Some of the analyses are of very low quality, or simply wrong (mainly from the company that set up this wiki). Nevertheless some consensus appears to emerge, as more experts join in.
- Pawel Szczesny
Cool, Pete - and thanks for leading the crowd once more.
- Daniel Mietchen
Well, not quite (some others beat us to it, including Springer, Elsevier, Mendeley) but we have been wanting to do this for ages. Plus ours is on the full text and fully open.
- Peter Binfield
I meant the "full text and fully open" part.
- Daniel Mietchen
Speaking of PubMed, one of its major limitations is that it does not provide full-text search. PLoS and Mendeley do. So I think it would be useful to have a little app (e.g. a browser plugin) that takes a PubMed search, passes it on to the PLoS/ Mendeley search engines and displays the results in the context of the original PubMed search. Anyone interested in that (e.g. as a warm-up for http://ff.im/FIwlT )?
- Daniel Mietchen
Couple of updates for any of you entering the competition. Nephoscale are offering 10 free cloud servers for entrants using PLoS APIs see: http://blogs.plos.org/plos... And today we upgraded search to also include "search within figure caption" so now you can do cool things with our figures too.
- Peter Binfield
Another word and the forces will abolish all forms of Cilantro on this planet called Earth, message received from Planet Janet
- Janet:#TeamMonique
Message to Planet Janet: you know you love it with cilantro, baby.
- Steven Perez
Now see this is the interesting thing: if anybody posts, then you have to. So if everybody keeps posting, you'll just have to keep up with us. BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
- Curtis (a) Jackson
Debating tip: never try to get in the last word. Always give your opponent the opportunity to get in the last word. By some sort of mysterious karmic law, your persuasiveness will improve immeasurably. :)
- Sean McBride
Steven Perez isn't a Bunneh!!! As long as he doesn't respond.
- Jimminy
It's okay, he's got a Catch-22 now. Steven Perez isn't a Bunneh, so long as he doesn't respond. And we all know he refutes his Bunneh status.
- Jimminy
It was real hawt in the town that night! IF I EDIT 18 hours later like now - is your last still last if comments are disabled? A hawt question.
- Steve Cleary
Steven is a Bunneh!!! He responded when I said he wasn't. Bunneh's can win if they want.
- Jimminy
Take the ferrets out of your pants, James.
- Steven Perez
from IM
fine with me. take the last word. take it and shove it up Brett Favre's ass.
- Morgan
I don't shove ANYTHING up a former or current cheesehead's posterior, thankyouverymuch.
- Steven Perez
from IM
I'llsickthemonyoulikeIdidwithAmber,that'safunstory.
- Tsali - A dude man
from IM
You did see where I said that I like my food scared and running, yeah? Mmmmm, ferret-ka-bobs ...
- Steven Perez
from IM
I do indeed see where this is headed, and no sir, I don't like it. *calls upon the forces of Voltron
- Tsali - A dude man
from IM
Sadly, the only Voltron to heed your call is the vehicle Voltron. And I disabled that yo-yo by pulling out the sparks plugs in the car feet.
- Steven Perez
from IM
It's an old Navajo word for "punk-ass bitch".
- Steven Perez
from IM
No one has the slightest idea how much Steven is enjoying this...
- Abhishek
very busy very busy very busy very busy very busy very busy very busy very busy very busy very busy very busy very busy very busy very busy very busy
- Steven Perez
from IM
VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY
- Steven Perez
from IM
hmm... 800+ comments on this thread, and this is my first, and probably last comment on this thread. I wonder should I read all the comments, or just post?
- Mike Nencetti
Are you guys still trying to win?
- Steven Perez
from IM
23 years from now, Steven will still check his MSGoogle MyFriendFace feed every morning so he can respond to this post with 3,137,783 comments...
- OMG 404 Joe
from iPod
After half a month there must have been moment you thought it would not be a real big deal if you eventually should NOT have the last word, I suppose?
- Ruud van Wijngaarden
Ohhh, you mean that place, which is totally faked by a #viciousbunneh who was in cahoots with the government in taking all the alfalfa plants into an underground hidden bunker.
- Tsali - A dude man
Now that I have achieved status of half-centurian, I request the next 50 days of last word in honor of my achievement of breathing.
- Janet:#TeamMonique
Well, well, well. Has it been 50 days already?
- Steven Perez
I will allow you to have the last word. But to take that last word you are surrendering your honor to a den of sightless whores.
- ‘-.-’ Tutivillus Grift
Eventually, the whole thread will go backwards to the beginning.
- WoH: Professor MOTHRA
That sounds like more fun than I imagine you wanted it to.
- Steven Perez
from IM
It was a test. Honor is pride. A den of sightless whores is merely an event that you will carry forever. You have attained the 7th level of enlightenment.
- ‘-.-’ Tutivillus Grift
1203 comments, come on, you can do better than that.
- Tsali - A dude man
Considering that this thread has only been around since August, and has been shut down for the last two months, that's not too bad.
