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John Lilly
Wow, Bret promoted to CTO at Facebook - smart, great guy. Congrats! http://techcrunch.com/2010...
Thanks, John :) - Bret Taylor
@Bret. Congratz Bret.. - Ozgur Demir
Bret, well deserved! You're perfect for the position. - Jesse Stay
Super happy for you - incredibly well deserved. But I still want to get you working on another startup! Want to find something to do together. Looking for board stuff for you, too. - John Lilly from email
Congrats, Bret! - Mark Trapp
Now to see if Bret can take that confusing Facebook interface and make it into something nice like, for example, friendfeed. - Sue - Friendfeed is best
The Facebook "Lite" version helped simplify the interface, hopefully some of those concepts will make it into the standard design. - Mike Chelen
TechCrunch called it the Friendfeedification of Facebook. That can only be a good thing. Congrats! - Eric
Congratulations Bret! - Atul Arora
BT and FF did 'open' in the healthy, right, & honest way. Here's to bringing that positive force to a pretty unhealthy & confused company. Serious congratulations! Now... what would you do if you were CEO, Bret? That's what you need to do, starting today. - Christopher Galtenberg
Congrats, Bret! - Kol Tregaskes
Good on ya, Bret!! :) - Skye Miller
Congrats Bret! - Bojan Babic
Guy Kawasaki
Hanging out over at http://friendfeed.com/
Hey, Guy! - Jesse Stay
How's it going Jesse? - Guy Kawasaki
Yay! - Susan Beebe from iPhone
Trying to keep my sanity during the Twitter DDoS :-) - Jesse Stay
Guy, glad to see you on FriendFeed! :) - Susan Beebe from iPhone
About time man - James Hunter
Hi, Guy! Not another darn subscription you have talked me into :) - Eric
Oh, oh. :-) - Robert Scoble
/me hands a bottle of rum to Guy. - imabonehead
come baaa ...aaaaa ...aaaack! - Mike Chelen
Hi Guy! When we going back to prison? That was definitely one of the most memorable experiences I had in 2009. Thanks! - Robert Scoble
Bump! - Jesse Stay
Great social bookmark bro - desiratna789
Oh no! He's back. Wait, maybe not. Nevermind. - Joe
Micah
What is your FF Comments/Likes Ratio? (Comments divided by Likes to 2nd decimal place - as of now) - http://flickr.com/photos...
What is your FF Comments/Likes Ratio? (Comments divided by Likes to 2nd decimal place - as of now)
1.05 (670/633) - Micah from Bookmarklet
Can you remind me again where to find those stats? - Brian Johns
Brian, go to "Me" link (http://friendfeed.com/brianjo...) which defaults to the Feed tab. Look at the sidebar on the right, below Discussion. - Micah
0.75 (926/1226) - still relatively new here - mikepk
I only see my stats for the last week (17/14 = 1.21) Please tell me your 670 number is for more than just a week! - Brian Johns
1.44 (566/391) for brianjohns (after week tally you should see a comma then 'all time' count - I can see it on your page) - Micah
OK, sorry. I'm a total dumbass. I stopped reading after the weekly totals... - Brian Johns
3.74, which seems way off of everybody else's. I wonder what that says. I comment a lot more than I like. - Cyrus Lendvay
FFers use FF with their own strategy or simply default tendencies. The ratio is an interesting snapshot of behaviour. Thanks for joining in everyone, hope more keep flowing in. - Micah from twhirl
0.79 - Brian Roy
0.77 - Eric
0.77 - Shey
0.76 - FFing Enigma
1.39. - Rochelle
1.61 - I only 'like' when I want to throw my support behind a topic but don't have anything constructive to add. - Bjorn Stromberg
1.12 - Tinfoil 2.0
5.08 (3181/626) ! - ◄ani625Ξ ಠ_ಠ
0.66 - I tend to 'like' things without needing to comment further, I guess, and I notice I usually like the things upon which I comment. Well, frequently. - ɐ ɯıʞ sıɹɥɔ
.39 (2457/6242) I guess I don't comment much. I do 'like' a lot of things, it would seem. - Bren
0.62 then again i have over 11,000 comments - Cee Bee
1.23 (5287/4229) - I am put to shame by Cee Bee's participation, good grief! - Lindsay
@Cee Bee I think you meant 0.62 - ◄ani625Ξ ಠ_ಠ
1.27 (902/705) - Leandro Ardissone ⍨
yes, thanks for the correction. lindsay, you're making me feel bad. lol - Cee Bee
0.8576, I only like mostly when I'm going to comment - Molly Song ;)
1.55 endlessly repeating. This Like/Comment included. - Dana D
before this comment: .69 I kid you not. - InPerpetualMotion(Gina k)
So far: Average: 1.27 | Median: 0.81 ... (if you average 1 comment per like, you'd be 1.0 ... if you're 0.xx you might herd content more than discuss ... if you're whole numbers above 1 you may not 'like' much or discuss plenty or both) - Micah
CSV_A: 1.05,0.75,1.44,0.81,3.74,0.79,0.77,0.67,0.77,0.76,1.39,1.8,1.61,1.12,0.141,5.08,2.41,0.66,.39,0.62,.62,1.27,0.8576,1.551,0.69 - Micah
1.83 - Grant Bierman
I tend to like allot of photos which really don't need comments. - InPerpetualMotion(Gina k)
InPerpetualMotion(Gina k), I really liked this 'Like' of yours (in a series of pics, so I flickr fav'd it): http://friendfeed.com/e... and commented. Thanks! - Micah
.37 1002/2708 - Michael Fidler
this is what scobes walls would like if he didnt have FF - sean percival
I haven't seen Marc Canter's fabled fence (just heard about it), but I imagine this but on wood pickets :) - Micah
This week: 2.48 (1162:467) but this is not the norm, my likes usually match or are higher than comments, overall: 0.95 (14228:14846). - Kol Tregaskes
Thanks Michael, Kol! I'll recalculate average/median when we build up some more data points here. - Micah
1.03 748/723 - Keith - @tsudo
.68 6986/10194 Someone wrote a great article on the comment-like ratio a few months ago. Search on FriendFeed is crashing on me... I'll try to get the link. - Mitchell Tsai
Thanks Mitchell (btw, search crashing on me too - lots) - Micah
1316 comments/20221 likes (0.06), according to Windows Calculator, although I probably screwed up. - Tyson Key
*bump* - Micah
Thanks, Mark! - Micah
Thanks Spidra! - Micah
0.95 (1520/1604) - it's 2+ months later, and my ratio flipped (more Likes by .05) - Micah
.7 (1204/1724) - before this comment at least. - Rachel Lea Fox
Thanks, Rachel! - Micah
3.46 (3665/1057) before this comment and like. - Kevin Fox
Thanks, Kevin. 3+ is quite the comment on your commenting activities :) - Micah
I've got stuff to say. - Kevin Fox
3.98 (900/226) - Richard Lawler
1.02 (3538/3484) for sofarsofarshaun - Micah
.34 (600/1747, not counting this comment) - Michael Hocter
Thank you, Siavash and Michael - Micah
.52 overall, but .68 this week. - Rebecca Lasley
Nice, thanks Rebecca. - Micah
1.31 - Rahsheen
0.56 - imabonehead
Rah and imabonehead - rock on! (Richard too!) - Micah
0.16 - Anne Bouey
4.62 (287/62) -- Yikes! I'm chatty. - Ted Roden
Thank you kindly, Anne, jcunwired and Ted. - Micah
2.63 - Bryce Roney
Thanks for joining in, Bryce. - Micah
.15 all time, .13 this week. - Alix May
Thank you, Alix and David! (and Alix, you're tied with Siavash for the Highest Like ratio. Wow). - Micah
2.94 - j1m
Thank you, j1m. Ok, I'm gonna roll this up into a csv and call it a night. - Micah
CSV_B: 0.95,0.7,3.46,3.98,1.02,0.15,0.34,0.52,1.31,0.56,0.16,1.39,4.62,2.63,0.15,0.52,2.94 - Micah
this week = 0.45%, alltime = 6.43% - chaz2b
CSV_B Mean: 1.49 (previous mean for CVS_A: 1.27) - Micah
Of course the numbers can easily lie, but I'm gonna say it anyway: "We're getting more conversational, people!" - Micah
0.49 (493/988) - Bluesun 2600
816 / 2502 = 0.326139089 overall | 50 / 233 = 0.214592275 this week I like much more than I comment. (maths via google) - Chris Loft
3026/5013 = 0.6036 - Roger Chen
chaz2b, Bluesun 2600, Roger, Nicholas — thank you! - Micah
5.25 but I don't know what this *means, yet. maybe I'm just stingy with my "likes" compared to others? - Marg Uerite
Thanks jamar78 and Marg! - Micah
A recent change in FF: now the comment count shows total number of comments (previously multiple comments in one thread only counted as one) http://friendfeed.com/e... so all the numbers above are from the old methodology.... - David HC Soul
My new ratio: 0.76 all time (old methodology .52).... this week 1.39 - David HC Soul
*bump* - Micah
1.26 (2965/2346) - Micah
Thanks, Glen and pea! - Micah
Looks like my ratio as flipped again (comments back to dominating again). Seems to match my own awareness I've lately been commenting without Liking (commenting is my inherent recognition of value to me and the additional Like is when it merits an extra bump to help discovery by others). - Micah
.38 - Ryan Dadey
Ryan, I have to say, that's one high caliber ratio ;) - Micah
An update it's .44 which is an improvement from .36 - Michael Fidler
2.94 1040/354 I have likes set to post to twitter automatically, so I'm careful with them. :) - guruvan (Rob Nelson)
0.85 - Steven Perez
0.73 up from 0.66 on Jan 08 - ɐ ɯıʞ sıɹɥɔ
0.37 for the week past, 0.45 on the whole. - Parth Awasthi
Michael, Anthony, Ahsan, guruvan Steven, sıɹɥɔ and Parth - thanks for dropping in your stats! - Micah
5.81 i'm not using it as does everyone else here. that is fer sure. - Marg Uerite
Ahsan, huh, I'd never considered that. - Micah
17942/30571=.59 - Scoble, Alex Scoble
Alex, thank you, sir. - Micah
ALmost 2:1 exactly. - Amani
Much obliged, Amani. - Micah
3062/5777 you do the maths. - Will Higgins™
.53 (3062/5777) for Will Higgins #math-on-demand-services - Micah
Thank you, amin/gnu - Micah
1.45 (4374/3026) - Micah
0.92 now. I think the movie reviews have been getting me closer to a 1 to 1 ratio. - Steven Perez
Steven, yep, you were a 0.85 in April. - Micah
2.10 now ... - Amani
0.97 now. - Eric Johnson
Amani, so your comments have climbed a bit. - Micah
Thanks, Eric. - Micah
yes, but i am not consciously "not liking" things - Amani from IM
Probably, just chattier then :) - Micah
