I'm insulted that NBC would think that Russert, no matter how well loved (and apparently deservedly so), should not have his death reported in the same manner that the rest of us would. It just shows how these news companies will try to control the news when its in their favor. A small example I know but what has never seen the light of day because it affects someone involved with the company? I would also like to know why the updater thought it was common knowledge because of a couple tweets and two hours.
- MikeonTV
Stop it - Igor, social media link whoring you own submissions (esp. in this manner) is an online sin. We know where to stumble, digg, reddit, and mixx this stuff.
- Ben Parr
Ben the Stumble was not my original submission! The Digg was! This story was not written by me! The only one Whoring here is you! If you do not want to help bring the news to the public, please stay out of the way and go about your business.
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
Ben I really recent your personal attack on me, people who know me in Social Media will make their judgment ascertaining to my character and my intentions!
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
stop complaining about the plug. worse then NBC. Everyone's fart counts. NOW PULL MY FINGER and SMELL!
- Noah David Simon
While it may be the 'most happening room' it seems to be the same people all the time, not that that's a bad thing. It would be nice to have some new people in the conversation though.
- Timothy Neilen
definitely the best one I'm subscribed to right now.
- Natitude
very true! It's certainly inspired me to come visit FF more often.
- Heidi Cool
This is one of the main reasons I come to FF.
- Ethan Klapper
Let's all do our best to get new people participating in the room :) I'm glad we're the most happening room on Friendfeed :)
- Muhammad Saleem
When I look at info just in the stream, I don't realize how cool it is right off, lots of great info here!
- Tris Hussey
from twhirl
@tamar I agree, this room is on and popping!! The level and speed of interaction, and the diversity of content is fantastic.
- Steaprok
Pictures! YouTubes. Blog posts. Search last 1-30 days (by service) for popular FriendFeed items you may have misssed. Add "&service=picasa&num=100" or "&service=flickr&num100" to find photos. (FriendFeed has added a "day - week - month" box on "Friends" page "upper-right corner") Bret Taylor's (53 comments, 177 likes) http://friendfeed.com/e... Mike Arrington (22 comments, 92 likes) http://friendfeed.com/e...
- Mitchell Tsai
Cooool! Now how do we search for the hidden gems which DIDN'T become popular?
- Slappy Line
Slippy: We need regular search to work past page 11...
- Mitchell Tsai
See also "Search for best 100 articles from the last day (or 2 days, 3 days...)" http://friendfeed.com/e... using "num=100". I'm finding the 100-item search much more interesting than the regular 30-item search, so I modified all the searches in this post to use "num=100".
- Mitchell Tsai
Timo: You're welcome... Just goofing around with the various options, and checking the algorithms. Not sure the "best" pictures algorithms are working... Also, I'd like the older items weighted more heavily in the 14-30 day searches.
- Mitchell Tsai
Great find on the picture search, Mitchell!
- felix
go Mitchell go...these search queries rock!
- Susan Beebe
If we could only get this for the everyone/public feed
- Brian Sullivan
Lots of useful URL's posted here. I'll need time to digest. Too bad there's no RSS feed for these pages yet. There's always page scrapers like Feed43 though. Thanks Mitchell!
- Mike Reynolds
Mike: An RSS feed is a great idea! Since you can always run another search it's pretty cool. But I'm about to head into the Sierras, and it would be nice to save some of these posts as RSS feeds in my Mac Mail...so I can read them when I'm offline.
- Mitchell Tsai
Bret: Sometimes I'm finding 2-day search often more useful than 1-day search. Can we add 2-day to the regular FriendFeed options (1-day 2-day week month)?
- Mitchell Tsai
See how Hutch Carpenter http://friendfeed.com/e... ALREADY got 10 blog referrals from FriendFeed's new feature. Hutch writes "Going to be interesting to see if this alters the FriendFeed experience a bit."
- Mitchell Tsai
I'm finding the 2-day summary is often more useful than the 1-day (even on 30-item searches). Not sure what the "exact window" of search is...