- Steven Perez
from IM
2012 is just the begining of the 13th Baktun, the long cont calendar doesn't actually run out until sometimes after 4772, that is of course if you stick with only Baktuns and don't use the other 4 higher counts, I just think FF will end in 4217 on planet Tersanzar :)
- Tsali - A dude man
Ah, right thread. In that thread, it's asked what you think you smell like. In this thread, I told you what I think you smell like.
- Steven Perez
from IM
Cilantro, Strawberries, and Chilaquiles.
- Steven Perez
I think this has lasted long enough. We already know what has to be the last word, it's already in the original quote. I will put it as the closing comment. I think we will all feel relieved we can now carry on to do greater things. For ourselves, our loved ones and the world.
- Ruud van Wijngaarden
I dunno, the Akiva nipple-licking beach picture is pretty long, too. :-) Ah, and it looks like Mike Nayyar's last-word thread has more than 2200 comments in it. I guess we'll have to step it up over here, huh?
- Ordinarybug Heather
omg...that is a seriously long thread of comments....are you going for a record Steven?...didn't even open up so I wouldn't lose my page.
- ᏓᏰ #team Monique
The RDFa looks good! Had the best luck using the GetN3 addon. If search results had similar markup, then RDFa could supply all the needed API features.
- Mike Chelen
Peter: How exciting to hear! Look forward to learning the details as they are announced. Any idea when release date or documentation will be available?
- Mike Chelen
""Everybody is out of their minds," said Lt. Terry Colson (David Morse) in last night's second-season premiere of "Treme." That's not a bad way to sum up David Simon's gumbo-pot drama -- and it's less an apology than a simple observation. In the run up to the HBO series' 2010 premiere, much of the coverage focused on how "Treme" was similar to or different from Simon's previous show, "The Wire." But the biggest difference didn't really snap into focus until the final stretch of season one: "Treme" might be the first major American TV series that's mainly about how trauma messes with people's heads, and how hard it is to recover from it."
- Derrick
from Bookmarklet
Yay for Jon Seda, another great actor from Homicide, with Melissa Leo.
- Mike Chelen
Simon has his favorite actors doesn't he? I keep hoping Andre Braugher shows up.
- Gunnyman™
When are we going to, as a country, stop pretending that there’s a level of empirical proof that will satisfy the conspiracy-seekers amongst us? - http://x0.tumblr.com/post...
Who ever heard of a bibliography format that doesn't include author names? If there are too many to fit, the editor or primary author should still be noted.
- Mike Chelen
What Egon mean was that it was a disrespect to online science in general, not just bloggers. The tweet above was my verison edited for space. Egon, have you considered, maybe, perhaps, shortening your twitter handle by about 10 characters? ;-)
- Mr. Gunn
Yeah, I have thought of that :) my 'normal' egonw was already taken :(
- Egon Willighagen
But just to make clear... a blog post would be a Link/URL ... so no blogger author name...
- Egon Willighagen
Yes, that's a problem for metadata/semantic web to solve, right?
- Mr. Gunn
These guidelines look outdated as opposed to intentionally noninclusive. Their example of a link citation (The Mouse Tumor Biology Database [http://tumor.informatics.jax.org/mtbwi...]) points to an entire website. In the old days a team might be responsible for a website without clear authorship of a single part. Today however there are often clearly marked authors for individual...
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- Mike Chelen
I'm fairly sure that if you were to cite as follows -- Willighagen, E. Handbook of Chemoinformatics Algorithms [http://chem-bla-ics.blogspot.com/2010...] -- it would be perfectly acceptable. But the larger point is well taken, that there should be clearer guidelines on citing web resources, including blogs (imo, the WebCite service and format (http://www.webcitation.org/) should always be used). I'll pass this thread on to folks at BMC.
- Bill Hooker
Yeah, need to do that too... the least it does is cause a lot of confusion with reviewers and editors... I have been asked to remove author names for such uses...
- Egon Willighagen
Response from Iain Hrynaszkiewicz -- (1) the guidelines aren't meant to indicate that you cannot include names in citing web resources, just that you don't have to cite a name if there isn't a relevant one to go with the resouce in question; and (2) the instructions will be reviewed to avoid further confusion and meet changing needs of authors online
- Bill Hooker
Nice update, thanks for letting us all know! Now authors and blog publishers should work on providing an immutable reference for web pages, such as DOI or URI.
- Mike Chelen
I checked out Webcite after Bill's recommendation, since an author contacted me about referring to one of my blog posts in a paper they're writing. Unfortunately, the post contains an embedded Google spreadsheet, which can't be archived. The link to the spreadsheet would still be there I suppose but, all in all, it's pretty ugly. But more useful than just putting the link in the bibliography? Any other options? The Webcite link: http://www.webcitation.org/5yJhkFu...
- Jason Snyder
It should be possible to export the Google Spreadsheet to file, and upload it as long as attachments are allowed.
- Mike Chelen
"This tutorial covers Ubuntu Enterprise Cloud installation from the Ubuntu 10.04 Server Edition CD, and assumes a basic network topology, with a single system serving as the "all-in-one controller", and one or more nodes attached."
- Mike Chelen
from Bookmarklet
It uses Eucalyptus which supports the Amazon EC2 API. Haven't tried these install steps yet though.
