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How to tell if you are a geek:
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Tonight I was faced with this scene at a party in Indianapolis for Monster Energy drink and I figure it is a good way to tell if you are a geek. If you first impulse is to ask the girls for help with your Ubuntu install, you are probably a geek. If you start wondering about what cool iPhone apps they use, you are probably a geek. If you want to ask them where the best places to find wifi in Paris are, you are probably a geek. If you want to invite them to a Facebook party you are probably a geek. If you ask them what they think of Android you are probably a geek.
- Robert Scoble
from email
به به , چشم مریم خانم روشن
- Mil∂d
@scobleizer you follow the scobleizer on here?
- Prolific Programmer
from IM
By the way, I am a geek. :-)
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
If you ignore them entirely and check out what's playing on the media player in the background, you're probably a geek.
- Akiva Moskovitz
If you can't spell "Ubuntu" do you get your geek cred's revoked?
- Joel Bennett
If your first impulse is to correct @scobleizer on his spelling of Ubuntu in his post . . . you're a geek.
- Michael Owens
So did you have wild sex with them?
- Dave Winer
geek --->
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
slut :)
- Jeunelle Foster
Well Robert, what did they answer to all these questions? <--- Geek.
- Bettina Tizzy
if you dont care, for once, what scoble has to say, and are simply wondering where to find these girls...what are you?
- Zachary Adam Cohen
sluts*
- Michael Owens
If you know for a fact the girls don't care at all about you and are only there as paid advertisements, AND you still don't care and want to gawk and hang out and get photos with them anyway...you might be a geek.
- Josh Haley
Scoble is a womanizer hahahaha
- Jeunelle Foster
Damn, Josh, why not just go ahead and win the Internet for yourself, why don't you.
- Akiva Moskovitz
It might be a new ad for s3.
- Trey Ratcliff
Thank you, sir.
- Josh Haley
Dave: I am talking with you so what do you think? :-)
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Dave + Scoble: That's a yes.
- Michael Owens
Zachary: they are in downtown Indy.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
If you ask them their thoughts on Faccebook acquiring FriendFeed, you're a geek.
- imabonehead
I wonder if Scoble's pickup line is "Hi, Who Are You?"
- Bastard Operator From FF
What the.. Why bother blogging this crap when you could actually be striking up riveting conversation..
- Pogmohoin
Imabonehead: definitely!
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
on my way, just gonna fire up my get and break out the Nair for Men
- Zachary Adam Cohen
from email
oh btw sluts*
- Pogmohoin
"Hi, I'm Robert Scoble, who are you?"
- Prolific Programmer
from IM
You guys are a bunch of pathetic losers. Robert did you ask them what their astrological sign was? and if you did you are a geek who's desperate :)
- Jeunelle Foster
If you immediately turn to your iPhone and write about it on FriendFeed you are a geek
- Jesse Stay
I'm pretty sure I am still a geek, but there is no way any of those questions come to mind when I see this picture. And I think if those questions come to anyone's mind here, it might be time for geek-rehab.
- Bill Grant
Pogmohin: I talked with them for a while. Nice people but didn't know what Android was so I moved on.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
hahahaha
- Jeunelle Foster
This post is just a cover story for why does Robert have this picture, anyway?
- Jason Wehmhoener
So is "What do you think of Android?" the new Turning test?
- Micah Wittman
thinking you can pick up said girls by telling them you wrote an iphone app and expecting them to get excited about it then you're a geek.
- evablue
Yeah.. I am from FHM mag.. Want to make the big time baby.. Now can the girl at the rear just reach around to the one at the front more...click .. front page Roberts Screen Saver..
- Pogmohoin
Damn. Best photo you've ever taken!
- Mike Flynn
You could also be gay, or female, but that would be in a non-geek-centric universe, so I could be wrong. ;)
- Lisa Norman
Me: confronted with this scene, I'm a slut first, then a geek. ;) (Mike: hella observant!)
- Dennis Jernberg
I have a feeling this is going to show up in the daily "Best Of Your Friendfeed" for anyone subscribed to Scoble.
- Michael Owens
Michael: You're right! This one wins the whole day. ;)
- Dennis Jernberg
Also, there is an iPod in the background -- clearly these are Apple Fan-girls.
- Bill Grant
"Android? Oh, haven't met him yet. Is he still at the party?" *leaves room*
- Micah Wittman
What were we talking about again?
- Derrich
Bill: Sure enough, iPod, docked.
- Dennis Jernberg
The girl at the right said her name was Ashley. Actually she said she was "Smashley." love that.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Ashley owes me money and I better not run into her or her face would be smashley
- Jeunelle Foster
Bill: yup. I picked up on the iPod very quickly at the party. I am hoping Ashley sends me her play list!
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
@Micah -- Me: "No, that's Mandroid. He stayed home. Wasn't cool enough. Android is...(way short explanation)"
- Dennis Jernberg
If you take a picture of three beautiful girls, post it on FF, and your first inclination is to write a caption that includes the words Ubuntu, iphone Apps and Android - OR if you comment on such a post... You are definitely a geek.
- Rob Rose
By the way none of the three had been to Europe so they couldn't help me with good places to get wifi for LeWeb.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
If you help them sign up for Facebook, FriendFeed, and Twitter, you're a geek.
- imabonehead
Well they don't look like they know how to boil rice
- Jeunelle Foster
Been to Europe?? Man did they say the best thing that come out of Europe was "The Final Countdown" from their Daddy's "86 with a Bullet" tape!! http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- Pogmohoin
This scene was the geek's dream while posting this. :)
- Bundit
imabonehead: actually they are already on Facebook. Which says something about how mainstream Facebook has gotten.
- Robert Scoble
All the Facebook friends in my family (except for my brother) are definitely nongeeks.
- Dennis Jernberg
anyone reading this is a geek
- Brendon Wadey
++++++++++GooglePlex, Akiva!
- Melanie Reed
Well I know I'm a geek. When someone like me, who spends a lot of time helping a sexy geek like Marina Orlova of http://hotforwords.com because she speaks geek and is enjoyable to work with. I might even venture to say she's a bit of a computer nerd. When Marina wakes up the first thing she does is check her email. When she gets ready for bed she can be found tweeting before she retires...
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- Captain Jack
Captain Jack: she sounds cool. What apps does she have on her iPhone?
- Robert Scoble
Were they impressed by the size of your lens, Robert?
- Vezquex: God of FF
Raphael: I didn't have that with me tonight. Was going low key. :-)
- Robert Scoble
wow
- EhsanDiary
If Robert had taken that shot with is 600mm, he would have had to have been 3 blocks away and you would be able to see the the flecks of color in their eyes :) You are looking at their eyes right?? -- My first thought was well, they can't be geeks as everyone knows true Geeks drink Red Bull not Monster :P Monster isn't all bad, they are big supporters of Surfrider and International Surfing day ----> Surfing Geek
- Luke Kilpatrick
If you're a geek, why are you asking someone else for help with your Ubuntu installation? Shouldn't you figuring that out yourself? Turn in your geek card, now.
- Andy Bakun
Yeah, they'd have to ask you to help with their Ubuntu installation. Except if they don't know what Android is, they probably haven't heard of Ubuntu either.
- Dennis Jernberg
This Ubuntu question can relate this photo and the Ubuntu logo, then that's a geeky question. (I mean this http://www.flickr.com/photos... )
- Mahmood Padura
I guess I'm a dirty old man.
- D Lets
from iPhone
Actually, I was going to ask what the gadget was on top of the microwave-minifridge combo.
- Jay Cuthrell
I'm guessing it's an MP3 player (in the slot) and some kind of speaker array combo?
- Jay Cuthrell
I guess the answer is: regardless of whatever you do, you are a geek :-)
- Ethan Gahng
It would be a lot easier to tell if those three people were not in the way of the shiny thing in the back of the photo.
- Jay Cuthrell
I think Robert took this photo just to keep me wondering all night about that mystery device.
- Jay Cuthrell
Geek here :) I'd do a print 'Hello, Girls !'
- Ahsan Ali aka. Slick
damn it Scoble! I have to like this.
- rob friedman
looks like my weekends
- sean percival
did they recognize you as the "scobleizer" ???
- zʍıɔ
New blog topic: the decline and fall of FriendFeed
- A Mitchell
What's that coming over then hill?
- Nick B.
"Well, hello there, sexy ladies! Would you like to come up to my place and read my @scobleizer feed? Hmm?" -bow-chicka-wow-wow-
- Kevin Leroux
wow. I couldn't even make out what was that thing in the BG. I noticed the additional thumb/thigh in front -so that makes me a photo geek??
- jomarhilario
Oh my! Now I'm sure I'm not a geek! Hahaha they are beautiful as hell!
- Rafael
if you find this picture of these attractive women on this page you are probably a geek...even if you don't read every single comment...including this one.
- Lee Sachs
Some of us geeks know what we're doing with women.
- Tyler Hurst
true dat,, you really can have it all
- Zachary Adam Cohen
from email
Oh, how gorgeous. You've got to love that Ipod design.
- James Kuypers
I can tell the way the Hottie on da Right is looking at me that she really likes ME a lot!!!
- Billy Warhol
@James I hereby award you the true geek award for your spotting of the iPod in this picture. =P (Special mention to the others who said MP3 player) - Silver iPod Nano I would think.
- Travis Koger
Perhaps you need to add this app to your iPhone: http://www.beakerbreakers.com/nerdale...
- Chad McCoskey
from iPhone
Admit it: you told them you were Philip Seymour Hoffman.
- Maxwell Kennerly
Two things. 1) Geeks do it better AND 2) they're not sluts... they're leveraging their assets... more power to them
- Ankush Narula
davşan kızlara benziyorlar beaaa.
- Pilot23
Really lol Scoble maybe u had been having 2 much fun @ the racetrack & geeks does attract some attractive wolla
- polou/indigo_bow
Funny old world three attractive women in a fun pose at a launch party and it creates enormous interest? Funny how things never really change in human habits, geek yep that's me but this article made me smile a lot, keep snapping away Robert.
- Ian Wright
If you are writing a disclaimer on a picture, you took at a party, because you don't want to be locked out of the house by your wife, you are a SMART geek:)
- Maryam Scoble
from iPhone
double like for Maryam :D
- Alberto D'Ottavi
+1 Maryam
- imabonehead
Best of day.
- beersage
If you ask them how big their racks are, and you mean rackspace server size, then you are a geek.
- Matt Soreco
If you whip out your iPhone, take their picture, and bring them home .... you're a HOT geek !
- Christopher Yeo
Totally....
- N.G. Gordon - RadarSync
Keep up the good work Scoble! :-)
- Garin Kilpatrick
Heh, love that Maryam commented on this. I miss her and my two buddies. I'm just wondering why TechCrunch doesn't have parties like Monster drinks! ;-)
- Robert Scoble
Robert, you'll just have to bring a case or two of Monster to your next TC visit and see what happens.... just make sure the cam is on.
- Jay Cuthrell
Jeez, I must not be geekish at all — *my* first thoughts are all carnal.
- Hieronymus Murphy
Me, I'm a mutant. ;)
- Dennis Jernberg
3 girls 2 cups
- HansVanRock
Only qx...which was your first impulse? I pray for your sake it was to throw down camera & decide where u were going to be in Blonde sandwich. :-)
- Brenda Rothaupt
Sponsored tweet = instant unfollow from me. That's the last thing I need in my stream. #azea
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Yeah - I don't get this. Does this mean I should stop listening to TWiT because it has sponsorships? If I disclose my relationship and truly mean what I say I don't see how it's any different.
- Jesse Stay
Screw you Laporte, screw you! Had to be done for humor's sake.
- John Utech
Aggred
- Eevee
The difference is that Twitter users don't need to be sponsored to continue tweeting. When Leo takes on sponsors, it helps him continue to operate. With Twitter sponsorships, the tweet is less genuine because the only content involved is the paid-for message.
- Eric Geller
Chris Pirillo is a founding member of that big sponsored tweet thing, but I wouldn't expect any less from the little shit.
- Mark
Eric, maintaining a large Twitter audience takes time and effort - is that not worth anything? Community is definitely worth money, and isn't exactly cheap.
- Jesse Stay
This is true, but the fact of the matter is that you DO NOT need sponsorships to tweet. You may want them, but they are not physically necessary.
- Eric Geller
Leo, on the other hand, needs sponsor money just to pay his staff, never mind the loads of operational costs such as equipment and bandwidth.
- Eric Geller
Eric, I don't need a sponsorship to blog, or to podcast either. It doesn't mean I can't. I just don't need it. It uses the same types of technology as a Tweet.
- Jesse Stay
StayNAlive.com, my blog, has no sponsorships
- Jesse Stay
If you guys think Leo could do his podcasts without sponsors, I'd like to hear why.
- Eric Geller
Holden, I know people that would
- Jesse Stay
lets face it, in this world, we need to convince people to buy crap they probably don't need. wether that's a silly goto meeting thing or a sponsored twitter post.
- Mark
Blogs and Twitter accounts, however, require much less in the way of money.
- Eric Geller
Mark: GoToMeeting is actually targeted at Leo's podcast listeners. It's not silly at all.
- Eric Geller
well its all silly really, that's advertising for you. you convince people to buy things they didn't know they needed or wanted.
- Mark
Mark: The difference is that Leo isn't pushy about it. He tells you the virtues of the product from hands-on experience, but he doesn't go out of his way to tell you that you NEED it.
- Eric Geller
At least not in the telemarketer, TV infomercial way.
- Eric Geller
Holden, I'm considering it. As I am Tweets - it's the same types of technology, and involves similar time and effort to build community for, in both cases. Different strategies for each, but both are content distributors, and community builders. If I'm trying to build a community, it takes money to spend time nurturing that community full time.
- Jesse Stay
Totally agree Leo. Yuck. Feh! It's social spam of the worst kind. Pirillo et al are ruining it for everybody doing authentic advocate activation.
- Thom Kennon
And btw, you better bet Twitter plays a role in helping Leo's podcasts. It's just a matter of which medium are you going to use to monetize those podcasts?
- Jesse Stay
I never said Twitter didn't help promote Leo's podcasts. I said that a podcast network costs significantly more money to run than a Twitter account.
- Eric Geller
would be nice if twit had more sponsors though, he is selling the same 2 or 3 products to a market which is not growing and has heard all the spiel before on each product
- Mark
Eric, and you have to monetize it somehow - what if he decided to use Twitter to monetize that podcast network in the end? I don't see how that's any different than what he's currently doing.
- Jesse Stay
Holden: If you need someone to pay you to build a group of friends and supporters on Twitter, something is wrong. Do what you can naturally. Getting paid to have people follow you is too artificial for what Twitter really is.
- Eric Geller
read this http://econsultancy.com/blog...
- Mark
A tweet from @shoemoney to his 60,000+ followers will set you back $324.60
- Mark
Holden: The difference is that Leo buys actual equipment, pays employees, and pays for monumental amounts of bandwidth. I doubt you do any of that for your Twitter account.
- Eric Geller
if any ad company pays $324 for that crap they want shooting
- Mark
Fuck you all if you try and compare this to what Leo does. Leo is a saint compaired to this: http://socialspark.com/blogs...
- Mark
Holden. Sponsorship is important for some podcasts as bandwidth is about 98% of our running costs. Therefore, more popular you get, the more it costs you. We have affiliate sponsors on our show but have yet to cover the cost of money spent on delivering that show.
- Johnny Worthington
from iPhone
Pirillo will write a phoney blog entry for your product if you pay him $1000
- Mark
Pirillo is scum.
- Thom Kennon
http://socialspark.com/blogs... Pirillo IS scum
- Mark
the comments on the blog mark are...lame... lol ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
Mark, are you serious?!?! How is what Pirillo is doing any different than what Leo is doing? So I can do it in a podcast but not in a blog post? Seems like you have a bone to pick.
- Jesse Stay
yeah he is spamming threads with that link.. and saying he is scum.. look at a few threads..
- Rob Sellen :o)
Damn Jesse, now I am a hypocrite :(
- Mark
Well, I just think its a bit wrong is all, all this sponsored tweeting and stuff
- Mark
Mark, you seem like a prick that likes to bitch and moan. Chris Pirillo is not that bad, nor is Leo Laporte.
- Danny Minick
Jesse: Pirillo writes stuff for hire, pretending to be an unbiased advocate and then pushes that out into the stream hoping to fool people re its authenticity. Get it?
- Thom Kennon
Well I said Leo was a saint, it's Pirillo who would fall into the instant unfollow from me criteria set by Leo
- Mark
but why are you giving prillo so many backlinks by spamming threads here??
- Rob Sellen :o)
whats a backlink? you mean like promotion ?
- Mark
Mark: Chris Pirillo helps people and if you don't see that by now, you shouldn't be following him to begin with.
- Danny Minick
If you found out that Chen or any of the guys on Gizmodo or BGR were actually being paid by the brands of products they reviewed would you still take their advice?
- Thom Kennon
Am not following him, it's Leo who said "Sponsored tweet = instant unfollow from me".
- Mark
Thom, you were fooled by that? Of course Pirillo gets paid for what he does. How else would he be able to sit in front of a computer all day long. I don't think anyone is fooled by that, nor is he trying to fool anyone.
- Jesse Stay
mark.. maybe you should stop and THINK before you do stuff... you are slamming him.. yet helping him with backlinks... LOL you know... he may get MORE 1000 buck cheques because if you... ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
I guess im just jealous of the fact that I have to work for a living, and go out and do a job and he gets paid $1000 to write a phoney blog post in his wordpress editor :)
- Mark
Mark... whos fault is you have to "go out" and work for a living? no ones but yours...
- Rob Sellen :o)
Mark: He worked hard to get where he is at today.
- Danny Minick
In fact you can watch Pirillo during the day working out the deals with sponsors. He's always been all about the sponsor. If you followed him you'd know that.
- Jesse Stay
Danny M - But you claim to "blog for others" so that's pretty much the same model as Pirillo's, right?
- Thom Kennon
well I am a nurse, there are lots of people who do need to go out and do real jobs to keep the world ticking by. I just hate the fact some people make a fortune devising plans to give clients more hits on google and I bust my ass. Jealousy, I know.
- Mark
Mark.. what is to STOP you creating your own REAL asset online in order to do something similar?
- Rob Sellen :o)
Yes, Thom. I do blog for others, and that includes Chris.
- Danny Minick
well if everyone did that the world would fall apart or something :D
- Mark
NO mark.. there is an eternal september...remember ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
Today I cleaned a wound a boy had from a dog bite and I was on my knees with blood on my hands and I just thought when reading this thread that I wish I could sit in front of 3 30" monitors and talk about tech on youtube and get paid big $$$. Sigh. :D
- Mark
I would happily take a thousand bucks to write a post on your stuff.... not that you would get millions of hits..and as for "ethics"... it PUTS bread in my cupboard.. but you would ALSO have to let me use whatever it is..and give an HONEST opinion... ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
Mark: So you were hating on him because of what he has?
- Danny Minick
well DO that then Mark.. instead of moaning OTHERS success, look at where you CAN write about some "shit" passionately... and DO it...
- Rob Sellen :o)
naa I do think it's wrong, I guess Leo does too, the whole pay me to post thing
- Mark
and to be fair Danny you cannot comment objectivley, you are on his payroll?
- Mark
Mark: No, but I get a share of his ad revenue.
- Danny Minick
that's YOUR opinion mark.. you got no place calling him scum and slamming him... also think about what I said.. you are indirectly helping him ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
you have a vested interest then, whereas I am just a bitter old git hehe
- Mark
Jesse, of course WE all get it. I'm talking about the targeted audience of innocents that those paid for posts are meant to target. It is deceptive advertising, and those who practice it are bringing the FTC and other agencies in to land on ALL OF US ... it's uncool, that a handful of opportunistic knuckleheads will end up polluting and hampering the channel for the rest of us. I'm a...
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- Thom Kennon
All you have to do is get to know him, Mark. And in turn you develop a friendship. That's what I did, now I blog for him, do YouTube videos with him, etc. It's not that hard. And you find out he's good guy. Who loves helping people.
