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Share Stuff on Facebook With a More Social Twist - http://mashable.com/2009...
tomit, Alex Knight, Mike and Ali Karakaya liked this
No matter how nice sharein looks it is yet again another bookmarklet. Not enough to make me go back and spend more time on FB.
- lelapin
How to backup and search your friends' tweets in Google Reader: http://www.readwriteweb.com/archive... Good stuff.
Matt Robson, Jenna Bilotta, Mike and Chris Loft liked this
Heading into #sessj now. Just let you know, my hair's a little... different. I lost a bet with some other Googlers. :)
Alisha Wright, Louis Gray, Mike and Adam Singer liked this
please let it be google shaved into the back
- Paul Ogle
It did start out as a Chrome logo into the back. Then it went even further.
- Matt Cutts
Pics or it didn't happen
- Ionut
Yeah, pics please!
- Kevin Mohr
I've decided to break my embargo on FriendFeed. I am due with baby #1 and s/he will join us in June. :)
J. Abdul-Qahhar, Jay, Mike Fruchter and 102 other people liked this
OMG Congratulations!!!!!
- Mona Nomura
YEAY!
- Shevonne
Congrats! You should join us over in the parenting room. :) http://friendfeed.com/rooms...
- Rochelle
Wohoo! glad you put that smiley face.
- Alfredo
Thanks all. Rochelle, just did -- and the messages there already scare me! :P
- Tamar Weinberg
Hey! Congrats!!!
- Eric @ CSTechcast.com
Aww, don't be scared! Let me know if I can help or anything. :) I have very recent experience!
- Rochelle
HUUUUUUUGS!!!
- Helen Sventitsky
wow, good for you! good luck
- Cee Bee
grats!
- Joshua Schnell
Mazel tov!
- Akiva Moskovitz
:)
- Tamar Weinberg
w00t!!!
- Derrick
WHOO HOOOOOOOOOO
- Erin @queenofspain
Congratulations!!!
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Awesome! Take the classes. They really do help.
- Robert Scoble
Read Dr. Karp's 'Happiest Baby On the Block'. And keep a copy of Dr. Sears' 'The Baby Book' on hand. They're absolutely essential.
- Akiva Moskovitz
WOOHOO! Congratumacations!
- Glen Mistletoe
Congratulations!
- Trish R
I agree with Akiva. I would go nuts without those two books. Dr. Karp's is also available as a DVD.
- Rochelle
Thanks - will definitely check them out.
- Tamar Weinberg
Congratulations!
- Paola Bonomo
Congrats, Tamar! And good to see you back. If you're interested, you can run your own baby pool contest on my site here: http://bebepool.com ~ all the best!
- Micah Wittman
Congratulations!
- Anne Bouey
Congrats again Tamar :D
- Haggis (Sean Loyless)
great to cya in austin!
- sean percival
Yay! I can talk about it publicly now! Congratulations, Tamar. Great to see you at SXSW. (Also, sounds like I have to send a louisgray.com onesie)
- Louis Gray
Congrats.. :o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
congradulations :)
- chaz2b
Congrats, Tamar!
- Kol Tregaskes
Congrats. :-)
- Håkan Dahlström
(S)he'll join FriendFeed in June? Cool :)
- Jemm
Yayyy! Congratulations!!!
- Bec Rowe @d0tski
Congratulations!
- Parth Awasthi
Congratulations! Now you have to listen to everyone give you advice on how to raise a child :)
- Rob Diana
Yay!! Congratulations on the tiny one!
- Yolanda
Congratulations! :-D
- Ladybug Heather
Congrats!!! :)
- Carmen
Congrats!
- Manuela
Congrats!
- Matt Cutts
Awesome News ... love all the good news ..
- johnpiercy
Congrats!
- Mike
congrats!
- Marco(aureliusmaximus)
Congratulations!!!!!!!
- Thomas Hawk
Congrats :)
- Hao Chen
Congratulations!
- Jen (SquirrelGirl)
Jemm: I guess I'll make an account for 'em ;) And Louis - yes, send onesies! I'll even post pics on schwagaddict.com :D
- Tamar Weinberg
wow, mazol tov!!!
- Barry Schwartz
Congrats Tamar! :)
- AJ Batac
Congrats!
- Steve Rubel
Congrats!
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
Conga Rats & Mazel Tov, Tamar!
- Michael R. Bernstein
Congrats!
- pearl
Congratulations - that's excellent!
- Patrick Jordan
Congrats Tamar!
- Hutch Carpenter
Congratulations!
- .LAG liked that
YAY, Congratulations Tamar!! wooo hoo!! You're a Mommy blogger now! :)
- Susan Beebe
wow congrats
- Kipp Bodnar
Congratulations!! And get ready for sleepless nights :)
- Dilip Dand
woo-hoo! Congratulations! :)
- JA Castillo
Congratulations!! :)
- Nicholas James
Congratulations!
- Rutger Blom
Yay!
- Josh Haley
Congrats Tamar!
- Mo Kargas
Congrats ... very good news ... +1001.
- Amani
Although I knew about this, congrats again! You are going to be a great mommy! Life as you know it will never be the same :-)
- Mike Fruchter
Facebook's new home page
Danny Peck, Phil Ashman, Susan Beebe and 109 other people liked this
Facebook now has "hide" features and filtering. Nice.
- Robert Scoble
New home page comes starting next Wednesday.
- Robert Scoble
So it is pretty much FF?
- andy brudtkuhl
I bet they missed te oportunity to integrate real attention profiling...
- directeur
Yeah - Facebook is completing its transformation into FriendFeed
- Chris Saad
Good God let the bitch begin. Last summer that amount of complaining about the re-design was ridiculous. People complained like there was not UX and planning involved. I think the site re-design was a huge improvement. I look forward to the new design as well.
- JP Holecka - Jaypiddy
Interesting - does that look like less external app and advert space? It does to me.
- Ian D. Nock
Where do the ads go?
- Eric @ CSTechcast.com
@Chris That's a good thing, sort of. I would rather see FF incorporate more robust profiles and other FB like features, but without the closed model. And you know, more like FF :)
- Neal Jansons
I am sure the focus is more on the content now. Videos and pictures adn other media will be grabbing more space in there
- Hardeep Singh Dang
looks like FF....
- anna sauce
looks like the nav has been streamlined -- as chris suggests, more like FF -- and the sidebar on right is ? groups, pages? guess we'll see soon enough
- Adrian Chan
Facebook had "hide" features in the News Feed around 18 months ago. Remember the thumbs up/thumbs down?
- Jamie
Well, they say that imitation is the sincerest form of flattery...
- Jemm
Yeah - "hide" has been there - show more of, show less of is very useful, and kicks FriendFeed's butt in terms of intelligence
- Jesse Stay
So if FriendFeed is Apple, Facebook is turning into Taiwanese MSI.. ? http://bit.ly/mogsR
- Thomas Bøhm
Thomas, LOL.
