"We're at a critical juncture in the evolution of software. The web is still here and it is still strong. Anyone can still put any information or applications on a web server without asking for permission, and anyone in the world can still access it just by typing a URL. I don't think I appreciated how important that is until recently. Nobody designs new systems like that anymore, or at least few of them succeed. What an incredible stroke of luck the web was, and what a shame it would be to let that freedom slip away. I do not wish to fight any mobile device makers who want to create a software ecosystem and act as the gatekeepers for that ecosystem. What I do want to fight for is the viability of the mobile web. Developers are rushing to create native apps, meanwhile letting their mobile web apps atrophy (I have certainly been guilty of that myself). Web technology is still relatively weak, and improving slowly. At this pace, what will the mobile web look like in 10 years? Will we...
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- Paul Buchheit
from Bookmarklet
But will Facebook stop working on iPhone apps just because of this? No. Neither will Google. Unfortunately, the big companies that have the clout to do something will not stand up for developer's rights, as long as the consumer insists on buying the iPhone and other such locked down devices.
- Piaw Na
In fairness to Google they are fighting for openness in the one conduit they control which is Android. Its asking a lot to expect them to completely boycott iPhone which would be their only other leverage with Apple.
- Ed Millard
Well, then I should expect Facebook to support Android, as well as all the other companies that have the resources to do so. :-)
- Piaw Na
Piaw, are you saying that facebook isn't supporting android? last i checked there was a facebook android app -- plus, this is just one guy's opinions, he does not speak for facebook (as far as i can tell)
- Chris Heath
Piaw, I'd imagine that Apple's non-approval of several Google apps has prompted Google to devote more resources to making superb Android apps (and yes, apps for the Pre and Blackberry) than iPhone. Where it really hurts is apps that have a hardware component. I don't know many/any developers willing to make consumer apps for the iPhone that require a hardware component because the rist...
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- Kevin Fox
I imagine Facebook is putting their resources in the ports their user base is demanding. The number of users they have on iPhone demands attention, and shorting it for reasons that are somewhat political probably isn't wise. With the growing popularity of Android it will probably warrant increased resources. Kind of sounds like Joe would rather make the web app work better and that would be more platform agnostic though its pretty hard to do a really exceptional mobile experience through a browser.
- Ed Millard
Is there a FB ad on Android? I switched from Android back to Blackberry earlier this year, but I definitely remember that there was no Android app before I switched.
- Piaw Na
I guess he's got his heart in the right place, but I can't get too worked up about this issue, not coming from the console game work, where all the platforms are locked down and always have been.
- Andrew C
from Android
I've never seen a major-label game be blocked from publication on a major platform for ambiguous and arbitrary reasons. Imagine if Modern Warfare 2 requires a patch to fix a hack and Microsoft decided to disallow it because they've decided that they don't want warfare scenes that take place within the United States? That's a fairer comparison.
- Kevin Fox
I have heard a few horror stories of games being rejected, or at least delayed, because the console manufacturer in question had its own strategic reasons for doing so (because they had a similar in-house game coming out, or because they thought there were too many similar games coming out at once). Not quite the same thing, but still a pretty dangerous situation if you're the developer.
- Joel Webber
Console platforms have a limited life (try playing the PS games on the PS3). Phone OS, however, look like they'll be around for the long term.
- Piaw Na
Joel, those reasons aren't ambiguous nor are they arbitrary.
- Chris Heath
They may not be literally arbitrary, but they are still opaque to the developer, and not in the developer's best interest. Not precisely the same thing (and probably less common), but close enough to bear mentioning.
- Joel Webber
Piaw, dude, you switched from Android to Blackberry? You are a man who loves outdated tools :)
- j1m
The switch was entirely based on my need for international roaming data plans at $20/month flat fee (this is on top of the standard fee, but the only time I *really need* data is when I'm roaming!). If any other smart phone came with that feature, I'd switch.
- Piaw Na
Joel, when an app is rejected at the time of a bugfix for reasons that existed in the released product for months, or when an app is rejected for an issue which exists in dozens of other apps that have been approved and a developer is shunned when bringing up this inconstant application of rules, then yes, I would call it arbitrary.
- Kevin Fox
Sorry, Kevin, wasn't being clear -- I was just responding to the assertion that console approval processes weren't as arbitrary as Apple's. I agree.-- Aplle's is even worse, and that's saying something!
- Joel Webber
Oh it had already happened by the time I got there. I helped them with a redesign of their Page Creator, Site Creator, and file management tools. The glory that is GeoCities design was entirely of its users' making. GeoCities was made of people. The original MySpace.