- Mitchell Tsai
@mitchell - I edited my comment one minute after posting it. These URL's don't yet have RSS. So scraping would be the only option at the moment :(
- Mike Reynolds
I'm loving that I can edit FriendFeed in the Palo Alto Apple Store (without Dreamweaver, HTML, and Fetch). :-)
- Mitchell Tsai
TIP: "Search by Service" after you start using "Friends-best-of" search --> Click the "tiny service icons" on the left column. Thanks to Bwana McCall for this great tip. http://friendfeed.com/e...
- Mitchell Tsai
I agree with Brian Sullivan that it would be great to get this in RSS and for Everyone.
- Mike Reynolds
If you dare, here's a bookmarklet (written by Eric Florenzano) to expand all FriendFeed comments. It would be so nice to get this in Greasmonkey. http://eflorenzano.com/blog...
- Mike Reynolds
First, thank you this is great. :) I'd like to be able to sticky this thread, or send it to a favorites tab. Also agree with Slippy Lane about seeing hidden gems, since the 'best' stuff is usually bumped by comments. Also, thanks, this is great. :)
- sergiooo
I added a full-entry for Twitter. A lot of the top articles are started from Twitters! There's a few popular Seesmic posts (from Scoble).
- Mitchell Tsai
We definitely want feedback. I literally had six versions of the algorithm running in parallel, and this is the best one according to our qualitative assessment, but we need more data to really improve it. Let me know if you see too much of something or missed something you think is important - it will help me debug quality issues.
- Bret Taylor
@scobleizer: It also does a bit of what you want for individual services as well. Here are the best Twitters from the past day: http://friendfeed.com/summary.... Click the service icons to restrict the "best of" view to a single service. It doesn't let you send the link out to anyone since it is entirely personalized, nor is it the generalized search interface you described, but it is a step in that direction.
- Bret Taylor
Also looks like the date can go from 1 thru 30. greater than 30 reverts to 30
- Atul Arora
Bret: that's very cool. It's amazing how few things I actually have missed. But, this will be useful to check in on. One thing I do wish it had was "big things since last time you were here."
- Robert Scoble
Next? I'd love to have a way to see a true reverse-chronological view of the "Everyone" feed, but let me filter by "n" Likes and "n" Comments.
- Robert Scoble
How about, do a time stamp of the last time Robert logged in, and every hour afterward, do a screen capture of every single update from everybody he follows, save it as a massive PDF file, and send it to him via e-mail attachment. Repeat every 60 minutes.
- Louis Gray
perfect! now i only need to convince most of my friends to update their webbrowse behavior. most of them still didnt make the jump too rss and sharing is done mostly by skype :(
- Chris Hofmann
Great addition. I'd also like to see it applicable at the individual user level.
- Mark Krynsky
Been really looking forward to this since seeing it mentioned on "The Dan Farber Show"! In typical FF style, great feature with simple, clear implementation. Yummy!
- Matt Harwood
This is very cool. As soon as they provide an Atom feed of this, it'll be the most kickass service ever.
- Eric Florenzano
hmmm, this is my top post. Nice one
- Andrew Smith
This is a great addition, shows that they are listening to what people want!
- Joe Dawson
Very nice feature, for me, given the addiction, I suspect the "day" one will be the most used to make sure I didn't miss anything good. :)
- felix
Bret: Yeah!! Great feature!! I've been waiting for this one! woo hoo! :)
- Susan Beebe
Feedback: 1-day, 3-day, and 7-day look pretty good. 14-day and 30-day summaries seem swamped by the last 7 days (Maybe searches in 10-30-days should have older items weighted heavier than in 1-3-7 day summaries). Awesome! This really helps with the "Page 11" (Search past #300-399 fails design). My Friends feed (of 149 people) only goes back about 4 hrs. Everything past that is lost... Wish my regular Friends feed would save 24+ hrs. Nice job Bret!
- Mitchell Tsai
ooh, what's this? ok, same thing I already talked about. awesome!
- Kamilah Gill
Bret, you are an absolute genius. Every time I hear you speak (or write) I am just more and more impressed.
- Alex Hammer
Search by service for Top 100 YouTube pictures, Blog articles, Google Reader/Del.icio.us articles, Last.fm songs... We can search for "&service=picasa&num=100", "&service=flickr", "&service=blog", "&service=googlereader","&service=delicious" See http://friendfeed.com/e... for multiple Top 100 searches from the past 1-2-3-7-14-30 days.