- Danny Minick
Mark.. can I ask you something.. don't you think you have a more "honourable" and "rewarding" job than prillo? money is NOT everything mark... How many post do you think prillo writes at that price? not as many as you think i bet...
- Rob Sellen :o)
Thom, I don't think Izea is trying to target any of those. Izea makes it evident on their site they have a firm policy on FULL disclosure. They have always been reputable.
- Jesse Stay
you are a darling, dear Rob x
- Mark
techcrunch not a fan of Izea?
- Mark
No.. I am not... but I DO know that in reality, you are probably changing more lives than you realise...
- Rob Sellen :o)
right about now someone posts a url to the article in question :D
- Mark
Then again Techcrunch don't need Izea... ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
I think TechCrunch has a bias against Izea. Of course they're going to be against them.
- Jesse Stay
TechCrunch has many bias'es I am sure :)
- Mark
so mark... do you think there are many people who would like to be a nurse? If so.. why are you not sharing your experiences on a blog or something? Helping others?
- Rob Sellen :o)
Well Rob, the pay is average, the conditions are often unpleasant, and the patients frequently drunk (on the night shifts which I work anyways). They are also violent!
- Mark
But I do live in Britain and work in the middle of a very poor area.
- Mark
No excuse ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
Amen.
- Robert Scoble
So mark. you have a unique perspective... use it ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
Do you think we really care Leo?
- Craig Shipp
If their life revolves around Leo Laporte they need to get a life!
- Craig Shipp
Craig..ironic you comment on leo's post ;o) Ironic but.. Do you think Leo cares that you DON'T care? :o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
I don't think Leo cares. :x
- Danny Minick
Jesse, you gotta be kidding me! Izea? It's their biggest competitor for "sponsored" social - aka social spam. Here's a solution: At the top and bottom of every paid for post, comment, etc. all these guy need to do is display a big old fat disclaimer: "This post was paid for by the brand/product mentioned". And this disclaimer must travel with that content wherever it wends it way thru...
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- Thom Kennon
I doubt he reads all this crap. He just stirs things up to keep his twit army happy so he can make money off sponsors that he doesn't want others to have. Talk about ironic. I watch many of Leo's shows and enjoy them but sometimes he thinks he's some kind of God. Trying to shut down twitvid - what a joke!
- Craig Shipp
Thom, Izea does require that of all sponsored Tweets if I read them right. Full disclosure is required.
- Jesse Stay
Wow! Shame on you Leo LaPorte. That's very hypocritical of you. ><
- David C. Cooper
I have the same sentiments when it comes to being spammed via Twitter. And the same reaction. Instant unfollow.
- Chris Marquardt
If anyone knows how to get an auto spam off of your tweet account please let me know. I signed up for this thinking it was a good thing. Then I wanted to quit cause they spam through my account. How do I get it to stop? I changed my password already. "300 new twitter followers in a day - TOTALLY FREE - NO SALE - http://www.twitter-follow-train.info/" all spammers must die!
- Nathan Gibbs
Nathan, easiest solution: Don't follow the spammer in the first place. If you need the automation, on SocialToo we provide some tools to help you keep from following the spammers. I'm improving those even further as we speak.
- Jesse Stay
I suspect that you've had sponsored tweets in your stream for a while now and don't know it Leo.
- Scott Jangro
i agree with you Leo I have had enough:)
- Rob Cairns
What's the difference between a sponsored tweet and talking about your own products?
- Jason Nunnelley
You all make some interesting points. Maybe a sponsored tweet is no different than an advertisement in a podcast, but it sure feels different. I'll have to think about this some more. (By the way that "thank the sponsor in your Twitter feed" is a Jason Calacanis thing. I never ask folks to do that.)
- Leo Laporte
Leo, I'm definitely interested in your thoughts. I don't fully understand the difference. And not disclosing the relationship is pretty much a form of payola and could almost be deemed illegal, so I'm definitely not for that. With disclosure though, I'm not sure the difference from a podcast or blog sponsorship.
- Jesse Stay
gah - sorry for the dupes!
- Jesse Stay
When it comes to blogs I don't think ads should appear in the blog stream, but they're fine in a sidebar. I guess it has to do with expectations. There ALWAYS needs to be a clear delineation between editorial and advertising and ads should not appear in places where editorial is expected. (Interstitial advertising in TV in radio seems to be the exception here and I think it's, again, an expectation thing. Of course in TV, radio, and podcasts there's nowhere else to put the ads.)
- Leo Laporte
agreed. just started a blog and put that into consideration!
- Dakota O'Neill
It comes down to intent. Is it the intent of the ad to pose as content? Then it's an attempt to trick users and not ok. Ads that appear in a content stream are often intended to fool people into thinking they're content not advertising.
- Leo Laporte
Interesting way to put it, Leo. I think Twitter has the same problem though - nowhere to put the ads but in the stream.
- Jesse Stay
You forget about one thing: twitter is based on the limitation of its messages. So when it comes to advertising/sponsoring it's the same as with mobile apps: because of the limitation of space it's dangerous ground.
- Regine Heidorn
Although you could argue even with a podcast, ads could be put on the site that the podcast resides. Most blog posts aren't read on the site they are published on, similar to a podcast.
- Jesse Stay
Twitter can monetize twitter without confusion - not sure if Twitter users can.
- Leo Laporte
Not really Jesse - podcasts are designed to be consumed elsewhere. The ad has to go with the show.
- Leo Laporte
I agree though - disclosure is key. I don't see any problem though with a person disclosing their relationship with, say, Pedigree dog chow, and then Tweeting about "their sponsor", pedigree dog chow
- Jesse Stay
Leo, I design my blog posts to be consumed via RSS - what's different from that?
- Jesse Stay
Then I presume you include the ads in your RSS? If not, you're not going to be able to monetize the blog. However, if your ads are indistinguishable from your posts you're trying to trick your readers and they'll bolt eventually. I have no problem with obvious ads in RSS. I hate "pay per post" blogs and avoid them like the plague they are. Ads need to look (or sound) like ads - not content.
- Leo Laporte
BTW Leo, I say all this in full respect for you - I've been following TWiT since your first show, and Screen Savers long before that. I'm a big fan!
- Jesse Stay
Thanks Jesse. I'm not offended. This is an important conversation, and you've made me rethink my original tweet. Or at least, consider it more fully. AND this is something old media types like me can bring to the table. You youngsters need to understand how to monetize without compromising your content. Something we've spent a lot of time thinking about.
- Leo Laporte
Leo, understood on the Pay per Post model. I may agree with you there - that is definitely different than including ads at the top and/or bottom of the RSS post. The monetization thing is something I'm definitely still trying to figure out. Content should not be compromised.
- Jesse Stay
The form factor makes it all-too-easy to make snap judgments - that's why I like the edit function
- heretic_twit
Twitter, however, may still be more comparable to the podcast/radio/tv model though. It's more of a "live stream" than a blog post.
- Jesse Stay
Scoble calls it the "world-wide talk show"
- Jesse Stay
Well we'll see how people feel when/if these ads become widespread. I predict that people who do it regularly will see their followers plummet. There's not enough value in most twitter streams to put up with ads. Furthermore, the reason advertisers want these (and pay per posts) is that they are stealth ads, in other words, they fool people. If there's the potential to confuse people about whether it's an ad, it's a problem.
- Leo Laporte
I say sponsor FriendFeed over twitter
- heretic_twit
Leo, I agree - I think if done right, it could be accepted amongst only certain Twitterers. There's no way it will work amongst the general population though. Chris Pirillo, for instance, I think could get away with it.
- Jesse Stay
"This tweet brought to you by Carl's Jr" </Idiocracy>
- Neal Krummell
Hear, hear! :-)
- Mathew A. Koeneker
And a bulk sponsored @ tweet get an instant block from me as well. (After I confirm the account hasn't been compromised by a Bot of course.)
- Paul Greeve
Leo, you say, "Ads need to look (or sound) like ads - not content," but your show's ads sound like content. They are conversational and personalized. But they are also clearly delineated as ads and your views/listeners can easily distinguish them as sponsorship messages and separate from your show content. Now with sponsored tweets how is this different if they are clearly marked as ads/sponsored?
- Scott Magoon
I am not eager to see this on twitter, but I don't see it as the end of civilization either. It's really easy to make a follow/unfollow decision so why don't we just allow for a "marketplace" solution where everyone votes with their actions and sponsored tweets live or die based on the results.
- Scott Magoon
what is a sponsored tweet Leo?
- howardrs
Is a Psychopath Attacking Twitter, Facebook? - http://www.wired.com/epicent...
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It sounds like no one actually knows who is doing it - multiple groups are claiming ownership to it (and denying it)
- Jesse Stay
You would have figured we were past these kinds of technical attacks
- Owen Greaves
Is there a WordPress plug-in to automatically push new posts to FriendFeed via the API?
Nicola Greco, Robert Higgins, (jeff)isageek and 100 other people liked this
Instead of just having a new post show up as a title and a link when the system gets around to checking your feed, you could push an excerpt and an image to FriendFeed the instant the post goes up.
- Ken Sheppardson
There is a WordPress plugin to support SUP, which would accomplish the "instant" part of your goal: http://wordpress.org/extend.... To get images you just need to support MediaRSS (I believe there is also a WordPress plugin for that).
- Benjamin Golub
Cool, where do I sign...........?
- Kevin J Hatton
Nice idea!
- Don Bonaddio
Nice. I will use this... Thank ;)
- Semih Masat ™
Benjamin: I knew somebody'd mention SUP :-) I'd rather not add some intermediate service/protocol, I just want the ability push directly via a single plug-in, preferably with a UI component that gives you control over what image or images are added, select the excerpt, select what groups the post goes to, etc.
- Ken Sheppardson
What I want is probably similar to what Ken you want - something to push the title & link& image as a post, and an excerpt as a comment to FriendFeed, which would then go to Twitter. The group selecter would be ultra cool on top of that
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Yeah, I'm using PUB-Sup, but what would be even more interesting is something that pushes, and tracks comments of the pushed post at the same time. I'd like to have real-time comments on each blog post.
- Jesse Stay
You're too cool to just grab your own RSS feed?
- Matthew DeVries
Matthew: Yes.
- Ken Sheppardson
;) gotcha
- Matthew DeVries
Ken: Have you seen this one: http://sudarmuthu.com/wordpre...
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Just found it, looking into it now
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
WP-Sup (http://neothoughts.com/wp-sup/) + MediaRSS (http://wordpress.org/extend...) plugins will do the job
- Bwana ☠
Rob: Cool. Looks like Sudar's around http://friendfeed.com/sudar Maybe he'll drop by...
- Ken Sheppardson
Just sent him a tweet. Hopefully he'l join us :) Looks to be in india
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
The SUP plugin doesn't add an intermediate protocol. It does exactly what FriendFeed wants from your site. It adds a line of code to your header and pings their API everytime you publish. Works perfectly to publish posts realtime to FriendFeed (and then on to Twitter, etc.) In fact, I've still not got used to publishing a post and seeing a notification on my desktop from FriendFeed from my post a half second later.
- Joss Winn
OK, I get it, guys. I know how SUP works and I know you can use SUP and MediaRSS to accomplish what I want. But I don't want to ping some API to tell it to go pull something from a feed... I want to make a single call to the FriendFeed API designed for creating entries http://code.google.com/p...
- Ken Sheppardson
Shouldn't be that hard to build. You can do it Ken :)
- Bwana ☠
Bwana: I think Sudar has already. :-) I'm going to put his implementation through its paces over the weekend.
- Ken Sheppardson
Oh ok cool... Hmmm.. I'd try it, but I'm not sure how it'll affect Backtype Connect on my blog. I want to be sure the FF comments get pulled in correctly.
- Bwana ☠
Bwana: not sure exactly what you want to try - but in general any entry that links to your posts will be connected by BT Connect -- we do of course try our best to cut out things like auto snippets of text that appear as comments when using the FF bookmarklet.
- Mike Montano
Mike - I just wanted to be sure if I remove my RSS feed from FriendFeed and use this solution, will my comments get pulled back into my blog. I gather the plugin would have to only link to my blog from FriendFeed, and Backtype does the rest
- Bwana ☠
Yeah, it seems like once the plugin creates the entry on FriendFeed with a link to your blog post, you're home free, no matter how that entry is created.
- Ken Sheppardson
I like I like
- Michael Ehline
Hi Guys, nice to know that the Plugin (Post2FF) which I created around 9 months back is of use to someone :) I am take the code dust it off and will add the new features that you requested. Stay tuned :)
- Sudar
Awesome! Thank you very much Sudar!
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Of note, Sudar: it would be most handy if we could select the link that is published on the entry - either the linkt ot the blog entry or the ff.im link. (wasn't clear to me if the API actually supports this?) On most of my blog posts, I'd like to direct people straight to the post, but someone or some entries might prefer linking to the FriendFeed post/discussion
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
I am done with the modifications to my Plugin to add new features like choosing the room to which the link to be posted, selecting images etc. Will release it after completing the testing. If anyone is willing to do beta testing, just ping me.
- Sudar
I'd love to give it a try :-)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Yay Sudar with his remedy to dust off (Post2FF)
- Janaree Nore
Sudar: Ping. :-)
- Ken Sheppardson
@Ken, Please DM your email address and I will send the Plugin for beta testing. If everything goes well, I will be able to release the Plugin tomorrow by this time.
- Sudar
Sudar, sounds interesting. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
So guys, finally I have updated my Post to FriendFeed Plugin with support for rooms. You can get the new version at http://sudarmuthu.com/blog...
- Sudar
Also let me know if you face any issues.
- Sudar
I want it thanks Sudar!
- Robert Freeze
Are we able to do the revere post from FF -> Wordpress, not as a rss thing but as a post?
- Chirag Chamoli
@Chirag, I am not sure if I understood your question. Can you explain it a bit?
- Sudar
nice! like the idea Ken.
- .LAG liked that
I wanted to understand If I can autopost from friendfeed to Wordpress. I am using the rss feed in the sidebar, instead I want the stuff to be added to wordpress as a post.
- Chirag Chamoli
from email
@Chirag, You can install WP-O-Mattic WordPress Plugin (http://devthought.com/project...) and use the FF rss as input to publish from FF -> WordPress. (I haven't tried it, so not sure if it will work 100%)
- Sudar
@Sundar: Thanks I will start working on that.
- Chirag Chamoli
As I understand it SUP won't work for Feedburner feeds.
- Rutger Blom
I am interested in using Sundar's plugin. Is it compatible with WordPress 2.8.3?
- Skyler Call
@Skyler Call, It should be compatible, since it doesn't use any functions which were changed in 2.8+ Anyways I will check it and will bump up the supported version in readme file.
- Sudar
Commenting just changed for bloggers with JS-Kit Echo - http://scobleizer.com/2009...
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I always figured FriendFeed would get something out like this first with some kind of auto-embeddable widget. Echo looks great though, and I can't wait to get in on http://punchingkitty.com
- Mike Flynn
I love the idea, it looks like a great resource
- Scott Klauminzer
I just wanted to say that this Echo uses alot of CPU cycles. I am using Google Chrome and every time the page updates I get lag. Maybe its just my system?
- Mark
it's very slow - and fails out when trying to login with Google Profile
- andy brudtkuhl
its a wonderful service, but, yes, seems a little slow. Clicking on the emoticon box caused it to have a minor stroke on my pc
- Mark
@Mark please email me details about your PC setup (browser etc etc) to chris@js-kit.com so we can track down the issue for you
- Chris Saad
Seems a great idea and really works well. Nice functionality! However, I only think it could be useful for news sites (e.g. techcrunch that are commment-insensitive. Realtime matters for them.
- Kris
"paid by the minute" - there you planted a thought, Robert ;) I still associate all the more advanced features with the possibilies of Google-Wave as the underlying infrastructure for these 'real-time'-blogging/commenting elements. What will become more important for mortals is how are ordinary people going to learn to devide the 'noise' from the 'signals'? How are you managing the...
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- Alex 'BuckyBit' Covic
It will probably get a bit quicker as time goes on
- Robert D'Alesio
speed was an issue for both disqus and intense debate at various points in their history.. it does seem a bit slow to load at first but looks like its cached after. Given this is the first site and its not completely launched it sounds like they might have some work to do on performance?
- Riaz Kanani
but after it is cached pulling in a long list of comments is speedy..
- Riaz Kanani
Desktop Hog [Look Closely!]
Kol Tregaskes, Eralee Rivera, Vezquex: God of FF and 37 other people liked this
whoa
- pea
That's impressive
- Josh Haley
working hard :)
- mikepk
How many folders are there on the desktop?
- Arda "quirda" Arıcan
hmmm, can we have this in a dmg disk image format for copy/paste ease?
- Jonathan Flusser, Jr.
Wow. I'm stunned.
- ha3rvey (needs soup)
It's amazing how creative you can be when there's deadlines looming and you don't wanna do nuttin...!
- WorldofHiglet
wow all files! that is awesome!
- Alpha Computing
I love the Alice/Cheshire Cat detail as well.
- Call me Bronco
Very cool
- TheHenry
SPIDERPIG!
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Does anything a Spider Pig can!
- John Wang
AWESOME! (Here's hoping Scott doesn't see this...)
- Ladybug Heather
ESPN should knock it off with the homerun tracker and show a giant CNN Hologram Wolf Blitzer destroying the St. Louis skyline #hrderby - http://twitter.com/latroin...
Mike Flynn liked this
Somehow I never heard of The Printed Blog until today, when it shut down. You were all spared my derisive laughter. http://theprintedblog.com/
Mike Flynn, Matthew Gifford, anna sauce and 2 other people liked this
I know. Insane.
- Mark
Some chap said this on TC in response to MY derisive laughter: "It was a great idea. But only had to find the right market. I could see it doing well in a market like Japan or China. Some parts of the U.S. but the appreciation would have to be very high. Only smart people can see the diamond in the rough."
- Mark
Apparantly only smart people could see what a good idea it was to print off blog posts and put them on news stands.
- Mark
"pleasurably tactile" wouldn't have made it over the desk of any major editor (without derisive laughter)
- anna sauce
Guys, do me a favour. Go to TechCrunch and leave a comment to a post with "Dave Winer" in it somewhere. Did your comment get held for moderation and not appear instantly like normal? Or maybe it was just a glitch for me.
- Mark
feedly: a magazine-like start page - http://tedroden.posterous.com/feedly-...
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via feedly.com I tried feedly a few months ago and uninstalled it right away after being unimpressed. I just reinstalled it yesterday, it's awesome now. Permalink | Leave a comment »
- Ted Roden
Sorry, I'm trying to figure out how to best post from posterous (a service that I rarely use) to Friendfeed. Everything I've tried doesn't work very well. I may not do it after all.
- Ted Roden
I tried feedly once, when I tried it, it required software to run. Mega turn off, since I commonly use not-my computers.
- Matthew DeVries
Spotify, UK startup http://m.kyte.tv/ch...
Mike Flynn, Jer White, Charlotte M and 12 other people liked this
Spotify is awesome. Waiting for their mobile app.
- Petteri
I am using it via proxy --as they dont allow connections from Turkey-- and very happy with it. Just found 9.99€ is too much
- Jacque
That'll be Swedish right?:P Radio is rubbish but on demand music is cool
- Luke
Yes, its Swedish. Wonder how many others are wrong.
- Tim Child
Sorry, yes it's Swedish, I'm seeing them all in UK which I should have explained.
- Robert Scoble
Spotify is pure awesomeness. Using it for a while now. In fact even as I write this.
- Sven
I like what I've seen of the company, the UK people are pretty active at London tech meetings
- Rachel Clarke
Spotify has some very annoying audio ads running in France. All my friends and I stopped using it when it started interrupting lounge and classical music with aggressive rap ads. For weeks, it played the same ad, over and over, at loud volume. And you're forced to listen since decreasing the volume pauses the ad. I'm not against audio ad, but without any targeting... just don't.
- Jérôme Flipo
Spotify changed my life - I think it's the single most important development in music this century. I like it so much I started a blog about it (http://www.pansentient.com) and went premium a few weeks ago, as they now have high-quality (q9) streaming.
- Jer White
Rihanna Bares Boobs at Independence Day Bash - http://www.inquisitr.com/28396...