- Kevin Fox
We were your competitors over at FreeServers. My Uncle founded Freeservers.com :-)
- Jesse Stay
BTW, for some odd reason Freeservers is still up (owned by United Online, owners of NetZero, etc)
- Jesse Stay
We used to talk about creating what would now be called a social network at Freeservers. Not sure what happened to that. I guess it's no surprise we didn't see anything considering they're owned by the owners of Classmates.com :-)
- Jesse Stay
Of course the big thing back then was becoming the next "Portal"
- Jesse Stay
Yeah. It was ironic that when I started at Google they were very wary of becoming the next 'Portal' where portal meant 'walled garden'. In actuality, a portal is a thing that you go through to get from where you are to where you're going, and in that context Google was already more of a portal than any of the other major players, but terms shift...
- Kevin Fox
yeah, funny especially considering iGoogle, etc.
- Jesse Stay
Well, that was way before iGoogle. But even then the idea of a dashboard was more appealing to Google than a walled garden of content.
- Kevin Fox
Rock on, Kevin. Looking forward to your next big thing. twss.
- Josh Haley
XKCD's View Source is classic. Sample: <SCRIPT LANGUAGE="QBASIC">IF $BROWSER = "IE" THEN GOTO 50</SCRIPT>
- Stephen Mack
"Today, we get evidence that another MacBook Pro might be on the verge of release or has at least hit the testing phase. Current Macbook Pros are sitting at Model 5_*, and we’re now seeing references to 6_* models in system files. We could see some Core i7 based Macbook Pros a lot sooner than some suspect."
- Shevonne
from Bookmarklet
What are the odds these will feature Home, End, or Backspace keys?
- LANjackal
"On the morning of last year's annual Sunflower Fair in La Porte, Indiana, a family, appearing a little lost, walked up and down a crowded street, looking in vain for the table to sign up their entry. They carried a large sunflower with them. If no one noticed the exhausted, grieving look in the family's eyes, that was understandable. The Sunflower Fair is a place of happy noise: rides and music and food booths. It is La Porte's fall festival, and people from across northwest Indiana come to spend a Saturday in the midst of the milling, chattering crowds. The family silently bearing the large sunflower had never been to the fair before. But this was important."
- April Buchheit
from Bookmarklet
It is really sad when people die of simple infections these days. My best friend's mom died of pneumonia when she was only about 48. It was almost as sudden as this case.
- Robert Felty
I saw this on reddit, and yes, I cried. It hit me when they called his name as the winner.
- Carlton Prest
Robert, it is sad. Especially sad that we can't use phage therapy in those extreme cases.
- Daniel Dulitz
it's a sophisticated viral that takes advantage of MS's already lame reputation to create something so excruciating that you just have to tell others about it. File under Singstar.
- Tim Ostler
from BuddyFeed
For all of Microsoft's money, you'd think they could get cameramen, directors, and actors who can tell which camera is the proper one to look at.
- Andy Bakun
Welcome Baby Ryan!!! My baby Ryan (17 years!) and I are honored to welcome another superstar to our planet! Love, hugs, and lots of kisses to Baby Ryan, Mommy Maryam, Dad Robert and big brothers Milan & Patrick and of course Grandma!!! My guess on Ryan's arrival (predication) was only 23 hours off. I thought he would arrive on Friday, Sept. 18th at 11:45 pm. Love to all, Kelly & Ryan Kim
- Kelly S. Kim
What a moment, eh? I remember when my daughter came into this world, it was so exciting there were no words for it. Congrats on your wonderful baby boy!
- Michael J. Carrasquillo
Congratulations! Welcome to the world, Ryan. :-)
- Yvette Ferry
Congratulations Robert and Maryam! And welcome Ryan. If I was having a baby today, I'd begin a blog for him/her straight away as an online diary they could look back on when grown up.
- Sandra Large
الهــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــی چقده ناز نازیه.اینو فارسی نوشتم مریم جان بخونن ....راستی به باباش که نرفته:)) خوشگلتره:)) پس به شما رفته
- joupy
I was a c-section six week preemie in an era when that was seriously life-threatening, they didn't know if I would make for the first week. It always gets me a see a c-section / preemie come howling into the world. Welcome, little guy!
- Bob Morris (polizeros)
from iPhone
Beautiful baby! Congratulations daddy man :)
- Gary
:) Congrats Robert... best wishes to your family! Get her name in twitter and ff!
- Business Blogger【ツ】™
Right ON! I am so happy for you. I have 4 kids of my own and they are my greatest joys. Take care and I hope all goes so smooth for him and mom.
- Robert Anderson
Congrats! I wish a long and healthy life.
- Muammer Okumuş
Robert, you newest addition is too freaking adorable. I hope you and Maryam are doing well. Congratulations! Here's to a long, prosperous future!