- Mike Chelen
Justice Department press release: http://www.justice.gov/usao... -- "The FBI announced the unsealing of an Indictment today charging eleven defendants, including the founders of the three largest Internet poker companies doing business in the United States - PokerStars, Full Tilt Poker, and Absolute Poker (the "Poker Companies")- with bank fraud, money laundering, and illegal gambling offenses. "
- Stephen Mack #TeamMomo
If I were President, I'd go about this the opposite way: I'd legalize these sites and tax the heck out of 'em.
- Stephen Mack #TeamMomo
I think it would be a bit hard to tax, considering operations are outside the US.
- Jimminy
Mebbe, but better that than this. I don't play poker online personally, but I don't believe it should be illegal.
- Stephen Mack #TeamMomo
Sure, legalize gambling, but I'm not so sanguine about legalizing bank fraud and money laundering.
- Victor Ganata
Innocent until proven guilty on the bank fraud and money laundering, though.
- Stephen Mack #TeamMomo
True, but my point is that they may be guilty of more than just breaking anti-gambling laws. And I don't think anyone can dispute that casinos in general--whether online or brick-and-mortar--can quite easily facilitate either of those offenses.
- Victor Ganata
Victor, but how often is it the casino intentionally laundering, to continue doing business.
- Jimminy
The only ones we ever know about are the ones the IRS and the FBI have managed to indict and get a conviction, Jimminy :D
- Victor Ganata
True. I would assume that they wouldn't really need to though. Of course, that was the main plot to Rush Hour 2. :D
- Jimminy
Half the reason to legalize the gambling itself is to hopefully prevent the more serious crimes.
- Mike Chelen
True, the gambling industry in the state of Nevada is regulated up the wazoo to prevent laundering and bank fraud. But I suspect the reason why people went to the Internet in the first place was because they didn't want to be regulated.
- Victor Ganata
Casinos are still very profitable, even when operating legally and paying taxes. If the decision is between constant threat of shutdown or paying some fees, most businesses would choose to keep operating if they can.
- Mike Chelen
Internet gambling -- now legal in the District, in addition to Nevada.
- Julian
It isn't just the taxes, there are all sorts of regulations and procedures that casinos and their employees have to abide by and perform, but, you're right, if anything, adhering strictly to these regulations and procedures will limit the liability of a casino should someone try to use them to launder money.
- Victor Ganata
Poker isn't gambling. It's a game of skill, not chance.
- Otto
Poker involves chance, but the outcome is not random. Also the pot goes to other players instead of the casino, except for the rake.
- Mike Chelen
Alex, yes. But you assume I claim mileage on my tax returns. And you didn't mention anything about taxes in the initial post.
- Rochelle
I don't think that anyone in my family received subsidies when they drove the hearse to the cemeteries.
- Katy S
Alex is saying that since roads are paid for by the government, they're a universal subsidy (which I agree with in a sense)
- Kevin L
Around here even the little guys are getting sales tax forgiven, real estate taxes frozen or reduced, cheap or free land, the list is almost endless Nothing ever about paying the employees those taxpayers a decent wage, of course, because THAT would be interfering with the sacred free market
- WarLord
Warlord - my parents get none of those things. There's a lot of animosity between small local businesses and larger businesses around here for that reason.
- Katy S
Kevin - but is it really a subsidy if you're paying for it through fuel taxes?
- Katy S
Yeah Katy, its the whole give Walmart a big payday so they'll locare a store 'here' that destroys all your long time businesses and suck the life out of your downtown - but local city councils and county boards seem willing to play along over and over again #theyneverlearn
- WarLord
WTF are you talking about moving of the goal posts? I clearly defined what the OP was about. The point is, that when you think about it, it's very difficult, if not impossible, to think of a business that doesn't exist through the workings of government in some way.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
Even if you don't take the deduction, you aren't paying what it costs to actually use those roads that you drive every day, and nor is a business paying for the roads that their employees use every day. Do any business on the internet? That largely exists because of government programs and subsidies. I could go on.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
Yet we have many businesses that clearly could not exist as they are without government help like GE that pay no taxes or very little in the way of taxes.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
Yeah, it's almost like the government forces its way into every aspect of our lives whether we want it to or not.
- Alex Scrivener
I sense that "almost like" is similar to "if only" in indicating sarcasm.
- Tinfoil 2.0
In that it is how I began a sentence? Yes.
- Alex Scrivener
It's interesting because so many people and businesses that depend on all this infrastructure refuse to pay for it. Google is another great example.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
Considering how low the tax rates are for payroll and capital gains, your argument isn't exactly holding water. If it costs 10 cents out of every dollar to pay for a bit of infrastructure and a company and its employees are only paying 8 cents, you can imagine what that does to society over time and from what I'm seeing this is pretty much the situation we are in.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
I'm not convinced you can run a business without some form of rule of law. What are you supposed to do if property rights and contracts can't be enforced?
- Victor Ganata
Then aren't you starting up your own government?