- Mitchell Tsai
Hmm.. And this is the first item in my personalized recommendations? I guess it works :)
- Dimitri Glazkov
What's very VERY cool is that service filters work with this as well http://friendfeed.com/e.... EDIT: I just saw Mitchell already posted this feature. I should have known, he's always on top of these things :)
- Bwana ☠
Nice, that was the thing to do. I hope to get something like that for Twitter and I think it's still possible to make.
- fbrunel
I bet FF hires Mitchell to code up queries!! LOL good stuff here Bret & Mitchell!!
- Susan Beebe
@Bret: I'm sad you don't support APML.
- directeur
Susan: I'm just too lazy (and retired May 2007). Now I code in Excel & FriendFeed (rather than Fortran 66 & Cobol). I just bookmark my own FriendFeed posts in Safari & Firefox rather than make too many Safari bookmark-sub-menus. Getting too lazy to write HTML or LAMP. ;-) Headed to Yosemite in a few days after the Harmony Festival this weekend - Robert Scoble's Ansel Adams visit was too tempting :0)
- Mitchell Tsai
Awaiting for more kick-ass features from FF! Great work!
- Winston Teo
This is great Bret. FF keeps getting better.
- Michael Carter
Hmmm. If the list of most popular posts contains only posts which I have liked, commented on or clicked through, does that make me the most popular friendfeeder ever? ;-)
- Slappy Line
Are there plans to extend "best of" to FF rooms? Depending on the number of members and activity, that could be really interesting.
- Tom Landini
This is so incredibly awesome. FriendFeed just returned to the same level of utility (for my usage patterns) as before the launch / noise onslaught. :-)
- Kevin Scott
awesome, thats useful! now i need direct messages, go one
- Alexander Oelling
I find it interesting on how this feature is at the top of "best of the month." Seems kinda pointless.
- Rishabh Mishra (p248)
Finally back on a full computer after a nearly two-week absence (no, I didn't go to Peru, I went to Alabama). Looks nice.
- Ontario Emperor
Great addition! Next feature request: let me filter by people I really know vs. people I just like to follow so I can see what my "real" friends are doing at a glance.
- Dave Hanson
For anyone new to digg, this is a great tracking program (digg alerter) for watching your submissions. And it will program your mind to salivate whenever you hear "dooty-doot-doo" and a story goes popular - http://blog.adamant.com.au/blog...
50/50 with Friendfeed and Google Reader. I have been a heavy GReader user for months, and Friendfeed has dovetailed nicely into that usage. People are friendlier and more interesting on Friendfeed than other social media sites.
- Mark Trapp
I'm a heavy Google Reader user, FF and twitter. Those three are my most used at the moment
- Liz Polay-Wettengel
Same as the previous three comments, although lately my activity on Twitter isn't as flowing due to reading up on blogs I find through FF/GR!
- Joe Dawson
Twitter, FriendFeed and I just opened a StumbleUpon account last night. Pretty cool.
- Sharon McPherson
FF, Twitter, Pownce, Digg and instant message.
- MikeonTV
Twitter has my friends, Google Reader has my feeds and notes about particular posts. Delicious is for my bookmarks. FriendFeed rounds them all together..
- MLx
FriendFeed the most, use Mento for one-stop shopping on my bookmarking and have started using Greader as well. Oh and I still use Twitter some
- Marco(aureliusmaximus)
Google Reader 40%, FriendFeed 40%, Twitter 10%, Others 10%
- Mike Reynolds
I'm probably right in line Mike Reynolds.
- Kevin D. White
Google Reader, FriendFeed and Twitter. Although I seem to be using Twitter less and less due to the fact that twhirl seems to be breaching the API limit every time I go to use it.
