Just signed up around a week ago with livefyre. Have been more in listening mode but so far am really enjoying being able to really follow the live discussions.
- Jennifer Aderhold
You mean @replies are highlighted in blue? *mind blown*
- Johnny Worthington
Shiny! Must be better. Do they have a recommended users list? Can we get on?
- Chris Baskind
I thought that was cliqset? Only like 5 days ago
- Matthew DeVries
In biology, we refer to that colorscheme as "aposomatic". It means it's poisonous and will kill you if you consume it. Unless of course it's practicing Muelerian mimicry, where it pretends to be a poisonous thing, when in fact it's tasty and nutritious, like the Viceroy butterfly to the vomit inducing Monarch.
- Matthew DeVries
And oh my Bob in heaven...they are totally committed to this "fire" theme. It's like a restaurant that goes all the way to the hilt, calling bathrooms "Buckaroos and Daisies" "Maties and Wenches" etc.
- Matthew DeVries
And now I have that stupid Billy Joel song in my head... DAMN YOU SCOBLE
- Johnny Worthington
Well on the plus side, Livefyre allows you to report a user for things like "hyperbole"
- Eric Logan
Wow. That's ugly. I can't get beyond the ugly.
- Yolanda
I definitely am stoked to see live conversations, organized, too -- but I lasted about 25 seconds on the site
- Christopher Galtenberg
Oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooh I get it now... It's threaded Twitter conversations... except without using Twitter kinda... aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah... I wonder if it has the same 'noise problem' as FriendFeed does...
- Johnny Worthington
Looks like the type of site where the comments are going to be those of the YouTube variety.
- Yolanda
No time/date stamps, which made me a little confused, until I realized the comments were apparently last --> first
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
UGLY! No time stamps, can only see one conversation at at time. It think I'll stay here thank-you-very-much!
- Jeff P. Henderson
There are currently no fyres about sex. This site is either fake or not of this Internet.
- Andy Bakun
Doesn't really compare to Friendfeed as one of the main features of FF is still that it is an aggregator of all things. But there are some nice ideas in there. Will definitely have a look at it again over the coming weeks, hoping they will clean up the interface a bit. To little screen estate for the actual conversation and too much clutter around it.
- Mike Hellers
FriendFeed Comment is the new Yelp Talk. This tweet is useless without screenshots.
- Tim Jones
Is this a joke? It should be called HeadAyche.
- phil baumann
It's ugly yes, but come on guys, say something new. The ability to break sub-conversations out is interesting. They should look at creating new rooms in IRC.
- Kartik Agaram
Also, it seems like the conversations are more like IMs between a small number of individuals, seems like a lot of noise and not much true value... Could just be the quality of individuals participating of course... Something to watch, much like Google Wave in 2010
- Chris Reichow
I remember when everyone thought FriendFeed was ugly.
- Robert Scoble
Like Friendfeed, Livefyre allows people to join in conversations, but I don't see how it's better organized. I like the idea of kicking somebody off the thread if he/she gets too unruly, but I'm afraid someone might abuse it in the future and the result would be a thread that only the originator of the thread would like. I would rather have haters on a thread to show a semblance of balance. Livefyre's a great tool and hope to see more improvements in the future.
- Robert Sanchez Jr
It's better organized because you can find conversations by tags. So I can see only tech conversations. Here on FriendFeed I see all sorts of conversations mixed together. Also, LiveFyre lets you have threaded conversations, which makes long conversations much more useful.
- Robert Scoble
Wait, you can still see after looking at that page?
- Jimminy Fuller
Robert, you can really improve your Friendfeed experience by using lists. There's also robust search -- and metadata! I read that somewhere, at least. ;-)
- Chris Baskind
I think Robert's point is that FF lists only tag *people*, not conversations.
- Michael R. Bernstein
hmmm...Michael and Robert has a point there. It takes quite a bit of an effort to search for subjects/topics in Friendfeed/Twitter/Facebook as these seem to be more user-centric sites whereas Livefyre is more of a topic-centric. In Livefyre you can follow a topic instead of a person.
- Robert Sanchez Jr
Interesting how many people are focused on the look rather than the substance. This site has a lot of potential.
- Josh Fialkoff
Josh - Pretty is pretty important. I have to stare at that UI for hours and hours. It's best that it not make me stabby and depressed. I don't care if the site cures cancer, nothing is worth staring into that mess for that long.
- Matthew DeVries
This is a mess of a UI - If I'm looking for a real FF Clone, I'll go with Cliqset. It's about 2000 times prettier, same function, and none of those uncomfortably lame fire puns.
- Matthew DeVries
A comment to the effect that it was odd not to see a fire about sex impelled me to try to start one: "What do you think about sex? Join my conversation happening now on #LiveFyrehttp://su.pr/1LBCYf "
- SuezanneC Baskerville
Tags? People have to actually *create* those, and conversations are too throw-away to really have that done well, and avoid spamming (witness hash tags). That said, I have a saved search here on FF that shows me entries that have "protip" in the content, and it updates live. FF not having threaded comments is actually an advantage, it keeps things on topic and encourages creating new root entries as things diverge, or creating a room to centralize stuff on a single topic.
- Andy Bakun
I'll wait for the new UI in 2 weeks, I don't see anything appealing at all.
- Kol Tregaskes
Were a VC bankrolling these guys, there'd be WTF-AYFI meeting called yesterday to discuss this UI. Phrases like "not going to take this seriously" and "my money elsewhere" would be tossed about.
- Matthew DeVries
Ugly. Also unusable. Why is the actual talk box so narrow? Nothing like endless amounts of scrolling... I call fail.
- Otto
We should call this a ScobleRoll. He shamelessly pimps some site and we all flock to it to see what's going on only to find out it's utter rubbish. Next he'll be like, 'Hey, want to have a personalized site where you can share information with your friends while learning valuable web development skills? http://angelfire.com/ is the way to go. Getting a demo now.'
- Akiva Moskovitz
DO ANYBODY NO WHY SCOBLE IS USING A DEAD SERVICE TO PIMP ANOTHER SERVICE?
- Gunny doesn't side-hug™
gonna have to vote for FriendFeed - nothing that compelling on LiveFyre yet.
- Bill Sanders
I didn't like how the conversation was updated from the top rather than from the bottom like FF. Trying to catch up on a conversation was a nightmare with the text moving off from where I was reading it the whole time.
- 1x29
I can only imagine they are a little gutted to have courted Scoble's help / influence in getting their product more known when the initial feedback is surely what they knew already themselves [i.e. it looks awful! :)]
- 1x29
Fire puns are worse than the hideousness. "Is it in brush fyre or wild fyre?" The illusive sex threads are probably called "fyre crotches". It's also kind of insensitive since California burns to the ground every spring. Who wants to participate in a "forest fyre" about the forest fire where your friend grandmother just died. There's no RL analog to a Ff thread or Twitter tag that could offend.
- Matthew DeVries
Why wouldn't the illusive sex threads be called "bush fyres?"
- Jimminy Fuller
You can't swing a dead-cat without finding someone's profile declaring themselves a "Branding expert". You'd think someone would have told them how horrible and tedious punning up your brand is.
- Matthew DeVries
Guys, I'm having a big clear out on Twitter but want to make sure I'm following all my Friendfeed friends - could you please link to your twitter account in the comments below?
http://twitter.com/rahsheen - pretty positive there was a tool capable of doing this, but not sure if it still exists and can't remember what it was called...I think someone here developed it.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
What you can do is run this and then click all the Twitter links in the results. It's everyone you are following. It gives a big page of links to all their blogs and services: http://hiphs.com/ff/ffriends
- April Russo (app103)
April, I actually ran it, but it's still hanging, not as quickly as before but it only pulled 2800 of the users from Zee's public subscriptions. I really need to put more work into all of my Friendfeed backup tools. Note: I'm a retard, I'll dm you a list of your users FFriends and their subsequent Twitter accounts.
- Jimminy Fuller
The driver of this Bugatti Veyron, a million-dollar car, said a low-flying pelican and dropped cell phone caused him to veer off the road and into a salt marsh near Omega Bay in La Marque, Texas. Here, wrecker driver Gilbert Harrison attaches a towing cable to the luxury vehicle submerged in the brine on Nov. 11.
- Caroline
thats what you get for using your cell phone while driving.............
- VAL D. Zone
The fact that the driver owns a company which specialises in restoring wrecked Super Cars makes this sound too much like a publicity stunt.
- Mike Hellers
LOL@ the video on Liveleak, it really seems like a set up, and as Mike Hellers said, would be a great publicity stunt. I just saw it was one of 15 in the U.S... (pending follow-up)
- ElijahBailey-Zu of FF <0,
Details from elsewhere: He later told salvage experts that the hand-made 736kW engine gurgled like an outboard engine for about 15 minutes before dying. Police and firefighters blocked the road until the vehicle was extracted from the 70cm-deep waterway. The Bugatti Veyron is the fastest road-legal car in the world with a top speed of 407km/h — and it is also one of the rarest. Only 200...
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- ElijahBailey-Zu of FF <0,
Why is it that so many people who 'multitask' are the ones who can't quite do one thng at a time well...
- WarLord
So why didn't he shut off the engine? Nothing like sucking salt water in through the air intake (and into the combustion chambers) to make sure the destruction would be complete. This guy should only be allowed to drive a Kia, and he should be legally required to wear a helmet even then! (IMHO.)
- Mark "Lykkelig Nyt Ǻr" J
When I first saw the announcements that Google/YouTube would do a live stream for the U2 concert, I thought that this was as sign that Google took their massive network to the next level and enabled it for live streaming. But clearly, that was wrong, as the stream was delivered through Akamai.