I'm down from 7.16 to 6.94 :-) - Ken Sheppardson
the live NBA playoff threads have ALOT to do with it. - Amani from IM
Ken, the FCC may be interested to explore how your "I'm down" may be offensively self-deprecating ;) - Micah
.56 eeep, must try harder - Threepwood
4.52. I don't bother to like things I've commented on, since commenting already flags it as interesting. - Andy Bakun
0.46 (1698/3638) - Glenn Slaven
Threepwood, Andy, Glenn - thanks (Andy, that's my mo too; then I'll Like if it warrants a "double vote"). - Micah
1.31 (4,471/3,401) - Karoli
Thanks, Karoli. And the both of us have a _very_ similar ratio and absolute numbers. wow. - Micah
Thanks, Ryo! - Micah
Andy, scroll upward and you'll see a couple calculations from before (January: Average: 1.27 | Median: 0.81) - Micah
In March the Mean was: 1.49 - Micah
1.021276595744680851063829787234042553191489361702127659... via Wolfram Alpha - tom murphy
Thanks, tom. And though a bit verbose, your friend Wolfram is resourceful :D - Micah
0.55 (254/444) - Willem (@wim66) ☠
Thank you, Willem. - Micah
In April you were 0.97, so you're liking more / commenting less. - Micah
1.88 (779/414) - Ton Zijp
Thanks, Ton. - Micah
0.43 (3597/8305). - Parth Awasthi
0.74 (1970/2667) - Blank of Two Blanks
And thank you Parth, Scott. - Micah
Parth, compared to your April numbers, you've been consistent. - Micah
Thanks, Rick! - Micah
.54 (4148/7674) Updated! - Michael Fidler
Rick, you mean that face with glasses I photoshopped tint into with an apparently disembodied arm which is actually very much attached to my eldest son? It's mostly just me :) - Micah
Thanks, Michael. Yes, you have a rising tide of comment percentage (oh, wow, you were one of the originals from January - cool!) - Micah
1.82 from 798 comments / 438 likes - David Damore
Thanks, nivé and David! - Micah
2027/1594 = 1.27 - Brome
0.58 - Marc Dong
2.9 (3,242/1,116) mhhh.. time to straighten my use of FF a bit.. thanks for this entry - Thierry R. Andriamirado
Brome, Marc and Thierry - thank you! - Micah
Thierry - yeah, 2.9 is fairly high - got to pick the pace on like side :) [but hey, whatever works for you is fine] - Micah
1.91 - MiniMage
Thank you Nicholas and MiniMage! - Micah
Yeah, that's a decent upward rise in comments, Nicholas. - Micah
.6 (6,000/10,000) 3rd update - Now it's time to flip this on its head. My goal is to have (16,000/16,000) next time I post here. Regardless of what happens, I'm just looking forward to the next 10,000 comments, likes, posts, and new relationships I make here. It's all good! - Michael Fidler
1.76 (7539/4290) My commenting habits haven't chanced much, but it felt like I clicked Like a lot less, and this ratio confirms that for me. - Micah
It's that time again. - Micah
.50 - LB: #TeamYou
Thanks, Laura! (you're a 50-caliber gal!) - Micah
0.64 - Imabug
Thank you, Imabug. - Micah
4.67 (I'm greedy :p) - directeur
0.99 - Steven Perez
About 1:2 comment to likes at this time - RAPatton from iPod
.63 - metalerik
Thanks Imabug, directeur, Steven, RAPatton, Jim, Brent and metalerik! - Micah
0.78 - Pete D
.82 as of right now. edit: on January 8th it was 0.39 -- when I saw that, I decided to make more of an effort to comment. When I hit 10k "likes" I decided I wouldn't "like" anything else until I also had 10k comments. - Bren
And thank you Jimminy, Pete, Bren and Penguin! - Micah
2.47 as of right now. - Jonas, Leper of FF
Micah, are you doing something with these numbers? If so sounds interesting. - NOT THE CRICKET
0.58 - Absentee
Jimminy, I'm copyrighting every single number. It's kind of a honeypot ;) Actually, it was curiosity mostly, but I also hope to build a sampling (small and self-selecting as it may be) for anyone who might want to analyze it. - Micah
Jonas, James and Kurt - thanks you! - Micah
You're welcome. I hope the results do some good. :-) - Absentee
.31. I have almost 4 times as many likes as comments. - edythe
Thank you edythe and Eric! - Micah
195/245 makes 0.8 rounded not including this one which would be 196/245 making 0.8 unrounded, - tom murphy
Thanks, Tom. - Micah
1.98 (588/297) - Bryan Zirkel
1.67 (19,550/11,684) - Mitchell Tsai
Bryan, Mitchell and Jeff P. - thanks, guys! - Micah
1.18 - it's always been close to 1, since day one, for some reason. - Laura Norvig
Wow, Penguin is a prolific liker! - Laura Norvig
2.67 (875/328) - Nathalie
Thank you, Nathalie! - Micah
Thanks, Spidra and Mark! - Micah
0.49 - Jammy Lee
Jammy and Mathew, thank you very much. - Micah
I don't know I just like that picture - Brian Hendrickson
.40 - Ben Hanten
Mine was exactly 2:1 about a week ago. Did a screenshot when I had 2,000 comments and 1,000 likes. - Joe from iPod
SuezanneC, Brian, B E N and Joe - thank you all very much! - Micah
Joe, it's like see the odometer click through a nice round number - it's just inexplicably engaging. :) - Micah
1.40, nearly the square root of two. - Vezquex
Thanks, Raphael and Andy! - Micah
12.23 (844 / 69 ) I guess I take my likes seriously ;) - Chris Myles
Wow I didn't realize I was so out of whack!! 12.23 that's got to be a record (and I don't even import my feeds with the summary as a comment)!! - Chris Myles
Thanks JA, Chris (wow, 12+ is unusual :), Serkan and Nine! - Micah
Micah.. I told you I take my likes seriously; ). You *might* want to ask (in a separate post) what percentage of likes were used to "bookmark" a post or save it for later VS actually "liking it". I NEVER used like for that.. but I did use a private group that if filled with my own topics (and comments).. - Chris Myles
1.78 (8529/4782) - Micah
Likes are down relative to comments, which matches my much lower frequency of liking. I'm a more selective liker than ever. - Micah
I don't think I could argue that any particular kind of ratio is "best", because if Lurkers like to Lurk and cultivate (via Likes) and the Chatty-ites love to chat, to pump out much many more comments than Likes, each can be happy and make for a great social experience. - Micah
383/372 - Ashish
'Just clicking "Like" seems too easy' — Jason, that's because you're from the Chatty-ite tribe :) - Micah
Thanks, ashish. - Micah
wow, what a difference time makes, when i 1st posted on this thread, 6.43%, now = 1.25%, for a 5.18% difference, :o (and this is the earliest post to date i've recovered of my activity on ff) - chaz2b
chaz, I think there's been a big fluctuation for most people (maybe not that much). This is the oldest post on which you commented that you've recovered? - Micah
When I first saw this: 1.91 Sept 28: 1.94 - MiniMage
536 comments in the last month has me at .8736...still creeping toward 1.00 - Bren
Thanks, MiniMage (2x participant!), Bren (3x!) and Shannon (your inaugural visit!) - Micah
Thank you, SustainedEuphoria. - Micah
Thanks, Mark. - Micah
1.45 - Brett Kelly
Thanks, Brett :) - Micah
5.67 all time. Second highest ratio on here. Woot! I love to talk. - Kevin L
Thank you both, Kevin and mridul (the two of you balance it each well :) - Micah
1.80 (10,189 / 5,666) [compared to Likes, my Comments still continue to rise] - Micah
1.02 (10323/10161) - Bren
.5666 currently (30,084/53,093) - Scoble, Alex Scoble
Thanks, Bren. - Micah
Thank you, Alex :) - Micah
that was my third post... It's interesting to see how the number has changed. of course, I manipulated the number to a degree, because I stopped "liking" things for a while... - Bren
Bren, the other thing that can seriously throw off someone's stats is a feed that upon each item it imports adds a comment automatically. - Micah
true. that can seriously inflate comment stats, of course. Then you have someone like RAPatton, who posts a gazillion comments, in part because of his playlist posts where he will list each song in a separate comment. I found, after this post in fact, that I tended to "like" things much more frequently than comment on them, that I was lurking instead of participating. I have changed the way I use ff rather considerably, and I think for the better. - Bren
Thanks, Sarah, Tutivillus. - Micah
1.19 - Joe Bonner
Micah this is like 11 months ago, I see you have almost doubled your rate. lets make a graph for everybody now, :) - ۳۰ مرغ Loves Y'ALLLLL
Quick, someone write a greasemonkey script to inline some google charts! (tap-tap-tap...wut? don't look at me ;) - Micah
Thanks, Joe. And you thank you, Mahmood :) - Micah
Thanks, Glen! Your comments in the ratio have gone up too. - Micah
1.70 (it was 1.41 on Jan 8) - WoH: Professor MOTHRA
WorldofHiglet, thank you :) The comments are strong in this one. - Micah
0.64 (2,589/4,051) - Chieze Okoye
0.58 - Thomas Page
Chieze and Thomas - thank you! - Micah
*bumpage* - Micah
So, Micah, we never did find out what you were doing with this info.... - WoH: Professor MOTHRA
0.27 (5637/20234) - I only see a couple people lower than me. - John (bird whisperer)
4.06 (747/184) - Jan Ole Peek
WoH, World Domination. - Micah
Rene, John and Jan - thank you, all three! :) - Micah
0.97 (6,694/6,929) - NOT THE CRICKET
Thank you J., Jimminy and آقای تلخک :) - Micah
2.23 - Paola Bonomo
0.71 (8,200/11,551) updated - Michael Fidler
0.03 (284 / 10378)! - Daniel Rowley
Thanks Paola, Michael, Artemko, J. and Daniel! - Micah
*thanks Christopher thoroughly* - Micah
14.86 (1442/97) I'm going the wrong way!! - Chris Myles
1.77 (11831/6622) - Micah
0.56 (2059/3703) - Joel Webber
0.89 (1,766/1,986) - chrisofspades
Thanks, Joel and Chris! - Micah
In 4 days it will be 1 year since my first recorded stat here. My comments/like were almost a 1:1 ratio then. Now comments are almost double likes for me. - Micah
jamar78, same trend for you, it looks. :) - Micah
1.00 a year later. {edit -- screwed it up the first time. not telling what I did.} - Jim: with more caffeine!