- Timothy Neilen
FriendFeed is definitely one I'm spending a lot more time on, but before that, I used SU and Digg the most
- Natitude
facebook. b/c my friends are there. twitter b/c it's easy. FF b/c it ovides a wider view. Dinner with friends b/c i like food and talking to folks
- @baratunde
from twhirl
Twitter, Zannel, Brightkite, and more recently, FriendFeed
- Sam Guzman
Pownce is my most active. I check it every day at lunch and in the evenings. I've made some great friends there, many of whom are into Web development and social media and others who aren't. It's a very friendly place and the nature of it makes it great for having long conversations as well as for posting links and files. I also check socialthing once a day to get a good overview of my friends activities on Pownce, Facebook, Flickr and Twitter and am now popping in here more often.
- Heidi Cool
I seem to be more active on Twitter and Digg. I need to try Pownce. Never used it
- Ritu
Digg, Twitter, Friendfeed...not sure if GReader counts as SM the way I use it.
- John Wesley
I digg everyday, but I am beginning to enjoy stumbleupon more and more. There is a better feeling of community on SU than on digg. I am fairly new to Twitter, but I am becoming addicted to it. It will be even better when I get more followers(hint,hint)
- Shane Floyd
does ff count it's the only one i go to now
- Anthony Farrior
I haven't really been active on FF. I recently started using it after this room was created. This was a wonderful opportunity to pass to connect with you guys. Glad I tried FF. I need to give Pownce a shot though. hear a lot about it
- Ritu
Digg, Facebook, Twitter, FF most often at the moment
- Kimberly J
Agree with Tamar. A little bit of both really.
- Howard O'Berry
I would like to see A-list bloggers like Michale Arrington, Darren from Problogger, Maki from DoshDosh, Andy Beard and others to talk about the Internet, Blogging, Social Media in an open forum! So I invite them to this room to talk in a Senate that Mu created for us!
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
Michael Arrington has said he won't use Friendfeed until they include a "block" feature. Don't know about the rest of them.
- Mark Trapp
I think this is one of the best forums I've seen to discuss social media. It's so centralized and it has a nice and easy comment system. Needless to say, it could be even better if people could find this room more easily :].
- Ethan Klapper
If Arrington wants to block someone he is not welcome! This is an open forum not a closed forum!
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
Unfortunately I have been disappointed in the number of people who tout the "amazing community building aspects" of social media in very unsociable ways. Have shifted the majority of my focus to FriendFeed because I was getting tired of all the 'experts' on Twitter who had no interest in actually engaging anyone - they just wanted to stand on top of their proverbial mountaintop and share their amazing knowledge and insights with "the masses" - ugh
- Marco(aureliusmaximus)
We as Bloggers and innovators need to join together and be a guiding light for the whole Blogging community, not say, "This is my Follower, He is my Follower!"
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
@Marco -- and FriendFeed doesn't go down like Twitter!
- Ethan Klapper
Bloggers Unite for a common cause to help each other become strong advocates of whatever our cause may be!
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
Together we strong divided we fall! If we compete with each other for followers we are just "noise" and the mass media wins and we lose!
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
Yes, we still need social skills for social media to work. Play nice everyone!
- Ethan Klapper
Here, like Pownce, we seem to be social. SM is all about communication and back and forth. That seems to succeed enormously here while elsewhere you see folks cross-posting to Twitter/Pownce/Jaiku, etc. without ever interacting with their readers.
- Heidi Cool
We need to interact with the readers to educate each other! Social Blogging is not about from the Top down, but across all social divides!
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
It depends on the space and the individual. Some people are more social in certain communities (including real life) while some aren't.
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
We are social ... but somebody likes filters...
- funkyboy
from Posty
Seeing a teenager texting on their phone the other day made me think. It seems mostly young people text and mostly 18 and older Twitter. Is that because younger people like to be part of tightly-knit groups and older people are okay with loosely-knit ones?
- Bill Bittner
I think it's a sign of the demo: early adopters tend to be 18-25 with disposable income. You look at MySpace and Facebook: both started out with college-age people. Once they got huge, high schoolers and younger kids got on board. Once Twitter hits mainstream and early adopters move on, you'll see it explode.
- Mark Trapp
hmmm, looks interesting. Like google desktop with a sense of humour
- Andrea Hill
I am using it http://timelope.com/mikeontv I have also been in contact with the admin and there is no public release yet so if you sign up and play around be sure to know that things will change and bugs are no fault of the admin. That said, it has amazing potential!
