Yeah, sorry I couldn't respond to that one before. :-)
- Kevin Fox
well i be darned .... we now can rejoice, since fast paced additions to already good product are surely fastly coming about off the feedpipe ... it'l be a hectic season of finest upgrades ... I'm sure they'l start with keyboard shortcutze. ... I mean Google Reader rules on that. Intelligent to the extreme. ..Google.com, on the other hand - are we sleeping? .. not even "/" ??.. and that...
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- pb:
Congrats Ben! Totally agree with Jason. Our latest project wouldn't have become feasible without Ben -- I'm just so glad we managed to get a fraction of his time before he left! :)
- Simon
Congratulations, Ben! You're joining an awesome team.
- Anne Bouey
Congrats, you are now a "big company"! ;))))
- K.D.
That's not my picture! They got the picture wrong! In fact, I didn't get the letter of hire either. :( Oh, Hi there, Ben...if that's your real name. ;)
- Josh Haley
Good luck Ben! With you our preferred service will go more interesting
- Roberto
from fftogo
I think there were a bunch of spam comments made to some 2009-era posts by FF employees. For some reason even after the spam is nuked, the post stays bumped.
- Stephen Mack
Yes, I blocked a spammer that was bumping old posts about FF themes and what not.
- Zulema ⋅ spicy cocoa tart
Well, let's see this as an opportunity to raise a virtual glass to Ben and FriendFeed-that-was!
- Kevin Fox
It probably had something to do with the Tornado 2.2 release. I noticed Ben was the one who posted about the release on HN earlier. Edit: Or it could have just been a spammer. *shrugs*
- Jimminy, CoG of FF
I don't think it had anything to do with the tornado release - a spammer bumped a bunch of Bret's old posts today.
- Ben Darnell
Can you remind me again where to find those stats?
- Brian Johns
Brian, go to "Me" link (http://friendfeed.com/brianjo...) which defaults to the Feed tab. Look at the sidebar on the right, below Discussion.
- Micah
0.75 (926/1226) - still relatively new here
- mikepk
I only see my stats for the last week (17/14 = 1.21) Please tell me your 670 number is for more than just a week!
- Brian Johns
1.44 (566/391) for brianjohns (after week tally you should see a comma then 'all time' count - I can see it on your page)
- Micah
OK, sorry. I'm a total dumbass. I stopped reading after the weekly totals...
- Brian Johns
3.74, which seems way off of everybody else's. I wonder what that says. I comment a lot more than I like.
- Cyrus Lendvay
FFers use FF with their own strategy or simply default tendencies. The ratio is an interesting snapshot of behaviour. Thanks for joining in everyone, hope more keep flowing in.
- Micah
from twhirl
0.66 - I tend to 'like' things without needing to comment further, I guess, and I notice I usually like the things upon which I comment. Well, frequently.
- ɐ ɯıʞ sıɹɥɔ
.39 (2457/6242) I guess I don't comment much. I do 'like' a lot of things, it would seem.
- Bren
0.62 then again i have over 11,000 comments
- Cee Bee
1.23 (5287/4229) - I am put to shame by Cee Bee's participation, good grief!
- Lindsay
So far: Average: 1.27 | Median: 0.81 ... (if you average 1 comment per like, you'd be 1.0 ... if you're 0.xx you might herd content more than discuss ... if you're whole numbers above 1 you may not 'like' much or discuss plenty or both)
- Micah
InPerpetualMotion(Gina k), I really liked this 'Like' of yours (in a series of pics, so I flickr fav'd it): http://friendfeed.com/e... and commented. Thanks!
- Micah
.68 6986/10194 Someone wrote a great article on the comment-like ratio a few months ago. Search on FriendFeed is crashing on me... I'll try to get the link.
- Mitchell Tsai
Thanks Mitchell (btw, search crashing on me too - lots)
- Micah
1316 comments/20221 likes (0.06), according to Windows Calculator, although I probably screwed up.
- Tyson Key
A recent change in FF: now the comment count shows total number of comments (previously multiple comments in one thread only counted as one) http://friendfeed.com/e... so all the numbers above are from the old methodology....
- David HC Soul
My new ratio: 0.76 all time (old methodology .52).... this week 1.39
- David HC Soul
Looks like my ratio as flipped again (comments back to dominating again). Seems to match my own awareness I've lately been commenting without Liking (commenting is my inherent recognition of value to me and the additional Like is when it merits an extra bump to help discovery by others).
- Micah
Rick, you mean that face with glasses I photoshopped tint into with an apparently disembodied arm which is actually very much attached to my eldest son? It's mostly just me :)
- Micah
Thanks, Michael. Yes, you have a rising tide of comment percentage (oh, wow, you were one of the originals from January - cool!)
- Micah
Yeah, that's a decent upward rise in comments, Nicholas.
- Micah
.6 (6,000/10,000) 3rd update - Now it's time to flip this on its head. My goal is to have (16,000/16,000) next time I post here. Regardless of what happens, I'm just looking forward to the next 10,000 comments, likes, posts, and new relationships I make here. It's all good!
- Michael Fidler
1.76 (7539/4290) My commenting habits haven't chanced much, but it felt like I clicked Like a lot less, and this ratio confirms that for me.
- Micah
.82 as of right now. edit: on January 8th it was 0.39 -- when I saw that, I decided to make more of an effort to comment. When I hit 10k "likes" I decided I wouldn't "like" anything else until I also had 10k comments.