- Onur Gündüz
I may reactivate activity on this new FB. But in that case I would do a pure reset of my friend list... Just like "some" did on twitter ;) Not that I have a huge list there, but not _the_ appropriate list
- Jean-Charles VERDIE
from twhirl
I hope they don't sacrifice the amount of information you can view above the fold for larger user pics.
- James Simmons
You have to give facebook credit for iterating fast. I think that twitter and facebook should join forces and create a compelling alternative.
- Edwin Khodabakchian
no it is getting provocative, really the future will prove it. but FB is playing a loose game
- abdellah
it cost time money and resource to re-educated an audience, the large the audience the large the expenses, and FB audience is large how much it will cost to re-educate such audience to act like FF people do.
- abdellah
Can't believe this - no originality. Complete rip.
- James Hull
The complaints of "I don't understand Friendfeed" will have not weight if people use the new Facebook interface.
- Andy Bakun
is this the silicon valley equivalent of waking up next to the severed head of your favorite horse? "we can steal your UI at any time, friendfeed. remember that."
- Karim
That will work much better, although I'm getting used to ignoring the right hand column, I'll need to get used to ignoring the left hand column again. ;)
- Daniel W. Crompton
Why so much hype around new FB page? Like you use it more than FRF ;)
- Sasha Kovaliov(.com)
Sasha: this is a huge change. Not because of what you see, but because businesses and brands now are full members of the social graph. That will be an impact you'll feel over next two years.
- Robert Scoble
well, full members if you fan or friend them. But you don't have to. And then they invade you less than they would on Twitter.
- Prokofy Neva
Robert, agree. However, FB has to work hard these 2 years to make itself destination #1 on the web. I hardly go there - all important things just hit RSS or email. I wish RSS had more 2-way interaction.
- Sasha Kovaliov(.com)
the FB move, is just an other move toward a more social service, some have to confess that in FB there is an equivalent of bull, even it is a social website, it is a set of million bull and those (family friend reduced set restraint) suffer from inter-bull interaction, this FB is to bring more interaction between people from different bull and this will be provided but the concept of fellower. and feed commenting like etc. is it risky!! yes
- abdellah
how to argue that such feature can be a bad move for FB, just see the "group" evolution in FB. in FB people want one thing "be in a closed relation with their known relations", would people be open mind in FB and open their own bull to others bull!! this is all what future will tell.
- abdellah
Sasha: That's why FriendFeed is so much better than Facebook. the ability for RSS to be embeded in your feed and be able to carry on a conversation about a storry in that RSS feed on FriendFeed is what makes FF so amazing. BUT, i don't know if i'd want everyone on FF to have the same access that friends on FB have access to about me. That's the problem. We need two sites for this unless someone can come up with way to make a profile partially private and available to only those you trust. That's key.
- Ⓐ ☠ slayerboy ☠ Ⓐ
@Slayerboy, do you think that's why we don't have this extensive profiles (read "no profiles") on FRF?
- Sasha Kovaliov(.com)
I think the new facebook homepage looks awesome. Some interesting changes are definitely taking place. The new input bar which you can just see will completely transform the service by placing an even greater focus on sharing media. No longer will it simply be a status update but an all in one sharing feature
- Benno
@Sashe, yeah I think that's one of the reasons. I believe in openness and all that, but am not blind to the fact that a majority of people even have problems putting stuff on their facebook profile when they CAN set privacy settings. I think Facebook has a good idea with the whole Network thing, but there's no real communication there. If FF applied the network idea and let me specify who I want in my "Friends" and in my "Network", friends can access my profile, network can't, but we can all converse.
- Ⓐ ☠ slayerboy ☠ Ⓐ
.....it would make it much easier and we wouldn't need two sites for this. I think that's what FF does with Rooms, but again, privacy vs non-privacy is an issue for profiles.
- Ⓐ ☠ slayerboy ☠ Ⓐ
@Slayerboy I like the way Flickr does it - on adding a friend you mark them as a contact, friend or family. Cool idea that should be easy to implement and would save us from rooms and other stuff.
- Sasha Kovaliov(.com)
@Sasha interesting, I use Picasa and just share the feed on FF. Never got into Flickr. Can't imagine it'd be hard to implement that on FF then.
- Ⓐ ☠ slayerboy ☠ Ⓐ
Facebook now has Friendfeed! YATTAAA! :-)
- Burak "cyrus" Bayburtlu
It seems to me like only the social media experts would compare Friendfeed/Twitter with Facebook. The rest look at them as apples and oranges. They are used differently
- Andre P. Siregar
Andre, what do you mean by social media experts?
- abdellah
I think the term 'social media experts' is used in this context to indicate 'stupid dumb-ass charlatans'. Hope that clarifies. ;-)
- David Petherick
from twhirl
so, may be I am one of them :) David
- abdellah
Thanks, David :-). Although I would put it less harshly.
- Andre P. Siregar
are you sure?!! I am still waiting for your definition Andre. what is a social media expert?
- abdellah
I thought the smaller companies were supposed to be the most agile? Here we have the battleship turning inside the destroyer. FriendFeed is still mostly what it was a year ago. Facebook has redesigned twice. Impressive.
- Chris Baskind
Abdellah, here's all I'm saying. There's been tons of serious discussions on Friendfeed/Twitter and Facebook, allegations and accusations that one copies the other, etc. etc. I don't understand why spend the energy. The majority of the 175mill Facebook users are there simply to connect with actual friends. Simple example: I respect Robert Scoble's opinion on new technology, but I don't care what he is doing at home tonight. But I do want to know what my sister is doing, 1000 miles away
- Andre P. Siregar
Andre, I respect your opinion and how you use social service, now I was about the label of "social media expert" , I hope that you aren't about self claimed guru, that all. we are all expert and none is :) peace.
- abdellah
The new Facebook Page layout makes it more difficult to highlight video content. Video is now relegated to tabs or below the immovable Fans box on the Wall page. Not great if video is a key part of your content strategy and you want to make it prominent.
- Simon Taylor
I like the new setup as I updated my company's page yesterday. I approve FB!
- Jeremy Campbell
from twhirl
I'm not going back to Facebook - my mom's on it now:)
- Aaman (Clone of FF)
Facebook is the Microsoft of 2009, mimicking FF, Twitter, slowly taking shape as THE communications platform for the masses. Big mistake turning FB Pages into a profile page, though, businesses lose any branding. Looks like a college kid designed it.
- mark ivey
看上去结构更清晰
- 阿石
40 Advanced Web Analytics Tools for Business, Big & Small - http://www.seoptimise.com/blog...
Mike and Dobromir Hadzhiev liked this
A technical overview of FriendFeed - http://blog.friendfeed.com/2009...
Meryn Stol, Phil G, Svartling and 34 other people liked this
Awesome. Love the openness of sharing this info.
- Mark Krynsky
this. is. great. really thnx for sharing
- Alberto D'Ottavi
Nice writeup, Bret.