- Mike Hellers
The Great Google Wave invite thread. Anyone who wants an invite post your Gmail address here and anyone who has invites available please use to invite the people on this list. There are also a bunch of requests in the Invites group here: http://friendfeed.com/invites
I have a few but holding them for a few people who have already asked me. I'm at kolint [at] googlewave [dot] com btw. A pain I know but if you can, could you update your comment when you have an account or just delete your comment. Ta! :-) EDIT: Try this site for invites: http://googlewaveinvites.com/
- Kol Tregaskes
Are people on this list getting invites or at least been told they have an invite on the way? You might have to be patient, it could take a long time for one to come through.
- Kol Tregaskes
Adam, yep agree. Maybe because I did that (month ago though) helped me get mine through from Vijay so quickly!
- Kol Tregaskes
@Kol, the invitation process seems to be based on nominations. For example, everytime someone nominates/invites you, you get bumped up the queue for an account until you're at the top and you get sent an invite by the team
- Ysabel Legaspi
Ysabel, ah I see, So lots of people must have nominated me. Darn, so a few users I have nominated could be waiting a looooong time. :-(
- Kol Tregaskes
if that voting system is right I'm very annoyed. I asked for an invite months ago, now all the numpties are all over it I'm not going to get a look in. It's like I've been sat at the front of a shop queue and everyone's just walking right past me into the shop. I am British but I detest both queuing and waiting, so this is pretty tough going
- Toby Graham
Like most other people, yesterday I wasn't aware of that I «needed» a Google Wave invitation this badly...but now I am!!! quackofdawn at gmail dot com
- Quackofdawn
Please I want a invite :( jesi.nieves at gmail
- Jesi
from iPod
neternity@gmail.com and i promise to send a wave of 100,901 twitter followers to your doorstep each of whom will have averaged 1 tweet in their existence - this might not get me an invite but surely it will get some notice - must have that something special - my google wave invite special sauce ingredient is twitter juice PS Not to be construed as an offer, not valid in any of the 53 US states, do not try this at home, caution: contents are hot.
- Ross Button
Anyone have already a wave invite?. I'm a developers anxious to take a look at wave. jmiguel.rodriguez at gmail.com . Thank you very much in advanced!
- jmiguel rodriguez
trentono gmail com...thanks in advance, mysterious stranger...
- Trent Olson
lol at this point i gotta think that by the time an invite makes it this far down the list i may already be at the top of the official invite list but doesn't hurt to try right? marco [dot] nunez @ gmail - thanks!
- Marco(aureliusmaximus)
I'm also trying. As Marco said, it doesn't hurt :) iamclem at gmail. thanks!
- Clément Simon
Hello, I would love to have a google wave invite too. ilteris@gmail.com thanks!
- ilteris
Oops! You said gmail address: marybaumcreative (at) gmail. Although I run marybaum@marybaum.com through gmail servers too.
- MaryB, BrandingBroadOfFF
from email
louisrbourque@gmail.com - an invite would be greatly appreciated, and I'll pass it on! Thanks
- Louis Bourque
from iPod
can you send me invite for google wave to i.igors (at) gmail (dot) com
- Igor Krstev
If any kind soul has an invite to spare, it would be gratefully received and shared on once GOOG get around to inviting me in. :-) The key piece of information belatedly being andy.bold@gmail.com kthxbai
- Andy Bold
Looking for one myself at alexscrivener (at) gmail (dot) com
- Alex Scrivener
I'd love an invite. I was sort of expecting to get one from Google, as I have been in all of their other betas, but to no avail :( carlton.prest@gmail.com
- Carlton Prest
Plesae send an invite! jwatson820@gmail.com
- Jonna Watson
damn, the pretty please guy will get one for sure, that steve guy @hotmail.com is likely last on the list - but we all will get one if that scobilizer guy notices that we are all here and asking and so cul cuz we are all on friendfeed - maybe if we twitter too it might help - hello google !!!!
- Ross Button
how do we know which ones are sent? I'm just doing my own thread.
- Raphael, Raphael
I've been too busy to get on FF the last few days....figures something important happening and I missed it! I knew about Google Wave but didn't know there would be a thread to post a request. In any case, better late than never, I'd love an invite at madeliene2007 at gmail.com. :)
- Bonnie Foster
I've been on Twitter all day trying to get one, I'd love it if my day can end by me finally getting an invitation :) I'll be sure to send some invites to other people in this thread! andryou@gmail.com
- andryou
re.renus@gmail.com somebody please send me a invitation... ^_^ : )
- Emad
wimmulder@gmail.com. Am really excited to try this out for a collaborative research project I'm working on. Hoping someone has an invite to spare!
- Wim Mulder
giuliocc@gmail.com . Keen to see if we can shake M$'s cage about messaging and collaboration.
- Giulio Campobassi
Would love an invite - jonathonc at gmail.com
- Jonathon
VitaArdiyana (at) gmail (dot) com, Thanks before Kol. I will delete my comment when i have my google wave account.
- Vimala Vita
Just digging into the comments now but let me begin by saying that you did an incredible job with this thread Kol, 473 (474 after I post) comments!
- Nicholas Kreidberg
Google Wave : Could anyone invite me ? : jean.charles.blondeau[at]gmail.com Thanks
- Jean-Charles
System Messages Invite Status: 17559 invite requests in the system. 7 invites confirmed as received by requester. 199 invites claimed as sent from giver.
- oliv21
How does anyone know if someone has already been invited? You could go back and edit your comment when you receive an invitation, but since that takes days, it could be ages before you know.
- marziah
I've not even had a nomination, RK. At google dot com I'm suezanne , in the event anyone wants to make a nomination. I've asked before on friendfeed. It's kind of humiliating to beg.
- SuezanneC Baskerville
i have decided that if i do indeed get an invite, i will decline, forward my gmail account to windows live and put ie back as my default browser and i will bing it
- Ross Button
@Ross: why punish yourself for something you didn't do? :)
- François Dongier
I just want some google love; just like the rest of us do; but n,o they wave at us as they have their private, invite only party; thumb to nose, fingers a waving - that's the google wave; we need a tshirt
- Ross Button
al86shaw@gmail.com :) Not expecting anything, but thanks anyway!
- Giraffes Up In The AIr
Send to me plz ,,, mxina.com {a} gmail {dot} com
- Mohammad Sharifi
Has anyone received their invite? I haven't yet.
- Rodrigo
from email
I'd love an invite to Google Wave pls. non-geeky bf got one before me! that's just not cricket.. hehe :) icetigerza (at) gmail
- Kim
Hello, if there's any invite left, you'll make me more than happy ;-) matthieu.beauval [at] gmail [dot] com, thank you !
- matthieu beauval
If there are still invites left daryl@learnscape.com.au
- Daryl Hunt on FF
Of all the people posting here the chances of me getting an invite are slim but I'm still willing to try. If someone wants to shoot an invite over to jcallahan126@gmail.com I'd REALLY appreciate it.
- John
from iPhone
Aww Did I miss the Wave of invites? Come on Kol... Hook me up! :)
- Walt Ruppar
It looks like it, although you might be able to use the hyperlink on the front of the Wave homepage to request an invitation, if it's still available.
- Tyson Key
Google Wave Anybody? I needz one plz... walt {dot} ruppar {at} gmail [dot] com
- Walt Ruppar
from iPhone
I'll give this a try: j.linkola at gmail - anyone have invites left?
- Jussi Linkola
Anyone can provide a Google Wave invite? bmtrocks@gmail.com
- Brian
Hi guys I realy Waiting impatiently, but still have no invite... can anybody sent me invite please please simplisityzehra@gmail.com thanks in advance
- Zehra
firatdemirel at gmail.com just needs an invite for Gwave. Thanks.
- Fırat DEMİREL
Does anyone have an invite to share? Can you send it to v9y.rec at gmail.com please? Thanks.
- Vinay | विनय
Can somebody send an ivitation to terror@gmail.com . Thanks in advance.
- Yiğit
Please send an invitation to me at trivedi.knz@gmail.com. I got tired waiting.
- Kandarp Trivedi
I'll be glad to invite others on this thread once I get mine. Thanks in advance.. Keep the thread alive.
- Kandarp Trivedi
rodgerdb@gmail.com ha oh man am I late to this thread =( Here's to hoping!
- Rodger Ballard
really need one, would be so grateful thacker90184@gmail.com
- brandon
I want Google Wave invite too, please sent it to: ric4p5 {at} gmail [dot] com Thanks
- jose manuel
If anyone has invites, could I have one please? tekked - gmail.com
- TechKid
allanbesselink<at>gmail<dot>com ... please!
- Allan Besselink
I'll wager that some of the folks on this list have received their invite by now, or no longer want one - I have 16 invitations at this instant. It's probably easier for me if you DM.
- SuezanneC Baskerville
fifiquimbo(at)gmail(dot)com. I would love one, thanks!
- Fifi Quimbo
I have 8 invites to Google Wave, if someone is interested, please DM with e-mail address. Ciao, Andrea
- Andrea Romoli
Yesterday the Yahoo! executive who reportedly oversaw Flickr resigned from Yahoo! according to TechCrunch. It was also reported yesterday that Yahoo has now retained Goodby, Silverstein and Partners to somehow try and recover from their failing marketing campaign. While Yahoo censors paintings of classical nudes from public museums, their employees are off getting public lap dances at Yahoo “Hack Day.” How can Yahoo seriously expect us to accept their $100 million marketing big lie that "the internet is under new management, yours," when they carelessly and maliciously destroy customer data without so much as a warning? Yahoo’s new $100 million marketing campaign should not read "the internet is under new management yours." It should read "the internet is under new management ours."