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Mike Flynn and Kevin J Hatton liked this
i can't "like" this because my wife is on here but i'll leave a comment ;)
- Tyler Gillies
Yeah I don't 'like' it either............
- Kevin J Hatton
xkcd - A Webcomic - Cutting Edge - http://xkcd.com/606/
Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF, Poor Gamer, yasin ghasemi and 33 other people liked this
To be fair the portal jokes were a little O_O even when they were fresh.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Anyone know what the cake bit is a reference to?
- Arthur Guy
Thanks
- Arthur Guy
this is totally me. my lag time is more like 7 years though
- Imabug
Dudes, the main character from Metroid's a chick!
- Mike Lewis
A chick named Justin Bailey, amirite?
- Daniel J. Pritchett
from IM
The last game I played was Starcraft, so I understand.
- Victor Ganata
sadly, i have only recently discovered the hysterically funny song "Still Alive." for those of you who don't mind having the end of the game spoiled: http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- Karim
This is the best XKCD!
- Alex Scoble
Daniel's right - if your friends were into Portal when it first came out, they could not stop talking about the damn cake for weeks.
- Andrew C
This is either everything wrong with the internet, or everything right. I can't decide. Cat Madness [VIDEO] - http://www.buzzfeed.com/expresi...
Kevin, David Peake, Carol Levesque and 22 other people liked this
That was crazy sick- lol
- Garmon Estes
Well I just had a seizure. Thanks.
- Louis Simoneau
Seizure, indeed!
- Alex Scoble
BEST.
- cecily
Good god.. I could only make it about 1:30 before I had to shut it off. Almost 3 and a half minutes of that?! XD
- Haggis (Sean Loyless)
had to turn it off 30 seconds in, seems taking on a couple of Mechanical Turk project tasks would have been more productive for both the creator and the viewers
- Lou Paglia
All I have to say is. LOL.
- Lindsay
WTF is wrong with me. I just watched the whole thing. Help.
- Sparky
Lou, it gets pretty magical at 2 minutes.
- Veronica
It's everything wrong; I'm not epileptic and yet it induced a fit
- Nick Wade
Greatest video ever!
- Fee501st
wow really too early in the morning for that one LOL
- Moved to Facebook
I'm glad I'm not the only one who watched the whole thing.
- Michael McKean
I had to do without sound here at my work, but insane it was.
- Ton Zijp
ok fine, this is the best video of the day, narrowly beating out: http://friendfeed.com/sarahla...
- Sarah Lane
Demented. I agree with your headline, Veronica. The Buzzfeed comments show where we're headed. Entire conversations reduced to OMG WTF ORLY LOL. OMGWTF.
- Kamilah Gill
That's entirely too much cats for one video... LOL
- William McCamment
#Gmail has awesome new Labels functionality! Is this why they disabled the "Right-side label" lab feature? Hell yes!
Seth Greenblatt, Russ Jackson, Roland Hörmann and 30 other people liked this
I'm so jazzed about this! It just rolled out in my company's Google Apps Gmail. Waiting to get it for my personal acct.
- Chieze Okoye
Slick. I was wondering why my right-side labels disappeared!
- Mitch
Still waiting for it to be rolled out for me.
- Joshua
Just got mine. Interesting...You drag the "folder" aka label onto the email and it applies it. Backwards from what Outlook peeps might be used to but I like it.
- Josh Haley
Good move. Using it to clean up my 150 messages in the inbox.
- Ben Hanten
Might take a bit getting used to dragging labels onto emails, rather than emails into labels.
- Joshua
believe it works both ways joshua
- Frankie Warren
OMG. Dragging the label to the thread 'Labels' the thread (and keeps it in your inbox or wherever you're looking). Dragging the thread to the label 'Moves' the thread (and removes it from your inbox or wherever you're looking). That is brilliant.
- Chieze Okoye
PS: to drag threads, you have to use the little eight dot grab section on the left of the thread checkboxes.
- Chieze Okoye
nice, it hit my personal acct now. Whee!
- Chieze Okoye
This new functionality forces me to rethink my labels. I see Chieze has "account & password" (I have registration), what's yours?
- Jérôme Flipo
Nifty stuff. The drag-and-drop seems a little slow in Firefox here, but it works well, otherwise.
- Tyson Key
Here we go. Microsoft is indexing Twitter but only feeds of people with high follower counts. Sick feeling. http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2009...
A.T., imabonehead, Ho John Lee and 8 other people liked this
Whoever made that decision obviously doesn't use Twitter too much ;-)
- iconic88
It's disgusting. Free traffic for those on SUL.
- Mark
*pukes up a little vomit* ... To think that I have a bing sticker on my spare fridge /runs away
- Brian Daniel Eisenberg
from iPhone
In Microsoft's world to search for somebody's tweets I must a) know that that person has a twitter account and include "tweet" in the search phrase and b) know that that person is popular enough to be indexed by Bing. Wait, if I knew I was searching for that person's tweets - wouldn't I just search for them on Twitter?
- Nikolai Balba
Silly policy.
- LPH™ and his dog P™
from BuddyFeed
Higher counts means the possibility of higher retweets which = higher search ranking. Makes sense actually. Sucks but it makes sense.
- Ralph Whitbeck
Initially, yes. But it will roll out.
- Jamie
What is considered a High following?
- Owen Greaves
The reason the policy is silly is due to the use of an old idea that is used by Google, too. The old idea is to link to known sources. However, I go to a search engine to discover something new. If I already know the site or person then there is no value. This is why people stop going to aggregate sites after time because it becomes the same places over and over. The initial rush and...
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- LPH™ and his dog P™
from BuddyFeed
Seems like Bing is not the place to search for tweets, then.
- John (a.k.a. dendroica)
"I predict a return to blogging as people discover the power of being able to finish a thought" http://www.scripting.com/stories...
Annarella G., david beckwith, Tac Anderson and 154 other people liked this
I had thought blogging has been growing steadily, globally. Admittedly I don't have a good chart/stats for it.
- Mark Essel
I really like this statement - but will people return to blogging as we've known it?
- Tony
Are you perhaps over estimating the allure of thinking?
- Todd Hoff
Micro-blogging is good for idealets and infotainment, but it really is turning the web into a mindless medium like TV. Of course, there will always be the equivalent of PBS trying valiantly to raise the bar somewhat. Blogs will always have the possibility of transmitting real knowledge.
- Paul W. Homer
The interesting thing for me is I think we have lost the definition of what a blog is. Everybody jumped up and down about what Steve Rubel did, but really I see his change as a shift of platform. If he posted that same content on wordpress, nobody would have said a word. Just because he did it on posterous and called it a lifestream, people took issue with it. So, what is our definition then?
- Robert
I think Steve still has a weblog, he's just submitting posts to it in a "different" way. Like Dave's link says a weblog is "... a hierarchy of text, images, media objects and data, arranged chronologically, that can be viewed in an HTML browser." Pretty much sums it up, I think. Steve's post is going to generate attention, and debate, but in the end it's a weblog.
- Rob Fahrni
Robert, I know you're asking Dave a question, but I don't think the Posterious way goes against the definition. If I'm not mistaken Radio could post via e-mail, and I know Blogger supports this feature. Maybe I need to dig into Posterious a bit more but isn't that what it does?
- Rob Fahrni
Rob - That is my point. This in my mind is one of the major problems with looking for a "new name" for these social products. We see it as something different because it is called something different. Posterous, from what I can see so far, allows for the writer to interact with their "weblog" in a different way, just as you said...
- Robert
from email
Huh?
- Dave Winer
Dave - I think your "huh?" was towards me... We call Posterous a "life stream", I say it is a blog, that we have given a different name to. That is what I am saying.Rob - I agree with you 100%, and that is my point exactly. I keep reading these post about blogging being dead, or blogging being alive... but those that say they are not "blogging" are still "blogging" Maybe I am not making sense, but I hope I am...
- Robert
from email
Robert - Precisely! I think Posterious is trying to find a why to differentiate their product, so they've coined a new phrase. It's still a weblog, how the data arrives may be different, but it's just a weblog all the same. When I read Steve's story last night, from his new site, I thought I was going to find a link on it to something "new and innovative", then I realized I was AT the actualy site, his "life stream."
- Rob Fahrni
Robert - Right on!
- Rob Fahrni
Blogology is a still too young science, and definitio usually comes when plays are over. What I feel sad for is the lack of opportunity future literature and social behaviour experts will suffer not using post's content ( and graphics ) as sources for studying today's world zeitgeist. Borges prophecy is at work, few understands - too many doesn't even know what they're writing about: a...
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- valerio fiandra
from iPhone
Robert, the photo sharing site you've used recently is structurally a blog too. It differs from normal blog software mainly in that the chronology is by date of occurrence, not date of posting.
- Bruce Lewis
from fftogo
It's funny that this sentence and a few lines from Anthony Trollope's autobiography should have crossed paths in my consciousness on the same day, since it's almost the same idea, thrown back two temporal orders of magnitude. Trollope tells of a correspondent, a vicar, who had enjoyed his clerical novels but was upset by Lady Glencors'a contemplation of adultery in the Pallisers series....
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- Amyloo
This is silly. Blogging isn't defined by the tool, it's defined by who's doing it. Read the piece I pointed to. I don't mean click on the link and hit the Back buttton, click the link and READ.
- Dave Winer
Agreed, Dave. Heck, we blogged back in the day via FTP uploads; that's what moved you towards developing "Edit This Page", in fact (IIRC).
- Ken Kennedy
This subject keeps coming back - blogging will never die.
- Jesse Stay
Before Web 1.0 we listened, conversed, collaborated and then we wrote. Writing was the synthesis of all the thinking that occurred in the first steps. In the new medium, the thinking process is the streams, both personal and community. Blogging is the synthesis of this new kind of community thought process.
- Joolio
Dave - haha! - that is awesome :D
- Susan Beebe
Pity there's no "Really, Really Like" button.
- Chris Baskind
Of course bloggin won't die, but you better have compelling content, because people have little tolerance for long articles.
- Todd Dewell
I think a large percentage of bloggers were really microbloggers, they just didn't have the correct apps to do that. The people that actually have something to say will keep blogging and those that just like to say something small or share something interesting will continue microblogging, or lifestreaming, or whatever variant you want to name it. Blogging is akin to publishing articles...
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- xero
This was known since the times of IRC: you can only have idle chatter or quick focused questions at that speed.
- Michele Costabile
Michele, if that premise is true, then kids only absorb important life-long lessons from their parent(s) when they're sat down for a full length lecture. No? :)
- Micah Wittman
The best food for thought always come in easily digestible chunks, however, sometimes you need to digest some larger/harder stuff to give you the ability to digest that chunk.
- xero
Agreed, well said, Xero.
- Micah Wittman
I thought completing a thought was the beauty of FriendFeed.
- Alan Eggleston
Microblogging is very much a product of the times, very ADD, very video-game-ish; so I agree strongly with the idea of longer.
- Rick Cogley
Just FYI, when I started Scripting News in 1997, it was entirely "microblogging" -- look in the archive. http://www.scripting.com/1997...
- Dave Winer
Dave - I very much appreciate you keeping up this fight. When I heard this past weekend the term "Lifestreaming", and seeing it picking up momentum. No, this has to stop. Twittering is an aside to your thoughts, or a highlight to pull people to your thoughts, if it's you only thoughts, you need put your head below the surface of your lifestream while carrying a big pile of rocks and...
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- Matthew DeVries
LOL, unfortunately, I don't think this problem exists just for blogging :)
- Armando & Cindee Edrosa
from iPhone
This isn't a fight. I love all this stuff. I was just saying what I think.
- Dave Winer
Even calling it a "Lifestream"? That's the creepiest sounding thing in tech, since Steve Balmer was threatening to "Squirt" his music onto my Zune.
- Matthew DeVries
Who really quit blogging? Even the most active lifestream addicts never really quit. For me, the blog is and has always been home. Everything else is somewhat ancillary, even when it's the first place I go. Critical thinking sometimes requires the depth of a written post.
- Ken Camp
Question: Of those of you out there who use posterous, do you use it as a replacement of your blog, a mirror of your blog or something different?
- Curt Mercadante
Ken - Rubel quit blogging.
- Matthew DeVries
One of the things I like about blogging is the ability to not finish a thought, not to try so hard to say all I have to say or say come to any definite conclusion in a single post. The unfinished thought is what encourages conversation. Let someone else add to your thought. Let others challenge your incomplete premise. I don't know everything, why pretend I do? My thoughts are never finished.
- Jack (a.k.a. Jeber)
Wow, you're right Dave, scripting news was indeed VERY much a microblog. Interesting & thanks for pointing that out!
- Rick Cogley
Just last night, my sister sent out a vague tweet that made no sense to me out of context: http://twitter.com/awarnoc... So I suggested she blog about the topic so that readers like me would understand the context. http://twitter.com/awarnoc... http://zelzega.blogspot.com/2009...
- Peter Warnock
Just because you can finish a thought, doesn't mean people will read it.
- Will Higgins™
Tell me about it. That happened earlier in this very thread. But at least you ca read it yourself.
- Dave Winer
Just as your diary became your journal and then your log, your log has become your stream. The web has become your life..... AND SO IT WAS, that in the year naught-nine, the web-log was renamed to life-stream, dissected, and it's pieces scattered about the hundreds of "cloud" services, from which it could fall as raindrops of thought, pinging here and there in an attempt to spread ideas to where they were needed the most.
- Joel Bennett
No time to read it. Can you give us the gist of it in 140 characters or less? Thanks.
- Diego Barros
Here's a picture, even easier than 140 chars. http://tr.im/qrBb
- Dave Winer
Haha, love it!
- Rick Cogley
Love the idea!
- Sampad Swain
Come on, Dave. Where's your sense of humor?
- Diego Barros
Where's yours?
- Dave Winer
If you were joking, that's cool. I can take it. :) (I was joking, honest)
- Diego Barros
Me too. :-)
- Dave Winer
Blogging is still the platform of choice for sharing a clear/uninterrupted flow of thoughts from a single perspective. Then comments rapidly add value to the original post's material (most of the time). We're witnessing the link power of blogging decline because that functionality (which is monetizable) is moving to social media. We are left with the question, how best should bloggers monetize if they're losing link passing strength? I'm working that issue now by frankensteining several parts together
- Mark Essel
Personalized/Customized ads based on public user status. Semantic tools (via API), memory (local user profile database), and the passing of information to an ad aggregator will help produce custom (dynamic web matched) advertisements. It should serve all parties involved (social media, bloggers/front ends, semantic processing houses, and advertising aggregators).
- Mark Essel
What do you mean, I have always been able to finish a ... ooh a nice shiny object...
- Marcel de Jong
Isn't it ironic that this post contained a clear and concise thesis, in under 140 characters?
- Mike Chelen
Good point Mike...
- Mark Harai
There's NOTHING wrong with brevity. There is a time and a place for discussion and lengthy discourse.
- Will Higgins™
Mike Chelen - "a pretense of ignorance and of willingness to learn from another assumed in order to make the other's false conceptions conspicuous by adroit questioning ... the use of words to express something other than and especially the opposite of the literal meaning." - Nope, not ironic
- Matthew DeVries
Matthew DeVries: that covers definitions 1 and 2, yet the 3rd is an "incongruity between the actual result of a sequence of events and the normal or expected result," where in this case the expected result was to explain how new platforms prevent thoughts from being finished, and the actual result was to the contrary :D
- Mike Chelen
If you say so. I never saw that definition, but I have no reason to doubt you, or motivation to find the source myself, so, I'll allow it.
- Matthew DeVries
aren't we all copying from the same online dictionary? http://www.merriam-webster.com/diction...
- Mike Chelen
No, I rattled mine out of something I memorized years ago.
- Matthew DeVries
wow, you got it perfectly word-for-word, remind me to pick you for my crossword puzzle team :)
- Mike Chelen
Mike Arrington is leading the mob. Read his anti-FriendFeed rant here and tell us whether he is wrong or right. Oh, and welcome to the mob:
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He'll be back...he's just going to milk this for all it's worth first.
- Garin Kilpatrick
Do not feed the trolls.
- monkeystick
I think he is looking for page views and a way to get the mob to come to his real time event on July 10th. Brilliantly played Mr. Arrington!
- Robert Scoble
Maybe it will bring some more people to FF who haven't been on it which is a good thing.
- Mike Bracco
"FriendFeed today is like Syphilis in 1495." -Arrington. I'd say that's taking this a bit too far.
- Garin Kilpatrick
I understand objectively there's strengths and weaknesses, but I also find that this discussion is teetering of the verge of irrelevance. Can you make it clear to me (in seriousness) the value from this friendfeed versus anti friendfeed arguement? Are we looking forward to the next tool? Or to making improvements to friendfeed?
- Malcolm Bastien
Mike: I doubt it.
- Robert Scoble
Wow. Maybe I should go burn the TC shirt that LG and I liberated from TC headquarters a few months back in protest. Reminds me of his other recent rant about Facebook (http://www.techcrunch.com/2009...). Mike definitely doesn't hold back in how he expresses his opinion through his blog posts. Regardless of whether he's...
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- Brian Daniel Eisenberg
Do you think it was specifically an anti-Friendfeed rant, Robert? Some of the comments that poured in after the "Laporte Incident" were pretty horrible. If I was on the receiving end of that, I'd think I'd be feeling like a mob was after my head. Also, don't you think that his point about people feeling more comfortable to "talk hate" using their own/real names is a good one?
- Andrew Terry
Wow that's kinda harsh, I wonder what brought that on...
- J. Abdul-Qahhar
I don't understand why Mike is wasting time and effort on those death threat comments from the idiots that posted them. Why is he giving them any real credit? They should be dismissed. They should be ignored. They're the grown up versions of youtube commenters.
- Lise
The thread with Aaron last week demonstrates that the FF community is reasonable and self-correcting. FF also provides fine grained controls so that you DON'T see what you don't want. Mobs are simply human nature. Dissapointingly so. Mike may as well call for the abolition of Town Halls, Community Clubs and the like.
- Roberto Bonini
As long as Mob leaders like Laporte keep it together no trolls get hurt.
- Garin Kilpatrick
Arrington should go crawl back into his cave
- Daniel Lazarides
I have a feeling Arrington is developing a relationship with FF analogous to Dvorak's with Apple. ie. piss off the faithful (get traffic), blog about the nasty community members attacking you (more traffic), eventually reverse yourself and please the community (more traffic again). Lather-rinse-repeat.
- Michael R. Bernstein
If Mike doesn't like mobs he should open a private room here on friendfeed.
- Robert Scoble
that was some badly strained argumentation by Arrington - FAIL
- William Harryman
I feel the same way about this argument that I do about people who complain about television. Stop whining. If you don't like what's on, change the channel or turn the TV off. FF, like any online community, is based on elective participation. If you don't like what's happening, move on to something else. Also, people take what's written in these forums WAY too seriously. If you can't take the occasional insult, get off the web and go find something else to do with your time.
- Kevin Pedraja
And last i checked, Leo is NOT a mob leader. Or a Troll leader.
- Roberto Bonini
Andrew: mobs have always formed online. FriendFeed does allow them to form faster but Arrington should go read Digg and YouTube comments for a while. The stuff I have seen here is pretty easy going compared to those.
- Robert Scoble
Go to a forum with lots of members and ask a noobish question and watch the mob flame you into the middle of next week.
- Mark
Michael: bing! Arrington is the best at whiping up crowds. Anyone remember when he called France lazy?
- Robert Scoble
"We're going back to reruns. F**k you guys I'm throwing you all off. Mike Arrington is the most trollish person ever." - Leo Laporte
- Danny Minick
Andrew: I think everyone here generally agrees with Mike that those types of comments are out of line. Can't blame Mike for feeling touchy about them.
- Roberto Bonini
Danny that's the irony in all this. Arrington is the King of The Trolls! Leo called him the biggest troll "in the world" a few times.
- Mark
I used to read techcrunch and even comment once in a while. Mike Arrington has been consistently losing credibility with me these past few months, and now has forfeited the last bit. I was going to comment over there, but it really has ceased to be worth my time. I'm even sorry I clicked over to his article. Interesting that I wouldn't even have known for it if not for this post on...which service is this again, oh yes, ...friendfeed.
