Mindy Koch › Likes

I hear what you're saying Mark, but I'm not going hunting for content on FriendFeed. My philosophy is that when you put the content out there, whatever happens, happens. If someone shares a blog post and a person's followers like it then I'm just glad that the word got spread to others. - Rob Safuto

Agreed Mark, I subscribe to this etiquette, everyone should as well. - Mike Fruchter

Let me put it this way. I'll try, but until FriendFeed joins all of the article references together, I won't hunt for the original. - Mike Wills

And what of folks who don't subscribe to this arbitrarily pronounced "etiquette"? What about people who reserve the right to comment/like content wherever they find it? - Rob Safuto

Hunting is not necessary. It's usually fairly easy to do. Click on the Greader share, delicious link, tweet, whatever to get to the story. Read it and if the blog is using a FF plugin the original post will be linked. Click on the link, click like. You're done. - Mark Krynsky

Rob, it's fine if people don't follow this but I think it's worth a shot to try. At least to provide a little help centralizing the credit & conversation. Look at this example. I had a popular post which only got 5 likes http://pixelsebi.com/2008-07... here's the delicious link from Louis which generated 28 Likes not counting mine http://friendfeed.com/e... - Mark Krynsky

I plan to discuss this on Friday. Thanks Mark. - Louis Gray

Also if the blog is using the FF plugin this is a benefit for the user as their Likes & Comments will be listed on the post which is better for FF user discovery. - Mark Krynsky

maybe there needs to be a Like trackback? - Nathan Chase

Mark, wishful thinking. I agree it's optimal, but it's not very realistic, at least not if FriendFeed grows beyond ~1000 very active users. - Robert Seidman

It's a nice idea but that's not a point of etiquette, you're being nice to do that but it shouldn't be a required code of conduct - it's too much trouble and people won't do it. Just enjoy the discussion that popped up wherever it is and bask in the attention and extra traffic that otherwise wouldn't have existed. - David Knight

I would love to do this, but sometimes it's hard to find out where or if there was an original post...like if I come in on it after it's passed a fewpages, and the "first" person (as far as I know) to post it gets my like. - BISQ from twhirl

Hmm. New service Moopz was released today and it's supposed to help with this issue. http://www.readwriteweb.com/archive... - Mark Krynsky

I agree with David Knight. http://blog.awakenedvoice.com/2008... - Rob Safuto

Yep, not doing that kinda work. It's an impulse emotion. - Eric Rice

Probably very complicated but duplicates need to be removed, Moopz is the right direction but needs to be personalised - Kol Tregaskes

Yes, this puzzled me as well - given the number of blog posts published on the topic it is rather strange. Maybe Gabe has removed Twitter from the list of preferred words to track? - Svetlana Gladkova from twhirl

GOOD POINT Thomas! where's the love for twitter now?! - Susan Beebe

I've just stopped blogging about it. There's way more interesting news out there than the constant fails of Twitter. - Cyndy

Or maybe Twitter mis-steps are just so frequent these days that it's stopped being news when something breaks. Still, I was surprised when I went to Techmeme this a.m. expecting a veritable Twitter bitch fest and found absolutely nothing on Twitter at all there. - Thomas Hawk

Cyndy is a prime example of loss of interest in a tired subject - twitter fail whale re-run episodes! - Susan Beebe

It hasn't been on TechCrunch yet.... hmmm - Bwana ☠

as you eluded to Thomas, i think that that is exactly what has happened. The constant negativity that is sparked from the manifestation of the failwhale does not make it newsworthy anymore. - Carlos Ayala

I think they are paying attention to other things. Abandoning Twitter because it is a pain in the ass is like abandoning your teenager because they are a pain in the ass. Stick with it people!! Users need a product they can rely on for a long time, not the newest, shiniest thingy. - Mary Anne Davis

I'm feeling a bit of malaise. When I wonder if I'll leave, I think about the network I have there, and ask myself whether it's worth it to do that again somewhere. That and the SMS short code made my barrier to leave a little higher than I could've predicted. I haven't blogged about it because it just feels too inside baseball to bother at this point. Besides, it looks like Louis Gray already did. : ) - Chris Brogan

Twitter was fun while it lasted, but the thought of doing it all over again somewhere else is just a non-starter. Interestingly, after using the Internet duct tape twitter -> friendfeed importer, and then having subscriptions grow organically over time from there, there's nearly as many people following me on friendfeed as there were on twitter, and I didn't have to work at it at all. - Jason Wehmhoener

Dean: Lots of folks are migrating to http://Identi.ca - Susan Beebe

The Twitter fail whale is cliched - TDavid

I dont think folks have moved on, what I think is that Twitter problems and outages have become so common that its not news any more. - Steve Mann from twhirl