- Darren
"faster page load times" ?? they were already fast :o)
- Trevor
6 Steps for Creating a Social Media Marketing Roadmap & Plan - http://www.socialmediatoday.com/SMC...
Mike and Dan Morrill AKA Techwag liked this
This is a very introductory post on what social media is and what you can do with it, but it's pretty good for what it offers.
- Tamar Weinberg
Demographic breakdown of Social Media Sites by sex and age - http://digg.com/tech_ne...
Mike and Bill Romanos liked this
"Further info: The source of the image is a blog post about social media metrics - http://pdxreda.blogspot.com/2009... ... The data is based on RapLeaf's numbers from July 2008, and the full report lists additional networks plus the average number of friends users have on each service - http://business.rapleaf.com/company... ... Hope that helps."
- mashable
Very useful graphs on social networks. I'm going to use this in an upcoming presentation.
- Mike
Facebook Reverts Terms of Service After Complaints - http://www.insidefacebook.com/2009...
Katy Pearce, Kol Tregaskes, Rodney Rumford and 21 other people liked this
i think this is just a PR play. eventually, incrementally, everything in that loathsome T.O.S. will bleed its way back into the "contract" FB has with their users (present company included). they showed their hand. after the uproar dies down, all your base will still belong to FB.
- .LAG liked that
I'm sure the vast majority of users were completely unaware of the fuss.
- Jinni
Agreed. The language is so condescending. We didn't get it wrong. You stupid users just didn't understand.
- Anton Mannering
from twhirl
Facebook's history of doing the wrong thing continues...
- Chris Luckhardt
@Chris what's the right thing in this situation?
- Joel
Joel: removing the "we can change the TOS whenever we like and you automaticly accepted it" would be a nice start.
- Marcos Marado
WetPaint Hits 8 Million unique visitors per month - http://techwag.com/index...
Nicholas James, Megan, Mark Harai and 6 other people liked this
Re: The Newest Way To Game Twitter - Fake Followers - http://brooksbayne.com/post...
Mike and Kevin Burke liked this
"Hey Brooks, Thanks for this. Obviously the most important thing to us at Mashable is to have *real* followers who enjoy the content we're supplying. I'd appreciate if you could get Twitter's attention on this issue ASAP - we're strongly opposed to automated methods and spamming."
- mashable
Google Chrome for Mac (First Screenshots) ( http://mashable.com/2009... )
Mike and Vincent van Wylick liked this
Official Gmail Blog: New in Labs: Add your location to your signature - http://gmailblog.blogspot.com/2009...
alamoon20, Tyson Key, Mike and 62 other people liked this
"To try it, turn on Location in Signature from the Labs tab under Settings, then go to your signature preferences and check the box next to "Append your location to the signature." It'll use your public IP address to determine your location, so it may not always be that accurate. For example, if you're at Heathrow airport, IP detection may put you in Germany. If you want more accurate location detection, make sure your browser has a version of Gears that supports the location module. That way, Gears can make use of wi-fi access point signals to recognize that you're actually in London."
- Paul Buchheit
from Bookmarklet
This is pretty cool. I had wanted to add a feature to Gmail that would instead show the location of the people sending you email by geo-locating the source-IP in the "Received" headers (most non-Gmail services expose your computer's IP address).
- Paul Buchheit
Doesn't seem to be working well in Linux and Comcast. Thinks I am in Sacramento not Los Altos. :-( Linux deperately needs better location based services.
- Zaki Manian
I don't get why it's not using Google Latitude. If I manually set my location in Latitude, I don't want Gmail to say I'm somewhere completely different.
- Tony Ruscoe
from fftogo
Maybe it was developed before Latitude and the teams didn't coordinate.
- Ionut
@Ionut It's a Gmail Labs feature. That usually means it was done by one engineer in his/her 20% time rather than by a 'team.'
- Adewale Oshineye
will be good to have the location in my GTalk Resource JID part.
- Stoyan Zhekov
Will this work on the iPhone????
- Roberto Bonini
Roberto, I think Gmail Labs features are powered from the front-end, so it would only work on the iPhone if you could use the full Gmail AJAX interface (which I don't think is possible).
- Tony Ruscoe
looks like that <s>developer</s> technical writer behind this feature wave us *hello* -- see that _second_ picture with typed text "Mishutka von Wald" ? that's аllusion on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...
- A.T.
"I'm sorry, I am sick in the hospital and will not be making it to the wedding. Congrats! John Location: Six Flags Over Georgia Theme Park" :)
- John Reynolds
from Nambu
It seems not to work perfect in China. Maybe the ip library of China is not quite correct.
- nAODI （ANNDI）
I'm impressed by all the recent Gmail updates. Make me want to abandon Mail.app for good.
- Sebastian
neat stuff but it makes me wonder if it's good thing for people to know where you are though...
- Ridzuan Ashim
from twhirl
So when is gmail going to get HTML-enabled signatures (without using an extension)?
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
to Paul: do you still receive e-mail from providers other than gmail? :)
- Ihar Mahaniok
+1 Jandy Please. HTML already. I don't give a crap where you are emailing me from.
- Sarah Perez
Silpol you win, finally someone got the reference to the bear Mishutka :)
- xyz
Google Insight: Google Proves Humanity Is Sick and Sad, Yet Absolutely Hilarious - http://i.gizmodo.com/5152141...
bcultral, Mike, Kevin Singarayar and ''a_a@FF'' liked this
Stats: Facebook Nearly 20 Percent Bigger Than MySpace in US ( http://mashable.com/2009... )
Angela P., Aslıhan, Florin Grozea and Mike liked this
Got Latitude running -- looks like Google really did this right. Deep Google Maps integration, city-level location sharing, and permissions.
Brian Appleby, Daniel Rowley, Jérôme Flipo and 10 other people liked this
Latitude is a good start. Not being real-time (at least on symbian) is a disappointment though. I guess they will fix that.
- Davide D'Incau
What do you mean it isn't real time? Jeff Sandquist watched me get closer to him yesterday.
- Robert Scoble
Add me and you can watch where I am in real time.
- Robert Scoble
im still hanging on that this is a stalker app :P
- Zafarali
I meant that the updates are not immediate. At least when I change my status on latitude on my mobile, it is not immediately changed on my gtalk profile. There is some delay. I don't know how much. Also friends statuses are not pushed to the mobile client but there is a "refresh friends" link. I guess there is also some automatic refresh in the background, but there is not a setting menu to configure that. So I guess you could say it is almost real-time. Does it work differently on Android/RIM devices?
- Davide D'Incau
Latitude seems flaky on WinMo devices. Random program termination...though it could just be flaky WinMo
- Jon Mason
It should be interesting to see the apps developed for this --- I'm a bit scared
- Mike
not had any issues on WinMo here, been fine. Have a TyTN II (Kaiser) with Win Mo 6
- Stuart Evans
from twhirl
This thread has officially been scobled ;) Hope they come out with the iPhone version soon...