- Victor Ganata
Exactly...and guess what that does to your bottom line.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
I guarantee that it's a lot more expensive for you to provide security for your business than it is for the government to do it. Economies of scale.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
Infrastructure isn't a subsidy, it's a service provided by the government through taxation that could be provided by the private sector, through usage or service costs. A subsidy is a government/budgeted pecuniary handout to keep an industry fungible that would go bankrupt/stop being active unless it received such funds. Infrastructure Ie electricity, roads (tolls) could be provided by the private sector but are rather monopolized by the gov't.
- sofarsoShawn
But yeah, every thing is a double edged sword. Both centralized and decentralized control and planning have their strengths and weaknesses, but I think you need both for a society to thrive...finding the balance? That's the tricky part.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
If government subsidizes a part of infrastructure and you use that infrastructure, you are being subsidized.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
You do know the government is spending citizen's money, right?
- Johnny
Everyone who uses gas is getting a subsidy from the US government because they keep gas prices artificially low compared to the rest of the world. Everyone who uses electricity in this country is being subsidized because without government just about no plants would be built.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
Yes, but which citizens and is the use of a part of infrastructure equated out to what an entity (person or business) uses?
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
Electricity is hardly monopolized by the government in the U.S., although they do grant monopolies to private companies, because otherwise it wouldn't be economically viable to provide the service.
- Victor Ganata
There's a lot of unfairness in how taxpayers pay for things and how corporations use those things and then don't pay taxes.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
A corporation cannot pay taxes. It can only serve as a convenient collection point for taxes on employees, customers, and owners.
- Alex Scrivener
I'm sure that we would agree that corporations should not be legal entities unto themselves, but unfortunately, in the US, as current law is written and interpreted by the courts, corporations are entities with rights similar to individuals. As such they pay taxes.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
I would argue that changed the moment they declared corporations had the same rights as people.
- Victor Ganata
Don't pay taxes? Overtly simplistic view. Corporations pay a large bulk of 'taxes' and 'subsidies' by the volume of goods sent through the US Postal System, US Customs, sales taxes etc. GM may not pay a lot of 'upfront' tax but they do employee a lot of people who pay tax, they sell a lot of cars which attract sales tax etc. Simple equation, take the top corporations out of the picture...
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- Johnny
I said GE in my example. They've paid Zero taxes for like the last 3 years while showing profits.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
we actually have the worst of both worlds A corporate veil that protects the humans from all regulations and laws with the business entity itself now a person with all those rights
- WarLord
Do corps pay taxes *because* they are legal entities with some of the rights of human persons? If corps weren't treated as 'persons' and couldn't speak to the government with money, would you be OK with corps paying no taxes?
- Tinfoil 2.0
Electricity is directly monopolized state by state, some granting monopolies, others allowing competition. The question depends on the state & gov't in power. But the decision, lies directly with them. By the right mentioned of them able to grant monopolies or competition is exactly the question at issue. Whether it costs the consumer more is not.
- sofarsoShawn
I don't know, LogEx, probably not, because I can't see companies raising pay so that individuals could pay for all the stuff that corporations now pay for.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
With a corporate tax, either the employees pay, because the firm can't afford as many of them; the customers pay, because the firm has to raise their prices to cover the taxes; or the shareholders pay because profits are lower and the company is worth less. If you want to tax those groups, fine. Do it. But hiding the taxes in a "corporate tax" is a trick of politics.
- Alex Scrivener
I'm only commenting in this thread to recognize the gentleman who used the word fungible. PROPS.
- Micah
from FFHound(roid)!
I have one... "Las Vegas". I dare say the amount of taxes those companies pay, and all the subsequent taxes that the smaller corporations who service them pay AND all the employees' taxes AND the gambling winnings those who win have to declare on their tax return AND all the tourists that they attract would be fair higher and pay for far more of the infrastructure than the residents of Las Vegas. *taps the fuck out*
- Johnny
Las Vegas wouldn't exist without the transportation networks built and paid for by taxpayers as well as water delivery systems that, if our water usage system was rational, would be much more expensive than they are today. Huge subsidies there.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
Yes, but who pays the bulk of that in taxes, the citizens or the corporations?
- Johnny
I'd wager that the citizens do. That infrastructure is very expensive, even when you take in to account all the money that casinos make. Although they are making a lot less at the moment.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
And I say you'd be wrong. Volume, Alex, volume. Corporations pay 'less' tax but compared to the average worker, they pay a larger share.
- Johnny
Cristo, but there is still Federal taxes.
- Johnny
And in the GE case, zero % of 1 billion dollars is still zero.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
So Alex, it's about being self-sufficient. If I pay large sum (but lower percentage) of taxes AND my business draws in even more taxes so in fact the 'subsidies' my business receives is less than the taxes I pay, I don't receive subsidies. I am, in fact, subsidizing the citizens.
- Johnny
Johnny, how is 0% of anything a large sum?
- Victor Ganata
Do GE buy fleet cars? Import raw materials? Purchase local food stuffs, buy stationary? Do they pay taxes in the day-to-day running of their business?
