where did he get a job? at a startup? tell us! =) and btw fred, great to see you helping young entrepreneurial people like this. not many in your position would do that!
- Anton Johansson
That put a smile on my face. It was very kind of you to help him
- Michael Fidler
I'm the commenter, I got a job at W Media Ventures here in Vancouver, Canada - All thanks to Fred emailing some people for me and getting me some intros.
- Michael Yurechko
It's a gutsy move. However, if you have the drive and the mental maturity to see things through... best of luck to you, Michael. I think a lot of us are cheering you on (secretly wishing that was us at 17).
- Alexander Grundner
No, he'd be a geek in the making if he did the dance when you started installing Windows 7 ;-)
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
My 2.5 year old helped me today with Windows 7 too! HA! So easy, a toddler can do it. :)
- Brendan Cosgrove
That's cute. I think Windows 7 has convinced me to buy a new PC for the first time in 5 years.
- Michael Yurechko
I wish I could install Windows 7, but the install fails. Look at me, 12 years older than your son and I can't even do it! Makes me want to rethink my priorities.
- Melik Yuksel
Kids pick up tech so quick don't they. My 3 1/2 year old daughter is a master off all the remotes etc already
- Michael McGimpsey
from twhirl
Easy enough a caveman could do it. Been very pleased with Windows 7 so far today. Haven't had a single crash. Just had to install some 3rd party drivers over the default ones. That and Chrome didn't work well, but no big deal.
- Dean Clark
Simple enough - 25 min install + 15 more for MS Office. Faster, and smoother than Vista. Big step forward for MS.
- Bankwatch
Why are you exposing him to Windows? So many studies have shown that happy computers make happy kids and happy computers need Mac!
- Louis Gray
Do not listen to Louis. *Hissss* The Steve-Side has pulled him in. LOL Just teasing Louis. :)
- Robert Miller
What's great is that Windows 7 runs on older PCs too, and quite well. You don't need loads of disk or memory for it to run.
- Paul Shadwell
Louis: Milan will be brought up as an OS agnostic, just like his older brother Patrick. When he's old enough he will decide which one is better. Patrick is the world's #1 Apple fan because he was exposed to both. :-)
- Robert Scoble
My 30 month old son says "Apple" whenever he wants to play on a computer, regardless of the OS. I think the big Apple logo is something he now associates with the computer (along with Youtube 'Fire Truck House' videos. "Fire Truck-Doors Open" is his new favorite saying)
- Andrew Leyden
Robert: Ask Patrick to give us his opinion on 7 then, please?
- Roberto Bonini
Patrick is very solidly in Apple's camp. He's a little religious about his OS choice at the moment so getting him to see any value in something Microsoft does is going to be very difficult.
- Robert Scoble
Patrick should be using GNU/Linux. When you're young is when ideals like freedom should rule. Robert, you need to sit him down and have him watch 5 hours of Stallman videos until he screams "proprietary is evil".
- Gregg H.
Greggish: sorry, Patrick is one of those "Steve Jobs is king" types. Not much I can do about it. I just hope it passes soon.
- Robert Scoble
2. RT smart people's stuff but add onto it with a good comment.
- Robert Scoble
3. If you have something smart to say, say it to someone directly like "Hey @techcrunch you should check out the new Palm Pre."
- Robert Scoble
I now await the inevitable flood of "RTs" of this message ;-)
- Warren
4. Send wine or other bribes to people who make lots of noise.
- Robert Scoble
Sounds like someone's running low on wine :)
- Eric Florenzano
5. If you are friends with a real celebrity bring them around at blogger/twitter parties. Make sure you get them to follow you and remember your name. All good twitterers have iPhones or other phones that they can tweet from.
- Robert Scoble
6. Put your twitter and friendfeed addresses on your business cards.
- Robert Scoble
7. Talk shit about Eric Florenzano. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Ok, well that's *someone's* blog done for tomorrow, then! :)
- WorldofHiglet
8. Follow people back if they add value. 1938media has added 1,000 new followers since he started following everyone back.
- Robert Scoble
What kind of wine goes with bribe? Did you ask GaryVee while in Vegas?
- Dave Cadoff
9. Talk shit about that Scoble dude. Yeah, me. Sometimes it gets a link and a follow. Especially if you teach me something while you are calling me an idiot.
- Robert Scoble
LOL *hands Robert a bottle of wine* Please add the "don't pout or make a twitter fuss when you notice someone drops you. Insecurity isn't a attraction"
- Sprite
10. Be interesting. Craig Newmark got hundreds of follows in first evening (I was the first to follow him) after I tweeted about him. Why? Because he was interesting already.
- Robert Scoble
Remember it's not about the followers - it's about the relationships. Your purpose of having many followers should be so you can build relationships with as many of them as possible.
- Jesse Stay
11. Do something sensational like tatoo your twitter address onto your face.
- Robert Scoble
BTW, (real-life) relationships then bring more followers
- Jesse Stay
Wine? Bribe? Anything will get noticed. Better yet, put a custom label on it and include your Twitter address on it.
- Robert Scoble
Liked for the 'talk shit about Scoble'. Also, Scoble, do you accept Mead?
- Will Higgins™
12. Hang out with Jesse Stay. Better yet, bring him to Twitter's headquarters for an interview (that's what I did and it worked).
- Robert Scoble
I've tried to do everything on this list, but the tattoo isn't going to work. I've already branded my twitter address onto several steers.
- Mike Nayyar
13. Stalk Guy Kawasaki until he calls the cops on you or follows you.
- Robert Scoble
14. Get naked. Take pictures. Include your Twitter address.
- Robert Scoble
er - we've seen most of your body, Robert, so where's *your* tatoo?
- WorldofHiglet
Jesse: that's what you think. Ask your real friends and they will probably tell you otherwise. :-)
- Robert Scoble
22. get on Leo Laporte's show and have him order his listeners to follow you. He did this last Sunday to my son and you should have seen the followers roll in. That dude has POWER!!!
- Robert Scoble
Robert, I asked them and they said you're the man
- Jesse Stay
23. Get @garyvee to take you wine tasting. Tweet it.
- Robert Scoble
naked pictures drunk sex and dying. got it. Oh, also, be Barack Obama. ANything else?
- Erin @queenofspain
25. Get Chris Brogan to say you are smart.
- Robert Scoble
Be hot and make sure your avatar shows it
- Chris Saad
WTF how pathetic do u have to be tohave this desire to be followed.Ppl follow u cuz they find u interesting & if not they will dump u period.Being a Personal Ball washer is just lame to get to have followers.be sure to hold ur ground.
- Baba
26. Get into an argument with @techcrunch.
- Robert Scoble
I've mentioned my Twitter account on The Tech Guy but I think my last name throws people. :D
- MarkCarras
29. Claim you are above this stupid game.
- Robert Scoble
Quit Twitter, come back after 2 months
- Jesse Stay
All bloggers are wrong at least every few posts. Especially me! :D
- MarkCarras
30. Follow more interesting people. That's why I've said for a year now it's most important who you follow, not who is following you. What I really was trying to say there is if you want better followers you've got to follow better people.
- Robert Scoble
lol Jesse. Twitter? What's that? I thought I was learning how to sell a shamwow
- Erin @queenofspain
What kind of wine are we talking here?
- Chris Poirier
Mark, you bet, but we are all type-A personalities. We hate to be told we're wrong and will defend it to our dying day. :)
- Jesse Stay
31: Give away something. Hold a contest.
- Robert Scoble
Launch a great Twitter service and stick your twitter name in the footer
- Chris Saad
32. Invite Louis Gray over for dinner. Make sure he brings his twins. Take pictures. 1000 extra points if you bring shirts for the twins with your Twitter address on them.
- Robert Scoble
34. Chris Saad is right. Speaking of Chris, if you party with him in Amsterdam you'll get more followers. Oh, and if you are the guy who wrote http://www.twittervision.com you'll get more followers.
- Robert Scoble
Take a pic down a girls shirt and post it on FF.
- David
Not 'Chris Saad' robert - @ChrisSaad :D
- Chris Saad
Get in with the Mommy Bloggers and #GNO Tweeps
- Jesse Stay
Good call Jesse, I was going to say piss off the mommybloggers , but getting in with them works too...lol
- Erin @queenofspain
I've had 2 new FriendFeed followers just from this thread.
- Jesse Stay
Follow Garry Vee (don't ask me to spell his full name out at this time of night, please?) what kind of wine goes with Twittering. *lol* Well, Gary Vee is THE wine expert on Twitter. :P
- Mol, Time Warping
Erin, it is my goal to be King of the Mommy bloggers
- Jesse Stay
Follow just 1 online multi-level marketer and you'll has a ton start following you
- Paul Povolni
I buy dinner for anyone who comes to my area and contacts me through Twitter...and is following me. :D
- MarkCarras
I find that not following people back increases the rate at which I gain followers
- Simon T Small
Simon: being Robert Scoble is pretty hard. You've gotta keep coming up with new ways to find followers. It's easier to call him an asshole on twitter. Even better, call him, TechCrunch, 1938media, JasonCalacanis, Guy Kawasaki, and a few other people assholes.
- Robert Scoble
37. Jeremiah Owyang found this one: stop Twittering.
- Robert Scoble
I'm amazed I don't get called an asshole more often. I think this should be my New Years Resolution. :D
- MarkCarras
38. Follow someone, then when they don't follow you back, call them out on it and say they are lame.
- Robert Scoble
39. Come up with a new Twitter game. Get it retweeted by Chris Brogan.
- Robert Scoble
Make a real funny stream on Friendfeed, but better yet put it on your blog so SEO really gathers people to it and put your Friendfeed/Twitter handles right in the post
- Ian D. Nock
40. Pay Magpie to spam everyone with your Twitter address.
- Robert Scoble
Oh don't tell people to talk shit about you. It's kinda sad to see people talking crap about you, then when you're some place they are, they turn all fanboy.