Yes Louis has blogged on it. http://www.louisgray.com/live... and his blog post is the top story on FF for the past day. But it feels eerie at Techmeme. All the usual suspects are there. Microsoft, Yahoo, Facebook, Apple, but do a search for "Twitter" on the site and nada. Nothing. Fail Whale oversaturation I guess. - Thomas Hawk

I lost half of my followers! wtf? - orionstarr

Or it's not really a huge issue, since most everyone didn't actually lose followers. (According to Evan, at least): http://status.twitter.com/post... - Jordan Hofker

I saw a twitter message from ev very quickly after that happened saying that they new what the problem was and the fix was on the way. I think that despite its problems, twitter still provides a lot of value to its users and people have learned to leave through their growing pain (twitter is quickly growing to become mainstream and for more mainstream users I think that those lack of reliability issues are less painful) - Edwin Khodabakchian

Twitter still rocks compared to other services. - orionstarr

@Jordan Then Evan is full of s!@#. And that's not what annoys me. I want MY follows back. I don't particularly care who is following me. I care about who *I* am following. - Cyndy

Or maybe not knowing exactly how may people are following us isn't a real problem. - Jack Baty

now people are talking about it on ff... ;) - Dieter Schwarz from twhirl

I wonder what the noise level would have been if the counts went suddenly way up instead of down. I suspect many would have taken screenshots and casually mentioned the counts as if they were correct :) - Jack Baty

Maybe all the influencers in the world stopped caring about Twitter. That's what Gabe would probably say. - Robert Scoble

Uhm....WTF is Twitter? Is that like Identi.ca or something? - Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah

Maybe its not that everyone is not caring anymore - maybe its simply that it has grown old talking about Twitter's issues. I mean when have they done a maintenance recently that hasn't had issues afterward? So what if following/follower counts were off at least the service was up. - Brandon LeBlanc from twhirl

Twitter is the worst web service I have seen in my life! It never does work when I need it. - Dimitar Vesselinov

at the same time we had 2 stories in the media (ABC news and USA today) about twitter this week. - Phillip Jeffrey

I think people would care more about this Twitter problem if Twitter hadn't prepared us by progressive FAILing in bigger & bigger ways. Way to ease out your customers Twitter! Give us the easy way out. Gradual progressive failure... - Mitchell Tsai

Funny! Twitter rewarded me for quitting Twitter early. Since I had just started using Twitter 3/28/08, just as I started enjoying Twitter, it started major flaking, and I stopped trying to follow people 5/30/08 (Coincidentally, about 5 days before the first missing people). Got lucky. Haven't lost a single person of the 140 that I'm following (just lost 74 of my recent 78 followers). - Mitchell Tsai

Strangely enough even though I am not using Twitter and my profile clearly states so I get many twitter friend requests (which I ignore). Spammers is all I can guess - Brian Sullivan

ya its kinda like :: shurg :: at this point - sean percival

Hm, well I'm one of the peeps that still cares immensely about Twitter. It's taken me a while to build up 2300 loyal followers, so it was v. scary to see 1700 drop off like a calving iceberg! It was quite a fiasco yesterday... the dust has settled now. I've yet to see a platform compare... Plurk, Identi.ca, FriendFeed all have their place. But Twitter rocks! - Mari Smith

Frankly, I don't think it helps giving them any more attention. I'm on hiatus from Twitter - blogging, Twittering, etc. unless they do something profound. I'm tired of this. - Jesse Stay

A lot of valid points that I agree with. - Adrian Nadeau

I loved the post. Friendfeed is adding a lot of exposure to our digital identity. Do you feel there is a need for a new social netiquette? I.e don't post your "I have a new blog post: domain.com/post " on twitter if you already linked friendfeed to your twitter account AND to your blog? I would love to hear your opinions about that - Marcello Del Bono

Just noticed the same. When I started blogging I always asked myself: Should I post this story on my blog or try to sell it to a magazine or newspaper. Now it's increasingly the question if I should blog it or post it to Twitter or FriendFeed. - Benedikt Koehler

And what about non native english speakers (like me). I blog, twit and post in friendfeed both on italian and english language. is that annoying for non-italian speakers ? I often post the same news on my italian language blog (in italian) and on my english language blog (in english). they are both linked on friendfeed. Is that correct? Is that annoying? I don't have the answers... - Marcello Del Bono

Marcello, it is not annoying, it is just shows a need for filtering for languages. People will ignore things that they cannot read, so let them filter it. - Rob Diana

Rise of rapid yet drastic increment of the socialization on the web might be causing this confusion, I guess. "Time is a cure." - Kenichi Matsumoto