- Bren
Jimminy, I'm copyrighting every single number. It's kind of a honeypot ;) Actually, it was curiosity mostly, but I also hope to build a sampling (small and self-selecting as it may be) for anyone who might want to analyze it.
- Micah
Wow I didn't realize I was so out of whack!! 12.23 that's got to be a record (and I don't even import my feeds with the summary as a comment)!!
- Chris Myles
Thanks JA, Chris (wow, 12+ is unusual :), Serkan and Nine!
- Micah
Micah.. I told you I take my likes seriously; ). You *might* want to ask (in a separate post) what percentage of likes were used to "bookmark" a post or save it for later VS actually "liking it". I NEVER used like for that.. but I did use a private group that if filled with my own topics (and comments)..
- Chris Myles
Likes are down relative to comments, which matches my much lower frequency of liking. I'm a more selective liker than ever.
- Micah
I don't think I could argue that any particular kind of ratio is "best", because if Lurkers like to Lurk and cultivate (via Likes) and the Chatty-ites love to chat, to pump out much many more comments than Likes, each can be happy and make for a great social experience.
- Micah
wow, what a difference time makes, when i 1st posted on this thread, 6.43%, now = 1.25%, for a 5.18% difference, :o (and this is the earliest post to date i've recovered of my activity on ff)
- chaz2b
chaz, I think there's been a big fluctuation for most people (maybe not that much). This is the oldest post on which you commented that you've recovered?
- Micah
that was my third post... It's interesting to see how the number has changed. of course, I manipulated the number to a degree, because I stopped "liking" things for a while...
- Bren
Bren, the other thing that can seriously throw off someone's stats is a feed that upon each item it imports adds a comment automatically.
- Micah
true. that can seriously inflate comment stats, of course. Then you have someone like RAPatton, who posts a gazillion comments, in part because of his playlist posts where he will list each song in a separate comment. I found, after this post in fact, that I tended to "like" things much more frequently than comment on them, that I was lurking instead of participating. I have changed the way I use ff rather considerably, and I think for the better.
- Bren
In 4 days it will be 1 year since my first recorded stat here. My comments/like were almost a 1:1 ratio then. Now comments are almost double likes for me.
- Micah
75,415 comments/1,286 likes = 58.64 - i wish the auto inserted comments didn't get counted... the true number is probably much much close ot my number of likes
- Chris Heath
1.97%. thanks again micah, this has been a great metric to measure my first year here on ff. As the year went (this being the first record of me being here that i've found): , 6.43%:1.25%:1.97%
- chaz2b
Chris, Bren, thank you. And chaz2b, thank you too - glad it's a special marker for you. :)
- Micah
63.58 (97,534/1,534) -- interesting that my last three digits are the same there, eh? (note, i already posted a month or two ago when i first saw this thread)
- Chris Heath
Last year my comments were around 7000 and likes around 2500, for a ratio of 2.80. I consciously chose to do more liking over the last year. As of today my comments number 10,782 and likes number 7,666, for a ratio of 1.41.
- Stephen Mack
Jason, Stephen - cool. Thanks for keeping updated here. :)
- Micah
Okay, Micah. <----I had to resist the urge not to post that because I know it's going to up my comment count. ;)
- Jenny R
But how many of those primordial, high interest posts are still active. Uh huh. :)
- Micah
Thanks, Morton. BTW, when you posted in February, it was exactly 0.13 also.
- Micah
Jenny, resistance is futile; embrace the rising tide of comments.
- Micah
Comments are more difficult and time consuming than Likes. I'd be happy about a high comment:likes ratio except that many are surely imported from feeds, while every Like is manual.
- Mike Chelen
it has changed to 2.2256 now as Sep, 6 2010.Labor Day. :) I added the date for future references.
- ۳۰ مرغ Loves Y'ALLLLL
I had exactly a 2:1 ratio as previously reported [Aug 30, '09], now I am at: 1.7241:1 ratio. 6,067 comments to 3,519 likes.
- The Ghost of Library Past
Two years later and my ratio has climbed from 3.4 to 4.675. I've got a lot to say, apparently.
- Kevin Fox
Funnily, I didn't notice until after leaving that comment that when I reported my stat in 2009 I also followed it up with "I've got stuff to say." I didn't say it was *new* stuff...
- Kevin Fox
2.91; 6.43% (@ 2yrs ago) 2.33% (@ 1yr ago). for history's sake, this thread was started shortly after i found friendfeed, or friendfeed found me, so it holds a special place in my heart. thanks for keeping it around mr micah
- chaz2b
You're certainly welcome, chaz2b. In some way it feels like a living heirloom to me. :)
- Micah
3 (2.991) (and now the list has become too lengthy for me to track my progress, ;) [dumb me, i have a post not 10 lines ago in history, from 090711 2.91; 6.43% (@ 2yrs ago) 2.33% (@ 1yr ago) ;) ]
- chaz2b
So an acquaintance of mine was going to drive out from Los Angeles and stop by New Orleans on her way to Georgia to visit, but canceled her plans when they realized they were going to be driving through the rural south.
Now granted I'm male, but the tragedies of the South with regard to race, equity, interactions, and say, law enforcement aren't lost on me and maybe it's because I've made that drive cross country a few times, but I thought her decision was a bit rash. I have to admit that since living here, my own eyebrows have been raised a bit with things I've seen and heard, but not to the extent of where I would cancel a road trip because of problems of race relations in the American South.
- Derrick
So, what I'm asking, I guess, is: Is it just me? Is she being overly cautious? What are your thoughts? Would you be afraid to drive across the country alone? Do you think it'd be different for an African-American woman to make that drive?
