hmmmm - really Drudge? "Strike back"? I guess he means like "you leveled my house with your tank so i will now key your car" kind of strike back (yea, yea - keeps 'em from 60 blah, blah - still think "Strike Back" is a bit much)
Totally agree as an registered Ind, I went for a more responsible government. At this point Rep have a great deal to prove they have a foundation to stand on.
- Enriqueta
Georgia "struck back" by electing a politician that is known to be corrupt, runs blatantly dirty campaigns, harasses people into submission, deals under the table, is [still] ignorant on many issues, and is generally a very annoying man. If this is the way they "strike back" then they truly are lead by the Dark Side of the Force.
- xero
lmao Wow @xero - you did it didn't you, you actually went for the full-on Star Wars metaphor +1
- Marco(aureliusmaximus)
Just had a conversation with the CEO that "didn't happen." AGGGHH!! Good things possibly coming my way, but I can't talk about it or think about it cause it might just not happen. Glad we had the talk though...
Two of the biggest leap forwards in my career came from just such conversations. In each case CEO was worried about impact of massive change announcements, and didn't want knee jerk or Fud to have an impact on my long term plans while announcement and preliminary changes implemented. In one case change would not have gone ahead in same time frame if I said "no" ... So without knowing all the circumstances I can't agree with Gregory on this one.... (maybe) .... At any rate, good luck Justin ...
- David HC Soul
ps. Justin, just remember: it has happened as you've posted its existence publicly here
- David HC Soul
David - I know this is public, but nothing was revealed. For all you (and the public know) the "good" could be anything. That brings up a good question though...if you were the CEO and you found out about this FF conversation, would you think twice about it?
- Justin Korn
David - fair enough. Perhaps I should have kept it to myself, however, I don't feel I revealed anything in regards to the company or myself. Where is the line here?
- Justin Korn
from IM
No easy calls on this one, Justin. I just would just worry that a colleague does see this thread and comes to you and says "So what didn't happen with the boss?" - and what do you say then? Or what if the co-worker (perhaps someone senior to yourself say) goes to the President and says "I see you let Justin in on it... any particular reason?".... Am I paranoid? Well perhaps, but the world is a small place connected in ways we can't even begin to imagine. Why take a chance on premature disclosure?
- David HC Soul
David - you make some good points. I guess I'm not that paranoid...but perhaps I should be. Also you don't know all the details (which there aren't many of), so I really don't think I have anything to be paranoid about. It was just a good conversation (that never happened). I don't know, but I appreciate your comments and feedback on it though.
- Justin Korn
from IM
As I said earlier Justin, two of my biggest leaps forward (professionally & in terms of personal satisfaction) came from just such conversations that never happened ...and I hope the same holds true for you....
- David HC Soul
In my experience it's better to keep that on the shelf looking pretty because it's faaaaar from happening until it's happened... Good luck though j to the k
- Phill Price
Yeah, the husband definitely doesn't act very pleased
- Michael Hocter
the guy has a large room dedicated to what in 1967 had to have amounted to tens of thousands of dollars worth of video equipment and he was pissed about a shirt and pair of pants? that's one frugal mofo
- Marco(aureliusmaximus)
Hi-tech contrasts nicely in this video with the stone-age gender roles.
- Chuck LeDuc Díaz
Well thought out. Not sure if I'm smart enough to digest it all myself but it was a well reasoned post. The real question is can it be fixed in a era where it seems as if the only way to win is to pander to one extreme end or the other. We seem to be missing centrisits in both parties (IMHO).
- Mike
it will definitely not be easy - the reality is that my party is largely responsible for the era you refer to - its hard to fault our 50+1 strategy from 2004 in some ways because i dont think we would have won any other way but that strategy demands that you maximize the support and enthusiasm of the "low hanging fruit" which then creates an environment where your proposals are designed to appeal to a narrow segment of your party instead of the broader population
- Marco(aureliusmaximus)
i hope you didn't get special treatment either but still hooray for getting your cash back. now ebay is a little less horrible in my book.
- robert steburg
Of course they are giving you special treatment. They want you to stop talking about the problem. And since you are you, you deserve special treatment!