@Kenichi: Will there be a time when we can socialize on the web without having to take care of different languages? Going beyond Babel in social networking? - Benedikt Koehler

benedikt, I made a confusion here. sorry! I meant to comment on the original post. btw, I'm having the same problem as Marcello pointed out above. I'm a Japanese. - Kenichi Matsumoto

Unless your blog is quite unsuccessful, or you've got an enormous social media following, I'm not sure how this works. 20 times the people will read one of my blog posts vice a Tweat or FF blurb. And, of course, I can actually develop a coherent thought (theoretically) in a blog post. And monetize it. - James Joyner

I think I understand Kenichi. I just wrote a post about the points I see in this thread. http://marcello.delbono.eu/2008... Is it correct to link my blog post on this thread? I wrote it on my blog since I have more space there, and I can also use images and formatting. But is this kind of cross-referencing correct? Is it noising? Is it value adding? ... - Marcello Del Bono

Excellent post, Louis. Your brain is in no way suffering from sleep deprivation! - Carla Thompson

@Carla This was a guest post by Jesse Stay - Shey, Jamaican of FF

less is more w/blogging, engagment is better then content :)- - Peter Dawson

Oh oops. Apologies Jesse! Apparently *my* brain is suffering. - Carla Thompson

Jesse did a great job with this post. It's why I invited him. - Louis Gray

I agree with you. I've noticed bloggers slowing down myself. C' mon people, I need YOUR feed! - Matt Browne

Bingo! My brain is rewired to think in 140 character bursts. Blogging is beyond me now. - Michael Markman

Marcello, I commented on your feed. http://ub0.cc/5Y/d - Kenichi Matsumoto

:) - Marcello Del Bono

Thoughtful post. I wish I could whip up a post in 30 minutes flat. - kamla bhatt

Louis - I thought you said, "that's why I invented him" below. lol! ;-) Thanks for your kind words though. - Jesse Stay

Marcello I don't think there are enough FriendFeed users yet to completely forgo Twitter as an additional platform for sharing content. I still have twice the friends on Twitter as I do FriendFeed. - Jesse Stay

Marcello I think the only standard is that you be yourself - if you get criticized, certainly be courteous, but don't worry too much about any set "rules". You'll be fine. :-) - Jesse Stay

My crossover is Jonathon Coleman from the Nature Conservancy. I really wouldn't have thought to look at this, but it came up elsewhere. Your point about activity level is well taken. - Chris Baskind

Well, gasp and SWOON! You're on both of my lists, Louis! - Cyndy

FriendFeed's Changing Tapestry of Users, Nine Months In: http://www.louisgray.com/live... - Chris Baskind

or maybe those you find interesting may not be paying enough attention to you. - Hao Chen

That's quite possible. Somehow, I'll have to find a way to live with that. ;-) - Chris Baskind

If it's any consolation, it doesn't work on Vista (for me) either. - Raphael, Raphael

I was almost getting excited. Bah! - Flemming Funch

That was my reaction too - and I am genuinely surprised, because I was under the impression that a great majority of Google developers use Macs. Perhaps they are all running XP in Parallels? - Jonathan Beckett

So...Google made a Second life? PS Home? Er.... Hmmm..... - Bwana ☠

Ok, judging by the avatars available...I'm not welcome unless I have an afro :/ - Bwana ☠

I still can't resist trying it on a PC, but do get a Mac version soon Google Lively! - Sudha Jamthe

Anyone figure out how to get it to work with Parallels? - Mark McKay

Bwana: you can change your hair. :) - Steve Lynch from Alert Thingy

Ryo, I know you're subscribed to me, but... that was a grossly inaccurate statement you might want to retract or back up with solid facts. I have hundreds of free (and open source) Mac apps on my system. They didn't get developed out of thin air. - l0ckergn0me

Ryo - Plaxo. Which, for whatever it's worth, is available for OS X and Windows. Can't get much more free than that - with options to spare. There are plenty of alternatives to Textexpander - I've seen 'em, and I've recommended 'em. I just stuck with Textexpander because I got 'er on a discount in one of those bundle deals. Lack of free software?! Are you *REALLY* going to go down that path with me, Ryo? :) Really? REALLY!? - l0ckergn0me

Luckly for Mac users,Google lively sucks! - Chris Qie from twhirl

I view this as a feature, not an oversight. - Chris Baskind

also how about people that post controversial statements designed to get more attention... - Pokai

While I agree with the author's suggestions I don't like being told what to do. The author should have adopted a more personal point of view. - Kevin D. White

oh no -- i guess this was inevitable *shakes head* - Shey, Jamaican of FF

Am with you @kevin As Hutch's post shows there are many different motivations and goals for FF users - that's what is great about it - if I want to follow 1000+ people and you want to follow 10 FF's answer to both of us is yes - Marco(aureliusmaximus)

