and paid for" column in the Times was huge. David Bromwich has a great piece about the Republicans up at the New York Review of Books that, echoing Friedman, speaks frankly about the role of conservative Jewish money in the Republican race. Then there's this from Jordan Michael Smith at Salon, interviewing Zbig Brzezinski:" - Sean McBride from Bookmarklet
"He thinks the Obama administration “should have stuck to its guns in promoting a fair settlement” in the Middle East. A longtime foe of Israel’s partisans in the United States, he says the Obama team “fumbled by getting outmaneuvered by the Israelis.” Then he gets blunter: “Domestic politics interceded: The Israelis have a lot of influence with Congress, and in some cases they are able... more... - Sean McBride
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Bruce Riedel: Netanyahu’s Goal is ‘Regime Change’…in Washington « Tikun Olam-תיקון עולם: Make the World a Better Place - http://www.richardsilverstein.com/tikun_o...
"In the Q&A session afterward, Riedel speaks about how the presidential election factors into an Israeli decision to attack Iran. He says that it’s “abundantly clear” that one of Bibi’s primary goals is “regime change on the Potomac.” An Israeli attack would, in the prime minister’s thinking, put Obama “in a tough place” because his range of responses will be limited by political considerations, even more so than were there no election (and even in that event, a president would not be as free to sanction Israel as he might wish). That means that an Obama who is embarrassed is a good thing for Bibi and his political sugar daddy, Sheldon Adelson (whose money is on Newt Gingrich). One of the current president’s few strong suits in his first term has been national security. For an Israeli PM to tarnish that reputation by calling out a U.S. president might make the latter look small. Especially to be bested by a relatively small power like Israel. That is something Bibi would relish." - Sean McBride from Bookmarklet
"Also, Bibi bested Obama during the settlement freeze fiasco. He bloodied the new president’s nose and taught him a lesson that Israel’s right-wing leader wasn’t to be toyed with. As a result, the U.S. has been a paper tiger in its dealings on the Israel-Palestine question. Once someone like Bibi gets a taste of that heady stuff, of taking down a peg or two a president he views as insufficiently supportive of Israel, the impulse to do it again will be strong." - Sean McBride
"And of course, the more Bibi ties us up dealing with Iran the less time or inclination we will have to muck about in the Israel-Palestine mess. Which is all to Bibi’s liking. He knows that the more time and attention the world gives to that conflict, the worse off it will be for Israel. That’s why Iran poses such a terrific distraction. As I’ve written here, I don’t fully believe Bibi... more... - Sean McBride
"In Foreign Policy, Colin Kahl, a former U.S. Defense undersecretary responsible for Mideast affairs argues forcefully against any strike against Iran. He argues that the imminence theory of the pro-war crowd which argues that an Iranian nuclear weapon is on the horizon within the next six months is bogus. He says that Iran may have enough uranium to make a bomb within that time frame... more... - Sean McBride
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Israel: No Iranian Nuclear Weapons Program; Barak: Any decision to Strike Iran "Far off." | Informed Comment - http://www.juancole.com/2012...
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"Israel’s dream is that the United States will do the bombing for or in conjunction with it — one reason for the Israeli refusal to clarify its intentions. But, short of an outrageous Iranian provocation such as blocking the Strait of Hormuz, that’s not going to happen before November. In an election year, with U.S. intelligence convinced Iran is not yet building a bomb, Obama will not send oil prices soaring and the Muslim world into another bout of anti-American rage. A lot of his presidency has been precisely about extraction from war and easing of Islamic hostility." - Sean McBride from Bookmarklet
"Here’s the bottom line: an Israeli attack unites Iran in fury, locks in the Islamic Republic for a generation, cements the Syrian regime, radicalizes the Arab world at a moment of delicate transition, ignites Hezbollah on the Lebanese border, boosts Hamas, endangers U.S. troops in the region, sparks terrorism, propels oil skyward, triggers a possible regional war, offers a lifeline to... more... - Sean McBride
Curious that the Grey Lady would print this. Perhaps tiring of being Neo-Con flag carrier - WarLord
The Iraq War did enormous and permanent damage to the reputation of the once illustrious and respected New York Times. A disastrous Iran War which was promoted or enabled by the Times would be the final nail its coffin. The Times is already a laughingstock among serious bloggers. - Sean McBride
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The “anti-Semitism” smear campaign against CAP and Media Matters rolls on - Salon.com (Glenn Greenwald) - http://www.salon.com/2012...