- Anika
Robert: wait, not change in plans, I don't hate those people, damn it!
- Simon T Small
No one gets to be King of the mommybloggers until I deem it so dammit
- Erin @queenofspain
42. Hang out with @newmediajim at the Inauguration.
- Robert Scoble
43. Hang out with Hillary Clinton in Davos (my dream).
- Robert Scoble
Erin, but I thought you were the Queen of Spain
- Jesse Stay
44. Come up with a new set of rules for Twitter behavior.
- Robert Scoble
Oh boy, Mr. Scoble. I hope you are not Tweeting while getting drunk and having sex... Poor Mommy and son... Some things need to stay sacred. Do you really want the world at large to know what you are doing at all times? Quit goofing and send us more tech info we enjoy. Great videos from CES by the way. I even got my partner to come and watch some of them. Thanks for the good stuff!
- Colleen
45. Get more followers on Facebook then get them all to join you on Twitter.
- Robert Scoble
46. Be @god. Even better. Be @god and hand out beta invites to something cool coming soon.
- Robert Scoble
Colleen: I didn't say I use all these ideas. But I've seen them work on other people. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Give a talk at a geek event and make sure you give out your Twitter name for feedback
- Chris Saad
47. Twitter the birth of your new baby (high risk, if you aren't there mentally during contractions you might see your iPhone thrown across the room).
- Robert Scoble
Pay @MrTweet to recommend you to everyone
- Chris Saad
48. Tweet exclusive Apple news before anyone else does.
- Robert Scoble
49. Be the first to retweet a big earthquake tweet.
- Robert Scoble
51. Follow everyone then unfollow as soon as you get a follow - follow that?
- Mona Nomura
Chris: Influence is gold, like it, am tuned
- Simon T Small
This post alone lets me see the value of FriendFeed over Twitter for conversations. Glad the list above isn't documentation of your personal twitter conquest, but a record of some of the looneyness of Twitter follower greediness
- Paul Povolni
52. Move to SF and go to every. single. Tweet-up! YAY HOW FUN!
- Mona Nomura
Scott: I don't know that this list helped me that much. But, how about a list of things that will get rid of followers? I bet that one would work better.
- Robert Scoble
53. Set text alerts for Brightkite and follow all the huge Tweeter's comings and goings - show up and SUBTLY introduce yourself so you'll be name dropped. Keyword = SUBTLY
- Mona Nomura
54. Go to every single conference and shamelessly pass out your Twitter in lieu of email!
- Mona Nomura
Streak at the Supebowl with your twitter name on your front and back(side)
- Simon T Small
Jesse: that only used to work. There are no defaults on friendfeed anymore. In fact, if you don't have any friends it won't recommend anyone to you.
- Robert Scoble
Name drop as much as you can and do whatever it takes to get written up on ValleyWag (wow, I've learned a lot in six months!)
- Mona Nomura
Get Robert Scoble to tweet that he can't believe what's going on at your birthday party even though it was a tame house party with friends
- Chris Saad
Tell people to NOT follow you. I mean it. Don't.
- Andrew Smith
Post a bajillion pictures of your kids, pets, and more kids.
- Mona Nomura
Make sure you participate in every. single. Robert post and name drop him as much as possible. ;)
- Mona Nomura
Mona, great one - Kids, Dogs, and Kittenz - Bacon, too
- Jesse Stay
@Dieter if a post was sponsored by anyone scoble would let u know - trust me
- Chris Saad
Go to every. single. event and take + post as many. pictures. as you can w/ the "famous" people and PING.FM THOSE PICTURES!
- Mona Nomura
Here's a novel idea - Have something interesting to say and focus on producing value instead of your follower count :)
- Chris Saad
Mona, Facebook and Flickr tag them as well
- Jesse Stay
Always respond to people with an "@" ie: @scobelizer WOW this thread RULES - since you never know what Google's indexing!
- Mona Nomura
Dieter: Huh? If anything this post would be sponsored by Seagate. You can follow them at http://friendfeed.com/seagate (Seagate sponsors my video show, not my friendfeed account).
- Robert Scoble
Mona: 'post famous pictures' Love it. Works a charm on facebook.
- Simon T Small
i have a new one: use Browser bugs to greet your blogvisitors with their twittername http://is.gd/eMdF @andreasklinger
- Andreas Klinger
Chris: having something interesting to say? No, that couldn't work, could it? I'd rather talk about my followers. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Retweet this thread (no, that's not a request, it's an idea)
- Jesse Stay
Chris Saad: yer talkin crazy with that last one. Focus on content? Insanity.
- Scott Kingery
55: Dieter reminded me of one more: talk about products that already have Twitter accounts. When I talked about HR Block they followed me. So did Ford. So did Zappos.
- Robert Scoble
56. Don't auto-DM followers just follow them back or RT their next tweet
- Damian Holmes
Find a unique thing that you can help another Twitter user on - the bigger the user, the better. Fix their problem.
- Jesse Stay
So did @HeavyAsHell Oh wait, that's my site. :D
- MarkCarras
57. post a comment to a robert scoble FF feed
- Damian Holmes
Luke: T-shirts are so common. How about shoes? Jeans? Underwear? Don Box used to have his company logo on underwear. Called them "Boxer shorts." I still remember those, even though I've forgotten all the lame Tshirts I've ever gotten.
- Robert Scoble
Only a slut is going to be able to advertise well with branded underwear
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
Compete for the most followers on Twitter - didn't Leo and Calacanis do that at one time? (or am I getting the contenders wrong?)
- Jesse Stay
58. write your twitter name on your eyelids then go to a tweetup or large tech conference
- Damian Holmes
MiniMage: not true. Don Box is no slut. He now runs a team at Microsoft.
- Robert Scoble
Be an early adopter - be one of the first, get in early, and build a follow base early
- Jesse Stay
Another one? Take pictures of Twitter users and follow them. They almost always follow back.
- Robert Scoble
I aint never heard of Don Box, and that means I didn't see that underwear! ;). No, seriously, I concede, but I had to make a retort.
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
I think a good way to make more friends is to live an interesting life. Life is a journey. You meet people just around every corner. Twitter happens to be one of them.
- Helge V. Keitel
Build up and help out a non-A list, but up-and-coming A or B list Twitter user or blogger. They will be more appreciative (it's those people that like the shirts and swag).
- Jesse Stay
Tweet something like this: "I'm looking for funny people to follow, do you know any?"
- Robert Scoble
Get @gapingvoid to use your twitter address in one of his cartoons (he designed my business cards and you would be amazed how well that works).
- Robert Scoble
@Mona use a hot suggestive silhouette as your avatar - that alwasy helps too
- Chris Saad
Take Louis Gray to a Vodka bar. You might not get any followers, but you will have a good time and he doesn't drink so you'll have a safe drive home, too!
- Robert Scoble
follow A, B, C, D, E, F, X and Z listers
- Damian Holmes
Create a custom T-shirt with "I Love Your Stream" (mine) on front(or your own words) and your Twitter name on back. I did it with @crypticfragment at zazzle.com. Still waiting for it. I didn't put twitter name on back though, should have, but not trying to gain HUGE followers, just the ones that would like to hear about furniture,interior design and eco home stuff! I put: twitter:FTW, on the back.
- Leslie Carothers
Robert, not to mention get on the front of Valleywag
- Jesse Stay
I keep hiding this but it doesn't stay hidden. :(
- Mona Nomura
Follow the Top 500 in your City then Top 500 in your Country that's at least 500 follow backs
- Damian Holmes
Jesse: I find that I get a lot of followers by keeping the A list on the A list. Who wants to deal with those assholes if they fall onto the B list?
- Robert Scoble
I'm with @garyvee & how he encourages us to *execute the best YOU* - don't try to be anyone else but the *best* you... your passionate self. Peeps who resonate with you will follow. And for sure add value, retweet good resources, build peeps up, thank those who comment on your blog & RT you.
- Mari Smith
58. Post to a list to get people to follow you. such as the one explaining how to get people to follow you...
- Sheraz Mahmood
Name drop Hollywood celebrities even if you don't know them.
- Mona Nomura
By the way, I'm following everyone who has participated on this so far. Why? Because only geeks would be online on a Saturday night and I want to follow all the geeks. So, everyone here has at least one follower on friendfeed.
- Robert Scoble
write a dramatic post about a family from Romania with a child with down syndrome and ask people to donate money.
- Simon T Small
Robert: You'll need to unfollow me, its 6pm Sunday here in Aussieland, so I'm not a commited geek sorry
- Simon T Small
Robert: Gotta do something while Windows 7 downloads :)
- Scott Kingery
Haha!! So busted - very good point re your last comment, Robert. Thank goodness for fab understanding spouses is all I say. hehe
- Mari Smith
60. Get on FriendFeed and Twitter super early and become de facto popular. And yes, #32 is a must.
- Louis Gray
Robert: were not all in Silicon Valley - its 16:30 in China - (awaiting the flames or unfollows - which is worst?)
- Damian Holmes
... and always listen to Scoble! Ha-ha. Robert, we admire you!
- Alan Kodzasov
Another tip: Don't live in Australia nearly NOBODY here is on Twitter
- Simon T Small
Compliment the crap out of "A-listers" and always laugh at all of their jokes. Make sure to add at least seven exclamation points. ie:"LOL!!!!!!!!!!" to stand out from the crowd.
- Mona Nomura
Note: above only works if you participate in every. single. one of their posts on both Twitter and FriendFeed!
- Mona Nomura
Robert: 5:30 pm in Tokyo. I'm pretty much just getting going for the day. :-)
- Ken Brady
Say something that makes a 200 + comment thread ;)
- videopixil
When you send bribes, make sure to research. ie: LG doesn't drink but Robert likes wine. Subtly ask for preferences so they'll get something they actually _like_ <--KEY.
