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NewsGang Live test: requires Silverlight and FriendFeed http://beta.newsgang.net/...
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Seems interesting but what am I entering my FF credentials into Steve? Not going to enter them into something I have heard nothing about..
- Bill Heslin
ok
- Steve Gillmor
So is this an extension of Gillmor Gang, some new newsy thing that fits in there? I'll beta test..just want some more info?
- Bill Heslin
bill, it's the remote key not your password... read up here https://friendfeed.com/account...
- Chris Heath
thanks Chris ..will do
- Bill Heslin
Oh yes Chris I understand the remote key...but just wondering what it's all about. That's all.
- Bill Heslin
we're testing a vanilla onboard, Bill. I can explain more once you're in.
- Steve Gillmor
I'm in
- Bill Heslin
Wow...very cool...
- Bill Heslin
Ok, I am partway there
- Christian Burns
also, steve... the css isn't fluid and looks like this to me (chrome 3 on windows xp) http://img39.imageshack.us/img39... - also i think the silverlight was bogging down my old P4 system
- Chris Heath
Mine looks like Chris' in Chrome on Vista, but I haven't been able to load the newest Silverlight in Chrome (unless it carried over from my install of it in IE8 last night).
- Robert G. Male
Firefox is probably a better bet on Vista.
- Cliff Gerrish
I have double sidebars when I view it from beta.newsgang.net
- Karoli
Karoli...take off the beer goggles...LOL...Hiya!
- Bill Heslin
Yeah, usually NGL itself isn't the focus of NGL. You get a little video feedback when that happens.
- Cliff Gerrish
Silverlight doesn't work on Safari running on Windows = Fail!
- Michael Pinto
Yes, it does. I tested that earlier today.
- Cliff Gerrish
Requirements: Silverlight, FriendFeed, $5 pay-per-view next?
- James Robertson
Silverlight and Flash will never run as well as HTML5 on constrained mobile devices. If they run as stand-alone apps then they will have to compete with the functionality of browsers. If they run within browsers they suck up additional memory and processor cycles and play poorly. Developers are not going to invest in optimizing their Flash/Silverlight apps to run on both the desktop and on mobile devices with a variety of screen resolutions, etc. Give up on this fantasy Steve.
- scott anderson
Adam Bosworth told me a long time ago that Moore's Law trumps these issues, as it did with RSS's supposed verbosity and everything else XMLish since. Hybrid browser/rich apps will continue to win while moving the market closer to so called HTML 5ish standards. I'd give up on the rhetoric Scott if I were you.
- Steve Gillmor
HTML 5, Silverlight, Flash, Pen and Paper. No one cares if something is good and useful. They'll dowload the plugin or fill the inkwells if that's what they need to do.
- Matt Terenzio
exactly, Matt
- Steve Gillmor
in the past (it seems to me) enterprise seems to drive software while hardware has been driven by gamers/gaming ... 1) what do you think about that? 2) what about going forward? 3) and what about mobile, will it drive anything - or is it creating a class of it's own? (app store markets?)
- Chris Heath
You can call it rhetoric if you like but if it costs more for consumers to purchase mobile phones that run technologies like Flash and Silverlight that consume more memory, processor cycles, battery life, etc. and it costs developers more resources to build these "rich" experiences and make them compatible then it won't happen. The benefits do not outweigh the costs.
- scott anderson
phones are razors and history (iPhone) shows this does in fact happen. Flash is not off the iPhone for technical reasons but economics, and Gphone is about to make that irrelevant.
- Steve Gillmor
is gPhone making Flash, the iPhone, or the economics irrelevant?
- Chris Heath
flash is silverlight is HTML 5 eventually. Gphone allows Flash and other plugins. Moonlight decompiling strategy closes loop to iPhone
- Steve Gillmor
What are the benefits that Flash and Silverlight add to the user experience that cannot be duplicated in HTML5, especially when the nature of UI on mobile devices lends itself to simplicity?
- scott anderson
if you see no benefits, then why pitch your theory. It's like the Republicans reading the bill out to slow down reality
- Steve Gillmor
I pitch my theories so that they can be debunked by others. I am a mobile app developer with limited resources and want to be smart in my investments in tools and infrastructure.
- scott anderson
well, then you should talk to .Net devs and see if they meet your needs. Sounds like you are happy in HTML5 land.
- Steve Gillmor
Why hasn't Flash taken over web pages designed for desktop browsers and why hasn't Adobe Air been successful on the desktop? If they cannot succeed on the desktop then I have no hope for these technologies succeeding on mobile phones. I'm not talking about video players but applications written in Flash or Silverlight. I would not need .Net to simply support playing video. I am happy in GWT land and see more robust apps being possible with SVG + WebGL + Javascript along with the media tags in HTML5.
- scott anderson
Just an FYI: remote keys are a poor user experience. OAuth is preferred. And when you use OAuth limits are applied to the user instead of the IP address making the call, making it easier to grow your application (assuming you call the API from your server). Read more here: http://friendfeed.com/api...
- Benjamin Golub
yes benjamin we are moving to Oauth before we come out of beta. And can you fill us in on what's going on last 24 hours with Twitter feed.
- Steve Gillmor
Scott Flash is dominant on browsers for video. Air sucks but it provides experiences SIlverlight improves on. ask Seesmic why they've ported to WIndows and then to SIlverlight.
- Steve Gillmor
You're assuming that Seesmic is making intelligent development decisions by investing in Windows and Silverlight. That remains to be seen.
- scott anderson
no I am assuming a rationale for assigning resources that makes sense with what I think is going on. How it impacts on individual developers has more to do with their products and the full range of technologies they support. They also produced an Android version before iPhone. Unlike you, they support both models.
- Steve Gillmor
Leveraging Flash or Silverlight for simply playing videos is overkill. The video decoder royalty issues will be worked out. I can see Google donating the assets they recently got from their acquisition of On2.
- scott anderson
Steve: what do you mean by "what's going on last 24 hours with Twitter feed"? We had a small hiccup with the crawl (not Twitter specific, the entire crawl) but things should be moving again.
- Benjamin Golub
ben the twitter feed resumed about an hour ago and has been adding items from both yesterday and up to an hour ago. It was dead as a doornail last night. And I assume the firehose issues remain unresolved by the delta between timestamps even now
- Steve Gillmor
scott: we'll see. meantime there are plenty of reasons why SIlverlight is a big deal, and worth some people's time.
- Steve Gillmor
I am developing an application framework for Android that leverages web panes within native apps. I use native infrastructure where it makes sense and web standards for the content related pieces.
- scott anderson
yeah I get it, but this is a back and forth without meaningful progress. let's move on
- Steve Gillmor
Silverlight and Flash do have one potentially critical advantage over HTML5 ... DRM. In my opinion publishers should have a mechanism to protect their content from piracy. If Jobs succeeds in blocking both Flash and Silverlight runtimes from the iPhone, it will be interesting to see what kind of DRM solution Apple establishes with their new video streaming technology and how tightly...
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- scott anderson
This is interesting. Will it work with moonligjt on linux?
- Alfred C. Ingram
at some point
- Steve Gillmor
I've said it before: Silverlight - the OS/2 of RIAs
- Nick Lothian
Chrome might require the IEtab extension to use silverlight,
- Alfred C. Ingram
Nope Alfred. And merry Christmas everybody!
- Chris Heath
from iPhone
I made a http://www.google.com/search... shortcut for when you want to do a real-time search on Google.
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ain't good enough but nice effort
- testbeta
I am beginning to finally get it... If you post on Friendfeed you get comments... If you post on Twitter, you get followers. If you are marketing something (e.g. your blog/brand, your product/service) getting followers is much better than getting comments.
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And if you are not wanting to get marketed to?
- Cristo
You need to than unfollow those users...:)) Twitter is a lot more about broadcasting and getting followers is like a drug.. the more you broadcast the more followers you get :)
- Bindu Reddy
Are you getting high right now? :)
- Cristo
Getting followers doesn't really mean anything: 390 of the 400 followers I have on Twitter never act or do anything with what I say on it. Getting them to convert is the meaningful part of the marketing proposition, and conversations, I've found, are far more effective at that.
- Mark Trapp
Mark is right.
- Robert Scoble
So, what's the FAQ for interaction on Twitter? I had a post that got 100+ comments the other day here on Friendfeed but no response on Twitter. I must be doing something wrong over there.
- Eric @ CSTechcast.com
twitter seems to be great for people who are lazy and not really savvy about marketing. it's sort of like shouting into the void, and you might get a few people to respond, but do you really get people to act?
- Bren -- feeling merry
@Mark, I agree with you.. However to a lot of people having a follower number like 10K/20K, which seems like a relatively easily thing to do on Twitter, is not only just a high but it is also a good way to keep in touch with your audience without spending too much time... Here keeping in touch with your audience is way more time consuming
- Bindu Reddy
Bindu, but keeping in touch doesn't mean anything if they're not listening. You can have a million followers, but if you're not getting any of them to act on what you're saying, it doesn't mean much. Getting conversations going with people, who may or may not be followers, which Twitter is pretty bad at, are more effective at getting people to convert. I just had a relatively popular...
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- Mark Trapp
Bindu, I'm following you (FF) and I just commented too :)
- Micah Wittman
@Mark, Curious how did you get them to go to your website?
- Bindu Reddy
Bindu, if I knew that I'd have it made. Near as I can tell, people were doing Twitter and Google searches for "twitter list," and then started retweeting it and sharing it from there.
- Mark Trapp
Following is such a low-risk endeavor that people don't put thought into it: they'll follow anyone and everyone. You even have people thinking it's common decency to automatically follow people if they follow you without even thinking about if their content is interesting. Following is the 21st century equivalent of receiving a phone book or the yellow pages: you do it just in case you need to contact or get ahold of someone in the future, but nobody ever realistically does.
- Mark Trapp
Yep, it's like collecting business cards that get neatly filed into a big binder. It's about the self-satisfaction of the collection - you feel more connected / networked / important and avoid doing the hard work of cold calling or meeting with people and building something or whatever.
- Micah Wittman
I agree with following being a low-risk effort... However I have also heard of ppl gaining value from Twitter without much effort. Take for example this coffeshop I am a big fan of - sightglass coffee. They get a lot of customers from Twitter. It takes them relatively little time to tweet and they get customers. It would be very hard to achieve the same on FF.
- Bindu Reddy
Bindu, I get lots of conversation on Twitter, too. One of the reasons I am there more than here is because people with common interest in my political obsessions are there, but not here.
- Karoli
Karoli - Yes, the Twitterverse is way more diverse than the FFverse. Curious do you get more comments/conversations per post on Twitter as compared to FF or is it that you you post more stuff because time spent per post is lower on Twitter
- Bindu Reddy
Bindu, I get very little response to political conversations/comments on FF - a couple of folks follow here but a very small percentage compared to twitter. I tried to pull people over here, but they didn't understand why they should leave tweetdeck and their twitter setup for new territory.
- Karoli
Geeks (+ early adopters, influential folks, the elite ...) are on FriendFeed and the proletariat on Twitter? Long live the dictatorship of the proletariat? Calls for action work best when the audience actually cares, so prolly that's all about choosing the right medium for the targeted punters?