- Jim Hearts FF
It seems to me that Mike wants the attention or he wouldn't have post this. He just doesn't like it if it doesn't go his way. He sort of like the guy who finds a bees nest and pokes a stick in it. They finally calm down and they poke it again and are surprised by the results
- Kim Landwehr
Jim: welcome to MobFeed. :-)
- Robert Scoble
I'm in my Godfather.
- Thomas Chai
He's got some points, and I give him credit for a heck-of-a 'creative' post, but this is fairly typical human behavior stuff. I think it's funny that the he says, "the system is breaking under it’s own weight. It is not sustainable." because he got flamed out by some people with the chutzpa (or stupidity) to do it from an account that identified them personally.
- Chris Duffy
Kim: Arrington is smarter than that. He knows there are a lot of people here and he is about to monetize the real time web with a conference.
- Robert Scoble
Whats this conference you are refering to Rob ? x
- Mark
Yep a online service that accounts for a small percentage of internet users will destroy everything Arrington holds dear. Syphilis?
- Andy Foster
Kim: this is all about Arrington setting his conference up well. I will be a part of it from London.
- Robert Scoble
[sigh] i guess Arrington just can't stop himself.
- MikeAmundsen
"I’m going to pick on" - words say it all
- Paul Rawlings
Anyone have a link to this real time conference he is doing?
- Mark
Speaking of realtime, why hasn't Arrington or O'Reilly grabbed the title "Realtime Web" for a series of conferences ala Web 2.0?--maybe you should first Robert!
- Michael Metz
I guess it's working
- Ken Morley
Mike: Arrington is taking advantage of the fact that WE can't stop ourselves.
- Robert Scoble
Exactly, Robert.
- Ken Morley
Well, that explains a lot Robert
- Kim Landwehr
What was that link again? Lol!
- Ken Morley
is buddyfeed realtime?
- Tyler Gillies
from BuddyFeed
so he's not calling for technical solution to a (potential) behavior problem...he's just stirring the pot and setting the table for conference...No, we can't stop ourselves can we. Effective troll is effective
- Chris Duffy
Arrington is @replying you on twitter robby
- Mark
a) learn to use Block b) like twitter is sooo much better :/ c) waste of a read.. I thought Techcrunch did actual stories on stuff, not rants. Guess I was wrong.
- Tim Hoeck
here is the link http://www.techcrunch.com/real-ti...
- Johni Fisher
Well, the worst thing we as the FF community could do is prove him right by "attacking" back and name-calling for what he's said. Fanning the flames justifies his opinion. Hey, if it makes people wonder what going on with this "FriendFeed" thing and they come check it and realize it's not at all like what he was saying...all the better. So, let him have his opinion and spotlight.
- CAJ, somewhere else
@Robert: IMO, Arrington is doing the same thing he always does: setting himself up for some abuse from others. it's so sad to watch. in this case, he'll likely get what we is asking for, too. *again*
- MikeAmundsen
Probably should have said fein surprise
- Kim Landwehr
thx Johni,
- Mark
IMO, He's wrong. And, as mentioned, tossing gasoline on the fire by pretending to be outraged by such supposed mobs while deliberately inciting them.
- Bob Morris (polizeros)
@arrington just wrote that I should propose tools to slow down the mob. Yes, we have those in Iran and China. I would rather have the mob.
- Robert Scoble
I think Arrington just wants to destroy a medium that he can't control.
- Nathan Cooprider
I really thing that this was more about online mobs with FriendFeed as an example rather than specifically about FriendFeed. Yes he uses FriendFeed as the example, but I don't think the points he makes are related solely to FriendFeed. You could easily replace FriendFeed with Digg or Huffingtonpost. Some place where people gather in mass and you can easily see a mob mentality grow.
- Michael Koby
Robert!!!!!!! :)
- Myrna
Of course he is right. When the wrong people come together than everything can happen. Same is true if good people. Even a revolution (specially Wednesday). People on FF and similar services have lots of power. Can be used to change the world!
- bishoph
seeing the link to that conference that he's hosting next week and seeing this post give me a new level of respect for his craftiness, although he couldn't have done it w/o you Robert.
- Chris Duffy
Yes Chris, he is a sly old dog isn't he? Tickets might be going too slow or something
- Mark
The association with Syphilis is kind of weird. I think any public figure gets hate mail, electronically or otherwise.
- Ace
I think so.
- Chris Duffy
@Michael Koby, I'd agree with you (to a certain extent), if the article wasn't...specifically about FriendFeed. And about an event that occurred to Arrington personally, no less. I'd have a lot more respect for his argument if he'd spend the time to find more examples. This just looks like someone who's had a flamewar turn on him that's fighting back with his own bullhorn.
- Ken Kennedy
Bishoph: or a mob can break glass and burn buildings and hurt people. What do you want to use your mob for?
- Robert Scoble
He probably just read a book on syphilis. When I read a book on something I like to make links to the topic to make me appear well-read and smart.
- Mark
He (as usual) has some valid points. FF is a great conversation tool but when it becomes a chat room, it's not up to the task. Just as in public, I tend to avoid these mobs here on FF. 58 comments on this right now is fine but 1000 is useless. I know you don't agree, but IRC is much more useful for that.
- John Rubier
It would help if Mike actually understood how he could shape his FriendFeed experience. There are such things as blocking and hiding. It also seems like those who can dish it out but not take it run screaming from FriendFeed - which invites *real* interaction and conversation. Yeah, it's sometimes unruly, but that's reality folks! If you want the *dated* version of arm's length, yell...
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- AJ Kohn
I can't make it to Arrington's event on July 10th (I live in Boston..and the event is in SF), but I hope it gets a lot of coverage online so that the rest of us can learn from what is shared :)
- Sam Houston
Look what services like Twitter and FF did for Iran. Just a medium to share and discuss (real time) information. Of course the used words in the blog are misleading and obviously rant (a troll post to start a discussion in real time :-).
- bishoph
(Robert Scoble) -- "this is all about Arrington setting his conference up well. I will be a part of it from London. " -- next time, put this at the beginning of your post, Robert. I'm NOT interested in being a part of this childish crap. If you have actually have a problem with the post, you shouldn't either. If this thread is to help TC drum up word-of-mouth about a conference, that's...
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- Ken Kennedy
Could argue that MobFeed was more useful because it had private rooms and things.
- Mark
@AJ: Arrington knows how to use FF. this thread is evidence of that. his willingness to pimp himself out - to invite this kind of negative talk - just to promote his own interests is what is so disappointing.
- MikeAmundsen
Lazily, i'll c&p my post from TC..Yeah, this is Arrington taking a personal incident and trying REALLY hard to universalize it. And the syphilis analogy only makes this look needier and less applicable. FriendFeed aggregates conversations and connects sub-streams of the cloud more efficiently than any other current service. Once you try it, you like it. I works. It's efficient. The...
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- Thom Kennon
@Mike: Perhaps he understands that he can drum up talk, but I don't think he's been here enough to actually understand it's true power. So, yes, Arrington essentially is a FriendFeed spammer or Social Media Lout.
- AJ Kohn
Ken: it isn't my strategy and I am not profiting from it.
- Robert Scoble
"Mobs" have collapsed police states, authoritarian regimes, and given rise to countries like are's that even allow us to have this conversation today. To suppress them is like revoking the right to assemble and petition, removing the peoples voice, and is not a sign of a free and open society. Turn on the news and remember 99% of the world haven't a clue who Mike Arrington is.
- Shaun Hess
@Robert: do you think Arrington is using you to promote is own agenda?
- MikeAmundsen
Mr. Arrington is just too young. This online behavior will not subside soon. AOL Chatrooms, Usenet discussions, Compuserve bulletin boards, listserv flame wars.... The more things change, the more they stay the same. 15 years of Law and Order and broadcasting reruns on other Channels. For a Technology News guy it's pretty pathetic. What's the news? Where is the new idea?
- Birgit Pauli-Haack
Mike: he is using our mob behaviors, yes. Do I feel used? No more so than when Aaron and Steven did the same thing.
- Robert Scoble
@Robert: yep.
- MikeAmundsen
I think there are many factors working here: 1)rapidly changing community norms 2) expansion of these services from small homogeneous groups who create them 3)poor communications skills 4)poor social skills 5) a lack of inhibition due to the virtual environment.
- Francine Hardaway
from BuddyFeed
If there was ever any doubt that Arrington seeds the controversies that surround him, let this post put that doubt to rest. His goal is to incite passions because he knows that anger drives engagement more than agreement does. He's merely the Ann Coulter of the nerd world -- nothing more, nothing less.
- Sprague D
Mike knows that we cannot help ourselves, we simply must talk about his post and send him lots of hits and maybe sell a ticket or two for him.
- Mark
@Sprague: "He's merely the Anne Coulter of the nerd world..." LOL +1
- MikeAmundsen
Well put Francine!
- Bluejeanslady
from twhirl
Most of what Arrington does stings of a boy trying to look like a big boy in an adult world. Maybe when he grows up he'll be better. I think the Blue's Traveler song Hook was about him.
- Matthew DeVries
I'll probably get beat up over this but this is a huge case of the Tech Crunch pot calling the Friendfeed kettle black. I've notice that Arrington and the normal Tech Crunch crowd are really hard on people. More than once someone will ask a question that most people know the answer too and its like blood in the water. Posters come out and blast them and take delight in it. I thought that TechCrunch was trying to be a community?
- Matt Martin
Is he the Anne Coulter of tech or the Perez Hilton of tech? I'd say the later, because like Perez, he doesn't make a dime unless someone else gets hurt, he has a hissy when the camera looks back at him, he over-reacts to perceived "danger" against him.
- Matthew DeVries
@Robert: your response is far too similar to what you used AGAINST Tim O'Reilly and other members of the SUL, IMO. If you know/suspect that Arrington is using this to promote a conference that you're going to attend; a conference focused on a technology realm that you make your living off of...then of course this helps you, just like being on the SUL helps Tim O'Reilly, even if he's "not changing what he says based on it". You didn't find that answer from Tim satifying, and I feel the same way about yours.
- Ken Kennedy
Robert: Didn't you say above that, "this is about his conference. and *I will be part of it from London*" but later that "this isn't by strategy or for profit" I feel kinda duped, man. I think everyone else does/knows too, but like lemmings we'll continue to play. This is my take: http://twitter.com/Spincha...
- Chris Duffy
It is difficult to take Michael Arrington seriously as a tech analyst -- he's inflated his self-created brouhaha into a mentally disorganized blast at Friendfeed. A very emotional guy. Friendfeed is a self-organizing platform. One shouldn't complain about getting mired down in nasty exchanges that are easily avoided with unsubscriptions and blocks. Arrington's mess was self-inflicted.
- Sean McBride
Chris: I am an unpaid speaker at the TechCrunch Real Time event.
- Robert Scoble
How are Mike's passive aggressive "op-ed" blogs on TechCrunch also not a form of e-mobs? In other news: welcome to the mob *grin*
- Rene Wirtz
Tim O'Reilly doesn't pay to be on the SUL, Robert.
- Ken Kennedy
::glances and moves along::
- Geoff Schultz
And Arrington seems to read a book, declare himself an expert, and then fire off a blog post about how his "enemy" du jour is like the thing in that book. Next week we're going to hear about how Friendfeed is like the cancer killing his mentor that he visits on Tuesdays.
- Matthew DeVries
Ken: WTF?
- Robert Scoble
As a matter of fact, I think Twitter is much more suited to mob creation than FriendFeed.
- Miguel Caetano
I work on my mob behavior. I engage, but try to be civil, helpful, or educational:-) this is a learned behavior after I got my butt handed to me a few times.
- Francine Hardaway
from BuddyFeed
Yes Matthew, alot of people (myself included) read a book on something and feel we must reference it to make us appear smart. I did the same thing with a book on the black death. its all nonsense of course
- Mark
@Sean: from my POV, not only was Arrington's mess self-inflicted, it was a purposeful act on his part. as is this one.
- MikeAmundsen
Miguel: yeah, over on Twitter I saw hundreds of people saying Jeff Goldbloom was dead when he wasn't.
- Robert Scoble
arrington: @Scobleizer perhaps someday when you are sitting in your house with a police car parked out front to protect you you'll think differently.
- Mark
C'mon Robert...do you seriously not grok the similarities between this argument and your complaint about O'Reilly/SUL? This is free publicity for a conference that you're speaking at that will help make your name more notable in your area of expertise.
- Ken Kennedy
Mark: perhaps I will.
- Robert Scoble
Must have been a serious thread if the police give you personal protection
- Mark
I need to read up a little more on the other parties involved. The only person I follow of this group with any real regularity is Leo LaPorte. However, from a listeners point of view, Leo grossly over-reacted to a legitimate question ( and I love Leo's work ). Would Larry King shut down the show just because he was asked something he was apparently sensitive about? ( I realize this...
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- Sean E Brown
Remember a couple weeks back when Twitter convinced the world the California supreme court reversed their non-reversal of Prop 8?
- Matthew DeVries
No robert, what I pasted was Arringtons reply to you on twitter
- Mark
Mark: I know.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, please don't pay attention to M.A. He does not deserve it
- Luca Conti
Robert: It's all good, man. Regardless if paid or not, you knew up front what this was about and helped get the ball rolling. I don't fault you for it, but in an ironic sort of way, the lack of up front knowledge, that came out later about this being for the conf, can produce the exact kind of behavior Arrington is decrying and citing the "need" for new tools to address. It's all claptrap, but digress. I'm going outside.
- Chris Duffy
Arrington is just ticked off at the response he was getting after he attacked Leo .. yeah I really think he attacked him personally. Attacking a man's credibility and integrity is a personal attack in my opinion. Then he removed the techcrunch feed from friendfeed ..so what let him .. I agree with the other commenters..He is an attention whore plain and simple then compares Friendfeed...
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- John Blanton
from twhirl
I really think Arrington has a skewed view of FriendFeed. Most of the venom against him on FriendFeed has happened during Gillmor Gang podcasts, which were most recently running on Leo Laporte's TWiT network. For whatever reason, a large percentage of Leo's TWiT fan base hates Arrington. Not just disagree. Hate. They've also said pretty awful things about Steve Gillmor, Dave Winer, etc....
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- Mike Doeff
Notice how Mike is totally absent on this thread. He should be here defending his article, defending his analogy to syphilis and letting us all know how dumb we are for not seeing things is way. Mike obiously sees no point to having this discussion. I count 2 tweets from him on this subject.
- Roberto Bonini
@Mike Doeff If he did see the civility of FriendFeed he wouldn't have compared it to syphilis.
- John Blanton
Please note, Robert...I don't think you're being all devious or anything. I'm just pointing this out to give you another angle on the O'Reilly thing. I actually think Tim probably thought "WTF" as well. And while I DO think that both of you are being a teeny bit naive thinking that the attention doesn't affect what you say or do...that's the case with pretty much all attention. I don't...
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- Ken Kennedy
Scoble: I see what you did here. :-)
- Mark Davidson
from BuddyFeed
I'd put a witty comment here, but Arrington isn't worth the requisite brain power that would consume.
- Steven Perez
Arrington is a douch.
- Peter Kruit
Can Mike read this thread without a FF account?
- Mark
Ken: Arrington is on the Suggested User List and he did not disclose that. Jason Calacanis says that is worth $250,000. I guarantee you that speaking at a conference won't get you $250,000 worth of followers.
- Robert Scoble
Anybody remember Usenet newsgroups? They still exist, and lots o' tech people still use them (i still answer questions there). There have been some remarkable flame wars there, and they are all threaded. I don't see how different that is from FF except FF has a prettier interface.
- RobinDotNet
Mark: yes
- Robert Scoble
Peter: so are you.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: Thank you ;) Don't get me wrong. We also need people like that. They make for interesting discussions.
- Peter Kruit
Hah! Arrington removed my comment about him not disclosing that he is on Twitter's Suggested User list.
- Robert Scoble
Lets give 1 sec to the Arrington point at his last tweets ,cant we have some kind of control on the stream ?cant FF add better moderation tools ?
- Johni Fisher
Robert: You're stirring the pot yourself and why? Because Arrington comapred FF to Syphilis? I have nothing against a discussion about the issue at hand but you're lead-in to this was a bit on the point of the article.. It's just a session of Arrignton bashing, replace the keyboards with pitchforks and you're all on your was the TC headquarters to string up the guy.
- Sean E Brown
"on your way" rather
- Sean E Brown
And again I am comment on a Scoble thread, but to misquote Cassius " The fault, dear Friends, is not in Scoble or Arrington But in ourselves, that we are underlings."
- Kim Landwehr
oh I forgot IMHO
- Sean E Brown
Sean: you are right.
- Robert Scoble
Sean: the thing is I have seen mob suppression and I don't like it one bit.
- Robert Scoble
And I have had my car damaged and life threatened by a mob after the 49ers won the Super Bowl one year.
- Robert Scoble
Ah, the weekend dust-up. ;-)
- Chris Baskind
@Robert: gotcha. I think I understand where you're coming from. I disagree, but it's no big deal.
- Ken Kennedy
Robert: but who is suppressing it? An article isn't going to to stop mobs, not all mobs are good mobs (lol). I suppose we all have our quirks that get us up in arms, I am in no way innocent of that.
- Sean E Brown
I declare the Dead Horse to be Beaten sufficiently.
- Sean E Brown
@Johni Fisher: FriendFeed is a social network, not a community or a forum with administrators and the like. But I reckon that nested conversations could be useful ;-)
- Miguel Caetano
This inspired me to listen to the Mob Rules album by Black Sabbath :D
- Per
It's interesting to me that the very thing Arrington talks about happens here. Where did good taste and treating other people with respect get off the track? I mean seriously...have you looked at how many people are on this thread making nasty comments about Arrington? He isn't the only one that gets that treatment, we all do if we state our opinions publicly. Now, I'm not against...
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- Sheryl
Sheryl: yes, this is bloodsport. Same thing happens at baseball stadiums every day.
- Robert Scoble
If your able to get syphallus from FriendFeed then I'm clearly using it wrong
- Davis Freeberg
Sheryl: The nasty talk against Arrington is earned. Arrington frequently slams FriendFeed (which get under Robert Scoble's skin and compels him to do these sorts of posts, but that's another topic) and then cries whenever (a) no one pays him any attention or (b) people talk nasty about him.
- Steven Perez
Robert: I can't take things that seriously. Life is to be lived not destroyed. Why don't we talk about the value of the mob? Why don't we talk about how amazing social networks can be?
- Sheryl
Steven: I disagree with you :) That Arrington has an opinion and states it no more gives you or I a right to tear his person apart than my simply waking up every day. Argue against his opinion but name calling has no benefits.
- Sheryl
Sheryl: You're entitled to your viewpoint, but I've been here long enough to see how Arrington operates. And nothing I've seen from him lately has changed that opinion. He deserves every bit of scorn he gets, because he delights in these sort of poop fights.
- Steven Perez
Here are some features that might slow down mob-like participation: 1) move the comment link to after the last comment, rather than right under the item, to encourage reading the previous comments before commenting. 2) once a threshold has been reached, remove the comment link entirely, so you have to go to the item page (which displays all comments) before commenting, to discourage formation of instant pile-ons from within the live stream.
- Michael R. Bernstein
Steven: You don't have to change your opinion of Arrington. At no time have I suggested you aren't entitled to your opinion. But what benefit for you is there in calling him names? We all have opinions others disagree with. You didn't call me names and yet for all you know I'm a horrible person (I'm not) I think the world is better for opinions and different thoughts. It stretches us to...
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- Sheryl
Mike comparing FF to syphilis is pure, shameless analogy abuse. But say what you will about Mike, his arguments are interesting, and I do read them. And if anyone on this thread wants to organize a torch and pitchfork mob against him, let me be the first to say I've got a billion more interesting and important things to occupy my time.
