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Oops! - http://dizzythinks.net/2008...
Darren Heydon liked this
Another AP slip up??
- Miranda Richardson
@garyvee you are over the top. On fire. Thunder x 100. I wish I had your talent. Wow. http://tinyurl.com/65hrcx
Laura Norvig, JimmyJet, Daniel Rowley and 16 other people liked this
I'm gonna watch this when I get home from the Land of No Video
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Scary thing is - it's not only people who've worked in old media for a long time that think this way. A group of journalism students told me recently they weren't interested in in the internet, they only wanted to work in television news...And I know a very talented young journalist who has repeatedly told me: "I just want to get on the telly".
- Miranda Richardson
That was intense - Gary! Such energy. Nice Chair.... but seriously - he is 100% bang on with HS being smart and seeing social media as a serious threat to his future. A hostile reaction to the fall of an empire.... Where have we seen that before? ;)
- Simon Plashkes
Given stern's style (inherently hostile) it is not possible. There are rational arguments that SM is a waste of all kinds of human resources -- but stern doesn't even come close, and (as Gary points out in the video...) many of his arguments are directly in conflict with his own practices.
- Simon Plashkes
from IM
@Miranda Ultimately the 'telly' and the net will combine I am sure. In fact, if it wasn't for the reluctance of companies such as Comcast being scared of losing their revenue stream from premium channel subscriptions, I feel there would already be much more integration of the two. Personally, I'd be more than happy to quit cable TV, and pay what I save for a much faster pipe instead and watch anything I want to online, on demand.
- Ian May
@cristoblanco / world: 'there is some value to have some well known, high quality entertainment' - So true. But how do we get there? Do we design systems that limit creation to a few chosen ones (cough: 'old media')? or do we design systems that have filters (sometimes people based) that allow the diamonds to *easily* rise out of the rough?
- Simon Plashkes
from IM
I can't pull an example, but i am SURE someone IS ALREADY the new HS of the internet - links anyone?
- Simon Plashkes
from IM
favorite line is "howard stern sounds like your dad."
- Jaica Kinsman
I couldn't listen through this, Gary is way too hectic. FWIW, I'm a Sirius subscriber and find a lot of value in the medium. I think this is probably a case of the internets taking themselves a little too seriously (again?). The biggest thing traditional media outlets have that the internets are still struggling to find is focus. Granted that means less choice traditionally, but at some point choice becomes distracting and bad.
- matthew john ernisse
the net is my tele.
- Jaica Kinsman
i agree it was hard to listen to, but his points were good.
- Jaica Kinsman
I'm not against old media. I'm just against paying for cable and buying a tv.
- Jaica Kinsman
Just watching the Stern reaction and I agree this guy has bundles of energy and a real attraction to make you want to watch!
- Joe Dawson
sigh
- Patricia
@pceasy I don't think that smart phones are much of a threat to Sirius. The selection of programming online is pretty fractured, and the data service on most providers wouldn't stand out to 17 million people listening to decent quality, and wifi penetration is no where near prolific enough to compete with satellite.
- matthew john ernisse
Sirius is totally screwed. How can they compete when every 8 years they have to spend 20MM putting things in orbit? Clearly the shared infrastructure of the network is a massive competitive advantage, add that to the potential for evolution of hundreds of competitors (as a result of the same network) = doomed. Have you played with the radio iphone apps? They are amazing, and will only get better. Anyone listen to viva-radio.com? I love it. PS: And YES Sirius could survive as an internet radio BRAND
- Simon Plashkes
@chris no doubt that the strength of sirius' model is their content creation and amalgamation, I didn't intend to make any assertion to that. My point was only that cellphone data networks aren't really a viable delivery mechanism at this point, and while yes you can use edge or even evdo / hsdpa networks, I think they'd crumble under the load of that many subscribers, and that the coverage area is not nearly as prolific as their current footprint.
- matthew john ernisse
I thought Gary did a great job on this video as well. :)
- Daynah
Gary crushed it! Howard Stern is Old School. Not too surprising given the length of his career.
- Pete Steege
[FriendFeed]: Blistering piece in Wash Post about "President Obama" -- very funny. Totally must-read. ht... http://friendfeed.com/e...
Eban Crawford, Adri Munier, Chris Rivait and 4 other people liked this
Milbank is a hack and this article just proves it. Obama took a trip. He's acting presidential! Oh nooooes! The Europe trip was a huge success and now the media, who desperately want a close race for the theater of the thing, are playing up the "Obama is arrogant and presumptuous" angle because he didn't cooperate and make any major errors. They might as well go ahead and call him uppity and get it over with.
- Jeff Jones
Oh come on -- get the stick out of your ass. Geez. It was a beautifully written piece. What do you know about writing. Idiot.
- Dave Winer
@Jeff - exactly!!!