- Sebastian
Sebastian... yes agree the geeks and tech bloggers are on FF... However if you are marketing say a fashion or beauty blog. You won't get much interest here. twitter is the place for you :)
- Bindu Reddy
I disagree with that statement, Bindu. There's a LOT of non-tech getting traction on FriendFeed. So much so that it's the number one reason Scoble no longer enjoys being here: he says he doesn't see enough tech for his liking.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Just butting in here to mention that there are tons of uses for both twitter and friendfeed that have nothing whatsoever to do with marketing. In fact, once could make the argument that social networks such as these were designed to get away from marketing. Unlike radio, TV, or even a web search, you choose who you'll be receiving information from. If you're looking to exchange...
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- Mr. Gunn
Marketing, schmarketing.
- Christopher A Carr
Bindu, what I'm sick of is marketers broadcasting their sales pitches to all social media outlets out there, regardless whether the audience might fit or not. Anyways, i'ts possible to attract a few somewhat intelligent responses to geeky topics at Twitter, at least when xmas and independence day share the same date. Most probably I wouldn't try to sell wonder bras at FF, though.
- Sebastian
@Tina ... umm I have not been an avid user of FF lately so maybe it has become pretty diverse. Are you saying there are a lot of people on here with specific interests such as politics, beauty etc?
- Bindu Reddy
Sebastian - LOL.. agree :)
- Bindu Reddy
Bindu: Ning is a better place to go if you have very specific topics you want to talk about. They are growing a FriendFeed every 12 days (they are getting a million new users that often and have just passed 38 million registered). FriendFeed is fun if you aren't sure what you want to chat about and you're cool with seeing lots of family pictures and goofy stuff. Tina is right that the hard-core geeks are mostly on Twitter or Facebook now, I keep watching here, though.
- Robert Scoble
Karoli I get all kinds of action here on political topics. I have more followers on Twitter but rarely get a response there. Here I got 80+ comments yesterday.
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
from iPod
MVB, Karoli is a prolific voice on twitter. Twitter seems quite effective for political advocacy/activism even though longer form convos have to break out somewhere else. Also, just like friendfeed, volume / steady presence can make all the difference. Your tweet count is ~2K; Karoli's over 63K.
- Micah Wittman
My presence here is similar to Kaoli's on Twitter, then. So, presence is a mitigating factor. But, Micah, as you so deftly point out, for a long conversation there needs to be a move to another venue. That's where here works better, since it can stay right here.
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
from iPod
We agree, and can agreed at length right here, folks :)
- Micah Wittman
So link your twitter to your friendfeed. Get followers and comments. The best of both worlds.
- Hareesh Nagarajan
Does it make any difference here whether the original post was to Twitter and reposted here automatically or the original post was directly here? In other words, does the FF community prefer to comment on direct posts rather than Twitter reposts?
- Jimmy Walker
Jimmy: it honestly depends on who you interact with on FriendFeed. There are people who get irate about people only posting to Twitter and openly advocate using FriendFeed directly, and yet, there are interesting people who always get a conversation going around their tweets. One thing that sometimes helps is coming back to FriendFeed and elaborating on your tweet, or to do more than...
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- Mark Trapp
Mark, that sounds like good advice. Thanks.
- Jimmy Walker
B.Reddy is right.I complately agree with her.A good view,and a good advice for us.Thank you Bindu...
- Dedegi
Following only happens after several good comments. Consistency is the key.
- Jeremy (on vacation)
Jeremy, I am not sure... Someone body or the other seems to come and follow you based on pretty much anything you twitter. Of course most of these ppl prob. do that expecting a follow back?
- Bindu Reddy
Bindu: I meant on FF. Twitter...they're pretty loose.
- Jeremy (on vacation)
I don't get followers from posting on Twitter; the only people who see what I post there are my followers.
- Mistletoe Glen
I post both places and get almost nothing... so where's your hypothesis now, huh!? ;-))
- Jim Misses SP
Post more pics of Johnny in a dress.
- Jeremy (on vacation)
If I was marketing something, I would do both...
- Johnny Worthington
Bindu: As you had said earlier, most of the followers at twitter don't read what you are tweeting. So it is actually better to get comments as you know those who comment read whatever you post.
- Amit
Amit, I completely agree with you about the comments and how no one reads your tweets. As an example I posted a tweet about "anchors" On FF there are 7 likes and 14 comments.. None on twitter. However at the end of the day for every 20 new followers I get 1-2 new friends. On FF much less of that happens. So from a marketing point of view Twitter is better.
- Bindu Reddy
Bindu, how many people are subbed to you on FF and on Twitter? What are the total number of subs to each? What is the ratio of your subs to the total subs of each? I bet a crisp dollar bill that you are subbed to a higher percentage of subs on FF than on Twitter.
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
from fftogo
MVB interesting point of subs. # of subs on Twitter and FF are about the same but the quality of subs is much better on FF. As far as ration goes... yes FF is much better than Twitter and that does have an impact. However I am going to contend that even for people who have many more subs on Twitter (e.g. scoble?) there is much more engagement on FF than twitter. he probably adds more followers though on twitter
- Bindu Reddy
Bindu, exactly. Unlike you, I, and most others, are not here to market a product or service so we see a different function of Social Media.
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
from iPod
Social Media 101: It's a two-way street - relationships are formed via interactions, not uni-directional broadcast. :)
- See-ming Lee 李思明 SML
This, btw, is true for all forms of marketing / business function - consider a customer support hotline that never get answered by anyone but just sits there as a 1-800 number.
- See-ming Lee 李思明 SML
I'd like to think getting sales is even better than followers, come to think of it, getting leads are better than followers too. Followers are overrated.
- Justin Hitt
@Justin... completely agree..
- Bindu Reddy
Gillmor Gang hardware setup http://techcrunch.posterous.com/gillmor...
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Gillmor Gang 11.05.09 - http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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How to rank real-time search (Scripting News). http://www.scripting.com/stories...
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Video on the Web - Dive Into HTML5 - http://diveintohtml5.org/video...
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via Atul
- Steve Gillmor
Why Ranking Matters — jungleG - http://jungleg.com/2009...
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We live in a world full of statistics. We’re always measuring ourselves against our competitors and most of the time success is tied with performance and relative positions. Unfortunately the web is a place where everything is measurable. Every click, visit, pageview, source can be added, combined and reported. But even though we might know very well what users are doing on our site, comparing ourselves with others is where things get tricky.
- Jorge Escobar
from Bookmarklet
Next step: PersonRank ? It is already all bout people we trust, i.e. follow, friend, include in fine tuned realtime data streams.
- Mindaugas Dagys
That's very true Mindaugas. It is the next frontier. There was a Techcrunch50 startup that was about personal authority. Anyone remember the name? It was from the creators of Popego.
- Jorge Escobar
Ozzie on the realtime wave - http://www.techcrunchit.com/2009...
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Re: louisgray.com: Wanted: A Magical TiVo With Sub-Program Alerts - http://www.louisgray.com/live...
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"The good news is that we don't have to build the updates ourselves. Our role is to not say something is "easy", but instead to consider what's possible. Smarter folks who know this stuff cold can work to bridge the gap. Your suggestions are also very good."
- Louis Gray
Identity is the platform - http://factoryjoe.com/blog...
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"Hi @Ankush: Replies: Certainly those of us who understand the social and technical constraints related to managed identity care deeply about these issues. But how do we convey the importance of a lack of digital freedom to average users? It seems oddly similar to Richard Stallman’s efforts evangelizing free and open source software. I think stories work well. In my talk, I focused on a personal experience, which I’m sure will become increasingly common. I also think that many people won’t relate to this idea at all — and that’s okay. What’s important is that there is a clear, actionable message that explains how to support this idea and why it’s actually a good idea for the web and the network in general. It may not be completely obvious yet, but I think the picture is starting to emerge as various services end up shutting down or being acquired. Facebook’s incentive to adopt OpenID is tenuous at best. They are 300M users strong and have enormous data capital. Why would they want to..."
- Chris Messina
It's Twitter's World: The Second, Parallel, Internet - http://www.louisgray.com/live...
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Louis, I think this is probably your best-written post yet. Well done, sir.
- Jesse Stay
with you Jesse this is LG's best. When is he going to write a book do you think? I want to read LG on the planes. I've seen all the movies. I've read all the papers. I want stuff like Parallel Internet in book form.
- Thomas Power
Starting to feel a little jealous after Thomas's post ;-)
- Jesse Stay
Hey Jesse why you jealous? cos' I've seen all the movies ...what can I say that's iTunes for you
- Thomas Power
really enjoyed this one! nice job, Louis
- Brian Hendrickson
Live now: This Week In Google 10 with Gina Trapani, Jeff Jarvis, Kevin Marks, and Marshall Kirkpatrick on Google Wave. http://live.twit.tv. Discuss here...
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I think it's safe to say... NO ONE ON THIS PROGRAM HAS ANY INVITES LEFT! Don't bother asking :P
- Johnny Worthington
PLLLLEEEEAAAAASSSSEEEE! ... lol j/k :D
- Danny Minick
Hahaha, Johnny!
- Haggis (Sean Loyless)
They're being throttled
- Johnny Worthington
LOL
- Roberto Bonini
Eventually I'll get mine. My early adopter twitch is twitching..
- Mike Lewis
Let's get going, really curious about your experiences with Wave!
- Jan Cifra
Still waiting as well.
- Roberto Bonini
I haven't heard a single positive thing about Wave yet. Still want to try it for myself, but it's interesting that there's so little positive buzz.
- Jeff Harbert
I can't wait to use GW. Still waiting for my invite to show up in my inbox.
- Danny Minick
woop woop woop
- ralphsaunders
Leo: Get Scoble on... :)
- Holger Eilhard
What's the wave for this show?
- Jérôme Flipo
Scoble would be great!!!!
- Roberto Bonini
I have been nominated for a wave invite... What the heck google, am i not good enough for you!
- ralphsaunders
I'd love to participate in the show's wave!
- Eric
FIOS would rock.
- Jeff Harbert
How can I get on one o' dem monitors someday... do I gotta be famous enough than i already r?
- Danny Minick
From what I have read (no invite yet) if I can run this on my own server for my 5 team members at work, THIS is the solution I have been looking for.
- Johnny Worthington
Also, Scoble missed the point. It's not social media or a broadcast medium. 100,000 would never be manageble team in any situation. Wave has power in small numbers. This beta is a free-for-all.
- Johnny Worthington
LOL @ Robert Scoble.
- Danny Minick
The API is where Wave is going to see some action, I think.
- Jeff Harbert
Johnny: "This beta is a free-for-all." Not so much at this moment :)
- Holger Eilhard
Johnny: you need to read my latest blog post: http://scobleizer.com
- Robert Scoble
I don't want to be on the show today. I haven't taken a shower yet. Heheh.
- Robert Scoble
Robert!!!!!!!!!!! hehe
- Roberto Bonini
C'mon Robert, it would be fun. Please? :D
- Danny Minick
Someone's phone is ringing.