- Johnny
Considering the businesses that GE is in (most are selling goods and services to the government) they are a prime example of what I'm talking about. Doesn't matter how much they pay in taxes, really, because it's all self serving. Money goes out and comes right back in.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
So, if I'm reading you right Alex, is no company, anywhere, operates without a subsidy, anywhere in the world. Cuase the second a citizen puts a dollar in the kitty, even if that kitty is $1,000,001, they have ink on them?
- Johnny
My point is that corporations can't exist without the infrastructure that we build via the government and as such they owe it to taxpayers to pay their fair share of taxes and that many corporations are clearly not paying their fair share of taxes, either directly or indirectly.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
You want game, set, and match? The top 10 largest banks as a perfect example.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
Why use the term "subsidy" to refer to public infrastructure?
- Mike Chelen
If you are a corp or a citixen and you pay "zero" taxes, the public infrastructure is a gift, a subsidy to your business and pleasure
- WarLord
"Internet gamers were frustrated last week when Sony shut down its PlayStation Network. Now, they might have reason to be worried. On Monday, the Japanese electronics giant said it is keeping its PlayStation Network videogame service offline indefinitely following a hacking attack it now says may have compromised user’s information. To ensure the network’s integrity, Sony said it is currently rebuilding the service, which connects more than 75 million PlayStation customers over the Internet, letting them play videogames and chat together. “This is a time intensive process and we’re working to get them back online quickly,” Sony spokesman Patrick Seybold said in a blog post."
- Bluesun 2600
from Bookmarklet
Apparently it DOESN'T affect Netflix. Someone was saying eventually after the failed PSN logins it will just go to Netflix anyway. Might have to try that when I'm done with work.
- Jonathan Hardesty
@Jonathan: I've had mixed results with that. On Saturday Netflix worked just fine, on Sunday I couldn't sign in
- LANjackal
Incredibly bad security in PSN authentication and payment processing D:
- Mike Chelen
"If you're arrested while carrying a mobile phone on your person, police are free to rifle through your text messages, images, and any other files stored locally on your phone. Any incriminating evidence found on your phone can be used against you in court. On the other hand, if you are arrested with a mobile phone in your possession but not immediately associated with your person, police may not search your phone without a warrant once you've been taken into custody and your phone is under police control."
- LANjackal
from Bookmarklet
If the phone is turned off they can't do this, though, can they?
- WoH: Professor MOTHRA
Best to password-protect, turn off, and lock the phone in the glove box if stopped. Also, remember to say "I do not consent to a search" at appropriate times.
- Tinfoil 2.0
Any files on the device that are unencrypted are capable of being read. Usually few programs such as password managers actually encrypt their files, though some phone OS such as Blackberry do support system-wide file encryption.
- Mike Chelen
"Wal-Mart Stores Inc has begun testing an online grocery delivery service in San Jose, California, a company spokesman said on Saturday. The world's biggest retailer had been rumored to be considering dipping its toe into online grocery delivery for the past few years. The "Walmart To Go" test allows customers to visit Walmart.com to order groceries and consumables found in a Walmart store and have them delivered to their homes, the spokesman said."
- LANjackal
from Bookmarklet
The Walmart stores up here no longer have the star between 'Wal' and 'Mart'.
- Akiva
There is grocery delivery from Safeway and Giant (Peapod) in my area. It can be convenient and worthwhile depending on the customer. For example working parents with little free time, urban or rural people without cars, and businesses.
- Mike Chelen
It wouldnt look/feel the same without 'the star'. Certainly I will miss it.
- MohanArun
This is pretty cool, but even with 60,000 incidents, that still doesn't prove that those UFO sightings were actual aliens visiting the earth. I believe in UFOs. I'm still not convinced any of those UFOs have been actual aliens.
- Jesse Stay
Collecting information should serve to provide a more thorough explanation / debunking in many cases :)
- Mike Chelen
One of the things we want the Open Research Computation journal to do is bring more of the transparency and open critique that characterises the best Open Source Software development processes into the scholarly peer review process. But you can talk about changing the way peer review works and you can actively do something about. Michael Barton and Hazel Barton have taken matters into their own hands and thrown the doors completely open. They have submitted a paper to ORC and in parallel asked the community on the BioStar site how the paper and software could be improved.
- Cameron Neylon
"By not restricting commentary to a small number of people we stand a better chance of getting all the appropriate points of view represented." - best practise IMHO for the journal's topic. As you may of course know, the method of parallel open and closed peer reviewing is being practised by Atmospheric Chemistry and Physics, ACP (has been since about 2003)...
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- Claudia Koltzenburg
Yes, I should have mentioned ACP as an example of a similar thing...
- Cameron Neylon
We opened up our writing process and invited comments for our PZQ paper (http://openwetware.org/wiki...) but recently went to a closed Word version just to get it actually ready for submission... Don't think many journals will accept a web page draft as a submission? (Discuss, 25 marks)
- Matthew Todd
well, Matthew, why not finalise the draft in the open? and actually I think journals should be made to accept *especially* submissions that were drafted (and maybe also finalised) in the open :-) honestly, I see no reason why e.g. our journal (CTT) should not accept any open science articles... I am waiting for our author teams to take exactly this step (or any other pro-open-science ones) for that matter
- Claudia Koltzenburg
It's mainly because the switch to Word is to get things ready for submission, and we weren't expecting any big changes in the process (which didn't turn out to be quite right, actually), and the things we were attending to were mainly cosmetic. But it was assembled on OWW for quite a while first.