- Darrell Holmquist
Certainly the rest of us ripped off on ebay don't get treated like this.
- Steven Cogswell
wow I wish I recieved such customer service
- David Saunders
Clearly they were tired of hearing their name muttered with a grimace on your shows, as well.
- Randal Schwartz
Good good. Hopefully everyone else gets treated the same way.
- xero
probly not special treatment. I got ripped off for 500.00 on a mac purchase and ebay refunded me, just took 30 days to get it
- Rodzilla
I would cash the cheque as well. I hope you don't stop taking about it, your influence sets EBay on a path away from indifference. It's a great resource for us and if you chatting nudges change, well that's a slice of why we support you Leo. Cash the cheque and keep the faith.
- Vince Green
I got ripped off on the purchase of a dell laptop for my daughter and ebay refunded me as well including what I paid for shipping. If one can prove they've been ripped off, ebay is pretty good about helping out in my experience. PayPal on the other hand . . . not so much. And it hasn't changed now that ebay owns them, either.
- Annie Anderson
from twhirl
Leo ... Of course they are ( I would) .. the negative publicity is killing them. They should have done it at the 1st mention ... could have saved them a lot of lost consumer confidence in their paypal product. ... BUT it was a great lead in to your new Visa sponsor! I always use a credit card in paypal checkout .. yes VISA!
- Todd Loren Sinclair
After hearing your story in every VISA ad they couldn't take it anymore and cried Uncle :) Great news.
- Jonathon
Congrats leo. make sure you stay with visa. LOL :)
- ZOD
I am so happy that you got your money back. It's about time. Congrats! :-)
- Jennifer Ruggiero
Glad you got your money back but I gotta believe you talking about it over and over again made a difference
- Steve Holden
I hope you DID get special treatment. Why? It's very effective when one thinks "If they jipped Leo what would happen to us?!?" That's all I could think about whenever I heard you tell your story. If they wouldn't help you, than someone like me would be cooked.
- Jim Stanger
hmmmm, if this was special treatment that isn't good. How can we find out?
- Jonathan Denison
Wonder if Chris Pirillo will get the rest of his money back from his crazyness as well.
- Shawn aka ringking
I've flown from one side of this galaxy to the other. I've seen a lot of strange stuff, but I've never seen anything to make me believe there's one all-powerful force controlling everything. There's no mystical energy field that controls my destiny.
- Ňicķ
nope -- looks like twitter has restored the db, but from three weeks ago. Poof! Three weeks have vanished with only the echo of a splash where once the fail whale had been just moments before.
- Brad Collins
from twhirl
"That's no moon...it's the FAIL WHALE!"
- Jeff Garlick
I lost all my followers and everybody i was following, I have lost faith in Twitter.
- Jay
did you exceed your 1500 SMS allowance again? damn UPOC
- sean808080
I just think it's awesome that Leo quoted the exact movie line.
- Brent Newhall
You can still hear them crying, can't you, Clarisse.
- Oldengrey (Jay)
I very much enjoyed this whole post and it's lovely comments. Leo, you're awesome. Heh
- Lise
When I checked my "nearby" tweets in twinkle, my wife showed up... so I think if you have the location stuff turned on, then yeah... But as long as you're not tweeting with a twinkle other than your wife, then no problem!
- James P.
from twhirl
I like the twinkle feature of nearby, I found some new folks by using it that I already knew. Bad if you are being stalked.
- Alan Ashley
from twhirl
Yes. And I agree with @briansullivan but also because it's less wasteful. There is generally no benefit to bottled water, only plastic waste and money spent.
- ·[▪_▪]·
I do not agree with Brian Sullivan(?) There has been poisin reports of nuts throwing it into the water. But thats just some of the cleanest water in the U.S.
- Sweyn Venderbush
from fftogo
Penn and Teller did a whole show about this on Showtime. Tap water is regulated by thousands of EPA agents. Bottled, FDA one guy.
- Bob Hires
Just got back from camping in Italy - they have taps all over the place in towns to get water. Why don't more countries do this?
- Rich
Bottled water costs more than gasoline. That's a bit screwed up...