- Jeff Harbert
Nah. I'm not answering the phone, it's downstairs.
- Robert Scoble
Robert please make use of the bold tag when you blog so people can see the sections of the post.
- ralphsaunders
I meant I heard a phone ringing in the background on TWiG.
- Jeff Harbert
Robert... I did... you still miss the point. The power comes from when I can run my own Wave server inside a corporation.
- Johnny Worthington
Heheh.
- Robert Scoble
How do you get to the real time 'chat room' style view for the TWIG friend feed? No wonder this site hasn't taken off, the learning curve is unbelievable
- Matt
Oh snap.
- Danny Minick
Leo, you gotta read my latest post where I take on the email metaphor of Google Wave and why Google Wave isn't productive.
- Robert Scoble
Wave is like an online whiteboard for web conferences.
- Jeff Harbert
Jeff: if you could lock it down to just people at the conference that might be useful.
- Robert Scoble
This, right here, what we are doing, is like Google Wave. LOL
- Danny Minick
Danny: exactly!
- Robert Scoble
Agreed, Robert.
- Jeff Harbert
But in my 5 member team at work, this will replace email for is
- Johnny Worthington
Only, Danny, this is better thought out and more mature (and faster, etc).
- Robert Scoble
Matt: Click on the timestamp or here: http://friendfeed.com/twit-co...
- Holger Eilhard
Google Wave is the new black. I mean FriendFeed.
- Jeff Harbert
True
- Roberto Bonini
Johnny: how will you lock out spam? Or others who find out about your account?
- Robert Scoble
LOL Jeff.
- Danny Minick
Jeff: LMAO.
- James Williams
Just had a problem with Wave: I opened a window to ping Leo asking to join the TWig Wave, but I decided not to bother him. Unfortunately, as I saw on the live video, it already had -- he saw a flashing ping window before I even started typing! (I decided to type out a message at that point, seeing as it had already appeared on his screen.)
- Eric Geller
Can you run your own Wave server? wave.google.com isn't the only place this will exist
- Johnny Worthington
Jeff summed it up well
- ralphsaunders
Yes you can johnny
- Roberto Bonini
It's an email/wiki mashup.
- invariant - farewell FF
By the way, how do I join the Twig wave?
- Robert Scoble
And therefore can control the people in your instance?
- Johnny Worthington
Johnny: the federation source is out there but it might not be complete.
- James Williams
give it a smack down... no idea
- ralphsaunders
what's your wave email robert?
- Leo Laporte
Im not good enough for googles wave apparently
- ralphsaunders
We're on the Wave for this show at https://wave.google.com/wave...
- Jérôme Flipo
LOL, I'm still just trying to join Google Wave. Dang invite still isn't here yet.
- Danny Minick
I'm pretty sure I'm scobleizer@googlewave.com
- Robert Scoble
If I can run my own instance, and control l those who go into it. NO SPAM.
- Johnny Worthington
I think you guys are missing the point. Wave is not a replacement for email it's a new solution to an old problem - how do I communicate efficiently with people around the world?
- Jan Cifra
added roberrt
- Leo Laporte
Jan: and there it is an unproductive one at the moment.
- Robert Scoble
Leo! :D
- Danny Minick
speaking of spam, is this a good place to shill for an invite?
- Gabe
I agree but it's not final
- Jan Cifra
See the first comment, Gabe.
- Danny Minick
Gabe: Nope
- Roberto Bonini
Gabe invites seem to take a week anyway T_T
- ralphsaunders
;) thanks Danny
- Gabe
Plus, I can create my own BBS style Wave instance. I could create my own server and add people who have similar interests
- Johnny Worthington
Gabe: even if it were you won't get the invite soon anyway.
- Robert Scoble
Eek! http://is.gd/3UYZQ
- ralphsaunders
Anybody really got an account based on a recommendation?
- Holger Eilhard
Yeah I'm on day 3 waiting for an invite. TheHenry sent me one 3 days ago. >.<
- Danny Minick
This is a business app
- Johnny Worthington
TWiG is quickly becoming one of the most respected podcasts on the net after a few episodes
- Mark
This is an app for tight groups
- Johnny Worthington
Google must be doing something right to get their own segment on TWiT network. LOL
- Danny Minick
Gina speaks so fast my brain can't keep up ><
- ralphsaunders
Seems to me like we're thinking of Wave in terms of every other open social media app out there. Like here in FriendFeed, or Twitter, or even email.
- Jeff Harbert
Doesn't wave cover the email paradigm well? Especially if you consider the federation/protocol part?
- Jan Cifra
Big 3: Google, Microsoft, Apple, not maybe in that order. So deserves its TWIT show
- Mark
Leo, can you talk about running your own Wave server. That would solve a lot of the issues with noise and unwanted people
- Johnny Worthington
Where's Marshall?
- Debi Jones
if yahoo gets big again there will be This Week In Search hehe
- Mark
How do you permanently hide/delete a wave?
- Robert Scoble
Skype permissions problem with Marshall
- Roberto Bonini
Good topic and good panelists.. TWiG is a winner
- Matt
Mark: haha
- John Atkinson
stil waiting for my wave invite, wish i knew what was being talked about here
- Tate DA FF MVP
What about a This Week in Bing. TWiB. Haha.
- Danny Minick
Now I really understand why FriendFeed didn't add multi-level threading.
- Robert Scoble
Mark, thats what the Gilmour Gang was
- ralphsaunders
Danny, as Mark pointed out and Leo has stated... Apple and MS are both essentially platforms or ecosystems, as is Google... so it makes sense and just as in his other shows, the content isn't alwayslimited to google
- Gabe
Unlike Twitter you have to have other people who are already engaged to use Wave, so it will start as a business / org app
- Matt
the smartest people in the world are on the TWiT network ;)
- Mark
Hisham... but if it's free?
- Johnny Worthington
Interesting insights related to #2010web and where Wave plays in Enterprise 2.0 in this post http://bit.ly/1amVOO
- Alberto Saavedra
A good use for Wave would be for the TWiT shows. You can pause the live stream and it will buffer from where you left off but the Friendfeed room moves on so you are behind the chat and have no idea what is being talked about. Could make a wave client for TWiT shows so you can "playback" what you missed in synch with the video stream.
- Mark
Btw can you sort Waves based on contacts? The "Inbox" UI seems very confusing if you consider you could have hundreds of contacts - it could get messy.
- Jan Cifra
Hisham: If you have ever seen a successful wiki implementation, at work for example, the knowledge capture is amazing. I can see Wave taking this to the next level - especially the real time component.
- Marshall Huwe
lol "Wave'd"
- Danny Minick
My boss
- Johnny Worthington
Jan: Not sure about sorting but you can search with "from:username" like in Gmail I believe
- James Williams
Remember how they used the word 'wave' in Firefly? I wonder if that's where the Wave team got the name.
- Jeff Harbert
Gina, that would rock, seriously.
- Jeff Harbert
Gina, that sounds like a Wave implementation of A Tiny Thread:
- Gabe
Jeff: my guess is yes because the error messages in the sandbox are something kaylee says. Something about "shiny Cap'n"
- James Williams
James: Neat, I didn't know that.
- Jeff Harbert
Oh I am so prank phone calling Leo.
- Danny Minick
Danny: pwned ;)
- Holger Eilhard
Shame thats not his real number eh danny ;)
- John Atkinson
I know guys. That's the joke. LMAO
- Danny Minick
WOW... this is cool
- Johnny Worthington
o.O
- Kevin Nunez
Is he trying out the conference gadget ?(not watching currently)
- James Williams
gTalk/Google Voice intergration...
- Johnny Worthington
I can see that being very useful. One on one online coaching, multi-city conferences...
- Jeff Harbert
That'll be good, when the rest of us can get gvoice accounts too :)
- Simon Wicks
IT'S FREE
- Johnny Worthington
I wonder how long it will take for the voice transcription in Google Voice to make it into wave
- Gabe
It's the Ribbit Conference Gadget.
- James Williams
I have Google Voice. So I hope I get Google Wave too as well.
- Danny Minick
This sounds like all colleges would replace its whiteboards with this, what will it cost, if any??
- Rick
Now THAT gave us a taste of what will be cool about Google Wave. But they never should have pitched it as a "new email."
- Robert Scoble
At university we have used wave to take notes at lectures, and by using it we can share thoughts of it and sound files from the lecture feks
- Devlin
It would be more interesting if voice dialog transcribed into conference - who said what
- notagolfer
Gabe, probably the same time it takes the transcription currently.
- Jeff Harbert
Wave *MIGHT* be an excellent tool for education. Unfortunately, I don't have access to it. Hope that Google will give all their Google Apps for Edu accounts access to it right away.
- Rom Feria
Anyone need an invite? I'll give out 3 of mine. Warning, it seems to take a while (days) for them to go out.
- invariant - farewell FF
YES
- Simon Wicks
Robert, they were trying to put it in context of existing services. That was a mistake.
- Jeff Harbert
Yes
- notagolfer
please me
- Rick
It will replace email for my team.
- Johnny Worthington
farewell FF, I'd love an invite!
- Jeff Harbert
Kevin is the smartest guy on the GG and now on TWiG
- Mark
Jeff, I meant before google integrates it into wave... unless it already is?
- Gabe
"Remember how they used the word 'wave' in Firefly? I wonder if that's where the Wave team got the name." That would be pretty funny, Jeff Harbert.
- Matt Cutts
Gabe, dunno if it's currently integrated or not.
- Jeff Harbert
@Hisham: do you have patients? do you do research? do you have staff? do you have peers? Don't know your situation obviously, but I can see lots of opportunity for knowledge capture, realtime collaboration, etc.
- Marshall Huwe
Ok, Simon Wicks, notagolfer, Rick and +1 for Jeff Harbert: I'll follow you, DM me an email address to use.
- invariant - farewell FF
thank you!
- notagolfer
farewell FF - sweet, thanks!
- Jeff Harbert
Ribbit gadget it's really useful, imagine if TWiG can be segmented in episodes and each segment is a threaded wave, it will be easier for people that were not able to follow it in realtime, catch-up with the content/comments generated
- Alberto Saavedra
hi @mattcutts, you should invite @jewelstaithe to Wave...
- Kevin Marks
Thats an interesting Q's, how will Google integrate this into all its other Apps
- Rick
is scoble the only one not excited about Wave ?
- Mark
Here is why it will replace email. I send back and forth 6 emails about a subject to a person on my team. hen we have to bring someone else in on the conversation. They then have 12 emails to read before they catch up.
- Johnny Worthington
Mark: Re: Kevin Marks...And he's a really cool, laid back, and approachable in person.
- James Williams
Mark: no, I've gotten hundreds of replies from people who don't get it either.
- Robert Scoble
why is "Leo Laporte Makes $1" a trending topic on twitter???????????????
- Mark
Thanks very much farewell FF :)
- Simon Wicks
@ribbit could add transcription of the calls into the wave, but there is a lag to do it
- Kevin Marks
Mark: see Mashable. Leo gave a talk at the Online News Association earlier today where he announced that his revenues are more than a million a year.