- MikeonTV
You almost got me with this post! I was like whaaaaaa?
- Natitude
man, with the latest news about the twitter problems, many will click on your post.
- Laurentiu
and Google will provide 2GB worth of webspace to store ya twitter pics.
- Jonathan Kong
My heart sank. I don't know what I was feeling. I guess in my heart of hearts I knew it was a good thing. I just dont want to feel overwhelmed any more than I already am.
- MikeonTV
@igor the troll yes you can learn social media in here and also try to match the infinite wit of mikeontv
- jaybol
I think we learn Social Media where ever we are, if not, we are Anti-Social. I like learning in a natural settings of accidental lessons. But we can all share our ideas and knowledge about Social Media in this room. Maybe I will invite a sociology professor so he can help us understand social media theory! Let's see if he is willing to come!
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
@MikeonTV My post is now true. I knew it would happen soon.:-)
- Shane Floyd
I had this idea after the discussion on how many RSS feeds we have. Please post the link to your site or sites that you would like people in the room to subscribe to and we can all show our support for each other
http://knobee.com/feed/ You won't have to worry about me filling up your feedreader, but there won't be any harm in adding me in case I do write something.
- Vince DeGeorge
What an excellent idea! Looking forward to a much fatter RSS reader.
- Muhammad Saleem
That is a great method of sharing. Way to go Jaybol~
- ViralReality
http://eklapper.com — there will be a lot of name dropping as I will be writing a post based on these FriendFeed discussions!
- Ethan Klapper
Ur nuts to think people aren't just going to drop in their own feeds. But I never said I don't like the idea. Checkout MikeonTV's pictureblog http://mikeontv.tumblr.com/rss
- MikeonTV
Now .. what we need is an OPML file of all these for easy importing.
- Tris Hussey
Just created an OPML file for these, it's hand coded so my apologies if one or two of them don't work but at least it makes it a bit simpler then hand adding all feeds. http://tjnphotography.com/socialm...
- Timothy Neilen
that OPML didn't work... or at least wasn't very "Open"
- Noah David Simon
Worked for FeedDemon just dandy. Thank you! Subbed to all
- Tris Hussey
from twhirl
Worked for FeedDemon just dandy. Thank you! Subbed to all
- Tris Hussey
from twhirl
Tagging and foldering are both representations of organizational calculus. I believe that tagging has several important signatures: 1) you can create new ones at the time of organization, 2) you are presented with the full set of tags that you use. Foldering also allows for folders to be treated the same as the documents being foldered (you can put a folder in the same place an item might go.) I'm not sure what the differences labels have from those two. [engtech - i disagree; tags are fine for single use]
- joshua schachter
As long as the functionality is the same, I don't care what you call them; either label (no pun intended) will suffice. Just don't call them folders like Google Docs does...
- Voyagerfan5761
In my mind, labels = tags for personal use. Tags works for both public & private use and are generally well understood, so I'd say tags.
- Jess Lee
I'm impartial and I agree with Voyagerfan, Google "folders" is a ridiculous hoax. I'd pick labels if only because tagging might be misunderstood to be graffiti if you're not in the 'net mindset.
- Mitch
Tags for geeks, labels for mainstream, IMO. My choice is tags.
- Turker Keskinpala
Automated keywords derived from existing content, or folders when it comes to stuff like Gmail or Google Docs. On the other hand, tags often give incentive to come up with more descriptive words if the title etc. doesn't suffice. Still think it's bad for e.g. YouTube to make providing tags mandatory. Shouldn't you offer the laziest options for users?
- Philipp Lenssen
tags! labels give me the impression I should only use one. "tag" probably also sounds better in more languages.
- Mario Romero
When you label something you are defining that something, when you tag something, you are attaching/categorizing that something. Tags are better for categorizing topics on social networking sites like this one, labels are good for email and sorting. The creator of gmail's labels/filters is a perfect implementation of labels and filters
- Kyle Weller
Paul, a great idea for friendfeed would be to have a filter/label feature like gmail with friendfeed alerts. What does everyone think?
- Kyle Weller
Don't most sites use tags? Why confuse people?