- James Hernandez
Sheryl: I said it Zee's thread and I'll say it here - it's another Arrington poop fight. He throws enough of it on the wall to see what sticks, gets Robert Scoble riled up, and a mess of blog posts and forum fights ensue. SOP for Arrington. Meanwhile, he reaps the benefits of notoriety and links back to his site, all without ever setting foot in here, because we're all going over there to see what he wrote.
- Steven Perez
Neither of these are particularly innovative, BTW. I can suggest reading Derek Powazek's excellent book 'Design for Community':http://www.amazon.com/exec...
- Michael R. Bernstein
I know Arrington sometimes smears himself with blood and tosses himself into the feeding frenzy. I have no problem attacking his opinions when I disagree. Or attacking his ego when it's out there. I do find myself more and more put off by people who make every attack personal. It goes to excess. And I hate the specious argument that "I've seen him blah blah blah" and he deserves it....
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- Ken Camp
Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't it go something like this: 1. Arrington dislikes Scoble. 2. Scoble likes FriendFeed. 3. Therefore, Arrington dislikes FriendFeed.
- Stephen Mack
Steven: I would only ask this, who is inciting who if Arrington squawks and people fluff their feathers? I don't know Mike Arrington, I know who he is and I have read enough to know he frequently says things that are inflammatory, but I don't call him names publicly. Where is the value in that? Can someone show me why that is useful because if you can, I may change my tune, though it's highly unlikely! ;-)
- Sheryl
Stephen: I don't think Arrington dislikes me.
- Robert Scoble
it's all entertainment in the end :D
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
Ken: ;-) Dork! LOL (I can call Ken names cause he's my SO) hehe
- Sheryl
And at the risk of encouraging flames in my direction, I pretty much agree with Arrington's post. I agree with him about 10-15% of the time.
- Ken Camp
Sheryl: I may be a dork, but I'm your dork. And I only engage in this petty crap to try to find some intelligence among the noise. Like always, there's some here. Filtering the noise within a thread isn't easy. I know Robert loves FF filtering, but this is an example of when NOTHING but the filtering can find any value.
- Ken Camp
Ken: even filtering can't help some threads! :-)
- Robert Scoble
Robert: shall I bop him on the head? hehe
- Sheryl
Robert: Agreed. There really needs to be a way to tag trash threads to be expunged. Terrible that this drivel will exist forever.
- Ken Camp
Ken: only if you search for it will it matter for long.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: True but wasting arguably infinite disk space to store it forever is still waste. I don't like waste in general.
- Ken Camp
Sheryl -- what kind of response do you think Arrington anticipated when he compared Friendfeed to syphillis -- *at length* (in case we missed the point)? Describing him as a jackass strikes me as a measured and rational response. But he is best ignored, to be sure.
- Sean McBride
Sheryl: there's a small bit of problem with your logic. By your logic, everything that Ann Coulter (thanks, Sprague D) says is not deserving of scorn, either.
- Steven Perez
Steven I don't say it's wrong to be scornful. I do still think it's wrong to call names. It feels wrong to me to validate that in any way. Defending position is a whole other thing. To enter the fray and retaliate has no good consequence.
- Sheryl
Steven: Scorn for stupid ideas is different than personal attacks. Although comparing Arrington to Coulter is an interesting and entertaining thought. ;-)
- Ken Camp
Sean: I don't think it matters what Arrington's goal was. In the end, even if Arrington calls FF names, to do so in return accomplishes what?
- Sheryl
Sean: If we take the passion and emotion out of the argument, Arrington's comparison to how syphillis evolved to survive, to the FF mob power, I think there's some good analogy inside there. Sure it's ugly, but I wouldn't say it's inaccurate. How many mobs have we seen called into play in the past few weeks over some perceived wrong. Yesterday it was someone's AT&T bill and the open...
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- Ken Camp
On that note, I am off for a break, out to run errands, and finished with this particular thread. Have a good afternoon all.
- Ken Camp
Sheryl -- sometimes it is healthy to call out a jackass as a jackass, and then move on to more productive topics. It puts a period on the nonsense. In general I agree with you: the more civil the conversation, the better.
- Sean McBride
This whole thing reminds me of the "How to tell someone they sounded racist video" http://www.youtube.com/watch... I think we can all learn something from that video. Keep to the subject, instead of calling names and generalizing from what a person did. If you want a good discussion on this subject don't call people names. Instead of wasting time in here where M.A says he...
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- Rasmus Lauridsen
Because, at the end of the day, Arrington is against mob mentality ... unless he can direct the mob's direction.
- Steven Perez
The real problem with herd mentality is that once understood, it can be effectively deployed to link bait, generate PR in the form of online discussions, and to promote social media sites and/or events, without people even being aware of it.
- Mark Davidson
I'm particularly baffled - better yet - amused by how the media gurus quickly turn into poor, weeping poopflinging angry things once they find themselves prodded by the pointy end of a mass of people (which they then call "a mob" elegantly skipping the "lynch" part). Groupthink - yes, sometimes - even herd mentality - but this has all to do with how people are, and nothing with technology, so I really don't get the hate on FF (Syphilis? gimme a f-in' break!).
- dario
also: the guy is obviously oblivious of the Greater Internet Fuckwad Theory and has no clue about what goes on in "the mainstream", say on Reddit, /. or that cesspool that are youtube comments. FF is pretty much a small, happy place with tea, pastries and fancy embroidered cushions compared to those.
- dario
Dude, TC deleted my (constructively thoughtful albeit critical) comment in the article thread --- and it keeps eating my attempts to repost. wtf?!...
- Thom Kennon
Thom: Arrington did the same thing to me. Welcome to the mob.
- Robert Scoble
Ken Camp - I agree completely with your post - this whole thread went from a discussion on Mobfeed and into something similar to a 1990 BBS rant
- Kathleen Forden
This is really getting to be ridiculous. Arrington admits that people can be nasty at Twitter and other places, but says FriendFeed is worse, basically because all comments can be seen in one place. Blame FF? Why don't we start with blaming TechCrunch, because a lot of people started out disliking him due to what he writes there. I suspect that if Arrington didn't delete so much of what was posted there, we'd see a REAL mob.
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
Dario: If Arrington's blog post heightened your emotional state, then his mission was accomplished. If you clicked the link to Arrington's blog, then his mission was accomplished. If you commented on Arrington's blog, then his mission was accomplished. If Robert Scoble started a thread on FriendFeed about Arrington's blog post, then his mission was accomplished. If we are still...
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- Mark Davidson
Mark: that was my point, actually (sorry it didn't come through too well) - basically if you go prodding a hive with a stick sometimes you get stung - it doesn't reflect too well on you if you get all uppity afterwards. So, I agree with you 100% on the manipulative part.
- dario
The same thing happens on Digg, and it's been around for years. It's not a problem with the service(s), it's a cultural problem. We've all been desensitized to some level or another, some extremely.
- Blake
Dario: Don't feel bad. I got caught up in it too. It's human behavior. As human beings, we respond to stimuli. When executed properly, we just can't help ourselves. Our emotions get stirred, we take action in the form of a response, we become engaged because we've invested emotional energy, we talk amongst ourselves, etc. Politicians, public speakers, bloggers, television and radio...
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- Mark Davidson
What a bunch of echo chamber nonsense.
- Jason Nunnelley
I can't disagree with that Jason....... Except, it's only an echo chamber when it's good/self aggrandizing. When it's ugly and destructive like this, I think the more proper term is devouring our own young, but the sentiment is right on.
- Matthew DeVries
Skipping past the other discussion that's already happened on Arrington's post (I'll catch up in a minute), I just want to say that TechCrunch has officially joined my list of sites I won't visit anymore. Great job alienating a large group of readers, Mike.
- Jason Huebel
Matthew, I just expanded my opinion on Mike's post (linked by Scoble). I think it's calculated drama. Either that or really, really silly. I'm giving everyone the benefit of doubt here and assigning more intelligence than the latter opinion would allow.
- Jason Nunnelley
Why would anyone take anything that Arrington writes seriously after his complete bullshit stories about Last.fm - which had real, economic consequences for the company, and which are still being repeated as if they were true by people around the web? He's perfectly happy to whip up the mob when it suits him, but when it bites him back he suddenly becomes Mr Socially Concerned.
- Ian Betteridge
How many times was Arrington's name mentioned in this post, thus reinforcing his brand through repetition? How many people reading his name were in an emotionally heightened state? Hmmm. lol.
- Mark Davidson
When someone comes into your house and poops on your coffee table, it's a bit difficult to look at it rationally and ask what the merits of such an act was.
- Steven Perez
"It was windy in here, so I needed to weigh the papers down"
- Matthew DeVries
He actually removed my comment. No kidding. I didn't wish him ill, suggest he should died or anything of that nature. I just made a coherent and short comment about his tactic with as bland a set of language as possible. Wimp.
- Jason Nunnelley
THIS is why i fucking hate FF. "Read his anti-FriendFeed rant here" WHERE? damn it, friend feed always makes a monkey out of me. where's arrington's rant? i dunno. i'll seach for arrington's account and see if i can find it. i'll prolly be back in five minutes to say "oh, i'm so stupid... i found it at [INSERT FUCKING URL HERE]" thanks for exposing my FF ineptitude, Scoble.
- Mark Hartwell
Mark: it's the first comment on this thread. It's a link. Then come back here to read the 200 comments.
- Robert Scoble
Mark, what are you talking about? It's right there.
- Matthew DeVries
Mark: I've used this device hundreds of times. Most people figure it out pretty quickly.
- Robert Scoble
So he just wants to delete all counter comments? How very Supreme Leader of him....
- Matthew DeVries
He hasn't deleted mine yet
- Rasmus Lauridsen
Comment removal is standard practice at TechCrunch, and it really doesn't matter if the comments are polite. He'll leave a few counter-comments in (enough so it's not obvious he's blocking counter-opinions) and delete the rest. Perhaps his lack of control of the conversation is why he doesn't like FriendFeed much.
- Ian Betteridge
All I said was that he should thank Scoble for the link, but he shouldn't be surprised if these tactics result in trollish drama queens following his work only to bring a teen girl styled smack down to his next slumber party. It wasn't even that caustic, definitely not "mob" language.
- Jason Nunnelley
Matthew: he's probably deleting all comments he perceives as being from the "MobFeed." I think it's funny. Mike once told me he's an entertainer, and this is evidence of that.
- Robert Scoble
aha http://www.techcrunch.com/2009... got it ... second comment actually. i agree with jason calicanis ... you need a freaking masters degree to work friend feed. thanks, Robert, BTW .. the url gets shortened, so even though the title of the article is in that URL, one doesn't see it when scanning the comments.
- Mark Hartwell
Mark: no, it's the first comment. The first line are people who clicked "like" on this item.
- Robert Scoble
The problem, though, is that Arrington is an "entertainer" with the power to seriously hurt companies and careers in the web industry. And he does it, too.
- Ian Betteridge
Mark - Ff's interface is about as simple as it gets.... *rollseyes*
- Matthew DeVries
So, he deletes my comment about participating in adult conversation and leaves the guy's comment that calls him a douche? Mature. I'm starting to withdraw my prior benefit of doubt.
- Jason Nunnelley
Ian: he only can hurt you if you let him. If your marketing campaign relies on TechCrunch then your marketing campaign is bad and needs a major rethink. I've had Valleywag and Techcrunch aimed at me before and it never hurts.
- Robert Scoble
Robert - In the same way that Andy Kaufman was an "entertainer"?
- Matthew DeVries
To be totally fair, i dont think it is that bad. We have had quite a few articles on Techcrunch and on on a whole they seem to be a nice bunch, very accomodating and understanding.
- Paul Rawlings
Although it is unpleasant to go through.
- Robert Scoble
I thought it was quite a funny read, I don't think I can take it seriously... it is almost as if someone spat in his face or something.
- Paul Kinlan
Robert, he can't hurt me - but think of Last.fm, whose reputation was hurt and which lost subscribers because of a completely false series of articles that Arrington posted. And he's never really acknowledged that he got it totally wrong, preferring to hint that "there's no smoke without fire". That's what I mean about serious damage. He has the power of mainstream media, without the vaguest notion of a conscience.
- Ian Betteridge
FF interface: simple? perhaps. Intuitive? not so much. The FF fail is strong in me. (and scoble was right, the url IS in the first comment) what looked to me like the first comment was just a list of "likes" that's a Digg concept, right?
- Mark Hartwell
Ian: if Last.fm has value it will cruise right through a wrongful attack. I'm not saying it's right, or pleasant.
- Robert Scoble
Mark, go away, you're just making things up now..... It's simple, intuitive, and elegant. You're just not very bright. The fact you can't suss it out is a reflection on you, not the site.
- Matthew DeVries
Yeah, Last.fm will survive - think of the man-hours it took dealing with the mess that Arrington created. A lot of time and effort went into cleaning up a mess that Arrington gleefully made. And again, no acknowledgement from him that he was in the wrong.
- Ian Betteridge
Matthew: stay nice. It's not that easy sometimes for newbies.
- Robert Scoble
Or English isn't your first language. If that is the case, then yes, it can confuse, I apologize.
- Matthew DeVries
Matt, your comment on Arrington's post is funny dude. I give it ten minutes :)
- Jason Nunnelley
I just read this entire post. I'm so sorry I wasted my time. Maybe we should ban the use of cell phones and IM just in case. Like FriendFeed, they also make it too easy to talk to people.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
I'm not trying to show him up with it. Just a personal experiment for myself (my post on the TC thread)
- Matthew DeVries
This Last.fm thing, this is what drives my Perez Hilton comparison. He got to create a hurt, damage something, and while Last.fm will probably whether it, nothing bounces back to TC. In fact, it grew their market, and put more money in Arrington's pocket.
- Matthew DeVries
on such a beautiful sunday, how on earth could anybody be paying attention to arrington's opinion - he is a self serving dolt...
- mike "glemak" dunn
ok, i've read arrington's post. and most of this thread. the syphilis analogy was probably just something that mike has been wanting to paste and share since he read that book. the laporte / arrington "war" lasted all of 10 minutes. what that exchange DID expose was a lot of pent up anti-arrington hate. why do so many people think arrington is an asshole? simple, he IS an asshole. if i...
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- Mark Hartwell
ok Robert If you are going to remove mike's comment couldn't you at least remove my reply to him also? Now it stands out like a sore thumb of dumbness in a sea of irrelevance. :-P
- Rasmus Lauridsen
Well he was right about the Mob! I'd delete my FF account but what's the point? For delivery of content its great, but for hanging out, I don't have the skill or patience to go toe to toe with a Mob of spoiled intellectuals.
- aTechDude
Rasmus I haven't removed any replies on this thread!
- Robert Scoble
yay then he removed it himself. Mission accomplished :-)
- Rasmus Lauridsen
who cares.
- Stalyn☂
"...it [friendfeed] will be forced to evolve to something less dangerous or it’ll destroy itself." At the risk of inciting an insanely dangerous mob, what a freakin drama queen.
- Christopher A Carr
Glad to know you know me so well @Zudfunck, So I'm a "spoiled intellectual" from California... Not a 29 year old college dropout living in Randers, Denmark? Wow you know me so well almost better than I know myself. Thanks for the generalization, it totally helped my mood :-P
- Rasmus Lauridsen
What an odd post - I like Arrington, but it's posts like this that make him come off as a bully. The mob boss?
- Jesse Stay
Robert: "Nice mob you got here" ~ Kevin Costner in Wyatt Earp
- Sean E Brown
I think Mike is paranoid one of those startups he loves to put in the deadpool want HIM in the deadpool :p
- Mark
A salad? You see this is the Kevin Rose effect. All the young kids up and coming in tech are all skinny, and they rock climb, and drink fashionable teas from around the world. No more fat techies with these guys in charge. Crap.
- Mark
@mark dammit I need to work out then, thanks for not sending me that memo before now! :-P
- Rasmus Lauridsen
Lost me when he got to the pustules part.
- Oldengrey (Jay)
from fftogo
Mike Arrington's is not on the global radar, so his rant is useless. There are major social media shifts in developing countries, violent regime crack-downs, and tech developments leading human dignity campaigns.
- E-Advocate Network
Yawn, change a few words and it could be used by any class with power, religious, political. IE. Admin blog power, Green Dam, RIAA, Tehran, Bush. Read/Write culture is showing tremendous growth. There is no one person, power, group or nation that can change any of it. Call it Mob call it anything you want, but for 99.99999999999% of the population. His rant is a YAWN. It will change nothing and have no effect not now or ever. There is nothing to fear here move on.
- Robert Higgins
The biggest problem with Mike Arrington and MG Siegler's arguments is they only seeing this problem because of their position. I've said some pretty fierce, opinionated things on FriendFeed, Twitter, and elsewhere, but I'm not fearing for my life. Nor would I in the near future. Even though we're not anonymous on FriendFeed or Twitter, it doesn't matter for most because we're anonymous enough to where enough people are going to care enough to do something to us.
- Jared Mehle
+1 SpragueD, the difference being Ann Coulter has a pair of *cojones.* she wouldn't need months of seclusion and grief counseling after someone spat on her.
- Karim
Karim: I am no longer speaking at any TechCrunch event, according to an email I just received. Just so we can clear that part up of the conversation above.
- Robert Scoble
What a bone head move by TC.
- Mark
Sorry, I don't join mobs.
- xero
Wait. MA's issue is with Ff and it's people, not with Scobleizer. Why would he ban you Robert, and not us? You can't speak at TC, but the Ff mob is still welcome?
- Matthew DeVries
Matthew: I don't know, but he clearly was not happy with something I said above.
- Robert Scoble
Matthew: Mike considers Robert the leader of the FF movement for some odd reason. Cult leader. He evangelises the service so he must be the one getting people to threaten Mike, right.
- Mark
He is not even on any advisory boards or consulted on feature rollouts......IIRC Ff is ran buy Paul and some other dude.
- Matthew DeVries
I do see quite a few posts defending, or at least clarifying for the positive things about Arrington....*sigh*
- Matthew DeVries
Matthew: it might have been a comment he deleted over on TechCrunch too. I don't know. I'll talk with him when he's calmer and see what got him to use that stick on my legs.
- Robert Scoble
It's getting to the point that Wil Harris and Martin Sargent are the only TWiT panelists that will appear together. (hyperbole alert)
- Matthew DeVries
Does Wil Harris have a Ff?
- Matthew DeVries
Don't think so. We have work to do to get alot of the big twitter users over here.
- Mark
Friendfeed is ours. We own it, not the celebs who own twitter more and more :/ FF is for the geeks.
- Mark
The people I'd love to see over here, Scott @extralife Johnson, and Kevin Smith.
- Matthew DeVries
@MDV, love to see Scott Johnson here. I think he could benefit from the more media-rich capabilities of FF. Also wouldn't mind seeing Wil Wheaton here, too.
- Jason Huebel
@Jason: http://friendfeed.com/wilw
- MikeAmundsen
Robert... he *disinvited* you to London? lol. petty. perhaps not unexpected though, given his penchant for drama. http://dramabutton.com in the movies they call it a "plot point."
- Karim
Send him one of these, Robert: http://saydrah.files.wordpress.com/2008...
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Karim: I'm going to London, just not going to speak at any TechCrunch event I guess. I'm going as part of http://www.travelinggeeks.com
- Robert Scoble
No, he got your London credentials pulled. "We got a burn notice on you, you're black listed"
- Matthew DeVries
©Scoble, you said, "...he only can hurt you if you let him. If your marketing campaign relies on TechCrunch then your marketing campaign is bad and needs a major rethink." According to a rep from a huge tech corporation, even an unknown blogger can damage a company's ability to sell a product. When I asked for permission to review a new device, the response I received conveyed this warning. I never wrote the review. I'm not sure I ever wrote any others.
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
MiniMage: yes, any random person can hurt you, but only if that pain resonates with others. If you have a great product or service, it will go on. Look at Apple.
- Robert Scoble
Matthew: where did you read that?
- Robert Scoble
Matthew: Arrington isn't in charge of http://www.travelinggeeks.com so he can't pull my ticket from London. He can, however, keep me out of TechCrunch events.
- Robert Scoble
I'll read this thread, but why is Mike angry with you, Robert?