- Mike Nayyar
We came in this morning for an aversion proceedure (turn the baby into position). They were expecting to induce if they could get him aimed the right way. Five minutes before they were supposed to do the procedure he turned the right way by himself. Then 20 minutes later he turned again. Drat. Anyway, now they are in the process of inducing and watching. Won't know for sure what's going on until later tonight. -
- Robert Scoble
Right now we're just resting and waiting for the inducing agents to start their jobs. It's still possible that we might have to have a caesarian section, because little Ryan isn't in the right position. More probably later this evening, for now I get to geek out while Maryam takes a nap.
- Robert Scoble
Sending lots of beams to Maryam (and you too!) I am out of the loop. I had no idea that the family was growing (and tell M, I'm going to be a grammy come March 1)
- Nancy White
Fingers crossed for a natural delivery... unless Maryam would prefer a c-section ;) Good Luck.
- Travis Koger
What a handsome name you've chosen ;)
- Ryan Whitwam
Robert: I wish you and your wife the safest and best possible birth experience! Here's to a healthy baby boy and Mom!! Keeping you in my thoughts. Leslie
- Leslie Carothers
Good luck to you both; hope all goes smoothly & swiftly.
- Rachel Luxemburg
Nothing but good and positive wishes to Maryam and you and that RSS will come out the second to prettiest baby ever (naturally ours is the prettiest) *wink*
- Rene Wirtz
David: my other son, Patrick, was named for a saint and Milan was named for one of the best writers ever. So there.
- Robert Scoble
Robert!!!!! What great news; it will be early. Why did they induce if the due date was the 25th, or was I wrong?
- Francine Hardaway
wishing you the best. we have a girl due in a few months :)
- Stalyn☂
Francine: because hospitals like to schedule babies, is my guess (Sequoia is like a hotel). But he was breech and they wanted to get him into position, now that she's here they are doing the induction thing.
- Robert Scoble
Good wishes to all. I've never met you and even I'm nervous.
- Amyloo
Good luck with everything, Robert!!! Very exciting! I hope everything turns out perfect in the end!!
- Fa La La La Lindsay
Best wishes Scobs! This must be a very exiting day!
- Jadito
So the doctor said that Ryan is one of the five most active babies she has seen in her practice which is why they didn't let us go home. Usually babies at this stage stay heads down. Ryan isn't. I think we have a wild one! :-)
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
They have me waiting outside while they prepare to surgically deliver Ryan Soroush Scoble. His life should start within minutes. I wonder what he will be like? What technologies will he see in his lifetime?
- Robert Scoble
from email
ARE YOU KIDDING ME!?!? Type the Contra code (Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, b, a) once you reach the destination of this link and see what happens... TOO COOL! (BONUS WARP ZONE!!! Go to http://buysellads.com and enter the same code. WTF!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?) - http://www.southwest.com/flight...
WHAT!?!? Watch what happens on this site when you punch in the code... http://buysellads.com/ A hippo shits on the homepage. I kid you not. RANDOOOOOM!!!
- Brad Williamson
It's even better when you do it on the iPhone.
- Josh Haley
from iPhone
Yeah, I believe my difficutly has something with my bookmark toolbar interfering. The bookmark sidebar pops up when I do the last B in the code, and that seems to stop whatever else should happen.
- Mark "DerBingle" J
I still can't get over the http://buysellads.com warp zone. Really, who on Earth would program a hippo to shit all over their homepage!? I just don't get it! But I LOVE IT!!!
- Brad Williamson
As of Saturday my parent's home was still there when my dad left. He stayed on the roof with a hose fighting it by himself. The firefighters helped him fight it for a while. They used a pump to pump water from the swimming pool to fight it but eventually the firefighters gave up. The neighbors house burned down. My dad was able to save our house, at least as of Sat. afternoon. It may be gone now. He was going to try and hike back in on Saturday night in order to bypass the roadblock by the Sherriff, but wasn't able to get back in there.
- Thomas Hawk
from Bookmarklet
I think the house may be ok. Well see. On Sat. night when I talked to my mom she said that he'd been able to save the house fighting the fire from the roof. But a storage/garage type structure on the property burned down and 3 cars were lost as of Sat afternoon. The whole thing could be gone now though.
- Thomas Hawk
Oh, Thomas! Many prayers, warm thoughts (warm = the affectionate kind, not the fiery kind), and hugs to you and your family. I hope everyone is safe!
- Ladybug Heather
Oh, man...I am sorry to hear that, TH. Thoughts & prayers to you and your family.
- JA Castillo
they are all safe. my mom was in ventura giving a seminar and my dad stayed until the fire burned through the property on the canyon. There were still hot spots though that could have flared up. He left on Sat. afternoon after saving the home and the fire burned through the property. I think he wanted to get to town as there's no phone/electricity up there to let everyone know he was...