- George Smith
Great piece
- Miranda Richardson
"Uppity"? Please. One of the great failings of the Obama PR machine is the attempt to cast all criticism of Obama as racist. Thankfully that didn't stick the way they so clearly wanted it to.
- Soulhuntre
God help us if Obama actually wins (hope he does) -- then every little criticism of the President is going to be rebutted how you wouldn't say that if he was white. Fuck. Now I wish the Republicans had nominated someone I wouldn't hate myself for voting for! (Just kidding, never would happen.)
- Dave Winer
Conclusion: Hubris is something even black people need to watch out for.
- Dave Winer
Soulhuntre, you can't blame that on the Obama PR machine -- these guys here are just random Internet Idiots, not part of some vast Left Wing Conspiracy.
- Dave Winer
This is the endgame of Political Correctness - a protected class of "victims" immune from criticism or unapproved commentary.
- Soulhuntre
Personally, I'm happy someone in this country is acting "Presidential". Someone sure as hell needs to. :)
- Malevolent Robot
I like Obama, but if he continuous like this, imagine when he IS the president (if he wins off course!)
- Fernando
Well, maybe I don't know writing like a biting wit such as yourself ("Idiot"! How brilliant!) but I still know a hack when I see one. Where is the substance in this article Dave? He calls Obama arrogant for putting together a team to transition into the White House when this is common practice (Reagan put his team together much sooner, so did Clinton). He quotes criticism from "The Atlantic and New Republic. Wow! Call me an idiot if it makes you happy but Milbank does nothing but grasp straws here.
- Jeff Jones
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/ The right wing talking points come out and Milbank dutifully jots them down., What's new?
- Jeff Jones
I don't think it's beautifully written but it's definitely funny.
- Rick Powell
@Dave Winer - certainly not everyone who does this is part of the Obama camp! This sort of thing has long predated him - but his camp absolutely has encouraged it.
- Soulhuntre
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what's the back story on these? Really cool...
- Brian Ries
Hi Brian, it's a webapp called "Wordle" that takes various feeds and creates what you see here. More info about it: http://friendfeed.com/e...
- Mark Trapp
They are gorgeous - especially in tones of black and grey. I've used Wordle to compare Government and Conservative Party proposals for police reform...result: it all looks the same! http://blogs.news.sky.com/boulton...
- Miranda Richardson
The G8: How to write about pointless international organisations - http://blogs.ft.com/rachman...
This is brilliant.
- Miranda Richardson
Blog comments are dead: discuss - http://scobleizer.com/2008...
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So, if my FriendFeed on this is embedded on my blog, will it be considered a comment? Blog posts are daily journals that are dead, until comments bring them back alive and keep them living!
- Michael Sheehan
from twhirl
sorry Robert but you're wrong
- Steven Hodson
"Trying to control where comments on your blog posts are displayed is fruitless" would be be my version of your post
- Brian Sullivan
Heheh. Already more comments here too.
- Robert Scoble
Isn't the web meant to be "hyperlinked" at first?
- directeur
from NoiseRiver
Dead? No. Being re-invented as we speak? Yes.
- Mike Doeff
So Robert...where are you more likely to respond to a comment? Here on FF or over on your blog?
- Jerry Chacon
If FriendFeed would just partner with Disqus to handle comments, we'd have a comment system that cut across all the channels, no?
- Ken Sheppardson
I'm against "centred" things. Look at twitter. The most distributed things are, the best it is.
- directeur
from NoiseRiver
Jerry: I'm equally likely to respond to a comment here as well as on my blog. Ken, Disqus can help, but not really. I still like commenting on FriendFeed better than on people's blogs. For a whole lot of reasons. Much of which has to do with UI and iPhone accessibility.
- Robert Scoble
It's because people want to OWN their own comments. You can store your own comments wherever you like because they belong to you. I wonder how many people started blogging because they wanted to join the conversation on their own blog rather than just replying on other people's blog?
- Chris Paton
@Robert - I commented here strictly based on your headline as I am in the middle of a post and your post hasn't shown up in my reader yet (yes I could have clicked the link but I'm busy - post reading can wait) - I very often comment on the blogs if the post is *sufficently interesting* enough to entice me to post a comment.
- Steven Hodson
directeur: cool. My experience shows that most people don't care about those issues. Including on Twitter. When it's up I still see a Tweet every second coming into my account.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, I'm clearly quite visible here, but even for me, I still get more comments on the blog than on FriendFeed, in most cases. See my article about that here: http://www.louisgray.com/live...
- Louis Gray
Heh...I commented on your blog Robert, but I'm seeing a "waiting moderation" message. Score 1 for FriendFeed (you're seeing this comment immediately).
- Hutch Carpenter
I second that comments are being reinvented. I also agree with people wanting to own their comments. I've just become so used to Disqus and FriendFeed that I couldn't believe that some blogs still had the old Wordpress commenting mechanism.
- Rishabh Mishra (p248)
Louis: I still am getting a lot of comments, but I'm definitely seeing the tide switching. I bet that much of your audience doesn't know you are on FriendFeed all the time yet.