- Stephen Pickering
Stephen: I don't know. I guess he feels I turned the mob against him. Or something I did over on his blog bugged him (he deleted a comment where I wondered whether his attacks on FriendFeed were driven by his inclusion on the Twitter Suggested User List, which delivered to him $250,000 of value and that he never discloses when he talks about social networking). Funny if it's that because it's pretty much the same thing that he did to Leo Laporte that pissed off Leo so much.
- Robert Scoble
I didn't Robert, I was quoting the opening of Burn Notice eps.
- Matthew DeVries
from fftogo
Yeah, I was just thinking that's what Leo should have shot back with, and I was just thinking the same thing about the SUL and how dramatically that's a bigger deal to affect their coverage of Twitter than Leo's getting a pre for a week. I'll try to start being just positive like you suggested earlier, but it makes me wonder if TechCrunch got as many @replies attacking them as Mike...
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- Stephen Pickering
I guess I'm agnostic on this issue. I do feel, however, that when there's repeatedly smoke, there must be something that's overheating pretty damned often. I mean, Bill O'Reilly and Rush Limbaugh always blame "the receiver" if they disagree with anything "the annointed" have posited. (No, I'm not directly comparing Michael A. to those guys, but if he's claiming to be misinterpreted by so many so often, something doesn't add up. Isn't he a "professional" in communications, after all? Just sayin...
- Mark Jepsen
I thought friendfeed was the "coolest app nobody uses"... now we're the mob ;) guess we're moving up in the world guys.
- Frankie Warren
lol Matthew -- no, the "Burn Notice" intro goes like this: http://www.hulu.com/watch... My name is Robert Scoble. I used to be a social media expert. Until... [VOICE ON PHONE: "Arrington put out a burn notice on you. You're blacklisted."]
- Karim
"A former Cable TV host who used to inform on you to the FBI: [You know Web 2.0 bloggers, a bunch of BITCHY little girls]"
- Matthew DeVries
LEAVE MIKE ARRINGTON ALONE!!! *cries*
- Alejandro
If this has already been posted, I apologize, but the bad side of a mob can be seen here: http://hashtags.org/tag... When a twitter / ff user says he's going to commit suicide and a bunch of people encourage him to do so.... Not a good example of the "mob."
- Ben Hanten
Ben: so, a bunch of Twitter users flash a stupid hashtag, it shows up here on FF as being ported from Twitter (http://friendfeed.com/search... - note the point of origin and how many users here actually used that tag), and somehow that's the mob that Arrington is talking about?
- Steven Perez
I agree with Mike too, except for the syphilis comparison (could have used a better analogy).. Emotions + Real-Time communication with the rest of the world can blow matters out of proportions very quickly, and especially so when not everyone reads all 286++ comments..
- Winston Teo
::Glances over and walks on by....again::
- Geoff Schultz
Winston: the problem I have with is with the equating "social media" with "FriendFeed", Seriously, this place is worse than, say, 4chan? Or Digg? Or Stormfront? Really?
- Steven Perez
Because Arrington didn't note this as a general problem. He specifically targeted FriendFeed over some of the worst social media sites out there. For that reason alone, his article is laughable.
- Steven Perez
@steven Yup, I would say it's not only about FF. But his "theory" makes sense in a general way, IMO.
- Winston Teo
Winston - I see you're new to Arrington's "Victim Tool" it's one of most used and most skillfully wielded. It's a shame that there isn't penalties for diving in tech, like there is in hockey.
- Matthew DeVries
Well, welcome to 1997, Winston. Because "mob mentality" has manifested itself since comic book nerds were flaming each other on USENET over whether Hal Jordan or Kyle Rainer was the better Green Lantern. If general assholery was the issue, then not only did Arrington's point hit wildly off the mark, it didn't even land on the same planet. I've been here for a year, and while people do...
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- Steven Perez
Not enough page hits, or not enough fans to drown out the dissenting voices. Arrington et al can hide in their imaginary utopian internet hangouts (as if they exist) and shut out everyone who dares to suggest they're wrong, but they need to stop attacking FriendFeed. It's not the cesspool they pretend it is.
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
My take is that Arrington doesn't like FF because he can't control what goes on here or what is said about him here. He can't delete the comments on threads (unless they are his own), like he can on his own web site.
- Jeff P. Henderson
@Clark heck, "threads" on Twitter are so disorganized that you can barely call them that. *grin* (I realize some of the desktop apps make them easier to review, but still.)
- Ken Kennedy
Mr. Arrington has a good point there: aggregating opinions and discussion indeed create online mob. We just saw it in many real examples.
- darwin|1q84
it is always easier to lead a mob than a person.
- darwin|1q84
I concur, darwin|1q84, especially when no one moment can be the whole truth. Mobs form quickly and often without the *whole* story. real-time, while useful in many contexts as Louis pointed out, can lead to a quick-time mob mentality that gets out of control fast. Great discussion. Brings up a lot of things.
- chad calease
Forums can be every bit as nasty as FF.
- Christopher A Carr
It has nothing to do with the medium it has everything to do with people.
- Geoff Schultz
Surprise surprise, Arrington deleted my comment on his thread. As I said above, he really doesn't like it if people disagree with him in "his own territory", does he?
- Ian Betteridge
If this thread is too much to read through, just parse the comments for the word 'control' Those 7 items explain why Arrington can't handle FriendFeed. nuf said.
- Christopher Harley
I'm not sure where Mike Arrington was back in the late 90's, but I was smack dab in the middle of a vibrant CNN online community where discussions happened in real time with real names and yeah, there were mobs around certain issues. Anything to do with the Middle East, or Bill Clinton was guaranteed to be a 24/7 shift for the elves who scrubbed the spam and the flames. This isn't new. It's been around since the cave man days. It's only a question of how it's manifest.
- Karoli
LOL of my comments over there he removed the one where I argued against Sean MacDhai for calling Michael a Douche. Guess he just wants to continue being the victim. I actually liked MA's stuff and enjoyed the turds he threw out sometimes. But deleting comments supporting him so he can just look more like a victim is low... Guess I'm gone from there.. His comment moderation makes it impossible to carry on a conversation, self serving as it is...
- Rasmus Lauridsen
the bully pulpit worked. against the bully.
- Rick Cogley
I think it's time to give him the only response I deem to be effective - removing techcrunch from my feed lists. Bye bye, MA. You won't miss me, but I'm certainly not going to miss you and all the drama.
- Adrian Scicluna
Having stepped back and thought about it, I think that there's a serious point struggling to get out of Arrington's post. He's choosing to blame tools like FriendFeed for people being vitriolic, but real-time tools - like any tool - don't make people do anything. People *choose* to be vitriolic: it's part of their make up, their culture, their approach to life. The problem that I have...
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- Ian Betteridge
The fact that Mike is deleting comments that don't suit his needs and banned Robert S from Tech crunch events tends to prove my suspicion, and this is about control. He doesn't control the Ff conversation and that's what bothers him.
- Kim Landwehr
from BuddyFeed
@Kim And also the reason he chose to pull out from FF in the first place!
- Adrian Scicluna
It strikes me that Friendfeed tends to fuel invective out of partisanship or loyalty because threads like this one and the TWIT episode thread attract groupies. The bile comes from what the spewers must see as the most noble of motives -- sticking up for their Friend.
- Amyloo
the best analogy for friendfeed he could come up with was syphilis? Yeah that's not link bait. I'm sure the guys at friendfeed are just thrilled with Mike today.
- timepilot
I think Mike got used to shouting fire in a theater and he is now upset that the theater goers are organized and calling him on it. give me a break
- timepilot
Discussion of these questions is welcome with the understanding that the dialogue is invigorating.
- Mike Chelen
I would think Arrington's credibility is in question when bashing FF (or other social networks) when he is on Twitterr's SUL. No?
- Kevin Whalen
from email
That actually is a good and somewhat novel point in all of this Kevin.
- Matthew DeVries
Kevin: the praise for twitter is that it is less effective for communication, friendfeed should be thankful for the nice compliment ;)
- Mike Chelen
Andrew Terry: the post actually is much more insightful if taken to apply more generally, however it does single out friendfeed as somehow qualitatively worse than blogs or twitter :D
- Mike Chelen
It is rather silly that FF's supposed Achilles heel is that it's too effective at bringing crowds together. Mike's unspoken counterpoint benefit to Twitter is that megaphone-style broadcasting is still possible without too much interruption from the public.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
I prefer twitter because individuals are individuals on twitter and there is nothing meaningful to say in thirty seconds in a flame war or a thread with 322 replies
- Michele Costabile
Michele, you just have to go up 1 to find one, Daniel's post was probably the most meaningful thing said in this thread, it was post 320. Need another, go up 6 to Kevin Whalen. There's plenty of well thought out things still to be said on this subject, even if it's this big.
- Matthew DeVries
We could certainly use some threading options in the comments UI, maybe even some upvoting and other dynamic resorting. These big threads tend to buckle under their own weight.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
from IM
*shudder* no voting or per comment liking. Then we do become Digg. There's nothing wrong long with long tracts of prose. It requires participants to be literate and skilled readers, and pushes away the fools. If it needs distilling, do it second hand with blog posts.
- Matthew DeVries
Daniel, I like time sequencing on big threads. I'd like to see simpler respond identifiers so when someone says "Jason," I know which of us billion or so Jasons he's talking to. I much prefer this to seeing comments floating around based on up and down votes.
- Jason Nunnelley
I did throw in the qualifier "optional" to my feature suggestion. I guess y'all's vote cancels out mine :P (http://www.theonion.com/content...)
- Daniel J. Pritchett
from IM
Daniel, welcome to the democratic process. Facts and logic need not participate ;)
- Jason Nunnelley
Michele: individuals can be seen clearly in friendfeed once familiar with the interface, and followed or unfollowed similar to twitter
- Mike Chelen
Guys, Mike should remove the post from Techcrunch or else we will start a group to protest against him
- Michael_techie
Guys, please join this group http://friendfeed.com/hate-mi... to protest against Michael Arrington
- Michael_techie
You created a group called "Hate Mike Arrington?" Wow.
- Mark
Michael_techie - That was a stupid room to make, and it's not funny, or clever, or ironic. You're probably a psuedonym for Arrington trying to create a problem that doesn't exist.
- Matthew DeVries
Yep, we should show how big is Friendfeed
- Michael_techie
Um, no.
- Steven Perez
from IM
Sorry @Michael_techie that's a fail. I think its time to move on and think about more positive stuff. It's 22 hours since @scobleizer started this thread, its like years in realtime web. Seas have already flowed under the proverbial bridge on this one.
- Rasmus Lauridsen
Yes, you won't see threads like this any more. Scoble wants more positive threads and is trying to make up with Mike Arrington who has denounced their friendship after several years.
- Mark
Daniel's post was an appropriate end for it. For me anyway. But there's no way to silence the thread without deleting all my posts and hiding it. That's a brokeness of Ff. It will keep popping in my notifier and my discussions filter even if I hide it.
- Matthew DeVries
@Matthew hey we should pile up this conversation in separate room
- Michael_techie
As an aside, anyone know if Michael_techie has ever mattered? Can I block him without consequence?
- Matthew DeVries
@matthew Are you promoting Michael arrington
- Michael_techie
As a FF user, It really hurts when some one call us as mob
- Michael_techie
Yeah, He's a flawed guy like us all, and I've always said he never should have taken an ounce of flame the second Leo forgave him, and the community is better with him in it. I wish he hadn't left Ff. But he is wrong about some things. Many things. Like all of us.
- Matthew DeVries
@matthew, He shouldn't call the whole FF users as mob, coz he got some hatred messages
- Michael_techie
Black Sabbath said it best: When you listen to fools, the mob rules.
- Andy Dustman
It turns out Twitter isn't the one taking down the service. It's NTT America, according to @al3x Twitter's API Lead. More details:
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al3x's Tweets: http://twitter.com/al3x... "Yes, we are communicating the importance of keeping the service running to our hosting provider. We'll see what we can do."
- Robert Scoble
al3x #2: http://twitter.com/al3x... "@pierre NTT America. They're good people, and they've been trying to do this backend network upgrade for some time."
- Robert Scoble
Leo Laporte loses it with Mike Arrington...seriously. - http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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update from Arrington: http://www.techcrunch.com/2009...
- Zee.
Pretty amazing
- Dan Morrill AKA Techwag
go leo!!!
- Jay Martinez
wow. I've never seen that side of Leo.
- jbrotherlove
naa, no way Cristo.
- Zee.
Mike later said "it was important to disclose that. Palm canceled [TC's] review unit after [TC] wrote critical articles".
- Jérôme Flipo
i've never seen Leo lose it like this before
- Zee.
What Cristo said.
- Anthony Citrano
from BuddyFeed
"I can assure you Mike Arrington will never be on anything I do again. - Leo Laporte"
- Jérôme Flipo
discussion here: http://friendfeed.com/twit-co...
- Zee.
I don't get Arrington's point. Many journalists/bloggers get free review units all the time, and Leo said he had to return his. *shrugs* Arrington is rapidly becoming the Mark Cuban of the tech world.
- LANjackal
C'mon, even Arrington's Wikipedia entry says he's a troll: http://en.wikipedia.org/w... (I didn't do it).
- Rob Haas
can't stop watching Leo say "fuck you guys..."
- Zee.
I laughed my as of. I mean holy shit man.
- Matt Ruiz
Cristo: Arrington is quite frankly an asshole. I don't get why anyone reads TechCrunch or anything related to the site, I've blacklisted it from my news sources
- LANjackal
@Cristo: I don't doubt that's the case. That's why I deliberately refrain from reading articles by bloggers who behave in that manner or are venomously biased.
- LANjackal
@cristo: but Dvorak is smart, nice, and well-rounded.
- Anthony Citrano
from BuddyFeed
Can someone give me a quick play-by-play? The network here at the library is too slow for video.
- cecily
:D Thanks, Cristo.
- cecily
Leo Laporte has always been classy, even way back in the 90's when he was doing his tech radio show. That's why people listen to and respect him. The gillmor gang started out interesting like 5 years ago and quickly devolved into a sour morass of bitter tech journalists talking over each other, fighting, blathering and pontificating. They try to act as wise, old sages dispensing salient...
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- mike
That's weird, I mean sure Arrington is being an ass - every single pre-launch review you see was a "free Pre" there's no reason anyone would think otherwise, but why suddently turn things off after that? That said, I've never seen that show before.
- Richard Lawler
Oops - accidentally deleted my comment. The jist was GG needs Leo (a professional broadcaster) more than it needs Arrington (a professional writer). That said, it looked a bit staged to me.
- Martin Bryant
did this happen today?
- J. Abdul-Qahhar
@J yep
- Zee.
@mike: embarrassment requires self-awareness.
- Anthony Citrano
from BuddyFeed
Sorry Leo, but you just fed the trolls. Entertainment at its finest.
- Shannon
Are we going to find out a week from now this is like the MTV movie awards ala Eminem and Bruno, that it was all staged?
- Laura Zickus
I think they've already kissed and make up
- Jerome Gotangco
Laura, it definitely wasn't staged. I can tell you that Steve & Tina Gillmor were shocked, and then Steve furious that his show was cut off without his say-so. What bothers me about the whole thing is that the one who didn't do anything (steve) ends up looking like an asshole in the aftermath, inviting the Twit community to a free-for-all at his expense. He's a big boy, can defend himself, but it's undeserved and does a disservice to his work.
- Karoli
His perception was that his integrity of an honest review was questioned since he had a special hi tech unit for 7 day review. When a person is honest and their integrity is questioned it's extremely insulting. Whether the person intended it or not. From what I've seen Leo Laporte is genuine and authentic as well as transparent. Hopefully this gets resolved in the best possible way for both of them.
- James Stratford
I was watching Leo's twitlive.tv stream for hours leading up to this. Unless they palnned it the day before, which seems unlikely, it wasn't staged. Even if I hadn't been watching I would have a hard time thinking it was staged. Leo hasn't ever done a stunt like that before so why would he start now?
- jccalhoun
Leo went a little nuts. Yikes.
- Johnny
Part of it is jealousy on Arrington's part that he was promised a pre-release review product and didn't get it. Whereas Leo did. Jealousy is what this is.
- Diego Barros
way to go Leo.
- Alan Le
Both parts of the show are here: http://feeds2.feedburner.com/TheGill...
- Jack
If you've "been in the valley since '89" and haven't heard of Leo Laporte until FriendFeed, then you've been under a rock in the valley. He's been very well known in tech circles for at least the last 10 years.
- Chris Luckhardt
We each live under our own little rocks. I'm sure everybody involved in pretty much any field can name three or four or six people in that field who *everybody* MUST have heard of. Who you have or haven't heard of is a pretty lame way to keep score.
- Ken Sheppardson
Astonishing. I have watched Leo for years and have always been impressed with his amiable, good natured demeanor. I'm sad to see him lose composure like this, even if he was "provoked". In the space between stimulus and response we always have choice.
- Sean Oliver
Leo is the man!
- Bradley Goetsch
LOL I see someone has come through and sanitized all his comments and deleted himself......again......LOL
- Matthew DeVries
Wow, totally shocking. Leo is nomally so calm, this is really baffling; out of character moment. Leo really lost it there ... Oops! That was majorly ackward
- Susan Beebe
It's obvious this thing is going too far when Arrington's wikipedia page gets hacked with the 'troll' bit.
- George Hall (Australia)
from BuddyFeed
Wikipedia defacer and clueless pottymouth added yesterday's video and a comment to this (stub class) bio. It was reverted by bots. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki... - "Note: This page has been semi-protected so that only established users can edit it. " - (edit) I think the pottymouth was some other anonymous troll, my mistake. The first was just a...
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- Richard ¿digame? Walker
Twitter's Alex Payne told me that Twitter will be competitive with friendfeed, Facebook, and whatever Google will do. More here:
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He told me they are going to add features that look like friendfeed's "likes" and "comments."
- Robert Scoble
Good, their Favoriting system right now is useless. It would be great to do more with Favorites.
- Rob
He's already got the Favorites/Stars feature, sex that up a bit and it could eventually be comparable to Likes. The comments will be good to see.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
But will it tie in other services the way FF does and put them into your Twitter Feed?
- Mike Bracco
But he said they would be different, though. Also, during his talk at #140TC he told the audience they would make other changes to support search, including adding location based info to each Tweet.
- Robert Scoble
Great, more Fail Whales!
- sean andersen
Hmm, interesting to hear.
- phil baumann
Phil: they know they are getting their ass kicked in search and are making metadata changes to head off the new competition.
- Robert Scoble
Any other changes to their search?
- phil baumann
At the end of the day, everyone copy from friendfeed :)
- Orli Yakuel
so they're basically ripping off other sites' ideas because they've realized they're way too limited with their own?
- Cee Bee
On the other hand, I'm listening to Twitter's Britt Selvitelle and he says he still thinks every day about the SMS constraints.
- Robert Scoble
Cee: absolutely. I would.
- Robert Scoble
@Rob - Favorites aren't entirely useless. I feed my Twitter favorites into my Friendfeed via RSS and they occasionally start new discussions:.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
All interesting, but it seems they are moving further away from the core purpose at this point.
- Patrick Boegel
Phil: they didn't announce any specific changes. These are more "hints" at what is to come.
- Robert Scoble
who cares about SMS? Seriously, they need to ditch that constraint
- Andy Hedges
Buzz: agreed!
- Robert Scoble
Buzz: on the other hand, GupShup in India is growing faster than Twitter is because it supports SMS.
- Robert Scoble
i understand. what i don't like is that people who use twitter don't credit or see the value in friendfeed, but will gush over these "new" features on twitter
- Cee Bee
I hear younger folks (teens and collegiates I guess) still care about SMS far more than us working IT pros. Let's not throw the baby out.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
SMS is HUGE in India and other countries.
- Robert Scoble
Cee: that's life. That happened in Microsoft Windows too.
- Robert Scoble
Daniel J. Pritchett: I've been doing the same with my Twitter favorites.
- Joe Bonner
@Cee Bee - I'm happy that consumer web apps are ripping each other off. Each time FF successfully rolls out a great new feature they elevate the minimum expected level of acceptable service for new competitors.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Isn't there a Twitter equivalent in India that has hundreds of millions of users that haven't even logged into a website - all done through SMS - including the sign up process.