Thanks, Jim! - Micah
.52 this year. - LB: #TeamYou
Thank you, Laura =) - Micah
75,415 comments/1,286 likes = 58.64 - i wish the auto inserted comments didn't get counted... the true number is probably much much close ot my number of likes - Chris Heath
1.09 (11910/10953) - Bren
1.97%. thanks again micah, this has been a great metric to measure my first year here on ff. As the year went (this being the first record of me being here that i've found): , 6.43%:1.25%:1.97% - chaz2b
Chris, Bren, thank you. And chaz2b, thank you too - glad it's a special marker for you. :) - Micah
1.79 (13620/7618) - Micah from iPhone
0.91 - Bruce Lewis
0.13 - Morton Fox
1.69 now (1.70 on Nov 10th and 1.41 on Jan 8, 2009) - - WoH: Professor MOTHRA
0.23 - Mark H
Thanks Bruce, Morton, Higlet, Brent and Mark! - Micah from iPhone
How is this thread doing in the longest-lived-ff-comment-thresds-ever contest? - j1m
5.76 right now - Kevin L
0.53 - Rodfather
j1m, I wonder how many threads over a year old are regularly updated by an asoetment of users. - Micah from iPhone
Kevin, Cecily and Rodfather - thanks! - Micah from iPhone
1.49 (2,222/1488) - DB, Lil LB's Dad
"I must not ask Micah questions" written out a bajillion times.... :) - WoH: Professor MOTHRA
LOL @Higlet - Correct. (but Brent, you can also ask the Mathematics Dept of West Bohemian University in Pilsen, Czech http://www.fav.zcu.cz/en... [via http://maisonbisson.com/blog... ]) - Micah
0.32 (2011/6291) Looks like I need to comment more. =) - Beau Liening
Thank you, Beau. And, by stating you want to comment more you're already helping the cause :) - Micah
2.09329564 (10366:4952) I don't think that I'm the norm here - See-ming Lee 李思明 SML
*bump* - It's that time again, folks. - Micah
1.71 (16,017/9,357) - Micah
0.91 (13,933/15,222) - NOT THE CRICKET
2.66 - Marissa
1.48 (2,469/1,669) - DB, Lil LB's Dad
Thanks, Jimminy, Marissa and Daryl. :) - Micah
1.21 - Jenny
Thanks, Jenny! - Micah
1.10 (4874/4448) - DGentry
2.13(7957/3734) - Melanie Reed
Thank you, Denton, Glen and Melanie! - Micah
63.58 (97,534/1,534) -- interesting that my last three digits are the same there, eh? (note, i already posted a month or two ago when i first saw this thread) - Chris Heath
Thanks, Chris! - Micah
0.87 (3770/4312), so I'm either getting more commenty or less likey. [0.74 (1970/2667) was what I previously reported back in June] - Blank of Two Blanks
Thanks Scott, pea and T. Brent. - Micah
Brent, interesting. Look forward to more commentary. :) - Micah
1433/1161 = 1.23 - cdogzilla | downgraded
1.19 (5132/4316) - Ruchira S. Datta
Thank you, cdogzilla and Ruchira! - Micah
0.94(15045/15978) 0.83, (28.August.2009); 0.97, (11.Nov.2009); 0.91, (17.April.2010); 0.94, (11.May.2010). - NOT THE CRICKET
1.65 (18,070 / 10,970) - Micah
*bump* It's that time again, folks. - Micah
1.05 (1710/1625) - cdogzilla | downgraded
1.66 here. Chattyites 4ever! - Lo
Thanks cdogzilla and Lo! - Micah
Last year my comments were around 7000 and likes around 2500, for a ratio of 2.80. I consciously chose to do more liking over the last year. As of today my comments number 10,782 and likes number 7,666, for a ratio of 1.41. - Stephen Mack
Jason, Stephen - cool. Thanks for keeping updated here. :) - Micah
Thanks, RG - Micah
1.03. Micah you've made over 18000 comments since you first posted this. - chrisofspades
0.76 (3,624/4,766) Egad that's only .1 improvement since 2009-01-08 :-P but at least it's moving in the right direction. - ɐ ɯıʞ sıɹɥɔ
3.25 No wonder I always had to stand in the hall in school for talking ;-) - Shannon - GlassMistress
Still right at 1:1. W00t. - Jim: with more caffeine!
1.15 (14662/12739) - Bren
chrisofspades, crazy isn't it. :) - Micah
kima, tortoise wins and all that ;) Thanks, Shannon. Jim, you have maintained balanced in the force you have. Thanks, Bren. - Micah
2.33 :( my new yr's resolution was to "like" more, imma not doing sucha good job, :( - chaz2b
Thanks, Mark, and chaz, you'll get there. :) - Micah
1.61 (20,661 / 12,818) - Micah
*BUMP* - It's that time again. THANKS! - Micah
1.76 (15,652/8,886) - Jenny
Thanks, Jenny and hollyrai! - Micah
Thank you, Glen. - Micah
0.77 - Steven Perez
0.31 (14566/47299) - John (bird whisperer)
John, you're a 'liking' fool! :D - Jenny
Apparently I'm the human version of FALOB - John (bird whisperer)
Ha! (and thanks, John) - Micah
Double ha! - Jenny
Thank you Steven. - Micah
2.28 - Jesse Stay
1.66 (updated) - Eric
Thanks Scott, Jesse, Eric and holly! - Micah
58,144/3,749=15.509, basically due to multiple feed imports. - Daniel Mietchen
*BUMP* - Micah
1.60 (22,066/13,819) - Micah
:) @Jason. - Micah
0.69 - Absentee
0.76 - Steven Perez
slightly off of my usual this time: 1.01 - Jim: with more caffeine!
Thanks James, Steven and Jim "STAY-ON-TAR-GET" Jannotti. :) - Micah
.98(20,405/20,834) - NOT THE CRICKET
1.36 (20684/15224) - Bren from iPhone
Thank you, Jimminy, Greg and Bren! - Micah
1.88 (21954/11691) Chatty Cathy, apparently. - Jenny
11289/9010 = 1.25 (wonder if some comments are from imported feeds) - Mike Chelen
Thanks Jenny and Mike. :) - Micah
Sorry - Micah .... but the math is just too complicated :) - Charlie Anzman
Charlie, I'm make it simple. I'll do the talking, you drive the get-away car—we'll split it even: 80/20. - Micah
Damn, More Homework. - Brent - Yes I am
including this comment (119,119C/1677L) ... 71.03 - Chris Heath
1.21 - Joe Bonner
1.56 (24,076/15,472) - Micah
*BUMP* - it's that time again. Also, I passed 24K comments recently. - Micah
Thanks, Micahel. - Micah
113,457 comments / 166,887 likes = .68 - RAPatton
2.02 (31627/15675) I need to start liking more and shut the hell up. - Jenny
1:1.618, of course. - Josh Haley from iPhone
2.60 - Jack&Cleo
I was waiting for that from you, Mr. Haley. - Lisa L. Seifert from Android
Those are some heavy hitter numbers there, RAPatton. Thanks. :) - Micah
I've been on FF for a long time, Michah, because I am really, really old. - RAPatton
LOL Josh. These aren't the maths you looking for. [lateral hand wave] - Micah
Jenny, do not take your own advice; not advisable. - Micah
Thanks, Jack & Cleo. - Micah
RAPatton, you're not old—you triple-comment-excerpt every bookmarklet post :)) - Micah
Cristo, this post is an ancient relic. Handle with care. - Micah
0.13 - Morton Fox
Okay, Micah. <----I had to resist the urge not to post that because I know it's going to up my comment count. ;) - Jenny
But how many of those primordial, high interest posts are still active. Uh huh. :) - Micah
Thanks, Morton. BTW, when you posted in February, it was exactly 0.13 also. - Micah
Jenny, resistance is futile; embrace the rising tide of comments. - Micah
Comments are more difficult and time consuming than Likes. I'd be happy about a high comment:likes ratio except that many are surely imported from feeds, while every Like is manual. - Mike Chelen
it has changed to 2.2256 now as Sep, 6 2010.Labor Day. :) I added the date for future references. - ۳۰ مرغ Loves Y'ALLLLL
IN HONOUR OF DERRICK'S 100,000th LIKE: http://friendfeed.com/micahwi... - Micah
1.54 (25,102/16,257) - Micah
Thanks, Alex. - Micah
2.29.... 26 HR, 89 RBI - .LAG liked that
.15 on March 21, 2009. Now .19. - Alix May
Thanks, MarkJ, .LAG and Alix! :) - Micah
Thank you, Deepak! - Micah
1.47 (24757/16749) - Bren
I make a lot of comments but no one like me, so I guess the ratio is infinite or undefined. - Sue - Friendfeed is best
1.45 (29653/20444) *BUMP* - Micah
1.22 (31900/26233) - holly #ravingfangirl
.59 (58,923/99,251) - Scoble, Alex Scoble
6.61 (2825/427 )... I'm a wee bit chatty - Shannon - GlassMistress
I had exactly a 2:1 ratio as previously reported [Aug 30, '09], now I am at: 1.7241:1 ratio. 6,067 comments to 3,519 likes. - Joe
0.79 as of 6 Jan 2011. - John E. Bredehoft
my brain hurts - Morgan
Two years later and my ratio has climbed from 3.4 to 4.675. I've got a lot to say, apparently. - Kevin Fox
Funnily, I didn't notice until after leaving that comment that when I reported my stat in 2009 I also followed it up with "I've got stuff to say." I didn't say it was *new* stuff... - Kevin Fox
1.000 (27093/27080) - NOT THE CRICKET
I've had an improvement since the last few times this has come up. I was .49 or close to it, now I'm running a .57 ratio - Bluesun 2600
1.68 (55826/33281) - Jenny
81.1 - rising consistently - Chris Heath
I think this is the oldest thread I see that still gets new comments added. - Sue - Friendfeed is best
*BUMP* - Micah
1.40 (32175/22968) - Micah
I dunno, I'm not good with math - sofarsoShawn
0.35 ... Apparently I'm not very talkative. - John (bird whisperer)
Thanks, John and Shawn. - Micah from FFHound(roid)!
1.459 (33067/22667) - Bren from iPhone
looks familiar... - WoH: Professor MOTHRA
2.6 (wow, this thread is like my yearly checkup; thanks micah and friendfeed, 3+years and going strong [6.4%, 2.33%]) - chaz2b
1.02 (38,615, 37,927) 9/27/11 - NOT THE CRICKET
1.29 (36,959 / 28,580) - Micah
Thanks, Jimminy, Bren, WoH, and chaz2b. :) - Micah
.46 now. :) - LB: #TeamYou
Thank you, LB. - Micah
0.33 (34741/105115) - John (bird whisperer)
Thanks John. Gracias, caj. - Micah
1.57 (24,460/15,624). It was 1.12 the day after the OP. - Tinfoil 2.0
The likes dim and comms brim. - Micah
2.91; 6.43% (@ 2yrs ago) 2.33% (@ 1yr ago). for history's sake, this thread was started shortly after i found friendfeed, or friendfeed found me, so it holds a special place in my heart. thanks for keeping it around mr micah - chaz2b
You're certainly welcome, chaz2b. In some way it feels like a living heirloom to me. :) - Micah
*BUMP* - Micah
1.25 (40,008/31,895) - Micah
1.15 - Kristin
5.12 - Julian
3 (2.991) (and now the list has become too lengthy for me to track my progress, ;) [dumb me, i have a post not 10 lines ago in history, from 090711 2.91; 6.43% (@ 2yrs ago) 2.33% (@ 1yr ago) ;) ] - chaz2b
.79 - Shevonne
24 072 / 35 095 = 0.685909674 - AJ Batac
0,77 (before and after this comment) - loi
2.65 (69,814 comments/26,281 likes) - Spidra Webster
1.51 = 28,196/18,717. Was 1.57 in Sept 2011 and 1.12 in Jan 2009. - Tinfoil 2.0
*BUMP* - Micah
0.174 (6966/40022) - Not much of a talker. - Kevin Johnson
1.23 (41,476 / 33,845) - Micah
1.43 - Tamara J. B.