- Mona Nomura
Use Tweetdeck and apply filters to see subjects you are expert in. You'll notice lots of people look for advice in certain fields so you can reply and show your expertise. I notice those people you help are happy and more likely to follow you even if you don't follow them.
- Luca Filigheddu
from fftogo
Not to forget: You need to stress that Mac and iPhone are cool and superior.
- Ryo / Fuck Facebook
@videopixil Of course, that applies to most things Scoble says.
- Ken Brady
@tkpleslie says," Ask people like @scobleizer sincere question about whether Nokia's new phone works for people, like me, that wear hearing aids when's he's in Japan in middle of your night at the actual Nokia conference where phone is being intro'd for first time. He did respond,nicely,but did not follow so I guess it doesn't work too well.
- Leslie Carothers
Send Mona lego art wrapped in bacon. Oh wait, that'll get you friendfeed follows.
- Yuvi
This was before I really understood as @marismith says, that true value in twitter for me is having followers and following those people with intersecting paths because, like in real life, that's how interesting real conversations have a chance to develop into fuller, deeper, more lasting relationships.
- Leslie Carothers
Robert, It's Sunday Morning in Loviisa, Finland ;)
- Helge V. Keitel
Leslie: I did follow you here on friendfeed. I still haven't been able to find out if it works well for hearing impaired. I'm sure it does, though. The speaker phone on that device is pretty darn good.
- Robert Scoble
Speak in SAT verbiage at all times to make yourselves sound smarter.
- Mona Nomura
Never admit: ay kin knot reed end rite... :(
- Mona Nomura
This is a great list Robert, I love making new friends. All those awful things people are saying about you must be wrong - aren't they? -]
- Chris Loft
Post YouTube clips of classical music to make yourself seem more cultured.
- Mona Nomura
Share everythign popular on digg because if it's on digg, it MUST be cool.
- Mona Nomura
stop following people who post about following and follow people who don't try...
- Ryan
mention yourself on Scobles friendfeed (@mattrendo)
- Matt Rendo
Keep up with memes since everyone wants to hear what's been repeated on the web a trillion times without contributing a new opinion. ie: CES looks cool.
- Mona Nomura
All great points. I've always hated requests for follows. I'm only attempting something like it for charity. In that instance, those who do the same should be very clear about WHY they want followers in the first place. Otherwise it looks like you're just in it for yourself.
- Brandon Mendelson
Chris Loft: everything said about me is absolutely true! :-)
- Robert Scoble
So it's true that you have huge... giant... socks?
- Chris Saad
Thanks for the follow here on FriendFeed, Robert. I know this is where you interact. But,because home base for me is Twitter, I never saw your follow here until I went to comment on this thread! It's too much for me to constantly go back and forth and also keep up with work, life,friends and family.How do you guys do it? Thanks, tho, Robert,for letting me know. I learn from you ALL the time.
- Leslie Carothers
I really am not obsessed with more followers. Sure I appreciated them as much as the next person. It is not a popularity contest for my use case. Hence, I will never be a "Top 100" person on Twitter. ;)
- Rodney Rumford
If it's on the Internet, it is ALWAYS true, Robert. ;)
- Mona Nomura
Try to explain yourself out of being a geek when you really are
- Jesse Stay
I am indeed a failure, all the more reason to follow me... and that BACON Mona N. mentioned
- Matt Rendo
Get Robert Scoble to Foreward/Afterword your book for you
- Jesse Stay
@Jesse I'm incapable of explaining myself out of being a geek. Better to embrace it.
- Ken Brady
61: Add on to a Robert Scoble numbered list with an incrementally interesting item.
- Steve Garfield
back up your success with nothing more than 140 characters
- Sheraz Mahmood
I've noticed that people who start a controversy, especially with a high profile person, get an immediate boost in followers. You'd think it would backfire but it seems to have the opposite effect. Maybe it's the trainwreck factor? People curious what on earth will be said next?
- Liz
Apparently posting on Scoble's Friendfeed works... 6 followers in the last few minutes.
- Matt Rendo
Woah. 278+ comments. Impressive! This is definitely one that will stick on FFholic for a while.
- Phil G
Wondering is anybody will read all these comments. I do believe if twitter doesn't get it together, that a large group will flock out to another destination. ala: Poof!
- Dave
Hey @scobleizer, your post would have been more appropriate on a blog.
- Klaus Alexander Seistrup
Post photos of cute puppies on FriendFeed.
- Amit Morson
To get followers, jump into a Tweetchat "room", get into the convo, follow folks then tell them in the chat room that you are following. For the "Happy09" chat, there were tons of people in there. Better yet, start your own chat/chat meme!
- Jesse P. Luna
@ reply like crazy to let the person know you followed them ie: @Scobleizer HI I FOLLOWED YOU FOLLOW ME BACK repeat until FailWhale/FailRobot shows up.
- Mona Nomura
Well, that's starting to work . . . anyone else getting lots of new friends? . . . and I didn't have to insult anybody. I think I might have to post one of my classical video clips for Mona http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- Chris Loft
Leslie, the N series work v well with the hearing impaired, but the iPhone works even better from my experience FTW!
- Sally Church
One thing that annoys me: people who discuss their follower numbers on twitter. Its just not interesting! I just subscribed to someone and unsubscribed the next day as 4 tweets were about passing 10000 - I'm very glad for you but it is just noise in my feed. Now I understand the feeling - I was amazed the day 100 people followed me (it is all relative :) ) - but it is not necessary to tweet about it.
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
I was going to send you some Swiss wine Robert, but I was told it doesn't travel well, so drank it myself. Just so you know, it was good :-)
- Paul Shadwell
I'm paling up with several here, in spite of what Mr. Scoble says about Saturday night geeks. -Mr. Geek ;-P
- Eddie Soto
Participate in a Robert Scoble's friendfeed conversation on Saturday night, have him follow you, post the screenshot of him following you
- Bertrand Doux
On the subject of more followers, arrrrrgh! *runs screaming from room.... *
- Sally Church
Tweet about Windows 7(or something equally as interesting), which I'll be doing a lot of in the coming days, It's installing as I type this!
- Kevin Lloyd
Tweet, but don't tweet too much because people apparently don't want to hear from you (or is it just me! ;)) THAT much! :)
- Christopher Kusek
Paul, what's that about swiss wine not travelling so well? It travels beautifully (but you need to get the good ones). It is so hard to find outside Switzerland because the swiss tend to drink all of it.
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
Liz, I thought that was really funny cos it's Sunday evening here. I'm not some z-list geek sitting here wasting my time on a Saturday night. -[
- Chris Loft
point 4 above is shameless self-plug :) but entertaining :)))
- A.T.
64. Comment on a Robert Scoble list at 2:21 AM in bed becausse you could not sleep
- Tyler (Chacha)
65. Plan to write a blog post on thisentry in the morning
- Tyler (Chacha)
66. Fail at placing a space between in this and entry on a scoble list ( iPod recognizes Scoble as a word and auto completed it)
- Tyler (Chacha)
get stuck on a bus in death valley in the middle of the night with robert scoble.
- Christine Lu
Follow an obscure norwegian and get incoherent conversations about whales, blåbærsyltetøy, and the semantic web;) (which may make people curious.. or unfollow you actually..)
- Thomas Bøhm
Get up at 6 am on Sundays if living in Europe because otherwise you miss Robert Scoble's craziest moments and most interesting threads = people *damn* I should have never slept in!
- Gaby K. Slezák
A real one: Upload a sexy picture on your profile or your twitter bg !!
- İbrahim Uzun [ j ]
Claim that Scoble and Techcrunch are simply manufactured entities by a mysterious corporate power using Coke vs. Pepsi tactics to polarize the masses in an effort to conquer the world.
- Bob Starr
RT @scobleizer Robert this is good advice, except I don't see any reference to bodacious tat-tas. ;)
- John Craft
RT @scobleizer Robert wow, your post generated so many comments, is this the most number of comments from a single tweet in Twitter history? Can anyone confirm?
- Alvin
Sorry not Twitter, this is from FriendFeed :)
- Alvin
67. write about stuff you are enthusiastic about and that's only covered by a handful of people yet (like virtual worlds, metaverse) and shamelessly reveal that you are enthusiastic about that in one of the most commented on @scobleizer threads ;-)
- Gaby K. Slezák
stop reading half way but say it was awesome anyway
- Stephen Breen
You forgot about having a whole lot of time on your hands!
- John D Reasor
I knew I should have tweeted from the back of that police van on the stroke of new year's eve, watching the fireworks. And walking away. Walking. With a big grin on my face. We'z not dus photoz. Doh.
- Chris Loft
Write an "unofficial biography of Robert Scoble" and have it published? ;)
- Tyson Key
“Scoble's law of unfollows: for everyone who you get on Twitter that says they will unfollow you will get 87 new followers.” http://tinyurl.com/9oahwc
- Tapio Kulmala
Talk about the versatility of bacon - BACON - crisp, tasty BACON
- BEX
Just noticed this is a very dude-heavy thread (not all but mainly) and that I mainly subscribe to guys on FriendFeed. But on Twitter I have about 60/40 men/women Following mix, I think. It was the comments about ta-tas and sexy profile photos that made me realize the difference.
- Liz
Lock Robert Scoble, Mona N, Jesse Stay, Louis Gray, Jason Calacanis and Techcrunch in a room. Only release them when they've retweeted every single of your tweets and told all their followers to follow you!
- Nicholas James
nope its nun of the above; .they are just hacking into your FF account;If you really want more followers on Twitter and friendfeed this is what you do, its...aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah.they got me.
- tomartomartini
Yep .. I think this has reached the most active discussion .. ever (It past Dave Winer's post which is most discussed in past 30 days)
- Tyler (Chacha)
Come on people! We need to reach 500 comments!
- Tyler (Chacha)
Tweet unto you as you would like to be tweeted.