- Devin Anderson
tags. because "tags" has a few equally plausible meanings the first time a user encounters it, it is initially disorienting. "Labels" has one more prominent meaning, so it isn't disorienting. unfortunately, that prominent meaning doesn't connect very meaningfully to its function in this case. it in fact HIDES some of the functions of tags/labels. only reason to go with "labels" would be to avoid being accused of being too techie.
- ryan
I thought it was just a terminology thing, don't they both serve the same purpose? In any case, I prefer the term, tags.
- Bwana ☠
#Tags are better then just plain tags.I see it as a cloud above a tag cloud
- Peter Dawson
i think as terminology they frame the way users understand their function. labels, as someone before said, sounds like a one-to-one relationship a bit.
- ryan
Tags. FYI, tagging only works well if multiple people are tagging the same item to build up a taxonomy. So many sites don't go the extra step of aggregating tags around an item, which makes it much less valuable. I find it very hard to consistently tag items the same way all the time, but if you look at the aggregate of many people tagging the same item then you start to get into the wisdom of the crowd sweet spot. A lot of people get tags and categories confused, categories are for me and tags are for us.
- engtech
Index! We had the same internal debate, we ended up using labels since the non-techcrunch crowd would have an easier time understanding that.
- Andreas Schobel
Tags !! anyway isn't another way of saying to-MAH-to or to-MAY-to ??
- Jez Arnold
If you mean "what should I call this tagging feature" then labels are good
- Neil Kandalgaonkar
Looks like the vote's for tags then - and I hope you're not just teasing us poor users!
- Slappy Line
Tags are better because they are entered at capture time. Labels are only useful when applied automatically e.g. filters in gmail triggering off name+labelname@gmail.com. Therefore, remove the distinction and empower tags to do everything labels do, and we can eliminate the distinction from name to the way they are used.
- Mark Norman
fact: labels can leave sticky residue on the screen
- Slappy Line
http://www.friendfeedstats.com/bgolub... is mine, and you can set the display type, if you feel fancy you can set your duration by appending duration=5 (which would say the last 5 days) to the url. I am going to open source it soon so you all can see how easy it was
- Benjamin Golub
You really capitalize on this stuff, don't you?
- Brandon Titus
Really cool app, Ben! Thanks again for all the feedback this past week.
- Bret Taylor
Very nice! Good to see someone making cool apps with the newly released FF API.
- Scott Jarkoff
It wasn't done in a matter of hours. I actually had access to the API over the weekend. Overall the site only took like a day and half of working "here and there" on it.
- Benjamin Golub
Looks neat. I'm getting an error message when I search for just my nickname (not my full name) though.
- Philipp Lenssen
Ya, it's not a true search, It just takes in a nickname and trys to find that EXACT nickname in the database. So if you type philipp in there it will find you but if you type Philipp Lenssen it won't. I don't want it to be a search, and I won't be making it search for your actual name because many people can have the same actual name
- Benjamin Golub
That could be confusing: "Philipp Lenssen" is the name I see on top here, it's the name I see in my account name box, etc. Not to complain, just to give you feedback (and perhaps for all of us to determine good patterns with FF-API usage).
- Philipp Lenssen
I agree it could be confusing, but philipp is what you logged in with. I could easily add it in to say, look if only 1 person has that name (case insensitive) and redirect to that user page. But your nickname is meant to be pretty permament. Actually you used to be able to change your nickname on the FF site but they removed that after I asked what happens when someone changes their nickname? Everyone has a UUID too, but that is not a user facing thing.
- Benjamin Golub
@philipp ok I implemented a name search too. If you type Philipp Lenssen into the box it will redirect you to your page. I take exactly what you type in there and do a case insensitve lookup for the name if nothing shows up for your nickname.
- Benjamin Golub
Thats a fun stats service but more it has enlightened me that Twitter takes up 46% of the usage over all the services Friend Feed keeps track of. More than blog posts or google reader!
- MikeonTV
No wonder the FF team first implemented postback for Twitter, it is the most used service. My guess is blogs (wordpress/blogger/etc) will be next. Maybe Pownce too because they have an easy to use api.
- Benjamin Golub