- Thomas Hawk
Nice post Thomas. Although I do not necessarily agree with all of the recent negativity about Yahoo! in the recent weeks, I do agree with a lot of the issues, especially the deletion of accounts etc.. It is good to see that there seems to be some hope that they turn it around for the better again. We shall see...
- Mike Hellers
I don't think all Yahoo is bad Mike, I'm probably still smarting over the fact that they nuked the one group on Flickr where I was super active, DMU (which has now moved to friendfeed), and that they refuse to consider reforming their practice of nuking groups and user accounts without warning or allowing photographers to self correct what they see as TOS/CG problems. Destroying a group...
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- Thomas Hawk
Wonder if the outage yesterday had anything to do with him leaving?
- Andrew Smith
Are you able to comment on what's up at Zooomr Thomas? At this point I don't intend to renew my Flickr Pro account and Zooomr was on my list however there doesn't seem to be much development going on there anymore.
- Kenton
Kenton, I'm not sure what Kristopher is doing at Zooomr right now. He'd be better positioned to answer any questions about development there than I would at present.
- Thomas Hawk
Thanks Thomas I wasn't sure if you were still involved much there or not.
- Kenton
Kenton, there is a new version of Zooomr in development (it was being translated to English from Japanese last I heard) called Zest, but I don't know when it will be released. I think he intends to send it to beta first.
- Celine Chamberlin
I noticed that Celine. Just wasn't sure if it was the "next" Zooomr or an additional product. Thanks for the info.
- Kenton
The rate of new subscribers to my own feed has slowed to a crawl. That's how I know. But Louis Gray's feed with hardly any comments? That's even worse.
- Dennis Jernberg
It's a Saturday at 1am, and the end of Blogworld Expo
- Jesse Stay
FriendFeed has never been all that busy on a Saturday night. My inane screencasts aren't helping. :)
- Louis Gray
If you want comments / conversations, maybe you should learn another language: http://friendfeed.com/search... I see lots of turkish, italian & iranian commenters
- arjo
Jesse and Louis: I love that you two are keeping a stiff upper lip, but, sorry, it's been very apparent to me that FriendFeed is changing. The influential geeks, if there were any here, have largely left and now FriendFeed is changing and will not be the same service a year from now that it was three months ago. I am writing a post that it has a future, but a different one. Be back in a...
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- Robert Scoble
The scary thing is that I know Louis & Jesse are in the same room commenting on this :)
- Mark Krynsky
My feed is always bustling, except on weekends (especially weekend nights).
- Beau Liening
With every negative post about FriendFeed the community dies a little. It's the MGs and the Scobles and the others that will kill FriendFeed.
- Jesse Stay
Regardless of the community I will always use it as a tool
- Jesse Stay
A community is only what you make of it.
- BLOGBloke
How you know Robert Scoble has nothing to do? He posts how a service is dead on said service.
- Uncle CW™
CW: true. But part of it is I'm hoping a thousand comment thread starts (that used to happen in the old days) telling me I'm wrong. So far five people have liked this thread and 12 have commented on it. That's not really a stunning refutal. Even for a Saturday night. And it's not the first time I've made this claim and it's not the first time I've gotten such a lukewarm rebuttal.
- Robert Scoble
Starting a post in the middle of the night on Saturday early Sunday, traditionally slow dead times for FF won't help.
- Uncle CW™
Sorry Robert, I'm not seeing the death. With any social network, there is a constant flow of people coming to and leaving the service. Sure, the early adopters will leave to play on the next new shiny service to come along. But there are still new people joining and still a core group of users that have been here for quite a while. Just because you are leaving doesn't mean everyone else is.
- Jeff P. Henderson
CW: again. This isn't the first time I've made this claim and at Blog World I had quite a few discussions with people who are noticing the same thing, even if they won't admit to such in public.
- Robert Scoble
Were back to the point in the cycle where Robert Scoble calls Friendfeed dead/dying.
- Andy Bakun
Jeff: I'm not leaving. You aren't listening.
- Robert Scoble
Could it be that everyone is sick of social media / tech reporting... NO... never... it couldn't possibly be the content... IT MUST BE THE SERVICE THAT'S WRONG... BURN IT, BURN IT WITH FIRE. It's frankly laughable that you base a service purely what you personally can get out of it in a professional sense Robert. Maybe FriendFeed is more social and doesn't fit into your self-promotion regime but my feed is still active. FriendFeed isn't dead... maybe you are just dead to FriendFeed.
- Johnny Worthington
It takes simple engagement to encourage comments on FriendFeed. I'm not seeing any less comments than I used to. If you ask the right questions, actually like things on FriendFeed (note that Scoble has stopped this), and encourage your audience to comment they will comment just as much as they always have.
- Jesse Stay
Jeff: Denial isn't helping. Discussions and activity are down. Robert's reduced use can't be given all the credit for that. The radio silence from FF/FB leadership is troubling. There are absolutely a lot of conversations here, but not in all the places they used to be.
- Louis Gray
Jesse: I am. And most of the traffic he gets is coming from his Twitter accounts. When I do that I get engagement too. Even here.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, you HAVE for the most part left. A majority of your posts now come from twitter and your frequency of comments and participation on this site is way down.
- Jeff P. Henderson
it is disheartening, well Robert you are part to this "death"
- ffcode
Robert, therefore your community will follow wherever you take them. It's not "FriendFeed's community". It's "Your community". Bring them back to FriendFeed and you'll see it change.
- Jesse Stay
Jeff: I can't keep focusing on a site that isn't getting developed. Sorry. That's not what I do.
- Robert Scoble
You people make me want to just shoot myself in the head,, cant you just let me have my fantasy for of a social network and let me pretend that your all my friends. Screw you robert... stop that crap,, your depressing me,,, I thought you followed me because you actually cared, or was that your damn autofollow bots ,,,,, and then he says friendfeed is dead hmmm wonder why.....
- Cjay
Louis, true, things have changed here on FF, but isn't some of that attributed to the normal ebb and flow that is seen on any social network? Not everyone stays engaged forever. It frankly takes a lot of time and effort to continuously participate at a significant level on any social network. Most of us have full time jobs that have nothing to do with social networks as well as family and other obligations for our time.
- Jeff P. Henderson
Robert, there's a difference between "not focusing" and "focusing on something else". Why be negative about FriendFeed when you can be positive about something that's better?
- Jesse Stay
Because Robert is scared of being left behind. He has to trash the old thing so everyone thinks he knows what the next thing is.
- Johnny Worthington
Jesse: I'm mostly just poking the bees nest by my negativity to see what comes out. So far crickets. And that is making me spend even more time elsewhere.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, you do realize that it's 5AM on the east coast, right?
- Chris Heath
Yeah, I guess, in contrast, twitter has had a lot of development. They reskinned it inconsistently, and threw the hardcore tweeters a bone with adding "lists". Twitter has been stagnant for way longer than Friendfeed has.
- Andy Bakun
Jeff, I am as big a FriendFeed supporter as everybody here. If I hadn't pushed it early, this place would be very different. But I agree that people are moving elsewhere, even if this is still the best platform. We need to hear some guidance. Johnny, I understand your position, but Robert is not that thick-headed. He's trying to work with what is passed his way, and FriendFeed is stalled right now.
- Louis Gray
Chris: social media is world wide. When I was on the BBC the other night a ton of people all over the world contacted me.
- Robert Scoble
Heh, everytime there's a "friendfeed is dead" comment, I notice that I had gotten 2 or 3 more subscribers in the previous couple of hours, _while_ I was sleeping on the couch.
- Andy Bakun
Robert, I totally understand your perspective, but I think you are a unique case. Most users criteria for using a site does not hinge on the rate of development of the site. Flickr is an excellent example. Flickr is a mature social site that receives few updates to its core functionality, yet it still has dedicate users that invest a significant amount of time there on a daily basis.
- Jeff P. Henderson
Johnny: at our neighborhood block party my neighbors have hardly even heard of Twitter or Facebook. Being left behind? I'm three years ahead of normal people. And I will go wherever the geeks go.
- Robert Scoble
Jeff: I never want to be most users. But the problem with FriendFeed is that most users had never even heard of it.
- Robert Scoble
that happens to me too andy, i'm about to hit the couch in a minute as I've been up for 21 hours and it's 5am - if i had been drinking tonight there's no way i could hold this conversation.
- Chris Heath
Jeff: Flickr was a huge success with the early adopter crowd before it went to Yahoo. FriendFeed isn't even close to being in the same league.
- Robert Scoble
Part of my love with FriendFeed was what it COULD BE in the future. So now that part of my fantasy is gone and I must see FriendFeed for what it is, not what it could be. THAT is a HUGE reason why I have moved much of my attention elsewhere.
- Robert Scoble
I will always use the best tools for the job and thus far this is it. I admit there is a lot of opportunity out there right now though so long as FriendFeed has slowed down their development. Until that happens, FriendFeed is the best tool for the job. That's not changing in any way for me.
- Jesse Stay
So why stir up crap like this post Robert. Smacks of arrogance and teasing
- Johnny Worthington
robert, if only friendfeed had a userbase the size of twitter, or facebook for that matter... maybe that's what i'll try and dream about tonight...
- Chris Heath
But Robert even if friendfeed looses all of its userbase the fact that it is a great place to have conversation can't be taken away
- ffcode
friendfeed is elite twitter is for everone else.
- Cjay
Johnny: now you are just being nasty. Why is it when a conversation doesn't go your way you have to bring up arrogance or teasing? This isn't coming from either of those places with me.
- Robert Scoble
ffcode: yes. And I'm pointing that out in the post I'm about to hit publish on.