- iamkhayyam
Create a Robert Scoble fan blog and title it Mr. Awesome. :)
- Bill Romanos
69. start a list and slowly move out of it as other members of the community move in to pick it up (there is no 68) - you are now running things without even being there.
- Valeria Maltoni
Be a more interesting what Robert? :p oh and maybe follow the fastest top ten commenters here.
- mrsha
I am reading this in friendfeed on my iPhone and immediately regretting my decision to tap "read more..." I made it through the first 12 then began skimming and my thumb began sobbing...
- John Reynolds
I don't remember any friendfeed item getting more than 300 comments. I think this is now the new high water mark. Wow!
- Robert Scoble
Or: Post a “If you want more followers on Twitter and friendfeed here's what to do:” tweet :-)
- Marco Massarotto
Not being in this comment stream is so embarrassing. Wait, so is BEING in this comment stream!
- Tom Guarriello
i wonder if you did it all wrong, would you really get no followers...
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
Joelle: if you did it all wrong you would still get followers but they just would be all spammers.
- Robert Scoble
Robert - define spam... Is this post spam?
- Brian Roy
Comment on the longest thread in Friendfeed history.
- Mike Lewis
it seems pretty simple: post interesting things, interact thoughtfully, and be patient
- Kelly W.
70. When all else fails, make interesting crap up about Robert, Gary, Brogan, etc..
- Todd Jordan
It isn't how many follow you... it is the quality of those you follow. But... that makes it hard to keep score and determine who is "winning".
- Brian Roy
patient? I want 1000 followers and I want them now! ;) (actually, I am with Kelly on this one)
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
You know... Chris Brogan liked a post of mine and retweeted it letting everyone know... it ended up bringing me about 800 new visitors in the span of 2 hours. There's definitely something to be said about being seen with the right people. :)
- Steven Sanders
Hey Robert, say something positive about each of us today? Really be a boost.
- Todd Jordan
AVG works just fine for me under Windows 7!
- Dave Oliver
Todd: you all are beautiful. And smart. That's why I am following everyone on this thread.
- Robert Scoble
It's simple, but just do two things (in order): 1. Create good content. 2. Market that content in an intelligent, non-spammy way.
- Daniel Miessler
Daniel: marketing part is what we're really talking about here. How to/who to/when to/where to/what to market.
- Todd Jordan
That said: Talk about Twitter and FriendFeed all day every day. Don't forget to include: "I AM A SOCIAL MEDIA EXPERT" in all of your profiles.
- Mona Nomura
Make special badges that scream your self proclaimed title. You know, kind of like flair? Or girl/boy scouts?
- Mona Nomura
@Mona - heck yeah, huge % of new followers claim to be soc media experts.
- Todd Jordan
Todd- FAIL. You forgot Rule #163. NAME DROP. @scobelizer (I'm just namedropping but really addressing Mona... err @monaaa)
- Mona Nomura
Not call anyone out but I think it should be: " I AM A SOCIAL MEDIA SLUT!1!" ;-P
- Mathew A. Koeneker
Mathew - CRAP you stole my thunder... I'm working on a blog post entitled "How to know if you are a social media slut"... thanks!
- Brian Roy
Brian - I hope that comes after: "10,000 Ways to Effectively use Twitter for Business"
- Mona Nomura
I wish FF would timestamp comments. It'd be interesting to know how this conversation flowed...or jumped around.
- Liz
Mona - pretty sure those two are the same post... No?
- Brian Roy
Liz: Just hang out over the little convo balloon to the left of the comments. It shows you how long ago the comment was left. :-)
- Lisa L. Seifert
Be serious at ALL times since analyzing Social Networks with charts and graphs is THE FUTURE!
- Mona Nomura
Announce your twitter address after saying the pledge of allegiance over the school intercom system.
- David Rose
I drunk tweet all the time, and it doesn't help. People just email you AA invitations.
- Alex Wilhelm (FF BLOWS)
Since you are all here... I was wondering. Have you seen my car keys?
- Brian Roy
Another would be to make a Bacon Fan Club Room.
- Nicholas James
Will find out soon if becoming a social media diva pin-up acquires more followers :)
- Nicola Quinn
PLAY with your followers and build a community of FANS. Start a meme, host a trivia session (@linnetwoods), do fun thematic Blip.fm sets (@jesseluna, @Dave_Malby), start a fun-spirited smackdown battle with another Twitterer (@Dana_Wilhoit and @SeanAMcAlister). UStream and play Wii while you're lightly toasted with a fun friend (@queenofspain)
- Jesse P. Luna
Start your own threads using all and only Robert's suggestions. Originality means nothing, it's all about being a Robert clone!
- Mona Nomura
Be imperfect, fragile, human - someone everyone can relate to.
- Tomi Itkonen
Participate in memes where you can post old pictures of yourself from 70s, 80s or 90s.
- Larry Kless
@Scobleizer so far I tweet from party, wc, roadtrip, first minutes of the new year, wc again, meeting, boring meeting, boring presentation, wedding, engagement, hospital... I think I am on good track !!!
- Alemsah Ozturk
Talk like you are deluded into thinking the iPhone and Apple computers are superior machines.
- Mark Stahler
Help Robert getting 400 comments or any other all time high on friendfeed!
- Gaby K. Slezák
Here's the 401st for good measure! I kinda use Twitter and FF to keep up with new, and record ideas and thoughts for myself, but if some people out there find a common ground with me, that's very cool! I think too much is placed on these online friend / follower counts overall tho... BTW, this comment is probably on the "How NOT to get more followers on Twitter or FF" list. :) Keep feeding me the knowledge Scobs!
- AdPanda
Spell @Scobleizer correctly when trying to drop a name ... lol.
- Robert Couture
Bump .... @charlieanzman. I can't believe this thread!
- Charlie Anzman
Charlie - the sheer #s of comments or the fact that this is such a popular topic?
- Susan Beebe
How can you possibly read all of this and get anything done? This is an example of FF overkill.
- Scott Maentz
@Susan folks are now commenting for the fun of it. :)
- Todd Jordan
Wow! I remember when this began as three items, then Scoble got all giddy and inspired and started this hilarious chain of absurdity. Well done Mr. @Scobleizer
- Paul Povolni
Make sure to be a hater and nit-pick on every. little. thing. someone does online!
- Mona Nomura
Take everything someone says as a personal attack and rant!
- Mona Nomura
Complain about every. little. thing.
- Mona Nomura
Change your display name everyday aNd mAkE sUrE tO tYpE LiKe DiS
- Mona Nomura
Make sure to kiss a whole buncha *ss and name drop, name drop, name drop!
- Mona Nomura
every 3rd comment should be "noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooopooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooopoopoooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooppooooooooooooo oooo" wow... It is hard to enter that many o's on an iPhone. EDIT -> I put in spaces - apparently I annoyed Brandon...
- Brian Roy
@Brian: Please edit your post so it doesn't break everyone's feed. I'd like to not hide this item. Thanks.
- AJ Kohn
I think that I made a comment on this post but I can't find it. And Mona, you are cracking me up!!
- BEX
I wonder if there is a limit to how many comments can be added to a post on FF
- Susan Beebe
The funniest part about all this is that I've gotten a *ton* of followers for posting on this thread. Weird! I think once my programming-related FF activity resumes people will drop from my feed like flies :)
- Eric Florenzano
Too bad I can't tweet the link (yet) -- of this 400+ comment -- I don't know how to call this. Not a Tweetversation by any means. A FFversation? Anyone come out with any sensible terms?
- David Feng
I have some ideas, none of which are usable.
- WorldofHiglet
subscribe to Friendfeeds for Twitter Celebs and read their Twitter hints... Start with Scoble..
- TechMama Beth Blecherman
I see "423 more comments". That's the most I have ever seen so far in FF!
- Winston Teo
TechMama: that will work very well. Of course then you'll only be fed shallow news. The real good stuff is on the K list. They aren't on the bottom, so they have a few followers, but they really don't give a shit so they are very real and teach you stuff. Unfortunately they usually don't stay on the K list very long. They either get moved up pretty fast or they get put in rehab for social media addiction.
- Robert Scoble
What was this thread about? I forgot, AGAIN!
- Jim Bednarz
Jim: me too, it's taken on a life of its own. Oh, yeah, it was about how to make money with friendfeed. Heheheh. Yeah, right!
- Robert Scoble
Quick! Scoble's about to do a 'How to make money on friendfeed' post now. Looking for the hattrick ;~)
- Ed Shahzade /NextInstinct
Ed: heheh. how to make money in friendfeed? Get a million followers. The money will come. Or maybe not. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Robert: I guess you could charge for seminars on how to get a million followers ;D
- Seth Greenblatt
Robert - Think you broke your own record with this one. 255 Likes and 437 comments ?! Guess nobody's embracing Friendfeed tonight :)
- Charlie Anzman
Nobody's gonna read this, but I can't help observing that "I've got 10000 followers" is kinda like saying "I have 1000 books on my bookshelf", as if the number, not the content, is the important thing.
- Mr. Gunn
Charlie .. his last one has 300 comments and over 300 likes I believe ... But this thread is 70 people away from reaching every single person on Friendfeed. (Given the 500 like rule)
- Tyler (Chacha)
ChaCha - Ya gotta love it. Now when he reaches everyone on the Internet ... :)
- Charlie Anzman
Susan - Wasn't ignoring you ... just got lost in the middle of this ScobleChaChaMeMeWhateverItIs ... night all :)
- Charlie Anzman
Most importantly, get followed by @scobleizer hope he retweets, likes and/or comments on your posts.
- Christian Anderson
Christian: that's fair. I keep hoping you retweet, like, or comment on mine! :-)
- Robert Scoble
Yikes, I see there are 442 "collapsed" comments that follow Robert Scoble's teaser! (I won't dare to "expand" them - it would take ages to read them all.) The subject clearly preys on people's minds... Scoble has a knack for hitting the right button!
