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Opera Unite - http://unite.opera.com/
June 16, 2009 from Bookmarklet - Comment - Share
ooh, today is The Day! Let's see what they have for us... - vijay
oi! This is actually pretty good! They are onto something big here! - vijay
*downloading opera unite right now* - minus-one
this is fuckin awesome! NO MORE MIDDLE-MEN! suge! - vijay
actually there is middle-men: "Rather than store the content on a third-party server, as in the traditional data-sharing model, the content remains on your computer; your friends communicate with your computer using local connections, or, if this is not available, some server-side Opera technology will aid in establishing a connection.' - minus-one
it's kinda hybrid peer-to-peer - minus-one
interesting... - minus-one
Well, this is like removing one of the many layers of the middle men. If we think about it, there will always be one layer of middle-men, the ISPs. - vijay
this is so exciting to me! The first step towards a completely open and free internet. - vijay
dude! you know what? let's try sharing some files right now! :D - vijay
can't get it work... - minus-one
wait! did you read the TOC? --->- "By signing up for a My Opera account you warrant that you will NOT upload files, images, code, materials, or other information or content ("Content") that is obscene, vulgar, sexually-oriented, hateful, threatening, or that violates any laws or third-party rights, hereunder but not limited to third-party intellectual property rights." FAIL!! - vijay
anyway, we'll think about that later. Technically we aren't uploading anything to My Opera so. - vijay
what happens when you try to do a transfer? where does it fail? - vijay
it's the usual fine print - minus-one
i can't start a service - minus-one
nothing happens - minus-one
I have it running now. See my desktop contents here - NSFW!! --->- http://notebook.vjk2005.operau... - vijay
It's folder based; not as smooth a workflow like "drag-and-drop files... boom!... shared". Clunky but hope they will improve that in future. - vijay
you know what's missing? A "Friends" list. Then I can drag and drop files onto your name and boom!... shared! The current way is toooo cumbersome! - vijay
lol! I'm kind of a Gintama fan :P - vijay
oh, i know ;) - minus-one
wait! You have a FartManager? lol! - vijay
:) (it's FAR, not fart!) - minus-one
btw, it's my work computer - minus-one
now, can you go offline? - minus-one
I just need to close the browser I guess... - vijay
browser closed. - vijay
"Device Unavailable" - vijay
works as advertised. Good. - vijay
"The device you were trying to access (notebook.vjk2005.operaunite.com) does not seem to be available" - minus-one
NO, "...if this is not available, some server-side Opera technology will aid in establishing a connection..." - minus-one
My system is the server. So if I'm down and they don't store the data, then this is the way it's supposed to work. - vijay
yes, but then it's just built-in ftp, nothing more... - minus-one
It is. And I'm fine with that because in FTP the barrier to entry is higher. With this even a n00b like me can jump in and use it. - vijay
there has to be an option to "cache" ur files on a opera server - minus-one
I think so too. But then Opera becomes the "middle man" and that is against the philosphy behind the service :D - vijay
server side technologies are pretty useful too, u know... - minus-one
meaning? - vijay
oi! I closed it and can't find it again! It doesn't overwrite the beta and installs as a new instance! - vijay
?? meaning all internet is server side technology - minus-one
got it back! - vijay
no I'm asking, in relation to what in this thread are you saying "SS tech is useful". - vijay
it's in Opera folder - minus-one
caching? - vijay
hai - minus-one
like I said, I'm fine with caching but then how is this different from hosting on a third party site is the question. - vijay
because it's your decision what "to centralize" and what not - minus-one
(you can have both) - minus-one
If the data leaves my computer and I allow a third party permission to store it, then there's no longer any control left to me in practice is there? For instance the folder I just shared, if Opera caches that (for whatever time period), it's no longer under my control. They can continue to cache it without my knowledge as long as they want. - vijay
ofcourse, this is just speculation. - vijay