"Since then, the standard army of low-level smear merchants has continued attacking these CAP and MM writers as anti-Semites. Last week in Haaretz, Marty Peretz’ long-time assistant, Jamie Kirchick, ironically claimed that it was Block and other neocons who are the victims of “McCarthyism” even as Kirchick, in the same column, advanced the witch hunt to expose hidden anti-Semites in America’s think tanks and media outlets (an even greater irony is found in Kirchick’s self-anointed status as anti-bigotry crusader despite his long-term work for Peretz, probably the single most flagrant bigot and unapologetic spewer of hate speech in mainstream American discourse: but since it’s aimed at Arabs and Muslims, it’s all permissible)." - Sean McBride from Bookmarklet
"Though Block has now been erased from the picture, this is clearly his smear campaign being aggressively carried out. The goal here is the same as it always is for efforts to smear critics of Israel (or those who question the AIPAC line on U.S. policy toward the region) as anti-Semites: namely, to gather scalps, even low-level ones, in order to intimidate others from questioning or... more... - Sean McBride
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The Israel Lobby Finds a New Face: Black College Students - COLORLINES - http://colorlines.com/archive...
The Israel Lobby Finds a New Face: Black College Students - COLORLINES
"When Vincent Evans arrived as a bright-eyed first-year at Florida A&M, the country’s largest historically black university, he knew he wanted to get involved in politics. So when an older student leader approached him one afternoon after a student government meeting to ask if he wanted an all expenses paid trip to D.C., Evans jumped at the opportunity. The trip, it turned out, was sponsored by the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, or AIPAC, the country’s most powerful pro-Israel lobbying outfit. Israel is under growing attack from Palestinian and international activists who call the country a racist apartheid state. In response, its staunchest U.S. lobby is recruiting black students as moral shields to make the case for Israeli impunity. At historically black colleges and universities (known as HBCU’s) around the country, AIPAC is finding and developing a cadre of black allies to declare there’s no way Israel can be racist." - Sean McBride from Bookmarklet
A big story on Twitter today. - Sean McBride
"In his four years in college, Evans traveled to D.C. at least 10 times on AIPAC’s dime. He and a small group of other student leaders from his school joined hundreds of others from around the country, including other HBCU students, for AIPAC’s semi-annual Saban Leadership Seminar. “Within the program,” says Evans, “they make a concerted effort to reach out to HBCU and majority Hispanic... more... - Sean McBride
"AIPAC trained Evans and other students in lobbying and campaign work and provided a crash course in its staunchly Zionist version of Middle East history and politics. Participants are introduced to American and Israeli political leaders and spend afternoons walking Capitol Hill to lobby for Israel." - Sean McBride
"It seemed to Evans an opportunity of a lifetime. “You’re talking about a lot of students who grew up in a socio-economic place that does not give them these opportunities,” said Evans. “We met amazing people. I met Netanyahu. In 2007 or 2008 I met all the Democratic candidates for president. My dad cried when I met Obama. [AIPAC] opens your eyes to things you’ve never seen.”" - Sean McBride
Brainwashed bots mechanically regurgitating AIPAC talking points -- right? Read the full article. - Sean McBride
This story continues to be big on Twitter today. - Sean McBride
I kind of remember Max Blumenthal doing something on this last year, i.e., Israel partisans financing black students to attend events. - Berthe
Richard Silverstein today: "New Pro-Israel Hasbara Meme: Blackwashing" http://www.richardsilverstein.com/tikun_o... "Does the Israel lobby care about African-American students? Does it care about the issues close to their heart? Is it about to reach out to Blacks to create political coalitions to advance causes of mutual interest to... more... - Sean McBride
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Ed Koch is attacking Hillary Clinton and the US government on behalf of the Israeli government and the Israel lobby. http://www.jewishworldreview.com/0112...
A Democrat? A liberal? A progressive? Or an ultra-right-wing Likud Zionist who couldn't care less about American interests and values? - Sean McBride
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Ed Koch is promoting the assassination of Iranian scientists on behalf of the Israeli government and the Israel lobby. http://www.jewishworldreview.com/0112...
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