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- Thomas Hawk
Oh, sh*t!! That's awful. Glad to hear your folks are OK, Thomas.
- Andrew Terry
Sending good thoughts your parents way, Thomas. *hugs*
- Molly, "sorry"
I'm so sorry, Thomas. You and family are in prayers, I'm so glad to hear that you are all safe. Your father is a very brave man. Please let them know I am praying for them.
- Melanie Reed
So scary. Best wishes to your folks. The worry must be unbearable.
- Kathy Fitch
I've lived in Altadena/Pasadena for the bulk of my time in Los Angeles, nearly ten years. It's really scary to know that some of the homes that are being lost are undoubtedly friends or relatives of friends and people that I know.
- Derrick
Hope everything turns out good for your parents, looks terrifying
- Kim Landwehr
Hope everything turns out alright, with no more property loss, for your parents!
- Rene Wirtz
How scary and terrible! I'm glad that your parents are ok, though!!
- Susan Dennis
I'm so glad everyone is ok. I'll keep your family in my prayers.
- ChiliMac
I'm glad everyone is safe. Is this the worst fire season in recent years?
- Bryan R. Adams
yeah. this is the worst fire since the fire that burned through there maybe in 1977 or so? I remember that one too. It was pretty bad. This one seems worse though. The other thing that's terrible are the floods that follow the fires the next winter.
- Thomas Hawk
Scary things fires like these. Glad to hear your family's safe though - at the end of the day that's more important than the house.
- John
Really scary. I saw a wildfire up close for the first time this weekend in Yosemite. It's not something I hope to be near again.
- Kevin Pedraja
So sorry to hear this. Good to know that your parents are safe.
- Anne Yeh
ohhhhhhh shit! that totally sucks :-(
- Ralph Reijs
Thomas I am so sorry. I hope their house is ok. Gosh, I feel bad for you guys.
- Jim Williams
I talked with my dad on the phone for the first time today. He seemed fine about it all. He said it was exciting actually. He was the only one there fighting the fire for a long time. He said it was really quiet except for sounds of the fire. He'd hear a tree fall and yell "timber." He was in pretty good spirits all things considered. He's pretty sure the house is saved and hopes that they might escort residents back in in the next few days sometimes in this part of Big Tujunga Canyon.
- Thomas Hawk
I'm sorry to hear about this, but I'm glad everyone is okay!
- Michael Fidler
It is a story all to familiar for us Australians and thankfully my family and I have never been caught up in it ourselves, but have come very close. Glad to hear that your folks are ok and in the least have a story to tell. Everything is replaceable except your life and these types of events bring people to that realisation faster than they would like unfortunately.
- Travis Koger
from iPhone
WHOA! I hated the CA wildfires ..that was something I'll never miss again... augh
- Susan Beebe
Man ,, TH.. Im so glad that the folks are ok ... tell Dad to leave the firefighting to the young guys ,, hope that the folks are safe and that the weather can drop some rain to assist in this disaster ,,
- johnpiercy
TH .. all that matters is that the folks .. are safe ,, homes can be rebuilt .. best wishes sincerely jp
- johnpiercy
he's a pretty crazy but resourceful old dude actually. the firefighters were there helping him for a while but they bailed on the property figuring they couldn't save it and he stayed and fought it off himself.
- Thomas Hawk
Hope the house is okay. Glad to hear the folks are safe. Cheers!
- Helen Sventitsky
Can't think of anything more scary than having to run from your house as it's being surrounded by fire. Very glad everyone is safe though....that's what is important.
- Bonnie Foster
So glad to hear your folks are safe, TH. Wow. Praying for the firefighters and rest of the people caught in this horrible fire season. :-|
- Lisa L. Seifert
OMG! that's really dreadful! glad to know your folks are safe. and stunned that the fire looks so beautiful in this image!
- B.L. Ochman
Yeah WOW. So brave for your dad to fight the fire all by himself. I'm glad to hear he's ok.. I feel a little sorry about their house, it's beautiful :(
- 'Like' robot (frɐnc)
So sorry they have to go through this. Thank you for sharing the story, Thomas.
- Micah Wittman
I was listening to a story on the radio about how quickly you can be engulfed by a forest fire, specially when certain types of trees literally explode raining burning chunks around, honestly, it sounds very risky to stay behind and fight these yourself.
- Ray Cromwell
Thomas, I hope your parents house makes it though the fire OK. I'm glad to hear that your parents are OK, regardless of what happens to the house.
- Jeff P. Henderson
I feel for you Thomas because I've been there just over 6months ago. All I can say is (unfortunately) you're in for a shite of a year ~ http://www.flickr.com/photos...