- Robert Scoble
I think that this thread is evidence that FF is not dead yet...
- Jeff P. Henderson
So Robert, where are the geeks going? FaceBook? I would doubt it. Its a closed system. Geeks don't like that. Wave? Well there is no one there and its a service that is a collaboration mostly. So where are the influential geeks that you are speaking of going? If they are not here why are you not with them instead of causing a commotion here with blatant comment bait threads? Don't get me wrong you start some great conversations. This though is a old one that seems to be on repeat.
- Uncle CW™
friendfeed posts on twitter doesn't make sense even though the reverse is still legit
- ffcode
This is NOT teasing with me. I've dedicated more of my recent life (thousands of hours) to FriendFeed. This is SERIOUS business for me.
- Robert Scoble
Well if you want someone to tell you you're wrong, the last time I checked FF was not your own private Idaho for just you and your pals. I'm sure it's not in FF's business model either. Check your attitude at the door and make this place a little more 'friendly' and inclusive and maybe (just maybe) things will warm up a little. On the flipside, I'm sure your tongue is also in your cheek and hoping that FF management is listening and will get with the program. Am I right?
- BLOGBloke
CW: I'm studying 5,000 geeks over on Twitter. Most of whom are investing time there but not on Facebook or FriendFeed. Businesses? BIG TIME on Twitter. Celebrities? I had dinner last night with the guy who works with tons of them and he said they all are very dedicated to Twitter (except for what's her name). Facebook is getting some adoption, though, in the geek community.
- Robert Scoble
Guys, even if Robert is outnumbered here, let's suggest he is most likely right and not make it personal. Robert has been a longtime evangelist of the platform and is personally invested at risk to his personal reputation. (By invested, I mean in time, not money, lest that get asked)
- Louis Gray
BLOGBloke: sorry. You are wrong. FriendFeed has NO PEOPLE WORKING ON IT.
- Robert Scoble
Digging in our heels doesn't help. We need to learn if this can be a place to participate with no further changes ever, or if we want to scatter to the winds. Today, most people are happy enough with Facebook and Twitter, and that's not debatable, even if we know there is a better alternative.
- Louis Gray
No. You are not right BLOGBloke. I do not expect Mark Zuckerberg to dedicate any more resources to FriendFeed because of my nastiness.
- Robert Scoble
Robert and Louis well you are two awesome guys i have ever met and this happened through friendfeed, met a lot of great folks here. i think i know/ have some idea how you guys work and like you work till death attitude, and i respect that. but i would love you guys doing friendfeed more, remember the good old days ;)
- ffcode
Robert, I wish you were leading entrepreneurs to the opportunity and not leading them away. I agree there is a lack of leadership here from Facebook and the FriendFeed team, but to me that means there's opportunity. People won't discover that opportunity unless they are using FriendFeed. I'd rather focus on that in my posts and blog and elsewhere, rather than talk to the community itself. It's the entrepreneurs and opportunists I want to target, not the community.
- Jesse Stay
Interesting, I just received three new followers in the past 10 minutes. Not Dead Yet...
- Jeff P. Henderson
ffcode, I don't think my activity on FriendFeed has decreased at all.
- Louis Gray
I'm using FriendFeed just as much as before as well (maybe even a little more)
- Jesse Stay
Jesse: I tried that for 18 months. It was OK when I thought FriendFeed has a cool future that was different from where it is today. Sorry, it isn't good enough for most people. For us, yes. For mainstream? No way.
- Robert Scoble
Louis i was pointing to Robert's i know you are here and it is great to have you here :)
- ffcode
I must have misunderstood you Robert... "How I know FriendFeed is dead?" is the perfect way to start a conversation on FriendFeed about FriendFeed...
- Johnny Worthington
Johnny: sorry, FriendFeed +is+ dead to most of the tech community.
- Robert Scoble
hey hey I left twitter for a reason..... its just you guys are still chewing on it, im sorry but i spit that grisil out right away..
- Cjay
Perhaps this thread will shake things up around here. Let's hope so.
- BLOGBloke
Robert, not sure you're understanding - I'm saying now that FriendFeed has stopped development this is an opportunity for other entrepreneurs to take the lead ahead of FriendFeed. Let's push them to do so rather than pushing the community away from FriendFeed. When someone has something better than FriendFeed, then we can all say "jump ship".
- Jesse Stay
Robert, my point is the rest of us outside the bubble don't care. The world exists outside the Valley
- Johnny Worthington
BLOGBloke: Facebook has 300 million users and you think a thread with 20 people in it will shake things up? Sorry, that's not how things work. Now, if there was a thousand message thread, that might get some people to wake up.
- Robert Scoble
Johnny: when I talk with people outside the bubble they are barely discovering Facebook right now. Twitter is something they've heard about. FriendFeed? GIve me a freaking break.
- Robert Scoble
We're working on that thousand as we speak.
- BLOGBloke
BLOGBloke: so far I see 20 people participating here. When we hit 1,000 I'll come over to your side of the yard.
- Robert Scoble
Not everyone ON FriendFeed is inside the bubble... or frankly CARE about social media. You love talking about the car and it's parts, I love talking about where the car takes me.
- Johnny Worthington
Friendfeed to me is quality, an addtion to a mature social network like facebook.
- Cjay
Johnny: sorry. Everyone on FriendFeed is inside the bubble. If you claim otherwise you lose all credibility.
- Robert Scoble
Remember, it is after 2am here on the west and 5 am back east. Unlike yourself some geeks still like to sleep.
- BLOGBloke
i am with Robert his sample sizes are way larger than anyone else here and he studies them as in "study" yeah my friends laugh when i sent them my account link on friendfeed
- ffcode
Johnny: FriendFeed, at its height, only had a few hundred thousand users. THAT IS A BUBBLE. Actually, it's a pimple on the ass of Twitter which is a bruise on the ass of Facebook.
- Robert Scoble
Come on if its that bad then go back to myspace and twitter and see what you get...
- Cjay
Cjay: my friend Luke and I had a drink at the Ritz tonight and I guarantee that was better than what you get here, but that isn't any way to build a movement.
- Robert Scoble
Still don't care about that either... That's my point... I'm here for the people and the interaction.
- Johnny Worthington
Robert, with all due respect, just because you don't get quality out of FF doesn't mean nobody else does.
- Beau Liening
Johnny: cool. That keeps me coming back too, but it isn't any way to build a business or a movement. Most people don't care and if they do most people just want to talk with their friends on Facebook. Really, does FriendFeed give most people a hugely better experience than Facebook? No.
- Robert Scoble
The whole FF/FB comparison seems irrelevant to me - FB is a walled garden, and if they move far from it they will disenfranchise the current user base who wants a closed community of their friends. FF has always been about public aggregation, not followers. If we wanted walled communities, we should have all stayed on AOL. (I keep waiting for FB to buy an old media news company - we'll definitely know they are the AOL of the future then.)
- David Lounsbury
Beau: you aren't listening. I'm here cause I like the people here. but that's not what we're arguing about.
- Robert Scoble
David: you are wrong. Facebook is no longer a walled garden. You must have missed Facebook Connect. Check into it. Look at Huffington POst. They use it.
- Robert Scoble
DO ANYBODY NO WHY FRIENDFEED IS DEAD?
- Louis Gray
Robert. That is where you and I disagree. I get a better flavor of interaction here then Facebook. I have friends and have made friends here from all over the world I wouldn't have just through my circle of IRL friends on Facebook.
- Johnny Worthington
David: most people DO WANT walled communities. Most people, when they post their baby photos are NOT like me and Louis. They mostly want to keep those private to just their real life friends.
- Robert Scoble
Friendfeed is not dead.......whats dead is twitter.....
- Cjay
Johnny: you and I and the rest of the people here are weird.
- Robert Scoble
Cjay: I really wish that were true. I hate Twitter (the company). I put a good effort into bringing Twitter here. I failed. It's done. Let's move on and admit that.
- Robert Scoble
Friendfeed is dying, not dead. And to use Louis' posts at this point in time is ridiculous, 1. It's mostly BWE stuff which I don't give a damn about, no offense Louis. 2. It's the weekend. 3. It's 5:30 on the East Coast.
- Jimminy Fuller
And that is why I like FriendFeed :-)
- Jesse Stay
Jimminy: FriendFeed is not really dead. Remember, when a blogger says something is dead that just means it isn't interesting anymore.
- Robert Scoble
Isn't this an argument that the best technologies don't always win? People gravitate to Twitter because any lamebrain can use it. Same thing for FB.
- BLOGBloke
I wonder if people had this discussion about Geocities, Hotmail and Altavista... We like to think that the current time is the peak of innovation...
- Johnny Worthington
facebook can be classified most folks there are just for that boy-girl thing or just to interact with the friends they know in real, friendfeed misses its good old days and i blame Robert for that, for my feed doesn't look that good now even with so many subscriptions
- ffcode
Robert, I forgot that, following my 3rd point about it being 5:30.
- Jimminy Fuller
if Mark is adding FF inside the FB feed then he needs to extend this silly 5000 friends limit as I can't use FB properly until he does
- Thomas Power
BLOGBloke: oh, did you just call FriendFeed the Betamax of social software?
- Robert Scoble
Jesse: Geocities is closing down, you will soon need to find a new home page.
- Robert Scoble
Anybody who would rather talk to the 'puter instead of people in the real world are weird. Goes for me too.
- BLOGBloke
I wonder if in 10 years we will talk of Twitter and Facebook in the same sense...
- Johnny Worthington
Johnny: I think we will know a lot more about how the future will be by the end of 2010. You won't need to wait 10 years.