- Andrew Leyden
for sure, and drink it only if you are in the desert with no other water source to choose from. Drinker beware!
- Jeremy Campbell
from twhirl
Yes. I do. But I go ahead and drink it. Beat back the dark gremlins in your head Kevin!
- AJ Kohn
yes in india, my face turned white and the host noticed. He then shouted something to the "boy" standing in the corner and the water bottles in the room were replaced with ones that went 'click'
- Colin Britton
from twhirl
Do what The Queen does, use a British Berkefeld water filter. It can filter out just about anything evil. http://www.jamesfilter.com/
- klaatu
We love your job too, and how well you do it. :)
- Margaret Kerr
from twhirl
i love your job except when i am trying to get something done, because i can't tune you out.
- robert steburg
I love your job too and if I had it I might be able to afford all of the "toys" you turn me on to. Keep at it!
- Mike
@Robert: I think there might be a direct correlation between how much Leo loves his job and my inability to do mine when he is on. :) PS I can't stop whistling the Skype Dial Tone now!
- Johnny Worthington
We love that you love your job. For some of us in our jobs, however, the opposite of love applies. :-(
- Dave "Freedom 35"
Do what you love, love what you do. It is a fundemental truth that escapes most of us.
- Rob Fuller
from twhirl
love that you love your job so should we all
- Danny Pratt
And I love the output. I look forward to Macbreak Weekly and TWiT.
- Jonathon
It's a great job. Congrats on 24 hours of iphone.
- Ryan
Many people would say they love the job you do! :)
- Chris Luckhardt
How could you not love your job! Actually you could not love it, but you wouldn't do it as well if you didn't love it.
- Jenz
Great to read someone loves there job! I love the positive vibe. I've just subscribed, I don't know what your job is... pardon my ignorance :)
- Adrian Nadeau
As soon as it's released here (f** you orange), I'm gonna buy one. Here 3G coverage is perfect and I want the GPS. It's an horrible shame that it doesn't have video calling.
- Jean Berniolles
Nope. Got my Unlocked Curve on T-mobile and my 30gig iPod...if anything, the new apps store and 2.0 firmware make me want to get an iPod Touch but I'm passing on the iPhone....
- Live4Emma (L4S)
At some point, probably - but for now, I adore my Treo... No reason to change horses when the one you're on is running really well.
- Lucretia Pruitt
Treo massive stand up! Ok...so more like Treo Tiny Sub Culture, but whatever.
- Bradley McSpinn
Got one. First time user, so really enjoying it. Better than any phone I've had before. It reminds me of that feeling I had with the original Palm device. Something mind changing about how you think about going about things.
- John Collis
I'm in BFE so there's not even a chance I'll see one for a long long time, plus I like my blackberry for now.
- Garrett
As a former Treo owner I have to ask why?? Have you used the iPhone? There is no comparison. Trust me, I'm being honest, and I work for Microsoft. Well done Apple.
- Ryan
Ryan - Two things, for me. First off, AT&T's service is HORRIBLE, here. Second, there are 3rd party applications for my Treo that I simply can't get for the iPhone. Oh, make it 3 things - I hold great value in mashable keys. I've used the iPhone's keyboard, and to say I dislike it would be a massive understatement.
- Bradley McSpinn
I want one but will not get one i don't think still to expensive waiting for iphone Version 3
- Cecil Sandus
I'm going to get an iPod Touch so I can run the apps .. that's more exciting to me then 3G or GPS ... voice dialing would be much more useful for me at this moment
- John Blanton
from twhirl
not at this time. if i was a social media "expert", then i might see the need to buy into the frenzy, but reality is that I like it, but don't need it right now. tech lust is the modern version of sports. keep 'em distracted and you can get away with anything ;^)
- Chris
Nah, I've never had good experiences with GSM service around here, and my Ocean has all the features I want, so I'm good.
- Richard Lawler
from twhirl
I already bought mine.. and had to already return it for repairs. Broken motion sensor!
- Teppo Kotirinta
I would love to hget one but all my lcal stores are out and they dont know when they will get more in ... 8( I live in a little town and one store only got 3 phones..