- Mike Bracco
Joe: Twitter's favorites are hard to separate out from the messages, though. So it's hard to say "show me all Tweets that have #140tc in them but that have one like." Doing that here is VERY easy.
- Robert Scoble
Mike: yes, that's GupShup. The founder is here at #140tc
- Robert Scoble
I guess it needs to be an adaptive interface then, changes to suit the users usage modes
- Andy Hedges
@Daniel ok, I stand corrected. That's one nice use of it. But we need searching of favs and the ability to see who is fav'ing. At least they (Twitter) are finally catching on to the potential of that feature. Too bad it took 2.5 years to realize that.
- Rob
Robert, do you think they can catch up with Friendfeed in terms of features and reliability?
- Jérôme Flipo
Maybe SMS is huge in countries that don't charge an arm and a leg for the privilege. I'd love to use it more often but not at $30/mo.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Jerome: yes. But that assumes that friendfeed will stand still and stop doing new features.
- Robert Scoble
I agree with you there, Rob. I'd like for "twitter favorites" to be an official service recognized by the FF API so that it would be easier to search on as you mentioned just now.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Robert, assuming that the FF team keeps up the good work, naturally :)
- Jérôme Flipo
Hey, if Twitter manages to consistently stay within 12 months of FF in terms of awesome new features the web will be a much cooler place overall.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Jerome: or, like Mark Zuckerberg told me "the race is to who can build a great search engine that has 250 million people on it."
- Robert Scoble
Daniel, I 100% agree
- Alex M.
At least Facebook as a revenue strategy, I just don't see that in FF or Twitter
- Chris Patterson
Mark already has the 250 million people. Friendfeed has the great search engine. Twitter has neither. So, who will win this game? Heheh.
- Robert Scoble
I think Pakistan has a SMS twitter clone they just released today. SMS is why I joined twitter. You can search favourites with http://twitter.infinityplusone.com/Search-...
- motownmutt
SMS is a terrible interface for anything and all it does is make the phone companies piles of cash
- Chris Patterson
Doesn't the popularity of SMS in India have at least something to do with the fact that few people have access to voice mail? I think I had heard something to that effect.
- Christopher A Carr
That's the geek in you talking, Chris. SMS (and Twitter) are so sucessful *because* of their simplistic natures rather than in spite of them.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
I like Twitter just not SMS, Twitter did't become useful for me until the desktop clients came along
- Chris Patterson
What is the over/under on how long it will take b4 we see a blog post using "Friendfeed killer" in it's title?
- Davis Freeberg
It seems like Twitter doesn't know what it wants to be. Do they want to be like MSFT and Windows and let everyone else make the apps or do they want to make the apps themselves. Apps in this case would be additional functionality built on the Twitter's raw data stream. Is this a poor analogy? I view Twitter more as a platform.
- Mike Bracco
I'd like FF to win the race, since the team seems to care more about its vision and users than Twitter or FB.
- phil baumann
Of course I still prefer FF. It woudl be very hard to have and follow this conversation on Twitter
- Chris Patterson
Sure, The Twitter API can be Win32 and Summize, FriendFeed et al can be value-added acquisitions.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
from IM
Daniel: so you're saying that you think Twitter will IPO? I'm just wondering how acquisitions would be funded otherwise.
- EnterpriseVault
No clue re: IPOs and acquisitions, I was just playing off of the Microsoft analogy above
- Daniel J. Pritchett
from IM
Chris: agree that following conversation is easier, (possible, even), on FF. twitter's in reply to's only work sporadically, especially with 3rd party apps. Trying to extract in depth conversations on twitter is a huge time-suck.
- motownmutt
Daniel: thanks for clarifying. I actually think the same however there is no business path to it for now (IMO, that is).
- EnterpriseVault
Robert: Thanks for clarifying the limitations of importing Twitter favorites.
- Joe Bonner
sms popularity in India is nothing to do with voice mail. SMS in India is like Mozilla ubiquity for firefox. A command line interface for the mobile phone. Booking flights, paying bills and other thousands of usages including social networking.
- Kiran Patchigolla
Interesting to see this post a few days later. No, I don't think twitter is going to be "competitive" with the Wave that Google announced today. A participant, for sure, but competitive? In their dreams.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Chris: I see more of a revenue strategy on FriendFeed in the long term that (for sure) Twitter, and likely Facebook. Facebook is lagging, while I see the structure in place for FriendFeed to seriously take over.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
You might like that one http://www.twittori.com which ads geotags to twitter messages already today
- enzo
iPanties: Slide to Unlock - http://www.facebook.com/ext...
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Too bad they're grannies.
- Mona Nomura
from Bookmarklet
No.
- Derrick
you call those grannies? Honey, you don't know grannies.
- Laura Norvig
Derrick honey, you are biased. ;) Laura - those are totally grannies!!
- Mona Nomura
Locks? I'm not sure I like the lock idea ;-)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Look at where the slider is positioned, people!
- Mona Nomura
i like 'em.
- ♥patricia♥
You have a sexy, sexy granny Mona.
- Internet's Tad
Is it a worry that you had to call out the lock location? And as far as grannies go... they're alright :-)
- Rob Kramer
Where's the t-back version?
- AJ Kohn
those are plain ole' bikini underwear. These are granny panties: http://bp3.blogger.com/_svG_Pa...
- Laura Norvig
@Laurie, Oh man. Those are serious granny panties!
- ♥patricia♥
I'm thinking Mona likes the kind of underwear that covers her womanly bits with dental floss. [EDIT: Not that there's anything wrong with that. I bet she looks smokin' in em.]
- Laura Norvig
+1 Laura
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Speaking as a heterosexual male, I think these are great.
- Tudor Bosman
from email
Partial to the floss ;-) and LOL @ Rick
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Rob, you do seem to have the physique to be able to wear floss appropriately...
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Or why where any at all?
- Charles Alden
HA! I didn't mean for myself!
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
I've always liked the bikini cut...
- matthew john ernisse
Charles: the seam in blue jeans can be quite irritating for some people, knickers help prevent that.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
With my luck I'd get the endless, spinning color wheel.
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
from fftogo
instructions, pffft...i dont need no stinkin instructions!
- Carlos Ayala
++MVB!! LOL And Laura, those are horrific!
- Mona Nomura
OHHHHH SNAP
- Andru Edwards
*calls wife to ask if it's okay to "like" this*
- ha3rvey (needs soup)
from fftogo
Hahhahahha! Harvey!
- Mona Nomura
I'm surprised Apple wasn't like, NOPE SORRY. "Objectionable content." Lawsuit.
- Shawn Farner
Charles: Try riding a horse bareback while going commando. You'll become a believer (at least part time!)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Wow, Gizmodo faked the model shot. That's dedication to your craft right there.
- invariant - farewell FF
Where's Leather Donut?...weighing in with his intuitive thoughts??? Myself: Granny nope :/
- sofarsoShawn
Me doing my LD impersonation: RAWR!
- ♥patricia♥
Me doing my LD impersonation: easy & easy access double RAWR!
- sofarsoShawn
Wow - I've seen this on a T-shirt, a doormat but THIS is awesome!
- BEX
Awesome.
- Sean Oliver
Bloomers = grannies
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Plus, if they were granny panties, shouldn't a grandmother be in the photo? lol
-
1up Outsanity...but, ewwwww
- sofarsoShawn
For Shawn to say ewwww I am terrified of reading Out's comment. So I will not loolllll!
- Mona Nomura
You know you're going to... Your finger is just itching to click the more comments link, lol
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I can slide it with open arms. :)
- Alp
This beats all other iterations of the "slide to unlock" schwag...
- Jon, the Beartato of FF
Out, I am not loll! You're freaky deaky dude. And you guys are all missing where the actual slider is positioned. Cha-Chiiiing!
- Mona Nomura
from IM
Mona, I know you are hinting at something so but I've been rubbing my screen for the last hour trying to work it out and all Ive done is worn a hole....what am I doing wrong?
- Threepwood
lollll!!!! Hahahahhahahahhahahhahahha!!!!!
- Mona Nomura
I love that people on this thread mimicked another user's comments. That is just so great. And Laura- those grannies are criminal.
- anna sauce
OK random comment, what is the nailpolish doing in the granny pants photo?
- anna sauce
Anna!! I didn't even look at the granny-roos Haha!
- Mona Nomura
notice how everything predicated with an "i" now a days....now iPanties...what's next...by golly?
- sofarsoShawn
iWin7? lolll!
- Mona Nomura
from IM
iAn Ziering started it!
- Joe Pierce
Its all nice but please get it off Celina Jaitley, she is yuck and she talks weirdly. Please photoshop it on someone else. Then I would enjoy it more. =P
- Faraz Mullick
supper :)
- Serkan URHAN
Mona these are not grannies, Laura's url was grannies. seriously!
- anna sauce
These are TOTALLY grannies!
- Mona Nomura
They dont' look granny like to me. I'm just sayin'
- Joe Pierce
whatever you call them they look good on her :)
- (jeff)isageek
@Jeff, yeah, but they'd look even better on her floor! Bah-dump, cha! Thank you, thank you. I'm here all week.
- Joey Gibson
* _ *
- yasin ghasemi
From what Kevin Smith told me, every woman has a pair of granny panties.
- Steven Perez
MONA WINS THE HOLY FUCKING SHIT AWARD!
- teh Dork Knight aka Kenny
I agree: NOT GRANNIES! SHEEEEESH!! I would call these normal undies :)
- Zulema ◕ ◡ ◕
want
- Baard @ Pixum
Is there an API for that? ;)
- Jason Williams
Or just an Auto-Lock = Never setting ...
- Patrick Jordan
Aren't those things always permanently on Auto-Lock?
- Kittyburgers
The password is always TEQUILA
- Moved to Facebook
from fftogo
This would sell AWESOME in the Chicks with D*cks/ Wangs demographic (hermaphrodites/pre or /during op Trannies) market, so as to jump the lines at sporting venues etc. & YES they ARE GRANNIES!
- sofarsoShawn
面白い。けど、パートナーがこれつけてたら大ウケしちゃって、Un-lockどころじゃなくなりそう（笑）。
- Sakurai.Catshop
それよりムードが・・・（汗）あはw お初です。萠と申します。てきとーによろしくです☆
- Mona Nomura
これをつけているときはok.のサイン……いや待て、そもそも下着を肉眼で確認できるときは、すでにStartしてるよな……？
- 椎出啓
椎出啓氏：だと思われますw
- Mona Nomura
@mona 初めましてです。monaさんのポストは、よくlikeされるみたいで、実はちょくちょくお見かけしておりました。
- Sakurai.Catshop
from fftogo
ありがとうございます！レス、いつでも大歓迎ですよー 日本語打つ機会あまりないしw てか最近日本語忘れ気味でヤバイです。かなーり・・・（汗）w
- Mona Nomura
With my luck, they'd be password protected.
- Robert Hafer
Mona, if these are granny undies, what exactly do you wear? lol
- Daynah
Anna, apparently the nail polish is there to give perspective on how giant the panties are. Full story (towards the bottom of this post): http://metalia.blogspot.com/2007...
- Laura Norvig
Liked 滑动解锁 裤衩 XD http://is.gd/x2pF
- sG
creative :-)
- Rick Cogley
@Mona - ウケる。これ見たらなんもできないね。
- Rick Cogley
@Mona: checkout http://ipanties.weebly.com. They are real!
- david braginsky
stalker FAIL: http://twitter.com/dosborn...
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you must be ego-searching all the time, to be able to catch something like that!
- Shivanand Velmurugan
Facebook drops other shoe tomorrow? - http://www.techcrunchit.com/2009...
Aaron Crews, Nicholas James, Daniel Rowley and 37 other people liked this
I know its asking for too much, but here's hoping for OAuth so we can try to standardize some of this stuff!
- Mike Flynn
yeah, open standars will be good. i'm hoping.
- rama mamuaya
The article's analogy to when AOL "opened up" internet email to the masses scares me to death.
- Jon Adair
We need decent FriendFeed to Facebook integration. Going via Twitter isn't the best solution.
- Peter Kelley
Interesting that there are so many retweets, and so few comments. What is there to say in the moments before Facebook eats Twitter?
- Cliff Gerrish
Seeing integration for FriendFeed where we can comment on Facebook entries directly, see more data flow over from Facebook to FriendFeed (sans every annoying notification about every quiz someone takes) will be very nice.
- Kevin Kuphal
Actually, I think Twitter can be saved in several ways. I think they could come out on top if they really kicked things in gear differently. Been blogging some thoughts on that,
- Ken Camp
I agree with the comments about open standards. Along those lines, I don't think choosing a platform needs to be an all or nothing decision. The redundancy and additional reach that multiple platforms provides now is very beneficial. Inter-service messaging would be helpful and annoying if you are tracking multiple services, but there would be a way to "tool" around that issue.
- Larry Roth
Shouldn't Twitter be saving itself? Why would it be up to the users to save Twitter? And re: standards - the word 'open' is redundant. You just need a standard that works to transport messages between the services.
- Cliff Gerrish
They've also announced support for the Activity Streams standard today http://wiki.developers.facebook.com/index... this could help towards creating an open standard for Lifestreaming.
- Mark Krynsky
Wow, a worm is absolutely *eating* Twitter, and all the big tech sites are still snoozing.
alex de carvalho, Kol Tregaskes, Donna Payne and 32 other people liked this
what ya mean...
- Rob Sellen :o)
There's a worm spreading through Twitter -- apparently through infected user profiles -- which causes multiple spam messages to be sent out from your account.
- Chris Baskind
yikes...and how do you avoid that??
- Rob Sellen :o)
Right now, by staying the hell off Twitter. :-)
- Chris Baskind
I don't even remember the last time I was on Twitter....
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
ok.. I will too then ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
I use Twitter a lot. But I think I'll stay away or use a desktop client until this worm is better understood.
- Chris Baskind
Again?
- Eric @ CSTechcast.com
Yes: don't go to any profiles, read on search.twitter or FriendFeed, e.g., http://friendfeed.com/coturni...
- Bora Zivkovic
Yup, I had been checking a profile to see if I'd follow back and whammo. Very annoying.
- Heather Solos
Is it happening on any browser other than Firefox? I know a Mac/Firefox user that got hit.
- Chris Baskind
Okay, I'm going to do my usual habit and ask: Is there independent verification of this worm?
- George Hall (Australia)
Would that be the Stalk phishing one, by any chance?
- George Hall (Australia)
yeah
- Rob Sellen :o)
I've seen a ff regular who got exploited. He decried the spam tweet in a ff comment after it fed in.
- Micah Wittman
StalkDaily site is BIG problem on Twitter right now.
- George Hall (Australia)
Those of use still unaffected by it trying to warn people about it over on Twitter. Looks like it's a FriendFeed usage day
- George Hall (Australia)
Now, this question definately has to be asked...since we have Twitter feeds here in FriendFeed, can it in any way, shape or form affect here? Might be a good idea to check that out and start limiting any flowover into here.
- George Hall (Australia)
The only thing that flows here is text. You'll see the spam, but I doubt there is any issue with an infection.
- Eric @ CSTechcast.com
Good. Might be an idea keeping an update of the situation via my feed here. That would be safer than Twitter right now and more helpful. I've been wanting to see how Friendfeed can be used in a crunch.
- George Hall (Australia)
OMG is there anything we as FFer's can do to help!!!
- sofarsoShawn
yeah.. we can them OFF twitter ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
Here's one starter feed: http://beta.friendfeed.com/twitter...
- George Hall (Australia)
And lets show the strength of FriendFeed by showing it's best features in a crunch, as opposed to critizing the opposition...
- George Hall (Australia)
FriendFeed filter as an RSS feed added in TO a feed. Possible or not?
- George Hall (Australia)
Mohomed: Thanks. Added that url to my update feed on the problem.
- George Hall (Australia)
Still waiting for that technical advice on how to add a filtered search into the feed...
- George Hall (Australia)
All my tweets are disappeared a week ago. I was rarely posting to Twitter. But from now on, I won't :( Still no fix.
- Onur Gündüz
Maybe FriendFeed created the worm to spite the competition! I kid I kid... maybe. :-) Long live FF! Viva la revolution!
- Dane
the tech team at twitter is either working overtime, or on a long weekend of easter, just like every other company!
- Anurag Gupta
Mohomed: Want to bring a friendfeed search on stalk into that room/feed in some form or another. Either as an RSS feed, or some other way to add it into the total picture already set up. I actually want to see if we can help with Friendfeed's capabilities.
- George Hall (Australia)
Is the Twitter API affected? I use HootSuite primarily, can I get infected through that?
- Christiaan Conover
So far they've said search.twitter.com and third-parties okay, but there was a recent tweet about it being a js/rss exploit of the api, while another considers it an XSS exploit.
- George Hall (Australia)
Even tried looking at old version of Friendfeed to work out that problem, Mohomed. It's something I can't work out intuitively...so anyone with better technical understanding, give a clue please.
- George Hall (Australia)
Well, it was at least a start, doing that room/feed. It made a start at collating information to help people handle the stalk worm problem and give some demonstration of Friendfeed's better capabilities. More experienced Friendfeeders can better that feed.
- George Hall (Australia)
Arrington threatened me if I take any photos or videos of the crunchpad. After seeing it I will buy three and put friendfeed on them for my new studio.
Barbara Duck, Scott Loftesness, David Wynn and 82 other people liked this
Wow, look at the likes pour in!
- Pat Hawks
One real time filter per screen would be sorta slick.
- Ken Sheppardson
Not to be snotty, but could it handle the new friendfeed?
- Christopher Galtenberg
Him throwing out those "It might not happen" comments on the TechCrunch piece makes me worry. I would love to have one of these around for both the office and at home.
- Mike Flynn
how about crunchpad impressions in crunchy peanut butter? ;)
- bob phillips
Is Arrington underselling it?
- J Allen
Christopher: yes, it is fast enough for realime friendfeed.
- Robert Scoble
The only downside I see is that it is a bit thicker than I would like.
- Robert Scoble
I want one for my living room so people don't need my computers to check their emails. I like the idea of having a cheap internet computer for guests.
- Andrew
crunchpad would be great for a variation of my tv/video concept piece. The Cabinet of Dr. Caligari... Instead of a rotating barber chair in a room full of video feeds, you could have walls covered with filtered feeds. Imagine Scoble fastened in the chair, without controls, slowly rotating through the feeds.
- bob phillips
Do you think I will manage to get one before leaving the bay at the end of the month? Or at least to see it? :)
- Kurai (ff)
@Scoble How thick is it? Hard to tell from the photos.
- Mike Flynn
Price will be my only concern lol
- Dean Clark
Is it fast enough for Hulu? That's the question. :-)
- Kevin Fox
The real question is if it's fast enough for Facebook and playing 10 different racing apps at the same time on Facebook.
- Alex Scoble
How's the capacitive touch screen?
- Rodfather
Hmm... does it have video out? HDMI to a 42+ screen on the wall would be sorta slick
- Ken Sheppardson
I would love to have one with the EEE keyboard
- J Allen
Mr. Calacanis just posted one ;) http://beta.friendfeed.com/jasonca...
- Lasse Johnsen
Rodfather: the prototypes work great.
- Robert Scoble
break the embargo! unless it was a physical violence threat... O_O
- Alejandro
Was it heavy? Big battery? Compared to a 2lb device.
- Rodfather
Rodfather: it is slightly less than 2 lbs with battery. The engineer who is building them says production units should be lighter.
- Robert Scoble
@jasoncalacanis has a picture, is that the latest ?
- Ranjith Antony
Boris 'The Blade' Yurinov: [referring to Tommy's gun] Heavy is good, heavy is reliable. If it doesn't work you can always hit them with it.
- shayne catrett
Maybe 4-5+ hrs with an Atom.
- Rodfather
Why do I want someone to break an embargo on this? Gee, let me think....
- Bwana ☠
If its priced right, it might be a good way to put up live feeds on your wall and just let them run. No interaction just let the feed run for viewing. Like a Stock ticker.
- CW™
I'd pay $200 more if they added a Wacom/Ntrig digitizer along with the capacitive touch screen.