- Robert Scoble
Betamax! How old do you think I am anyway (*_*)
- BLOGBloke
RE FB Connect, maybe, but they're positioning it as a way to pull people in to the garden. From the site: "Enable over 300 million Facebook users to share your content with their friends on Facebook. " There is a pattern in that sentence...
- David Lounsbury
Jesse: what's weird is I'm not even sure what my home page is anymore. I mostly use Tweetie on my iPhone.
- Robert Scoble
I am going to ask my Uncle to revive Freeservers (actually, freeservers.com is still around). That will be the new FriendFeed.
- Jesse Stay
Robert, by the way thanks for follow on FF,,,, see like i said Friendfeed is Quality, its not about quantity...
- Cjay
David: of course. Facebook Pages are open to the public and Google. That's where you'll see some "FriendFeed-like" innovation.
- Robert Scoble
Cjay: the real question is whether I will add you to one of my Twitter lists!?!
- Robert Scoble
FriendFeed is dead (isn't interesting anymore) for Ex-FriendFeed employers, no new features, no upadates, no documentation.. and this is sad, because (hope) we'll see FF on FB in months.. and FriendFeed is still the most interesting way to discuss on Internet (sorry Wave, sad but true for now).
- CantorJF
What's worse here is that the positive Robert Scoble is dead. Assuming that Robert posts on this, his last posts will be on FriendFeed slowing down (Negative), on Startups paying to pitch (Negative), Digital iPhone cheapskates (Negative), Google Wave x 2 (Negative and Negative), Why Office 2010 will be locked out (Negative). That would be zero positive posts in October. I want the happy Robert back.
- Louis Gray
Personally Twitter is a horrible service and Ap. Mainly because it has turned into MySpace. Everyone is there. YUCK. I've been going back to some of my old Forums and IRC Servers/Channels. Plus here on FF. I've been able to keep all of it up. Different groups for different interests. Look just because my Geek friends are not on here, but are on the IRC server they own and manage doesn't...
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- Uncle CW™
As am I. In the meantime, I am excited about Pubsubhubbub and innovation in other places. I am stoked about the Salmon Protocol. I hope people saw that.
- Louis Gray
Louis: I've been more positive, though, about the iPhone and the app and business models there (developers there are rocking and rolling).
- Robert Scoble
I think we need to a (real) life. Maybe that's the answer.
- BLOGBloke
oh the new feature yeah yeah I saw that twitter lists god now my world has changed forever heheheh...
- Cjay
BLOGBloke: like I said, I was at the Ritz with a friend tonight. That was real life and was pretty damn good!
- Robert Scoble
homepages have lost their relevance, things are all spread now, people get to know you better from your social profiles
- ffcode
Louis, I don't want happy Robert back, I want to know what Robert wants and thinks coming in the future.
- Jimminy Fuller
Jimminy: I think we're in a period of consolidation and that pisses me off! :-)
- Robert Scoble
Agreed, Jimminy. Just talking openly, as he is. I have a great respect for Robert, and on most days, I assume the feeling is mutual. I brought Robert here. Can he bring us somewhere else, or should I keep looking and let you guys know? :)
- Louis Gray
There's your answer and I've been coming to the same conclusion myself.
- BLOGBloke
Louis: I will follow you anywhere. But I will ask Jesse for confirmation to see if you are really onto something. ;-)
- Robert Scoble
I'm all for going to a new/better service than FF....but so far, I haven't seen any.
- Beau Liening
I like this - together, the 3 of us will rule the world ;-)
- Jesse Stay
yes, the thruth is that if FF is dead I would miss it
- Luigi Centenaro
Beau: truth be told, me neither. But FriendFeed's limitations do piss me off. It got so close to something really brilliant.
- Robert Scoble
Jesse: I thought we already ruled the world.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, shhh - they're not supposed to know that!
- Jesse Stay
Have you guys read Seth Godin's "The dip" Friendfeed is facing the dip right now. The dip is where success happens.If you manage to get through the dip, you can become one of the best in the world.
- Tapio Kulmala
What's really amazing is Rob is having a conversation with all of simultaneously and still managing to keep ahead of the curve. How fast do you type? 5,000 words a minute"
- BLOGBloke
Tapio: I would agree but FriendFeed's team has already been disbanded. So the dip is going to be permanent. At least that's my thesis and I'm waiting for someone to prove me wrong.
- Robert Scoble
I've been in the "Dip" for 10 years. There's still hope.
- BLOGBloke
BLOGBloke: I typed 35 words per minute with two fingers. Then I took a typing class. I'm a bit faster now. (Best class I took in college, by the way).
- Robert Scoble
I do agree that since the buyout, development has ceased. Hopefully that won't last too much longer and they'll make FF even better. I really hope FF doesn't get fully integrated into FB.
- Beau Liening
Funny all this is just RSS, and it would seem that if you want more, then you should focus on what RSS can really do for you, and not what you let a service like FF and TW do with RSS for you.
- Cjay
Beau: FriendFeed can NOT be integrated into Facebook. FriendFeed was designed for a million users. Facebook has 300 million. It would need to be rewritten for Facebook's infrastructure. That is NOT going to happen!
- Robert Scoble
My major was typing. I still have the diploma to prove it. Momma is so proud.
- BLOGBloke
What WILL happen is that some of the better stuff you see here WILL be rewritten for Facebook. Like Real Time Search. Or real time comments. Or better aggregation. Or better messaging.
- Robert Scoble
Still leaves FF in the dust though. =(
- Beau Liening
Paul Buchheit wrote Gmail. If I were Zuckerberg I'd have him working on messaging. Google Wave is a freaking disaster. Put a nail in that!
- Robert Scoble
I'm sure most of you know what RSS is right...and you do realize that this is the backbone of these services.
- Cjay
Beau: like I said, FriendFeed is done for the most part. If we see any more features I'll be very shocked. I'm just happy that the servers are staying up for the most part.
- Robert Scoble
Cjay: one of my best friends is Dave Winer. My son's initials are RSS (seriously, they are). I know a little bit about the subject.
- Robert Scoble
Not that I've gotten a wave invite...but from everything I've read about it, its way pre Alpha....I'll wait for the beta...
- Beau Liening
Jesse: the criticisms will probably end up bringing more curious users to friendfeed :)
- Mike Chelen
from fftogo
Beau: I don't think the beta is going to be able to save it. The only reason we're all paying attention to Wave is because it's from Google. Heck, that's really the reason I paid attention to FriendFeed instead of SocialThing or Jaiku.
- Robert Scoble
It would seem to me that an open social network based on RSS wouild be the way to go.
- Cjay
would love to have more features on ff and i am amazed by this phenomenon called Robert Scoble and Louis keeping such a low profile, way to go guys
- ffcode
Mike: in my experience that isn't happening. The growth of new accounts here is slowing way down.
- Robert Scoble
Leo laporte was talking about this at one time
- Cjay
Cjay: RSS is making a comeback, but I don't think it's fast enough. We're not using RSS here to talk with each other. That's XMPP (which is one of the protocols Google Wave is built on).
- Robert Scoble
So if the 3 of us (Robert, Louis, and me) rule the world, and Louis and I both say stay on friendfeed who wins? ;-)
- Jesse Stay
get it? "Stay" on FriendFeed (just noticed that)
- Jesse Stay
Robert, I thought we were using SUP, though it probably is on XMPP's backbone.
- Jimminy Fuller
It's 2:45am on a Saturday, and Robert is getting a stream of comments. I wish I had something to hire him to promote.
- Cristo
Jesse: again, I'm not leaving FriendFeed. So I'm a "Stay" vote too. But the three of us isn't enough, unfortunately.
- Robert Scoble
hmmm I thought this was just an updated xml file that everyone can tune into kinda like your blog feed
- Cjay
Robert, but are you encouraging others to stay on friendfeed? :-)
- Jesse Stay
Jimminy: I thought SUP was only used for aggregating stuff from services.
- Robert Scoble
Jesse: truth be told, not anymore. I spent 18 months doing that. To do that now would be a losing proposition for me.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, you're right, I think it's time for bed.
- Jimminy Fuller
Jimminy: yeah, I gotta finish this blog and then work more on my Twitter lists.
- Robert Scoble
I have the answer. We'll all pool our resources and buy FF. I've got 25 cents in my pocket and I can always raid the kid's piggy-bank. How about you?
- BLOGBloke
Robert, therefore you are outvoted by Louis and I ;-)
- Jesse Stay
BLOGBloke: I left Vegas with $100 in my pocket because I was too busy to gamble it away. So there y ou go! :-)
- Robert Scoble
And we also have a Realtime Distributed Environment in Socnodes, but Tornado is definitely where it's at.
- Jimminy Fuller
well jaiku is all open source now might go real good with google wave....8p
- Cjay
Identica is opensourced also, lets build a better Twitter and Friendfeed.
- Jimminy Fuller
I'm leaving Vegas with Louis Gray's money in my pocket - I can contribute that :-)
- Jesse Stay
truly - why the hell can't FF be integrated into the FB feed when they open FB up?
- Thomas Power
See Robert you just cant get this love anywhere else but on friendfeed....
- Cjay
Thomas: again: FriendFeed's infrastructure can NOT deal with 300 million users. - Robert Scoble - are you absolutely sure, because why buy it if they can't? Thomas, it's up to you and me to make Ecademy the next FriendFeed. - Louis Gray
- Thomas Power
Thomas: my friends at Facebook tell me they bought FriendFeed for the talent, not the product.
- Robert Scoble
Louis what would you like us to do, we can only build it slowly not overnight?
- Thomas Power
This is one of those epic quickfire Scoble threads that I haven't seen in a long time. There's life in the old gal yet.