- Derrick
Driving alone, I'd be more worried about nodding off than about anything racial. Maybe my perspective is skewed because I drive alone in several parts of the country, some of which have tragic racial pasts. Some of these aren't even in the south. I mean, Montana? Really? I wouldn't cancel a trip because of it. Then again, I believe I would have considered that long before getting this far into planning the trip.
- ha3rvey ($10 HUGS!!!)
After talking to her I got the impression that there are nothing but racists, rednecks, thuggish trifling dirty cops who are hellbent to make the lives of anyone who wasn't blond and blue-eyed a living hell. As if she's duped herself into thinking that the stereotypes and cliches of the South are truths and she can only ever be a victim. Which is a sad place to be in, I think.
- Derrick
A woman traveling alone has to be more cautious. However, if she is not going to make pitstops in those areas, then she shouldn't worry.
- Shevonne
I wouldnt be afraid to drive across the country alone, long as I had a working cell phone and had people waiting on me to check in with them (so someone would know if I got caught, all Deliverance-style). But my concerns as a white female are really just "female" concerns, such as I'm more concerned about being blown off the road by a trucker on speed, being attacked at a rest stop or...
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- ωαřмaiden TeamOtto
I've driven from Texas to Florida, Georgia, Tennessee, and through the south to New Jersey several times alone or with my son. We even had a flat tire on the side of the highway in Alabama and had no problems. I'm white, but I was a female traveling alone and I wasn't scared. I think she's overreacting a bit.
- Trish R
She's from Atlanta, which is a major city, obviously. Lot of industry, etc. and isn't some backwater town, though I do wonder what she's experienced in her life to make her feel this strongly about it. I mean, she was really frightened by the prospect of it and it just seemed to be a bit much to me.
- Derrick
Is she staying on the Interstates and major highways? If so, I don't think there is much to worry about. At least I hope so.
- Eric
I'm the kind of woman that the rural South calls "ma'am." I wouldn't worry about driving alone. Your friend? Depending somewhat on her age... yeah, I'm not going to call her concerns overblown. Concerns double if there's anything about her or her car's appearance that rubs Not From Around Here in anyone's face -- I drive rentals, so it's not a concern for me personally.
- RepoRat
I find it kind of funny, D. Almost ironic. My family had to drive all over "the rural south" for decades if they wanted to work or to see more than their own back yard. It's kind of like my local white brethren (and sistren) who blanche at going to Detroit because of "the crime." Like people in the outlying counties don't steal and murder? I'm glad I had a chance to experience some of what my parents experienced first hand. It gives a fuller perspective.
- MoTO Bott
It's not like she's going to suddenly tear ass down some dirt road on the way to New Orleans. She'd be on major highways the entire time.
- Akiva
When I went with my ex and the kids to West Virginia to his parents' cabin one Christmas, I was afraid to get out of the car because of all the stuff I had heard about West VA and watching "Deliverance." There was one point where he wanted me to get out of the car to ask for directions, and I refused. I can see where she is coming from because I also had that fear. However, like I said, if she makes a point to not have to get out of the car in those areas, then she should be fine.
- Shevonne
It's not Mississippi Burning down here. Things have progressed just a bit from the 1950s.
- Trish R
I think it really speaks about the larger context of race and what we think about it. I remember reading something in one of my race/sociology classes that said something to the effect of white people in America don't much think about race, whereas people of color can find themselves almost consumed by it.
- Derrick
Agreed, MWM. I feel like Jay Smooth. *flexes* Thanks for the conversation, y'all. I think it's possible for people of all backgrounds to talk about race and it need not be fire and brimstone.
- Derrick
I can't speak for her since I'm a mostly white, white-looking woman. But I have grown up in the south, and if the trip is all interstate and whatnot, I wouldn't worry. There are places where I'd be hesitant to stop by myself at night, and I'd heed the car/driving warning above - because in many instances I'd be more concerned about law enforcement than just folks. So long story short, I...
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- Rachel Walden
To your point about thinking about race D, it's something I've considered for a long time. When white people feel free (or annoyed) enough to ask me why I talk about race "so much" I tell them I think about it practically every day. When they ask why, I ask them why they don't. Some get it.
- MoTO Bott
For me, the answer is 'For white people in England, white is the 'default'; it is the 'norm' so not thought about. Nothing in day to day life has made you think about it, except in so far as race is something other people have and may be held out by some as threatening in some way.'
- Pete
I would argue that's the case here as well, Pete.
- Derrick
Being Jewish, I think about race a lot as well although it is in a different way. I'm mostly concerned about my safety or about property damage. It's a regular occurrence to have temples defaced, mezuzot stolen from homes, etc. And years ago, a man entered the Seattle Jewish Federation and opened fire, trying to kill as many Jews as he could. It's different but it makes me very empathetic about the concerns of race.
- Akiva
And for white you could sub in 'male' and 'straight'
- Pete
And, re Akiva, "Christian" (cultural if not observant)
- Pete
None of that stuff would concern me, but I would never pretend to know what it feels like to be anything other than a white woman. Joel and I have driven from Texas to Florida and Texas to West Virginia several times and we never worried about it. I am ashamed to admit that race wasn't something I thought about until I started dating Joel. I really started to notice it then was when we...
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- Michelle M
Yeah... Her concerns are overblown. Most of the south has progressed pay that point. The ones that haven't won't care as much once they learn she is just passing through.