.15 on March 21, 2009, .19. on September 18, 2010, and .22 today (March 8, 2012). - Alix May
*BUMP* for Ross - Micah
2.83 - Ross Miller
1.97 on 2012-04-24 - ؛ patrick
0.99 (44,752, 45,200) 4/24/11 || 0.83, (?, ?), (28.August.2009); 0.97, (6,694, 6,929), (11.Nov.2009); 0.91, (13,933, 15,222), (17.April.2010); 0.94, (15,045, 15,978), (11.May.2010); .98, (20,405, 20,834), (03.August.2010); 1.00, (27,093, 27,080), (06.January.2011); 1.02, (38,615, 37,927), (27.September.2011); 0.99 (44,752, 45,200), (24.April.2012); - NOT THE CRICKET
0.90 - Uli
1.6 - AJ Batac
1.34 Did you finish all your profiling yet, Micah? - WoH: Professor MOTHRA
1.22 (42,526 / 34,975) - Micah
Glad to see you here, Ross. Thanks for the updates everyone. WoH, the master plan is coming together nicely. - Micah
Excellent *steeples fingers* - WoH: Professor MOTHRA
*staples fingers* - John (bird whisperer)
Hmm, can you order finger-steeples on Amazon? - Micah
*readies the Band-Aids* - WoH: Professor MOTHRA
Micah: I can sell you some, cheap. Just fax your credit card, SIN and maiden name to the usual number. - WoH: Professor MOTHRA
My facsimile machine is in dry dock at the moment, but I'll pigeon over a small scroll with all the requisite datums. - Micah
Done and done. - WoH: Professor MOTHRA
0.31 <-- about the same as usual - John (bird whisperer)
After the last 19+ hours, it's high time to log-in your stats again. - Micah
1.20 (45878 / 38084) - Micah
1.54 (32,913 comments / 21,412 likes) - Tinfoil 2.0
Thanks, Tinfoil. - Micah
Try dividing by zero and find out (http://friendfeed.com/micahwi... ) - Micah
1.04 (10778 / 10303) - DB, Lil LB's Dad
Thanks, DB. - Micah
Currently 0.3. - John (bird whisperer)
Thanks, John. - Micah
1.01 (47,240, 46,956) 9/13/12 || 0.83, (?, ?), (28.August.2009); 0.97, (6,694, 6,929), (11.Nov.2009); 0.91, (13,933, 15,222), (17.April.2010); 0.94, (15,045, 15,978), (11.May.2010); .98, (20,405, 20,834), (03.August.2010); 1.00, (27,093, 27,080), (06.January.2011); 1.02, (38,615, 37,927), (27.September.2011); 0.99 (44,752, 45,200), (24.April.2012); 1.01, (47,240, 46,956), (14.September.2012); - NOT THE CRICKET
Thanks, Jimminy and Zulema. - Micah
BUMP - in honor of Kevin's 8K comment threshold. - Micah from FFHound(roid)!
.38 - March 15, 2013 - Jennifer Dittrich
0.279 (58096/208087) - John (bird whisperer)
0.172283 (8005/46464) - Kevin Johnson
0.75 (38,250 comments / 50,175 likes) (My entry above from 2 years ago said I had 10,782 comments and 7,666 likes for a ratio of 1.41. I've been busy, and my pattern seems to have changed.) - Stephen Mack
Thanks, Jennifer, John, Kevin and Stephen. :) - Micah from FFHound(roid)!
0.51 (6,883/13,438) - Stephan #TeamMarina from iPhone
5.72, though I deleted my first account, like, 3 years ago - Meg VMeg
1.03 (51,436, 50,018) 3/15/13 || 0.83, (?, ?), (28.August.2009); 0.97, (6,694, 6,929), (11.Nov.2009); 0.91, (13,933, 15,222), (17.April.2010); 0.94, (15,045, 15,978), (11.May.2010); .98, (20,405, 20,834), (03.August.2010); 1.00, (27,093, 27,080), (06.January.2011); 1.02, (38,615, 37,927), (27.September.2011); 0.99 (44,752, 45,200), (24.April.2012); 1.01, (47,240, 46,956), (14.September.2012); 1.03 (51,436, 50,018), (15.March.2013); - NOT THE CRICKET
.44. I guess I'm getting lazy. - LB: #TeamYou
2.22. I use YouFeed a lot, and liking takes an inordinate amount of time on the app.... - RudĩϐЯaЯïan
3.10 up from 2.83 a year ago. - Ross Miller
Thanks, Ross. - Micah from FFHound(roid)!
BUMP - Micah from FFHound(roid)!
1.07 - Kristin
1.03 - Bren from iPhone
1.90 - FLEMING from Android
This thread is amazing. What a treasure trove of information - Bren from iPhone
0.62 (5077/8197) as of 4/29/13 - Betsy
2.49 today - Marissa
1.0591 Comments per like (16,230 / 15,324). - Joe
0.47 (10,057/21,354) - Zu from AOD
0.98 (48000/48933) - Bren
Mike Chelen
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Leo Laporte
Live now: Security Now 249 with Steve Gibson: Q&A 92. http://live.twit.tv Discuss here....
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Tease: - Leo Laporte
Security Updates: Adobe, once again: Shockwave (not Flash) Many CRITICAL vulnerabilities in v11.5.6.606 and earlier on Windows and Mac Not "Shockwave Flash" - Just "Shockwave Player" From the SANS Security Vulnerability Alert: The first issue is caused by a boundary error while processing Shockwave 3D block. The second issue is a memory corruption vulnerability caused by a signedness... more... - Leo Laporte
Two new Safari for Windows problems: Last time it was a pop-up handling problem. This week, in v4.0.5, we have: The first issue is caused by a use-after-free error in the way Apple Safari handles references to window objects. A specially crafted web-page can be used to trigger this vulnerability and successful exploitation might lead to remote code execution. The second issue leads to... more... - Leo Laporte
Security News: Truly Horrifying!: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2... - Leo Laporte
*Google WiFi "Spying" Snafu* http://www.google.com/search... - Leo Laporte
How about this google search: http://www.google.com/search... - Leo Laporte
Verisign sells PKI, VIP & SSL to Symantec. - Leo Laporte
Errata and Updates - Leo Laporte
Steve's Twitter handle has changed: @AgileSynapse -> http://twitter.com/SGgrc - Leo Laporte
No he won't send you the plans for the Portable Dog Killer, but you might find the parts at http://www.smelectronics.com/ (42Ave Electronics ... since 1961) - Leo Laporte
Question [ 01 ] - Paul Stob in Nashville, TN write about: "The Portable Dog Killer" Dear Steve and Leo: I just wanted to add my voice to the likely thousands of people emailing you about the latest Security Now (about the portable dog killer). It was absolutely wonderful. My wife, God bless her, usually hates Security Now (for reasons that I'll never understand). But she absolutely... more... - Leo Laporte
Question [ 02 ] - Mike York in Seattle, WA writes about our mention of "FIRST robotics" in episode 248* Thanks for the mention of FIRST robotics. I'm been involved with FIRST for seven years serving as a team mentor, a judge and a referee. It does make a difference. A significant difference. We have seen a phenomenal growth of FIRST FRC teams here in Washington state the last few years,... more... - Leo Laporte
*Question [ 03 ] - Listener Matt says: "Please Sir, can I have some more?"... Episode #248 was FANTASTIC!!! Oh … and you're right about ctrl-c but it has been like that for a few years! So much so that it is second nature for me to always now press ctrl- cc and that always works, but it is a pain in MS Office because it brings up a multiple paste toolbar. - Leo Laporte
*Question [ 04 ] - An anonymous listener posted:* "Subject: German citizens responsible for own wireless security" An interesting ruling occurred in Germany where a musician sued a household for illegally distributing copyright content. While the family proved they were gone on vacation during the incident, the judge ruled that they were responsible because their wireless network should have been password protected. - Leo Laporte
*Question [ 05 ] - Jason in Winnipeg Manitoba Canada wonders and worries about "magic packets":* Hi Steve --- I was troubleshooting my network adapter and I came cross a network setting in Windows 7 I have never heard of before. The checkbox said "Allow a Magic Packet" to wake the computer." Should I be worried about the "magic packet"? Is it some strange or secret Microsoft backdoor... more... - Leo Laporte
*Question [ 06 ] - Vegard in Norway asks about: Hosted vs self-hosted blog:* Why are you using wordpress.com and not hosting wordpress.org yourself? - Leo Laporte
*Question [ 07 ] - Richard Doyle in Sydney, Australia stumbled upon Steve's "Legacy Project"...* Dear Steve, I am 32 and have only been listening to Security Now for a few months (but am quickly catching up!)... Your explanation over the last several weeks of the fundamentals of computer architecture, organisation, design and evolution over time has been accessible enough to inspire me... more... - Leo Laporte
Keeping blog codebase updated can be time consuming. There are hosts with automatic installers though. - Mike Chelen
Wordpress.com doesn't insert ads, only search bar (similar to Google Blogger). - Mike Chelen
*Question [ 08 ] - An anonymous listener suggested: "Subject: Let's Design a Network"* I really enjoy your program and am especially impressed by how you take the time to explain the fundamental technology to give your listeners a deeper understanding of the weekly topics you cover in your Q&A and regular episodes. If I may make an episode suggestion, it might be worth while completing... more... - Leo Laporte
Question [ 09 ] - Ashley Black in Reading, Berkshire, England brings us the WONDERFUL GLITCH OF THE WEEK! Subject: Skyhook Hi Steve! Just listened to the podcast where you described the skyhook WIFI location finding system, and it totally explained a strange bug I had been having with my Iphone! When using the Maps application on my iPhone at work, it kept showing my location as the OLD... more... - Leo Laporte
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Mike Chelen
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Mike Chelen
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Stephen Mack
Hypothetical question from "You Are Not So Smart": Suppose you won a lottery. Let's say $1 million. However, it's a very special lottery. You have to split your winnings with another person, chosen at random. Here's the catch: If she or he rejects your offer, you both get nothing. What percentage do you offer?