- Peter Renshaw
glad to hear your folks got out - terrible to see the devastation!
- Kate
glad to hear they're OK but gutted for you TH
- Phill Price
Sorry to hear about your troubles Thomas, but I'm extremely glad your parents are safe and sound. Looks like you guys are having a really bad season
- Mo Kargas
sorry you guys are having to go through this shit. And I'm seriously impressed by your dad! major balls.
- vijay
Sheesh* Scary Poop Batman - hopefully Everybody is OK* I saw that on the Front Page o the Paper this morning + U never think it's somebody U know*
- Billy Warhol
I didn't want to click on the Like link because it's almost like saying I enjoy watching Thomas Hawk's parents house burn down. Hope everyone is safe ;-)
- James Robertson
I am sorry to see the fire was such a danger to you and your family. I sincerely hope your Dad didn't manage to sneak back in - he just endangers himself and the fire fighters.. It is better to have your Dad around than a house.
- Bill Rawlinson
I'm really sorry to see and hear that.........
- Kevin Montgomery
That is so scary, but the biggest thing is that you know where your parents are, and they're safe.
- mark zero (Jason)
My parents went back into their property yesterday afternoon. They were letting some residents back into Big Tujunga Canyon. The house survived but there's a lot of work still to do. The pipes from the water pump to the spring burned up and so my dad's trying to repair those to get water back to the property. Electricity is still out and probably will be for at least a few weeks. He's...
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- Thomas Hawk
It's going to be hard for the whole community now Thomas - it is the same in Greece where there were really devastating fires close to Athens these past few days. At least your parents are safe - all the best.
- Sofia @ SoMaFusion
Word on the street is: Google Reader is where it's at! Forget that Streamy garbage! GReader is the closest thing to FF right now. Come join in, everyone! And someone remind me, where's the list of GR people? Kol?
I'm going to sound really dumb here but...I don't get it. Don't get how GR can be another form of FF...
- Nurse Katie
i keep forgetting to use GR, FF is still here.
- Mike Nencetti
Way to early to start the stampede over there. I have a feeling it'll start getting exponentially lot more like FF by the end of this year. I did enjoy them being separate. :(
- Adi
Yes, sort of, Don. I'll admit, though, I didn't actually use Streamy. I watched the video, and I saw lots of people complaining about how buggy it is, so I was like, meh. No time for that.
- Kamilah Gill
In Google Readers left column: Shared Items=Your friendfeed feed, People you follow=Home feed, Comment view is a new thing that's not excist on friendfeed, but it's the coolest thing: It's there it happens, there you see all the comments on shared items from those you follow. Google Reader=New Friendfeed. please come and join us. http://www.google.com/reader...
- Svartling
@Kamilah got it. we weren't quite ready for the traffic, but we're cleaning it up for you. cheers :)
- Don Mosites
Don, do you work for Streamy? :( I'm glad you didn't take offense. It's nothing personal. I apologize for my sort-of crude language. I'm sure Streamy works well for some things, but it doesn't seem much like FF.
- Kamilah Gill
BEX, I love how your profile bit says "I can kick your ass!" :) Not only do I believe that 100%, but I also think it might be enjoyable for some reason.
- Josh Haley
I'm sure that I could get a little whimper out of you ;)
- BEX
Yep, I was right. I'll be in my bunk.
- Josh Haley
I love how cats pose when initmidated with admirers- not this one though - and hey we are looking through lens of 2nd order paparazi (paparazi of paparazi !!!)
- Rahul Deodhar
نمي دونم حرفامو مي فهمي رفيق يا نه ولي خيلي جالبه
- ramezanifar
This is my most "liked" picture to date, I believe. Long live the LOLcat!
- Josh Haley
when UPS says between 9am and 7pm, they mean whatever time you happen to be in the bathroom.
- tim
Tim is right. :) I once had DSL scheduled to be installed in Berkeley. (in 99?) My roommate was on the john when they arrived. Needless to say, it didn't get installed. I moved.
- Louis Gray
I bought an Eye-Fi today. Have you ever heard of it? An SD card that turns any camera into a wireless device. You can automatically upload pictures and videos to all the major services, without using a computer. - http://www.eye.fi/
Wifi cameras were the rage a couple years ago, but I couldn't find any in town today. I did find some on Amazon, but then you have to interface with clumsy upload sites by Nikon, etc. This way you can work with services like Picassa, Facebook, Flickr, etc.
- Ben Hanten
Eye-Fi is a cool idea but I don't think it'll be truly useful until there is one that uses HSDPA or CDMA. The coverage for Eye-Fi isn't good enough IMHO.