- tiffany
from Android
TBH, Nebraska, Iowa and South Dakota make me worry far more than Texas, Arkansas or Lousiana. perhaps that's cos i've lived down here for so long, tho.
- Joe The Sausage
As a former traveling deadhead, I avoid the deep south with a vengeance. Even thought I don't look like one anymore (and neither does my car...). I know way too many people who have had the crap beaten out of them for no reason for being long hairs.
- RudĩϐЯaЯïan
(and I, perhaps stupidly, never worry about driving long distance alone. I've crossed this country literally dozens of times alone when I lived in CA and in NY and visited family in IL. The cheap motel room is the only time I worry, and that's gender talking)
- RudĩϐЯaЯïan
I think she needs to read something besides James Dickey.
- Anne Graham
I guess my only concerns would be the couple of towns that are, at this point, famous for stopping people and seizing large amounts of cash for dubious reasons (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...) and the mentioned above: nodding off if I'm driving by myself at night. The first one is less likely to befall me than the second.
- Jennifer Dittrich
I'd have no problem doing that, but it's hard to tell what will trigger fears for various people.
- Soup in a TARDIS
I'm male and white and I have traveled to many places in the US (Northeast, the Deep South and the West) by myself and I never encountered anything out of the ordinary. I'd say that I may have been more vigilant if I would have been black. I don't know what it would be like if I were female ... To me it sounds a bit like a stretch to cancel a trip because of that.
- Rene, Pro Button Pusher
My parents used to take us on long road trips to places like Wyoming and South Dakota, and I was at an age where those sorts of thoughts never really entered my mind. But, years later, my mom tells me she did worry about being accosted or waylaid by racists, especially racist law enforcement. I've driven by myself through southern Illinois, Missouri, Oklahoma, Texas, and Arizona where...
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- Victor Ganata
I'm more afraid of walking around the Tenderloin in SF than I am about anything I might encounter in the deep South. For better or for worse, racists have become (generally speaking) less overt in their tactics in recent generations. Instead of sitting on front porches with shot guns they sit in courtrooms with gavels, coin campaign slogans at tea party gatherings and rant on call in...
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- Nakachi
from FFHound!
Awesome, badass. And look at you Kisha. I see you with them shoes! Z, cover up, it's getting to be cold season. Katie, I saw your feed, boo. Holla. Eric, what are you sipping on tonight. *muah!* to errybody. :)
- Derrick
It is as cold as all the fucks and raining like all the hells in Oakland tonight. I got one minute left on the dryer and just finished some homework. It's not fireworks, but I'm safe and blessed so, all good! :)
- Nakachi
from BuddyFeed
I got some Jim Beam and Cola mister. Having a grand old time. Posting to FF and talking to Elena about FF. Then posting again. The cycle continues.
- Eric
What up, D! I am good. Been busy as hell today, but now I am just chillin, enjoying the pouring rain outside and a nice fire. It would be better if I was snuggling with someone though. Le sigh.
- Tamara J.
chris! *running chest bump* caj, I wish you were here, my friend.
- Derrick
Good, just waiting for one more child to fall asleep...
- adf
Much better than earlier. Knocked back a bourbon and coke, got some laundry done, other half made a badass dinner for us, read the boy a cool book about prime numbers, and now I'm feeling your love so, yeah, I'm blessed.
- Laura Norvig
from iPhone
D, I'm good, my friend. We just got in from grocery shopping. Tomorrow morning, I teach Ms. McGrouchyPants how to make peach cobbler. She needs it for a fund-raiser at their school's fall festival. There was Digital Underground earlier.
- ha3rvey ($10 HUGS!!!)
Um...Three? Please to be sending me cobbler. kthanksbai.
- Cheryl
Cheryl? Cheryl? Cheryl? Cheryl? Cheryl? How you doing? ;)
- Derrick
ok. I just jolted awake. Apparently I fell asleep while watching tv. That doesn't happen very often.
- Katy S
Ha3, that's awesome. Is she up for the challenge?
- Derrick
Adam, you're doing the weekend right. I can't wait for school to be out. I'll be lounging too. I'll hit you for a refresher. Cheryl, you know how I feel about your living room.
- Derrick
I struggle with this with Wifey. I personally think she's drop dead gorgeous. She doesn't see it though. Most of the time at least. Usually when I tell her she's beautiful she says she's glad I think so. I don't think so I know so. I just wish she did too. She seems to be getting better in this area but it's hard to tell if it's just a show for my benefit or if she's truly convinced in her mind and heart that it is so.
- DB Botts - Just DB Botts
Madison Avenue? Edit: It's so profitable for them to believe otherwise?
- MoTO Bott
I know for her it's tied into the weight issues she's struggled with her whole life. Her Mom really mind *bleeped* her in that area. It angers me every time she tells me stories of various diets her Mom put her on and comments she used to make.
- DB Botts - Just DB Botts
It seems cliched, but Barry is right - it's hard to watch Victoria's Secret commercials and feel like you can compete on the dating marketplace. Even though we realize that there are 8 women in the whole world who look like supermodels, that's what we feel like we have to achieve to be "beautiful". The funny thing is, I can look at women who are most decidedly not supermodels and find them beautiful, but I can't seem to do the same for myself.
- Webgoddess Needs A Drink
I don't know. Maybe it's just me but I like a woman with a little more meat on her bones. Can't have a skinny minnie. Sure those other women look nice. But normal sized women look nice too. Who can afford the clothes the models model anyway? :-)
- DB Botts - Just DB Botts
I wish I could tell ya. I struggle with this, sometimes more than others. And lately, getting in shape and losing the extra weight has made me more critical.