- Holger Eilhard
Does Bill Gates read friendfeed? He just told me thanks for the nice comments I made about his annual letter there.
Dobromir Hadzhiev, Eric @ CSTechcast.com, Gavin and 157 other people liked this
ooh.. Bill is around us =) watch out
- Qbat
Will we see a comment from Bill?
- paul mooney
Yeah! well, i think he's got plenty of time now
- Constantine
It'd be awesome if we do see a comment from him.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
i think he needs to do it to stay connected and to see what's going on.
- Sascha Pallenberg
well why not? would you expect him not to? or anyway, someone that briefs him
- sofiagk
we won't see his comment, because anybody seems to know his account; that clearly means he's not going to use FF as a main [and public] tool of communication. Why should he burn his hidden identity here - if he really have one? -- Anyway I just think his press office has done a good job, telling him what Robert wrote here.
- Markingegno - Donato
Markingegno: knowing Bill I seriously doubt it was the press office. The dude does use all social networks.
- Robert Scoble
Ironically, Bill Gates could pop in here and say "Hi, I'm Bill Gates" and no-one would believe it now...
- Warren
*waves at Bill* There are few people who could change this from ScobleFeed, and he's one of 'em. Heaven help me if Jobs has a covert FF account, I'd be using the hide button like a mad woman.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Maybe he's stalking you, Robert. Or maybe he has a mancrush ;)
- Ron's Home And Hardware
But is he on Twitter? ...Sorry, had to drop that in here. :)
- phil baumann
@Robert - I believe you about his attitude towards social networks, but still think he doesn't want to pop in. I'd be glad to discover I'm wrong ;)
- Markingegno - Donato
Markingegno: he won't participate because he gets too many requests. He was on Facebook for a while and deleted his account.
- Robert Scoble
Hi Bill! i think your a kool guy. (now call me and say thanks) lol - @robert whats his twitter?
- Chris Clayton
He probably reads it for the same reason many of us to to stay up to date and in touch
- Rob Cairns
If he does, his personal stock just went way up in my book!
- Aaron Strout
HE is watching us :-|
- ◄ani625Ξ
I hope so, he owes me a computer!
- Ed Shahzade /NextInstinct
Which reinforces the point that the readers/lurkers are often more important than the participants (or more precisely shouldn't be discounted and can surprise you considerably)
- Shannon Clark
Hi Bill. If you're reading this. Please come back to Microsoft. We miss you
- Marcus Beagley
If you're reading this Bill, I'm writing you from Nigeria and need help getting my money...
- Kevin Leroux
Everyone listens in on your conversations Robert; have you heard from the pope? : )
- Mark Harai
what happened was that Bill did a Live search for entries/critiques/analysis of the report and nothing came up...then he ran the same search on Google. First hit = FriendFeed..
- Carlos Ayala
ok, now I can tell you, my real name is Bill: http://is.gd/hO6f :)
- Markingegno - Donato
Maybe somebody who knows him uses FF and told him about the comments.
- Bruce Lewis
from fftogo
awesome!
- Davide D'Incau
that's eerie yet cool...
- Anthony Farrior
Hey Bill. Loved you in Stargate!
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
That is cool, Robert. And I thought the annual letter was interesting and very well written. I'd love to work for the Gates Foundation.
- asiriusgeek
Would Bill even use his real name?? ( apologies in advance to Bill if he does read this)???
- Roberto Bonini
Like it or not, a message like that is EXACTLY why Scoble is such an influencer on here and other places. How many people could say that Bill Gates had personally thanked them for a comment they made about him while arsing about on social networks and you know straight away that it's true.
- Philip Tomlinson
I'm sure he has a "listening strategy" like a google alert on his own name - or maybe he creates specific alerts for his name plus a keyword for a specific event/topic.
- Laura Norvig
YAY!! I hope Bill does check out and participate in FriendFeed. Perhaps he saw it on your blog. You mention FF quite a bit there too
- Susan Beebe
Gates=authority
- Wallace
OMG! Wait, and you're sure you didn't post those comments anywhere else but here? Nice!
- Sarah Perez
Bill is a nerd, why wouldn't he read and do all the other stuff other nerds do? That and in between meeting with heads of state and playing WoW on a real set :-)
- Todd Hoff
Wouldn't a system like Twitter, FriendFeed be better for someone like Gates? Even if 1,000,000 people follow him, he's not obligated to follow back, and people wouldn't be offended by this, there would be respect of his privacy. Whereas on Facebook, he would be inundated with requests for various apps...
- Mike Nayyar
Now I have to say more nice things about Microsoft. :)
- Paul Buchheit
It would be cool if Bill Gates was a lurker here, but all I can say is that he better get along with Derrick. Otherwise there will be all kinds of drama! :-) and just in case...Mr. Gates, longtime customer, first time commenter. Just keep on doing what you feel you should be doing. It's worked for you thus far. You is, be da man. So if no broke, no fixin.... nuff sed
- Morgan Haley
Paul, I'll give you one: Microsoft is all about innovation. When it comes to innovative software companies, nobody's bought more of them than Microsoft.
- Bruce Lewis
from fftogo
moive: Dead Man on Campus - "Bill Gates wants my brain" --- i just had too, one movie quote i always think about when i hear his name!
- shayne catrett
Bill wants his annual letter ritual to eventually rise to Warren Buffett level, so guess it's not surprising he's blowing kisses your way Robert. Or he just plain misses you.
- mark ivey
Full on lurker or might he have an alias account?
- AJ Kohn
Wouldn't Bill Gates employ someone to manage his social networking accounts? Or is the risk of mis-communication too great?
- Bill Romanos
If Bill went on Twitter I am sure he would get a gazillion followers... Though Jobs would probably get a gazillion+1
- Peter Efland
BIG microsoft fan...Until I gotta macintosh that is.
- Zee.
i'm sure someone e-mails him a daily ego-blast of all such things said throughout the Web.
- Andy Sternberg
He has people read it for him, of course.
- Monica Bower
Why do people assume he has people looking at Friendfeed and Twitter for him? Bill might like to read Twitter and FriendFeed feeds.
- Nicholas James
first even before google: omniscient/omnipresent would be the Gates himself ~ he's watching....
- sofarsoShawn
Maybe this is really Bill: http://friendfeed.com/bob
- April Russo (app103)
I bet he's pleased as punch about all the positive feedback on Win7, and should be. It's the best OS since Win95 came out.
- Haggis (Sean Loyless)
Bill needs to grab this username quick@ http://friendfeed.com/billgat... ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Time to out myself, I'm actually Bill Gates. I've been watching you all.
- jjprojects
jjprojects - LOL ... so Bill is running earthhour now too?! :)
- Susan Beebe
tell him the credit check passed & yes, he can borrow some money, just wanted to make sure, you know financial crisis & alll...
- sofarsoShawn
Wouldn't it be funny if Steve Jobs was here with an outrageous avatar?