- Rodfather
Rodfather check out this video http://qik.com/video/1429553 in which Michael Arrington gives a price of $150. It's near the end. Is he talking about the CrunchPad? You be the judge. There are also shots of the CrunchPad.
- Loren Heiny
The threats are rich coming from a guy who broke the FriendFeed Beta embargo an hour early just to get the scoop!
- Paul Jacobson
give jcal my love! xo
- sean percival
$150 with a nice profit? We'll see. Looking at Steve's guesses on specs and price, it's looking a bit more. http://www.umpcportal.com/2009.... I don't know how much individual components cost but would like to know how much a 12" capacitive touch screen is.
- Rodfather
Sounds like we'll know next week.
- Loren Heiny
The $150 is a joke. I don't think they will be that low.
- Robert Scoble
I wouldn't think so either. He didn't jump at your offer of $1000. :-)
- Loren Heiny
michael thinks "..on sale next week and delivered next month" http://qik.com/video/1429553
- Lasse Johnsen
Developers/engineers always underestimate what a hardware product costs (wishful thinking or deliberate misinformation?). The parts costs may be $150-200 (but even then unlikely) but what about all those other little incidental things like transporation, money costs, packaging costs, marketing costs and god knows what else?
- Brian Sullivan
Like profit? (Is that 'money costs'?)
- Kevin Fox
I just want to use Loren's Inkgram app again. http://www.tabletpcpost.com/InkGram.... Add a digitizer and pen garage and price it $400-600.
- Rodfather
Yeah well that too.
- Brian Sullivan
Will get one if it runs Linux. :D
- Rom Feria
Robert - ok when you are allowed to - post pics!! :)
- Susan Beebe
I like seeing that the units appear to be working prototypes. That's cool. Always difficult to tell from single photos.
- Loren Heiny
Josh: nah. There are already plenty of pictures out. I just want to be the first customer.
- Robert Scoble
LOL
- Mona Nomura
I'm guessing VPN and remote desktop (or logmein.com) are outside of the scope of the device?
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
There is no embargo. The people behind this gave a "state of the union" here: http://www.techcrunch.com/2009.... It's at the prototype stage, no investors, no business plan. Not to say they won't get this, but it's still early.
- Stan Scott
Just had a look at the crunchpad article. Scratching my head on it, but I think it would win me over if it could be used also for graphics purposes...stylus preferably...so can it do that as well?
- George Hall (Australia)
CrunchPad would be great for watching movies and hulu
- Christian Burns
It's too early for something like this to work considering they will cost >$500 a pop.
- Internet's Tad
really? that good eh...
- Zee.
3, though?
- © b e e n s w a n k
if i can casually throw this in a backpack WITHOUT the screen getting F.U.B.A.R., then me wants one very much!
- shayne catrett
I will believe it, when I see it.
- Jim Connolly
Jim are you talking physically see it? OR seeing previews of it as they are all over the net ;)
- Nicholas James
Sounds like some people are thinking of using CrunchPads as generic PCs. That's fine if the cost and weight can be kept down. If not, I'd say keep iterating on the concept to see if a netbook or kindle priced device can be developed. Without any of these, the experience is going to need to be quite compelling.
- Loren Heiny
Nicholas - I meant to say, I will believe it when I see a devise, as feature rich as this, on sale for less than $150. When did lawyers start designing hardware? I missed that :)
- Jim Connolly
What I would love to see in ANY tablet but especially in this one is a decent artwork program. PocketPC's and Palm handhelds were always great to draw with, but were on ridiculous-sized screens. I'm surprised no one has thought to market a tablet computer as an art tool.
- George Hall (Australia)
great article on the growth of framebars (diggbar). lots to learn, thx all for the ongoing feedback - http://digg.com/d1oRtH
Chris Luckhardt, Andre P. Siregar, Brian and 2 other people liked this
diggbar and others like it are evil http://shiflett.org/blog...
- Randy Pollock
Not a big fan of the diggbar. Kind of surprised this came from digg.
- Corey Marthaller
Lesson learned: don't try to jailbreak an iPhone with little free space. Restoring. I'll try Pwnage when there's a little more free space.
Jeff Carter, Daniel Rowley, Valley and 18 other people liked this
What made you decide to JB?
- Gunny doesn't side-hug™
yeah, you gotta have space. whoopsie!
- Josh Haley
just re-jailbroke mine, tethering & copy+paste FTW!
- Jayesh
Doesn't AT&T know you are tethering and charge you extra? It's a rumor I heard, at this point.
- Josh Haley
What apps did you install after JB?
- Doug Sampley
Why were you trying to jailbreak, Leo?
- Lise
I tried pwning a couple of months ago but pwnage wouldn't work on the new MBPs. Has this changed? [Edit] Assuming you used your mac of course.
- Kamath (नमः)
Used QuickPwn on the Mac - had to install old USB drivers on 10.5.6 for DFU to work, but it was easy enough.
- Leo Laporte
Have you tried the 3.0 betas yet?
- Patrick Jordan
I used QuickPwn and it works good. I like it for running Apps in the background and ability to record video!
- Philip Mikaelian
as Leo said, QuickPwn is the trick, as to why would one Jailbreak? Really now, why wouldn't one Jailbreak and utilize ones iPhone to it's full potential?
- Jerry O'Connell
A new design for FriendFeed at http://beta.friendfeed.com/ - http://blog.friendfeed.com/2009...
Sharon McPherson, cshirk, Anthony K. Valley © and 325 other people liked this
Great job!
- Robert Scoble
Nice job friendfeed!
- Kevin Mohr
Awesome work!
- Aaron Draczynski
Indeed, very good job. Gives me some ideas on Nambu integration.
- Gersham Meharg
realtime by default now eh? nice
- Karl Rosaen
I hate it. I love it! I haven't even scrolled down to the bottom yet. Hold on.......ok, it's good. :-)
- Jeff Eddings
Cheers Bret & team - it's feeling pretty good so far (which includes initial gut reaction)
- Christopher Galtenberg
Nice job. I can at the very least say it is a big improvement aesthetically. I haven't finished checking everything out yet, but so far so good.
- Rolf Schewe
why there is no Re-share function?
- Tony
I miss the ability to have a Firefox sidebar setup that just had my list of items scrolling past and nothing else along the side like this view: http://friendfeed.com/realtim...
- Justin Yost
Reshare will be back. Just an artifact of beta-testing, didn't make it in for this morning
- Bret Taylor
Definitely not looking for attention here, but I just don't like it.
- Nick
This real time integrated updates is pretty kick butt. Especially for comments.
- Gersham Meharg
don't like the grey background
- Moses
Any new comment can not move up this item?
- Tony
Our settings vary to prevent things shuffling around excessively. We bubble up when someone you are subscribed to comments.
- Bret Taylor
I like the updating comments, but when it shifts what I'm reading out of the frame it's a little distracting. Overall, great work!
- Derek Coatney
also wish i can add links/pics/embed in the "comments"...for example, i'd like to include an image of my email from http://www.emailcover.com, but it only shows up as a link
- brainno722 (Peter)
thanks, it looks awesome!
- Dani Martínez
Congratulations guys on a job well done!
- Thomas Hawk
Love it, but needs a floating Pause button.
- Barak B
+1 Barak
- Kenton
Barak, very good idea
- Kol Tregaskes
The filter is great! But any filter can not output to friends.
- Tony
+1 Barak
- Tony
what filter?
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
adding a filter sucks, things like has comments from should ajax populate :(
- Stuart Evans
from twhirl
you can create filters when you click "filter"
- Tony
The anticipation was high, but so was delivery! Great job FF team.
- Micah Wittman
Awesome!
- Iván Abrego
Like it! Facebook import (notes & link, not status) seems broken though...
- Alex Lomas
A keyboard shortcut for Pause, maybe?
- Micah Wittman
Thanks, Alex, we will look into it,
- Bret Taylor
Can you open an existing conversation in a new window?
- Barak B
1st look is good, like the real time...didn't make it to the bottom the first few minutes. Also the comment box drops down as I am commenting now...message got off screen ;)
- Sanne Buurma
please add keyboard shortcut for play/pause feed
- Ouriel Ohayon
Please, remove the gray background. Any color, but not gray.
- bnoise
Agree with Andy, dislike the fugly grey
- Sally Church
Barak: click on the timestamp to open a conversation in a new window.
- Kevin Mohr
Barack B : you can click the time and select open in new window.
- Simon Wicks
Just bring back the filters to the main feed. Other than that, it looks awesome :D
- Gerardo Curiel
Agreed, the grey isn't that great.
- Gersham Meharg
refresh the page would move up the item which have newest comment?
- Tony
sad grey: why don't you let everyone choose the colour of the background?
- Davide Leonelli
looks awful for me - http://www.flickr.com/photos... - do not like the gray or the wasted space
- Nick
Grey or not, rather think about what the beta has to offer in functionality
- Sanne Buurma
Please, bring back service icons near each post — it's very hard to scan information flow without them. Also hope you'll do something with new subscription module — it's unuseful while managing a lot of imaginary friends.
- Juras Vetrau
Nice. Good job guys.
- Peter Kruit
The colouring needs looking at for sure. Unless, of course, you are going to redesign the logo? ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
dislike the grey, sorry
- Manuela
Agree on colouring - but hey its a beta. Thanks Bret.
- Roberto Bonini
But Bret, picking a nice background colour is basically free (although I guess you should really be testing 41 variations :-))
- Alex Gawley
perhaps highlighting your own comments in the flood of comments (easier to scan/find)?
- brainno722 (Peter)
agree, gray background is bothersome.
- AJ Kohn
Wait, is the frequent shifting up and down of items I'm reading (i.e. the items in view) really supposed to work out well? I suppose you guys tried it for a while and you just got used to it?
- j1m
Peter, yep but thankfully the Cleaner FriendFeed GM script still works in Chrome and FFox, which does this for you.
- Kol Tregaskes
Don't like: broke my Blocks list, Block not available from Hover Menu
- Will Higgins™
Why Will Higgins have a superscript of "TM"? how typed in?
- Tony
it keeps the bad low-contrast grey on white text for comments that deters me from reading it. You made the main text bigger, now make the comment text black.
- Kevin Marks
Fantastic job guys !
- David Berrebi
can't see source of posts and comments
- Moses
Will: block will be back, just missing today, but it is not something we are removing (just something we didn't get in for this morning)
- Bret Taylor
I think you guys should really embrace the idea of hashtags. Let us add them to other people's posts, having various services auto-tag imported items, let us search on them using filters. Tagging is one great way for us to get a handle on the volume of information here.
- Kevin Kuphal
What's with the orange and the green on the side? Its a bit ugly if you ask me. Also, is there a way to change this, as well as make the beta permanent? (I like living on the cutting edge).
- darnell
I too like the orange and green. It's the blue I'm not sure about. :-)
- Daniel Dulitz
I like the FF blue
- nouhad
Yeah, but it clashes with the logo. Either Friendfeed needs to change their logo, or get rid of the colors. Or (even better) allow users to change the colors. :-)
- darnell
Looks horrible to me, I think we should have a customizable interface more like iGoogle, I like the idea though, just more customization, like sidebar customization, friend lists, realtime widget, chat widget, all movable and arrangeable, there sure is enough space etc...
- Kyle Weller
I'm with Kyle and Darnell - I like being able to customize my GMail colours, and having that feature on FF would be cool
- nouhad
Sorry, I don't like it. Real-time makes me nauseous still and the design is terrible.
- Lindsey is Fierce!
Yes, bring back service icons, somewhere. Also, the bigger font in entries doesn't look good.
- bnoise
Ignoring 71 previous comments... I really like the new design! One request: allow the pause button to follow my cursor as a scroll down the page!
- Chris Messina
+1 Chris Messina. That would be an awesome feature.
- Beau Liening
Add a floating "COMMENT" feature at the bottom of each thread, so I don't have to scroll up to click "comment"... this is a weird experience in new beta UI
- Susan Beebe
@Ari: This is why I really think tagging is what they need to focus on. If we could each add #ffbeta or something to our own posts as well as others, you get the trending and other features that twitter already has. Combine this with filters and you really get some killer information management features.
- Kevin Kuphal
I really like having one UI instead of different modes (normal, realtime, miniwindow), but to support the old "mini window" experience, perhaps allow the right hand side bar with filters and subscriptions to be collapsible?
- Karl Rosaen
@Karl: API is key here. Twitter isn't massively popular because their website rocks. Twitter is massively popular because there's a massive layer of applications built on top of it. Build that for FF and you have the same potential growth
- Kevin Kuphal
I wish it could use more of the screen real estate of my monitor, given my normal window size, it has large amounts of unused space on either size of the content due to the fixed layout. Maybe a multi-column mode?
- Ray Cromwell
Nice job! but, where are my rooms??
- Krishnamoorthy
@Krishnamoorthy rooms I believe have changed to feeds beta.friendfeed.com/[room_name]
- Lou Paglia
the new design works better for me. I am sure there will be glitches, but so far so good.
- Sharon Hurley Hall
Is there a way to change my prefs over to to the beta so I don't have to keep entering beta.friendfeed...?
- Ryan Stanley
UI suggestion: there's a link to expand all comments, there should be one to collapse them as wel.
- Ryan Stanley
UI suggestion: after expanding comments you scroll all the way to the bottom reading the thread, then you have scroll all the way back up to click the Comment link. Why not have it at the bottom of the thread too.
- Ryan Stanley
Feature suggestion: FF needs a built-in way of referring to people publicly, just like Twitter's @. Perhaps use the same convention. But there needs to be a way people to address each other in public threads, so a user can make sure to be informed when people are talking or referring to them.
- Ryan Stanley
going to read through faq - roadmap of what made beta & what's going away would be nice - big concern for me is the lose of ability to expand lists to see individual participants - i find that one of ff's strongest features - that and block but i see from earlier in this thread that its will make it in later in beta (whew)...
- mike "glemak" dunn
Um, Twitter much?
- Christiana
A Pause button that follows you on page scroll could be more distracting than it's worth. But how about something like it appears upon a white space mousedown/mouseup event.
- Micah Wittman
You guys should use this userstyle: http://beta.friendfeed.com/ajbatac...
- Kyle Weller
Curious about how the new design will affect the iPhone version of the site...?
- Chris Messina
welcome qwerty. :o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
Hmm, I tried to read this thread, but I never got to the bottom, because the unexpected shifts of the text just became too much after a while. Fundamentally, if the page keeps shifting up and down unexpectedly, it's hard to see how anyone's ever going to read it -- hence the many requests for a floating pause button, which would help. You could also imagine pause on hover. Being able to read down the page without having the text disappear seems to me like the #1 use case of ff.
- j1m
I like it.
- Willem (@wim66) ☠
Of course, it's not really like you want Pause -- the real-time updates are great when they're below wherever the eyes are :-)
- j1m
I love the new UI! I'm a big fan. It feels a lot cleaner and more organized. The real-timeness doesn't bother me. It seems pretty clever about when and when not to refresh. Great job, guys!!! : )
- Jess Lee
Bret - Great job! There are certainly things to clean up before this interface goes to the main page. Rooms should REALLY be on the subscribed list on the right hand column. I would LOVE to be able to put Blank Lines in comments. I don't care if they count for a whole lines worth of characters (as opposed to a more common one character for the cr/lf) Blank lines make comments more legible and clear than just a runtogether paragraph.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
I don't like how the interface STILL loses my place if I subscribe to someone while posting a comment (or even reading it!) I should be able to subscribe to YOU while I read YOU and not lose my page place. The Page should need to be refreshed to reset everyone because of the new subscription.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
I don't know about the queued items, I like the real time feed, having selectable speeds instead of "over-caffination required mode" would be good. Most discussions this is irrelevant, but the discussion on tis new beta this morning (i.e. on scoble's feed) showed how insane that can be.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
The real-time-only feed in the beta is causing Safari 4b on my MacBook use up a lot of CPU cycles, hence depleting the battery faster. I'm sure FF3 will too. Please consider an "ECO Mode" similar to the current standard mode, which only refreshes once every few minutes, for those running their machines on battery power. Without such an eco-mode, and with the rapid-fire pace of live updates, I fear that I won't be using FFeed much at all. Certainly not leaving that tab open for hours on end like I used to.
- Siddharth Deb
I don't know if I've done something, or you guys did, but when I look here, I only have a few services setup in the account, when I go to the old interface I have a LOT more -I'm not certain that everything is feeding through? (i.e. I have Digg and Disqus set up, I see the correct list of icons on the old interface, but on the beta "settings" popup, No Dice. Even if this is irrelevant to the actual data flow, please fix this to make me sleep well at night. ;)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
One more thing - Could we have a character counter in the comments? It would be REALLY nice, if my account is setup to post this comment to my twitter account, and it's going to post the link to this discussion, please Add the number of characters in the link (plus a space) to the total character count. That way I won't be truncating the comment and/or the URL when it gets to twitter.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Another thing: I used to be able to click the "More" next to a single discussion, and "Link to this discussion" Where is that? If this is an outmoded way of thinking please let me know. Otherwise, um...can we have that feature back?
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Rob: the timestamp ("9 hours ago") is the permalink
- Benjamin Golub
Benjamin: You rock! Thanks!
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
do you need a techno dunce to help the average joe make sense of this?? haha...i love it...
- Lauren Shanahan
Very twitter like. But better due to nice conversational.
- xiawinter
I actually kinda like the grey... though it does look like it's an opportunity to let companies brand the background in some way.
- Frankie Warren
For cc to Twitter functionality, can the number of characters be a count-down instead of a count-up?
- Winston Teo
I'd like to second the notion that there should be a way to address an individual within a thread...the agreed upon "Rob:" works great, but maybe could be clickable so that there's no confusion as to which Rob or which Scoble you're talking to ;) (i.e. maybe a CTRL-Click or something on the person's name after their comment to start a new comment with their name at the beginning? )
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
The grey background looks kinda dullish, and it looks like someone ran out of ideas for colours..
- Winston Teo
IMO avatars occupy way too much real estate now, I liked the smaller ones better.
- ǝuǝƃnǝ
thsi is nothing on the new design, but after being on here all night with no attention to a down twitter, I am reminded of this: It would be nice if I could set the post to twitter for comments and likes a) permanent b) off or C) on a per comment/like basis -twitter users say this "yeah, when ppl I follow flood me with FF spam ... I usually unfollow ... even block if it irritates me enough." And I would like to be able to be easily selective of what gets put through, and it would get more GOOD attn for FF
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
please, for the love of god, move the "comment" link to the BOTTOM of the list of comments. seriously, am I the only one who can't believe this hasn't been fixed for so long?
- Dossy Shiobara
I like it
- Cristian
Great stuff! :-) FriendFeed does it better than Facebook. Please go real-time all the way for subscription requests and confirmatoions too.
- Nenad Nikolic
from twhirl
++ Nenad Nikolic
- Darren Heydon
I dont like nofollows on friendfeed and links are moved to urls very bad :(
- Turkey banned Bloggum :(
I like quick stats on user feed on top right of screen.
- Turkey banned Bloggum :(
Love the new friendfeed!
- Chris Martin
from Nambu
It's not bad, but I prefer the smoothness of the old one to the lines and edges in this new one.
- scott willeke
I love the new letter-counting post widget in the beta though.
- scott willeke
at first glance, find it much more readable than the old one. Pity there still isn't "my items that were liked or commented by others"
- Stephanie Booth
from twhirl
Bret: all the videos are now up at http://scobleizer.blip.tv -- thanks for inviting me and for all you do.
- Robert Scoble
I like this beta
- Goofy2
Stephanie: comments:1 likes:1 from:sbooth
- Justin Long
stephanie & justin - that is in the catch all http://beta.friendfeed.com/filter... - i went and liked/commented on something from each of you that had no other activity - you should both see that bubble up in /discussions...
- mike "glemak" dunn
LOVE THE NEW BETA ! the new filter is so powerful, more powerful if you could add "language parameter"!!
- foxmachia {山石}
still waiting for direct-to-room links on the right column, is it planned? (with lastupdated timestamps if possible)
- Kemal Hadimli
Nice.
- Thomas Chai
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