- Just Katie
I agree with Webgoddess. When you hear about guys drooling over girls, they're almost always talking about Victoria's Secret models or something like that. After years of hearing guys talking about that, most women get it into a mindset that if a guy really likes that, he must not like me because I don't look anything like that.
- Rochelle
I also get the feeling that some (most?) guys think that VS-type bodies are the default. If you're heavier or have scars or wrinkles or whatever, that's the exception and you're expected to explain or rationalize why you look that way, even if the guy says he doesn't mind it.
- Rochelle
@Rochelle I agree. The thing that everyone (men and women) have to realize is that these VS models usually have done some form of plastic surgery, and they have tons of makeup to cover any flaws on their faces and bodies.
- Shevonne
Kesha cried a lot last summer when the bandages came off for good and she was able to see the large scar down the center of her belly last summer. She wouldn't let me touch it and didn't even want me looking at her. I told her without that scar you wouldn't be here anymore so I think the scar looks great. She's still self conscious about it but seems to have moved on from the initial horror and embarrassment.
- DB Botts - Just DB Botts
Let's also not forget airbrushing and Photoshop. Even models are enhanced in most photos and that's the standard we're given for what is beautiful.
- Trish R
Yep. With a good graphic artist, I'd look gorgeous in pictures too. Although, I wouldn't look like me. But I think most people hit it right on the head here. And I think girls are getting this message at an even younger age these days. We've also become a society where fat-hate is perfectly acceptable.
- Jyl BlueBott
For me, I think I am beautiful inside and out. The only thing I am super self-conscious about are the stretch marks on my stomach due to having two children. However, I am slowly learning to realize that everyone has flaws, and if a guy doesn't like me due to that, then there will be another one who does. I've also learned not to compare myself to celebrities and models. They even have their flaws.
- Shevonne
@Katie: you're more critical after losing the extra weight? I would think that would be the opposite. Do you mean that in the sense that there are still problem areas you don't like even though in general you're closer to where you want to be? I can identify with that. Kesha seems to be gaining confidence as she gets smaller but obviously it's different for everyone. Losing weight is helping my confidence too.
- DB Botts - Just DB Botts
When I first met Kesha's Grandma she asked me what made me fall in love with a girl in a wheel chair? This was a few years before her hip surgeries. I told her it didn't matter to me. Once I got to know the real her and not just the superficial outside stuff it was impossible not to. I think I'm used to people judging me on outside appearance so I'm more attuned to trying to dig past...
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- DB Botts - Just DB Botts
Thanks for the insights ladies. I'm just trying to understand what her mindset may be so can maybe help her along that path. I've been trying for almost 6 years now. I think it's time for a change in tactics. Ultimately though I guess the change is going to have to come from within her. I can't change that.
- DB Botts - Just DB Botts
No, you can't. You just have to continue what you have been doing and tell her that she is beautiful just the way she is. <3
- Shevonne
Having someone she loves telling her she's beautiful on a VERY regular basis will help. Repetition drills information into your head, you know.
- Webgoddess Needs A Drink
I think the fact that you recognize this and want to help her says a lot to begin with! Just keep doing what you're doing. :)
- Rochelle
I don't understand it either and I admit that it annoys me when my friends go into the self-degradation. And for some people, especially in some online spaces, that is used to get more attention. It's utterly bizarre to see the cycle perpetuate. I think not looking like the default, being raised to not fall into trendy stuff and be an individual and my just being cynical about advertising is why I avoided it. Now thinking of those Girl Crush lists I hid last night and...yeah. That's part if it, too.
- Anika
from FFHound!
All Women are beautiful. PERIOD.It's ALL in the inside !!
- Peter Dawson
My mother has always rated women by their appearance and still does. If I ask how someone is doing, she will tell me how they look. I think a lot of mothers of girls do this, sometimes unintentionally. It's unfortunate. I was thinking about this the other day when I realized that I put on makeup just to go over to my parent's house, even if I've been working in the yard, but I'll go to the grocery store in sweatpants and no makeup. I also agree with Anika that it's perpetuated online.
- Trish R
Wifey's really big into celebrity gossip. I don't think that helps. A lot of times she'll be looking at the latest pictures from such and such event and will say she's beautiful. I feel like if I say something in the affirmative in response it's only going to feed into her negative feelings about herself. Sometimes it feels like a setup. Other times it just seems like a man she's beautiful I wish I was type of thing.
- DB Botts - Just DB Botts
That's true D. I have to admit I struggle with it too at times. But not for the same reasons I don't think.
- DB Botts - Just DB Botts
I am usually pretty okay with myself. I think it's mostly due to the fact that I didn't watch TV really from ages 15-21, and then found the Heath at Every Size/Body Acceptance movements when I was 25 or so. When I'm in pain I'm harsher on myself, too. It's like that being angry with my body for hurting me means I take revenge and insult it for this flaw or that flaw. Being thinner or fatter doesn't mess with my confidence, but regular exercise helps it.
- Lix
Do you think this is something that improves with age? I have a friend I used to play soccer with. She said she loved her 30's cause she started growing comfortable in her own skin. When turned 40 she said nobody could tell her she didn't look good. :-)
- DB Botts - Just DB Botts
DB - I don't know. My mom absolutely resists being in family pictures because she can't stand to see how old she thinks she looks. Here she is last year, a couple days before she turned 71: http://www.flickr.com/photos... I think she looks great. She doesn't. I wish I could fix that.