- Robert Scoble
re: ribbit gadget transcription: And it doesn't like some British accents ;)
- James Williams
Holy crap he is rich!
- Mark
James: agreed. Kevin is a great guy.
- Robert Scoble
He's rich!?
- Danny Minick
Mark: out of that he pays seven people. But the Mashable article showed his costs are $350,000 a year.
- Robert Scoble
And the hosts
- Johnny Worthington
Holy crap he is moderatley well off! :D
- Mark
@Kevin Marks: that's pretty cool, and will make it more useful for business - keep people from saying stupid stuff :)
- notagolfer
I think Wave's usefulness is directly related to how many people you know that you need to collaborate with and how net saavy they are
- Matt
I wonder how/if Wave is going to impact SXSWi next year.
- Jeff Harbert
Here's the link to Leo's ONA speech: http://paidcontent.org/article...
- Holger Eilhard
Wow over $1million profit in a year after paying his staff!
- Mark
Jeff: Not much I think. It'll be just another place to check. But that could change if Android/iPhone gets a native client with a slick interface.
- James Williams
Not profit, Mark. Leo's statement was $350 K in costs and $1.5 mil in revenue.
- Debi Jones
Will wave.google.com be the only instance?
- Johnny Worthington
Invites seem to be very slow at present
- Quentin Stafford-Fraser
What will this cost for colleges to use for their white board system?
- Rick
LEO!!!!!!! NOT FAIR.
- Danny Minick
Not everyone will use wave.google.com in the future
- Johnny Worthington
I am happy Leo is making loads of money because he spends tens of thousands a year on new equipment for the studio :D
- Mark
I dont think they are immediate. If im not mistaken the invites are manual
- Kashif Khan
Not sure if $350 is total costs. That was for the network.
- Debi Jones
Johnny: I'm fairly certain that you can host your own wave
- tytycoon
Danny: Life is not fair. :)
- Kevin Nunez
Yup - a friend sent me one a couple of days ago and it hasn't arrived yet
- Quentin Stafford-Fraser
Yer not fair, Nunez. :P
- Danny Minick
I know.
- Kevin Nunez
when is Google Wave coming invites Gmail users ?
- Michael Holzinger
the more money Leo makes the more likely we will have a new studio for TWiT Live soon with 480p stream and downloadable videos and more camera angles and new shows
- Mark
Quentin: same here. 3 nominations incoming, no sign from Google...
- Holger Eilhard
Yeah, I'd say.
- Danny Minick
Kevin Marks: hi there! I'd happy invite @jewelstaite but I'm out of invites, and I'm guessing she's busy with lots of other things. :)
- Matt Cutts
Innovation needs promotion. Ashton and Oprah aren't here yet
- Johnny Worthington
Follow @larsras and @twephanie on twitter for updates regarding invites and stuff for Wave
- Kashif Khan
we care about wave but Tech Guy audience radio doesn't
- Mark
Do you watch TWiT or listen to TWiT?
- Debi Jones
listen
- Kevin Nunez
That wasn't Matt, that was me!
- Jeff Harbert
I watch live every day and use ODTV if I miss shows
- Mark
And then you can control your users to avoid the flood
- Johnny Worthington
@Mark, what's the ODTV url?
- notagolfer
notagolfer: odtv.me
- Holger Eilhard
thank you!
- notagolfer
Johnny: Let's figure out the user exp first before they make it mainstream. Wave doesn't fit their model where they choose to broadcast but not engage.
- James Williams
James: Additionally it creates a hype... It's all like Gmail again :)
- Holger Eilhard
Usually if I miss a show, I keep watching live.twit.tv, I like serendipity of it :)
- notagolfer
How about live streaming in a Wave? That could revolutionize TWiT.
- Jeff Harbert
but I bet within a year or two TWiT live has 480p streaming and downloads
- Mark
But if I run my own server... Can't I control who joins?
- Johnny Worthington
mark - sooner than that
- Leo Laporte
Jeff: I would think so, I've seen group viewing in a wave (start/stop/ff/rewind of videos was synchronized and allowed video comments)
- James Williams
RSSCloud too don't forget
- Mark
What's the current resolution of TWIT?
- tytycoon
@Leo: will it those videos be available on Roku only, or I can watch them on XBox as well?
- notagolfer
Leo will there be one day an official goggle wave server for the TWiT community?
- Mark
xbox, yahoo tvs, iphone, etc etc.
- Leo Laporte
Smilar to how we have our own twitter at Army.twit.tv
- Mark
BitGravity stream is 640x360...
- Holger Eilhard
Leo, awesome, and thank you for doing that
- notagolfer
soon as we can Mark
- Leo Laporte
Thanks, Holger
- tytycoon
Leo: are your streams working on Ustream's iPhone app? Someone was asking about that.
- Robert Scoble
So I can have my own hosted BSS style Wave Server. Controlled, on topic and sharing
- Johnny Worthington
yes robert - we're one of the recommended iphone ustream feeds
- Leo Laporte
Robert, yes
- Johnny Worthington
Robert: They are I've watched it on Ustream's Iphone client
- tytycoon
Yup they work, but they buffer a lot. At least on my iphone
- Roberto Bonini
works surprisingly well - even on 3g
- Leo Laporte
Oh cool. Guess I can reinstall the ustream app then...
- Holger Eilhard
it buffers only one or two times an hour for me on my home wifi-n
- Mark
I can't imagine using it on 3g; I've been using Wifi
- tytycoon
thanks for clearing some stuff up - love the 'signed' address idea!
- Leonieke Aalders
tytycoon: probably not so good on AT&T's 3G ;-)
- Holger Eilhard
twit.am buffers for me on 3g lol, 64K a second or something
- Mark
Is there a UStream app for the Blackberry?
- Jeff Harbert
Cool! I was using the iPhone app to watch the Twitter Conference. It worked pretty well, but some times dropped (on AT&T's 3G).
- Robert Scoble
Jeff: yeah, buy an iPhone. :-)
- Robert Scoble
I'm on Roger's in Canada.
- tytycoon
Also, in a social media sense, there is now a space free from Facebook style ToS
- Johnny Worthington
And with that I've gotta run, great show.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: I had an iPhone. I need a real keyboard.
- Jeff Harbert
It's not as bad dropped-calls-wise. But is very expensive
- tytycoon
See ya Scoble! :)
- Danny Minick
I'm amazed by Leo & Robert's ability to manage three conversations in realtime on Wave, Friendfeed, Twit.tv, etc.
- Jérôme Flipo
Later Robert!
- Jeff Harbert
Jerome: drugs! :-)
- Robert Scoble
ADD helps doing that :)
- notagolfer
More specifically: caffeine!
- Robert Scoble
Robert: I don't need caffeine to feed my ADD ;-)
- Holger Eilhard
and one for TWiT - screw Huffington post!
- Mark
I need the stimulation to keep from falling asleep. ;-)
- Leo Laporte
... in 1 place
- Johnny Worthington
Leo and Robert have lots of big screen to look at
- Kevin Marks
14 screens right now and one more coming.
- Leo Laporte
will future wave users pick&choose what they want, and not be inundated by all that is on offer?
- Leonieke Aalders
you have to come to the cottage Kevin.
- Leo Laporte
Leo: And here I am thinking about getting a third 22" monitor.
- Jeff Harbert
Hehe, I can barely handle the 4 monitors here.
- Andrew Euell
22" how quaint
- Mark
Leo: I love the irony of you calling it a cottage but have 14 screens.
- James Williams
I would love to come to the cottage as well. But I'm in Kansas. Lame.
- Danny Minick
I should plug my TV into the Mac while I'm doing this at home...
- Kevin Marks
Gmail new feature http://mail.google.com/support... (not a fan)
- Jérôme Flipo
Does having more monitors really improve your productivity?
- tytycoon
Mark: It's the sweet spot for pricing. Quite a bit less $$$ than 24".
- Jeff Harbert
Oh Leo was your father on radio in Providence?
- Andrew Euell
I'm loving how Jeff Jarvis is thinking about the X PRIZE model for collaborative innovation. Here's his post on the subject he just discussed http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009... We're really trying to get that thought process out there.
- Mark Krynsky
When im coding at work, multiple monitors are awesome !!!
- Kashif Khan
tytycoon: It does for me.
- Jeff Harbert
tytycoon yes i personally think that having 2 monitors does increase productivity
- John Atkinson
Mark: I had dual 24s at my last job. My 22s at home feel almost the same.
- Jeff Harbert
can you get full HD resolution on any monitors smaller than 30" ?
- Mark
2560x1600
- Mark
Mark: My 24 Dell has 1920x1280... which is more than full HD :-)
- Holger Eilhard
well I mean super full HD then
- Mark
I have a 23" LCD in my living room that does 1080p.
- Jeff Harbert
2560x1600
- Mark
22" monitor + magnifying glass
- Preternat (Ken Cadby)
Wave is the back end
- Johnny Worthington
Kevin is right. I'm excited about having my news curated by my social graph. Here's a service that is providing that info based on links created by who I follow on Twitter http://www.twittertim.es/krynsky
- Mark Krynsky
New on TWiT - This Week in Wave!
- Jeff Harbert
I like that. A DNS for knowledge.
- Roberto Bonini
my 20" monitors are 1600x1080
- Danny Minick
one thing that Wave is really good for is setting up quickie impromptu polls during a taping.
- James Williams
Welcome to the Social
- Johnny Worthington
Jeff Jarvis Loves that Bit.ly stat
- tytycoon
My first Wave widget will probably be called Marcel :-) http://tinyurl.com/yc7ym23
- Quentin Stafford-Fraser
1" monitor + microscope
- Preternat (Ken Cadby)
you don't need microscope, they include spare set of eyes
- notagolfer
What's the URL for Every, the company in Seattle, WA who looks for their stories through Twitter?
- shelter watch
surely bit.ly shouldn't be in the referrer if they are 301ing correctly? @mattcutts?
- Kevin Marks
Thanks Gina... awesome
- Johnny Worthington
That's really cool; I didn't know it was free for individuals and small buisness users
- tytycoon
Excellent tip about using Gmail to host a private domain mail account. Here's the link http://smarterware.org/3628...
- Mark Krynsky
Bring Henry
- shelter watch
WoW Economics 101
- Johnny Worthington
yeah that "Old Pakistan" comment didnt compute here either
- Kashif Khan
I find that by the end of this show I always have a million links open from both the chat and the show. What do you folks use to organize these things? Read it later? http://www.ideashower.com/ideas...
- tytycoon
Oh gosh, Dvorak was right about Bing, Yahoo and Google... :)
- Holger Eilhard
Mmm, new metrics..
- Matt Cutts
Or something better?
- tytycoon
I like the Brit's explanation the best .. Google Wave is lots of "little bits". LOL
- BLOGBloke
1+1 not necessarily equals 2 :)
- Holger Eilhard
Johnny better lesson than high school econ classes?
- Andrew Euell
May be people are tired of Bing's ads
- notagolfer
tytycoon - Instapaper.com is good or create a readitlater tag for Delicious or another social bookmarking service.