- John Spencer
from twhirl
Nope! I guess that means someone else will have to buy two. :-)
- Richard Klein
Yep, once all the furore has died down and they're everywhere. 'Til then, I'll use my 'classic' iPhone :)
- Brad Brooks
Can't shell out the bucks for the iPhone. I am looking at getting a Treo or Centro though.
- Mark
I think I will stick with my blackberry for a while.
- Matt
from twhirl
Crackberry 8830 Curve is better than iPhone -- just ask MG Siegler! ha, ha!!
- Susan Beebe
I'll buy an iPhone when they pry my Blackberry from my cold, dead hands.
- Jeff Jones
got it this morning. no wait, no line, no problems - for $199 it's unbeatable
- Nathan Chase
Got one last night, long line even at 8:30 p.m.! It's a great phone but power management could be easier. Check out my thoughts on it : lonseidman.com/?q=node/281/
- Lon Seidman
no, the price plans in new zealand are insane... and my wife won't let me.
- sergiooo
In HK also it's not so interesting...you must pay a prepayment (about 350$) which will be rebated in 2 years and you must pay 55$/month...
- Jean-François Amadei
from twhirl
Still trying to decide. My Dash has been having issues and T-Mobile gave me a hard time about fixing the problem. So it is about time for a new phone. My big concern is the battery. Lots of reports of the iPhone not making it through the day.
- David Z
It takes 10 days to switch from sfr to orange so I can keep my phone number. Anyway, 3g iPhone meets my expectations but the battery is a concern, lack of copy-paste function as well.
- yvons
friendfeed.com/iphone and fftogo don't quite cut it. Not fully featured and when compared to native apps they seem sluggish.
- Steve Isaacs
I'm really liking the web app. Not sure if there is really a need for a native app.
- Frederic
I'm with frederic though I'm sure they will make one eventually - but as of last week weren't working on one
- MG Siegler
Yeah, web app is still pretty slick. Oh, and iPhone Gcal replaced the native Calendar app for me.
- Randy
I'm pretty happy with the FF web icon...especially after seeing the new Facebook :(
- Nate Lewis
What about Twhirl? I use that sometimes for FriendFeed as well as for Twitter
- Ian May
FF app would be nice but the app I'm waiting for is a podcast client. Mobile Me wireless for contacts and x app for wireless podcasting. Your a podcaster Leo use your powers.
- Zack
twirl is ok...it digns on every comment...but only shows the original post...
- Matt
no more traffic now everyone else has gone else where
- Toby Weston
from twhirl
I just read this and did a little bit of sick in my mouth.
- Chris Nixon
Ya know - if Twitter got rid of all the spammers - I bet their services would actually work....
- George Smith
Yeah, I think a lot more of us are looking at FF, etc. I'm only posting on Twitter via Ping... not checking there.
- Paul Otto
I am spending a lot less time actually posting on Twitter. Right now I bounce posts starting at Ping.fm -> BrightKite -> Twitter Haven't seen a whale in a while.
- Robert Gonzalez
Does this have any correlation to Pivotal Labs doing work for Twitter? If anyone knows how to scale RoR, it's PL.
- AJ Kohn
and pownce's load times are significantly improved... what's next?
- Frankie Warren
I thought someone did post something yesterday saying that Twitter had managed to make some improvements recently.
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
maybe it's not crashing, but it still doesn't have IM support back yet.
- Ben Reierson
Twutter seens ti be dead, used to be getting a few hundred updates an hour now only getting like 10-15.
- Andrew Fielding
I think people are starting to use it less and less. Like me, i guess...
- Saul Mora
from twhirl
They allow for more update requests again now. Its back to 70 per hour where as it has been 20 or something for a while now. Things are looking up at last :)
- Simon Wicks
...but twitters downtime is its business model! Remember friendster?
- Vipin Chamakkala
I agree with others I think people are using it less because of the summer months, and maybe their infrastructure is better after their big $15 million dollar injection
- Jeremy Campbell
from twhirl
@Simon, where did you see that the API requests is set to 70 again? According to their status page it's still at 20.