- Matthew Todd
Word document in a public dropbox folder is a stopgap for this stage of the process. Also avoids the horrendous email attachment debacle that inevitably ensues...
- Cameron Neylon
maybe actually we need a kind of http://www.sherpa.ac.uk/romeo/ (but interactive & open) to make visible how the traditional cramps/cranks (?) are crumbling in journal policies and how/where open science habits among authors are more and more accepted on the publisher side (plus: the better the authors who go open and refuse submitting anything in formats like eh .doc... just imagine how we could speed up the process to go open everything on the scientific web :-)
- Claudia Koltzenburg
Was the need for Word based on better formatting capabilities? Maybe Google Docs would provide more features while keeping the document online.
- Mike Chelen
There's a great desktop/cloud notebook app to be written using git as a back end. Anybody got into the guts of this and seen what is different if anything under the hood?
- Cameron Neylon
from twhirl
I know that the Mercurial vs. Git debate seems to have been won by git in the Open Science community, but if you want a saner life you should look at http://hatta-wiki.org/ (Also see http://www.mzlinux.org/node... for a list of Mercurial/Git backed wiki engines.) True nerds should consider an Emacs Org mode backed blog or wiki http://orgmode.org/worg... which can also be combined with revision control.
- Matt Leifer
Just thought about an Emacs org-mode + git solution, too. Especially as it can include executable code snippets via Babel: http://orgmode.org/worg... (at the bottom of this page you can find a description how this can be used for reproducible research).
- Konrad Förstner
The server software used for display must be available for the content to be truly portable. Would be happy to see even if only basic features were available so far.
- Mike Chelen
Hatta looks good, wonder how difficult it is to get set up?
- Mike Chelen
Ended up using Github's Git-backed wikis https://github.com/blog.... Now if only there were a way to allow comments similar to blog posts...
- Mike Chelen
The titles of this year’s projects: DATA MANAGEMENT: Best practices of data management for public participation in science and research DATA MANAGEMENT: Online learning modules related to best practices throughout the data lifecycle EDUCATION: Accessing and analyzing environmental data in the classroom SOCIOLOGY OF SCIENCE: Understanding how scientists analyze data DATA SCIENCE: How...
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- Heather Piwowar
open to all undergraduate students, graduate students, and postgraduates who have received their masters or doctorate within the past five years
- Heather Piwowar
This looks very cool. I fit into that demographic :) Time to investigate further me thinks.
- science3point0
w00t! Come on over, open science community! That would be awesome.
- Heather Piwowar
That would make me slightly not eligible :-(
- Cameron Neylon
Like Cameron, I am just a little past my use-by date according to these criteria.
- Bill Hooker
There is interest in a similar opportunity for non-recent students/graduates? Tell me more. What draws you? Well-defined projects? Duration? Remote-friendly? Stipend? Stipend is obviously the most difficult part... is it a key part of the appeal?
- Heather Piwowar
I actually think this could make a really fun sabbatical of some sort. Focussed project, defined time, great people. But the money is the hard bit basically - but if it were fundable would definitely be interested.
- Cameron Neylon
Cameron's idea of a sabbatical is great. (I was just pie-in-the-skying, since I'm out of academia and business typically doesn't do sabbaticals.) As mentioned, pay at that level is the biggest hurdle.
- Bill Hooker
Sounds cool to me too, but like others I'm past that eligibility date.
- Brian Westra
I think that the "5 years post-degree" requirement is an artefact of a different time in science. In terms of opportunity to win grants and set up a lab, you can still be a "young investigator" well into your 40s now (e.g. average age of first NIH RO1 = 40-something). The idea, I think, is to set a cutoff past which one might reasonably be expected to have made a go of it, and to...
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- Bill Hooker
This is why I love Friendfeed. Without it, someone gets the email and says to themselves, "Heh, I wish that applied to me." With it, we learn there is unmet interest and the opportunity to do something really cool.
- Heather Piwowar
Heather +, just bring your mail authors here, then :-)
- Claudia Koltzenburg
I'm looking into what we can do within DataONE, now or for the future. Worth keeping this synced-sabbatical model in mind for other Open proposals, too.... think what we could pull off in a month or two of combined effort!
- Heather Piwowar
These are all important factors, "Well-defined projects? Duration? Remote-friendly? Stipend?". Also the chances of publication, and the reputation of the researchers and organization. How about an option for applicants to choose whether they need a stipend or not? Then try and include as many stipend and non-stipend participants as possible. While a stipend would be great, still it might be fun to be involved for all the other reasons listed.
- Mike Chelen
See http://plagiarism.org I think it only links to two commercial software packages. I remember there was a free web service in the medical area, but can't find it back.
- joergkurtwegner
Thanks, but my comment above was actually not meant to refer to plagiarism alone - I think such a mapping could well be helpful if the sources are cited as well (and that may actually be easier to implement).