- Katy S
I recently read Feed Me http://www.goodreads.com/book... and it contained a few essays by women in the size 2-6 range who's boyfriends and partners harassed them about their weight. It was depressing. I know someone who's now-ex-husband pushed and pushed at her to get plastic surgery. She didn't. He's now married to a woman who looks like a younger, bustier version of her.
- Katy S
So, we get it from media directly, but also from others who are also affected by media.
- Katy S
My point exactly, Katy with an S. It profits both Madison Avenue and "men" (in the aggregate) for women to believe otherwise. Makes them easier to manipulate. What's so great about being "beautiful" in the first place? It's largely either: a. an accident of birth or b: the result of superior resources. And I'm not talking about inner beauty here: verve, grace, intelligence, wit,...
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- MoTO Bott
For some of us, age helps because as we get older, we gain some perspective. For me, I've also ended up with some fantastic female friends who have a boatload of substance...and who I think are gorgeous on so many levels. That has helped a great deal. It also has helped to have a spouse who loves my many curvse, but who also reminds me that I'm intelligent, funny, caring, etc. Those are...
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- Jyl BlueBott
Whenever I see a really skinny girl my first thought is usually "That girl needs to eat a sammich (or two)." :-)
- DB Botts - Just DB Botts
But, that's harassing them about their weight, too. I know women who are naturally very slender and who get comments like that all of the time, or people assume that they have an eating disorder. It comes from both sides.
- Katy S
Eh, how is that different from seeing an overweight girl and thinking, "That girl needs to skip a meal or two"? I think that's just as hurtful.
- Rochelle
Is there a difference between not liking the way you look (and wanting to change it) vs. hate and self loathing or is it all the same thing just to different degrees?
- DB Botts - Just DB Botts
That's true. But I have never and would never actually say that to them. They can look how they want to look. It's not for me to say otherwise.
- DB Botts - Just DB Botts
Still that is the same thing from the opposite direction. A different side of the same prejudice I guess. Edit: Hadn't really thought of it that way before. I've been on the opposite end of the weight spectrum for a long time and thus tend to view things through that lense.
- DB Botts - Just DB Botts
I would guess that many models/celebs feel they are unattractive or downright ugly. For example, I think Portia deRossi is beautiful and funny and yet she has struggled with eating disorders and other issues. I know there's got to be many others. Beauty and one's self-perception are all in the mind and the only way to shift those beliefs and attitudes is to dig down to their roots and deal with it from there.
- Corinne L
I think there's nothing you can personally do except work to convince her that you think she's attractive - not just to you, but that she is, as a person. That's vitally important, and it takes different things for different people - words, being romanced, being flirted with... But it may not help her to see herself that way. It's a separate, but related issue. It's a fight she has to...
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- Lix
from FFHound!
Grenson is my absolute favorite brand of shoes. They're pricey but handmade and worth the cost. I also know that between the four pair I have, that I'm set for a very long time. No steel toe that I know of, Glen.
- Derrick
haha, I'm very excited about these. I've looked at them for most of the year and they were expensive and hard to find in the states. I still had to buy them from the UK, but I can't wait. They'll last a lifetime.
- Derrick
I remember when I would watch “Sense and Sensibility,” and I felt that Marianne and I understood one another. We both were very idealistic, passionate, and living in a dream world. Just like she met Willoughby, I met G., and
- Shevonne
Great quote about hope at the end. "Hope is the little voice you hear whisper 'maybe' when it seems the entire world is screaming 'no'" ...
- Amani
"Afraid of tearing your delicate rotator cuff in an overly heated snowball fight? The Crossbow Snow Launcher ($40) can save you from career-ending surgery. Simply load a snowball into the front, pull back the lever, and fire your icy projectile up to 60 feet. Snowball press included for the truly lazy."
- Derrick
from Bookmarklet
I'm assuming some kind of music video. This is a popular dance/activity of some kind...I think in Jamaica. There was an epidemic of broken weiners as a result. (this is not a joke)
- Rah-PM 2012
I'm going with an 8. His legs clearly separated during the aerial pelvic thrust and his arm placement was clearly off before the landing.
- Rah-PM 2012
Dude...that video is just...WTF. I thought I'd seen it all, but they're just blatantly miming all types of innapropriate shit to the nth degree
- Rah-PM 2012
That video made my netherbits hurt just watching it. :-/
- Hookuh Tinypants
Probably hasn't been heard of since because you can actually BREAK YOUR WINKY! Which is highly disturbing to me. Hence why I would never even think of doing this. I treasure my winky, along with a relatively small number of other individuals.
- Rah-PM 2012
Also see http://jezebel.com/5234308... - in particular, "Just when you were getting over the horror of daggering, a video of extreme dancing to reggae music shows a man jumping off of an 8 foot column on to the crotch of a woman.Oh yeah: And then he throws a table at her."
- ωαřмaiden TeamOtto
This is why my Guyanese half and my Jamaican half have issue with each other. LOL.
- Rah-PM 2012
I actually came over here to see if Kam was okay. And I get an education ... ;-) FF FTW.
- Auntie Buttinsky Botts
from iPhone
Thank you all.<3 Today has been crazy. I go from being fine and surprised about how normal I feel, and then completely breaking down and sobbing the next minute. I'm scared to go home in a few days because it's going to be a full week of heavy heart and tears. Right now, I've got a 3,000 mile barrier from the reality of the situation.
- Anna Haro
that's horrible. my condolences for you Anna - I hope you have enough strength to help your sister through this besides your own pain. feel hugged.