- John Barker
It's definitely not the FriendFeed effect, Twitter is still growing. Turns out they actually are doing stuff to fix the service. See: http://venturebeat.com/2008...
- Nicholas Molnar
@John Barker tweet deck (the twitter application) twittered about it, so im just going from them
- Simon Wicks
From tweetdeck: 'Twitter API limit is now upto 100 per hour, this will make all 3rd party twitter API apps run smoothly ' http://twitter.com/tweetde...
- Simon Wicks
I added you two weeks ago. Guys and Gals - use the hide button to reduce the info overload.
- Russellreno
yea I am trying to figure out how to make my friend feed posts go out to twitter
- Jason Stephens
Jason: why? post to twitter and bring them in.
- Kevin L
klecu: because then I have to leave friendfeed, I want to do everything in here...when I share I want it to go out to all my services too....
- Jason Stephens
exactly my point...I think it could be a twitter replacement though...i like posting to hear better then posting on twitter. I'd like the messages I share on here to go out to my twitter followers to help grow my subscriber list
- Jason Stephens
So is it Ping.fm that does that (posts to Twitter) then, not FriendFeed?
- Jeff Kopp
The method to comment and reply is much better on friendfeed, I think this definitly should either be bought by twitter or find a way to cross integrate them better. I see the option to "also send this comment as an @reply twitter from jpstephens" but thats not EXACTLY what I mean
- Jason Stephens
Jason: I totally agree, if you can post out to all your socials then someone tell me how. If not, then FF should have the option or I smell yet another social network for social networks. ;)
- Mark
You could try Mahalo share to post to a lot of your socials at once, but wouldn't this create a bit of a spam effect to FF if all of those socials are showing up here? Interested to hear comments from anyone with that experience, because of course you don't want to spam your FF friends, but not everyone is using FF... conundrum
- Dave Earley
Glad you got it Kevin. Friendfeed lends it self to more engaging conversation and sharing.
- Larry Kless
Problem is, you have to Friend back. :)
- l0ckergn0me
Did Scoble block you for begging for followers?
- Ryan Kuder
yeah there's real potential. but it's so damn hard to manage your friend list! same as with twitter - this is a huge barrier to the usability of the site. there should be a subscribe/unsubscribe button next to every post from anybody.
- Mickipedia
Friendfeed is awesome Kev. Everything at your fingertips.
- Vipin Chamakkala
This is a common refrain - people admitting that it takes them months to get FriendFeed. And for those of us who aren't honest enough to publicly admit this, it takes us months to use FriendFeed effectively. Is there a way to reduce this learning curve, so people can productively use FriendFeed from day 1?
- Ontario Emperor
from fftogo
There are all sorts of things they could do to improve FriendFeed. I guess we have to remember it is version 1.0
- Jonathan Beckett
You don't get it Kevin unless you're willing to friend us back. I believe same goes for Twitter. Why add you to our community if you're not willing to listen to us?
- Jesse Stay
So the question now is: Will Kevin friend us back? All of us? Or selective friending?
- Winston Teo
Yea, welcome on Board Dude ;) Good to see you here ...
- Martin Gommel
FriendFeed's concept does take a bit to grasp at first because we are sooo used to Twitter (uni-directional, broadcast communications tool) and FF is truly a multi-directional comm tool designed to illicit conversation around cool stuff you share via FF directly or thru nearly 50 Social Media "feeds" you can port over here. I love FF and have been super happy since I joined back in March! ;o). Glad you're here and having fun!!
- Susan Beebe
I still don't get it. There seems to just be too much noise. I get crap from people I don't know and I'm not following. Every item that hits my feed and has any comments takes up stupid amounts of space so it's hard to scan through. Twitter is just light weight and simple, and in that way it's more effective. If you could have a 1 or 2 line summary for each item then it'd be great, but as it is it's cluttered and overpowering, and I only have 6 follows, I can't imagine what it's like with 100s
- Mark Benson
from twhirl
About time you showed up. Now I can remove your twitter's entry in my Imaginary Friend. Real handy feature to track non-adopters.