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Clarifications: You don't get to communicate or negotiate with the other person, you just offer a percentage. Then the lottery board communicates with him or her, and your offer is either accepted, and you both get the money, or rejected, and neither of you get a penny. - Stephen Mack
You can offer anything from 0% to 100%. There's no right or wrong answer, it's just a thought exercise. But assuming you want to keep some of your winnings, if you offer a percentage that's too low, it might be rejected and you get nothing. If you offer a percentage that's too high, you don't win as much. So, what would you offer? - Stephen Mack
This sounds like a large scale version of a survey I did a few days ago. Only I was the one who got the offer. I accepted a bad offer and decided if I ever me the person I would pinch them. - Heather
Typically fairness requires 50% or people will reject. I would give 100% because I'm just that kind of guy :-) - Todd Hoff
50% doesn't come into play because the other person doesn't have a sense of entitlement. If the odds are high enough that nobody can reasonably respect to win twice in a lifetime, I'd offer 2%. - Kevin Fox from iPhone
If you have to tell them a straight percentage, then I'd say 50% but if you can tell them a total sum, I'd say $20,000 :D - Victor Ganata
Economists love asking this type of question because it helps to underscore human irrationality. :) - Dan Hsiao
Victor, let's assume you must express your offer as a percentage in this game. - Stephen Mack from iPhone
I assume they have full knowledge, so I'd go with 25%. That seems high enough for them to say "woot!" and not want to cut me off to spite me. - Steele Lawman
Without knowing the total sum of the winnings, I honestly think some people would reject what sound like really low ball offers. I don't think anyone would reject even $100, but they just might if you told them they only get 0.01%. Especially if there's paperwork involved :) - Victor Ganata
Never thought I would say this but I agree with Cristo ;-) - 'H'institches #TeamMarina
I'd offer 45%, because I don't mind sharing, but it's my dollar that bought the ticket so I deserve more. - Starmama from FFHound(roid)!
I also assume the other person knows the percentage, and I'd say 50%. If I was on the other side and was offered 10%, and knew the rules, unless I was impoverished the temptation to say "Screw you" would be really tough to resist. - Walt Crawford
I mean, if I were the person being asked, and they couldn't tell me the total? What if they only got 2 numbers + the mega? I'm not going to fill out paperwork for $0.0005. Probably not even for the whole $5 - Victor Ganata
That surprises me, Walt. Unless I really didn't like the other person, a lowball percentage is still more money than $0. It's still money I wouldn't otherwise have gotten. - Spidra Webster
I'd want to go with 50%, not because I think the other person would reject a lower number, but mostly because it is windfall money. As much as more could be great (I can certainly think of good uses for it), it is basically free money (minus the small amount of the ticket.) I guess it depends on how you see it - either the other person is 'costing' you the percentage that you're giving them, or they're giving you the percentage you're getting by participating. - Jennifer Dittrich
@Spidra, Walt's response is a fairly common one. People will give up free money to spite you if they think you're being unreasonably greedy. But that doesn't mean you can't be a little greedy (so I'd definitely offer less than 50%.) - Dan Hsiao
OTOH, if someone offered me 90%, I'd be suspicious. What's the catch? Is this not really a lottery, but a way to involve me in a nefarious money laundering scam? Even 55-45 in my favor might make me paranoid. - Victor Ganata
I'd probably offer 50%. Doesnt hurt me any since I'm starting with no money, and offering them an even split wouldn't leave them feeling like I was trying to take 'more than my share'. (Essentially, what Jennifer said above) - ωαřмaiden ❤Bassetmom❤
If you can't be told the total winnings, what if 5% is some incredibly infinitesimal amount? What heuristic would the average person follow to decide whether or not it was worth their time to get involved? - Victor Ganata
Does lottery board communicates how much is at stake or just the $$$ amt or the % offer ?? These are crucial parameters to my decesion. If the total amt is disclosed then I'll offer 50%, if $$$$ amt discloused. I'll offer 10000/- , if % is disclosed (Without telling the total amt). I'll give 10%. - Peter Dawson
CLARIFICATION: The Lottery Board will disclose both the total winnings and the percentage. "Hello, this is the Lottery Board. So-and-so won $1 million in the lottery, and you were randomly selected to share it with so-and-so. So-and-so is offering you __%. You can either accept that offer, and you get __%, which is $___, and so-and-so gets the rest of the $1 million, or you can reject that offer and both of you get nothing." - Stephen Mack
Ah, then, yeah, I'd offer 2%, although I bet you there's still a fair chance I'd get screwed. - Victor Ganata
This is fascinating. I would go for 50% because the chances of anyone rejecting that is so small. It seems equitable and everyone feels like they win. - WoH: Professor MOTHRA
"What's your answer, Stephen?" -- I will chime in tonight :) - Stephen Mack
With Stephen Mack's clarification, I'd offer 50%. For the reasons stated by others. - Walt Crawford
If the The Lottery Board will disclose both the total winnings and the percentage. then the only logic conclusion is to be fair and share 50%.. else the other party can screw you either way. If I go by @tiffany thinking, then its a zero loss $$$ , as the $1 was never yours to start off with. However, the chances are in gaining 'found' moniess for both parties if its split dead center. however, its still 50/50 chance that it can be reject/taken , regardelss off how much is offered , thats pure stat's - Peter Dawson
50%, less the about that gives me $1 more. Then I'd announce at a press realease that I'd like to meet the other recipient and if they are willing I want to give him/her the final 50 cents of their split I'd been holding for them. - Micah from FFHound(roid)!
Something like 60-70%, from what I've seen of this question before. What you don't have is a measure of the other person's greed and spite. The choice you have is all or nothing, but you get to decide what all is. If I've invested only $1, having 300000-400000x return is fine. I'd rather hedge with a smaller amount of still considerable returns. It would also depend on how hard it was to initially win the lottery, of course. - NOT THE CRICKET from twhirl
Also, I remember discussing this before, though I think that was $100. And I believe there is a section in Dan Ariely's book "Predictably Irrational" on the topic. And this type of thought-puzzle if I remember correctly it is an example of an 'Utlimatum Game'. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki... - NOT THE CRICKET from twhirl
50% because people are irrational. - Dario Gomez
It's amusing that a system that has helped us survive gazillions of years could be considered irrational. - Todd Hoff
You believe that people have evolved due to selection of the most rational? - Steele Lawman
Todd, effective survival systems certainly can be considered irrational. Consider peacock feathers. - Stephen Mack
But it's irrational to say a system that leads to survival of a species is irrational. - Todd Hoff
Maybe let's discuss that concept in a different post? I disagree but I'd rather focus this post on the lottery offer. - Stephen Mack
I'd bet that pretty much no one would turn down $100,000, but a surprising number of people would turn down 10% - Victor Ganata
I think how one responds is how the proposition for the second person is phrased. There are different variations, are they called 'winners', amount vs percentage numbers, do they know the original amount/amount person one recieves? Also, the size of the initial amount is a factor. - NOT THE CRICKET from twhirl
Jimminy, I agree with all that. For this exercise, assume it's one million dollars, and the call the second person gets is phrased as I put it in a comment above: "Hello, this is the Lottery Board. So-and-so won $1 million in the lottery, and you were randomly selected to share it with so-and-so. So-and-so is offering you __%. You can either accept that offer, and you get __%, which is $___, and so-and-so gets the rest of the $1 million, or you can reject that offer and both of you get nothing." - Stephen Mack
So far, "50%" is in the lead with 6 votes, followed by "10%" with 3 votes, and 2 votes for "2%," then 1 vote apiece for "100%" and "25%" and "45%" and "5%" and "some percentage less than 50%" and "some percentage greater than 0%" and "60-70%." I'd like to see some more answers, please! - Stephen Mack
In the hypothetical where I was the necessary random person and not the main winner, I would take as little as 10 bucks, even if there was paperwork (assuming I wasn't worried about a scam), because I would be excited for them and not care about what happened to me. However, in the opposite case, I would offer 50 percent. They are equally necessary to my benefit as I am, so we should... more... - Marianne
I realize this isn't a balanced, logical approach, but my sense of morality is neither balanced nor logical, and I find that going against it makes me unhappier than any amount of money would make me happy. - Marianne
I agree with Starmama - I would offer 45% - b/c I won and they would be getting a good portion of it but I should get more and they should be happy with almost but not quite half. :D - Paulette
10%. I think that the big risk is being rejected because the random person assumes that the offer is a spam, not because of spite. - Tudor Bosman
Tudor, for the purposes of this hypothetical, don't worry about that -- assume that the Lottery Board shows up with a giant check and TV cameras and an Ed McMahon clone. - Stephen Mack
If it involves an Ed McMahon clone, the other guy can have all the money. - Steele Lawman
Stephen, if you were my special someone, I would give you half. - Louis Gray
Needs more clarifications; Does that person know all the details (this person won lottery but ...bla bla ) ? or someone is gonna tell her/him "That person offers you %x of her/his money, do you accept ?" - Ozgur Demir
Ozgur, assume they know about this lottery and that it's popular. - Stephen Mack from iPhone
50% :) - Georgia
If the last name of the person started with A-E 65% F-Y 45% Z 30% No last name then 25% - Me
Deciding if behavior is rational depends on the goal. If only the profit from a single event matters, then it is irrational to turn down any amount over zero. However if an individual in a tribe punishes another member for being selfish, that might improve their behavior in future situations. - Mike Chelen
Mike Chelen
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chrisofspades
is there a list of all of our Wordfeud handles? if not, here it go.
I'm chrisofspades (big surprise I know) - chrisofspades
laurabotts - LB: #TeamYou
Sonorandragon, but I warn you, I suck at this game. I have fun, but you're going to whip my ass. And if you don't, then you shouldn't be playing it. - Dan: Bibrarian
StarsAtNightTX - Kristin
MikeChelen and it looks like the latest version of WF includes a new friends list feature - Mike Chelen
iphwin (iOS) - (Curtis) Alan Jackson
Still faboomama - Anika
I'm skeered to play against Anika - A Gunny named Slickback
movieguyjon - Jonathan Hardesty from Android
Anika is skeery indeed! - LB: #TeamYou
*cries* I'm not either! - Anika
I'm willing to play again I haven't been humiliated lately :D - A Gunny named Slickback
Starmama30 - Starmama from FFHound(roid)!
Mike Chelen
Blogging with Git using Jekyll on Ubuntu 11.10 - http://michaelchelen.net/article...
"Jekyll generates a complete website from local text files. The generated files can be served by any standard webserver. The template system supports a blog style layout. Specialized languages such as Markdown are supported through Gems. Jekyll is compatible with Git version control. Tested on Ubuntu Server 11.10 Oneiric." - Mike Chelen from Bookmarklet
Jekyll is being used for the actual site http://michaelchelen.net and the source repo is available on Github https://github.com/mchelen... - Mike Chelen
Son of Groucho
Image of the day: 84-year-old woman hit with pepper spray, Occupy Seattle - Boing Boing #occupy - http://boingboing.net/2011...