or in better words, thinking over all possible consequences. - vijay
yes, but u can have one folder cached and another peer-to-peer - minus-one
my concern is simple, if I turn OFF caching from my admin, will Opera be honest and turn it OFF or will they behave like the usual middle-man and continue caching and transmitting the data (for whatever reason) behind my back? - vijay
it's the usual risk - minus-one
it's a question of trust. And the best way to answer is to be on the safe side and NOT trust a third party. In this case, the result is to NEVER give them "official" permission to cache anything. This is what I think. - vijay
let's see how things turn out. - vijay
true, it's the usual risk : ) - vijay
but what if i'm in process of downloading file from ur comp and u turn the service off? - minus-one
damn! this really was unexpected! - vijay
"try again later" =P - vijay
that's true though, caching is useful there. - vijay
no good :( - minus-one
exactly - minus-one
In return you will be giving up complete privacy and peace of mind. - vijay
question is :" Is everyone ok with that?" - vijay
they want us to never close opera - minus-one
HAHAHAHAHA!! - vijay
we'll know soon. In this age users make the decisions, not companies(most of the time). So I'm kinda confident that in the end we won't be completely screwed. - vijay
overall i think it's a step back - people want their stuff online. but it'll find its niche, of course. e.g. web server would be a cool way to share a site while testing it locally (but there's no php/mysql support, so it's not very useful so far) - minus-one
It's a step back only if you turn your computer/Opera OFF. Otherwise it's a step forward. : ) As usual, Opera is doing things before everyone else and then others will re-cycle the same ideas to make it popular. :D - vijay
dayum! Imagine GoogleWave + Unite! wow! This is what GITS has been predicting for years! - vijay
GoogleWave goes in the opposite direction, it's more about online collaboration - minus-one
I can run google wave on my own system(server) and collaborate with other systems in a (ideally) open and free(dom) network. - vijay
I had the same idea, vijay! http://blogoscoped.com/forum... - Jérôme
Could Google or an add-on put a similar feature to Unite within Chrome. That would be amazing (maybe NatCl http://code.google.com/p...?). - Jérôme
hey! Jerome! You're on wave? dayum! T-T My invite hasn't come yet! - vijay
eventually every browser will. Few years from now Unite will be what "browser tabs" are today. - vijay
I'm still waiting for an invite, vijay. Your prospective of "all browser as servers" is very promising IMHO: the Web would have a very different face, and lots of privacy issues would just pshhhhhhh... :) - Jérôme
check out Media Player (man it's cool...) - minus-one
haha! Opera Unite had a HUGE FAIL right now. My power went out and though my notebook runs on battery, my internet doesn't. *sigh* India has a long way to go still :D - vijay
Jerome, a Free Open Web has been The Dream for many. But development on that has been slow because no one knows how to make money off a free and open web. And after thinking about it for nearly 2 years now, I don't think anyone actually can which is why --->- http://friendfeed.com/dffrnt... - vijay
minus-one, URL! - vijay
what makes Unite really cool is that it is in fact tunnel through operaunite.com... - minus-one
free tunnel! ;) - minus-one
what's a tunnel? - vijay
also, media player URL dude! Let me tune into your station! - vijay
they make you transparent to firewalls - minus-one
all traffic goes through operaunite.com - minus-one
woohoo! Media Player FTW!!! :D - vijay
holy crap! you know what? anything with a URL and google boy will come to index and cache it. Time to take those public links down. Let's change the passwords and exchange the new links here --->- http://notebook.vjk2005.operau... - vijay
no worries, passwords expire - minus-one
? password is part of the link! how can they expire? EDIT: double-checking this... - vijay
yup. take this link as an example : http://notebook.vjk2005.operau... goes here) - vijay
don't know, seems like when u restart the service, there're new passwords - minus-one
let me try restarting... - vijay
mine's the same. and your file-sharing server is down. - vijay
i'm restarting too... - minus-one
k - vijay
yeah, the same - minus-one
it's back on and asking for the password. neat. - vijay