- Kenton
yes, i have heard of it... sounds like you really like it... i don't have a digital camera, but it sure is a cool bit of tech
- Chris Heath
I haven't had the chance to try it yet, unfortunately.... I ordered from Amazon. If it does half of what it says, it's awesome.
- Ben Hanten
Of course a lot you don't need this because you have iPhone coverage where you are! Grrrrr..... South Dakota is at least a year and a half away
- Ben Hanten
I took the Eye-Fi out on its first trip. It works great; as soon as I hit a wifi Hotspot, I get a text message that uploads have started. If I have to leave, it resumes the upload when I get to the next wifi spot. And don't worry -- you don't have to do automatic uploads.
- Ben Hanten
New blog post: Google Wave: What might email look like if it were invented today http://radar.oreilly.com/2009... Being announced at Google I/O this am
Sounds a LOT like FriendFeed. This appears to be a shot at the real-time social web (in relation to friends). However, I guess it's not as public which is one interesting difference.
- Brandon Titus
friendfeed w/ benefits...*snort* +1!
- Ken Kennedy
The "outlook" model is a concept that we can all dive straight into. It may not look pretty at the moment but leaping too far into the unknown will put off a lot of people.
- Jamie Vidamour
Would an OS look much different if the same "start from scratch" approach was taken?
- Cam
from FriendFeed MT Plugin
Now the question for late 2009-early 2010... does FriendFeed need to integrate (even integrate into) Wave? Immediate reflection is that this will be more for tight-knit correspondence, ala email -- more of a threat to Facebook's model than to Friendfeed's (where broadcasting and discussion among people barely acquainted are the modes). Tho plenty of room for all.
- Christopher Galtenberg
The comparison to Groove, and the parallels to 'Practical Groupware' also occurred to me (BTW, thank you Tim for starting the process of getting a version of it up on Openbooks!). But what struck me most is that this reinvention of email and the erasure of the distinction between collaboration and conversation is essentially private. A large part of Jon's book was concerned with taking...
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- Michael R. Bernstein
from FriendFeed MT Plugin
Gah. 'stuck me most'? 'Thanks you Tim'? I should wait until I've finished my coffee. Incidentally, I've corrected all these mistaks on the FriendFeed instance of the comment. If this was a wave, I suppose those edits would be reflected here.
- Michael R. Bernstein
from FriendFeed MT Plugin
Uh-oh. Looks like edits in FF *are* reflected here, but long comments then become truncated, and they lose the extra line-breaks. Hmm.
- Michael R. Bernstein
from FriendFeed MT Plugin
Reposting the second half of my comment here: Another set of problems occurs to me: We understand more-or-less the implications of having multiple email accounts, and our email clients have features to support this, but what does it mean to have multiple Wave accounts, especially on separate Wave servers? For that matter, when you leave Acme or Initech, can you take your waves with you...
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- Michael R. Bernstein
from FriendFeed MT Plugin
Great article, just to mention that I really liked the text-to-speech feature, I'm a user that does read by text-to-speech, having it streamed, readily available was cool. The title is so what he said in the keynote. That represents Wave in all aspects.
- ElijahBailey-Zu of FF <0,
Oh, oh, Teens in Tech was apparently hacked: http://netnewsdaily.com/2009... is this a way to get back at TechCrunch? (Teens in Tech's founder now works at TechCrunch).
ouch Scoble what you saying :P directly linking a hack to TechCrunch, what next TechCrunch getting hacked now ;)
- Keith Dsouza
Keith: nah, it just sounds like the same kind of thing that the hacker did to Twitter.
- Robert Scoble
This is not Drew, I hacked his FriendFeed. Ok thats not true, it's me.
- drew olanoff
This isn't at all what the hacker did to Twitter. He simply got auth to Wordpress, most likely a brute-force dictionary attack, very easy hack. He didn't get any other info from him - the kid who hacked in (and I say kid because it probably was) is inexperienced, I'm willing to bet.
- Jesse Stay
That page doesn't even render right for me. Maybe it's an IE8 problem. Do you really think it was anti-TechCrunch?
- RobinDotNet
I was just about to blame Drew's Cancer for this.
- Jim Turner
You could change your password to 'password'. Surely they wouldn't try that, because who would be that stupid now? (Only like 25% of system administrators I'd bet! ;-) )
- RobinDotNet
But I use 5's for the ss. Shhh don;t tell.
- Jim Turner
Hey everyone - Daniel here. We just did a security audit, and no information, other then the screen shot posted. There is no way that the data could compromised in the future. We turned all registrations off until further notice as well.
- Daniel Brusilovsky
jesse stay -- I love that. Great idea, but lots of 1's and 0's. Hex would be shorter.