- Yule Heibel
I wonder if Mobile Safari would have such an implosion that the iPhone would shatter in my hands, if I tried to expand that thread.
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
doing video works pretty well too :)
- Loic Le Meur
great, robert, this is *really* pushing the limit :)
- Alberto D'Ottavi
tweet about the size of Robert's ..... =X
- Rachael Depp
whoa comment frenzy! @FriendFeed can you please build a Comment Quality filter before I attempt to make sense of all this user generated erm "content"? Now there's a question: how do we measure Comment Quality?
- Bob Hitching
I was lucky enough to arrive at his 3rd or 4th point... it was amazing to see it happen on the fly, as I and other people jumped in. It was like a chat room or IM chat.
- Simon T Small
Oh, and by commenting a couple of times on this post, I got 36 new twitter followers and about 6 new friend feed followers in 12 hours
- Simon T Small
omg.. why isn´t there a comment link on the bottom as well ? Especially useful on the iphone. I forgot the witty remark that would ensure me thousands of followers by the time I finger-scrolled to the top and to the bottom again on this insanely long thread. Oh, well, at least my comments are seen sometimes.. hello ?
- Thomas Bøhm
I do like how #1: Stop your bloody begging and whining for followers is still showing though. :-P
- Mathew A. Koeneker
Re: 18., Tweet from the great beyond. INSANE follow numbers then. ;-p
- mtlb
This is certainly quite interesting thread. I wonder how many Likes this will get. :D
- Daniel Schildt
This thread has become a meme unto itself. As I once said, Robert Scoble plays social media like a virtuoso musician. FTW
- Sheldon Steiger
from twhirl
The Canon. I'd have so much more fun with a zippy camera than a Big Mac.
- Mike Neumann
Probably the computer. I'm happy with the first gen 5D I'm about to buy and as awesome as the camera is, the MBP doesn't need another $5K in lenses.
- Derrick
Neither, you need at least twice that for glass & equipment to get the "rig" you should want for a Canon MKII - sorry, 3K isn't enough for that toy; and spending 3K on disposable technology (Mac equipment) isn't a wise investment.
- Enrique Gutierrez
Neither, I'd use it to buy food for a year.
- Will Higgins™
Considering I can make quicker cash with my Photography work I would say the Canon 5D MKII and then I would buy the Apple 17 inch MacBook Pro with some of my earnings!
- Patrick Greer
5D Mark II. And then throw the remaining towards some new glass.
- Andy Hannon
2k into the bank, 1k for computer upgrades and other stuff.
- Grant Bierman
5D Mk II everytime ... unless I don't have a Mac at that particular time ...
- Stephen Taylor
I've already got the 15" unibody so I'd go for the 5Dmkii
- Sparky, a big deal
If I didn't have a laptop, then I would get the 17" MBP. If I already had a lappy, then get the camera...
- William Sellers
Well, I recently moved from a 30D to a 5DMII because it was a huge upgrade for my "system". With a 2 year old Macbook Pro still serving me well for my needs, it's an easy decision. Additionally, I can't see using a 17" notebook over a 15 for portability sake, I'd just as well get an iMac and keep using my Macbook Pro for mobile use.
- Ryan
Aren't you in Vegas? I think there are a few other options in front of you..
- LA Snark
MacBookPro 17-inch. I am a Nikon guy. So, Canon 5D MKII if I had $7K for all the lenses, too.
- Chintan Zaveri
The camera! I already have the 15" MBpro. 17" is just too big.
- Sherry Main
My 1 yr-old MacBook doesn't thrill me; it sits on the desk unused, and I just couldn't pay more than $200 for a camera, unless I was dreadfully rich.
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
5DMKII - sell some images on istockphoto, and then buy an MSI Wind and install OSX. It is faster than my 15" MBP!
- Darren Mak
Neither. Maybe 3 coins :). I have a Macbook Pro which I don't use often comparing to my PC. I am not into the consumer electronic stuff, only got a digital cam last year :).
- dexin
Canon. Can't believe Apple ditched the matte screen on the 17" - FCP users and photographers don't want a glossy screen - the idea of the 17" is the ability to use it out in the field for photo/video editing.
- Peter Clayton
So limiting, Robert! If I could pick whatever I wanted, I'd get one of those sweet Asus multi-touch netbooks coming out - and then use the rest to buy Yahoo! stock. :P
- Shawn Farner
MB 13'' and the external cinema display. MBP17 is huge to carry out
- Jean-Charles VERDIE
Well part of it would have to go towards fixing my car, http://preview.tinyurl.com/9dz2kz. Then the rest would go towards buying a second camera body to be my main and at least one lens if not two. Then the rest would go towards bills.
- Mathew™ one of a kind
Robert: Apple products plus awesome SLR cameras...response is a given :)
- Mo Kargas
the camera is nice - especially all the HD video. friend of mine in the movie post-production business reckons this sort of Camera will KILL the movie camera business in a few years time. especially at the low-budget movie (<$30 million) of the movie business. RED already making big inroads. much cheaper than an ARRI.
- Scot Mcphee
The MK II as I already have the MBP 17 inch...older but it works.
- Semipro
Canon 5D is the winner for me. Great digital photography is the gift that keeps on giving.... ;-)
- John Uppendahl
Well.... Given that I have 4 PC desktops, 2 PC laptops, and 1 iMac, all of which are operational and regularly used, AND that I suck at photography, I'm going for what's behind door #3: A whopping big HDTV -- which will get hooked up to the living room PC, of course. ;-)
- Joanmarie
I'd go the MacBook - but I'd also load it up with the full 8gb of RAM I see as an option (and not many people mentioning). Sadly, a nice 17" MBP setup it just over NZ$10k :(
- Mark Derricutt
MacBook Pro. Hands down. I'm a computer engineer, not a photographer.
- Logan Leger
well since I've already got a Canon 5D Mark II... hmmmm...
- Thomas Hawk
I'll buy neither. What I would rather do is try to buy one share of BRK-B if it gets to that price. :)
- imabonehead
The 17" Mac Book Pro, I already have a 5D MkII ;-)
- Jeff P. Henderson
I'd buy the camera, I have always loved photography and wanted to learn.
- R. Ferguson
I would take the cash and build an ultimate gaming PC !!! :D
- ralphsaunders
When you buy an inexpensive camera, you really sacrifice quality, and that lack of quality endures (you want to keep your photos forever, right?). When you buy an inexpensive computer, that's not the case (I don't need a unibody case :)
- David Andrzejewski
Ouch, this one hurts. I suppose I can't opt for a Nikon equivalent to the Canon? If this is the choice, I'd opt for the MacBook Pro. But if I had 3K, I'd buy myself the Nikon D300
- Karoli
The Canon. A 17" laptop is too big unless you plan to use it as a desktop.
- Hartley Spurlock
Mac for sure.I have a first generation Macbook and I need a new one. Kaya Singer
- Kaya
I would save it until I had between $8-15K for a CO2 laser cutting machine. I like my macs small, and while full frame sounds nice, I know I'm not nearly hungry enough to go pro in photography, so 40D suits me just fine.
- Jason Wehmhoener
That's a tough one because I have been wanting to get my first Mac (have to start somewhere, right?!) but am a hard core Canon fan/user. So if push came to shove, I would have to go with the Canon.
- Laura Zickus
That would be either a trip to another continent or a Fujitsu LifeBook P1630, but it would not be either of the options in the question. I seriously cannot understand $3k for a camera, unless you're going to make that money back in a month or two WITH said camera.
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
Neither, I would invest in the stock market.
- DGentry
I'd prefer a D300, however no matter what brand I'd take the camera in a second over the MBP. Save up another $500 and get a Windows Notebook as well.
- Kenton
The Canon 5D MKII for sure. Cameras bring me a lot more joy than flashy computers. Though a 17-inch MacBookPro would be nice to edit those new photos on too ;-)
- Ian Holton
from twhirl
Probably the Mac. I would never carry around a DSLR. Too big.
- Rodfather
Neither. The new full frame format with HD Movies (wow! Woopee *rolls eyes*) is crap - only 3.9 FPS?! Who are they kidding?!
- Adam
Seeing my Macbook Pro is 5 months old. I would buy neither...but I would buy a MacPro with more RAM.
- Ryan
I take a cruise with Lindsay - big ass stateroom.
- Internet's Tad
Neither, I'd get a Canon Rebel XTi and build a new gaming PC, anything left over would go toward the new home NOC
- xero
If I had the $3,000, Canon 5D and a larger donation here http://tinyurl.com/daniela Pros: it's more portable, takes better pictures, and connects to my more compact 15" Macbook Pro. Of course, it doesn't work with my Nikon lenses, so...
- Lee Dale
Canon 5D MKII only cause I have a Macbook Pro. If I didnt it would be the Macbook.
- Bob Maltais
Nah. Patrick's college fund. 5D Mark 2 or the Macbook isn't all that exciting.
- Joshua Hayworth
cannon.I kill computers, so not worth spending 3 grand on one. Plus I have a (beat up) macbook pro already.
- InPerpetualMotion(Gina k)
Photos shoot at 3.9 fps, video shoots at 30 fps. @AdamGiovane
- Jim Bergman
the new MBP, without a doubt ... my current ones needs a refresh (I'm accepting donations btw) ;-)
- Jeffrey Canton
Since I'll be getting the new MBP anyway, I'll take the 5D. BTW, is anyone keeping score?
- Brad Kligerman
I would buy the Canon, but of course, I would need a MacBook Pro in order to edit/view the photos the way they were meant to be viewed.
- Robert Peña
Blatant self-promotion, but if Robert used re-searchr.com it would keep score for us... I wrote it to suck down inline multiple choice selections so no ne would even have to leave ff
- James Ostheimer
Robert, you're asking the question that's been pondering in my mind from some time (albeit it used to be with the 15" and Cinema display v. 5D/a900/D700 -cannot make my mind-). I want to be able to make a decision before March. I think I'll be going for the Mac, since I might relocate in part of the world where carrying an expensive piece of art around my neck might be more dangerous than here, in JPN.