- klaatu
I've explored every nook and cranny of Friendfeed now, grasped the interface and culture, and I am fairly certain that in its current incarnation it will catch on with only a very small percentage of Internet users. I have a fairly good track record in spotting major trends in Internet technology, and I don't think this is one. The main problem: way, way, way too much noise and...
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- Sean McBride
I like FF because you can have more conversations. I think the look/feel of FF needs some work though. Not enough easy ways to search and sort through.
- Geoff Peterson
FriendFeed does behave differently. The listing is dynamic and whatever has the most activity (liked and/or comments) will push other stuff down. Took a bit for me to adjust, especially since FriendFeed doesn't limit posts to only folks you follow. I hear you can change that, but I like the inclusivity I feel when I see interesting bits from a "friend of a friend."
- Arlan Koizumi
it's a bit hard for me to follow. twirl constantly getting messages from friendfeed. too much!
- excalipoor
I like FriendFeed, but I like twitter also. The big problem is neither works well in my smartphone browser. No commenting in FF, no replies in Twitter.
- David Z
@David - Try http://fftogo.com from your smartphone. It's the best option for me, so far, from my Treo with Blazer browser.
- Bradley McSpinn
from fftogo
it needs a better search....it is impossible to find a room unless you can find someone in that room..... and you need to be able to customize your page
- Matt
I think it's a really interesting use of Twitter. And this guy is no amateur. He's a published novelist. (His last novel, "Hooked," was a bestseller.)
- Leo Laporte
@dlangendorf was working on something like this for a while, as were others. There need to be lots of creative experiments with emerging social media, not just talk about the platforms themselves. Artists often show us the most interesting, non-obvious aspects. In mobile this is certainly the case.
- Dean Terry
I guess of memento more than anything (as Carlos mentioned above), but also it feels a little like After Hours. Listen, I'm not going to un-follow it or anything, because I think it's a great idea and if it goes in a cool direction, it could the first in a new media format, at least in English. I read a while ago about SMS novels in Japanese (see http://xrl.us/kj6fj). I guess Twitter makes it feel very current, so I really want it to work.
- Gregory Cohen
I'm not quite sure I "get" why people want identi.ca. I mean isn't it just a Twitter clone? Why go backwards from FriendFeed? Isn't FriendFeed already a superior communications platform? I signed up for it but I'm just not sure how I can justify spending time there when FF is vastly superior.
I just like playing around with new stuff. Already I tend to use FriendFeed more than Twitter and I'll probably goof with identi.ca for awhile like I did with Plurk. At least I like identi.ca a LOT more than Plurk.
- Akiva Moskovitz
There are two misguided notions: 1) that Identi.ca is a "federated" service out of the box (it isn't), and 2) that because it's open source, it automatically means all features anybody wants gets put back into the identi.ca service (it doesn't). It does allow you to run your own microblogging service and hack it up, if you want. Number of people who are going to do that? Very, very few.
- Mark Trapp
Yeah, I get "playing around" with it. I do that with everything too. But after playing around with it it just seems like Twitter, unless I'm missing something. If I'm going to invest time in something it needs to be a step forward, not backwards. Feels like a step backwards to me from FriendFeed.
- Thomas Hawk
the open sourced potential distributed hosting nature of it is whats interesting to me thomas - not a replacement for friendfeed which is conversation & discovery central for me but it could be an interesting experiment in what a short msg'g platform could be if architecturally done right - very early though
- mike "glemak" dunn
It is an interesting point and brings up the question of how viable an open source FriendFeed clone would be. The primary motivation for the Twitter clones has been performance, but perhaps there would be other advantages? Just a thought.
- Ray Grieselhuber
We like the concept as you can tell.. Just like twitter but not buggy!!!!!!!
- JegerPhil - Phil
Actually, now that I think about it, identi.ca will never be a real player until FriendFeed starts working with it.
- Akiva Moskovitz
I see no point to go backwards, of course first you have to try it if you want to compare it. http://ubervu.com/ this is what I wanna try when will be public.
- dan
I signed, but will use twitter for post feed distribution and the occasional chat, but i agree that this platform is where we should spend most of our time, when we are not creating content.