Image of the day: 84-year-old woman hit with pepper spray, Occupy Seattle - Boing Boing #occupy
"Image at left: "Seattle activist Dorli Rainey, 84, reacts after being hit with pepper spray during an Occupy Seattle protest on Tuesday, November 15, 2011 at Westlake Park." Seattle Post-Intelligencer photographer Joshua Trujillo captured this shot, along with other shots of Seattle Police officers using pepper spray to disperse a crowd." - Son of Groucho from Bookmarklet
=O - Shevonne
Is this the democracy the US wants to export to the rest of the World? - Son of Groucho
I guess macing the younger protestors weren't doing it anymore. - Steven Perez
@Gordon: no, it most certainly IS NOT. don't be fatuous. - Big Joe Silence
although it is not any less shocking when done to an 18 year old! Or at least it shouldnt be. - Iphigenie
It shouldn't be, but for me, it is. We are taught to respect our elders. This shows none. - Shevonne from Android
this is illustration of how scared are powers-that-be... I wonder now, can US population at large get rid of self-elected government at all? or whole democracy theater exists to add smell and taste of legitimacy for gang at power? - непростые коротышки
It's always inappropriate to mace peaceful protestors. When the victim is a younger person, viewers may imagine that they were somehow resisting violently. However when an old or infirm person is the target, it is instantly apparent that they could not have been a threat to the police officers. - Mike Chelen
@Mike That is true as well. What the hell can a 84-year old woman do? I guess none of these officers have grandmothers. - Shevonne
Or fathers... ;-) - Son of Groucho
:) - Shevonne
Joe "The Anvil" Pierce
Small fire in my pc, I'm fine, I don't know if it can be salvaged with a new power supply. No money to get a new anything... Good times
:( Glad you're ok, though. - Anne Bouey
Give me a day without a pc and I'll wish I had burned. - Joe "The Anvil" Pierce
:( - Micah from FFHound(roid)!
Literally have no idea what to do at this point - Joe "The Anvil" Pierce
Yikes. :( - Steven Perez
:( - Heather
Try freecyle or thrift stores to pick up miscellaneous gear. - Mike Chelen
Jason Snyder
Are subscription-based, or non-free, Electronic Lab Notebooks worth it? NIH is weighing options on which one to purchase, namely Labmatrix ( http://www.biofortis.com/product... ), Labtrack ( http://www.labtrack.com ), and Sparklix ( http://www.sparklix.com ).
I'm not sure I like the idea of paying, especially on a monthly basis for a subscription, once I have to foot the bill, and also if free cloud-based services exist and can do a half decent job... - Jason Snyder
I'm more worried about the NIH devoting itself to one provider... people should have the freedom to pick a ELN that suites them, and the organization should be careful not to fall for the Vendor Lockin trap... they should pick a provider that strongly supports Open Standards... - Egon Willighagen
Personally I would run screaming in the opposite direction at this point. Trying to standardise across the NIH with anything that describes itself as an ELN is very like to be a disaster IMO - Cameron Neylon from twhirl
data portability is the keystone for software selection, because however perfectly any program meets today's standards, in the future those requirements are sure to change - Mike Chelen
I May give ELNs a try, just to see what I'm missing, but you all bring up some key points that make them pretty unattractive. I think the take home message for me is to spend a few hours deciding how exactly to best organize my lab notebook. Currently, it's a mix of lab books, sheets of paper, google calendar, google notebook (which isn't even being maintained by google), and a bunch of files stored remotely via dropbox...all the info's there, just not so cohesive. - Jason Snyder
I've been working with a small outfit called BioKM to get them to support data portability and open standards, but so far I haven't been able to get much of a committment from them regarding how open data and data portability fits into their roadmap. Hopefully this thread will help them see the importance. (In case anyone's wondering, that's my strategy to get more support for open science - help the service providers get a clue about what customers want in this regard) - Mr. Gunn
Gunn: what do you recommend for data potability? XML maybe? We just released Samples (scimatic.com/samples) and I'd like to look into doing more in regards to data portability - Jamie McQuay from iPhone
I would have said XML some year ago, but now I'd say RDF using Open Specification namespaces, like FOAF, DOAP, Dublin Core, BIBO, ... - Egon Willighagen
Egon: thanks for the info, will be looking into more exportability in our next point release of Samples. - Jamie McQuay
+1 Egon, and thanks. RDF FTW I need to turn on comment notification or something. - Mr. Gunn
Followup the NIH evaluation process, recently the Scientific Directors have decided that each researcher is free to choose the electronic lab notebook that best suites their needs. During the committee evaluation, Sparklix e-Notebook received high praises for its ease of use, reach functionality and the included support. this electronic lab notbook is free, I would give it a try - http://www.sparklix.com/signup - Roi Paz
Consider using WorkingWiki http://lalashan.mcmaster.ca/theobio... - it's free and flexible regarding data types. - Lee Worden
Micah
Are able to study at 100% capacity with music playing?
Nope. - LB: #TeamYou
No. I require silence - ωαřмaiden ❤Bassetmom❤
As long as it's not loud. Cannot have TV on, though. - (Curtis) Alan Jackson
I don't think I'm able to study at 100% capacity no matter what's going on. However, I do study better with music than without. - COMPLICATED MR. NOODLE
I usually need some background sound, otherwise my mind wanders. - Eric
I'm never thinking at 100% capacity on one thing. Music sometimes helps me focus, and other times it is cause for distraction. - NOT THE CRICKET
Depends on my mood, type of studying, and the type of music. Electronic or classical music often helps me focus when tired. - Mike Chelen
Yes, I need some kind of background noise - Tamara
Yes, the louder the better - Elena from iPhone
I NEED music most of the time, but a restricted range of kinds, and volume is usually lower than more casual listening. Definitely no TV or video. - Tinfoil 2.0
I am no longer able to anything at 100% any of time, regardless of whether or not there is also music. - Friar Will
No, definitely not. - teleken from BuddyFeed
I study under 100% without music... So, I guess, yeah. I also need to be able to move around, pace, whatever. I'm a kinesthetic learner. - Lisa L. Seifert
I'm not able to study at 100% capacity ever. - chrisofspades
Nope. - Alix May
Generally not. - John (bird whisperer)
Yes, and sometimes even better, it can be inspiring - sofarsoShawn from iPhone
I used to always have music playing in the background as a programmer and student. Now, I find it distracting. I actually do suffer from an inability to study at 100% capacity, though. I think the music used to give my mind some type of continuity with stuff I was used to doing. Now, I don't really do the same things. - Rahsheen
Actually, instrumental music will help me sometimes. Anything with words will be distracting. - John (bird whisperer)
^^that. - April Russo
Yeah, what John said, music without too many lyrics is better for me. - Zulema ❧ spicy cocoa tart
Not anymore. During college, no problem. - rönin
Yes, with classical music or film scores. I did that all through college/grad school. - Jenny from Android
No - Ashish
Yes. - Steven Perez
Yes. Gotta have music. I find absolute silence distracting. Soft, relaxing music helps me study better I believe. - DB, Lil LB's Dad
No. I need no tv, music etc. Nature sounds are okay though. And my own voice. I tend to learn better if I repeat things out loud. - Melly - #TeamMarina
No. I used to like noise when I worked or studied, but now I need quiet to concentrate and fully focus. - Trish R
I used to love to study with classical music playing. - Kisha
I used to be able to when I was a kid. Not anymore. - Spidra Webster
somebody say something? - Morgan
I do better with complex stuff when listening to jazz. No vocals. - Josh Haley
I do better concentrating in silence. Music distracts me. - #cryptic
LANjackal
Efforts to replace immigrant workers in Alabama fields coming up short - http://blog.al.com/wire...
Efforts to replace immigrant workers in Alabama fields coming up short
"Jerry Spencer had an idea after Alabama's tough new law against illegal immigration scared Hispanic workers out of the tomato fields northeast of Birmingham: Recruit unemployed U.S. citizens to do the work, give them free transportation and pay them to pick the fruit and clean the fields. After two weeks, Spencer said Monday, the experiment is a failure. Jobless resident Americans lack the physical stamina and the mental toughness to see the job through, he said, and there's not much of a chance a new state program to fill the jobs will fare better." - LANjackal from Bookmarklet
Why couldn't the original workers be granted visas or citizenship? Clearly they were contributing to the local economy. Labor is a valuable resource and throwing it away is going to cause problems. - Mike Chelen
BECAUSE THIS IS AMERICA!!! We don't do sensible politics here!!! NOT IN MY COUNTRY /s - LANjackal
Maybe because US citizens lack the mind numbing fear to put up with crap wages, dirty unsafe sexist workplace with no water or place to take a shit... In short a business built on powerless illegals is unlikely to work well with actual American workers who don't fear ICE round up Epic Fail there Republican asshat More money and OSHA safe get your fruit picked but that aint "economical" in da Deep South - WarLord
Different day same rightwing lies - WarLord
"A 25-person team of citizens recently picked and processed about 200 boxes in a day, he said, earning each member only $24. ." ... I'm a little skeptical... that works out to 8 boxes a person, or (assuming a citizen farm worker worked just 8 hours) a box an hour. You're telling me even newbies took an hour to fill up a box like the one pictured there? - Andrew C (✔)
Wildcat
How to Bid on Computing Power -New online exchanges aim to turn computer time into a globally traded commodity. Technology Review - https://www.technologyreview.com/busines...
How to Bid on Computing Power -New online exchanges aim to turn computer time into a globally traded commodity. Technology Review
"Imagine buying time on a computer in Ireland or Indiana the same way you'd bid for an antique on eBay. That's how a new crop of startup companies called "cloud brokerages" plan to change the way companies buy and sell computing capacity. Cloud computing has already made accessing computer power more efficient. Instead of buying computers, companies can now run websites or software by leasing time at data centers run by vendors like Amazon or Microsoft. The idea behind cloud brokerages is to take the efficiency of cloud computing a step further by creating a global marketplace where computing capacity can be bought and sold at auction." - Wildcat from Bookmarklet
Been using Amazon EC2 spot instances for a while, great value if you bid when prices are low. More providers would help with price spikes, especially if there are ways to place orders across multiple exchanges. - Mike Chelen
Stephen Francoeur
Triple bypass – What does the death of the semantic web mean for publishers? - http://blogs.semantico.com/discove...
I'm always wary of any "death of" pronouncements but thought I'd share this provocative post all the same. Pull quote: "For years semantic web purists have been preaching that the future is all about RDF and triples. Yet, in the 12 years that theorists have been working on the semantic web, we’ve yet to see many convincing practical uses for the technology. The graph I’ve included above shows the rise and fall of Web 2.0 job postings compared to job posts requiring semantic web technologies. This makes a pretty clear case that the semantic web simply never took off." - Stephen Francoeur
I hate deathwatches, but the original concept of the semantic web really never did work--for reasons that have little to do with technology and lots to do with people and language. And since Web2.0 is best understood as a trademarked conference series, the "death" of Web3.0 is irrelevant. - Walt Crawford
*sighs once again over topic maps* - RepoRat
i hate triples... they just seem really impoverished way of describing anything....but our sponsors are still interested in semantic web - Christina Pikas
For me, it's just that PEOPLE DO NOT THINK THIS WAY. I can explain topic maps in a couple hours with reference to back-of-book indexes -- I can even go pretty far into the weeds with 'em. They just *make sense*. Once you get past the basic idea of the triple, RDF immediately zooms into Computer Scientists Only Zone. (And computer scientists who never learned a damn thing about human language or trust relationships, too.) - RepoRat
I don't think I'm stupid. I do *know* that after several years of run-ins with RDF, and reviewing a book on it, I still don't understand it, can't explain it, and can't do anything useful with it. (Slight exception: I could recast a thesaurus in SKOS if I had to. That's not hard.) - RepoRat
I suspect the fundamental problem with Semantic Web (capital S, capital W) goes further than triples: The asserted "make everything wonderful" applications require everyone to tag everything as triples in great detail, *using the same language and assumptions* to tag them. And the early examples were a lot of effort to make the easy stuff...well, no easier. - Walt Crawford
My guess: If Sir Tim's name hadn't been attached to the term--hell, if he hadn't coined the term--the *concepts* would have been useful, as they are, for niche applications, and that would have been fine. (I'll always treasure having told him, to his face, that it wasn't going to happen...) - Walt Crawford
Does SW have to mean RDF only? For example the metadata that Google search uses to identify different sections of a page is quite helpful. - Mike Chelen
No, it doesn't, unless you ask an RDF-head. *g* That's what Google's schema.org attempt to derail RDF-on-the-web is about. - RepoRat
If semantic can refer to other structured data on the web, perhaps RSS should be considered a successful example? - Mike Chelen
Joe "The Anvil" Pierce
#SaturdayFF It really is killing me that I couldn't swing those improv classes. I feel like I'm almost part of a thing, but no matter what I do I'm just treading water. I feel like that a lot.