- Paul Papadimitriou
I'd go for a MBP, mine needs an upgrade and I just bought a 50D not long ago which is just fine for me.
- Andrew Trinh
from Nambu
More lenses. My camera is fine, and this Thinkpad is a good 'un.
- Paula W
Seems like Apple design the 17-inch MacBookPro just can use in 3years.the battery can only use in 1000 times,1time per 1day,3years.But Canon 5D can take more beatuful pics for me,and can stand by me more than 3years.if i really have 3000dollers,i real do this.kick off 17-inch MacbookPro.
- jedorstar
from twhirl
Wow, I came late to this convo. Well, for what it's worth at this point, I'd probably get the lappytop, sell my old MBP and then use THAT money to buy a cheaper camera. :D
- Jon, the Beartato of FF
Canon 5D MKII, no doubt. I have a 1.5 year old 15-inch MacBookPro which is still more than OK. Going from Canon 400D to a 5D MKII however would be a major upgrade.
- Rutger Blom
Macbook I think. I have a 40D but REALLY want the 5D. Which do you think you could get your hands on first?
- Andrew Smith
The $2800 MBP becomes a lot more compelling when converted to 2080€.
- Brad Kligerman
I'm a Nikon guy but the 5D MKII has me seriously considering a switch
- Bryan Thatcher
from twhirl
As I don't like Macs and into my photography the choice out of the two is simple. :-) But I've rather spend the money on say the Nikon D3 and if you gave me an extra grand or 2 then I'd go for the Nikon D3X. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
from twhirl
Without though, the Canon 5D MKII. First up, you don't want to trust another "first gen" Apple product. And with the unimpressive lineup yesterday, maybe the 15" laptops are coming out real soon now, with similar features, and all quirks ironed out
- Colin Charles
from twhirl
I would buy the Mac, get a cheaper camera with the money I have left, and edit and enhance my videos using my Mac.
- Shevonne
I'd go the Mac route. I'm looking to buy one anyway and I've already got a camera. Might not be as fancy as the Canon do-dad, but I'll manage.
- James Ferguson
Wow 202 comments! How did I miss this thread? :)
- AJ Batac
The MacBookPro, I have a Canon 30d but I do not have a MacBook
- Bob Gannon
I wouldn't want a 17'' monster of a MacBookPro and therefore would go for the Canon 5D MKII
- Donald Townsend
Neither. Both are overpriced. If no other options; I'd go camera.
- Wade Dorrell
5D, the 17-inch MacBook Pro is very big. Harder to find bags for it and its less portable.
- seanb
bank it, put in matress, done need either of those things, we need smarter devices that tell us the likelyhood of use-longevitiy in them, "i'm a camera you bought last year, you used me 9 times, i collect dust, owner- please resist replacing me unless you really really really need to, and the data suggests you don't.."
- Dan Rockwell
from twhirl
Not enough to buy what I want with the Canon, and I wouldn't be caught dead spending $3000 on a laptop. What a waste!
- Paul Puri
Neither. A $3000 laptop is not worth it just because of its branding.
- Spencer
ohh.. I can't choose. I want both of them... But if i choose, first canon, second mac... İ have canon 40 d and 15'' mac book pro. And i don't like mac's new screen. It's like mirror...
- devletsah
Spencer: as a recent PC to Mac switcher, it's more than brand. Much more.
- Ryan
I'd buy a netbook for the other three members of my family and put the remaining $2000 toward bills or savings. :)
- Steve Lowe
Agree with Aaron, love my 13" Macbook and really want the 5D MKII
- Kyle
Is this thing still going? I can't remember if I replied to this yet, but I say it depends on what will benefit you the most. Robert, you are a photo-maniac. I know that you have a few cameras laying around the house, but I don't know how many Macs you have. You have to remember that a 17" laptop sounds great on paper, but I know that you do a lot of traveling as well, so it might now suite your means. Then again, I would never keep $3,000 dollars in my pocket ;)
- Michael Forian
of course the mac - doesn´t matter what the second option is...
- Dieter Schwarz
I would buy the Canon 5D MKII but being a Nikonian I would end up buying the MacBook Pro and feel no remorse :)
- Carlos Lorenzo
MacBook Pro. I need a laptop really bad.
- Nick Humphries
The camera. 17-inch laptops are fricking ridiculous.
- Andru Edwards
Impressive amount of comments here, this has to be the highest ever now right?
- Joe Dawson
I'm sorry, can you repeat the question: did you say a "camera", a "computer" or a "shark with laser beams"?
- Micah Wittman
save the money for tougher times. as much as I'd like the Canon, it's going to be just an expensive toy for me. and my three year old Inspiron works just fine for the most things I do on it.
- Franci Penov
from twhirl
5Dm2 because I already have the new MBP 15" 2.8Ghz. Mostly b/c the cam is more revolutionary than the 17", even though the 17" battery life is enticing.
- Thomas Bøhm
Wow, 250 comments - OMG ...FF is really growing ...YEAH !!!
- Susan Beebe
Yeah, this week has produced several >100 comment threads in my feed.
- xero
Not the 5D, but some body+the best lenses, that actually lasts longer. Laptops are out of date in months and often die within 18, cameras and lenses last a lot longer
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
I would buy a Apple 17-inch MacBookPro, only cause I already have a SLR, so I dont need the Canon 5D MKII.
- Colide81 (James)
I would not spend it, id rather invest 3000 dollars with 10 shares of google
- Kyle Weller
then just buy lenses - you probably already have a computer that can do everything you need
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
Exxon-Mobile. Oh wait, what was the question again?
- Erik S
Neither- new hardware for the pending Win7 beta drop. :)
- Randy Holloway
from twhirl
@Ryan I am a Mac user, have been for a while. It's just my opinion, but $2800 for a piece of hardware in which you can the same or better specs on a PC, is quite a bit of branding.
- Spencer
Using the MacBook Pro 17 inch now (love it!)- and I am quite happy with my Canon Powershot G9, so I'll just take the cash and pay down some of my debt--thanks!
- Kelly W.
Canon 5D MKII then buy the 15" MacBook Pro later.
- John Wang
I would buy a new fast lens for my old 5D (around $1000) and save the rest.
- Alexander Arsky
Nikon E90 *and* a 15" Macbook. :) I bend rules.
- Daniel Miessler
Canon 5d MKII, i'm not a mac person so that was easy.
- Squid
I've been back and forth on this since the 17" was announced. I am very likely to upgrade to the 5DMKII this year. But I want a more powerful laptop to work on the huge files it creates. Chicken? Egg? Confused.
- Jeremy Brooks
Canon 5D MKII for sure. MBP 15 is still chugging along after 2 years. And the 5D is still doing great after 1 year, but I would really like the new 5D.
- Johnny Sewell
Did you upgrade to the latest firmware? I had this same problem but it was fixed when I upgraded my iTouch. Maybe the phone works differently...
- Eric Geller
I was going to make a smart comment about the implications of tweeting a device, but I follow @MarsPhoenix :)
- Mattb4rd
i really dont get why the update/backup process can take FOREVER, its not a lot of data. processor on phone must be S L O W
- sean percival
Agreed. WTF is up with that backup?! I'm on the 2.0.2 and almost every time I sync, backup kicks in and seems to think it needs to dump the entire phone. Why isn't it an incremental? And I really don't care that content I upload from iTunes is backed up. It's already in my iTunes. Just backup the settings. /sigh
- ·[▪_▪]·
I've restored my iPhone 3 times in the last 2 days. The Apple logo of death showed up after a sync. Some app is making the springboard crash resulting in an endless loop of restarting. I'm only installing a small amount of apps until there's an update.
- Rodfather
No problems here. Takes less than a minute to sync and back up. Y'know you can cancel the back up by clicking on the (X) beside the "Backing Up" text?
- Paul Reynolds
I always just cancel it now, with as many apps as I have it seems to take over an hour, who can spare that much time?!
- Socom
I've been canceling backup most of the time but I try to let it go once a week or so just to see if the next time it'll go fast. Nope. Always takes about an hour.
- ·[▪_▪]·
This especially bothers me in the morning, when I want to make one last sync before I get on the road, and of course am running late . . .
- Peter Ghosh
LOL! Really! I'm glad I did not get one of the new iPhones. I hope things get better with software upgrades.
- Ric
Try syncing on a Mac that only has USB 1.1... :/
- Jason Wong
I twittered Veronica this but I figured all the people joining the chorus would find this useful. Here is an article from Gizmodo on how to disable the backup process on Macs. http://gizmodo.com/5029121...
- EJ Finneran
I saw this day coming years ago. It may be easier to detect a 'shopped video, because there are so many more frames to analyze and sample.
- Bill Sodeman
Walk by Barney's in the shoppes. At the front door, sometimes it smells like BBQ chicken. I swear. We started calling it BBQ Barney's on our last visit. Nothing gets you to spend $500 on shoes like a little Q.
- Eric @ CS Techcast
Was this at the Taqueria Canonita? Just a mild canal smell ;)
- Roger @ CineVegas
I did not find this spine chilling at all. More left wing scare tactics. Truth is, Given the criteria laid out in this video, you should be no less scared of Obama as President. And, truth is, I'm not scared of either. Things are going to get worse, much worse, before they get better, and they aren't going to get better because of a U.S. President.
- ComicList
Bush quote: "the truth will say that this intelligence has been intelligent"
- Mohamed J
Damn McCain we lose Obama we lose! WTF? The world is ready for Armageddon one way or another! It is not just the president it is the people behind him! Look at Nanci Peloci, she acts like she is on drugs! And she is a democrat! <sad day for the whole world>
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
Or maybe counter-revolution. Like "Down with Rooseveltian stuff! Back to Federalist Papers!"