- Mário Pires
i keep my ff twitter free! micro-blogging belongs to twitter and co
- Dieter Schwarz
I second utterz, also left a message asking to intergrate its cross posting with FF, this way we can select if we want some or all messages input to FF.
- Tony C.
Damn, I wish you could "like" comments, because what Winer said here is exactly what I'm feeling, even if I'm not a developer.
- Mike McCallister
from NoiseRiver
I agree and I still find that I post to twitter. My network on FF is really limited and I get absolutely no feedback here. So until more people i know get on board or I become more interesting I post on Twitter and look enviously at people who can get feedback here. Either way, I've signed up for identi.ca but I'm not using it.
- Jeremy Kunz
from twhirl
People want all these new things because it's "trendy" to have a bajillion social networking tools. I have trouble keeping up with the ones I have, but then that's the product of a 9+ hour workday coupled with a 3+ hour round trip commute and finding time to spend with the family.
- jerry
Great dialog Thomas. Think most of us would agree that FF and Twitter are essentially two different avenues and that if a SOLID replacement to Twitter came along (with an importer) before they fix it .... could (will) see an exodus of a lot of users.
- Charlie Anzman
Amen to that! FF is a winner, hands down in my opinion!
- Jason
Hi Thomas. You make me wonder where are Pownce, Twine, and the whole. of course it's definitely the triumph of less is more: less functions, more community, that's why we're still twitting -
- Alberto D'Ottavi
FF will be the clear winner of this all when it gains SMS functionality
- Glenn Batuyong
from twhirl
I second Glenn Batuyong, SMS support is really a selling point for twitter IMO
- Jeremy Kunz
from twhirl
@Glenn that would be a great feature!
- Joe Dawson
twitter (when it works) is still better at being distributed and easy to understand
- Samuel Bostock
What's great about Indenti.ca is that IT IS a Twitter clone. No need to make it "fancier" or "Feature-packed", and what was great about Twitter is that it did ONE thing well (when it's available). FF is only useful for people like you, Winer and Scoble who have followers commenting on YOUR posts. For me, with 0 followers, I rely on my "friends" timeline to read what you guys are writing, and there's WAY too much noise. Especially the most annoying feature the "friend of a friend" posts.
- Terry
Of course, I just realized you hit "hide", then "see more options...", then "hide all friends-of-friends". That's a big fail in my book.
- Terry
Terry (and everyone else pissed off about noise), protip: if you don't like noise, don't start using a service only following A-listers. Those people are interacting with hundreds to thousands of people, and will introduce you to a huge amount of noise, even on Twitter. If you can't find people to follow that aren't A-listers, maybe being on that service isn't the best thing for you at this time. You can't have your cake and eat it, too.
- Mark Trapp
The stole the whole thing from Zobzee.com anyway.
- Jim Kukral
from twhirl
You know if they were an EXACT clone of Twitter (minus the downtime) I think they'd do very well.
- Leo Laporte
It's just another tube that feeds into FriendFeed, to me.
- Josh Bancroft
their IM works, me and another were having a convo through indenti.ca with IM which i miss with twitter. i just like playing around with new things as well, that and "reserve" my username on the new launches, just in case.
- Chris Harris
@Leo Yeah, They just have to do all the same features, and then we will just need a skin on it that makes it look 'exactly' like Twitter. Fail-Whale and everything :P Honestly, I've kinda moved away from the conversation on Twitter and Identi.ca. I mainly post on it with Ping.fm, but I don't really look at replies that much until I get a app. I don't know why, but I really just need something that will Pop Up, tell me what happened, then fade into the background. Browser won't do that
- Tyler (Chacha)
Mark, I'm one of those very very few people then. Already talking to a developer about adding identi.ca's platform to The China Business Network's re-launch. Let the hacking for niche communities begin. :)
- Christine Lu
Christine, don't get me wrong: that's really, really cool. And I'm sure there are going to be others like you that find uses for laconi.ca. There's this notion that open source = perfect software, and it's really being pushed today and yesterday with identi.ca. It's not a game changer. The "it has potential" argument only goes so far. Many, many, many projects have potential. It's what an enterprising person or group of people do with it that matters.