- Roberto Bonini
I think Guy Kawasaki is the next FriendFeed. He has involvement in Posterous, Tweetmeme (link tracking), SocialToo (utility), and Objective Marketer (analytics)
- Jesse Stay
I understand the need for talent Robert but why throw away the best product in the world when FB relatively speaking cannot hold a candle to FF?
- Thomas Power
Thomas: sorry, that is simply not true. FF can't hold a candle to Facebook. Why? Because Facebook runs with 300 million people on top of it. FriendFeed can NOT do that.
- Robert Scoble
Nope it's not Guy he's already too famous - only real geeks can build the best mousetraps - Guy's a marketing man
- Thomas Power
FriendFeed was built on a handful of servers. Facebook is running on 30,000 servers. TOTALLY DIFFERENT SCALE.
- Robert Scoble
And TOTALLY DIFFERENT INFRASTRUCTURE. Not even close to the same thing.
- Robert Scoble
Facebook and Twitter were both built on a handful of servers. Let's not kid ourselves. None of these services started out big.
- Cristo
@Thomas .. the best doesn't always win. Just ask Microsoft.
- BLOGBloke
Cristo: it doesn't matter where they started. It matters where they are now.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, of course it matters where they started. How else would you be motivated as a startup company starting now? Should Microsoft or Apple not tried because IBM was big?
- Cristo
Cristo: most of the startups I know are building on cloud servers like Rackspace Cloud or Amazon S3. Not on their own infrastructure. Facebook might be one of the last companies to build their own infrastructure.
- Robert Scoble
Facebook is the next Microsoft. You heard it here first.
- BLOGBloke
Cristo: Steve Wozniak told me they didn't start Apple to compete with IBM. And building a PC isn't like building a web service. Not a good analogy.
- Robert Scoble
Does that matter? It's whether you should try, not how you implement it.
- Cristo
I understand FB is winning the market cap game and will likely IPO next year and acquire Linkedin too but they are NOT winning the best mousetrap game, that's FF.
- Thomas Power
BLOGBloke: Facebook is the next Google. Google is the next Microsoft. Microsoft is the next IBM. IBM is the next DEC. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Thanks Robert for that info. I worked at both Apple AND Microsoft. But I'm sure you have better info.
- Cristo
Thomas: you sound like one of those guys I sold a Betamax VCR to.
- Robert Scoble
Cristo: sounds like you can't hold a job! Just kidding. I'm the same way.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: it seems a competition for attention exists between the more popular and the more esoteric platforms
- Mike Chelen
from fftogo
Infrastucture is mostly hardware. Facebook's architecture is not perfect. They only allow us to have 5000 friends. It tells something about the scalability of the architecture. We don't know how well Friendfeed's really scales..
- Tapio Kulmala
Robert: I agree.. nobody I know either knows about or uses FF, and I barely scratch the surface. I was one of the most active users I know on Facebook until my account was "disabled" this week. I won't be investing any more time into that unless they re-enable my account. I love FF but doubt that my audience will adopt it any time soon... wish I had been at bwe09!
- ASKJDOG
Mike: that's always true. Every once in a while the more esoteric becomes the more popular. I was hoping that was the case with FriendFeed but it wasn't to be.
- Robert Scoble
I'm not arguing about scalability Robert I understand 300m is 300 times 1 million but FF remains the best mousetrap so Mark Z MUST integrate the best bits of FF into FB that's all. I loved my Betamax and thank you for being so cheeky to an Englishman in this place.
- Thomas Power
ASKJDOG: heh, I've been through that. My Facebook account was disabled two years ago.
- Robert Scoble
are you saying they are going to hold the 5000 limit because of scalability?
- Thomas Power
Robert: I read about that fiasco.. I can't get over the fact that they get away with taking away your access to your own data.. with no real way to dispute or contact them.
- ASKJDOG
Thomas, I don't know the reason. Architecture and/or scalability could be one.
- Tapio Kulmala
Anybody remember what was the most popular service 18 years ago? Yes, you all laugh about it now. It's not that different.
- Cristo
ASKJDOG: lots of Web 2.0 companies do that, unfortunately. It's one reason why I spread my attention out across a number of different services. At least that way you can find me somewhere.
- Robert Scoble
Facebook threw me out too. Gotta love it.
- BLOGBloke
So what replaces FF? ..or not replaces but would be more widely used by less techy people? More Twitter? Echo via one's blogs? something else?
- ASKJDOG
Someday, I'm going to be interviewed by Robert, and it's going to be super awkward. At least for me. ;)
- Cristo
From Robert's Blog Post. I couldn't agree more... "Will FriendFeed turn out to be like Second Life? I think it could. There will always be some people who want to be on some service other than the popular ones. There ARE people out there who hate Twitter and Facebook and want to hang out on a tool that more fits their personality. FriendFeed DOES have a future there. "
- Jeff P. Henderson
well I'm still on FB and completely stuck at 5000. FB is punishing me for building their network with my friends. Why do they do that?
- Thomas Power
ASKJDOG: we're all waiting for Louis Gray to answer that question. But why does anything need to replace it? If it stays the same as it is now we'll be just happy staying here. The problem is that no one else will join us. As long as we're OK with that FriendFeed is just fine!
- Robert Scoble
Ok Robert so I took a look at your "The Second Life of FriendFeed?" post... Do you think friendfeed will be another feature of facebook or will friendfeed stand on its own? You do know that facebook added some kind of tab feature to add friendfeed right into the facebook profile.
- Cjay
Chris, AOL was around back then, I can't remember I was a tot.
- Jimminy Fuller
ASKJDOG: I drank a glass of whisky tonight. No one sits around asking "what will replace that glass?"
- Robert Scoble
Jimmi, I can remember, but I keep drinking to try to forget. ;)
- Cristo
Cjay: I think they will be separate forever but that some features might come across. Real time search is definitely one I expect to see (Facebook was already working on that itself).
- Robert Scoble
Robert: lol.. good point.. I'm looking for ways to engage my web audience but it's a very different audience to yours. I like the whisky they don't necessarily :)
- ASKJDOG
LOL @ "a pimple on the ass of Twitter which is a bruise on the ass of Facebook" - nice one Robert Scoble! And very much agree with Jesse Stay: writing is on the wall and it may spell "Huge Opportunity" for the next upstart SN hub that gets the UX just right.
- Dan Freeman
We need to create a million bogus accounts on FB. Raise a little hell, watch it implode and buy FF for pennies on the dollar. Anyone up for a barbecue?
- BLOGBloke
being able to write efficient server software is definitely one of the talents brought by the ff team, so these services should scale as well as anyone's
- Mike Chelen
from fftogo
Robert's problem is that I think he doesn't know who to listen to online. It's just a random walk through whoever's-online.
- Cristo
Cristo: oh, wait until you see my lists over on Twitter!
- Robert Scoble
Robert, I haven't been given a good reason to actively use Twitter yet.
- Cristo
Oh, and Cristo, I interview a lot of people I have taken on online. Actually those are some of the most fun interviews because we both usually are surprised!
- Robert Scoble
Robert's lists on Twitter 1) Geeks, 2) Not Geeks
- Jeff P. Henderson
Cristo: I've given you more than 6,000 reasons to use Twitter here: http://twitter.com/scoblei... -- you're telling me that none of those people or Tweets sound interesting? I guess that's cool.
- Robert Scoble
Jeff: that would be a funny list, actually!
- Robert Scoble
"Cristo, I interview a lot of people I have taken on online." -- This sounds inappropriate, but perhaps it is late and I have a corrupted mind.
- Cristo
BLOGBloke: it's something, that's for sure! If we did this over on Twitter all of our real followers would have unfollowed us an hour ago.
- Robert Scoble
Well it certainly isn't an argument at this point.
- Jimminy Fuller
This is just chat... a better system for chat is IRC, It's so much faster. I never did really understand why people keep trying to reinvent the wheel.. All of these systems like friendfeed and twitter and whatever else seem really slow to me, but I put up with it because I guess people need it.
- Cjay
Right, which is an interesting (and somewhat sad) reality about human nature. A service that you can just send your random thoughts into the ether is more popular than one that enables conversation, because people just want to feel important without getting feedback.
- Cristo
Cjay: sorry, IRC sucks. I've gone into why before. But it does and I'm tired so I'll leave the details for another day.
- Robert Scoble
Cjay: keep in mind I helped moderate Leo Laporte's chat room in the mid 1990s so I know IRC pretty damn intimately.
- Robert Scoble
Cristo: it's not just about feeling important. It's about simplicity. It's about being able to control who comes into your view (you really can't very well here).
- Robert Scoble
Also, most people just don't like participating. For them their 30 minutes on the web every day is more about getting informed and being entertained. Twitter is great for that.
- Robert Scoble
Hardly anyone comes into your view on Twitter. On Facebook, lots of people you know and don't want coming into your view do, unforunately.
- Cristo
Cristo: weird. On Twitter I have 5,000 coming into my view. On Facebook I have 1,500.
- Robert Scoble
I think IRC is to fast for most people to feel warm about it..
- Cjay
Robert, you are getting a lot of SPAM disguised as actual thought on Twitter. On Facebook, you're getting old friends and relatives that are inarticulately trying to communicate with you and sometimes in embarrassingly ways.
- Cristo
Cristo: not true. Every single person I've added into Twitter is someone I want on my home page. Not a single piece of spam has made it there.
- Robert Scoble
I actually like Facebook for connecting with people.. shame I won't be using it any more. Tho I'm using Twitter more and more It's difficult to see a structured conversation.
- ASKJDOG
I will have to say Facebook has crazy ways of knowing who you might know.
- Cjay
ASKJDOG: Twitter isn't for structured conversations. But you can include a link to one over here. That's what I do.