- Phil Boiarski
There could be a private room for tech CEO's, except Jerry Yang, of course
- Roberto Bonini
@Jason, You have a camera on his office?
- Phil Boiarski
لایک برای بیل عزیز. به فارسی نوشتم که نفهمین. هه هه
- مرتضی
The Top 10 Social Networks for Generation-Y ( http://mashable.com/2009... )
Luxzy, Bill Romanos, bcultral and 2 other people liked this
Jet Engine Being Hit by 5lb Bird (video) http://mashable.tumblr.com/post...
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10 Reasons Why You Should Sign Up for FriendFeed - http://thomashawk.com/2009...
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Clay Newton, Benno, Nate Koechley and 215 other people liked this
I wish there was a AIR client for FF though.
- barl0w
Twhirl works well for FF and it's an AIR client.
- Bob M. Montgomery
from twhirl
Great article. I want to learn more about the dumping the RSS feeder part. You should share some tips with that. Good stuff.
- Amani
Love seeing FF through the eyes of someone who's not a traditional techie =)
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Thanks Bob!
- barl0w
A big part of why I wrote this post and have it running in my number one photo spot on Flickr right now is because I want more of my photography friends to sign up for the service. I *love* seeing photos here on FriendFeed and there are so many talented photographers who are not here yet who need to be. If we can get more of them to sign up, you guys will love their work. Of course there are many great photographers already on here but still a lot more who could join.
- Thomas Hawk
I had to re-share this with all my FB friends. :)
- Kelly W.
Still trying to figure out this whole friendfeed experience. I've had the account for a while and see lots of my twitter friends posting via ff
- Demetri Mouratis
great piece!
- mashable
Hi Demetri =) Different people use FF different ways because they want to get different things out of it. What are you hoping to get out of it?
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Thanks for the tip. I had FF but really never 'got' what it was for. This helped!
- Molly Nichelson
from twhirl
Great work.
- Nation Hahn
Nice post Thomas.
- Paul Wade
TH - for those photographers that are not on here, I put their flickr id into my Flickr Imaginary friend and see their images that way. However, it would be nice to get more photographers on here with their reader shares and such...
- Justin Korn
This is definitely the best "Why Friendfeed" post I've seen.
- Nick in Manila
Justin, agreed. I have a bunch of imaginary friend accounts for Flickr/Zooomr users as well. But it is nicer when they actually have accounts here, their work can be liked and commented to the larger FF community, etc. It seems like a few new people signed up today based on this post so I'm happy for that. Thanks Nick!
- Thomas Hawk
I have AlertThingy FriendFeed Edition as well as AlertThingy v2
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Well said, Thomas. :)
- Josh Haley
Nice list of reasons, all well thought out. While I'm at it, I wanted to tell you that I really like your new blog design too.
- Karoli
Good point on getting a domain you like.
- Kevin Whalen
Do most folks use FF in Standard or Real-time view mode?
- Scott Loftesness
Only ever real-time.. it sits nicely on the second monitor as a Chrome App.
- Greg Gannicott
Realtime here...
- Chris Gulker
Did you just reformatted your post, Thomas? It a lot easier to scan through now.
- Alan Le
Alan, a lot of times I post first and edit later. I probably shouldn't do that, but yeah, after posting I broke up some of the paragraphs better, bolded a few things etc., to make it easier to read.
- Thomas Hawk
That's great. Make sure to check out Windows Live Writer for formatting blog posts if you haven't already yet. By the way, I love the new blog design. It's much better than when I helped you with the html way back. http://thomashawk.com/2006...
- Alan Le
Barlow, Im currently developping an Adobe AIR tool for FriendFeed: we comin' !
- David Guyon
Y'know... I must've spent two months randomly Tweeting things like "Will someone PLEASE explain to me why I should be using FriendFeed?" ... And then two days ago I start using my account (I'd had one for a while)... and NOW someone finally makes a post outlining why I should be here. You're two days late, Mr. Hawk, two days late. :P
- Lou
actually, there's no search for Russian word forms on Frf. For me that looks as if there's no search at all
- orie
hmmm.. I didn't know that orie. It seems like there is a lot of international users on FF, that's surprising to me.
- Thomas Hawk
I've been trying to make sense of FF for months now, but every time I come away confused. As it is I feel like I'm drowning under all the social networking sites available. I use Twitter, Plurk and Facebook the most, and I use Ping.fm so I only have to post status updates once. How can I integrate FF into this without making things even more confusing?
- Chris Taylor
oooh! I found the zooomr version of this post with no formatting and I whined somewhere else in my FF feed. This one with all the formatting is better :D
- Tamar Weinberg
Friendfeed rocks!
- rampantheart
I really liked how you did a post on Flicker
- MaryAnn Chick Whiteside
All good reasons but #10 is my #1 reason :)
- Mark Krynsky
Mark - agreed. Also, Thomas ... very nice blog. I like.
- Amani
Good post Thomas. I was thinking it would be hard to find 10 points, but I agree with all your points, and am sure there are probably many more.
- Peter Efland
@Tamar, the unformated text was a problem on the Zooomr image. Kristopher's fixed that bug now so text in descriptions on Zooomr photos should format correctly now.
- Thomas Hawk
I wasn't using FF, but signed up after your post. Now let's see if it is really so useful ;-)
- Marcel Körner
@Marcel also take into consideration who you are subscribed to. Aside from maybe four on your current sub list, they are not very active at all on FF. This will affect your experience here.
- Carlos Ayala
Didn't know there was a "Porn" room on FF (see screenshot)...
- David Young
how did you see that they are not active on FF?
- Marcel Körner
David, the "porn" room on FriendFeed isn't all that active actually. I'm not really interested in porn per se, just thought it was a good group name to claim in the great FriendFeed land group name grab of 2008.
- Thomas Hawk
@Marcel by their numbers, and the fact that i know most of them and can tell you first hand that they are not. (if you hover over people's names you will see their numbers)
- Carlos Ayala
Cake Wrecks: The Problem With Phone Orders - http://cakewrecks.blogspot.com/2009...
MiniMage TKDteacher of FF, Yolanda, Mike and 2 other people liked this
OMG this story makes me cry.
- Tamar Weinberg
from Bookmarklet
I think I had at least 3 people like that at every job I ever had.
- Josh Haley
No. Head. Hurting. Stupidity level detector. Busted.
- Kamilah Gill
Looks like new Twhirl will come out on Monday. Watch @loic for more information.
Kevin Whalen, Jon, the Beartato of FF, Nicholas James and 18 other people liked this
i think twhirl has lost a lot of ground to tweetdeck in between releases. hopefully this new version gives us another viable desktop client that rivals tweetdeck. competition is good.
- Morgan
if they have groups i'll switch back
- andy brudtkuhl
The last Twhirl update was like a month ago.
- Admiral Anika
Cool can't wait for the new Twhirl! :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
I love Twhirl, and haven't switched to Tweetdeck because it doesn't support ff.