- RobinDotNet
Robin, I'm referring more to Unicode, so I guess not binary. It's all binary in the end. :-)
- Jesse Stay
Jesse Stay -- still love the idea. I feel the urge to write a translation program coming on...
- RobinDotNet
It must be revenge! Nope, sounds like a regular hacker. Nothing REALLY serious.
- Amir
from iPod
This has nothing to do with TC and Twitter. It's a middle-school rivalry and very small scale indeed.
- Louis Gray
Louis, there's nothing more evil than a middle school rivalry. Handling those with aplomb prepares one for all challenges that will come thereafter. (Middle school. Shudder.)
- Kathy Fitch
"accessory to the crime" comes to mind on this one...
- Jesse Stay
isn't this a newsworthy story? **confused**
- Allen Stern
NND are only in the interest of keeping the security of sensitive information up-tight and secure. That is why we published the story.
- Nathan Adam
Allen, newsworthy stories are typically worthy of being properly researched and documented, and are not littered with "our anonymous source." If a source must be protected, at the very least there would be some discussion of why, and an attempt to explain the source's credibility. This was pretty mudslinging stuff, the tone of which was not at all dominated by concern for end-user...
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- Kathy Fitch
Kathy, we have spoken to Daniel Bru, and he has also written a blog post revealing the truth of this article. The Blog Herald and the Inquistr both picked up the story and sourced our article, we also have credible screenshots of the admin panel, how could we possibly have these screenshots, without the source. Please read some of the tweets made on the @danielbru and the @teensintech for more information on the security concern that we uncovered.
- Nathan Adam
I watched the whole thing unfold last night, Nathan. I'm curious--when did being able to produce stolen goods ever count as making a source credible? I'll stand by my take on it: a fact isn't the same thing as a truth, and posting a fact gained by nefarious means isn't inherently ethical.
- Kathy Fitch
Nefarious means? This was not gained by criminal means, we were sent this by a source. Stolen goods? This is exposing a very big security leak of Teens in Tech, Net News Daily is trying to uphold the security of Teens in Tech members, we have spoken with Daniel and he agrees with our stance that we are trying to uphold the security of his members.
- Nathan Adam
Someone hacked into it, Nathan. Who? That isn't newsworthy?
- Kathy Fitch
Yes, but your comment makes it out that we criminally obtained this information. Net News Daily did not obtain the information criminally, the way the hacker obtained the information was unethical, but highlighted how easy it was to access a site that is used by many people of the younger generation. That is what I am stuck at.
- Nathan Adam
I read the initial NND post, Nathan. A big part of the story was that the site apparently claims more visitors than the theft indicates is warranted. What's with that? How you came into possession of the stolen evidence of a hole in the security interests me. Is that story in the offing?
- Kathy Fitch
Sorry, Paul, I don't agree. Of course, the theft is newsworthy, but the path the evidence took to the outlet is, as well. That matters.
- Kathy Fitch
Yes, we got information that he had said in an interview on YouTube that he was number juggling, this was something that we were asked to highlight in our article, and was exposed in screenshots that we were given showed this. We just added this to our article after watching the video and seeing the lying. We do not know if the person who got into the site has something against Daniel because we really don't know. We have just been given this information.
- Nathan Adam
Guess we'll have to call this one a permanent disagreement. Whatever the motivations of the hacker/thief, those screenshots were obtained unlawfully. To me, that's not, "oh, well, that's life, and we got a helluva story out it" type deal. That Daniel has responded with such aplomb, under the circumstances, does not alter my gut take on it.
- Kathy Fitch
Ok, Kathy you are entitled to your own opinion and we have to accept everyone's take on the situation. I hope this one story doesn't give you a casting decision over our careers, as we are are still very young and learn a lot every day. We only know that we published the details of someone getting into an admin panel. The source was adamant that he wanted the post published on our site. We unfortunately cannot do anything about the access by the hacker, as we cannot go back in time..
- Nathan Adam
At least I can say that the good thing that comes from this is that the security leak has been patched, and we can move on from this and make sure that the internet environment is safer in the future.
- Nathan Adam
If a bank robber circulates evidence of his crime, and I come into possession of that evidence, I'm interested in tracking down the robber, and getting him caught. Part of the story will surely be that clients of the bank should exercise due caution, and that the bank will need to tighten security, but a huge part of the story is that there's a robber on the loose, who endangers us all. I'd do whatever I could to get him caught. Do you plan to turn your focus to identifying the hacker, now? I'd admire that.
- Kathy Fitch
This has happened before and as you have seen by Paul's input, TechCrunch recently released the Twitter documents, by an anonymous source, and I don't see your opinion stretching to this topic. Just because we are younger doesn't mean that you need to target us rather than the big fishes. Sources have a legal right to be kept anonymous.