- Mark Trapp
I couldn't agree more. Why have a new service that is just a clone of another? Unless identi.ca can do something that Twitter can't, then thanks but no thanks.
- Brandon Wood
@Mark Trapp I totally understand about the A-lister noise, but up to certain point I LIKE the noise. I don't really care that one of my friends is about to take his dog for a walk, but I AM interested in Dave Winer's thoughts on whatever-new web app. Twitter for me is the perfect blend of quasi-feedreader and cult of personality. FF seems to be "everything that everyone's doing everywhere and sometimes more than once". Plus, I like the @ reply system.
- Terry
@leo, but it won't work; also friendfeed I think is more prone to take over a huge chunk of say what facebook does, rather than a huge chunk of what twitter/etc does. you still need the pipes to feed into the main. I'd also add that a more dynamic/distributed way to have a microblogging like community flow between IRC style chats and twitter like status blogging, so sort of the way to go...
- tycho garen
Let me just say, for once, I am enjoying my FriendFeed experience. Maybe it's all about participation. On Twitter, I can just read what others are saying and make an occasional stupid post... but here, it seems more enjoyable if you're actually INVOLVED in the conversation.
- Terry
SMS support isn't important to me. I prefer managing my interaction with a microblogging site myself rather than be interrupted. For me, and I may be unique here as a photographer, photos are also extremely important. That's why I liked Pownce a lot more than Twitter when it came out. But FF has them all beat hands down, so I'm still not sure why I'd invest time in something like identi.ca now.
- Thomas Hawk
I would have to agree with you on identi.ca. If twitter has this many problems already, would identi have the same issues as well. I really like FF much better then twitter or identi.
- Jeff Chilton
I'm with Thomas Hawk on SMS, too. I can just open up IE on my WM5 phone and hit Twitter or FriendFeed just fine.
- DeathByNinja
"open sourced potential distributed hosting nature," that sounds cool and all but it reminds me too much of stuff like OpenID or Ubuntu, or whatever it's called. Sounds really good but wayyyy too geeky to ever get broader adoption which is what makes a community site work best. FF has the traction at this point and a nucleus of interesting people sourcing interesting content filtered through social interactivity. Beats anything else out there at present.
- Thomas Hawk
I hope that things like this with their mobile extensions will see the end of the rip off that is SMS.
- John Cooper
I'm finding FF/Twitter great, but am exploring identi.ca
- Chris
It could be that folks are just looking (desperately) for something that will be more stable than Twitter, while having all the interesting people on it.
- Randy Hall
@leolaporte said it all. I get all of the luminaries tallkng to me in real time, and that reaks of awesome. AIR might just be the killer app of the year.
- adam garrett
from twhirl
Right now, Indenti.ca is Twitter, minus a bunch of things. Comparing Twitter and FriendFeed has always been an apple and oranges comparison anyway—one isn't better than the other, since they do different things. Twitter is essentially in beta right now; things should get interesting when Twitter is completely back with XMPP, track, etc.
- Albert Willis
@thomas Hawk and @deathbyninja Being someone with an unlimited data plan, I have to say that the usefulness of SMS should not be overlooked. Not everyone has unlimited data, and in some cases, that data is a walked garden (like T-Zones). Plus not everyone has a smartphone, and in some cases, it's just easier to slam out a text message (especially when in an area with crappy data...
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- Ivan
from fftogo
@Thomas Yes, I agree "open source, decentralized" sounds very geeky, but all that techie talk will be TRANSPARENT for ALL users once it all just works! http://is.gd/LlY
- Hao Chen
i agree. Fun to try different systems!
- Harry Myhre
Honestly, I found it just as slow as Twitter and missing in features. I know, I know - it's open source and features can be easily added. But really, most of my closest friends aren't leaving Twitter and most of my techie friends are on FF. Everyone segregated themselves for me. I reserved my user names at identi.ca, just like I did at Plurk, but that was the extent of it for me.
- Michelle Lentz
Having the ability to post media messages like utterz would be a nice addition to FF.
- Tim FitzGerald