- Mark Krynsky
We're just serving it up on a silver platter for Leo and the gang to talk about. :)
- Matt Cutts
Mark Pilgrim does 'this week in HTML5' http://blog.whatwg.org/categor...
- Kevin Marks
I believe the Google toolbelt launched in May, before Bing did their redesign/relaunch.
- Matt Cutts
Mark Krynsky: Thanks; I'll try that out.
- tytycoon
Bing...those commercials creep me out.
- James Williams
http://ribbit.com/wave for more info about Ribbit on Wave and a link to our API specs
- Kevin Marks
Great show! Glad that Jeff is doing well, too.
- Matt Cutts
Glad I caught TWiG this week!
- Jeff Harbert
Thanks Leo! Great show!
- Holger Eilhard
Nice show
- notagolfer
Excellent show
- John Atkinson
This Show always makes me happy! Thanks Leo!
- tytycoon
They're gonna be saying the same thing about Google Wave like they did Twitter - "So what the hell is this thing anyway?"
- BLOGBloke
when is the video going up?
- James Williams
Leo, you can leave a cardboard cutout of you - live from Dubai :)
- notagolfer
I'll do the show!
- Jeff Harbert
video always takes an hour or two to trim and post
- Kevin Marks
Thanks everybody, great as usual! This thread looks far better here than in Wave, actually (a huge mess).
- Jérôme Flipo
Leo, do you need to do an ad for this show?
- Johnny Worthington
Nice one Johnny....perhaps a PSA for FFundercats?
- Mark Krynsky
Nah... we're good :)
- Johnny Worthington
lol
- Danny Minick
I'm out. Thanks everyone!
- Jeff Harbert
But did that include paying hosts?
- Johnny Worthington
Awesome...congrats Leo.
- Mark Krynsky
Yeah last time you trended it was about the whole Palm Pre Arrington thing. ROFL
- Danny Minick
thx Kevin.
- James Williams
Can I guard the TWiT War Chest?
- Johnny Worthington
Maybe the IRS will read that you only make $1 per year and adjust your 1040 accordingly!
- shelter watch
You're not menacing enough sans beard Johnny.
- Mark Krynsky
Mo' Money, Mo' Money, Mo' Money.
- Danny Minick
The good thing about GoToMeeting... the other person doesn't need to know how to use stuff like Wave... which will be an issue :)
- Johnny Worthington
I used GoToMeeting for tech support for my family; that twig free trial came in handy
- tytycoon
I miss the Gilmor Gang being here.
- Debi Jones
I use GoToMeeting with Chris Pirillo once in a while.
- Danny Minick
Nice! Not just changing communication, but access to it
- Johnny Worthington
Anyone have a wave invite they're willing to part with? After all this, I feel left out of the whole thing.
- tytycoon
When and how will you grow your programming/content offers, Leo?
- Debi Jones
All this in 18 minutes? Will we be able to watch it online after you've given your speech?
- shelter watch
Doesn't TED post all their stories online at ted.com
- tytycoon
tytycoon if you just can't wait, some people are selling invites on ebay.
- Debi Jones
I'll take a look at that, Debi
- tytycoon
TED has a youtube channel.
- Debi Jones
Let us know we all follow you on twitter
- Rick
Did you have to sign a contract since you're doing it pro bono?
- shelter watch
i saw an invite on ebay for $30 a couple days ago
- Preternat (Ken Cadby)
Tummel Talk pilot was a great show Leo
- John Atkinson
nothing like gmail invites years ago
- Preternat (Ken Cadby)
Leo, do you plan on going to BlogWorld after you return from Dubai?
- Mark Krynsky
How about This Week in Philanthropy? How to use the Internet & social media for fund raising, etc.
- shelter watch
Will you ever do a show or shows for enterprise tech?
- Debi Jones
Leo - loved today's show - too bad I don't have an invite to Google Wave. Their product launches suck.
- joebrooks
I like it. I can't always watch live being here in Oz
- Johnny Worthington
Get Cranky Geeks?
- Rick
Yeah need TWiT on demand.
- Debi Jones
Debi, iTunes offers that.
- Mark Krynsky
And TWiT will soon
- Johnny Worthington
Thanks Mark would prefer on demand through browser.
- Debi Jones
Fantastic. I look forward to seeing you there. Streaming to HT set top boxes will be great. I'm enjoying PlayOn on my PS3
- Mark Krynsky
Will you be dressing up for the Oct 31st Twig?
- joebrooks
joebrooks their launches are like the usual marketing-driven, mass-hoopla ones in the industry
- Preternat (Ken Cadby)
er, *aren't
- Preternat (Ken Cadby)
If you search ted.com for tedx, They do have a few talks from that conference, so hopefully you'll come through on that, Leo
- tytycoon
Leo have you sorted your guests for your Windows 7 Launch Party?
- John Atkinson
Leo you mentioned partnering to distribute content? Have you considered CNET Live, like syndicating their shows?
- Andrew Euell
It's 9am here :)
- Johnny Worthington
are you doing any talkshoe anymore Leo?
- Matthew
I got up early on Sunday
- Johnny Worthington
hey im watching on a ps3 now looks awesome
- aaron
Debi, you can get TwiT on demand from a browser. Here's a link to the latest one http://twit.tv/twit
- Mark Krynsky
Leo would like to talk to you someday about a show that would be a good fit for the network.
- Debi Jones
Cool. Thanks, Mark!
- Debi Jones
anyone have a link to Jeff's data on Google up Bing down?
- Moose
Can we have a camera strapped to Ozzy? :P
- Johnny Worthington
Not all operators allow tethering.
- Debi Jones
for Moose: http://gs.statcounter.com/press...
- Derek Chilcoat
ok to be hated by the right people
- Preternat (Ken Cadby)
(whoops, sorry)
- Preternat (Ken Cadby)
Thanx Derek!
- Moose
Seriously, who could hate Leo. He's warm and fuzzy.
- Debi Jones
np :)
- Derek Chilcoat
people that hate warm & fuzzy
- Preternat (Ken Cadby)
Hae you tried Nimbuzz?
- Debi Jones
how long does it take you to go from this live stream to the audio that you put out over youtube?
- tytycoon
Leo, last week I got myself a yoga ball chair... and I fell off it: http://friendfeed.com/jworthi...
- Johnny Worthington
too slow
- Ron Hudson
Leo, have you ever tried to Skype with someone who is in China for the live stream? Wonder if there would be any network issues doing a stream from China.
- Debi Jones
Tease: Today on TWiG: wave wave and nothing but wave. Marshal Kirkpatrick, Kevin Marks, join our rgulars Gina Trapani and Jeff Jarvis to take a look at Google Wave. Everything's shiny captain, This Week In Google is coming up next
- Leo Laporte
No wonder you have so many hats in your studio. You had to wear them all!
- shelter watch
Watched your ONA speech, it was excellent. Makes me wonder why you're not on more tech conference speaker rosters?
- Debi Jones
That is pretty epic data transfers with the flash drives. Did you ever have any problems with backing up? have you ever lost a show?
- tytycoon
Josh and I use dropbox and we take turns each week to edit. Juggling time for that with family and work is tough
- Johnny Worthington
I think Fibre Chanel for just a few stations is VERY over rated. ISCSI or NFS is quite enough if properly designed, and a fraction of the cost.
- kevin
I love dropbox. I use it for everything
- tytycoon
Leo, I was wondering if you should have single 'After Hours' post on twit-conversations so we don't fill show threads with off-topic chat
- Johnny Worthington
I thought you were moving to a storefront?
- shelter watch
This cottage looks so much nicer than what I imagine a storefront would be
- tytycoon
That's a lovely, historic location that you are in now. I love architecture history.
- shelter watch
Business... YOU'RE DOING IT RIGHT
- Johnny Worthington
Nice tradeoff for your organization: venture capital vs. a lot more discretion for you.
- shelter watch
Remember the Dave Ramsey rule of 3-6months overhead in the bank!
- Rick
Oh god, that sounds horrible
- tytycoon
in exchange for plugging carbonite do they give you free backup for twit?
- tytycoon
They always say to do something for work that you would do for free if you had to because you LOVE it.
- shelter watch
Your radio show is "the tech guy", right?
- tytycoon
Passion is a good thing
- Johnny Worthington
Spend an extra 10% rather than another 100%
- Johnny Worthington
Johnny good idea for after hours thread.
- Debi Jones
The clock behind Leo shows when it's live.
- Allen Christensen
That's a good point, Allen
- tytycoon
I still watched every day :)
- Johnny Worthington
But I see it as a Call For Help type if show so it fits with TWiT... I like listening when I have listened to everything else
- Johnny Worthington
anything special planned for the dubai radio show?
- tytycoon
Leo, how about this week in Linux?
- Ron Hudson
Calacanis
- Johnny Worthington
isn't FLOSS kind of like that?
- tytycoon
Can GW invites be purchased on Ebay like Google Voice?
- Johann Diaz
from Nambu
Ya I guess, but it needs linux in the name lol
- Ron Hudson
Yeah, but they're about $30, johann
- tytycoon
Thanks Leo.
- Johnny Worthington
Leo I wouldn't worry if Ozzy isn't over weight. Duck does have alot of fat though.
- Debi Jones
Thanks, Leo. Have a good night
- tytycoon
Lololololol, no invites left heh
- Johann Diaz
from Nambu
I quess $30 is nit bad if you can actually use this to be productive. Thanks tytycoon
- Johann Diaz
from Nambu
Finally getting a chance to listen to this... Just to clarify, Wave is not really extension to XMPP per se. The federation protocol between Wave servers is XMPP based, but the client-server communication (in this case the communication between your browser and the Wave server) isn't using XMPP. I believe that at the moment it's a proprietary format for exchanging JSON. There's some discussion both on Wave and in Google Groups about standardization, but it's distinct from server-server federation right now.
- Ken Sheppardson
I've created a wave for upcoming TWIG 12, feel free to join if you have a wave account... https://wave.google.com/wave...
- Jörg Reinhardt
Heard of auction site Swoopo? Users buy "bids" in advance, then can bid on items. Result is low winning bids (e.g. $10 for widescreen LCD).
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It's not a good thing.
- Louis Gray
Agreed, not good.
- Matt Cutts
from iPhone
It's most odd. There's a complex set of economics and game theory going on there.
- Hutch Carpenter
It's flat out gambling!
- Antonio Yon
Interesting, but it seems like you pay even if you don't get the item. Nice racket, I guess, but I won't be using it.
- Otto
It's an elaborate variation of a dollar auction. I wonder how long they will last.
- ǝuǝƃnǝ
5 Advanced Social Media Marketing Strategies for Small Businesses - http://mashable.com/2009...
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@gr2t Nice job on Reader2Twitter - uses pubsubhubbub to push Google Reader shares to Twitter. http://reader2twitter.appspot.com
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I share about 15 items a day in Google Reader. This would overwhelm my tweets.
- Phillip Stewart
Phillip, if you thought people were interested, you could set up a separate account. Mine is here: http://www.twitter.com/lgshare...