- Daniel Mietchen
The visualization style is great, now where does the source data come from? There might be open source language processing libraries that can perform the text matching. Is there an appropriate corpus to compare with the work?
- Mike Chelen
Most of the code is on the bottom of the page. The source data is compiled by the wiki community there. Dunno what kind of comparative corpus you are after. Update: docu of source code at http://pastebin.com/Jph149xd .
- Daniel Mietchen
It looks like the code works with Wikia.com? It runs against de.gutenplag.wikia.com
- Mike Chelen
I'm fine with any web format accepted for submission by a scientific journal (possibly even blogs using http://en.support.wordpress.com/latex... or similar). There is a list of wiki-based journals at http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki... , so I am mainly after non-wiki journals in this thread (and not after PLoS Currents either, which has many similarities with wikis).
- Daniel Mietchen
Let's use EPUB, please! Web native (HTML+CSS zipped with metadata) -- but also easy to grab for offline use. Reflowable. Supported by several major mobile devices and software packages.
- Jodi Schneider
Re "Let's use EPUB": How do you *get* to ePub from a common writing tool...without adding new software costs to your current situation? (A real question: So far, my attempts--using CALIBRE--have resulted in really crappy ePub. And neither OpenOffice nor Word has ever heard of ePub as an output format.)
- Walt Crawford
Mike: Thanks...although, AFAIK, getting to fully-formatted XHTML from Word or OO is also non-trivial. I must be missing something (probably true)...
- Walt Crawford
Walt: What happens when converting to ePub from OO HTML file? It seems to be XHTML compliant and loads ok in eCub. Alternatively plain text could be used as the source format.
- Mike Chelen
Mike: Actually, the problem with OO is that it does a truly crappy job of importing style-based Word documents, basically throwing away most formatting. The "alternative" answer is saying "don't do formatting."
- Walt Crawford
I apologize for the threadjack. Maybe many/most articles shouldn't be formatted anyway. I'm dealing with non-scientific book-length items, and losing all the formatting in order to do ePub doesn't work. But that's irrelevant to Daniel's original question. Sorry.
- Walt Crawford
Sorry, I missed this discussion back in August. Not a journal, but ArXiv allows manuscript submissions in HTML: http://arxiv.org/help...
- Martin Fenner
SIGIL is another good tool for creating ePub documents. Apples answer to Word, Pages, can save in ePub format.
- Jan Jensen
Since epub keeps coming up in such discussions, does anyone have a pointer to a good analysis of its strengths, weaknesses, alternatives? As far as I can tell, it seems to work fine for novels and such, but if you want to use it to publish data-intensive papers with lots of tables, figures and equations, it is much less useful.
- Daniel Mietchen
ePub is basically XHTML package with the CSS and image files into a .zip archive. So it looks as good (or bad) as the XHTML. An example ePub from the PLoS Comp Biol paper for the Beyond the PDF workshop is here: http://blogs.xartrials.org/mfenner... Needs a lot more work, particulalrly with references and tables, but looks very readable to me.
- Martin Fenner
Walt: Are the Word files in an XML based format such as DOCX? Maybe there is a better tool than Open Office to do the conversion to HTML, or directly to EPUB, since they should all support CSS ok.
- Mike Chelen
Followup: The newest version of LibreOffice does a better job of importing Word documents. I might try an ePub output one of these days. But, Mike, "maybe there is a better tool" begs the question: For ePub to succeed more broadly, us poverty-stricken writers can't be told to go buy more tools.
- Walt Crawford
Walt: Hopefully a conversion between XML based formats should be more practical. Then a variety of tools can include such a feature, hopefully including free and open source utilities. Great to hear about LibreOffice, will have to checkout ePub support again.
- Mike Chelen
Word2010 *is* XML-based (as was Word2007), that is, .docx.
- Walt Crawford
"Today we got the best look yet at Google's anti-iPad, the Android 3.0 Honeycomb tablet OS. Though much has been shared previously, it's finally clear what Google is doing to differentiate its tablets from the iPad — and what Google thinks works so well on Apple's platform that they're borrowing it for themselves."
- LANjackal
from Bookmarklet
Apple is still probably ahead in UI and hardware, but these tablets may be very popular with new users who might not afford Apple's premium sticker price.
- Mike Chelen
^ Not true. Prices for iPad are far from premium at the moment ($499 for basic iPad), Android-based tablets can't beat that yet, unless they start a price war with Apple (and they can't do that either, because it might lead to negative margin and other neat consequences).
- Тепло и пушисто
Actually, not all of them overpriced — Moto is coming to realization of price drops that are necessary to compete with Apple (and thus considers the price tag for Xoom around 5 hundred bucks in big retail outlets). As for overpriced, there was a torrent of stories about costs and supply chain of both Apple and others (mostly Samsung/Motorola), here's the one from NYT:...
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- Тепло и пушисто
$500 is still a reasonable amount more than the ~$250 netbooks which support more software and include full keyboards.