- esther
My condolences to you and your family Anna. So sorry for your loss. Sending you love <3
- Penny
I think I want to get into graphic design, but I feel SO overwhelmed by how little experience I have in the field. And, by little experience, I mean NONE. ZERO. NADA. I was looking at graduate programs online...and yeah, that’s not happening. It’s expected to have a related undergraduate degree. I have a degree in Sociology & Gov. :( I don’t know...
Dude. Me too. Whatever you do, keep me looped in.
- Mike Nayyar
If I were you I'd start with learning the basic software programs that are required for print and web design. Not that knowing how to use the software *makes* you a designer but it's something you don't necessarily need to go to school to learn. Learn the programs and start building a portfolio of spec work. You can do illustrations, make up logos, whatever floats your boat. Just start creating some work.
- Spidra Webster
Start reading books about design principles. The Elements of Typographic Style by Robert Bringhurst; Design Literacy: Understanding Graphic Design by Karen Pomeroy; The Education of a Graphic Designer by Steven Heller ; Logo, Font & Lettering Bible by Leslie Cabarga, etc.
- Spidra Webster
I could be wrong but I think if you build up a strong portfolio, many schools won't care that your degree is in Sociology.
- Spidra Webster
I worked in that field for a couple of years, and Spidra is right on - learning the tools, and starting to create some art for your portfolio is a great first step.
- Jennifer Dittrich
Mike, will do. Spidra, Thank You! Thanks, Jennifer. :)
- Anna Haro
I'd think hard about why a degree is important to you, though. Graphic designers aren't paid all that much unless they're art directors or are tops in their field. There's so much competition. You might rack up a lot of school debt to pay off and the schooling might not be all that.
- Spidra Webster
Spidra is right on I believe. I would throw Tufte into that pile of books to read too.
- SAM
Thanks, Sam. @Spidra, I'm fine *not* having to earn a degree. I'm just intimidated by the whole thing right now because of my lack of experience. But you're right, I can teach myself the basics and build from there. thanks, again.
- Anna Haro
Anna do want to go into print design? Or creating visual art? Making brochures and annual reports according to brand/design guidelines? Do you want to create those brand/design guidelines? Do you want to design website sites?
- Zulema ⋅ spicy cocoa tart
from Android
Heh! Zulema, there are so many people with the title "graphic designer" on their business cards who've never actually studied design...just the programs. :) Don't be too intimidated.
- Spidra Webster
I work with graphic designers/art directors who design websites and print materials. They mostly have BFAs in Visual Communications or the like. I was taught some design principles, print rules, typography rules for my degree (BFA in multimedia and web design).
- Zulema ⋅ spicy cocoa tart
from Android
Get familiar with Photoshop and Illustrator. Some InDesign too. Sometimes just taking some crash courses in those software apps go a long way towards helping you figure things out. :) Good luck!
- Zulema ⋅ spicy cocoa tart
from FFHound(roid)!
Another good place to start is at Before & After - http://bamagazine.com . John McWade really cuts to the chase in terms of how to make things look good, and another person I admire a lot is Andy Rutledge, who doesn't really mean to be educating designers when he blogs, but he almost can't help it. His home page - literally - it will connect you to a bunch of other things he does - is...
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- Auntie Buttinsky Botts
Anna! Yay! I wish I had helpful info for you. I was just excited to see you.
- Yolanda
from Android
I think the Internet has been a huge benefit to budding graphic designers. Free tools, websites, plenty or good and bad examples to look at. Design a business card and post it here for people to critique, setup a cheap website that you can experiment with when learning the tools. Just get going and learn!
- Kenton
I have nothing to contribute other than I love you like a play cousin, chica. Good to see you. :)
- Derrick
Wow, Anna is back on FriendFeed! :D Seriously, Anna, you should take some classes like extended ed at a local university or community college courses to learn the basics. At the same time, network with local graphic design people to get your feet wet with the industry. I would also recommend building a portfolio, by freelancing and contributing to open source such as the Fedora project...
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- imabonehead
"Four days after losing 1-0 to Costa Rica in California, the U.S. men's national team fell to Belgium by the same score in Brussels on Tuesday afternoon. The hosts won the game through a second-half goal from defender Nicolas Lombaerts."
- Georgie Bestie
from Bookmarklet
I didn't watch the match closely, but I was surprised by the result. Dempsey looked angry.
- Georgie Bestie
I thought their cohesion was really lacking against Costa Rica for most of the game, and they've had trouble finishing. I think I was expecting them to lose this one, but to start finding their feet pretty soon.
- Jennifer Dittrich
I was at the Costa Rica game and they didn't look good after the first 30 minutes. They do have a lot of new players on the team now. They need individual playmakers badly. Someone who can break down a defender and continue on.
- Amani
When is the article when you explain why Mulholland Drive is ranked #3 out of your all time favorite movies? That movie just flat out confused me. :(
- Amani
That's a hard question. At the top of my head, there's some scenes from Forrest Gump that look great. Wing of Desire. The Big Blue (http://www.imdb.com/title...), but I'd probably have to watch that again. I need to see The Tree of Life.
- Rodfather
I could go in different directions. Amelie and City of Lost Children had great style. As did Wong Kar Wai movies with Christopher Doyle.
- Rodfather
What Rodfather said. "Chungking Express" and "In The Mood for Love" were beautifully shot by Doyle.
- Adam
Wow, the dude who shot The Tree of Life did Children of Men. Loved the look of that movie.