- Louis Gray
Louis, thanks for the tip, but I don't see the point if it is already pretty easy to "follow" people for Google Reader users. Isn't this link as easy to give someone has a twitter account: http://www.google.com/reader...
- Phillip Stewart
Phil, my guidance is always to provide your content wherever people want to be. If people prefer Twitter, give them your content on Twitter. The new rules for conversation and marketing is be where they want you to be, not where you tell them to.
- Louis Gray
I like that Louis. I may quote you on that.
- tomit
Trying out right now. Looks really nice.
- Ignacio Rodriguez de R,
Another option is to use the tag feature. Each tag you have in Reader you can expose as a separate feed. That feed is also PubSubHubbub enabled. So you could only retweet when you apply that tag to an item.
- Brett Slatkin
Not sure if reader2twitter supports those tag feed URLs though.
- Brett Slatkin
Why not just do "Send to Twitter" if you're going to do it on a post-by-post basis?
- Jesse Stay
Depends on how many clicks you like to make? I dunno
- Brett Slatkin
if you go with the solution to send to twitter only items that have a specific tag, you could use twitterfeed.
- George Moga
Gillmor Gang 09.24.09 - http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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Great episode and casting! A lot of good info on pubsubhubbub. I'm not missing the Calacanis Gang at all.
- scott anderson
Ah Yes! This episode reminds me why I started listening
- Michael Thomas
Where Is the Real-Time Web Message Bus? - http://www.socialmedian.com/story...
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brett: 25 Twitter Apps to Manage Multiple Accounts - http://bit.ly/4tcqm - http://twitter.com/brett...
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... or 1 app to manage 25 Twitter personas :-)
- Mindaugas Dagys
Gillmor Gang recording live 1PM Pacific http://www.building43.com/realtim...
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If it's Thursday, it must be the Gillmor Gang.
- Cliff Gerrish
Looking forward to it
- Kevin Marks
+1 for MG joining GG
- Mike Doeff
Nice. Welcome MG
- Ken Sheppardson
thanks guys
- MG Siegler
Ditto that.
- Karoli
And in the room at the same time. Crazy ;-)
- Ken Sheppardson
Glad to have the GG back!
- Colin
yes, good to see you, MG
- Kevin Marks
in black and white even!
- MG Siegler
Maybe Saturday for the baby, Robert? Here's hoping all goes well!
- Robert J Taylor
social media is dead, huh? wonder how he feels about the public option. :D
- Karoli
you should invite @caro on Gillmor Gang, Steve - she'd be great
- Kevin Marks
I wish Facebook allowed multiple accounts on threadly
- earl wallace
a design comment on this page: If the rackspace sponsor icon were above the video screen, the friendfeed discussion would line up with the video better.
- Karoli
thanks Karoli...will look into it
- Tina Chase Gillmor
we lost Scoble...Robert call back in!
- Tina Chase Gillmor
That happens every day. See failwhale
- Ken Sheppardson
Seth has a point.
- Antonella Stellacci
Sorry -went out of channel: @Karoli - working on a new site version/update. I've considered that issue as well. Thanks!
- Rob La Gesse
What a great looking show.
- Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
What's critical mass these days? How many users have to be using a service for it to be taken seriously?
- Ken Sheppardson
So maybe the next big thing is "None of the Above", i.e. lots of small site that don't necessarily have a large userbase.
- Ken Sheppardson
Robert's back on the line. we're bringing him back up
- Tina Chase Gillmor
User centric vs site/document-centric ala http://www.arcticstartup.com/2009...
- Ken Sheppardson
hi Tina no see long time!
- earl wallace
hello Earl & everyone
- Tina Chase Gillmor
jet overhead!
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Posterous just launched customization. Nice.
- Ken Sheppardson
I agree with MG. Google does'nt seem to get the gist of social media
- earl wallace
Same view, Google isn't moving fast enough.
- Colin
Trying to tweet the show URL and my tweet won't go out..can someone help?
- Tina Chase Gillmor
I want to try threadsy...I think I'll like it
- Tina Chase Gillmor
threadsy wont let me bring in my different private and public Facebook accounts
- earl wallace
going to have to catch this on the rerun...kid issues override all today. Hopefully resolved soon. Thanks, all.
- Karoli
That doesn't mean everybody wants to do that, Robert.
- Ken Sheppardson
talked to women about sharing your location with everyone, robert?
- Kevin Marks
yeah, pretty much everyone i talk to isnt ready for that yet
- MG Siegler
It would be easy for FourSquare to integrate Facebook contacts
- Jesse Stay
eventually it will be the norm, but in no way are people ready for that yet
- MG Siegler
Just a few lines of code - copy and paste mostly
- Jesse Stay
I'll bet you 99.9% of the population of the US doesn't want their location published.
- Ken Sheppardson
1000 followers isn't publishing your GPS location
- Ken Sheppardson
and there has been no location-based incident yet, but sadly we all know it's going to happen
- MG Siegler
they want their location published to some people, not to everyone
- Kevin Marks
No, I'm not, Robert
- Ken Sheppardson
Kevin: You realize all your comments here are going out as tweet? (Just checking)
- Ken Sheppardson
Facebook Connect integration would make that easy - you can import their friend lists, choose to publish to only those friends, etc.
- Jesse Stay
I thought you just said "everyone", Robert
- Ken Sheppardson
Ken- I agree. There are some less than savory characters I want to give the opportunity of finding me
- earl wallace
Lost video/audio
- Ken Sheppardson
wow robert is pissed
- MG Siegler
refreshed page and it cam back
- Robert J Taylor
hold onfolks... something went down
- Tina Chase Gillmor
yep. refreshed here too
- Ken Sheppardson
get back up
- Tina Chase Gillmor
For me, I'll be much more selective about who I share my location with. And I'm not likely to send a friend request for a location-based system to someone who I haven't met and consider a "real life" friend.
- Mike Doeff
works again
- Ken Sheppardson
guys, has scoble been saying we should share our location or something ?
- Mark
The evidence to me that we're on the path to everybody becoming Scoble one day will be the existence of a second person like Scoble :-)
- Ken Sheppardson
geez... weird. Think ustream is messing up
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Tina -is there an audio stream url to listen on VLC?
- earl wallace
No video. :(
- Otto
video down hard again
- Ken Sheppardson
I don't mind having my location known if I am in a public place, but I sure don't want that at home.
- Francine Hardaway
we're still here...show continues but seems like there is a ustream problem
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Trying to watch this is a real chore, and I love you all
- Francine Hardaway
video up!
- earl wallace
Back up!
- Robert J Taylor
It's back up, refresh.
- 321
I share my location via BrightKite to my friends, and I use Navizon on my jailbroke iPhone to update a map on my Facebook page every 10 minutes. Kinda fun.
- Otto
A friend of mine built out a calendar tool for FB: http://wezaggle.com that delegates well
- Kevin Marks
aaaaaand we're back
- Mike Doeff
our audience is SO awesome
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Fire Eagle enables the sharing of location between services quite well.
- Otto
Have to agree with Scoble on the sharing capabilities of things like Foursquare ... not worried about the privacy issue at all
- Robert J Taylor
Fun, Otto, but you really don't want people knowing where you live. I have been stalked and it's scary
- Francine Hardaway
Francine: The only people that can see my location are people I know. I don't friend people on social sites if I don't know them. Facebook especially.
- Otto
I use Foursquare. But once again not in mmy home
- Francine Hardaway
I've had people (on FriendFeed and my blog) threaten me and my family. Since then I'm very careful revealing my location. I want control - I think utilizing Facebook privacy controls is the best way to do this.
- Jesse Stay
BrightKite offers a neat feature to make specific locations more private than others, so you can use it at home, but only your BrightKite Friends can see it (as opposed to the world)
- Otto
Francine, you tweet your location out a lot...I hate the whole idea of letting folks know where I am in real time unless there's some purpose in that notification.
- Karoli
But there's a fundamental difference between something like "track" and geolocation serivces. People don't know what "track" is, but they know what "everybody knows exactly where I am at all times" is.
- Ken Sheppardson
people make @foursquare venues for their homes that don't have addresses on, so they can check in, but only those in the know can find them
- Kevin Marks
yeah i have my place but not my apt number
- MG Siegler
Foursquare is crap. It doesn't work in any city within 400 miles of me. How the hell can a company sustain that sort of thing? They're totally ignoring like 80% of the bloody country.
- Otto
Because you're an outlier, Robert.
- Ken Sheppardson
@Karoli +1 What is the purpose of sharing location, i.e., WIIFM
- Dave Martin
NTTAWWT
- Ken Sheppardson
Robert that would be cool except those with mental illnesses that catch alot of prejudice
- earl wallace
but will we have to arm ourselves?
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Definitely am an outlier. I like sharing my location so people who know me (or want to) can join me. Works well in my home town and in towns I'm visiting.
- Robert J Taylor
Main reason me and friends use BrightKite is to check in at places so that we can meet up without having to trade texts and calls and such. Much nicer than how it was before, having 20 people call to ask what bar we're hanging at
- Otto
Dave, if I were stuck on a country road in the dark and wanted someone to come get me, it would be extremely handy. (that's actually happened to me in the past)
- Karoli
Snarf
- Brant Walker
Hey Steve--How are you monitoring the show's audio w/ out headphones without creating feedback?
- Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
Tina: good reason to live in Texas...the "Castle Doctrine" applies to home and car. :)
- Robert J Taylor
nice plug
- Tina Chase Gillmor
yeah i've seen a few things like that coming soon also
- MG Siegler
Not to throw a legal question into the mix but at what point do we all become default public figures as a result of our election to disclose personal information? The privacy myth writ large.
- Dave Martin
By the way, was talking to someone who work kids trying to get guns off the streets, and they were explaining that one of the biggest problem they have these days is girlfriends with cellphones.
- Ken Sheppardson
think flashmobs
- Ken Sheppardson
interesting Ken...
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Speaking of visiting... I'll be in LA at 140tc next week. Staying at Hotel Angeleno.
- Robert J Taylor
taking pictures of guys from gang A, msg to boyfriend in gang B, boyfriend says keep him there, we're on the way
- Ken Sheppardson
Big Brother replaced by little sister, Ken?
- Robert J Taylor
Robert T. - I like that hotel
- Tina Chase Gillmor
with latitude you can choose what to share with who (share best location, city level, hide)...
- Antonella Stellacci
@Karoli good point but we would probably agree that you would want to somehow limit those who were made aware that you were alone on a dark road
- Dave Martin
another jet
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Dave, absolutely.
- Karoli
Antonella-Good point which illustrates that foursquare and others should use Goolgle for open standards template
- earl wallace
or not
- Tina Chase Gillmor
IMO, people think too much of themselves. Nobody cares if you like coffee.
- Otto
Yes, location based services have value. Will everyone use them? Probably not. What's next...
- Ken Sheppardson
Robert, as long as you control those "where I am/what I'm doing" location disclosures
- Dave Martin
Your *friends* might care, but those are the only people. And you'd probably want them to know.