- 9000
There is no doubt that McCain will use force. Why did that dude have to lead the American cities question with "Seattle"? Fuck.
- Ryan
I'm way more scared of Obama. We will look back at these past few years as the good old days, back when people had jobs. Ugh.
- Hal Rottenberg
from twhirl
Mo: I'm pretty sure Bush said "the truth will say that this intelligence is good intelligence". That said, McCain needs to be stopped and this foolish reign of crazy, self absorbed, war mongering dictators must end. I feel sure that McCain won't be voted into office.
- Brandon Titus
The thing that slows the ambitions of nations like Iran is the threat of US force. Any canidate that takes that threat off the table is destablizing the world.
- Robert Hafer
@Hal- you're seriously scared of Obama? C'mon. We're in debt because we cannot afford war. Debt is what impacts the economy. That's why people are shorting the dollar.
- Ryan
"He will make Cheney lok like Ghandi" - Pat Buchanan on John McCain. Damn, that is quite a statement.
- Darrell Bell
from twhirl
Who's taken the threat of force against Iran off the table?
- Internet's Tad
I always worry most about economic policies, an America with a strong economy can withstand alot of other problems. Any canidate that talks about raising taxes scares me.
- Robert Hafer
@Tad that's what many posters seem to want from McCain.
- Robert Hafer
I am a not US resident and McCain scares the crap out of me...
- Jan Cifra
Hafer Yeah I hear you. look what happened when Clinton raised taxes. Who wants to go back to the days of a booming economy, full employment, budget surpluses and raising wages. *shudder*
- Jeff Jones
Wow. That response got totally munged by Twirl. Let's try that again. What is the alternative? Oh, right. Borrow ourselves into oblivion. We're so awesome, we've figured out a way to tax our decendants to finance our wildly out of balance lifestyle. Whatever social programs Obama wants to implement are a drop in the bucket next to an un-necessary $1-5 Trillion with a T war with Iraq. At...
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- stretta
I consider myself fiscally conservative in my political views and in that regard usually side with the Republicans but I just haven't been able to do it for several years now. There's a point when one has to realize that the ramifications of a liberal fiscal policy really doesn't matter when we're at war with the whole world. I'd be damned if there's another military draft without justification, a la Vietnam, and our current diplomatic posture and saber rattling is not a good enough reason...
- grant fox
...I take recession over warmongering any day.
- grant fox
Jeff, the Clinton surplus never materialized, because the economy was predicted to continue growing at the pre-increase rate, which of course it didn't because of the tax increases. Clintons vaunted "full employment" was at 6% unemployment, the rate now is 5.7%, The booming economy was the result of Reagan's fiscal policies. Clinton was leaving office just as the damage he did to the economy was becoming obvious.
- Robert Hafer
iphonegirl, I would think that people on your side of the pond would remember Neville Chamberlain and what came of his efforts to avoid war at any cost.
- Robert Hafer
Bottom line on war is we need to participate with the world and not mandate. America needs to check its ego at the door and foster the relationships we have squandered.
- Andy Lewandowski
I've spent a total of $10.00 there and I gave that app to Chris Pirillo for a review. I am strongly considering an ipod touch though. Let's see, ipod touch or new tube amp? Hmmm
- Mattb4rd
I don't know about the Scientology thing but I loved the 10 books series "Mission Earth" that he wrote. Very entertaining ... and a recurring theme in those books is how bad psychology and psychiatry (and advertising) are for the world... Maybe that's where Tom Cruise got his rants about Brooks Shields postpartum depression treatment. http://swordandlaser.ning.com/group...
- Todd Loren Sinclair
Ha ha ha, what a great promo video for the subject of "Online Privacy." It was the title of your UStream video during the freakout. LOL
- Dread Pirate PJ
from NoiseRiver
technically, if I comment here, do I invalidate the "no comment" part? ;) Saw you from a short distance tonight, didn't get to say hi before you were swept away again!
- Lucretia Pruitt
It would be nice if they told us before 'planned' maintenance
- Andrew Fielding
from twhirl
@Michael I agree. I pay for flickr and pownce pro. I'd pay for twitter pro if it helped it to work properly, but it wouldn't, they have money. I'd pay for a twhirl iPhone app too, if it had no ads.
- jjprojects
the question is when will people be ready to pay for Seesmic pro :)
- Loic Le Meur
from twhirl
There is going to be a Seesmic Pro? What extra features will it have? Have you decided?
- jjprojects
It looks good (it couldn't fail to look good with Alex McDowell as production designer), but you know what? It's going to suck. Watchmen is an unfilmable graphic novel, at least if you want to keep the elements that made it great - the elements that revolve around it being a comic and not any other medium (the intercutting with Tales of the Black Freighter, the symmetry inherent in the...
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- Brad Brooks
Watched with the sound off, the individual scenes from that trailer look great, but as a *trailer*, that sucks (opening with Dr Manhattan? Eek). I doubt anyone unfamiliar with the comic will have the slightest clue what the film is about or why they should see it. Still, I'm sure it's allayed some fears about what Snyder is doing with Watchmen.
- Jules
@Jules: I think the point of the Dr. Manhattan opening was to get the attention of the 30- and 40-somethings who have such strong recollections of the comic. Later trailers will attempt to broaden the appeal.
- Rob Sterling
Scoble "likes" items to bring them to the attention of those who follow his feed. It's not an emotional response. It also is his only option if he wants to highlight it... and not comment.
- Louis Gray
Lighten up Louis - I'm sure Robert can speak for himself
- Brian Sullivan
Louis, that type of social behaviour is not alone a scoble thing :)-
- Peter Dawson
interesting, scoble "liked" my post but then removed the like. i also think like should be renamed to share to avoid these issues in the future.
- Allen Stern
I thought changing it to "mark" would work as well.
- Brian Sullivan
I don't Like that PodTech failed, $7.5 million in VC cash and today they were sold for for less than half a million dollars. I know Robert, Jeremiah, John and Vallery, but no one is ready to tell the story
- paul mooney
I'm cool with telling the story. I just need a couple of glasses and wine and a lot of time to tell it first. Podtech was screwed up by a number of decisions. Everyone played a part, but I sure learned a lot about how a company can screw up big time. Major learnings for me? 1. Have a story. 2. Have everyone on board with that story. 3. If anyone goes off of that story, make sure they get on board immediately or fire them. PodTech did none of the three and I'm sorry for my part in not making the three happen
- Robert Scoble
Not all ventures succeed though. How many 'fail' for those that succeed? It pays to take a pragmatic view. I think it's a hot market, and the impetus to succeed is high, eventually some will break
- Mo Kargas
Other things I learned: 1. Make sure people are judged by the revenues they bring in. Those that bring in revenues should get to run the place. People who don't bring in revenues should get fewer and fewer responsibilities, not more and more. 2. Work ONLY for a leader who will make the tough decisions (see above). 3. Build a place where excellence is expected, allowed, and is enabled. 4. Fire idiots quickly (didn't happen at PodTech -- even if you count me as one of the idiots).
- Robert Scoble
We get so much coverage of companies when they launch, when they're growing, etc. I'm hoping that someone writes an in-depth piece on what went wrong at PodTech so that entrepreneurs can learn from this. There is so much that you can learn from failures.
- Mike Doeff
Other things I learned: 1. if your engineering team can't give a media team good measurements, the entire company is in trouble. Only things that are measured ever get improved. 2. When your stars aren't listened to the company is in trouble. 3. When your stars start leaving (Gillmor and Owyang left before I did) the company is in trouble. 4. Getting rid of the CEO, even if it's all his fault, won't help unless you replace him/her with someone who is visionary and who can fix #1,2,3.
- Robert Scoble
My only thought is, how much longer does PodShow have?
- Christian Burns
Robert: Thanks for all the insights from the "front". It's no fun being in a business failure. :-( But the lessons there are immense. I learn a hell of a lot from my failures...
- Mitchell Tsai
Mike: I'm not going to be the one who writes that. Much of the worst stuff is too personal. Failures of companies often happen around failures at the leadership level. Telling why things failed means telling off investors, executives, and others (and even me). Not likely to happen because that'd mean burning bridges and I'm just not willing to do that. These people have too many friends. :-)
- Robert Scoble
My vote is for assimilation into something bigger. They bought it to "right the wrongs" and flip it to someone else. Heck, at 500k, it's a bargain right now...IF things are cleaned up.
- Bradley McSpinn
Brad: almost all of the talent left. What's left now is not much that's worth much. The revenues came because of our social media leadership. That's what Furrier really had in his hands. Owyang. Me. Cunningham. Jones. Gillmor. The rest of the stuff was a pipe dream that didn't lead anywhere, which is really why the company burned through $7 million (plus several million in revenues).
- Robert Scoble
@louisgray I've often wondered if there was a better option than "like" and "unlike" would be nice to see "interesting" there are many times when I see something that is interesting but I don't "like" it.
- michael sean wright
Although I'm sorry to hear this happened, Robert, I'm really appreciating the lessons you're passing on. Valuable stuff, thanks. :-)
- Brian Carter
Louis is correct. I didn't "like" this. I just thought it was interesting for you to read.
- Robert Scoble
I'll second Brian. Thanks for sharing, Robert.
- Chris Baskind
"burned through $7 million (plus several million in revenues)" ?? wow thats a lot of mulla to burn thru .. net net at least 10-12M ! For what a 10 member team and within like 2yrs ?? you all must have had rock star status... did you have a chauffeur driven car Scobles ?
- Peter Dawson
Well dish them up, Eric. The aspect of full disclosure is part of what I love so much about FriendFeed.
- Bradley McSpinn
tell tell Eric.. the topic is hot :)_
- Peter Dawson
I honestly hate to hear of the downfall of any credible social media, especially in the means by which this story unfolded. Glad to see you're in better company these days, Robert.
- Bradley McSpinn
Peter: there were more than 30 people and dozens of contractors working at Podtech. Only a couple brought in any sizeable revenues.