- Robert Scoble
I'm using SPAM loosely. Any Tweets that are actively promoting something they have no idea I'm interested in is SPAM to me.
- Cristo
Robert: Yes! I noticed you do that.. and very effectively.. I will try it.
- ASKJDOG
I feel spread too thin across too many places - but FF is still quite lively among who I subscribe to
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
I'm off the bed now. Thanks for being a good sport Rob and I hope you're feeling better about FF now. It really is the best SN out there and it wouldn't be same without you. Goodnight to all my friendly FriendFeeders.
- BLOGBloke
"Imma gonna let you continue with this thread, but first I wanna say that Rackspace is the best cloud service in the business, ever!"
- Cristo
BLOGBloke: thanks. nothing I read here tonight changed my opinion unfortunately. But I'm still here.
- Robert Scoble
"Twitter isn't for structured conversations." Robert,,, if thats the case then should i go back to letting people know things like "I'm washing my dog and I just ran out of soup, I need to run to walmart, be back in 10..." ??
- Cjay
Our Windows 7 party is over! Actually, it was my wife's but I helped out even though I don't like WIndows. Oops. Maybe I should have tweeted that.
- Cristo
Jimmi, really good actually. We really made a lot of progress cleaning up the loft. It was like two weeks worth of work in a couple days. And the food & wine went over really well.
- Cristo
Sorry Cristo, I think you meant to post that on Twitter ;-)
- Jeff P. Henderson
Jeff, you mean I didn't? I'm so confused.
- Cristo
Chris, you didn't spend enough time staring at the ice cubes you may have liked Windows if you would have stared at them longer. The message was Windows 7 is amazing.
- Jimminy Fuller
Cristo, I'm sorry, conversation about Twitter comments is not allowed here...
- Jeff P. Henderson
If I say @Jimminy will that send it to twitter?
- Cristo
Robert, either way it still feels like 2 hours of my life I will never get back, FFFTW!
- Cjay
And of course it takes a Scoble post proclaiming FriendFeed dead to provoke a big chat like this. Of course, with my mere 250 or so subscribers, it would never work for me...
- Dennis Jernberg
Robert: earlier adoption of a service ensures a longer delay before observing widespread appeal. this may be a stronger indication your prescience rather than sluggishness by friendfeed
- Mike Chelen
from fftogo
Clearly Robert went to bed, because I'm not blocked yet. ;)
- Cristo
I think Robert just took time out to write another blog post entitled "The third coming of Friendfeed"...
- Jeff P. Henderson
Okay, I'm done with this thread. If you guys want to make sarcastic and sophomoric comments. FIne! ..........Let's just do it on another thread. :)
- Cristo
Cjay: one nice thing about ff compared with irc is that it is web-browser accessible, without addons like chatzilla or 3rd party sites like mibbit. they have many similarities otherwise, which is one of my reasons for liking ff so much :)
- Mike Chelen
from fftogo
Robert, the amount of comments is not necessarily a good indicator of the service health; from my point of view their quality is much more significant. A matter of signal VS noise, you know.
- Gilgamesh
Well I think IRC is still fast, clean and sleek, you want to follow, you join a channel, you want to be followed you create a channel. Friendfeeds comments are more like a fast forum arena and twitter is more like porno for pundits.
- Cjay
I think the killer mac app/shiny new piece of tech/deep-geek-inside-joke friendfeed is dead. But; its days (as a sort of hot-house for geeks) were numbered from the start. What remains to be seen, is what becomes of it between now and the time Facebook pulls the plug.
- J. Abdul-Qahhar
Over 360 comments in 3 hours on a platform which is "dead" isn't that bad at all.
- Mike Hellers
But I have to wonder if this isn't the natural progression of every social network. Myspace is a ghost town, nobody talks about Friendster... but going back further, how long did anyone stay with their favorite BBS? Why are news groups now only the domain of the totally hardcore? I think Friendfeed, while never a household name, has had it's day. I don't think it has to do with Facebook or Friendfeed's leadership, it just is the way it is. And one day soon, we are all going to be burying Facebook too.
- Ciaoenrico
RT @mikehellers Over 360 comments in 3 hours on a platform which is "dead" isn't that bad at all
- Thierry R. Andriamirado
Mike - Well, 360 comments on an incendiary post from the guy who's nearly synonymous with Friendfeed. Otherwise tumbleweeds really have been blowing through this place for some time.
- Ciaoenrico
It means that users are frustrated because of this FriendFeed's acquisition by Facebook consequences, and want to tell it (once again. Again 'till..?)
- Thierry R. Andriamirado
The problem with FriendFeed was that the community broke down. It became far too much about who could gain the most attention, and not about interesting discussion. I think the Facebook takeover was just the excuse people needed to jump ship. Interestingly enough, since the DMU group moved over from Flickr, I am using FF more than ever. There is a proper community in the group, which gives me a reason to come back many times each day.
- Chris Nixon
from BuddyFeed
wow! I just feel like sombodies bitch here! 8D 8p~"~'""
- Cjay
Robert: Be careful, you might find yourself back in the SUL ;)
- Nir Ben Yona
Nir: I never was in Twitter's SUL but I sure am on a lot of people's lists!
- Robert Scoble
By the way, I can't wait for you to see Twitter's new lists. Then you'll see that the SUL really is deader than a doornail.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: OMG, can't believe you're still awake. You know my opinion, Twitter veterans should be there. Anyway, how on earth can you build the lists if you have to pick those users one at the time? I find it way too annoying.
- Nir Ben Yona
Nir: it doesn't matter anymore. Twitter is about to start a new game with "lists" and now it's about reputation and influence and credibility and all that.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: Do you think most people will make their lists public? In that case it might be a "game changer", like you've said.
- Nir Ben Yona
guess what - 99% of twitter users wont make a list :) and im not sure i agree completely with robert - those on the default list will naturally be added to more lists making it the same game - which is against what winer thought it would be.
- Allen Stern
still here, still occasionally comment on LG threads.
- Mike Nencetti
Twitter is down again. Not even a Fail Whale which is on my favorite list. Just down.
- Eric Logan
Eric: it's up here, mostly. The damn API has been barfing all evening.
- Robert Scoble
Allen: I totally disagree with you on the lists thing. I've already added 1,000 new people because of the new lists feature.
- Robert Scoble
Unfotunately, I'm finding myself agreeing with Robert Scoble (which is new to me). I've been getting far fewer comments and likes than before. That in turn gives me less to act on, so my activity has dropped precipitously, too. But even with my much lower activity, FFholic says I'm ~400th most active. 6 months ago, I wouldn't have ranked in the top 5000 with such low activity.
- Jason Huebel
I knew as soon as FacePOOP bought them the Party was over!! Garbage is as Garbage does!! ;))
- Billy Warhol
Twitter's new list feature is fantastic. And yes, I have made my lists public. This is my take on the whole thing: http://friendfeed.com/app103... It's going to take me quite awhile to get everyone sorted though. If they had come out with this feature months ago when I had only around 200 people to sort it would have been so much easier. But lists on Twitter or...
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- April Russo (app103)
The social media learning curve: many people quickly learn that articles posted on high-quality primary news sites and blogs are more valuable and useful than the comments posted in response to those articles on social media sites. They try to allocate their time wisely, to focus on the more important over the less important. That's why I spend much more time in Feedly than in...
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- Sean McBride
After participating in this conversation, for me there is one obvious truth that has surfaced from it all. Community is not the technology .. it's the people who drive it, and this thread proves there is still a thriving community here at FF.
- BLOGBloke
MG Siegler on techcrunch: "Previously, FriendFeed had committed to keeping the site running indefinitely despite their new jobs at Facebook. And it has remained running, but the site’s innovation, always its key attribute, has been completely halted. And perhaps as a vote of no confidence, previously rabid users are now largely staying away." http://www.techcrunch.com/2009...
- Gilgamesh
Previously rabid Friendfeed users who are now staying away: to where are they migrating? Have they discovered platforms of equal or superior quality for sharing and discussing news? I haven't.
- Sean McBride
So sad, I just discovered FriendFeed around the buy out. We have to talk it up to our friends so it doesn't die!
- Nathan Snyder
The future of Friendfeed: a team of visionary developers needs to pick up from where the original Friendfeed creators left off, and aggressively push forward the platform's feature set. The basic platform is solid, but still primitive.
- Sean McBride
I fail to see why continued innovation is so critical when we have a platform that is already head and shoulders above anything else out there. Seems to me the only people who truly care are the early adopters and uber tech geeks, both of which are prone to jumping ship when the next new shiny service comes along regardless of how good the present service is. For the rest of us, we have...
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- Jeff P. Henderson
hmm, FF looks alive from here. the apparent halt in development is certainly attempted murder, tho.
- Joe Silence
If the current incarnation of Friendfeed had assembled the optimal feature set, it wouldn't be flatlining (or downtrending) on Compete.com. There is much room for improvement. (I've made numerous suggestions in the past -- consult the archives.)
- Sean McBride
Sean, it's pretty dang close. I do agree that over time, other services will either add all of the features that FF has or innovate and develop cool features that FF does not have. So the stopping of development will definitely kill FF in the long run. But in the near term, I have little problem with the present feature set here compared with my options elsewhere.
- Jeff P. Henderson
Jeff -- at the moment, I don't see any other platform out there that is as capable as Friendfeed for sharing and discussing news -- despite my lengthy wish list for new features. That is why I am curious about where many former Friendfeeders are migrating to. Are some of them perhaps withdrawing from social media altogether? I haven't seen any alternative platforms recommended here.