*hugs* - Yolanda from Android
Treading water >> Drowning - Mike Chelen
I enjoy both stand-up and improv for very different reasons. Stand-up is very solitary and a total feeling of control. Improv is about teamwork and letting go of control. - Joe "The Anvil" Pierce
Daniel Mietchen
Looking for options for a web-based survey - any recommendations?
I know Google Forms, Survey Monkey and Lime Survey. Desired non-usual features: Embed (or link to) files that are already on the web, handle non-ASCII fonts (e.g. Korean). - Daniel Mietchen
@SurveyGizmo Thanks - it's on my list now. And thanks for the overview at http://www.relevantinsights.com/free-on... . - Daniel Mietchen
I used PollEverywhere for my class this past term http://www.polleverywhere.com/free_te... - Jean-Claude Bradley
"NOTE: Exporting data is not included in a free account." - http://help.surveymonkey.com/app... - Daniel Mietchen
SurveyMonkey has a nice interface for forms, what are the export options for free accounts? Google Forms / Spreadsheets are handy because the results are immediately available through a spreadsheet, where calculations and charts can be added. - Mike Chelen
Mike Chelen
Climbing Tools: Equalised Anchors (again) #YouTube - http://www.youtube.com/watch...
Climbing Tools: Equalised Anchors (again) #YouTube
Play
1) Equalized 2) Isolated 3) No shock-load! - Mike Chelen from Bookmarklet
Mike Chelen
Google Blog: New chart types, and chart improvements for documents and drawings - http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2011...
Google Blog: New chart types, and chart improvements for documents and drawings
Google Blog: New chart types, and chart improvements for documents and drawings
"We also made spreadsheet charts more powerful and easier to work with. After you create a chart, it’s now simpler to copy an image of your chart and embed it into a document or drawing. There are more chart types to choose from now, too—from candlestick and combo charts to GeoMaps and TreeMaps." - Mike Chelen from Bookmarklet
Adriano
The Enlightened Economist :: Books v. eBooks . [7 rants ;-] - http://www.enlightenmenteconomics.com/blog...
The Enlightened Economist :: Books v. eBooks . [7 rants ;-]
"1. You can’t safely spill sunscreen or wine on an electronic device, or get sand in it. 2. You can’t share books on a device. I can’t even get e-books I bought on one device onto another device I own. E-books torpedo domestic and friendly sharing. 3. They could do the same to the second hand book market. 4. You can’t cut and paste quotes from an e-book. Their makers are so paranoid about “intellectual property theft” that to quote from an e-book, I have to retype the whole thing. 5. How are you supposed to refer others to specific pages of the text – e.g. in a footnote? Floating “locations” have replaced fixed “pages”. Will authors have to start numbering their paragraphs, as if in a mediaeval manuscript? 6. I hate the smallness of the screen. I read quickly so have to keep thumbing to the next “page” and get thumb-ache. I hate having to keep scrolling back by several “locations” to go back to something rather than just turning back a page. 7. I can’t see what other people are reading when I’m on the train. This used to offer moments of delight." - Adriano from Bookmarklet
1. True with current devices 2. Bluetooth, WiFi? 3. Who cares 4. Yes you can, if you get a good format of ebook 5. Good question which is solvable 6. Get a bigger screen 7. Try asking - Mike Chelen
Technical books do not look great on e-book reader while I think they work very well for text based books such as novels. - Ashish
Wildcat
Mike Chelen
"We’re pleased to announce that the PLoS Article-Level Metrics API is now available! Since March 2009, we’ve been aggregating metrics for every article with the PLoS Article-Level Metrics application and displaying the data on articles published at PLoS. Now the Article-Level Metrics API is available for the community to retrieve the same data and to create mash-ups with the metrics. If you’ve entered the PLoS/Mendeley Binary Battle, this is also an additional source to use along with the PLoS Search API." - Mike Chelen from Bookmarklet
Kol Tregaskes
What is your Last.fm URL? Add me here if you like: http://www.last.fm/user...
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Don't forget about the FriendFeed group on Last.fm too, more details here: http://ff.im/62vKL #whatsyoururl - Kol Tregaskes
Cool, thanks, Nicholas. :-) - Kol Tregaskes
I was gonna say...doesn't the FF group on Last.fm take care of this? - Spidra Webster
I finally found one person on my friends' list who we are "Very High" - Shevonne
MWM has a last.fm group at last.fm that you may want to check out - RAPatton from iPhone
Low? Strange, I like (and listen to) most of your top artists. http://www.last.fm/user... - Marcos
I think you befriended me on it, but mine's http://last.fm/user/vmlemon. - Tyson Key
Crud - dropped this on the wrong FF post. Ah well! Sorry to whomever I apparently spammed! http://www.last.fm/user... - Ciaoenrico
And frankly, I like adding friends with whom I have a low compatibility. It helps me hear music I never would have found in the first place. I never would have listened to a lot of my favorite music if someone hadn't said, "just try it." - Ciaoenrico
Heh, "Music you have in common includes ABBA and Depeche Mode"... - Tyson Key
Last.fm profile exchange? I'm at http://www.last.fm/user... - Czar
Haggis, your link didn't work. - Kol Tregaskes
Fossil Huntress, you have the highest compatibility so far. Low but still the highest. ;-) - Kol Tregaskes
ABBA and Depeche Mode are killer. Whose said that? Whom should I be friending there? :) - Ciaoenrico
No me. ;-) - Kol Tregaskes
Czar, yep basically it is. :-) - Kol Tregaskes
Your musical compatibility with koltregaskes is Very Low. Music you have in common includes Sneaker Pimps, Hybrid, Snake River Conspiracy, VAST and The Boxer Rebellion. (that's because I listen to a lot of obscure stuff) http://www.last.fm/user/app103 - April Russo
http://www.last.fm/listen... BTW, I send my Blip.FM feed to Last.FM. I fell asleep several times while listening to Blip, so there's some music in there that I don't necessarily like. But, for the most part, it's mine. - Michael Fidler
user/tofu916 I LoVe last.fm! - Tofu De la Moore from BuddyFeed
http://www.last.fm/user... - I'm going to leave it playing scrobbing my 5 stars over lunch so it can log some of my favourite tracks - Toby Graham
http://www.last.fm/user... - I share a lot of my "love it" back to twitter by funneling through here :-) - Courtney Engle
I've listed my top 25ish songs of the moment here: http://ff.im/6diug if anyone is interested. - Kol Tregaskes
If I played my 'best of the best' playlist one day would anyone be interested? It's 45 songs and iTunes tells me it's 4 hours. I can post a FF message when I start and finish and you can check the tunes out. - Kol Tregaskes
Thanks for all the friends request BTW, I work up this morning to 30 of them in my inbox. :-) I've added you all. - Kol Tregaskes
Glenn, I get a high compatibility with you. :-) - Kol Tregaskes
I am going to add you right now...I am http://last.fm/user... :O) - Harold Cabezas
Don't use it as much as I used to, but it's -> http://www.last.fm/user... - Matthew Horton
I barely use last.fm as a site - but I scrobble all the time. Like everywhere else I am finalcut there. - Bill Rawlinson
Bill, that's pretty much what I do. What's your URL? :-) - Kol Tregaskes
Keep 'em coming, I'll add you all later today. :-) - Kol Tregaskes
Thank you!! :-) - Kol Tregaskes
Last.fm/user/iMJR - Matt Ruiz
Thank you. - Kol Tregaskes
hi! http://last.fm/user/legaria I frankly don't see the value in adding friends there though ??' - Franc, a rememberer
Franc, you can recommendations and more choice in your Neighbourhood radios stations. - Kol Tregaskes
Welp. Ya'll have been friended and oddly enough I only had 4 with high compatibility. Lucky for me that means there is a lot more music our there that I need to be turned on to. Thanks, Kol! :-) - Mathew A. Koeneker
hm - and looking at my last.fm page, I'd say I need to use my ipod more and Pandora a bit less ... - Chris Rogers
oh. I get it, thanks Kol. I'm still finding my way through it. - Franc, a rememberer
I signed up back in 2005: http://www.last.fm/user... Not using it anymore since they pulled that stunt. Scrobbling to http://alpha.libre.fm/user... - Morgaine LeFaye
Bumping this post after seeing the new Friend Finder on Last.fm. - Kol Tregaskes
Daniel Mietchen
I plan to submit a session on collaborative platforms for open science and possibly another one on "Research funding 2.0" (cf. http://ff.im/9SvED ). Anyone interested in teaming up? Deadline for submissions is 30 June 2011. - Daniel Mietchen from Bookmarklet
Daniel: What type of platforms are you interested in covering? - Mike Chelen
My favourites would be wikis and GitHub, though others (e.g. Etherpads/ Google docs, Bazaar) could also be possible. - Daniel Mietchen
There are a number of exciting aspects for wiki platforms and GitHub, been having alot of fun with Git-backed wikis and GH pages lately. Etherpad and Google docs are also great examples, and supposedly the EP tech will be integrated with GDocs eventually. Don't have much experience with Bazaar however it does seem popular for some software projects such as Ubuntu. - Mike Chelen
Is there a technical description for the WikiGenes project? Wondering if it uses only core MediaWiki or also some extensions. - Mike Chelen
I think it is heavily customized (especially for the reputation part). I had considered using http://www.wikigenes.org/e... as an example, but then I had actually meant to write Gene Wiki here - corrected: http://en.wikiversity.org/w... . - Daniel Mietchen
I have now started drafts for four session proposals: http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki... . Collaborators welcome! In particular, I think that http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki... could be a good occasion to showcase open science. - Daniel Mietchen
CC @jcbradley @skoch3 @cboettig . - Daniel Mietchen
@fundscience @kickstarter @sciflies @eurekafund - interested in "Research funding 2.0" session at ESOF 2012? http://bit.ly/RF-2-0 - Daniel Mietchen
now #madwriting session to finalize the proposals at http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki... . - Daniel Mietchen
Is it better to put suggestions for content in the wiki page itself or in the talk page? - Mike Chelen
Please edit the page directly. - Daniel Mietchen
All sessions submitted. - Daniel Mietchen
Scoble, Alex Scoble
With the 20 billion dollars that it costs annually for troop infrastructure in Iraq and Afghanistan, we could be ending world hunger.