- Robert Scoble
I'm thinking that the "latest" section on my homepage should just be my brand's Ffeed
- Tom Beardshaw
Cool. And the comments are all here on FriendFeed.. Very cool. Of course, for Joe.Blogspot the thesis is incorrect. But maybe it's a trend.
- john conroy
FF allows us to cross-post back to twitter when responding to tweets in our FF feed here. Wouldn't it be possible to send our FF comments to Disqus comments back to the blogs?
- sedgewick
If it's a blogger I know is on FF, I'll comment on FF.
- Tom Landini
I think he's right...if not dead, they are close
- George Gray
We've had several very useful discussions on scripting.com recently.
- Dave Winer
the-iBlog doesn't get many comments, and I'm not commenting on other blogs as much either.
- Oli from the-iBlog
gee i never got many blog comments in the first place
- Andy Sternberg
from twhirl
A bit premature but inevitably I think you will pan out to be right. It seems like more of a chore checking my own blog's comments lately, and I seldom leave blog comments for lack of patience with login/typekey/captcha lameness. The ease and speed of commenting here has made blog comments seem downright stale.
- Steve Isaacs
Not totally dead but getting there! You should add FF comments to your blog, I just did and love the integration: http://www.seanpercival.com/blog...
- sean percival
Your post does have some merit, Robert. Before FriendFeed (and still currently), people's actual visits to blogs were diminishing, while reading through rss readers and such was increasing. This is especially true for tech blogs. I think people were longing to be able to comment via their feed reader without having to go back to the blog. FriendFeed seems to solve this, and I think will only get better as they improve.
- Jesse Stay
I don't want blog comments to die... I love receiving them!
- Paul Stamatiou
I want to also add that there's nothing wrong with people not coming back to your blog if you have a way for them to still build community around your blog, outside of the blog itself. If you can still monetize that audience or turn that audience into some value as a blog owner, traffic on blogs themselves will decrease even more in the future, while community around those blogs will only increase.
- Jesse Stay
Mine have always been pretty dead...
- Fraser Smith
FF/Disqus are disruptive technologies but if they prevented blog owners from getting at comments on their writings and integrating them back into the page, you'd better bet that bloggers would work around that.
- Andy Murdoch
I've noticed most blogs don't get many comments, and the ones that do tend to get comments of a spammy sort (people pimping their own blogs in Techcrunch comments, for example). For the most part, real discussion still takes place on forums, or various incarnations of the such (which I'd classify Friendfeed and even Twitter as). People that like to have conversations tend to gravitate towards places where they can decide what to talk about - people's blogs don't really offer that.
- Eric P
Depends on the blog, however, on the majority of blogs comments are dead.
- Dave Martin
Here is the comment that I left on your blog: "Robert, you are a master at baiting, I’ll give you that. :) On a separate note, clearly people weren’t wrapping their heads around the car post. Perhaps it’s because automobiles are outside of your perceived areas of expertise?"
- Mark Dykeman
It's more than just comments that are changing. Comments aren't dead but they are 'moving' . Clearly a sign of both Friendfeed's appeal. It's happening faster than this guy expected. Most users will still go directly to the blogs and websites they like for a long time. I had several blogs with the comments turned off and they still were relatively easy to SEO. The dialog is clearly better here. Go Disqus and FF!
- Charlie Anzman
Claiming that "XYZ is dead is dead". I think FF comments and the like are interesting, but unless it's easier to create the intersection for the average user, this is going to be an inside joke. Maybe that's why people like it.
- tim
Now... can I replace my commenting system on my WP blog with Friend Feed? I mean, I'd be sad to see ID go away, but it seems there's more activity here. Edit: Found this: http://wordpress.org/extend...
- Adam C.
Comments are definitely in a state of change, not dead though. Maybe once Friendfeed gets more mainstream we'll see more blogs using the FF plug-in, along with Disqus and Seesmic to enable more conversations between platforms. David Risley has an interesting perspective on this: http://www.davidrisley.com/2008...
- Larry Kless
Wait till the spammers start targetting FriendFeed
- Peter Reavy
I for one accept our new commenting overlords.
- David Cohn
Over the last year, we've seen an increase in the number of comments on our Boulton & Co. blog, but not an increase in their quality. I see, however, that the Huffington Post has a loyal band of "commenters". I think you're more advanced in this area in the States than we are in the UK.
- Miranda Richardson
not sure if i fully agree with you (even your 2/3 dead posted elsewhere), but this is exactly why i love reading your blog and why i'll follow your conversations wherever you have them. and so my thought: comments aren't dead, they are just simultaneously getting more dispersed (friendfeed+twitter) and easier to follow (disqus). however, commenting is still the domain of the few. i think new and very different forms of interaction around content will come soon (i'm working on one myself).
- mike
Really ;-)
- sachin sawant
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