- Sean McBride
I think many techies are getting their feet wet with Wave right now. Time spent looking elsewhere - whether we find something usable or not - still translates to less time on FriendFeed ...
- Dan Freeman
I still go here more than Twitter and it's all because of the comments, pictures, no 140char limit, etc... I vote Not Dead.
- Jan Ole Peek
Plus I still don't see how anyone can have a valid conversation on Twitter with more than 1 or 2 people. Certainly not via the web interface.
- Jan Ole Peek
I don't think FF is dead. I also hope it won't die because it kicks ass :)
- alfred westerveld
I'm sorry, but I must laugh at the First comment by Jan Ole Peek, comments about the 140 Character Limit while abbreviating. (Subconcious?) Anyway, I hope it doesn't die also.
- Nathan Snyder
Heh, XC Fan, I'm a lazy typer, that's all. But I don't like to be confined to a certain number of characters. Aside from that, I like that pictures are displayed inline with FriendFeed whereas with Twitter you always have to visit some stupid site to see the image.
- Jan Ole Peek
Yeah, plus you can attach any file right to a post for others to see.
- Nathan Snyder
While a little crazy to read, where else could you have a discussion like this? I missed the main portion but it highlights the importance of real-time to capture discussions AND a solution to store/manage it. With FF I can join in later; twitter gone, FB out the bottom. Robert you thrive in the full blast from the fire hose, most mainstream users consider that pure torture. Your neighbors could grasp friendfeed, they'll never get twitter (in it's current form). I still love friendfeed http://ff.im/a57K2.
- Chris Myles
The irony of 392 comments (so far) on a thread about the service dying is causing my head to implode.
- Stephen Mack
you didn't expect such a popular and beloved service to die silently, did you?
- Onur Cengiz
You could create a FF Group and include the same Twitter accounts and then everyone could benefit.I'm just saying, don't get so excited, this isn't something real new around here.
- Keith Rowland
BTW, As JasonC just posted, the message on Twitter asks for people NOT to tweet about it yet :-) That clearly didn't work.
- Mike Hellers
One of the good things about living in London is that there is always something going on. I took these pictures of George Clooney today at Leicester Square.
- Mike Hellers
Dick DeBartolo and Alex Lindsay talk shortly about the Gigapan. You can also find the video version here: http://odtv.me/2009... Episode 937 starts around 50 minutes into the recording.
- Mike Hellers
Great show and happy to see it up on YouTube so quickly for all of us who missed the live stream.
- Mike Hellers
Yes. Then Leo and Arringotn had a fall out live on air. Thats where Leo's famous "Screw You" line comes from. They made up, but that was the end of GG on TWIT.
- Roberto Bonini
Yes I remember it well. You mean Mr.Laporte really did kick you guys off?
- Kevin J Hatton
I still can't get used to seeing 'Bret Taylor - Facebook' lol great show. Where do I subscribe.?
- Kevin J Hatton
Kevin, you could favorite the channel or get word in any number of other ways. I got the channel gadget so it shows up on my iGoogle start page. http://friendfeed-media.com/eaa3f44...
- Amyloo
Don't we all love our UK tabloids...I guess some of their writers don't like staying up late and post the articles before the actual event. Look at the article. It even says that the burial "happened" at 2:30 am UK time (6:30 pm PST) while the article was up at least half an hour before that, might even have been longer.
I understand Flickr is canceling accounts of users who post the famous 'Joker' picture of President Obama. On the other hand, for years Flickr has allowed all sorts of hateful images of President Bush, as a quick search will show. Just a few examples:
- Thomas Hawk
from Bookmarklet
Since I've been banned from Flickr's Help Forum, this one is not me complaining... but watch for flickr to censor this thread which is critical of their censorship practices by locking it down in 5, 4, 3, 2, 1.....
- Thomas Hawk
that seems illogical that it wouldn't be allowed. TOS shouldn't be political.
- joebrooks
Are we sure this is political? Isn't it possibly based on a copyright infringement on the original Time picture? Not that I want to protect Flickr, but anyway. A clear response from Flickr is obviously needed! Quickly!
- Mike Hellers
Fair use, unfortunately, is a defense, not a right. Do we even know who issued the take-down?
- LogEx
So - someone else needs to take their Polaroid camera down to some street pole and take a non-exclusive photo.
- joebrooks
Mike, if they are so sure that it's a copyright violation why are they still letting me host the image on my photostream? http://www.flickr.com/photos... I've only heard from one lawyer on the matter who said that the image had a strong fair use defense. I've heard from 2 law students as well who concurred that it is fair use. Anyone else here either an attorney or have access to another attorney that they could run this one by?
- Thomas Hawk
But Thomas, Fair Use is a legal defense. How does that factor into Flickr's process, especially if the poster of the image is not the creator (or, do we know for a fact that this is now a public domain or Creative Commons or similar image)?
- LogEx
Don't get me wrong... I think Fair Use should be a right, not just a defense. And I think Flickr should back off and be a safe harbor service (in both the legal and practical senses).
- LogEx
Ok, Heather's now edited the OP's complaint -- removing links critical of Flickr. Watch for the thread to be locked entirely next.
- Thomas Hawk
Logical Extremes. Unfortunately there is no "process" so to speak when it comes to their censorship division. They simply censor whatever they feel like. Flickr has a notoriously vague TOS/Community Guidelines which pretty much allows them to do whatever it is that they want. For instance. They say that you are not allowed to host images that you did not take on Flickr. Yet 99.9% of the...
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- Thomas Hawk
Just coping my response on that thread " I don't want to get into the pro / anti Obama thing here this is bigger then that. at the risk of starting a storm here... political parody is considered fair use and is not a copyright violation." All that said, this is Flickr's playground, we're just allowed to play here and they have the right to pull anything they want and their TOS is broad...
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- Bastard Operator From FF
Thomas, you're much more familiar with Flickr's process (or lack thereof) than I am, so the issues of arbitrary censorship and account deletion I can't address. But in this specific action, Heather's last comment states that they took action on a valid DMCA notice. As much as I hate the DMCA, that is the law, and there is now an option of counterclaim. People interested in re-asserting...
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- LogEx
yes, it is interesting how flickr says it's their policy not to comment on individual cases but then changes their policy when they get barraged by negative press on a subject. It's nice to get them to finally admit that they took down the image based on a DMCA request. It's also interesting to see Heather continue to treat actual adults like children. from Heather: “there appears to be a whole lot of makey uppey going in the news and blogosphere about this event." My next questions would be:
- Thomas Hawk
2. Does Flickr take any steps to ensure that takedown notices are valid or do they just blindly remove them 100% of the time (note that WordPress recently defended the Fake Chuck Westall parody blog after Canon Inc., sent them a takedown request where they felt that there was no valid copyright concern).
- Thomas Hawk
and 3. Did they retain a back up copy of both the image and all of the comments that were posted to the image to ensure that they can restore them if the DMCA notice is refuted? If not, why not?
- Thomas Hawk
I'd post these questions in the help forum myself but I've been banned from it.
- Thomas Hawk
excellent questions that I'm not allowed to ask as I've been indefinitely banned from the help forum :( censorship sucks.
- Thomas Hawk
As I often say, I object to the use of the term "censorship" here as it is private property and not a government act. Having said that, I object to flickR's stupid copyright policies (as Thomas said, they host millions of copyrighted images in individual photo streams that do not belong to the exhibitor) and I think Logical Extremes puts it best: change the law.
- Anthony Citrano
Of course censorship does not require government influence for it be censorship. The official definition of censorship does not require that. That would be Govt. censorship. If a private university decided to go through it's library and remove all books by a certain author and burn them behind the library because they deemed the content bad, that still would be an act of censorship with...
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- Thomas Hawk
And it currently only works on Wifi, whereas the Jailbroken version also works on 3G connections. I guess I will keep the jailbroken one for the moment.
- Mike Hellers
No, their headline is clear that they're simply reporting that someone else has reported it - hence the ": reports" at the end of it.
- Ian Betteridge
If they're sourcing from TMZ, I would say it is #Reutersfail. It's irresponsible to report that someone is dead without a credible source.
- John (a.k.a. dendroica)
Trying to be revolutionary in a dying industry. I'm having a hard time getting remotely excited about this. I'd rather not have to print anything, I was hesitant to buy a new one when my last one broke.
- Colin Anawaty
Colin: I'm just seeing the demo. I'm not that excited yet, but they have some interesting ideas so far, especially around coupons and maps and such. Geeks won't see much value, but for every geek there's 10,000 others.
- Robert Scoble
Who is going to develop the first application to print a fart?
- Matthew DeVries
Yeah I agree with you, I just need to stick my head out of the tech bubble. As a geek it's easy to forget the needs of your general consumer, and printers have sucked pretty bad for a while.
- Colin Anawaty
They can live at Hertz and Avis, where you'd need to print a map on the fly.
- Matthew DeVries
Matthew: I'm not going to ask THAT. :-)
- Robert Scoble
It needs multiple types of paper, coupon sized paper, receipt sized paper. A lot of what I print (recipes, etc.) don't need 8x11 or A10 sheets.
- Matthew DeVries
Mike H: Not everybody has iPhones. Strange, I know ;-) (PS, I do) But colour me intrigued. All apps free as in beer - open source as well? What is the photo print quality like from this puppy? Is the SDK out yet? Imagining an itinerary app that let's you pull in your details from, say, Dopplr and print maps, schedule, appointment details, etc, into a nice fold-and-take package. Flickr...
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- Andy Bold
A quick video showing some of the speed differences between the iPhone 3GS and the "old" 3G. Mainly showing the difference in starting up apps, but also the noticeable difference in 3G download speed (at least on the O2 Uk network.
- Mike Hellers