- Michael Fidler
from twhirl
I wasn't even all that impressed with the tweetdeck groups, honestly. And now that I can group by searches on twhirl, I don't think I'll be using much else for my twitter needs! :)
- Jon, the Beartato of FF
my secret time saving email tip: change your desktop email signature to "Sent from iPhone" - then write 1 sentence replies! sshhh
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That's GENIUS!
- Chris Saad
I do that all the time. Helps if you don't capitalize words and make misspellings too--looks more authentic.
- Andrew Leyden
sweet. I'm going to start doing that so people will think I have an iPhone.
- Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins
My secret too. Be careful not to type too much w/o errors or it will raise suspicion.
- Craig Mische
That is genius actually, I like it.
- xero
how many of us do this? (and probably have people do it back to us ;-)
- Tobias Peggs
OMG. brilliance.
- Anthony Baker
LOVE THIS!
- BEX
Don't do this with people that know what the X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (5G77) email header means.
- Lars Trieloff
THAT IS AWESOME!!!
- Keith - @tsudo
Especially don't do it in a reply to your boss when you are supposed to be at your desk.
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
I like it a lot. My emails have become shorter and shorter anyway, so used to twitter.
- jjprojects
smart :)
- Sebastian
Just don't ever attach anything! You'll give yourself away.
- Gregory Cohen
BRILLIANT!!!!
- Paul
Classic
- Nina Morena
Simple for me, mine does come from an iPhone 98% of the time.
- Tsali, The Native of FF
wow...that is a great idea!!!
- Brian Appleby
Oh.... that's GOOD....
- Ciaoenrico
I wonder if people would think I'm never in the office ;-) Double benefit!
- Ken Stewart | ChangeForge
The Top 20 Social Networks of 2008 - http://mashable.com/2009...
Roman Zolotarev, Bill Romanos and Mike liked this
I'd like to see the next 20 as well.
- Gary C
analytic information through the medium of furniture: http://adriensegalfurniture.blogspot.com/2008...
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Did You Watch The Inauguration Online? Did it Run Smoothly? - http://thenextweb.com/2009...
Roberto Bonini, Svein Håvard Djupvik, Baard @ Pixum and 23 other people liked this
"As possibly the largest new-media event of all time. Did you decide to watch it online and follow thoughts on Twitter of Friendfeed? Or did you stick to the trusted old media outlets of CNN, BBC, Sky and others…?"
- Zee.
from Bookmarklet
I watched it on the BBC. Was just fine :) Also had Friendfeed and tweetdeck open of course.
- Simon Wicks
same, really impressed actually
- Zee.
I am in Current TV's newsroom. I watched it on all the above. :-) http://www.current.com/44
- Robert Scoble
I watch it online, but it was jerky at the office. The early morning stuff was smooth at home, though.
- Anthony K. Valley ©
from IM
Yes on CNN, and it was amazing The future of TV
- Michael Fidler
from twhirl
Tons of QIK's and Tweets and miles to go before I sleep http://tinyurl.com/inaugcog09 This is at least the PACE of tweets we've been talking about to begin emulating cognition.
- michael silverton
Watched the history in making on cnn.com, connected to my flat screen tv. Unbelievable quality, undistinguishable from broadcast tv or cable. What a prez! His speech writer is 27, his online strategy guy is Mark Zuckerburg, and he promises to restore science and tech to its "rightful place". Good times to come :-)
- Ritesh Lal
Zee - streams were very spotty here. Switched to TV before it started.
- Charlie Anzman
Not really. Ton of hanging or choppy video; skittering audio and sometimes nothing at all. :/
- JA Castillo
everything lagged for me.... internets #fail
- andy brudtkuhl
went old media, CNN. :)
- mikepk
Once I set next to my router, everything went fine
- Juan Pablo González
Choppy video online. I went back inside to watch from Obama's speech on. Came out after Lowery's speech and MSNBC online was still showing the poet.
- Admiral Anika
TV with twitter and friendfeed on ipod.
- TobiasVerhoog.com
Joost.com (broadcasting euronews) went smooth. No HD though. But I don't care about that.
- Meryn Stol
CNN, CBSNEWS, MSNBC all were down during the speech. Had to switch to lesser popular NDTV.. which just worked fine.!
- Karthick R
It was fine on Hulu until Obama's swearing in then it froze, had to run downstairs to switch the portable tv on.
- Sally Church
ustream.tv did surprisingly well. just a few hiccups here and there.
- Neil Bernhart
There's still nothing that can compare to the images and 360 degree view that TV offers
- Dawn
on BBC radio and online plus CNN, Sky and Reuters feed. Advantages to being in an "old media" newsroom: it costs me nothing I have access to pretty much everything. Best online offering I thought was CNN+Facebook console
- Alex Murray
impressive Alex! :)
- Zee.
CNN Live on web with officemates + alternating between: friendfeed-realtime / twitter / search.twitter on iphone.
- Micah Wittman
I was watching Current TV online -- but it stalled a few times.
- Mike
CNN.com and not a single glitch. I was impressed with it considering what i assume must have been a live stream to millions.
- ·[▪_▪]·
I watched it on local TV because internet streaming isn't always reliable.
- Shawn aka ringking
CNN.com's video feed and Facebook integration were top notch - not a single hiccup
- Nathan Chase
CNN.com/live here too. Not a single problem.
- Alejandro
yes, online, my live coverage: http://www.dariosalvelli.com/2009...
- Dario Salvelli
Create Your Own File Sharing Service With Drop.io - http://mashable.com/2009...
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U.S. Airways Crash Rescue Picture: Citizen Journalism, Twitter At Work - http://www.alleyinsider.com/2009...
paniaguai, Christian Burns , Jaica Kinsman and 82 other people liked this
Twitter, again, providing fastest updates. Army of citizen journalists.
- Hutch Carpenter
This picture is incredible. Big props for those pilots!
- Tracy Benham
Wow. Great picture too!
- Craig Eddy
Hutch, that's wrong IMHO. Journalism is not what about this. I mean, that's just reporting witnessed facts nothing more... even the folks in the buildings (in the background) saw that plane. Sorry, I don't believe that This may be called "journalism"
- directeur
As reported on Silicon Alley Insider: http://www.alleyinsider.com/2009...
- Robert Scoble
directeur: you're wrong. That is EXACTLY what journalism is.
- Robert Scoble
Robert definitely NOT! Why do people go to universities and schools? I could have been on that plane an twitted this, am I a journalist for having that "bad" chance? I don't think so
- directeur
directeur: journalists do NOT need to go to universities and schools. There is NO prerequisite of such to being a journalist. (I did go to journalism school at San Jose State University). Schools teach you law and how to do it better, but that's not a pre-requisite.
- Robert Scoble
directeur: to be schooled in traditional journalism. the old way.
- Chris Johnson
Chris: I've met plenty of professional journalists who never went to journalism school.
- Robert Scoble
This is true citizen journalism.