- Nathan Adam
Why invoke age? In life so far, I've noticed no correlation at all between age and ethical development. But I take it that's a "no" on nailing the hacker.
- Kathy Fitch
We published the Teens in Tech article in the interest of making sure that the Teens in Tech is as secure as possible. If it wasn't primarily about that we would have thought twice about publishing it. However, we did believe that this in the long run would help, even if you do not agree with the ethics behind our way of making the internet more secure.
- Nathan Adam
Guys, I do hear you--I simply have a different take on it. "Who would do that, and will he/she be nabbed?" interests me as a consumer of your story. Paul, I can see you're ticked (I think it's quite impossible simultaneously to welcome feedback and to designate it as bitching), so I'll leave it at that for now. I'm not a devotee of TechCrunch, so "hey, *they* do this too" is immaterial...
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- Kathy Fitch
As I said before Kathy you are entitled to your take on the story, and I do respect that. Paul has reflected his take too! Haha. Hope this doesn't create an overcasting impression on Net News Daily, for the future. Bye.
- Nathan Adam
No worries there, Nathan. The story did the job of getting you on lots of radar screens, I think, so there's that.
- Kathy Fitch
Haha, thank you again for your take, it has certainly been interesting! In some ways, on the negative radar screens, unfortunately. However, hopefully the reason for publishing has been and will be implemented.
- Nathan Adam
Apparently the Patriot Act has been extended to cover corporate ethics...? And can be executed by anyone with a news blog? Give me a break.
- Jason Hargrove
NewsNetDaily have since removed the post....there's no point after everyone's read it ;)
- Nicholas James
Incredible. I left a commentary on the original post a bit earlier. (I'll post it here for the record). In response, the original post was edited, with various information removed. A note was left stating that this action was in response to posted comments. I then left a third comment about how the original post should not have been edited, but perhaps updated. Minutes later, the entire post was removed.
- Jason Hargrove
/////// For The Record /////// The following comments were addressed to Nathan Adam, Scott Campbell and Paul McEnhill at netnewsdaily.com. After comments 1 and 2 were posted, the information mentioned in my comments was removed and the original post edited. After comment 3 was posted, the entire post was removed. So much for transparency and accountability in "journalist" blogging....
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- Jason Hargrove
Hi Jason, I have spoken with Daniel and I have taken the article down for re-creation. I am happy to speak with you on the matter over e-mail.
- Nathan Adam
Hi Nathan, I'm glad that you are working to resolve it. As you see from the many comments above (and via Twitter Search), you've left a trail of damage across the internet. It's only fair that the entire trail be recorded. I have nothing left to say. It's not my beef. I hope you and Daniel are able to resolve your issue, and wish you luck. More than anything, I hope that this event results in a higher standard of integrity from tech bloggers. I don't like the precedent that has been set this week. Peace.
- Jason Hargrove
Thak you Jason, there is a story behind the story, which is quite depressing upon me. However, I am glad that I have been able to resolve things with Daniel on behalf of Net News Daily and myself. Thanks again, bye.
- Nathan Adam
Nathan--that is one smart rewrite. I'm impressed.
- Kathy Fitch
"Developers are finally getting their hands on the developer preview of Google’s Wave, which means we can finally get some first-hand accounts of what it’s really like to use, unfiltered by Google’s own programmers. Wave, demonstrated by Google at its I/O developer conference in May of this year, allows customers to create a customizable communications and collaboration tool without any software other than an Internet browser. As such, Wave poses a significant threat to the business models of Microsoft and other applications vendors. Ben Rometsch, a developer with U.K. Web development firm Solid State, blogged that, it’s “probably the most advanced ‘application in a browser’ that I’ve seen.”"
- Arnaldo M Pereira
from Bookmarklet
Great article. I was on the fence with Google Wave, but after reading this, it's starting to look more interesting. I originally thought of it was a 21st century AOL client (being so boxed in), but it's clearly more than that. I'm eagerly awaiting my beta copy.
- Marc Ferguson
Arnaldo you are right. It's be something new and fresh. At least for me. :) I can't wait to see how it's work.
- Damir Zubović
I guess I'm anxious because I want to check how far they've went with GWT. Besides all the supposedly cool stuff.
- Arnaldo M Pereira
Twitter has already forced many of us to reallocate our time, I'm sure Wave will do the same as well. But there are only 24 hours in a day, so something has to give!
- Jeremy Campbell
from twhirl
Google Wave, in the article, sounds as if it's a long way off and could be a few years before any of the public get their hands on it - I hope, for Google's sake, that they get it right first time because at the moment, it sounds awesome
- outofmyarse