I simply don't use Ping.FM. Anyone who wants to see all my output can follow my Friendfeed. - Morton Fox

*shakes head too*! augh! NOooooooooezzzzzz! - Susan Beebe

There's another issue that the article leaves out: You can set up your FriendFeed to ONLY pull your Twitters (and not your Plurks, etc). In other words, you can set up your network the other way as well. I cast my posts from Ping.fm to Twitter, Plurk, and Identi.ca, but only pull Twitters into FF, which is my favorite place to have conversations. - Lisa Creech Bledsoe from twhirl

Another way around this is that one could relate items that link to the same content together. That way the conversaton does not get fragmented and everyone is happy. The notion that duplicate entries are bad etiquette depends on where the duplicates are from and whether it is intentional. One can always hide duplicate entries, after all. - Roberto Bonini

Morton - me too! Ping.FM seems to be designed for the person who is exactly the opposite of me. The person who has groups of friends in a number of places, but doesn't want those people to mix. Me on the other hand.. find me here. Find me on my blog. - Phil G

I agree w/ @mortonfox and @eng1ne. While I support the idea and adoption of alternative ways to update your status IMHO most users are incorrectly using Pingfm. - Czar

I have to agree with Franklin... surely the service provides the features to use it in your own manner - to moderate as you want... - Jonathan Beckett

I hate sites like these. I know Keith too, don't know why he's doing this. Seems pretty stupid of an idea. Is this the best he can come up with? If so, doomed. Great job Duncan in chasing this down. Thank you! - Robert Scoble

I tend to ignore this stuff, as I expect there will be good guys and bad guys in blogging, and the good guys will win out over time. Duncan is wired differently than I am, and I'm glad he looked into it. - Louis Gray

I am curious to see the follow-up to this story. Should be interesting to see what Keith does from here. - Mindy Koch

Louis, normally I ignore sploggers as well, but it's Keith Teare, not some nameless spammer in a dark room living at home at the age of 28 and has never had a girlriend :-) I also have swapped maybe half a dozen emails back and forward with him about this as well (and yes, someone else was also in on those emails, Scoble will know who), he just doesn't seem to think he's doing anything wrong. The funny thing: I only noticed because I'm subscribed to his FF feed and I was confused why he was posting my posts - Duncan Riley

Try a Google Blog Search using a unique phrase in one of your posts. While I realize Teare stands out, there are hundreds (more?) of these sites out there, monetizing while sleeping. I kinda let it go too. - Charlie Anzman

Should I be flattered or pissed off?! Probably both =) - Ryan Spoon

Duncan: don't tell me that Furrier is involved in this. Keith is friends with Arrington and Furrier, so it's probably one of those two and it sounds more like Furrier. - Robert Scoble

Scoble, Michael's not involved with these, but he was aware of the situation so to speak prior to me posting. - Duncan Riley

Furrier. Well... - Robert Scoble

Charlie, I would normally agree, but for a couple of reasons: it's Keith Teare so he should know better, secondly he's promoting these stories through FriendFeed (it's how I first found out about these blogs...I saw my own post reappear on his blog in his feed) and other social outlets. Most garden variety sploggers pump the content and leave it at that, Keith is out selling other peoples full content without permission on his site for his gain - Duncan Riley

Scoble: i'm not involved; are you suggesting I'm a splogger? - John Furrier

Keith and I share space with Jeff Clavier, and 3 other startups; By your logic I guess I'll take credit for all of Jeff Claviers great investments :-) - John Furrier

No. I was just asking if you were involved. Glad to see you're not. - Robert Scoble

Scoble, aren't you connected enough where you can just call someone at Google and say "Keith might be a nice guy but his sites are kind of slimy and the pagerank for his sites should take a hit when calculating page rank." That effectively kills all hope of getting more traffic for your content than your own site will get. :-) - Robert Seidman

ok Robert..thanks for clarifying; It was a discussion item in the office today; i've been out this week so i walked in today to ... "I think Scoble called you a splogger.." - anyway I'm familar with keith's project but not involved..it seem cool and i know for a fact it isn't a splog app but i can see how a friendfeed misconfig could cause a 'break' - like a firehose of reposted stuff.. - John Furrier

Solution: fill your RSS version full of AP content. He republishes and has AP and $12.50 a stanza to deal with. - Christian Anderson

It's so cute to see the mavens asking each other who's juggling who's content. For some significant but ignored percentage of bloggers, sploggers are not friends you can ask to knock it off. I think I'll hide this now, because it isn't my world, and that's just too much cuteness. - Wade Dorrell

I've never heard of Teare before- but really, as the article says- if you've gone after other folks for less, why is it OK? - anna sauce