- Otto
the interesting thing about @foursquare is that it does encourage you to perform your location
- Kevin Marks
Kevin: Only if you live in one of the towns it supports. Nobody I know uses foursquare.
- Otto
I remember Kevin and myself being in those early conversations. We've only been talking about this stuff for 8 years now.
- Jerry Schuman
the starbucks bot notices you were at peets and asks, why were you being unfaithful to me today at 10:20am
- Dave Martin
Gowalla is neater.
- Otto
Good show guys.
- Mike Doeff
Dave: If that actually occurred, it would be a horrific fail and the backlash would be tremendous. Can you image how many people would get ticked off about starbucks tracking them?
- Otto
Otto: I think that the same thing was said about Twitter - who cares what you're doing, besides some friends? Now we're talking about "where are you"...
- Robert J Taylor
Thanks Steve, Kevin, Seth, MG, Robert, good show
- Dave Martin
thought-provoking show!
- Robert J Taylor
Thanks Steve for the wonderful platform, looking forward to more!
- earl wallace
@otto true, that was the problem with dodgeball too - it is primarily an urban density app as built
- Kevin Marks
Robert: The thing nobody got about Twitter is that "your friends" is enough to make it a useful service.
- Otto
thanks everyone ...great show
- Tina Chase Gillmor
thanks guys
- MG Siegler
Just joking Otto, we agree, there are two issues, having access to the data and application of the data, collection/mining will be the science, application will prove to be the art
- Dave Martin
@Kevin: Yes, foursquare supports 21 cities. But I live in the 19th biggest city in the country, Downtown no less, and foursquare doesn't have it. Lame, lame, lame.
- Otto
yeah crowd-sourcing cities is coming soon. will open it to a lot more
- MG Siegler
I live in the 7th largest city -- no Foursquare love for San Antonio. Always pretends I'm in Austin
- Robert J Taylor
Crowdsourcing should have been in there in the first place. Gowalla has 50-60 locations in my city, and I was only the 3000th user or so. What the hell good is a location based app that doesn't work in almost all locations?
- Otto
I live in the 10th largest City, San Jose, and I have to tell @foursquare it's San Francisco...
- Kevin Marks
Kevin, I had the same problem in Boston. It doesn't work well with suburbia.
- Jesse Stay
San Francisco is a suburb of San Jose. If you go by population.
- Gabe Wachob
One thing is certain, GPS will redefine "local" to mean not DMA, block code or any other crude marketing/census definition but local as EXACTLY where you are in the moment.
- Dave Martin
or san jose is a suburb of SF if you go by white upper middle class cultural associations
- mary
Actually, San Jose is part of the so-called embedded San Francisco metro or DMA/SMSA definition.
- Dave Martin
MP3 here: http://www.archive.org/downloa... When the youtube version is uploaded presumably without the dropouts, I'll rip the audio and put it here: http://feeds2.feedburner.com/bootleg...
- Jack
The real time comments here are interesting but lack much in the depth department. Where do I find the post show comments?
- Jason Adams
How to Build a Popularity Algorithm You can be Proud of - http://blog.linkibol.com/post...
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I should read this in more detail later.
- Jeremy Zawodny
Real-time Google Reader Shares to Twitter - There's An App for That.[louisgray.com] #realtime #RSS - http://www.louisgray.com/live...
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next: give us realtime feed search alerts (track)
- Mindaugas Dagys
Gillmor Gang 1PM Pacific http://www.building43.com/realtim...
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11 viewers for a test pattern, and I seem to be one of them.
- Cliff Gerrish
Getting ready to rock 'n' roll
- Tina Chase Gillmor
It is a nice test pattern though.
- Warner Crocker
Cliff - it is a CLASSY test pattern though :)
- Rob La Gesse
Timing. LOL
- Warner Crocker
Bret Taylor of Facebook will join us to talk about open sourcing Tornado
- Steve Gillmor
I don't recognise that test pattern but the zone plate parts are showing some hf loss...
- Kevin Marks
Cool! From what I know so far, I think I'm in love with Tornado.
- Raphael, Raphael
I'm in the Gillmor Gang studio.
- Robert Scoble
Please stand by. Technical difficulties are being worked on.
- Robert Scoble
I'm enjoying the test pattern. Heard Steve's voice, so I'm sure we're closer to a b-cast. :)
- Karoli
Karoli: yup. Getting closer.
- Robert Scoble
10.9.8.7.
- Robert Scoble
Look - a @building43 t-shirt! :)
- Rob La Gesse
Puppets are all the rage right now. :)
- Karoli
buffering, unwatchable
- Mark
The feed is coming in crystal clear for me....
- Mike Kelly
Mark: sorry. Is anyone else seeing this problem?
- Robert Scoble
There was a bit of a glitch, but all's well now.
- Ken Sheppardson
Working well for me.
- Jason Huebel
Cool.
- Robert Scoble
crystal clear here :)
- Adnan
Actually....the audio quality is much better than the old GG episodes!
- Mike Kelly
Really curious to hear from Bret how he'd tie XMPP into Tornado... where he sees the intergration points and overlap.
- Ken Sheppardson
Is Kevin Marks still with google?
- Adnan
Is there an audio only feed?
- Shaun Trennery
Shaun: close your eyes. ;-)
- Robert Scoble
LiveJournal growth/uptime was a lot like the present Twitter headache.
- Jay Cuthrell
Kevin is now with British Telecom. VP of Web Services
- Ken Sheppardson
:) Thanks Robert, bandwidth here in South Africa is limited. My pigeon is fast asleep.
- Shaun Trennery
Tornado chat room demo instance http://chan.friendfeed.com:8888/
- Ken Sheppardson
Real-Time Remastering....wow..talk about Gillmore Gang 3.0
- Mike Kelly
Whoo! name check
- Jack
Transcoding on the fly circa 2001 :) Nice!
- Jay Cuthrell
Thanks Steve
- Shaun Trennery
Waiting for the tech geek hitler moment when someone says that Google Wave is dead
- Ross Mayfield
Jack: waiting for your remastering magic! :-)
- Robert Scoble
"Some guy named Jack" :-)
- Ken Sheppardson
This is greatly enjoyable and informative. Thank you all.
- Harry Wolff
bingo
- Ross Mayfield
what method does tornado use to pull updates that it pushes realtime?
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Wave is XMPP based... hence my earlier question RE how he'd tie XMPP into Tornado... where he sees the intergration points and overlap.
- Ken Sheppardson
Ross: that one was for you!
- Robert Scoble
:-)
- Robert Scoble
;-)
- Ross Mayfield
I'd love to know when noreply and donotreply goes away from Facebook notification emails.
- Jay Cuthrell
Mochiweb (Erlang web framework) has some pretty easy to use support for long-polling too. Use it at http://replies.twitterfall.com for the streaming API there. I think Facebook use it for chat? (guess)
- Jalada
Agreed Steve.......This is now officially WAY over my head.... ;-)
- Mike Kelly
So, Bret... any plans for a near-term Tornado meetup?
- Ken Sheppardson
Has there been any discussion on any top line scaling metrics they are shooting for now? i.e. transcations per second, etc.
- Jay Cuthrell
Thursdays between 1 - 2pm SFO likes to fly jets over the NGL studios! We must have a talk about this
- Tina Chase Gillmor
lol, love the Canter picture
- Ross Mayfield
agreed... great Canter action shot :)
- Jay Cuthrell
I believe that was at LeWeb several years ago. But Marc was famous for sleeping at conferences.
- Robert Scoble
thanks... I'll take credit for the Canter photo. Not for taking it but for choosing it
- Tina Chase Gillmor
awesome! :)
- Susan Beebe
jazz?
- Jay Cuthrell
yeah, what was that? :)
- Susan Beebe
new Kenny G intro music...
- Mike Kelly
Someone was on hold and it leaked out.
- Robert Scoble
I seriously want that Calliflower hold music MP3
- Ken Sheppardson
That's a great blog - I follow it
- Jesse Stay
whats the future of friendfeed?
- Adnan
Ask him how scaling for Facebook compares to scaling from Google?
- Jesse Stay
robert - do you have a public blog reference for digg using casandra?
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Cassandra uses Thrift too, which supports Python, so the two go together well.
- Jalada
Can't wait to work with Brett in Platform
- Jesse Stay
Mike: I saw it on one of the Digg guys' twitter accounts. I'll try to find some details.
- Robert Scoble
Rob, thanks for saving me the time! :-)
- Robert Scoble
BTW, Brett's saying it wrong - it's not "the Facebook Platform". It's "Facebook Platform".
- Jesse Stay
reading that too!
- Susan Beebe
His Colleagues would correct him on that :-)
- Jesse Stay
Jesse: on what?
- Robert Scoble
Robert, on pronunciation of Facebook platform - there's no "the"
- Jesse Stay
exactly
- Jay Cuthrell
Ahh.
- Robert Scoble
They're very picky about that - it's "Facebook Platform" and not "The Facebook Platform". #littlethings :-)
- Jesse Stay
Any questions for Bret?
- Robert Scoble
The same "Rackspace Cloud" vs "The Rackspace Cloud" argument :)
- Rob La Gesse
Yes, they definitely can.
- Jalada
We're using Pubsubhubbub at http://rssfall.com but it's trivial to add rssCloud support and we're going to.
- Jalada
When will we get to see some of the FriendFeed-like real time features in the Facebook stream?
- Jesse Stay
And when will that work with the API?
- Jesse Stay
Q: What impact will today's release of @Mentions on Facebook have on their infrastructure, performance?
- Susan Beebe
Listening to this is so very interesting if you remember things like "ATG Dynamo" and the personalization wave of the .com days
- Jay Cuthrell
"Pub hub sub bub"? Nice :-)
- Ken Sheppardson
Can anyone ask Bret if Friendfeed plans to open source more of their code. Would love to see how Friendfeed handles the aggregation of all the user feeds.
- arjo
thanks rob and rob!
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
*boom* moment is when the homepages change
- Jay Cuthrell
Jesse - great question!
- Susan Beebe
Will friendfeed keep using their mysql blob store system or will they move to something more native to the FB platform?
- Ian Kallen
arjo: I will try to get to that.
- Robert Scoble
Facebook supports activitystrea.ms already
- Jesse Stay
Ian: I think the answer is clear that the future is Cassandra and other systems built to deal with 300-500 million users.
- Robert Scoble
De jure versus De facto? :P
- Jalada
that's why at the IETF they learned the hard way that implementation trumps a lone spec
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
"Drool: "Tornado comes w/ built-in support for Facebook Connect, Twitter, Google, FriendFeed and OAuth + OpenID." -- http://friendfeed.com/chrisme...
- Ken Sheppardson
Robert - Question for Bret --> What impact will today's release of @Mentions on Facebook have on their infrastructure, performance?
- Susan Beebe
assuming the thing enclosed is relevant to the stream presentation method
- Jay Cuthrell
You can learn more about Facebook's activity streams here: http://wiki.developers.facebook.com/index...
- Jesse Stay
thanks Jesse!
- Susan Beebe
maybe Facebook RTVR will be available for timeshift realtimers (like DVR/Tivo for stuff)
- Jay Cuthrell
Nice show guys - thanks.