- Robert Scoble
Misteps aside, did PodTech have a viable opportunity, or was it ultimately doomed from the start? Clearly any company that's not run as a meritocracy has little chance for success.
- Brian Edwards
Although Robert's response to Mike Doeff is probably true (that the backstory to companies that fail are too personal), I agree with Mike that a post mortem of entrepreneurial endeavors would be very useful. Case studies can change the names to protect the not-so-innocent too.
- David Muir
grrrrrrrr.. I wish FF has button at bottom of thread 4 ease of commenting..anyhoot @Sean even at 40heads - it still does not make sense. Unless you tell me that all 30 members were getting $100K and dont 4get startups pay less and give more in share holdings !!
- Peter Dawson
Do I dare bring up the how did they expect to pay back 7.5 million in V.C. through such extremely niche content question?
- Paul Colligan
Sean: engineers in Silicon Valley cost more than $100,000 per year. Podtech had a chance in the Social Media World but spent too much to build its own platform and never delivered on that. We also didn't work together and that is another failure in a startup.
- Robert Scoble
I am going to write an in depth post on this story. It's huge. There are many lessons. Scoble's view is from his perspective but there is a big picture that goes way beyond Scoble's view and that has to do with building a company from a zero stage. I've moved on from a year ago after I was forced out by the board. We made some mistakes but directionally correct. Sure if I had a mulligan things might be different but a business strategy, financing strategy, and team strategy are part of the story..
- John Furrier
john: I am looking forward to your post.
- Robert Scoble
There are many lessons to learn that I'll post about. PodTech had a great chance and pioneered some of the best practices in social media. One thing that I'll talk about is the difference between self financed growth strategies and venture backed growth strategies.
- John Furrier
I'm looking at this from way on the outside. The value of my perspective is that I know nothing about internal management, visions, discussions, factions, or what have you. All I can say is that from afar, I never got any brand coherence from PodTech. Was it news? paid corporate marketing videos? analysis? community? There were some powerful personal brands--I still follow them in the PodTech diaspora--but it felt they never cohered into a PodTech identity. (That doesn't mean losing personal identity.)
- Michael Markman
Michael: exactly. We never played together as a team. It is why entrepreneurs need different skills after they start their companies. It is not enough to sell people on a dream. You must coach your way to it too.
- Robert Scoble
Great to work with John, Robert, Valarie, Kevin E, Jennifer J, Michael K, Jeremiah. Like many Web 1.0 / 2.0 companies, those in social media face the challenge of business model. There are lots of bigger train wrecks. But unlike PodTech, no one created enough of a brand (good or bad) to even be remembered in this conversation. There are more to come.
- Brad Baldwin
Brad, so does this mean you're looking for something new now, or are you still with PodTech's new owners?
- Jesse Stay
from twhirl
When exactly are people supposed to use PodTech? At work... but too time consuming... people hate slow voicemail and want email. In the car, maybe. At home, may not want to address work topics. At least they had the cojones to cut bait.
- Indio Apache
from twhirl
John Furrier, I'm also very interested to hear your stories.
- imabonehead
I think this is one of the best conversations I've ever seen on Friendfeed or in a blog. The perspectives are great. From my outside point of view, and from the vantage oint of having worked with literally hundreds of entrepreneurs, I think Podtech didn't exactly know what it was doing from a brand standpoint, other than being "cool." It was VERY cool, but so was pets.com,There also has to be a viable business model, and I don't believe revenue from sponsorship is enoough.
- Francine Hardaway
With all due respect to their "failure", half a million dollars ain't that bad! What puzzled me from the beginning, is what permission do they have to record and publish many of the talks. Did all respectful speakers surrender full "replay/distribute/resell" rights to their sessions? This doesn't apply to interviews, but a lot of recordings are from professional talks and seminars...
- Adi Rabinovich
I have been thinking about what Furrier said about me not having a full picture of what went wrong. First of all I don't think he is right, but if he is I will add one last learning: never work in a VP position when those above you don't share a complete picture of the business with you. Especially when that business is a social media one that was pushing transparency and community values.
- Robert Scoble
PodTech introduced me to Thomas Hawk. Robert Scoble took a risk and left Microsoft for PodTech for more money and to make his mark ouside of MS. The back story would be interesting to hear. I agree with Francine Hardaway in this this is one of the best conversations I too have seen on FriendFeed. Honestly, I'm an audio listener. I never could support PodTech as a viewer unless you count Photowalking. I did not know that John Furrier was forced out. So who bought PodTech?
- Maury Estabrooks
Pathetic that people cheer at someones failure. Regardless, I know - don't go there- just freakin sad.
- Rocky Barbanica
What will happen to your videos? You guys did good work there.
- Andrew Feinberg
Andrew: our old videos belong to Podtech. I hope they donate the tapes and archives to the Computer History Museum.
- Robert Scoble
I'm looking forward to hearing an open discussion of what went wrong. I think startup entrepreneurs like me ca learn a lot from this.
- Andrew Warner
Hope the 2-3 hours of video Scoble recorded of CrossLoop way back doesn't go away
- Mrinal Desai
One thing, Andrew, you could learn - don't alienate those about you. Be strong enough and have the courage to bring everyone on the team together and make them all feel that their contributions are appreciated.
- Rocky Barbanica
...and be smart enough to put the company on Chemotherapy when cancer is detected.
- Rocky Barbanica
Robert was kind enough to take me to Podtech and introduce me to John when I was in town last May. I think it's very sad that it didn't work out. People put their hopes and dreams and very soul into startups. But then, "failure" does have a lot of value, as we can all see from this thread. Hopefully, for everybody involved Podtech was a good stepping stone to something else that's...
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- Dawn
@ Scoble. I am copy pasting a comment from Mathew Ingram's post on this topic. I liked the comment and hope you would shed some insight into its questions. The comment follows: "Is anyone at Fastcompany Inc. reading this? What has Scoble really learned? What is Fastcompany.tv's story? How do Fastcompany.com, scobleizer.com, scobleizerTV, Fast Company Live, WorkFastTV, PhotoCycle, Qik,...
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- Bilal Hameed
Bilal, perhaps you and anonymous commenters at Mathew Ingram's blog should mind your own business. Demanding revenue and profit numbers, etc., is outrageous.
- Dawn
As much as anyone who is 'in it for the tech' hates to admit it, revenues are simply essential for any business. I can't even count the number of times in y old company business development came down and said 'do this and this please' and I was like 'it will take 3 employees 2 weeks of time to do this, how much money will we get for it?' and the answer was 'oh, no revenues, we just think it would look better.' Revenues matter.
- Andrew Leyden
Did the rights to the Vloggies go with the sale? I know Irina would love to have her idea back.:) A lot of the talk here is how Podtech was a "social media" company, where it always looked like a "video production/distribution" company to me. Is there a difference in Podtech that I was missing? There is definitely a great case study in how companies interact with creative professionals and communities somewhere in here.
- Schlomo Rabinowitz
Bilal: the changes to WorkFastTV actually were made due to community feedback. If it weren't for the community feedback, those changes would never have been made. What is FastCompanyTV's story? We are having conversations with business and tech innovators to understand how the "fastest companies" are building value for their customers and we'll use the most interactive methods around to...
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- Robert Scoble
FastCompanyTV is making our bosses happy (we're bringing in more revenue than is being spent) but we're a private company so we don't discuss our finances in public. About our audience. I'd argue that I know more about our audience than any TV show does and we're soon going to require loging into FastCompanyTV to comment. Who is making tough decisions? I have a boss and he has a boss but the community is really our ultimate boss.
- Robert Scoble
Schlomo: no, there's no real difference in the end. That's why PodTech failed. It squandered (didn't listen to, or make use of) its social media stars. I don't know what'll happen to the Vloggies trademark and domain. I assume the new owners will keep those, I'd assume Irina can negotiate with them. Andrew is right. Dawn, thank you, appreciate the support.
- Robert Scoble
PodTech and John's earlier work (circa 2005) was why I got into podcasting. It's why I co-founded PodCamp. It's why I thought there was a great opportunity to make interesting media in the tech space. Between PodTech and IT Conversations, I learned tons of larger picture information that saved my company millions of dollars. When all the "cool kids" showed up, I had high hopes like everyone else. But that's also when things diffused in a weird way.
- Chris Brogan
What a wonderful discussion. I am waiting for John's post. It will surely clear a lot. I know John personally and I like him. Let's see his opinion and see what the next steps for everybody are.
- George Athannassov
some of Those videos that Scoble did for podtech have had huge impact on me
- Christian Burns
Posted a longer essay on this, and podcasting as a business. My question: How does the $500k sale price relate to missteps by the company, as opposed to fundamental problems with podcasting as a business? -- http://www.thestandard.com/news...
- Ian Lamont
I pointed this thread to a friend of mine, not a geek , but a "thinker" and who dabbbles in M&A, Hedging and all that nice fund style mngt. His comments were. "listen there are lesson to be learned everywhere, the founders should be thankful that this is only a 10-12M cost of learning curve. All startups face a risk, all investments have risk. Its only throgh failure that people learn to mature and grow. All good things that flourishs are by-products of many failures" . Oh well, I digress.
- Peter Dawson
It was certainly an interesting ride for the almost year I was there. One thing I could never understand is why PodTech felt it needed to build its own media player and distribution platform when there were several potential partners that were already years ahead of PodTech's development. Blip.tv or Castfire could have easily saved PodTech a shit ton of cash while delivering better features and stats reporting. I suspect with an engineering team in place, they needed something to do.
- Eddie Codel
Eddie - Can't agree more, but this is just one of the many missteps that appears to have happened. Roberts level of transparency on the topic gives us a great opportunity into what can go wrong in a start-up. The core issue appears to be a lack of leadership at many levels. If an honest post-mortem can be written it will surely benefit anyone looking to build their own startup.
- Jim McCusker