- Mike Chelen
There's no netbook comparable to Xoom's Tegra chipset or 1280 x 800 screen resolution and 10 hrs battery. You get either "long battery+low power" or "fair power+average battery", and when you find one that's both, then it isn't $250 notebook already. I don't say there's no way to cut the price (Apple has always taken a premium niche, be it Mac, iPod or iPhone, so iPad for $499 means...
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- Тепло и пушисто
Um, you wouldn't be far from the truth ie those who supposed to be developing the UI/in charge etc...*shrugs* ~ whatevs...we survive, we thrive, we aren't embittered, we carry on! (I should add IMO :)
- sofarsoShawn
I'd be upset if I didn't know also know where the secret stash of Friendfeed is hidden ;)
- chrisofspades
I think, that's what you were getting at with your Q, that's what I believe most people imply (the admin) when it comes to down to the fundamentals of FF, though it can all be answered with one simple url -> http://www.isfriendfeeddeadyet.com/
- sofarsoShawn
Development has indeed halted on the Friendfeed server software. Other platforms are catching up, but none are quite as good yet. The site itself seems to be running fine, although some features such as search are partially partially operational at best.
- Mike Chelen
I feel it is mostly dead. Making sure to get onto FF now feels like a chore to me. I need to do a better job of seeing who's on Twitter, etc. so that I don't lose the people.
- In Search of Gender
Scott: My perspective is totally the reverse, it is fun and comfortable to be on FF. It is more difficult to justify spending all my time here though, when development has stalled.
- Mike Chelen
FriendFeed is NOT dead... Well, only when twitter is not down anyways.
- Outsanity
Amplify: has removed the blogging feature all together, so I'll have to redirect my links elsewhere. What a odd and frustrating move!
- Kol Tregaskes
Cliqset: closed down as they didn't promote the service as a place to hang out. Feature-rich and in places better than FriendFeed but didn't have anyone using it.
- Kol Tregaskes
Pip.io talked the talk but didn't walk the walk. The new version wasn't a great leap forward and certainly certain features we thought were coming didn''t.
- Kol Tregaskes
Like we've been discussing for a long time we really need a place where we can distribute are content from our own hosted area on the net.
- Kol Tregaskes
That is always the weakness of centralised system: they can change it what ever way they want to focus on needs that dont match yours. All the work and content you put in vanishes down a black hole (cant imagine how I would get out of FF stuff I wrote a year ago, for example). There are quite a few self hosted options you can set up, and of course there was wave which was trying to go...
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- Iphigenie
Thank you, I've bookmarked them for later too. :-) There was another project that got a lot of headlines, I can't remember the name but it looked ideal. Hmmm...
- Kol Tregaskes
Which of those have really caught your eye?
- Kol Tregaskes
What do you mean? I can still write a post with their bookmarklet/Fx ext or was their another feature? I just started using it yesterday
- sofarsoShawn
from FreshFeed
Has anyone looked at Friendika? http://portal.friendika.com/ I don't know if it's *the* one, but it has the features I think are best for users (users are the customers, not the product): open-source, distributed, privacy-friendly, self-hosted, etc.
- Tinfoil 2.0
Pip.io demonstrated that you can't have a company run solely by developers. They launched too early. Pip.io had the chance to overtake Twitter and possibly even Facebook but they got overly excited and released too soon not understanding that once the public has assessed you, it's nearly impossible to get them to give you another chance. Regardless of how great their ideas and efforts...
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- Akiva
Never had a problem with that in Chrome myself.
- Akiva
I just tried out it's auto posting features with a video import, which looks brilliant, but nope, it's frustratingly faulty at each connection their were posting errors or something was missing. FF still works much better
- sofarsoShawn
Where do Twitter and Facebook fit in? There are RSS import options for both, and Twitter recently added multimedia embed support.
- Mike Chelen
Shawn, which service are you talking about? Amplify? Thanks for the add btw. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Yup amplify, when auto posting, it will update your soc net with the link to amplify of your content, not the actual content: this happens with Twitter which I way more heavily it updated it with: something something sofarsoShawn amplifyed some biznatch <link>, posterous, Buzz, tumblr, and I haven't even checked out the others
- sofarsoShawn
@akiva, I left Pip.io and is now working at Twitter. You're very right about what happened to Pip.io, I got pushed to release things that weren't ready or polished for mass consumption. But I've definitely learned a ton about how to build a site where the users are heavily interactive with each other and I'm working on something new. Pretty much distilling that idea, ripping out the...
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- David Robit Chen
holy crap, cliqset closed down? I didn't even know (guess that's an indicator), I was routing for them, loved how they were using bleeding edge technology
- Mitchell McKenna
What technology did Cliqset use that was so advanced? Their web site seemed fine but I didn't notice any special usage of the latest web technologies.
- Mike Chelen
just participated in my first twitter chat -- it was exhausting. I would've like a g-wave type interface -- cannot construct "participation trees" in my head so fast:-(
Try a client such as Tweetdeck or Seesmic. If only Twitter's website supported threaded the comments or realtime updates like some other sites *cough* Friendfeed *cough*
- Mike Chelen
Yep, Cadmus is also a good online tool that threads convos from here as well as Twitter that you can use.
- Zu from AOD