- Rob La Gesse
epic GG -- thanks!
- Jay Cuthrell
Thanks GG ! :)
- Susan Beebe
Interesting show, thanks :-)
- Jalada
Great show!
- Mike Doeff
really interesting stuff. thanks.
- Karoli
Thanks to Bret Taylor, great show. No drama, either!
- Robert Scoble
heheh
- Jay Cuthrell
Thank you all! Great show!
- Harry Wolff
great show!
- Adnan
hahah :)
- Susan Beebe
I'd love to see more GG's like that. That was a great show.
- Jesse Stay
Robert, you should have blurted out "You Lie!". Add some controversy :)
- Mike Doeff
Great show guys, thanks
- Ivan Kirigin
Best one in a long while - really good stuff
- Susan Beebe
Jesse: I'd like see more but I value the mix over the homogeneous
- Jay Cuthrell
The mix of what will it be is why I show up
- Jay Cuthrell
excellent show - enjoyed the pace and the questions
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Bravos! Wonderful show. Thank you.
- Dave Martin
I agree Susan. I hope that Steve has more geeks on and fewer arguers in the future.
- Robert Scoble
Robert - well said! no drama queens - geeks only! :)
- Susan Beebe
Kevin, Robert, Bret & Canter - thanks for a great show. Thank you all for showing up
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Tina - thanks for the Canter photo -- best LOL of the day :)
- Jay Cuthrell
Maybe next time. I hope it went well.
- Michael Fidler
Unofficial MP3 of this show: http://www.archive.org/downloa...
- Jack
Does anyone have audio/video of the newsgang live from earlier this week?
- Michael Breslin
Michael: There's a repository of bootlegs at http://www.archive.org/downloa...
- Ken Sheppardson
Another link for a bootleg of today's show: http://friendfeed.com/jackx1...
- Mike Doeff
Yeah I know about that, unless I'm mistaken it doesn't have the newsgang live from tue 09/08
- Michael Breslin
I've only been recording episodes of the Gillmor Gang so unless someone else has recorded NewGang you will have to wait until Steve puts it on YouTube
- Jack
Mike: That link is to the same file as in the bootleg feed
- Jack
Ken: All those files are linked to in a shiny feedburner interface here: http://feeds2.feedburner.com/bootleg... Plus its a handy RSS feed
- Jack
GillmorGang2009.09.10 - http://www.archive.org/downloa...
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This week's Episode of the Gillmor Gang; live from Building43.com
- Jack
fast work.
- Raphael, Raphael
Yeah, last week I missed the show, so had to record the rerun
- Jack
Special Gillmor Gang realtime rerun 1PM Pacific today http://www.building43.com/realtim...
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I missed this Gillmor Gang the first time, I was working...
- Cliff Gerrish
lot of buffering right now, unwatchable, or is it just me?
- HansVanRock
Working for me. Seems pretty smooth.
- Cliff Gerrish
thought mine had buffering probs till I realized I had it opened in two windows
- Michael Metz
geez, i've been looking all over for this. JUST NOW found it.
- Karoli
anyone know if it's available on itunes?
- Michael Metz
Try http://itunes.apple.com/WebObje... for older shows
- Jack
I understand it'll eventually be available on YouTube.
- Cliff Gerrish
this is cracking me up. LOL...
- Karoli
Where was Feldman? Love the setting he's in.
- Karoli
dude, scoble's feed looks like mine. and he has a zillion more follows.
- Karoli
can't get the video on my iphone. what's up with that?
- Karoli
got it -- ustream viewer on iPhone. not as smooth as it is on the mac
- Karoli
that's "punked", not "pwned", but it's all good :)
- Kurtiss Hare
thx kurtis
- Steve Gillmor
holy shit. Loren trusts CNN? that's his first mistake.
- Karoli
thx for watching RObert
- Steve Gillmor
So, was this the first episode since the new setup?
- Kurtiss Hare
more in that I sort of know how the feed went but can get a different view while watching. both are similar experiences
- Steve Gillmor
totally impressed w/video quality and stream on my mac...iphone is a little more herky-jerky via UStream app.
- Karoli
Robert, me too. I used to listen to Newsgang LIve afterwards too, because being in it and seeing it later are so different.
- Karoli
Kurtis yes, we had several false starts
- Steve Gillmor
I'll buy one.
- Kurtiss Hare
I'm enjoying this - thanks for replaying it, Steve
- Hilary Talbot
ROFL...we are definitely in a theater.
- Karoli
lol, the meltdowns continue
- Mark
Does David Sanborn appreciate cell phone use during his live sets?
- Kurtiss Hare
this is great. love it. such high theatre.
- Karoli
"cell phone off" doesn't mean the same thing as "ringer off" does it? Too much talking... not enough listening...
- Ken Sheppardson
I'm waiting for him to stream one of those live sets. (and don't tell Loren I tweet from church...LOL)
- Karoli
david sanborn loves when people tweet about his show during concerts
- Steve Gillmor
this is AWESOME
- Mark
feldman is ALL OVER Scoble
- Mark
this is better watching the second time around
- Jay Cuthrell
Loren should do his own talk show
- Jesse Stay
+1 Jesse (same thought just 2 seconds to late)
- HansVanRock
Loren -is- his own talk show
- Jay Cuthrell
lolllllllllllllllllllll
- Mark
Great great delivery
- Jay Cuthrell
Loren's all over the place, by his own logic, why should CNN be authoritative when they're not the ones making the news?
- Kurtiss Hare
I tuned in late and got hit in the face with this... hm. Missed what brought down Loren's wrath on Robert.
- Ken Sheppardson
Ken - There is a FF thread over in building43 that covered the back and forth for the original live airing
- Jay Cuthrell
this is the point where i want to thank Steve that Gillmor Gang is back
- HansVanRock
steve, where did you just post your reply re: Sanborn loving tweets during sets? I can't find it on this thread...(confusion)
- Karoli
what the fuck just happened
- Mark
rock on, Steve. great show, so glad it's back.
- Karoli
here you Ken: http://friendfeed.com/realtim...
- Jay Cuthrell
thats it?
- HansVanRock
AND SCENE
- Jay Cuthrell
with all the respect to you GANG you can do this better in close doors sorry
- Johni Fisher
Keith Jarrett would probably just end the concert. Suppose it depends on the artistic temperament.
- Kurtiss Hare
Loren and Scoble at each other's throats. Theatre. Drama. Fake blood. Professional wrestling at its most amateur.
- Michael Markman
Sigh. Somebody lemme know where there's an RSS feed for the bootleg audio, will ya?
- Ken Sheppardson
Ken, have you looked over on UStream? There may be video there...
- Karoli
I checked UStream but the only archives are Steve playing with the initial setup.
- Jay Cuthrell
there will be a YouTube version soon
- Steve Gillmor
The quality of the broadcast (technology) is outstanding
- Jay Cuthrell
Steve : why always to fight ?
- Johni Fisher
where can I subscribe to this show?
- No Agenda Forums
Johni life can be a struggle
- Steve Gillmor
there will be an RSS feed on gillmorgang.techcrunch.com
- Steve Gillmor
Steve DO you really think that Feldman is a Gang member ? speaking as he spoke to Robert ?
- Johni Fisher
The Gillmor Gang is who I say it is
- Steve Gillmor
and ?
- Johni Fisher
just subscribed to http://friendfeed.com/realtim... having it sent to FF notifier popup.
- Karoli
Johni, Feldman might be a LIfetime Gang member. Just sayin'. :)
- Karoli
and what?
- Steve Gillmor
Thanks Steve. Looking forward to listening.
- No Agenda Forums
GG is amorphous, but I sure do miss a voice like Udell's, back in the day.
- Kurtiss Hare
thanks for listening No Agenda
- Steve Gillmor
I was thinking about the limitations on TV broadcast video for a simulcast with sidebar conversation... not sure how many people have 62" TV's yet that would support offload to a interstital and separate chat window (reminds me of early AOL experiments with interactive pre-IPTV)
- Jay Cuthrell
I talk with Udell all the time, just not on the air recently
- Steve Gillmor
[ (TV) (sidebar) ] would be a pretty big screen
- Jay Cuthrell
okay, later. Lots of fun, Steve, thanks for rerunning for lamers like me who missed the first round.
- Karoli
good to see you Karoli
- Steve Gillmor
I just like how varied the personalities are on the show. Bass. Drums. Guitar. Harmonica.
- Jay Cuthrell
back to work... later folks
- Jay Cuthrell
If anyone missed this rerun there's an MP3 here: http://feeds2.feedburner.com/bootleg...
- Jack
thx jack
- Christopher Harris
Thx for the bootleg Jack!
- Kahlil Lechelt
Yes thanks very much for the bootlegs Jack, much appreciated all around.
- Michael Breslin
btw thank you for recording the prev show!
- Michael Pinto
Listened to the bootleg feed, great show. I doubt I'll ever watch live as I'm more a radio guy. Loren's comment as being a trusted source for reporting the Michael Jackson funeral has a disturbing similarity to Blackwater being a trusted source for the US Military. I'm all for keeping Feldman and Keen on the show and it was great hearing Calacanis again, Scoble on the other hand.... It's your show Steve
- Jason Adams
Just returned from holiday to discover that Steve has put the gang back together. Great first show. Love the fact that Steve no longer sounds like a call-in guest on his own show. Thanks to whoever set up the bootleg mp3 feed - vital for this long-term listener. Keep up the good work, chaps and chapesses!
- Richard Carter, FCD
from iPhone
we successfully relaunched Gillmor Gang today. We'll release the YouTube version as soon as we can. thanks to all. it's good to be back.
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It's great to have the Gillmor Gang back. Congrats.
- Warner Crocker
Yes! Fantastic news!
- Phillip Molly Malone
this must the 10th relaunch of GG. Congrats again!
- AlexBarnett
Where's the RSS feed? Great to have you guys back, BTW.
- Scott Greiff
Looking forward to listening! Congrats!
- Steve Mermelstein
great news - well done & thanks - can't wait for the next episode
- pablo
Glad ur back!
- courtney benson
Hell yeah! We want mp3 files and t-shirts to show our loyalty in public...
- Michael Pinto
Re: Hire execs who love the product (Scripting News) - http://www.scripting.com/stories...
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"One more thing -- "get a grip" does not work here. I'm going to let your comment stand because you asked a good question. But personal comments are moderated out here. Next time, I'll block you."
- Dave Winer
NO, @amcafee, see Open Enterprise 2009 Report case studies: http://stoweboyd.squarespace.com/oe...
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Steve Gillmor interviews me about FriendFeed and Facebook: http://www.youtube.com/watch... (partial summary at http://www.techcrunch.com/2009...)
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Thanks for your time Paul.
- frank burns
This is a really really good interview thank you for sharing
- Thomas Power
The Real Truth about Apple and Google and Arrington - http://www.techcrunchit.com/2009...
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once again, @stevegillmor sees farther and deeper into what's really going on among Apple, Google, ATT, FCC (and Mike Arrington).
- Michael Markman
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