It is estimated that it would cost 30 billion annually to fund the agriculture projects needed to end world hunger. - Scoble, Alex Scoble
When put in that kind of comparison, it's hard to make a case for continuing our military involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan. - Scoble, Alex Scoble
But how will arms dealers--I mean defense contractors--survive? Won't someone think of the producers of weapons of mass destruction? - Victor Ganata
This isn't the cost for drones...this is the cost for keeping our troops cool...basically it's the cost of the gas and transporting of the gas to the various bases we have to keep the troops cool and functioning. - Scoble, Alex Scoble
If a vast part of our economy didn't depend on making things that explode and/or kill lots of people, would our troops be baking alive in Afghanistan? - Victor Ganata
One could reason that the more we spend on more automated methods of killing, the less we would need to spend on troops. - Scoble, Alex Scoble
You can't win a war with air power alone. Especially if you're fighting a land war in Asia. - Victor Ganata
But yes, one problem when you have so much military stuff is that politicians will want to use it. - Scoble, Alex Scoble
I didn't say automated airplanes. :) - Scoble, Alex Scoble
Until we build AI that can tell friend from foe and that won't get hopelessly trapped on winding mountain trails and caves, you're probably going to need someone within radio range. - Victor Ganata
But I'm hoping we won't still be in Afghanistan by the time the Singularity rolls around. - Victor Ganata
If you bring home all those soldiers, do you have enough jobs for them? - Johnny from iPhone
We can get them to work feeding the world, Johnny. - Scoble, Alex Scoble
I doubt the people in play who are involved in national defense and all that goes along with that: contracts, money, back scratching, etc. really give a damn about ending world hunger. Nice thought though. - Derrick
Sad but probably true, Derrick. - Scoble, Alex Scoble
Good thing it is not up to the defense contractors to decide when the nation goes to war. Unfortunately many political representatives also seem to support these military actions. - Mike Chelen
One point I have heard before that is very interesting (as a question, the person wasn't suggesting not ending hunger at all) is: If you end world hunger, will you destroy the cheap manufacturing sector? If you remove the primary source of desperation, that of food supply, will people still be willing to work for cents-a-day under barbaric conditions? - Johnny
If a side effect of stopping people from starving is to eliminate labor conditions similar to slavery, that sounds like a pretty good bonus :D - Mike Chelen
Mike, indeed... but what ramifications will that have on the world economy. Everything has an effect :) - Johnny
Johnny: An incredibly positive one? The productivity of a healthy, educated worker is far greater than someone doing cheap manual labor and starving. - Mike Chelen
Ah yes Mike, but are the current structures of the world economy, or indeed the local areas in which these plans would mostly be deployed, set up for a sudden influx of non-desperate people. People like cheap products. Are people willing to pay more because some dude on food welfare in Asia gets all uppity about his conditions? Are there enough jobs for people to earn a decent living... more... - Johnny
It's a misconception that wealth is necessarily zero-sum in a capitalist system. Sure, feeding everyone will be disruptive, but it doesn't necessarily require Robin Hood tactics. - Victor Ganata
Johnny: Where are these additional people coming from? The population would still be the same, only a larger proportion would be properly nourished. Is getting slightly cheaper products a good enough reason to let children starve? - Mike Chelen
It is now... - Johnny from iPhone
That assumes that feeding the world would lead to an increase in prices. A rational argument can be made that with the extra productivity, prices of goods would come down. - Scoble, Alex Scoble
And since it's never been done before, we really have no idea what would happen. - Scoble, Alex Scoble
There are many instances on smaller scales. Soup kitchens for example provide a basic level of nutrition for homeless or poor families and individuals. Better nutrition has been shown to increase cognitive performance, and decrease violent or disruptive behavior. - Mike Chelen
Not to be cynical but who is it that estimates that 30 billion (or any amount of money for that matter) would fund projects to feed the world? - Brian Sullivan
The United Nations Food and Agriculture Organization among others, Brian http://www.google.com/search... - Scoble, Alex Scoble
The figure from the United Nations is $30b per year for 10 years. It is only enough for people that are currently undernourished, not including everyone that already has enough food. http://articles.latimes.com/2008... - Mike Chelen
I think that Mike means $30b a year for 10 years. - Scoble, Alex Scoble
Yup Alex that is right, $300b total, comparable to these infrastructure costs over 10 years of war. - Mike Chelen
I don't think they know, Glen, but I bet that's what the estimators are thinking. Once you build up the infrastructure it should be largely self supporting after 10 years. - Scoble, Alex Scoble
That's the idea, that it would be eventually self-sustaining. - Victor Ganata
Yup, without any additional investment after the 10 year period. - Mike Chelen
Here are some other factors to throw into the mix (which is more aligned with my line of work): The decreasing stocks of phosphate and nitrogen based fertiliser raw materials. The fact China shuts down phosphate production during certain times of the year. Port and sea vessel infrastructure. Local distribution, storage and management. Pesticide and herbicide management. Disease control.... more... - Johnny
Yes, Johnny, much of that, if not all, is valid analysis, but I'd still rather spend $300bn trying this out rather than occupying a foreign country or bailing out Wall Street. Wouldn't you? - Scoble, Alex Scoble from YouFeed
Yes. But I dare say we can't end world hunger without occupying a few counties or bailing out a few companies. Just swap oil for resources - Johnny from iPhone
What, no faith in NGOs and indigenous democratic institutions? The only way to do things is with massive imperialist intervention? So everything happening in the Middle East and North Africa is an illusion? - Victor Ganata from iPhone
Victor. No faith in humanity on a massive scale. NGOs (of which our family support 2) STILL have to do deals with local warlords and corrupt officials. I'm not saying the ONLY way is imperialist intervention but if you want it done in 10 years for $300 billion, you need to change societies. LiveAid was in 1985. You have to change everyone's mind. THAT takes far more and far longer. You... more... - Johnny from iPhone
Of course it's not going to be easy, but I think it's paternalistic to believe that developing nations can't shoulder part of the logistic burden even if they can't handle the financial burden, and that the only way to do it is for developed nations to bring a bunch of bombs and guns and force people there to do things our way. - Victor Ganata from iPhone
And what's happening in Africa and the Middle East is based on lack of employment and food prices... so back to my earlier point. If you raise a person's standard of living, they will expect a higher standard of treatment. Can the world support a large population who isn't governed by fear of starvation? You end poverty by giving people jobs. Are there enough to go around? - Johnny from iPhone
Right, food prices are too *high*, not too low, and the reason there isn't employment is because of the lack of infrastructure, the lack of security, and the lack of robust local government institutions, making it an unfavorable environment for both multinational corporations and indigenous businesses. It's not magic. You can look at how any developed nation's history to see how... more... - Victor Ganata
If your thesis that people who are well-fed don't aspire to better themselves further were true, developed nations would've collapsed a long time ago. - Victor Ganata
My thesis is a poorly-fed person cares little for working conditions when their pay check is their sole source of food... And I would actually agree with your 'industrialized nations' point if both our industrialized nations weren't shipping low paying jobs overseas to virtual slave labor havens. Hard to find wide-spread poverty when it's offshore. - Johnny from iPhone
So we should keep people in developing countries malnourished so that I can buy cheap garbage from Wal-Mart? Is that it? You know, I'd actually be fine with buying more expensive consumer goods if essential goods got cheaper. - Victor Ganata
Glen, we had most of those 500,000 soldiers before the wars and they are, in fact, stretched far too thin with the two occupations that we have going on. The cost of being in those countries far outweighs the cost of keeping those soldiers on the books. No need for us to lay them off. We just shouldn't use them willy-nilly. - Scoble, Alex Scoble
And don't even get me started on how we send them off to war and then don't take care of them when they get back with all manner of physical and psychological injuries. So yeah, in truth, we can't even afford to use them the way we have. - Scoble, Alex Scoble
hang around a rehab center see many sad stories that could be fixed if those in charge really cared - WarLord
And in any case, if these efforts are actually intended to help local populations by building up local infrastructure, then local businesses can establish themselves to serve local markets. The citizens of developing nations need not be entirely dependent on the whims of multinational corporations. If the resultant competition results in multinational corporations having to provide higher wages in order to retain workers to stay productive, well, that's a just price for us to pay. - Victor Ganata
A price for them to pay, you mean. We shouldn't have to pay for that part of the deal at all. #StickItToTheMan #SorryForBeingALittleStupid - Scoble, Alex Scoble
You also tend to forget that new groups of well fed and now afluent people become a market for our exports. It's hardly a zero sum game as much as conagra and Wally World would make us believe - WarLord
I'm sure that Walmart would love a billion more customers. - Scoble, Alex Scoble
I have no illusions that the average multinational corporation will have problems foisting their additional costs on their customers. As long as I'm not required to buy their products, they can do whatever they want. - Victor Ganata
Yeah, that's pretty insightful, Mark, I wish the American people would collectively figure this out and get angry enough about it to actually do something worthwhile, of course, what that should be, I don't really know right now. But "kicking the bums out" doesn't seem to be a workable proposition as that just replaces them with other bums. - Scoble, Alex Scoble
Great thread. - Harold Cabezas
lol - Derrick
Victor Ganata
If you really did a full calculation of your opportunity costs--a comprehensive cost-benefit analysis--maybe you'd realize that the government actually does quite a bit for you.
With a government elected by the people, we are doing it for ourselves. - Mike Chelen
Well, that's the theory, at least. But even with its imperfections, it's still a hell of a lot better than having to dance at the whim of an absolute monarch, with the threat of death for disobedience. - Victor Ganata
Amira
Science publishers don't care about the public. Almost all primary literature is locked behind a pay-wall - http://scienceblogs.com/webeast...
"It isn't open access, though, so apparently the Public is not allowed to read about the Public Understanding of Science unless they cough up $25 per article. They can read about "science" for cheap in their local tabloid, though. Isn't this part of the problem, too? Let's also put part of the blame on a science publishing industry that puts up barriers to reading the real stuff. (...) It's all well and good to talk about public accessibility of science, but how do you expect the public to get engaged when almost all primary literature is locked behind a pay-wall? I have access through my university, but when I want to blog about new research for friends and family, I'm stuck linking to abstracts and then summarizing everything in the paper. (...) That's why I'm cheering for PLoS - everything they publish is open access, the way it should be. It's your taxes that fund the research, you should have access to the results without me or anyone else being a mediator." - Amira from Bookmarklet
Perhaps the publishers of science journals will eventually transition? Revenue has been based on subscriptions for a long time. - Mike Chelen
See also: Mendeley ☞ Papers of researchers from 195 countries & 19,150 universities http://bit.ly/m0lng3 and "The theory of shared matter": http://bit.ly/kqZfMl - Amira
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