- Robert Miller
Robert and directeur: Twitter is the reporter and Tweeters are the sources. As Twitter is coldblooded and unslanted (ideally) it's a better reporter than most college trained journalists. I could give a damn about good writing, I want truthful information.
- Matthew DeVries
Robert, and Chris, still not convinced sorry. Journalism is about ethics, art, and a science. That's not simply reporting things. Even reporters learn what to report and how to do it
- directeur
directeur: Consider the various purposes of journalism. One includes "witnessing facts" and reporting them. It need not be a complete story with word on where the flight data recorder is, and histories of US Airways flight safety. Simple pics like this provide a lot of info: intact, alive, where the passengers are currently, who is doing the rescuing, etc.
- Hutch Carpenter
directeur: you are so wrong. So so so wrong. Did you go to journalism school? I did and you have no clue. Journalism is the act of capturing and reporting the news. THIS is journalism.
- Robert Scoble
Sensationalist reporting of events is different than in-depth analysis of events, the history that caused them, and the impact they may have on the future. Unfortunately, both get lumped under "news," and that is a shame, but in my mind the latter is journalism, and describing a plane crash certainly is not.
- Nadine Schaeffer
There are plenty of great artists who never went to art school, exceptional web developers with English degrees, and mathematicians & engineers who flunked high school.
- Tom Harrison
Nadine, Rod - if you see a write-up of the city council meeting in the paper, without in-depth analysis, what do you consider that?
- Hutch Carpenter
Robert, okay. You're right for I'm just a computer scientist and you surely know these things better than me. What I meant in fact is that "journalism" is more than reporting. that was my humble opinion
- directeur
Rod: bullshit. The only difference there is getting paid to capture the images.
- Robert Scoble
Hutch: News, not journalism, and a waste of paper at that :P
- Nadine Schaeffer
Robert: No i mean they go to university to learn the old outdated way of journalism. The old retired way! :)
- Chris Johnson
I would argue that *true* journalism is a simple, disinterested reporting of the facts. Too often, "journalists" give their own slant to stories (right and left) turning it into commentary, though still labeled as journalism. This guy truly is doing journalism.
- Joey Gibson
Rod - A credentialed journalist shoving a microphone in the face of a witness is however? I get the line you are trying to point out... but analysis is only a part of journalism... sometimes it is just showing what is happening.
- Brian Roy
RIGHT ON! SAVE THE PEOPLE!
- Pete Barry
+1 Nadine, exactly what I meant! :)
- directeur
directeur: That is ONE form of journalism, and we have been seeing that decline for years. I do like well written peices too ... but this is the way the world is going. There will be a place for both i think.
- Chris Johnson
Directeur, consider the distinction between 'journalism' and 'journalist'. Journalism is an activity that anyone can engage in, just as anyone can engage in accounting, or play a game of soccer. A journalist usually refers to someone who does that for a living, but note that there is no requirement that they have received formal training. Some livelihoods do require formal training and certification, but others do not.
- Michael R. Bernstein
Rod Bauer: You are joking right??? You really think modern journalists (if that is what you can call them) are independent of corporate/government influence and that they have that level of ethics. come on ... what planet do you live on.
- Chris Johnson
Rod: Where does the advertising-support, often sensationalist evening news fall?
- Tom Harrison
As Chris said, there is a decline of true journalism, and it saddens me. All the tweets in the world do not make a single well written editorial from the New York Times or financial analysis from The Economist.
- Nadine Schaeffer
Chris. Standards are goals, and of course not all achieve them. Do you want to throw out standards? There are many corrupt politicians but do you want to stop holding them to a standard of honesty?
- Rod Bauer
But the point is that you need not be employed as a 'journalist' in order to engage in the activity called 'journalism'. As for the ethics and standards comments here, I will note that for the most part journalism does not have the attributes of a profession (such as a required code of ethics and a certification board: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...), so it really is actually a trade.
- Michael R. Bernstein
Tom. There is lots of "journalism" that falls short. Far too much these days, and that is why journalism has such a bad rap now. It's a fucking hard business to get right. But that's why it is so important. Twitter is great for breaking news, but it doesn't replace standards, investigation, and seeking out other sides of the story.
- Rod Bauer
Rod: I certianly do think they should uphold a certian standard. I just dont see your link between being called a journalist and how that somehow implies a level of standards.
- Chris Johnson
I don't know if referring to them as "journalists" is right or wrong. But here's a thought. People who took these pictures, or tweeted this are sources. The role of the "journalist" in the old media isn't relevant - or has been eliminated here. The middle man/ moderator is gone. Sources reach the audience directly unfiltered - the audience (on twitter, FF) as a whole now consume, authenticate and validate the story.
- Kamath (नमः)
I would welcome a "citizen fireman" to help save my burning house, but I would prefer a professionally trained fireman with his/her knowledge and experience. I also would not first choose a "citizen doctor" a "citizen lawyer" or a "citizen airplane pilot."
- Rod Bauer
So although the folks who reported this *are* not journalists, what they did *is* actually journalism. Which leaves aside how well or poorly they did it.
- Michael R. Bernstein
Michael. I think the word "witness" suits this situation better than "journalist."
- Rod Bauer
Consider the following parallel: 'Publishing' vs. 'publisher'.
- Michael R. Bernstein
Rod, sticking with verbs, he didn't just 'witness' this, he also 'reported' it. Would you be more comfortable with calling what he did 'reporting' rather than 'journalism'? It's a fuzzy line.
- Michael R. Bernstein
Michael is right. This guy was NOT just a witness. Witnesses watch. Journalists journal and report. This guy did journalism as good as any other out there. The only difference between him and a "pro" today is that a pro would have had a higher resolution camera. Absolutely no other difference.
- Robert Scoble
Or perhaps you would be more comfortable calling this 'photo-journalism' rather than 'journalism'.
- Michael R. Bernstein
I always carry a couple of cameras with me, even to the bathroom in my own house. Just in case something big happens, I want to be ready. Ready to Document the Disaster. Support the Survivors (via a record of events). and Sell the Story. once the all clear is given....I'm still pretty much disaster free and don't have too many pictures of people trapped under parking structures....so maybe i'll leave a camera behind next time....
- Morgan Haley
Michael. Your semantic distinction is valid and thought-worthy. My concern is primarily about standards and authority. Our problems in those areas have always been huge and the Web complicates them. Maybe the Web will make them better...I'm a Web guy, so I'm optimistic. I fear that in our rush to get news ultra-fast, we will throw out the best of what the guys in the newsrooms (the best of them) have been striving to refine in the name of "journalism."
- Rod Bauer
I applaud Morgan's diligence, but I hope he doesn't document any bathroom disasters.
- Kevin Fox
Rod, if you're a web-guy, then... what do you think of the distinction between 'programming' and 'programmer'? Do you support efforts to professionalize computer programming, up to and including professional certification, in order to promote standards and authority?