- Rodfather
I love the look of "Oldboy" and "Lady Vengeance" too, both shot by Chung-hoon Chung (though I suspect that director Park Chan-wook had some influence :)).
- Adam
WKW would've been another great choice, Rodfather.
- Jandy
Amani, Mulholland Drive is ranked #3 because I love that film. :) It's one of the few movies that emotionally overwhelms me so much every time I see it that it takes me a few hours to recover. I saw it in a theatre one time (not its original release) and I almost couldn't walk to my car. It's confusing the first time you see it, but it does pretty much all make sense, and rewatches on it are great.
- Jandy
Just thinking about seeing Mulholland Drive right now is making me light up inside. I love that movie. I can't explain it, make concrete sense of it, but for me I don't need to. It's like trying to explain what the number 93 tastes like. For me that's part of the fun; you can't, and I think that's why I love it so much.
- Derrick
Well said, D. I try to describe it, but really it's just that it overwhelms me, fills me up. Exactly what that means or what causes it, I'm not sure.
- Jandy
I'm gonna have to track it down this weekend. Now I want to see it. ;)
- Derrick
I haven't seen it! I know it was divisive, like most of his work, but I'm not sure why I never got around to seeing it. I remember seeing Blue Velvet when I was like 14 and it was so O_O. I like Lynch (I remember seeing him shopping at The Grove...), his body of work is so indelibly him. I'd love to take the time to go back and look at his work and ponder it, but it's so...well, you know what I'm saying. Complex? Layered? Lynchian?
- Derrick
I fell in love with Blue Velvet in a film class. It was fun attempting to break it down as it was one of the subjects. I loved that class. We saw a movie every Monday in a little indie theater in downtown San Luis Obispo.
- Rodfather
from iPhone
You'd certainly never mistake any of his films for anyone else. Except maybe The Straight Story. But I quite like Inland Empire. It's like Mulholland Drive on steroids. Less cohesive and way more messy.
- Jandy
Well now it makes sense Jandy. I was rather disturbed afterwards as well. I am going to need to rewatch it a few times. SO many things that need a 2nd look. But I did enjoy it. I am going to try to see Blue Velvet and Inland Empire too. That should help me.
- Amani
If you found Mulholland Drive confusing and disturbing (and it is, don't get me wrong), then Inland Empire is going to BLOW YOUR MIND. It's the confusing and disturbing parts of Mulholland Drive dialed up a bunch more notches but without as much narrative structure to hang it on. A lot of people hate it, but I found it immensely compelling.
- Jandy
This is funny, but at the risk of sounding like a prude, it's also a little sad. Reminds me of those nude women mudflaps on 18 wheelers. I just prefer not to be accosted by them visually while driving down the road, and I especially don't like for my daughter to have to see them.
- Friar Will (:^)
I wonder how it looks from the other side...
- Aykın Çakaloz
DO ANYBODY NO? To anyone with a Spotify account: Could you please explain why I would want to use it rather than my default player, last.fm, or Pandora? I don't get it, I don't understand the appeal. How does one use it to discover new music? Does it depend on your friends having similar tastes as you?
I tend to not rush to such judgment just because the technorati are going all in on a new toy. Everyone was all up on Quora and it never took for me personally. I have Spotify, but haven't much used it, and am not sure if I will. YMMV.
- Derrick
I just use the free versions of that sort of thing. Last.fm doesn't always have the song I want available to hear. So far Spotify has had more choices.
- m9m, Crone of FriendFeed
At the moment, I don't know why. I've heard people rave about Spotify repeatedly so I figure there's got to be a reason and I just haven't discovered it yet.
- Spidra Webster
Having used it a couple days, the only real use I've found is to listen to music I didn't have when I wanted to. I was streaming Pandora Classic Hip-Hop earlier today and it was giving all good stuff even though I couldn't control what came next. And Last.fm? Well, I'm still figuring that out but the scrobbling thing is awesome when I'm using iTunes or Google Music Beta. <shrug> How you like your music provided? That's how you decide and more than one can survive because of it.
- caj needs a haircut
The years of press before the US release had me excited. But I have to admit I haven't quite figured it out. The Facebook requirement for discovering friends has turned me off from upgrading to a paid account.
- jbrotherlove
I am more interested in music discovery...music I would actually like, rather than being bombed with the tastes of my friends. I am way off the mainstream path, so what the masses or my friends are listening to is of little interest to me.
- April
For me it's the free (ad-supported) on-demand. I like to listen to full albums rather than radio-style shuffle. I don't think Spotify is going to be nearly as good for discovery or radio-style listening as Pandora or Slacker, but if you're like "gee, I wonder what that new Red Hot Chili Peppers album sounds like all the way through" then Spotify is better. I haven't delved too much into...
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- Jandy
I can understand that April. my "music friends" are such because we aren't incredibly mainstream. the music that is often suggested for me by algorithm tends to be music I already know and/or don't like.
- jbrotherlove
I have found quite a few obscure full albums, many of which are old and from my hometowns former music scene. It's easy to use and the search function works great, no waiting to download etc.
- Key West
@caj When last.fm gets it's issues sorted out and you have more music scrobbled, pop this URL in a podcast downloader and enjoy all the freebies. The more music you play and scrobble, the more free tunes you'll get, based on what you have already listened to. http://ws.audioscrobbler.com/2...
- April
For sure the “Pride and Prejudice” for me … and also maybe “Caged” as well.
- Amani
Caged is really good. I'm not a huge fan of that version of P&P, but it's not bad. It's just glossed up like MGM used to do, which can be fun in its own right.
- Jandy