- Michael R. Bernstein
Morgan. LOL. The day you don't take the camera to the bathroom is the day the plane emergency lands on the roof and you end up with an airline hostess sitting in your lap.
- Rod Bauer
So historically... how much would the average professional news photographer make for taking this sort of shot, which now seems to be proliferating everywhere, mostly without attribution, let alone compensation?
- Ken Sheppardson
Absolutely amazing. What this illustrates most to me is that "people," regular "people" are realizing and understanding their growing influence in the media spectrum. This guy could have done nothing. He took the time to shoot it, and tell the story via Twitter---to share the story. He's obviously aware of the power of Twitter and other social media platforms. He has influence and has a voice---everyone does---but not everyone knows how to use it...but that's quickly changing.
- Jennifer Windrum
how will Janis Krums be compensated for news agencies using his image? does he give up rights when he publishes it to twitter?
- Neil Bernhart
Michael. They're not the same. Journalism has a social responsibility that doesn't exist in computer programming. In that sense journalism is closer to the practice of medicine. Journalism at any level can't escape social responsibility. In limited areas programming could benefit from certification (security, for example) but otherwise the term programming will also always apply to non-professional activity.
- Rod Bauer
The TwitPic terms say "All images uploaded are copyright © their respective owners", so there's no Creative Commons in effect.
- Ken Sheppardson
TwitPic should grant Janis Krums stock immediately, BTW.
- Ken Sheppardson
Whoah. Rod, you are *so* wrong. I will give you counter examples from both trades: First, I don't think you'll find much social responsibility in the entertainment section of your newspaper. Second, what about the programmer responsible for working on the software that operates a pacemaker, nuclear reactor, or radiation therapy machine?
- Michael R. Bernstein
Great pic. As for "journalism", if I tell you it's partly cloudy, does that make me a meteorologist?
- Andrew Smith
Andrew: No, in the same way that telling me a plane just crashed doesn't make you a psychic. But both tasks make you a journalist of varying degrees.
- Kevin Fox
What's messed up is that I'm actually more nervous when I forget to bring a camera somewhere. What a geek huh? What a dorky wimpy chicken geek.
- Morgan Haley
Michael: a programmer needs *knowledge* and that knowledge is the "merit". Someone who reports doesn't need anything. Or maybe eyes and a mobile? (So, Poor blind folks without a mobile! vae victis)
- directeur
Kevin: I *knew* you were going to write that. <psychic/> :)
- Andrew Smith
Michale. There's a difference between a job having to meet standards because that job could affect society and a profession that has standards. Sure, a programming contract for a nuclear reactor has to meet standards, but programming in general doesn't. I disagree with you about the newspaper entertainment section. I've been a newspaper arts critic. Even though much of what I wrote was my opinion, I still felt (and was held to) standards of truth, accurate sources, etc. It is fuzzier tho', in those sections
- Rod Bauer
directeur: a journalist needs one thing: distribution. That used to be through newspaper, radio, TV. Today it's Twitter and friendfeed. That's one thing that separates "journalists" from "people with cameras." Lots of people probably took pictures today, but how many of their photos or videos have you seen? This guy understood how to get distribution. THAT is key today.
- Robert Scoble
Merriam-Webster clears things up: [http://www.merriam-webster.com/diction...] "1.c - an academic study concerned with the collection and editing of news or the management of a news medium" ... "2.b - writing characterized by a direct presentation of facts or description of events without an attempt at interpretation"
- MikeAmundsen
'Programming in general' is well on it's way to affecting more people than journalism, though. Traffic lights? Voting Machines? The guy who was paid to put back doors into voting machines? The developers *at* Twitter that made this story possible? Virus and other malware writers? Google? "Windows isn't done until Lotus won't run"? Whoever writes those horrible content filters installed...
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- Michael R. Bernstein
Actually, distribution is still newspaper, radio, TV. Most of the country and world have never heard of Twitter or FF. CNN.com would be a more appropriate web analogy.
- Nadine Schaeffer
So by definition from Mike 2.b "...without an attempt at interpretation" it was journalism right up to the point in the tweet where he says "Crazy".
- Andrew Smith
anybody can be in the right place in the right time and twitter a couple of sentences, maybe post a pic. do they deserve awards? hell no. doesn't mean they can actually write an article.
- Terry O'Fee
Terry: many a Pulitzer Prize has been won by someone who captured a world-changing photo that weren't professionals. During the earthquake in 1989 I handed a camera to someone who had never used one before and taught him how to shoot -- he made two award-winning photos that day that we ran on the front of the newspaper.
- Robert Scoble
a photographer and a journalist, i'm talking about writing a proper well thought out article. don't get me wrong, this might be a good way for some people to get into whether writing, or photography. but in the end he's going back to work tomorrow with just a lot of followers who will probably unfollow him in a few weeks time when he tweets like normal. this is a great way of getting news out, i grant you that but I don't know if a tweet entry is really worthy of a walkley award just yet....
- Terry O'Fee
Terry: well, I'm sure we will see one photo shared via the real-time web that will win a Pulitzer at some point. The Pulitzer committee doesn't care if you are a 'pro' or not. They just look at the impact your photo has on the world. Pulitzers get handed out because you were "there" and captured the right moment. Last year's winner: http://www.pulitzer.org/works... -- this photo taken today will certainly be considered.
- Robert Scoble
If there are indeed journalistic standards (cf. doctors and lawyers), where can I go to take the test?
- Glen Mistletoe
Glen: exactly. No test and no standards. This whole argument is bulls**t. If you journal and report news you are a journalist. Period.
- Robert Scoble
journalists get paid though. how is this leading you into a paying job, is what im trying to say..
- Terry O'Fee
In my mind what the people did on site is report. They reported what they saw and what happened. A journalist will now go take the time to interview the people, get the names right, find out what happened, stick with the story, and try to put the situation in some sort of context. Twitter etc will always be better at reporting. Journalism takes time and resources most people don't have, yet both can be done by anyone. Punditry is what most people end up doing in practice.
- Todd Hoff
exactly! telling the world is one thing. putting some effort into your work?
- Terry O'Fee
This photo was better than the ones cnn.com and bbc news online had three hours ago when I first saw this pic mentioned on twitter.
- Ian Fogg
Ian - I don't mean photography. Photography in news is a whole other kettle o' fish. (i just hope future news isn't taken on a shitty 2MP hypephone :P)
- Terry O'Fee
Terry - hadn't read your previous comments. I was just commenting on the photo itself (Friendfeed desperately needs threaded commenting to avoid this kind of crossed wires). What I like is the sense of being there, the fact that it was clearly taken very early on before the plane sunk in the water and most passengers had been rescued. The pro shots on cnn.com and BBC earlier looked like they were taken from high up from a helicopter or a tall building -> the photo journalists should have found a fast boat.
- Ian Fogg
oh, i agree with you. these phones these days (i mean good ones) can make some amazing pictures. my n95 has the same power as my normal camera :P
- Terry O'Fee
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